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Tucker
09-28-2012, 10:39
Passed up a trio of PHC 2012 (already have my share) and a bunch of HW American Prairie Reserve (maybe later).

Passed up a half-dozen WTKS, smooth dark top (bottled '04), and a couple of first-batch Baker's (bottled '92). They've been sitting on the top back shelf of this store for years.

I might regret this later, but I passed on a case of PVW 15 offered to me by local enabler. If I can't flip 'em on eBay, what good are they? [no PMs please, this was purely TIC]

unclebunk
09-28-2012, 11:42
I might regret this later, but I passed on a case of PVW 15 offered to me by local enabler. If I can't flip 'em on eBay, what good are they?

Yikes! You'll have people flying to Georgia just to buy the damned case! Stick 'em in the bunker and bring them to the next KBF. You'll get rid of them, that's for sure.

Kyjd75
09-28-2012, 12:05
ER17 2012. After finding GTS, Saz18 and WLW I just wasn't interested.

Bmac
09-28-2012, 12:19
I passed on 3 dusty Old Fitzgerald 80 proof (750ml). I did buy a few and tasted them when I got home. It's possible they are from 1990 or 91.

petrel800
09-28-2012, 12:25
A couple WT 101s, some EH Taylor Rye, and some Whistle Pig Rye.

Whistle Pig caught my eye, but I've got to save a few bucks, heading to Keeneland next weekend, and I'm sure I'll find some good stuff on the trip through TN, and KY.

Trey Manthey
09-28-2012, 12:45
3x Jefferson's Ocean

I thought about buying them and selling them on eBay for a massive profit, but thanks to the neo-prohibitionist oppressors of human rights around here, I can no longer do this.

michaelturtle1
09-28-2012, 13:35
Ritt 23, Ritt 25 and EC 20

jersey12
09-28-2012, 14:57
3x Jefferson's Ocean

I thought about buying them and selling them on eBay for a massive profit, but thanks to the neo-prohibitionist oppressors of human rights around here, I can no longer do this.

Haha! Love the new profile pic

ChainWhip
09-28-2012, 18:49
3x Jefferson's Ocean

I thought about buying them and selling them on eBay for a massive profit, but thanks to the neo-prohibitionist oppressors of human rights around here, I can no longer do this.

Hilarious!

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sutton
09-30-2012, 18:31
THH @ $99.99 ... why not the extra penny?
(kind of like gas at $3.99 9/10 a gallon ...)

BFerguson
09-30-2012, 20:24
Bourye. probably should have grabbed it, but this has been the second time in the last couple of weeks that i have made a pass on it.

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jersey12
10-01-2012, 09:56
Passed on a few 2010 THH's and some 2009 & 2010 OFBB's this weekend. May go back for one of Handy's but am trying to budget for the 2012 PHC's that I plan to buy

Brisko
10-01-2012, 18:30
Passed on some Wiser's Legacy and Rendezvous Rye the other day. May go back for one or both though.

BFerguson
10-01-2012, 19:18
Get the Legacy, half a bottle in mine, it's a darn good rye!!

Brisko
10-01-2012, 21:11
Legacy is that good, huh? I've not had either.

portwood
10-02-2012, 06:23
Legacy is that good, huh? I've not had either.

As a Canadian I may be biased, but Wiser's Legacy is one of the few HIGH quality sipping Canadian whiskies - and it's not the watery 40% like the vast majority of others (including Forty Creek).

BFerguson
10-02-2012, 19:43
As a Canadian I may be biased, but Wiser's Legacy is one of the few HIGH quality sipping Canadian whiskies - and it's not the watery 40% like the vast majority of others (including Forty Creek).

Any others you would recommend?

Probably for some I wouldn't ever have a opportunity to try, but it's always good to have a reference. Looking forward to opening my FC Confederation Oak some day, probably the only one I will ever have.

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c2walker
10-02-2012, 21:00
I'll get this thread back on track...was browsing SB about 30 minutes ago when I decided to check the store across the street from my parents' house. I was surprised to find a Vintage Rye 23 ($99) and a AH Hirsch 16 Gold Foil ($300), but passed on both. $300 for the gold foil is actually the lowest I've seen it in the wild, but that much money buys an awful lot of bourbon.

portwood
10-03-2012, 07:43
Any others you would recommend?

Probably for some I wouldn't ever have a opportunity to try, but it's always good to have a reference. Looking forward to opening my FC Confederation Oak some day, probably the only one I will ever have.

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Unfortunately, it appears that most (all?) of the small batch/single barrel/limited releases are bottled by American companies and shipped back to Canada (Royal Canadian small batch & Caribou Crossing from Sazerac, Masterson's, Jefferson's, Whistlepig etc). :frown:

From limited experience, of the currently available offerings bottled by the producers:
Alberta Premium, 100% rye, 40%ABV. (If you find a dusty bottle of 25yo or 30yo GRAB IT!!!)
Forty Creek, they are all good. (I'm looking forward to the newly released port wood reserve)
Wiser's (small batch, legacy, 18yo) are all good but the best bang for your buck is the Legacy.
Danfield's 21yo
Crown Royal XR is good but, IMO, not worth the $180Cdn (knock out the 1 and it might be on my shelf)

MyOldKyDram
10-03-2012, 15:21
V17 bourbon
V23 rye
PHC cognac and wheated
Ritt 23
Willett 20 yo bourbon
2011 Handy and Saz
and many others that I can't remember right now.

Tucker
10-03-2012, 17:50
Passed on the EH Taylor rye. First bottle I've seen of it, but not a tough decision when a lone bottle of Sazerac 18 was sitting on the shelf just above it.

White Dog
10-03-2012, 20:19
Passed on multiple bottles of every BTAC, which just hit a certain town in Wisconsin. I'm too busy grabbing all the PHC my wife will allow.

MyOldKyDram
10-05-2012, 14:21
Lots of 2011 Handy
16 yo Black Maple Hill
Yamazaki 18 yo

darylld911
10-06-2012, 17:03
Passed a 2012 Saz Rye 18 as well as a HW Campfire

jcg9779
10-07-2012, 00:01
Passed on a FR 2008 Mariage today. I'll probably pick it up sometime in the future (hopefully).


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HighInTheMtns
10-07-2012, 09:19
"Passed up" isn't really a good description here in Utah, since most everything is the same at every store; however, I was in a store yesterday that still has a WR Double Oaked and a WR New Barrel/Used Barrel Rye set, both of which I've never tried. Anyone have anything to say about either of these? I'm far more likely to pick up the Double Oaked, considering the astronomical price on the Rye.

WAINWRIGHT
10-07-2012, 11:40
PVW 23 and THH and several of the CEHT iterations as well,my budget wears thin as does my wives patience.

petrel800
10-08-2012, 14:51
Passed on some Vintage17 on my trip through KY this weekend. I tried it at a restaurant the night before, a while good, I didn't find it 75 dollar good.

MauiSon
10-08-2012, 17:48
Petrel800, was that the wheater you tried?

luther.r
10-08-2012, 20:46
Passed up the whole BTAC at my local shop. Marked at $99 each, plus our ~10% tax. Couldn't bring myself to pay that.

petrel800
10-08-2012, 21:34
Petrel800, was that the wheater you tried?

Yes, it was the one with the wheat grains on the label, so I believe so. I would hope they didn't put a rye bourbon in a bottle with wheat grains on it. Please forgive my ignorance on the V17, I've read about it here and it was one that I had never had before, so I went ahead and tried it while I had the chance.

Looked like the one in this picture . . . http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1050792

I enjoyed it at dinner, but after everything I bought, I just couldn't bring myself to drop $75 on it. I'm also expecting an order to come in this week, so I'm reluctant to drop more dollars until I know exactly what I'm on the hook for.

I also found a Vintage 23 Rye on my travels, but it was in the $140 range and I wasn't going to drop that on a bottle of bourbon I'd never tried.

RVTsteve
10-08-2012, 22:07
Passed on a RR 25yr, Hirsch 25yr Rye, BMH 16 and PHC Golden Anniversary, all in the $150 - $225 range, JUST a bit outside of my range right now. If I go back for any it would the BMH first and the RR second. For now I'm holding out to scoop up some current tasty releases if I spot any.

Brisko
10-09-2012, 08:40
Yes, it was the one with the wheat grains on the label, so I believe so. I would hope they didn't put a rye bourbon in a bottle with wheat grains on it.

