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weller_tex
09-19-2012, 20:27
I really like the current Heaven Hill J.W. Dant BIB..about $19 for a liter. It has a very nice high-rye bourbon nose and pretty smooth ryed bourbon palate with only a little burn. I know this level of bourbon is not popular here (unless it is a dusty) but does anyone else like it?

tmckenzie
09-20-2012, 04:13
Not unpopular with me. Hard to find a better bourbon for the price on the market. All HH bib's are good values.

ThirstyinOhio
09-20-2012, 04:25
I'd rather drink fighting cock at that price point, but I wouldn't turn down a free pour.

Flyfish
09-20-2012, 05:53
I know this level of bourbon is not popular here (unless it is a dusty) but does anyone else like it?

I don't know what "this level of bourbon is not popular here" means but I'll still take AAA for $19/L. With that said, I agree with tmckenzie that HH does a great job at producing value.

ethangsmith
09-20-2012, 06:02
Yep, I like it too. For a slightly drier profile, try the Old Heaven Hill gold label BIB bourbon.

Young Blacksmith
09-20-2012, 06:09
I don't think I've tried any new production unfortunately. I'll have to remedy that soon.

I did have one DSP-KY-31 distilled and bottled that was horrid, but all the older stuff has been good to great.

White Dog
09-20-2012, 06:51
I think affordable Bourbons are immensely popular here. Do I buy the high-end usual suspects, sure, but I love lots of price points, like OWA, OGD, Old Ezra 7, FC...

And I wish I could get HH BIBs in Wisconsin. The only one available is Old Fitz.:rolleyes:

T Comp
09-20-2012, 07:26
Been about 3 years that I last tasted the current Dant BIB distilled at DSP 1 but thought then it compared favorably to the older DSP 2 and much better than most 80 to 90 proof bottom to mid shelfers. But my recent April/2012 bought bottle of HH BIB (gold label-presumed just 4 years) was quite raw, doggy and disagreeable to me. Also heard continuing unofficial murmurs in Bardstown last weekend that the T.W. Samuels label BIB and the 6 year label HH BIB are becoming history. Brought home a liter of the 6 year HH BIB just in case.

SmoothAmbler
09-20-2012, 19:31
I had some older JW Dant at Tales of the Cocktail this year. I tasted it with many other products, but I remember it being delicious. I was sort of overwhelmed with all of the products I tasted that night, including all sorts of liqueurs and such. But I fondly remember it. I'd like to taste the current stuff.

soonami
09-21-2012, 08:34
Is there a time line to determine the age of a Dant BiB based on DSP numbers? It sits around here in the MidAtlantic, not getting a lot of love, but I had an older bottle, faded yellowing label, don't remember where it was bottled or distilled that I quite enjoyed.

Young Blacksmith
09-21-2012, 15:49
It's bounced around a lot, I know JW Dant was distilled in, from older to newest:

DSP-KY-113
DSP-KY-2
DSP-KY-31
DSP-KY-1

I also know 113 is Buffalo Trace (was it Ancient Age or George T Stagg back then?), Not quiet sure who 2 is, I hear references to Old Charter, and Old Bernheim. Not the same place as new Bernheim operated by HH now?

michaelturtle1
09-21-2012, 15:56
I have a couple 113's can't say I am a huge fan... But I am going to let my open one get some air and try again

Young Blacksmith
09-21-2012, 17:15
The 2 juice is the best in my opinion. See if you can find some distilled 2, bottled 16. It's worth the $5 I pay for 200ml around here.

HighInTheMtns
09-22-2012, 09:07
Based on what I've read I think that DSP-KY-2 is the same location as DSP-KY-1, but the Dant bottles labeled with DSP-KY-2 would have been produced before the modifications Heaven Hill made to the still when they took over.

Josh
09-23-2012, 13:43
It's bounced around a lot, I know JW Dant was distilled in, from older to newest:

DSP-KY-113
DSP-KY-2
DSP-KY-31
DSP-KY-1

I also know 113 is Buffalo Trace (was it Ancient Age or George T Stagg back then?), Not quiet sure who 2 is, I hear references to Old Charter, and Old Bernheim. Not the same place as new Bernheim operated by HH now?


Based on what I've read I think that DSP-KY-2 is the same location as DSP-KY-1, but the Dant bottles labeled with DSP-KY-2 would have been produced before the modifications Heaven Hill made to the still when they took over.

I've probably gotten this muddled, but IIRC "Old Bernheim" dsp #2 refers to the distillery that was on the site of the current Bernheim distillery. It was demolished in 1992 by UD (now Diageo) to build the current Bernheim distillery. There's some information on that on this page: http://www.ellenjaye.com/bernheim.htm. I know they have a page dedicated to old distillery itself but I can't find it now.

fishnbowljoe
09-23-2012, 15:05
I think the current Dant BIB is just okay. IMHO, along with most everyone else's it seems, the dusty/semi-dusty versions are better. I pretty much agree with what Young Blacksmith said. "The 2 juice is the best in my opinion. See if you can find some distilled 2, bottled 16. It's worth the $5 I pay for 200ml around here." Regardless of the version, I think they're all worth at least a shot. I've been fortunate to find a few of all the varieties over the last couple of years. The only one I'd hesitate in purchasing would be the current version. All others I'd buy without a second thought.