FYI, it's the same line art they use on all of the "Vintage" line; the Vintage Ryes use it too. Visually there's not that much difference between rye and wheat anyway (or barley for that matter), at least not to the point that you could tell them apart on a simple line drawing like that. For what it's worth I think the three ears on the left are wheat and the ones on the right might be rye, but it doesn't really matter. I suppose someone could ask Drew Kulsveen to clarify, he's always been a font of information.:grin:

The reason he asked is there have been two (that we know of) versions of VB17, one wheated and one ryed. I've tasted neither but I imagine they're fairly divergent in profile.

unclebunk
10-09-2012, 08:41
Passed up lots of great bourbon yesterday and regretting not snagging a bottle of Don Julio Anejo that was on sale for $45.

bgageus
10-09-2012, 13:07
GTS, Ritt 25 and 23, WT Tradition, OWA 7, WSR 7

petrel800
10-09-2012, 14:02
FYI, it's the same line art they use on all of the "Vintage" line; the Vintage Ryes use it too. Visually there's not that much difference between rye and wheat anyway (or barley for that matter), at least not to the point that you could tell them apart on a simple line drawing like that. For what it's worth I think the three ears on the left are wheat and the ones on the right might be rye, but it doesn't really matter. I suppose someone could ask Drew Kulsveen to clarify, he's always been a font of information.:grin:

The reason he asked is there have been two (that we know of) versions of VB17, one wheated and one ryed. I've tasted neither but I imagine they're fairly divergent in profile.

Interesting, either way, I do believe it was the wheated one, it certainly did not have the spicy kick of a rye bourbon (the one at the restaurant that I tried).

As for what I passed up, based off of what you wrote, I have no idea which one it was now. Could have been either, I assumed it was the same thing I had at the restaurant.

MauiSon
10-09-2012, 14:04
I hoped, since I have a bottle of the wheater VB17, you could give a first impression description. Was it $55 good? ;) [Yeah, I'm really stuck on valuation - but I'm converting from Scotch partly due to excessive valuations.]

awachatz
10-09-2012, 19:15
I hoped, since I have a bottle of the wheater VB17, you could give a first impression description. Was it $55 good? ;) [Yeah, I'm really stuck on valuation - but I'm converting from Scotch partly due to excessive valuations.]

If you want to quantify it, my personal opinion is it $65 good.

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redbear
10-09-2012, 20:55
JPS 17. $99 unfortunately.

p_elliott
10-10-2012, 09:20
GTS, Ritt 25 and 23, WT Tradition, OWA 7, WSR 7

How much was that WT Tradition ? You may want to reconsider that move Scott (Callmeox) and I popped a cork on one on Wednesday night of the KBF. We drank somewhere between a 1/4 and 1/3 of that bottle that night. That bottle did not make it through the week people liked it that well. Very few bottles get drained at the gazebo just because there are so many when one does it speaks highly of it.

msong
10-10-2012, 15:35
Parker's Heritage Mashbill
THH
Eagle Rare

Willing to share the PH location (have two locations that ship) if anyone has leads on any of the other BATC or PVW 23 that ship :)

BigRich
10-11-2012, 17:35
PHC Cognac, Woodford Rye two pack, and some EC 20 barrel 43.

dohidied
10-12-2012, 11:43
Left behind 2 12 year Wild Turkeys in gold tubes for $100 each.

Special Reserve
10-12-2012, 16:15
Left behind 2 12 year Wild Turkeys in gold tubes for $100 each.

That's some very good bourbon! Is it worth $100? If you have the cash to spend and want to try a legendary bourbon, I say it is.

If you do decide to buy pull them out of the tube first.

Phil T
10-13-2012, 04:31
How much was that WT Tradition ? You may want to reconsider that move Scott (Callmeox) and I popped a cork on one on Wednesday night of the KBF. We drank somewhere between a 1/4 and 1/3 of that bottle that night. That bottle did not make it through the week people liked it that well. Very few bottles get drained at the gazebo just because there are so many when one does it speaks highly of it.

Hey Paul,

I have seen Tradition at a couple different stores. They have it priced at $99.99. I'm a big fan of WTRB and always have a bottle, which I can usually find for around $31. Hence, the reason I've never pulled the trigger on the Tradition at 3 times the price.

I understand YMMV, but is it really that good and worth the money?

p_elliott
10-14-2012, 15:52
Hey Paul,

I have seen Tradition at a couple different stores. They have it priced at $99.99. I'm a big fan of WTRB and always have a bottle, which I can usually find for around $31. Hence, the reason I've never pulled the trigger on the Tradition at 3 times the price.

I understand YMMV, but is it really that good and worth the money?

$99 is a good price as it came out at $120. Just say that if I found a bottle at $99 it would come home with me.

michaelturtle1
10-17-2012, 12:02
Buffalo trace experimentals fromm 2012, 2011 rice and oats, 2010 '95 Oak chip version and 2009 '93 Double barrel
ER17 2010,2011,2012
Ritt 21/23/25

MrAtomic
10-18-2012, 02:00
I was tempted by a 2011 Handy Rye, but couldn't get excited enough to spend $80 for it. Although I like Handy quite a bit, I can't shake the feeling it should be in the $50 range.

sob0728
10-18-2012, 08:42
Hey Paul,

I have seen Tradition at a couple different stores. They have it priced at $99.99. I'm a big fan of WTRB and always have a bottle, which I can usually find for around $31. Hence, the reason I've never pulled the trigger on the Tradition at 3 times the price.

I understand YMMV, but is it really that good and worth the money?

WT Tradition is delicious. Much more velvety and smooth than WTRB, but still has the nice WT profile. My mouth is watering just thinking about it. That being said, $100 is a lot of money, but if you have the budgeted for it, I highly recommend it as well.

Brisko
10-18-2012, 10:30
I was tempted by a 2011 Handy Rye, but couldn't get excited enough to spend $80 for it. Although I like Handy quite a bit, I can't shake the feeling it should be in the $50 range.

I completely agree. When you adjust for proof, with Baby Saz at $30, Handy should be in the $40s.

rutterb
10-18-2012, 13:34
PH congac, THH, 4-roses marriage, 4-roses 2011 single barrel. Also passed on High West 21 year rye and Old Pultney 17 and 21.

ISU_grad
10-18-2012, 18:58
Passed up a lot of things today several THH, Saz 18, FRSB 2011&2012, FRSmB 2011.

p_elliott
10-19-2012, 09:29
Passed up a lot of things today several THH, Saz 18, FRSB 2011&2012, FRSmB 2011.

Travis were these in Iowa?

michaelturtle1
10-19-2012, 12:44
Passed on 20 or so DSP-414 Bonded Old Forester in every bottle size except handles, too many to count ND Old Grand Dad in both 86 proof and Bonded, a case or two of Wild Turkey 8 year, And about 5 or 6 cases of the famous Four Roses Blended Whiskey.. I swear after the apocalypse, the cockroaches will be drinking that stuff

Mickbourbon
10-19-2012, 15:32
Baby Saz and Forty Creek Double Barrel Reserve.

ChainWhip
10-19-2012, 16:02
Passed on 2012 ER17 & THH

p_elliott
10-20-2012, 08:17
Passed on 20 or so DSP-414 Bonded Old Forester in every bottle size except handles, too many to count ND Old Grand Dad in both 86 proof and Bonded, a case or two of Wild Turkey 8 year, And about 5 or 6 cases of the famous Four Roses Blended Whiskey.. I swear after the apocalypse, the cockroaches will be drinking that stuff

I would have gotten the ND OGD and the 8 yr WT but that's just me. I bet you'll be getting some PM's from some people.

michaelturtle1
10-20-2012, 08:52
I have enough ND OGD to last a very long time.. I saw a few 500's of 8 yr WT that I might pickup to give it a try..

HighInTheMtns
10-20-2012, 09:01
I'm with Paul. I'd love to stumble onto some WT 8 year.

berto
10-20-2012, 16:11
Passed on Bourye for $85.

michaelturtle1
10-20-2012, 16:13
Willett 18 year just can't justify $160 on an unknown

HP12
10-20-2012, 17:06
Willett 18 year just can't justify $160 on an unknown

If it's a wheater, it could be a gem. Understand the pass w/o a taste.

WAINWRIGHT
10-20-2012, 20:04
Smooth Ambler Very Old Scout 19yr,V17,PHC 5th,PHC 6th,FR SB LE 2011 and more BTAC than you could shake a stick at.

awachatz
10-20-2012, 20:06
GTS, WLW, THH, and Lot B all $100 over retail.

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michaelturtle1
10-20-2012, 23:06
If it's a wheater, it could be a gem. Understand the pass w/o a taste.

I might stop back and ask as the store selected the barrel

atfree
10-21-2012, 00:30
Passed up, after careful consideration, a High West 21yr Rocky Mtn Rye.

Ejmharris
10-21-2012, 06:42
Passed up, after careful consideration, a High West 21yr Rocky Mtn Rye.

In full disclosure, I have passed on it several times myself but I did get a chance to taste it at a TPS tasting that HW hosted. It was fantastic. It is a on time only Barton rye. If you don't want the full 750 because of cost I believe TPS still has some 375's left. I will kick myself when it is gone.

MyOldKyDram
10-21-2012, 06:47
That good, huh? Been passing one over here for what seems like a very long time. Hrmmm...

michaelturtle1
10-21-2012, 09:53
Hirsch 28 yr $499.99...

BAO
10-21-2012, 19:14
Finally saw the BTEC Large French Oak Barrels, but stupidly passed on them as I thought the store price of $61 per bottle was too expensive. (Most other places are selling BTECs at $60).

Tucker
10-23-2012, 11:49
Got an e-mail from TPS on the 2012 BTAC. $69.99 each. If you wanted a Stagg you had to buy one Stagg and one other bottle from the collection. Considered a Stagg and Weller, but I sneezed and all the Weller was gone. Passed on the Stagg.

jakew
10-23-2012, 12:08
I ordered just one Stagg from there. The email was a little confusing but I was under the impression you could buy one Stagg and one other bottle, or just one BTAC bottle. (So you could do Stagg + WLW but not Saz + WLW). My order is processing so I hope just one Stagg will go through.

Tucker
10-23-2012, 12:28
I ordered just one Stagg from there. The email was a little confusing but I was under the impression you could buy one Stagg and one other bottle, or just one BTAC bottle. (So you could do Stagg + WLW but not Saz + WLW). My order is processing so I hope just one Stagg will go through.

I was confused. You're right. Here's the relevant text...

- A BTAC order may consist of ONE bottle of George T. Stagg, plus your choice of ONE additional BTAC bottle, while supplies last.
- If you do not want any Stagg, you are not required to buy it— however you may still buy only ONE other BTAC bottle of your choice.
- We cannot sell two bottles of the same whiskey, under any circumstances.

jakew
10-23-2012, 12:38
I was confused. You're right. Here's the relevant text...

- A BTAC order may consist of ONE bottle of George T. Stagg, plus your choice of ONE additional BTAC bottle, while supplies last.
- If you do not want any Stagg, you are not required to buy it— however you may still buy only ONE other BTAC bottle of your choice.
- We cannot sell two bottles of the same whiskey, under any circumstances.

I'm still confused by it hah. Guess I'll just have to wait and see if it processes, says it's still under review. By the time I got on everything was sold out except for 50 bottles of Stagg.

petrel800
10-23-2012, 15:11
I was confused. You're right. Here's the relevant text...

- A BTAC order may consist of ONE bottle of George T. Stagg, plus your choice of ONE additional BTAC bottle, while supplies last.
- If you do not want any Stagg, you are not required to buy it— however you may still buy only ONE other BTAC bottle of your choice.
- We cannot sell two bottles of the same whiskey, under any circumstances.

I called them this morning and you're reading it right Stagg plus 1 or just 1. They had a bunch of Stagg and what appeared to be a few cases of everything else.

Ejmharris
10-23-2012, 15:33
It wet fast. I was on within 40 minutes and it was not letting place an order. I already got a Stagg and Saz so not too concerned but not sure I like how they did this rollout.

MyOldKyDram
10-23-2012, 15:47
Was there almost as soon as the email was sent. Still came up empty on a Weller.

LostBottle
10-23-2012, 16:18
Their shipping charges are as retarded as their outdated and borderline non-functional checkout system.

I added a Saz and Stagg to my cart, entered my info, and the Saz went out of stock causing an error - I could not clear the Saz to complete the process. Their system cannot keep the items in my cart through the 1 minute checkout process? Good thing they sell booze and not software.

petrel800
10-23-2012, 16:27
Their shipping charges are as retarded as their outdated and borderline non-functional checkout system. I added a Saz and Stagg to my cart, entered my info, and the Saz went out of stock causing an error - I could not clear the Saz to complete the process. Good thing they sell booze and not software!

I have to respectfully disagree. If you've never ordered from them, the shipping might appear high, but when you see the care they put into assuring your order arrives undamaged you'll probably feel differently. I'd also state that most of the time when you order in bulk the shipping gets down to about 4 to 5 bucks a bottle which is pretty good for anything. TPS is first class, at least their system didn't over process 500 bottles and make them have to disappoint a bunch of customers, and at least they gave everyone a shot at grabbing a few of these hard to find bottles at MSRP, they could have just thrown on a shelf at a huge profit or better yet put names on a list and never call anyone while taking the inventory out the back door for friends and family.

berto
10-23-2012, 17:45
Their shipping charges are as retarded as their outdated and borderline non-functional checkout system.

I added a Saz and Stagg to my cart, entered my info, and the Saz went out of stock causing an error - I could not clear the Saz to complete the process. Their system cannot keep the items in my cart through the 1 minute checkout process? Good thing they sell booze and not software.

I agree. The Weller went "low stock or out of stock" and hung up my shopping cart making it impossible to complete my order with the Stagg and other items I had in my cart. Instead of Stagg plus the other stuff in my cart I bought nothing from TPS today because the Stagg was gone or in the process of being gone by the time the Weller issue went away. The checkout system needs an overhaul. Other merchants have systems that remove the out of stock item and process what's left in the cart. It's 2012, not 1998, checkout should be seamless. Very frustrating. Shipping seems a bit high though the lower prices and lack of tax make it moot.

Old Lamplighter
10-23-2012, 18:39
ER17, Smooth Ambler 6, HW21...all too much $ plus no funds due to BTAC...lol

theglobalguy
10-23-2012, 18:54
JPS 18 @ $85, PHC 2012 @ $89 (love it, already have 2 but was shocked how much stock they had)

BradleyC
10-23-2012, 22:20
Their shipping charges are as retarded as their outdated and borderline non-functional checkout system.

I added a Saz and Stagg to my cart, entered my info, and the Saz went out of stock causing an error - I could not clear the Saz to complete the process. Their system cannot keep the items in my cart through the 1 minute checkout process? Good thing they sell booze and not software.

I'm going to have to defend the Partysource here. They are only 1 of 2 stores that I know of that offered BTAC on their websites. I was lucky enough to grab a Stagg as soon as the email went out also. I tried to add a Weller but noticed that had sold out as well as the Sazerac 18. Having been caught with the slow to checkout process with the other store I hurried through and got lucky.

There were 77 bottles of Stagg when I put mine into the cart. I looked back within 5 minutes and they were all gone.

I don't expect any retailer who is kind enough to offer these items online to invest in the Ticketmaster style systems to handle the traffic. It isn't a reasonable expectation given the high volume they have on these items once a year due to the limited supply and increased demand. I am thankful to PS for offering these online but am a bit surprised at the same time.

I'm afraid this in combination with the other store's online fiasco I witnessed along with K&l's policy for this year and everyone else's:

Demand is up for the BTAC, VW and all other high end releases.

MyOldKyDram
10-24-2012, 10:18
Lil stash of WT 101 rye.

Big stash 4R 2012 LE SmB.

The day is young.

Halifax
10-25-2012, 11:31
I passed up BTEC Oats & Rice bottles yesterday. Was surprised to see them sitting on a NC-ABC shelf though.

CaptainQ
10-25-2012, 11:59
Came across a few bottles of Hirsch Selection 20 year old American Whiskey. At $81.99 each I left them all on the shelf.

c2walker
10-25-2012, 12:14
I passed up BTEC Oats & Rice bottles yesterday. Was surprised to see them sitting on a NC-ABC shelf though.

They're all over my part of town. I encouraged the local ABC board to start bringing in more of the limited releases....it backfired.

gcsjr
10-25-2012, 12:36
3 Bottles of Old Heaven Hill BIB (1L) , and 1 bottle of VOB BIB (750mL). That's what's left at Dicortes in Waco. Wish I had bought it all. I did get 1 OHH and two VOB. Kicking myself now that I've tasted both....

Halifax
10-25-2012, 13:55
They're all over my part of town. I encouraged the local ABC board to start bringing in more of the limited releases....it backfired.

LOL... Well I'm sure BT is happy with it. Those bottles will make nice dusty finds for some bourbon newbie in about 10 years. Go back and sell your local board on bringing in some FR limited editions! Oh... and I noticed a lot of crap rye on your shelves too.

Trey Manthey
10-25-2012, 15:04
Passed on deep shelves of all the 2012 BTAC. At $90 each, I thought I would wait until I found it somewhere a tad more reasonable.

smokinjoe
10-25-2012, 15:39
Hmmmm....
Maybe it's me, but there seems to be a wide range of BTAC availability. On the shelves, no less.
What event could have happened recently that one might attribute this to....?
Hmmmm....

tanstaafl2
10-25-2012, 16:27
Hmmmm....
Maybe it's me, but there seems to be a wide range of BTAC availability. On the shelves, no less.
What event could have happened recently that one might attribute this to....?
Hmmmm....

No such shelf availability in Atlanta as best I can tell. I made the rounds of four different stores yesterday and came up empty, especially for Stagg and Weller, so I picked up the FR 2012 LE SmB instead.

Perhaps I am not going to the right places or schmoozing the right people but I have been able to get on the all important lists in the past. This year they all say they barely got any to begin with. I did see a couple of THH a week or two ago that I picked up (thinking they were 2011's at the time) but that seems to be more common.