HighInTheMtns
09-24-2012, 13:12
I've probably gotten this muddled, but IIRC "Old Bernheim" dsp #2 refers to the distillery that was on the site of the current Bernheim distillery. It was demolished in 1992 by UD (now Diageo) to build the current Bernheim distillery. There's some information on that on this page: http://www.ellenjaye.com/bernheim.htm. I know they have a page dedicated to old distillery itself but I can't find it now.
This makes sense. I couldn't find anything that said for sure, just lots of references to it being the same location. Thanks for the information, that's a cool link.

Josh
09-24-2012, 15:22
This makes sense. I couldn't find anything that said for sure, just lots of references to it being the same location. Thanks for the information, that's a cool link.

You're welcome. Annoying banjo music not withstanding, that's a great site.:cool:

weller_tex
09-27-2012, 13:54
I think the current Dant BIB is just okay. IMHO, along with most everyone else's it seems, the dusty/semi-dusty versions are better. I pretty much agree with what Young Blacksmith said. "The 2 juice is the best in my opinion. See if you can find some distilled 2, bottled 16. It's worth the $5 I pay for 200ml around here." Regardless of the version, I think they're all worth at least a shot. I've been fortunate to find a few of all the varieties over the last couple of years. The only one I'd hesitate in purchasing would be the current version. All others I'd buy without a second thought.
I am certain the dusties are better, but I think the Houston members have pretty much cleaned up in my area. There are some rural areas of Southeast Texas that I might check out some time..but I am a bit concerned that I will find one magical bottle of something old and then of course never be able to get it again.

sailor22
09-27-2012, 16:42
Never been disappointed with an older Dant BiB regardless of where it was distilled. They are all different and all good.
I have an 86 proof 7yr age stated Dant, not BiB so no DSP #'s listed, that says distilled at Gethsemane Ky. What distillery was that?

PaulO
09-29-2012, 17:43
The bottles of Dant BIB that are now dusties really helped get me interested in bourbon years ago. I noticed at some point the color changed. The current stuff is much lighter colored. It is not better, or worse than HH BIB 4 year old. The older stuff was deep red. Nowadays I'd probably spend a few more bucks and get HH 6 year old, or FC.

matthewdc
12-18-2012, 11:41
I just picked up a Dant BIB, looks like from the late 80's, that was distilled DSP-KY-113 (BT) and bottled DSP-KY-16 (SW). May open it up tonight to give it a try.

squire
12-18-2012, 12:35
Gethsemane was the location of the Old Yellowstone and Buffalo Springs distilleries, originally owned by members of the Dant family, who also produced their namesake Bourbon. The whole story of distilling in the area is much larger but that's the short answer.

squire
12-18-2012, 12:42
Dant seems to be getting a little hard to find, whether by design or demand I don't know, but it's worth grabbing a bottle if you haven't tried it.

mosugoji64
12-18-2012, 21:22
I was able to locate several pre-fire HH Dants over the summer and picked one up to give it a try. It has a strong, slightly stale corn oil flavor that really put me off. Had a couple of pours after buying but haven't returned to it. Since then, I've picked up that flavor, to a much lesser degree, in a couple of pre-fire EW bottles. Was this a common flavor in their bourbons back then or did I just find some bad bottles?

squire
12-18-2012, 23:40
Brian I'm reluctant to say any screw top closed Bourbon could be 'spoiled' or 'bad' in the same sense that a cork closed bottle of wine or spirits can be tainted by a bacterial infection of the cork. Somewhat rare but such things do happen.

To Heaven Hill's credit they provide us with better than average bang for buck BIBs but we can't expect the Dant expression we buy today will match the flavor profile of the one we bought ten years ago or the one we'll buy a decade hence.

tmckenzie
12-19-2012, 03:44
The old HH plant did produce bourbon to me that had a strong corn flavor, very distinctive. I liked it myself. More than the new stuff.

Brisko
12-19-2012, 06:58
Tom, have you had the current Cabin Still? It's really corny. It might right up your alley.

threejean
12-19-2012, 18:20
Dant BIB is the bourbon I drink the most. I get it for $16 a liter, and it is, in my very humble opinion, the best bang for the buck out there (Fighting Cock is my number two).

tmckenzie
12-20-2012, 03:48
I have, wrong kind of corny, it is way too thin for me, unless it has gotten better in the last few years.

Brisko
12-20-2012, 06:25
I have, wrong kind of corny, it is way too thin for me, unless it has gotten better in the last few years.
I doubt that it's improved much. Pretty young and hot. Like sucking on corn leaves.

squire
12-20-2012, 07:42
Tom I can assure you it hasn't.

mosugoji64
12-20-2012, 07:43
A friend brought over a bottle of Cabin Still a couple of years ago and we thought it was way too sweet and thin. Good for a mixer, but not much else.

I enjoy the corn flavor I get from current HH bottles, but the old Dant flavor is definitely corn oil and not much fun to drink. I also have a 200mL of DSP-KY-113 Dant that is very good. Nothing like the current stuff. Keeping my eye out for more of that.

p_elliott
12-20-2012, 09:16
I think the current J W Dant BIB taste like cherries.

squire
12-20-2012, 09:30
Black cherries is what I had in mind.

TheNovaMan
03-10-2013, 16:06
I like cherries. Maybe I'll have to try to get my hands on a current Dant BIB...