CaptainQ
10-25-2012, 17:10
Hmmmm....
Maybe it's me, but there seems to be a wide range of BTAC availability. On the shelves, no less.
What event could have happened recently that one might attribute this to....?
Hmmmm....

Don't think so. TPS sold out all their bottles in 90 seconds, faster than the Spring VW release. A retailer near me told their entire allotment in 15 minutes without an announcement.

smokinjoe
10-25-2012, 17:31
I don't know guys, I'm reading on these boards about a lot of people picking up BTACs on the shelf. More than I can remember from previous years...Even, in Pennsylvania, for Pete's Sake...

Listen, I ain't saying we're drowning in it. And, I know this is fodder for anyone who hasn't scored one yet to say "not true!". But, it just seems there is a wide range of folks, from a wide range of states, pickin' 'em up.

And, Utah!! ;)

ThomasH
10-25-2012, 17:55
Ohio got a bigger supply too, especially Stagg!

Thomas

HighInTheMtns
10-25-2012, 18:06
And, Utah!! ;)
This made me literally LOL. :toast:

benpearson
10-25-2012, 20:13
Passed up PVW 23 because the store was selling for $399. Scored 12yr & 20yr and all BTAC!!! Paid to much, but couldn't pass the rest up.

T Comp
10-25-2012, 20:58
I don't know guys, I'm reading on these boards about a lot of people picking up BTACs on the shelf. More than I can remember from previous years...Even, in Pennsylvania, for Pete's Sake...

Listen, I ain't saying we're drowning in it. And, I know this is fodder for anyone who hasn't scored one yet to say "not true!". But, it just seems there is a wide range of folks, from a wide range of states, pickin' 'em up.

And, Utah!! ;)


Ohio got a bigger supply too, especially Stagg!

Thomas

From the BTAC fact sheets here are the number of barrels for this year and 2011, which of course doesn't tell us the yield of bottles from each barrel (and how do they figure barrels on the Saz 18?) but not much variation.

Stagg-118 for 2012 and 124 for 2011
Weller-49 for 2012 and 45 for 2011
Handy-47 for 2012 and 41 for 2011
Sazerac-28 for 2012 and 28 for 2011
Eagle Rare-23 for 2012 and 24 for 2011

They vanished (mostly without making the shelf) as quick as ever here...nothing like the old days of even just 2 years ago where a few Staggs or Wellers did linger :grin: .

Brisko
10-26-2012, 12:48
Based on the their stated loss percentages and the bottle proofs, someone mathematically inclined ought to be able to figure out roughly how many bottles that amounts to. I am not a math person, at least not on a Friday...

I'm always surprised by the high numbers for Stagg, as it's the only one I've never seen in the wild around here.

luther.r
10-26-2012, 13:08
Based on the their stated loss percentages and the bottle proofs, someone mathematically inclined ought to be able to figure out roughly how many bottles that amounts to. I am not a math person, at least not on a Friday...

I'm always surprised by the high numbers for Stagg, as it's the only one I've never seen in the wild around here.

Here's what I'm getting:

2012 Stagg: 10,962 bottles
2012 WLW: 4266 bottles
2012 Handy: 6581 bottles

I didn't do the other two because they're not barrel proof and we don't know what the proof was before dilution.

AaronWF
10-26-2012, 13:16
Came across a few bottles of Hirsch Selection 20 year old American Whiskey. At $81.99 each I left them all on the shelf.

I was offered a bottle of 28 year old Hirsch Selection Bourbon for $300. It had just been returned (I did not know liquor stores take returns...). The clerk tried to sell it based on the fact that Pappy 23 goes for $250, so for only $50 more I was getting another 5 years in wood. I know I tasted some very aged Hirsch Selection bourbon a few years ago that was some of the blandest, most overly-wooded whiskey I've ever had; not sure if it was from this bottling, but I told the clerk that if he was going to drink it he should watch out for splinters on his tongue.

Brisko
10-26-2012, 13:29
Nice. Even with the 90 proofers, we could probably make an educated guess based on the known entry proof and the percentage of loss, though I suppose we can't assume that a given rate of loss would equal a constant rise in proof... yet again, more math than I'm willing to attempt.

jersey12
10-26-2012, 14:33
Here's what I'm getting:

2012 Stagg: 10,962 bottles
2012 WLW: 4266 bottles
2012 Handy: 6581 bottles

I didn't do the other two because they're not barrel proof and we don't know what the proof was before dilution.

I was looking into the bottle calculations and came up with some different results. Please correct me if there's something I'm doing incorrectly.

2012 Stagg: 14,481 bottles ((118 barrels x 53 gallons)x (1-0.5369 for evaporation loss) x 5 for # of bottles per gallon
2012 WLW: 5,634 bottles. 0.566 for evaporation
2012 Handy: 8,689 bottles. 0.3023 for evaporation

HighInTheMtns
10-26-2012, 14:35
750 ml is not a fifth of a gallon. It's close, but over that many gallons it makes a difference.

jersey12
10-26-2012, 14:57
750 ml is not a fifth of a gallon. It's close, but over that many gallons it makes a difference.

You're correct. Revised calcs below using .198129 for 750ml expressed in gallons.

Stagg: 14,617
WLW: 5,688
Handy: 8,771

Maybe I'll give the 90 providers a go this weekend if anybody cares.

T Comp
10-26-2012, 19:11
Here's what I'm getting:

2012 Stagg: 10,962 bottles
2012 WLW: 4266 bottles
2012 Handy: 6581 bottles

I didn't do the other two because they're not barrel proof and we don't know what the proof was before dilution.


You're correct. Revised calcs below using .198129 for 750ml expressed in gallons.

Stagg: 14,617
WLW: 5,688
Handy: 8,771

Maybe I'll give the 90 providers a go this weekend if anybody cares.

I'm impressed Gentleman. It was difficult enough for me to export the barrel numbers over correctly from the fact sheets :grin:. So who's more correct and based on evaporation loss is there much of any bottle difference between 2012 and 2011?

ChainWhip
10-26-2012, 23:34
Passed up a PHC 6 batch 2 today

unclebunk
10-27-2012, 06:14
Jefferson's Straight Rye Whiskey had to be left behind when I went on my latest whiskey run yesterday. Maybe next time.

luther.r
10-27-2012, 06:44
You're correct. Revised calcs below using .198129 for 750ml expressed in gallons.

Stagg: 14,617
WLW: 5,688
Handy: 8,771



Ah, I forgot to convert to 750ml, so my figures are in liters. Yours are correct!

z327
10-27-2012, 07:14
Left 4 bottles of THR in Baltimore on sale for $59 made it hard to do but luggage was near the legal limit. Bought 3 plus a GTS. Shipped the GTS and carried the Rye's in my luggage.

clingman71
10-27-2012, 08:03
Passed up 4R SB '11 LE & 100th, couldn't find SB '12 LE. Passed up 1993 BTEC rediscovered, have yet to see "large barrels". The 1993s are a possibility as I really liked the 1991.

c2walker
10-27-2012, 10:34
Passed up 4R SB '11 LE & 100th, couldn't find SB '12 LE. Passed up 1993 BTEC rediscovered, have yet to see "large barrels". The 1993s are a possibility as I really liked the 1991.

FWIW I prefer the 1993 to the 1991 rediscovered.

theglobalguy
10-27-2012, 10:59
THH 2012 @$80 and PHC 2012 @$89 at a really small shop. Was frankly stunned they had either. Stopped in on a whim.

portwood
10-27-2012, 13:15
Mastersons 10yo straight rye.
No way I'm paying $110 for a bottle that would sell for <$50 if it were packaged where the whisky was distilled and aged - in CANADA.

WAINWRIGHT
10-27-2012, 13:54
I would definitely second this,of the'89,'91 and '93 releases of the BTEC.The '89 being the worst and the '93 being the best.

atfree
10-27-2012, 17:23
A WT Tradition at $100, and a couple of Elijah Craig 20yr bottles for $120.

savagehenry
10-27-2012, 19:09
PVW 23 - $550
VWFRR - $360
ORVW 10/107 - $170
V23 Rye - $110

c2walker
10-27-2012, 19:29
PVW 23 - $550
VWFRR - $360
ORVW 10/107 - $170
V23 Rye - $110

Not an awful price on the V23.

savagehenry
10-27-2012, 19:33
Not an awful price on the V23.

I thought it was reasonable. I will be returning without the wife. I walked out of there with a WTRR 10 from 2006 so I wasn't going to push my luck. The V23 has been sitting there for a few years so I'm going to bet it will be safe until Monday.

oke&coke
10-27-2012, 20:04
I thought it was reasonable. I will be returning without the wife. I walked out of there with a WTRR 10 from 2006 so I wasn't going to push my luck. The V23 has been sitting there for a few years so I'm going to bet it will be safe until Monday.

I would believe so. I saw two bottles sit on the shelf for about a month here at $65 before I snagged them.

Phil T
10-27-2012, 20:33
Not an awful price on the V23.

Yea, but the other 3 are laughable

savagehenry
10-27-2012, 21:21
Yea, but the other 3 are laughable

Seriously. The guy with the VWFRR & the ORVW 10 said he had just sold a PVW 20 for $600. Only in Del Mar. I'm thinking of going in there with my bottle of PVW 20 or 23 and seeing if he'd trade the VWFRR & ORVW 10 for one of my PVW's.

Tico
10-27-2012, 21:39
Seriously. The guy with the VWFRR & the ORVW 10 said he had just sold a PVW 20 for $600. Only in Del Mar. I'm thinking of going in there with my bottle of PVW 20 or 23 and seeing if he'd trade the VWFRR & ORVW 10 for one of my PVW's.
I like your thinking, go for it!

Get the VWFRR out of that greedy bastards hands!

michaelturtle1
10-28-2012, 13:20
Passed on full shelves of BTAC and another PHC Cognac, which has shown up now in 2 local stores

portwood
10-28-2012, 13:44
I don't get it :confused:

Some people come on here and claim to be passing full shelves of BTAC, at the same time, I keep hearing that BTAC bottles are impossible to get - strict allocations, stores get one bottle of each, waiting lists hundreds deep, yada yada yada.

At the risk of :deadhorse: can someone help a newb understand the BTAC hype?

michaelturtle1
10-28-2012, 13:50
Timing and location are the keys, one of my local stores sold out in 15 minutes and another hasn't sold a bottle until I bought 2 saz18s.. All the stores were allocated 3 bottles of each so it really isn't hard for the stores to sell out quickly.

jersey12
10-28-2012, 17:27
Some places haven't even gotten their BTAC yet. I haven't heard of any NYC stores getting it in yet.

sob0728
10-30-2012, 11:47
Minnesota is not getting BTAC/Pappy for 2 more weeks but apparently Wisconsin has already gotten their allocation. It just seems totally random.

z327
10-30-2012, 12:33
Passed up WLW, Saz 18, GTS and TH. not by choice I didn't have enough points with Specs to get one so picked up the ER17.

qman22
10-30-2012, 12:58
Everything! Went to the state liquor store at lunch and it was closed due to Sandy. Even though we in the southwest part of PA didn't get hit very hard the state closed all the stores. Another reason the state controlled liquor bureaucracy sucks

MyOldKyDram
10-31-2012, 14:33
Woodford Masters Collection Four Wood at nearly $100.

jkater1
10-31-2012, 18:40
Passed on a PHC 12 @ $100, seem like the same store gets it in my area and charges that same price, couldn't pull the trigger for that price.

portwood
10-31-2012, 18:47
Hudson baby bourbon whiskey and Hudson manhattan rye whiskey
75 bucks for a 375 ml bottle :slappin:

awachatz
11-01-2012, 17:30
Passed on a PHC 12 @ $100, seem like the same store gets it in my area and charges that same price, couldn't pull the trigger for that price.

That has been what most stores are charging here in Michigan.

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atfree
11-01-2012, 22:23
I passed up 2 of the 1984 Beam political party sealed computer decanters for ~ $50 each.

Tony
11-02-2012, 10:29
One place I passed on a PHC 2012 at $119.

Then get this, this is funny a Pappy 15 at $249, crazy.

Best regards, Tony

p_elliott
11-02-2012, 10:38
One place I passed on a PHC 2012 at $119.

Then get this, this is funny a Pappy 15 at $249, crazy.

Best regards, Tony


Tony

Did you confront them on the price?

Tony
11-02-2012, 11:22
Tony

Did you confront them on the price?

I did actually. I go in there from time to time so felt ok talking to him about it.

He said he had to buy $4000 worth of Buffalo Trace product to get the Pappy so was charging extra to make up for what he had to spend on product that is going to take him a while to sell. I said I understand that he could charge what he wanted but it seemed like a lot. He said that he only adds about $100 to a bottle(which is way to much to me). I pointed out that the 15 yo is supposed to be 79.99 and that he was getting a lot more than a $100 more and he said he had people willing to pay it. More power to him I guess but I guess this confirms why I do not give him that much business.

Best regards, Tony

rutterb
11-02-2012, 13:24
The last two days I have passed on V17, 4R LE Small Batch 2011 and 2009, 2012 GTS and WLW

AaronWF
11-02-2012, 22:45
Passed up some Jim Beam white yesterday. I was just like, "Bitch! Why?"

jkater1
11-03-2012, 10:35
Were you anywhere near Gratiot and 29 mile? I've had similar experiences near there.

SMOWK
11-03-2012, 14:39
...but I told the clerk that if he was going to drink it he should watch out for splinters on his tongue.

Mmmmm...splinters on my tongue...

Tony
11-03-2012, 15:08
Were you anywhere near Gratiot and 29 mile? I've had similar experiences near there.

Not sure if you were asking me, I was in a shop in Novi.

Best regards, Tony

jkater1
11-03-2012, 15:41
Not sure if you were asking me, I was in a shop in Novi.

Best regards, Tony

I was not sure why the quote didn't pull up. I'm seeing a lot more of people having a surcharge this year. I think the closest thin that I've got to state minimum was $10 over on some GTS.

jkater1
11-03-2012, 16:30
That has been what most stores are charging here in Michigan.

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

I was thinking state min was still $80 on them, didn't realize it jumped to $90. Will probably go back.

savagehenry
11-03-2012, 17:21
AH Hirsch 16 Year with the gold foil. I was shocked to see this. Should I go back for it?

c2walker
11-03-2012, 20:22
AH Hirsch 16 Year with the gold foil. I was shocked to see this. Should I go back for it?

Depends on the price.

savagehenry
11-03-2012, 20:54
For $290 I think I will have to pass. I can get 4 Staggs for that.

c2walker
11-03-2012, 21:23
For $290 I think I will have to pass. I can get 4 Staggs for that.

I've passed on plenty of Hirsch 16 for that price...some recently in SoCal (maybe even the same bottle). I don't blame you.

SMOWK
11-03-2012, 21:32
Passed on all of the BTACs for $75/bottle.

jkater1
11-04-2012, 07:44
Passed on all of the BTACs for $75/bottle.

Thats a deal where I'm from.

Kalessin
11-04-2012, 21:02
FRSmBLE @ $71
FR1BLE 2012 @ $71
PHC 2012 @ $85
High West 16yr Rye @ $99/750

Massachusetts seems to cost about 5% more than average states. I want to try all of these bottles, but I could only afford $22 for a liter of OGDBiB, and that was bought for a gift.

RVTsteve
11-04-2012, 21:06
Those FRLE bottlings run upwards of $80-$90 here in California, I'd jump on a bottle at that price.

c2walker
11-04-2012, 21:06
FRSmBLE @ $71
FR1BLE 2012 @ $71
PHC 2012 @ $85
High West 16yr Rye @ $99/750

Massachusetts seems to cost about 5% more than average states. I want to try all of these bottles, but I could only afford $22 for a liter of OGDBiB, and that was bought for a gift.

That's a good price on the Four Roses, but high on the other two. Save up and get that LE Small Batch!

tanstaafl2
11-05-2012, 14:58
Wandering through one of my usual stores as I was curiuos to see if the second dump of PHC was in town. Didn't see any but they still had the first round on the shelf for $79.99. Had plenty so I moved on.

Also saw several more of the BTEC 19yo Giant French Oak Barrel at $57.88 (seemed a bit much for a 375ml), CEHT Rye at $69.99 and a bit surprised to see a fair amount of FR 2012 LE SB for 75.99.

But for now I passed on them since I already have one or more of them all.

Mickbourbon
11-05-2012, 16:56
2011 ER17 hoping to get the 2012.

RVTsteve
11-07-2012, 15:44
Passed on a WTAS($92) and Tradition ($121) plus a PHC GA($150) and 27yr ($205).

I'm on a purchasing freeze, unless I see a WLW or Van Winkle release, but I'm not sure I would get any of these any way, not at these prices.

peb
11-08-2012, 05:39
Passed up full shelves of Four Roses LE Single Barrel and Small Batch (both 2012). I have a bottle of the Small Batch open and it is terrific.

I am a little hesitant to jump on the Single Barrel. The only LE SB I have tried was last year's and I really struggled to enjoy it. Too much of a medicinal cherry (cough syrup?) taste to it. The nose on it was fantastic however. Maybe I can work up the courage to try to this year's...

Ejmharris
11-08-2012, 09:01
Passed up full shelves of Four Roses LE Single Barrel and Small Batch (both 2012). I have a bottle of the Small Batch open and it is terrific.

I am a little hesitant to jump on the Single Barrel. The only LE SB I have tried was last year's and I really struggled to enjoy it. Too much of a medicinal cherry (cough syrup?) taste to it. The nose on it was fantastic however. Maybe I can work up the courage to try to this year's...

Don't judge this years or other years by the 2011 release. The 2012 has date showed itself to be far superior.

MyOldKyDram
11-08-2012, 15:51
Yeah, the 2012 1B is really good. But me? I'd grab another SmB instead. :)

Ejmharris
11-08-2012, 18:17
EH Talyor rye, small batch, single barrel & barrel proof. The rye was marked $59 down from $69 a couple of weeks ago. They did have the small batch at $69 though.

A couple of EC18's and still a ton Ritt BIB on the shelf. I did see one interesting thing though. It was a new Holland bourbon beer barrel age barrel. I guess agin beer in bourbon barrels was a hit so why not try the inverse. I won't be a buyer but had to laugh at the idea. It did not have a price marked and I didn't ask. I would assume it is young LDI finished in their stout barrels.

Ejmharris
11-09-2012, 15:09
Passed up about a case of WTR101 today. I have 4 or 5 bunkered so didn't want to pay $25 each.

Young Blacksmith
11-13-2012, 18:22
Found out one of my local chains (Fat Dog) has been bought by Spec's, one of the larger chain outfits here in Texas. This bodes well I believe for my neck of the woods, as their bourbon selection in said store has greatly expanded. Unfortunately all they had extra today were some bottom shelf HH (a six year, 80 proof Tom Moore knock off stood out the most) and KBD brands, like Rowan's Creek, Kentucky XO, and some Willet 5 year rye. I was tempted by the Willet, but decided not to pull the trigger today.

petrel800
11-14-2012, 11:57
Passed on a High West 21 yr old rye and a bottle of 2011 THH. Both were priced around there typical MSRP, just didn't feel like parting with the coin for them today.

scratchline
11-15-2012, 14:32
Finally saw some Van Winkle in NYC today. The 20 yr for 140 bucks. Passed.

-Mike

Lazer
11-15-2012, 21:50
campfire
jefferson's 10yr rye $37 (maybe I should not have passed)
mckenzie bourbon and rye
EC20
a lot of knob creeks.

jsVA
11-15-2012, 22:15
Finally saw some Van Winkle in NYC today. The 20 yr for 140 bucks. Passed.

-Mike

Where in NYC did you see it?

p_elliott
11-16-2012, 09:15
Hey Paul,

I have seen Tradition at a couple different stores. They have it priced at $99.99. I'm a big fan of WTRB and always have a bottle, which I can usually find for around $31. Hence, the reason I've never pulled the trigger on the Tradition at 3 times the price.

I understand YMMV, but is it really that good and worth the money?


$99 is a good price as it came out at $120. Just say that if I found a bottle at $99 it would come home with me.

Just to put my money where my mouth is Binny's had Tradition at $99.99 at the get together this weekend. I did as I said I would a bottle came home with me as it did 2 or 3 other guys.

That makes 2 I have.

scratchline
11-16-2012, 09:23
Where in NYC did you see it?

Little shop up north in Inwood. I don't know if it's the current allocation or was on the shelf for a while. I'm sure the only reason it's still there is because it's off the beaten path. The feeding frenzy for the limited releases has taken the fun out of finding and picking them up. Not to mention jacking the prices beyond any sensible level. Thankfully the bunker is fully stocked with preciouses so there are no must-haves out there. And if something happens along at a reasonable price, it can be grabbed.

-Mike

Rockefeller
11-16-2012, 10:33
Where in NYC did you see it?

1) Classic question.

2) $140 is a really REALLY good price ... especially for NYC. The MSRP that the distillery gave out is $129.99! You're only getting a $10 markup in NYC. That's ridiculously good.

scratchline
11-16-2012, 11:04
I had no idea that the MSRP had gone so high. The last time I bought a bottle it was around 60 bucks somewhere in the mid-west. Guess it's been a long time.

Rockefeller
11-16-2012, 11:11
I had no idea that the MSRP had gone so high. The last time I bought a bottle it was around 60 bucks somewhere in the mid-west. Guess it's been a long time.

WOW!!! $60 must have been a long time ago. Go back to the store and grab the bottle! (probably sold already)

Current suggested retail prices are as follows:
$39.99 - Old Rip Van Winkle Handmade Bourbon 10 Year Old 107 proof
$54.99 - Van Winkle Special Reserve Bourbon 12 Year Old
$69.99 - Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye Whiskey 13 Year Old
$79.99 - Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve Bourbon 15 Year Old
$129.99 - Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve Bourbon 20 Year Old
$249.99 - Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve Bourbon 23 Year Old

unclebunk
11-16-2012, 11:33
I keep seeing this bottle of single malt at Sam's Club called Glen Taite which purports to be a 19 year old whisky distilled by Macallan that is bottled by Alexander Murray and Co. of Broxburn, Scotland. The price has decreased over a year or more from $100+ to $62 and my trigger finger is getting itchy but I'm reluctant to drop that kind of dough and be disappointed. (That $62 goes a long way towards replacing the HP18 we recently knocked off and I can't live without.) Any thoughts?

Vosgar
11-16-2012, 16:38
Just to put my money where my mouth is Binny's had Tradition at $99.99 at the get together this weekend. I did as I said I would a bottle came home with me as it did 2 or 3 other guys.


I'm one of those "other guys" and have to admit I thought about buying 2 of them

callmeox
11-16-2012, 16:45
I'm one of those "other guys" and have to admit I thought about buying 2 of them

Did I tell you what I paid for mine on clearance in Pennsylvania? :p

LostBottle
11-16-2012, 17:24
Passed up Pappy today. I just don't think the new 15 is worth $100, nor the 20 worth $160.

WAINWRIGHT
11-16-2012, 17:31
I'm one of those "other guys" and have to admit I thought about buying 2 of them


Did I tell you what I paid for mine on clearance in Pennsylvania? :p
I thought about buying two as well.Scott you did tell us the helluva buy you got on your bottles,as I hang my head in shame.:banghead:

c2walker
11-16-2012, 17:47
Passed up Pappy today. I just don't think the new 15 is worth $100, nor the 20 worth $160.

Those new WA taxes are killer (and I agree with you...you have to a draw a line somewhere).

jeanraulmitchell
11-16-2012, 18:59
4r sm btch LE $99 @ Wally's Wines

gblick
11-16-2012, 23:53
I left my name/number with a merchant over a year ago, to call me if he got any VW. He called me out of the blue today and told me he had some ORVW 10/107 and Lot B. After he told me the price of the 10/107 ($69.99), I politely told him it was too much for me but I really appreciated that he called me. Didn't even get the price of the Lot B, as I was more interested in the 10/107. That's just crazy the way the prices are going these days, a real shame.

z327
11-17-2012, 17:43
GTS at $104I've got a bottle just across the hiway 5 minutes early for $75.

atfree
11-18-2012, 04:03
Hirsch 21yr Rye for $140 and Angel's Envy Cask Strength for around $175. This same store also had a lot of the 4RSB LE 2012 release, 3 bottles of 4RSmB LE 2012, and some PHC 2012, but I already have backups of all of these.

Tony
11-18-2012, 05:47
Hirsch 21yr Rye for $140 and Angel's Envy Cask Strength for around $175. This same store also had a lot of the 4RSB LE 2012 release, 3 bottles of 4RSmB LE 2012, and some PHC 2012, but I already have backups of all of these.

I wish I lived in Kentucky and had this kind of selection. Although I would be very poor.

Best regards, Tony

jakew
11-18-2012, 09:00
I actually found some BTAC on the shelves for the first time (at a place no more than 100 feet out my front door). They wanted $110 for Stagg and $125 for THH so I passed on them both.

Old Lamplighter
11-18-2012, 14:00
Had a tip late yesterday on one last GTS '12 that might be left in my general area. Called the store and clerk said he still had one...but, in his words, "you better get over here as quick as possible...I don't know how long it will be here". I replied, "OK and BTW, how much is it?" He replied back, "oh it's $95-100 + tax". I politely said "thanks, but no thanks" and hung up. Now, if I had not already acquired 2, I might have given it a more prolonged period of thought because I have seen on the Forum where others have run into north of $100 for BTAC this year. However, my better judgment quickly overtook my generally bourbon-weak flesh and passed on it. If this is where it is headed in the future, I may very well have bought some of my last BTAC not only this year, but ever.

Phil T
11-19-2012, 17:19
I spent some time in the northern Indy area Saturday. I was hoping to find some BTAC or VW's. No VW's, I did see a couple bottles of Handy , but at $83.49, I passed. Also:

Rittenhouse 25yr $179.99
HW 21yr $129.99
PHC '12 $89.99, I know it gets much love, but I'm not in love
Did not see any of the FR's LE '12, couldn't believe that

jkater1
11-19-2012, 17:40
Passed up a PVW 20 @ $160 today, was a tough call, but passed.

ILLfarmboy
11-20-2012, 13:05
32 dollars for Bernheim Wheat. This is one of the very few times I've seen it on a store shelf around here, but after spending so much on Thanksgiving groceries, I just couldn't pull the trigger.

jkater1
11-20-2012, 19:21
Passed on a PVW 20 @ $250 and a VWFRR @ $80 at the same store, kind of surprised on the small mark up on the rye when the 20 year was double the minimum.

LikeItWasSodaPop
11-20-2012, 22:04
Passed on a PVW 20 @ $250 and a VWFRR @ $80 at the same store, kind of surprised on the small mark up on the rye when the 20 year was double the minimum.

Consult your physician. Passing on VWFRR under any circumstances means there might be something wrong with you requiring immediate medical attention.

All snarking aside, if I saw VWFRR for $80 I'd still consider it a bargain. $250 for 20 year BT juice is crazy, though.

LostBottle
11-20-2012, 22:09
Passed on a.......and a VWFRR @ $80.....

That was a mistake you may never get the chance to make again.

HighInTheMtns
11-20-2012, 22:24
That was a mistake you may never get the chance to make again.
Fortunately there are plenty of other ways to get lots of good whiskey for that $80... ok decision either way, as long as it ends up with a new bottle or two, right? :D

CaptainQ
11-20-2012, 22:30
Fortunately there are plenty of other ways to get lots of good whiskey for that $80... ok decision either way, as long as it ends up with a new bottle or two, right? :D

No, you never leave a VW rye, even for $80. That was a mistake, go back and get it!

LostBottle
11-20-2012, 22:31
Fortunately there are plenty of other ways to get lots of good whiskey for that $80... ok decision either way, as long as it ends up with a new bottle or two, right? :D

Yes, there are many good whiskeys to be had for $80. Taste is subjective and some people don't care for ryes that much. Last year I left a few bottles of WLW on the shelf at $70-$75 - a move many SBers would have backhanded me for. That said, I would trade vital organs for VWFRR!

jkater1
11-21-2012, 05:40
Consult your physician. Passing on VWFRR under any circumstances means there might be something wrong with you requiring immediate medical attention.

All snarking aside, if I saw VWFRR for $80 I'd still consider it a bargain. $250 for 20 year BT juice is crazy, though.

It wasn't a bad price, I bought 3 so far this year, that's the reason I passed.

jkater1
11-21-2012, 10:56
That was a mistake you may never get the chance to make again.

Maybe, maybe not, got a total of 7 in the bunker so I'm set for awhile.




Fortunately there are plenty of other ways to get lots of good whiskey for that $80... ok decision either way, as long as it ends up with a new bottle or two, right? :D

The money is going towards 2 bottles to be exact, and I think people will understand when I post what they are.

BAO
11-21-2012, 11:23
Saw Woodford Reserve Four Wood for $75 at Costco. Seen it elsewhere for $100.

petrel800
11-21-2012, 14:50
Friend just texted me, asked if I wanted some Pappy he came across on his travels to Ashville, NC. $120 for a 12 year, $289 for a 20 year. I said thanks but no thanks . . . he passed as well.

c2walker
11-21-2012, 15:59
Friend just texted me, asked if I wanted some Pappy he came across on his travels to Ashville, NC. $120 for a 12 year, $289 for a 20 year. I said thanks but no thanks . . . he passed as well.

Something isn't right here. NC ABC has set prices across the board and those aren't the prices.

petrel800
11-21-2012, 16:14
Something isn't right here. NC ABC has set prices across the board and those aren't the prices.

He was in SC when he stopped. Greenville area . . . just got that info via text.

MyOldKyDram
11-21-2012, 16:43
Half a dozen Angels Envy CS.

jakew
11-21-2012, 17:06
Just saw some Pappy on the shelf. They had Lot B, 15, and 20 for $110, $140, and $230. As soon as I saw the prices I knew they weren't coming home with me.

Lazer
11-21-2012, 21:18
FR 2012 LE Single Barrel for.... $150. !?!?!?!?:bigeyes:

WAINWRIGHT
11-21-2012, 21:34
ER17,THH,CEHT SB and BP,all at good prices just not what I was looking for.:grin:

Old Lamplighter
11-21-2012, 23:40
EC18 for umpteenth time. Shelves still full, maybe pull trigger when it's more scarce around here. When $50 will buy a pvt bbl FRSB OESO, 114,...hard to spend same on EC18, 90

squire
11-22-2012, 18:33
Passed on a tall, thin bottle of the new Old Taylor. Limited edition, fancy bottle, a bit of cache and all that stuff. Same store has 6yr old Barton 86 proof for a bit more than 10 dollars. After close to 50 years of drinking Bourbon now my money goes to contents, not container.

smokinjoe
11-22-2012, 18:43
Passed on a tall, thin bottle of the new Old Taylor. Limited edition, fancy bottle, a bit of cache and all that stuff. Same store has 6yr old Barton 86 proof for a bit more than 10 dollars. After close to 50 years of drinking Bourbon now my money goes to contents, not container.

Good to see you back, friend. Happy Thanksgiving!
:toast:

Jasongar8
11-23-2012, 22:21
Woodford Reserve Four Wood for $89.99. One of the 375ml Buffalo Trace experimental collection bottles, can't remember which one.

BAO
11-24-2012, 11:37
6 4RSmB 2012. Already have one and haven't opened it yet. I'm always hesitant to buy duplicates of anything I haven't tried yet, even if you SBers are raving over it and Binny's has a 10% off your entire order coupon running.

theglobalguy
11-24-2012, 14:27
Don't even know where to start, Westport Whiskey had a tasting event in Louisville. OF Birthday 10, 11, 12, 3 of 4 special Taylor Rye's, Jefferson's 18, EC20, Black Maple Hill, etc, etc...

Shelf at home is literally full (both open and backups) so had to pass on some very tough to find bottles. Will say, got to try JP 18 and while not a cheap bottle, tasted like it was worth it.

LostBottle
11-24-2012, 17:44
The other day I passed up every CEHT release at ~$73 and PHC 2012 at $81.

savagehenry
11-25-2012, 15:19
JPS 18 for $95. No thanks, I know where to get it for $70.
This particular store has been sitting on 5 bottles for weeks, but somehow sold 3 bottles since MON.

HighInTheMtns
11-25-2012, 15:24
JPS 18 for $95. No thanks, I know where to get it for $70.
This particular store has been sitting on 5 bottles for weeks, but somehow sold 3 bottles since MON.
At least around here, nice bottles that have been sitting around for months (or in some cases years) all started disappearing very rapidly the week that VW came and went. I think everything else became consolation prizes for the VW hunters.

savagehenry
11-25-2012, 15:48
Good call, that's a possibility.

CaptainQ
11-25-2012, 16:37
At least around here, nice bottles that have been sitting around for months (or in some cases years) all started disappearing very rapidly the week that VW came and went. I think everything else became consolation prizes for the VW hunters.

With the holidays approaching people need bottles for bosses, customers, friends, etc...

And if it's expensive it must be good, right? :rolleyes:

KySalesRep
11-25-2012, 18:29
I passed up about 4 or 5 Angel's Envy CS. I saw them at two different stores and when I asked if they had ever sold some of them, I was told no by both places. I know I will never buy any of them, but I was curious.

BFerguson
11-25-2012, 20:02
I may ask you to share your secrets if we get home over Christmas to see my folks.

That would make a merry christmas!!

B


6 4RSmB 2012. Already have one and haven't opened it yet. I'm always hesitant to buy duplicates of anything I haven't tried yet, even if you SBers are raving over it and Binny's has a 10% off your entire order coupon running.

Tucker
11-26-2012, 10:41
Passed on EC20 and Whistlepig 111. Not that it matters, but I thought the point of the Whistlepig was that it was 111 proof for $111. It was slightly north of that. Maybe they didn't get the memo.

Kalessin
11-28-2012, 10:20
I was buying Baby Saz at a store I like a lot for $29.99/btl earlier this year (which sounds high, but for whiskey products, Massachusetts seems to be about $5/btl over many other states). They've been sold out of it for a while.

It just showed up at another store I regularly visit, in the cabinet with the top-shelf bottles (is there a term in the industry for these display cabinets?), now priced at $39.99.

33% price increase? No thanks.

tdig
11-29-2012, 11:29
Passed on Parkers 27 and Rittenhouse 25...sooo tempting.

compliance
11-29-2012, 17:45
Passed on a V17 ($69) and PHC cognac($89). Saving up for the BTAC to hit.

LostBottle
11-29-2012, 21:58
Passed on a V17 ($69) and PHC cognac($89). Saving up for the BTAC to hit.

Keep in mind that while the BTAC will be around next year, that V17 won't.

RVTsteve
11-30-2012, 02:02
Passed on a FR LE SmB 2010 at $97. I'm thinkin this is probably the only one of these I'm likely to find so I'm tempted to back and grab it.

skidfive
11-30-2012, 02:25
2011 THH for $100 out the door. When I get around to opening my current already owned 2011, and if I enjoy it as much as others, Ill know where this one sits

KySalesRep
11-30-2012, 16:04
Today I passed on a bunch of Weller 12, I already have several bottles stored away. A few days ago, I saw several bottles (6 or so) of 4RSmB LE 2010 priced at $73/bottle. I love the current release, but have never tasted the 2010. Do you guys think it's worth going back for a couple of the 2010's, or should I just buy another 2012? Thanks in advance!

frayed99
11-30-2012, 16:25
Passed on:

ORVW 10/107
Lot B
WR 4 Wood
Vintage 23 Rye
ER17

The first four were roughly suggested retail. The ER17 was about $12 more than it was in other shops this year and $10 more than the other BTAC's they had in stock. Go figure.

squire
11-30-2012, 17:27
Rock Hill Farms at $42.99, they have a handful of bottles, all dusty, don't think the brand moves well for them.

SDpappy
12-05-2012, 13:20
My profile name might be SDPappy but I decided to pass on Pappy this year....and it feels so good! My buddy texted me saying he was able to acquire Pappy 15 for $90, Pappy 20 for $140, and Pappy 23 for $290 and asked if I wanted 2 of each. I told him I'd pass so he sold it to another friend. Bought some Brunello di Montalcino instead.

Tony
12-05-2012, 15:09
My profile name might be SDPappy but I decided to pass on Pappy this year....and it feels so good! My buddy texted me saying he was able to acquire Pappy 15 for $90, Pappy 20 for $140, and Pappy 23 for $290 and asked if I wanted 2 of each. I told him I'd pass so he sold it to another friend. Bought some Brunello di Montalcino instead.

That is some tasty wine right there. Plus you can probably share some of the Pappy with your buddies that they got.

Best regards, Tony

Young Blacksmith
12-05-2012, 17:45
I did the same as SDpappy, passed up all the bourbon I could stand to look at and bought a bottle of wine. In my case a Piesporter Michaelsburg Riesling.

awachatz
12-05-2012, 18:04
Passed on a couple bottles of AH Hirsch 16 yr at $480

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Old Lamplighter
12-05-2012, 18:39
Over the last few days: 2011 & 2012 THH; CEHT: Rye, SB, Tornado; Masterson's Rye; OFBB 2012

LostBottle
12-05-2012, 18:51
My profile name might be SDPappy but I decided to pass on Pappy this year....and it feels so good! My buddy texted me saying he was able to acquire Pappy 15 for $90, Pappy 20 for $140, and Pappy 23 for $290 and asked if I wanted 2 of each. I told him I'd pass so he sold it to another friend. Bought some Brunello di Montalcino instead.

Nice wine selection! Good thing you stocked up: http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/vandals-destroy-prized-brunello-di-montalcino-wine/

MrAtomic
12-05-2012, 20:05
I passed up an EC18 at $50 but am having second thoughts. I have a funny relationship with this bottling. I know that $50 is a very reasonable price for an 18 year-old bourbon, especially one that's been discontinued. And I've had some great bottles (although most have been hand-picked by retailers), as well as some over-oaked, ashy duds. But then I see it on the shelf and get gun-shy.

Old Lamplighter
12-05-2012, 20:09
I passed up an EC18 at $50 but am having second thoughts. I have a funny relationship with this bottling. I know that $50 is a very reasonable price for an 18 year-old bourbon, especially one that's been discontinued. And I've had some great bottles (although most have been hand-picked by retailers), as well as some over-oaked, ashy duds. But then I see it on the shelf and get gun-shy.

I've experienced same & keep passing up a retailer barrel as I observe the supply thereof continue to dwindle. How do we get over this hump?

WAINWRIGHT
12-05-2012, 20:21
I passed up an EC18 at $50 but am having second thoughts. I have a funny relationship with this bottling. I know that $50 is a very reasonable price for an 18 year-old bourbon, especially one that's been discontinued. And I've had some great bottles (although most have been hand-picked by retailers), as well as some over-oaked, ashy duds. But then I see it on the shelf and get gun-shy.
Every time I pass on something I regret it sooner than later,I wish we still had some of these floating around.I am down to one lowly bottle which is a hand selected,so I guess I see your query.

Old Lamplighter
12-06-2012, 07:16
Every time I pass on something I regret it sooner than later,I wish we still had some of these floating around.I am down to one lowly bottle which is a hand selected,so I guess I see your query.

I know all about the regretting sooner than later. I've decided it's high time to go ahead and spring for a couple of these. I was holding out a couple $100 anyway for Pappy if any came my way. Since that is obviously not going to happen, might as well grab something that is still out there but will soon be gone probably for good. From all I've read here and heard on the street, I don't see how HH is going to move much of the 'new' EC20...but, maybe they really don't care judging by how well they've done with the PHC line and the vast myriad of other labels they have on the market worldwide.

rutterb
12-06-2012, 07:51
Passed on hand signed four roses 2008 marriage. There were actually a few bottles on the shelf. Same store had last years PHC and this years. Already regretting.

jeanraulmitchell
12-07-2012, 01:23
Called around at least to 30 shops this evening for 1 bottle of Saz 18 since it's hitting the shelves here right now. Located, supposedly, four Saz 18s in one Bevmo. 1 for me and the other 3 for a couple of friends. Drove an hour to find the bottles were Handy. Should've known this would all be a dream. Mad and in a rush to get to the next big chain for 1 Saz before closing, I left all four $79 THH there. Probably by next summer, I'll wish I picked up all of them.

skidfive
12-07-2012, 01:42
I passed up an EC18 at $50 but am having second thoughts. I have a funny relationship with this bottling. I know that $50 is a very reasonable price for an 18 year-old bourbon, especially one that's been discontinued. And I've had some great bottles (although most have been hand-picked by retailers), as well as some over-oaked, ashy duds. But then I see it on the shelf and get gun-shy.

I know where 2 are located, I really enjoyed the EC12 original, so I might have to pick these up when I get some extra funds. I didnt know they were discontinued

p_elliott
12-07-2012, 09:12
I know where 2 are located, I really enjoyed the EC12 original, so I might have to pick these up when I get some extra funds. I didnt know they were discontinued

It was the EC18 that was discontinued not the EC12 So no hurry on picking up EC12 it's not going any where.

skidfive
12-07-2012, 10:19
It was the EC18 that was discontinued not the EC12 So no hurry on picking up EC12 it's not going any where.

sorry, in my late night and semi inebriated state I wasn't clearly typing. They are EC18s.

jeanraulmitchell
12-07-2012, 12:05
I passed up an EC18 at $50 but am having second thoughts. I have a funny relationship with this bottling. I know that $50 is a very reasonable price for an 18 year-old bourbon, especially one that's been discontinued. And I've had some great bottles (although most have been hand-picked by retailers), as well as some over-oaked, ashy duds. But then I see it on the shelf and get gun-shy.

This probably will not help, but my friend at B&B package in Colonial heights TN has a few cases of an EC18 barrel selection. However, shops in TN can't ship.

grantsi
12-07-2012, 15:09
Was just offered a bottle of "widow Jane"...shop keep was selling for $65 but said it would be $400 next year. Gave mea sample...not bad...but nothing I really love.

Rockefeller
12-07-2012, 15:28
Was just offered a bottle of "widow Jane"...shop keep was selling for $65 but said it would be $400 next year. Gave mea sample...not bad...but nothing I really love.

Apparently, Widow Jane is 5yr old bourbon (they also have a 7yr) sourced from Kentucky that's been cut to 91 Proof using "special" limestone mineral water from upstate NY. It sells for $52 in their Brooklyn shop.

I suggest you go back to the store and laugh in their face at that $400 prediction.

Rockefeller
12-07-2012, 15:30
Widow Jane is currently being put in BTAC bottles and selling at BTAC prices! Is this an example of a "luxury" and "rare" brand being created out of thin air?

14505

Rockefeller
12-07-2012, 15:35
More on Widow Jane: it's essentially a chocolate factory
http://cacaoprieto.com/liquor/products/

Here are some hipsters enjoying their launch party: http://cacaoprieto.com/widow-jane-launch-recap/

savagehenry
12-07-2012, 15:35
4R Marriage - $100 - maybe I can talk them down a few bucks by pointing out that it's been on the shelf for 3 years, and it was hidden behind regular 4RsmB.
4x V17 - $60 - I'll be going back for these. Judging by the amount of dust they could be the non-wheater, I forgot to check the font.

BFerguson
12-07-2012, 18:14
4R Marriage - $100 - maybe I can talk them down a few bucks by pointing out that it's been on the shelf for 3 years, and it was hidden behind regular 4RsmB.
4x V17 - $60 - I'll be going back for these. Judging by the amount of dust they could be the non-wheater, I forgot to check the font.

I'd buy each f those for those prices.

B

BFerguson
12-07-2012, 18:16
Apparently, Widow Jane is 5yr old bourbon (they also have a 7yr) sourced from Kentucky that's been cut to 91 Proof using "special" limestone mineral water from upstate NY. It sells for $52 in their Brooklyn shop.

I suggest you go back to the store and laugh in their face at that $400 prediction.

The only "special" thing in that water judging by the light at the end of the photo is bat poop!