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Josh
10-11-2012, 18:13
Yes, I'm the kind of guy who worries about this sort of thing.

Re: The big distillery in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.

My understanding was that the name of the distillery was Lawrenceburg Distillers Incorporated. Before it was owned by MGP, it was owned by Angostura/CL Financial/The Government of Trinidad & Tobago. But it was not the Angostura distillery, or the CL Financial distillery, it was LDI.

So why are some now calling it the MGP distillery? Has the name officially changed? If your answer is yes, please provoide something firm in the way of evidence to back it up.

callmeox
10-11-2012, 18:20
I'm a few hours early, but the name of the distillery is/was Lawrenceburg Distillers Indiana.


#pedanticfriday

White Dog
10-11-2012, 18:59
Josh, I thought you always called it the Tempelton Distillery.

callmeox
10-11-2012, 19:07
LDI was a wholly owned subsidiary of the prior holding company CL Financial, but they did business as LDI, LLC.

The new owner is MGPI of Indiana, LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of MGPI.

From the MGP press release announcing the sale:

Through the years, it has been owned and operated at various periods by Joseph E. Seagram and Sons and Pernod Ricard. It was acquired by CL Financial in 2007 at which time the facility assumed its current name.

So, the distillery wasn't known as LDI until CL Financial took over.

Lastly, the MGP 10K filing for FY '11 refers to the facility as the Indiana Distillery with no mention of LDI.

Bourbon Boiler
10-11-2012, 21:03
I received a response to a web inquiry a few months back, and the email signature of the gentlement who replied said "MGP Ingreedients, Inc", and his phone number indicated he was in Southern Indiana. I realize that's far from conclusive, but it's the only thing I can contribute.

mrviognier
10-12-2012, 12:44
MGP is the proper name for the former LDI. The company is based in Kansas, and the acquisition of the facility has been well-reported here & in the trades. Proximo bought the neighboring bottling facility.

The same folks are still there...and everything runs pretty much as in the past. The biggest change? MGP got rid of the old, coal-fired boilers and went to natural gas.

sku
10-12-2012, 13:52
I thought it was called Seagram's.

mrviognier
10-12-2012, 13:55
And before that it was called Prince. And before THAT it was ValuJet. ;)

JLH3
10-12-2012, 22:21
And before that it was called Prince. And before THAT it was ValuJet. ;)
Insert the South Park "Braniff" intro here.

:lol:

Josh
10-13-2012, 11:51
LDI was a wholly owned subsidiary of the prior holding company CL Financial, but they did business as LDI, LLC.

The new owner is MGPI of Indiana, LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of MGPI.

From the MGP press release announcing the sale:

Through the years, it has been owned and operated at various periods by Joseph E. Seagram and Sons and Pernod Ricard. It was acquired by CL Financial in 2007 at which time the facility assumed its current name.

So, the distillery wasn't known as LDI until CL Financial took over.

Lastly, the MGP 10K filing for FY '11 refers to the facility as the Indiana Distillery with no mention of LDI.


Thanks for the information. The press release implies the name has stayed the same, but the filing muddles things.


MGP is the proper name for the former LDI. The company is based in Kansas, and the acquisition of the facility has been well-reported here & in the trades. Proximo bought the neighboring bottling facility.

The same folks are still there...and everything runs pretty much as in the past. The biggest change? MGP got rid of the old, coal-fired boilers and went to natural gas.

So did the trades mention that that name had changed? Any advice as to which trades to consult to settle this thing? Did they call it MGP distillery on your tour?

cowdery
10-13-2012, 16:11
Yes, it is owned by MGPI, but they haven't announced a name change, so it's still LDI as far as I'm concerned. It's premature and presumptive to start calling it MGPI, and also confusing since MGPI owns and operates several distilleries. Maybe I'll start to call it Rossville Union, its pre-Seagram's name.

LDI is a perfectly good name because it doesn't indicate ownership, which was somewhat obscure when Angostura/CL Financial owned it. MGPI cited CL as the purchaser in 2007 when, technically, it was owned by CL subsidiary Angostura. We now know that sometime after that, as CL Financial was nationalized and reorganized after its collapse, Angostura was spun off and LDI (along with CMDK) remained with the parent. It's most likely even more complicated than that, as CL is a bit shadowy, but last year MGPI bought the distillery and Proximo bought the bottling plant. MGPI is a public company, so it's much more transparent than Angostura/CL was.

mrviognier
10-16-2012, 15:58
So did the trades mention that that name had changed? Any advice as to which trades to consult to settle this thing? Did they call it MGP distillery on your tour?

Everything...from the patches on employees shirts, to visitor's name badges, to the business cards I collected all have the MGP logo. And that's what the employees are calling it.

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cowdery
11-12-2012, 15:36
Here's the official answer from MGPI's Corporate Director of Communications:

"The official name of the distillery in Indiana is MGPI of Indiana, LLC. We refer to it as MGP's Lawrenceburg, Indiana Distillery."

Josh
11-12-2012, 16:24
Thanks Mat & Chuck!

fishnbowljoe
11-12-2012, 17:25
...and I quote. "A spade by any other name is still just a f***ing shovel." :slappin:

callmeox
11-12-2012, 19:16
Thanks Mat & Chuck!

What about me?



Padpadpad

Josh
11-12-2012, 19:53
What about me?



Padpadpad

I already thanked you. What do you want, a card?:grin:

callmeox
11-12-2012, 20:41
I already thanked you. What do you want, a card?:grin:

Bourbon. I want bourbon. And a sandwich. A good sandwich.

That's all. :lol:

Brisko
11-12-2012, 21:12
Here's the official answer from MGPI's Corporate Director of Communications:

"The official name of the distillery in Indiana is MGPI of Indiana, LLC. We refer to it as MGP's Lawrenceburg, Indiana Distillery."
If it's all the same to them, I think I'll keep referring to it as "The Old Seagram's Plant." It rolls of the tongue better, I think.

Kalessin
11-13-2012, 07:59
If it's all the same to them, I think I'll keep referring to it as "The Old Seagram's Plant." It rolls of the tongue better, I think.


To them, "the old Seagram's plant" is probably the unkillable ficus in the main office lobby...

Josh
11-13-2012, 10:13
Bourbon. I want bourbon. And a sandwich. A good sandwich.

That's all. :lol:

I got a handle of Old Taylor, 2000s vintage, in my garage that you are welcome to. As far as the sandwich goes, I don't know if I can look at another one for a while after last weekend.


To them, "the old Seagram's plant" is probably the unkillable ficus in the main office lobby...

:slappin:

cowdery
11-13-2012, 12:33
How about "Rossville Union," its pre-Seagram's name. There has been a distillery there for a long time. It has had a lot of names.

OscarV
11-13-2012, 13:50
Does LDI or MPG make anything worth drinking?
My apologies to the good folks from IN.

macdeffe
11-13-2012, 13:54
I like the High West ryes sourced from LDI. I actually like them a lot. Sometimes its vatted with whisky from other distilleries, but not always

Rendezvouz is one example

Steffen

tmckenzie
11-13-2012, 18:15
Most of everything i have had from thee I have enjoyed, but I like hat style of rye, and I like the high rye bourbon they make. I would just love to have a look at the inside works of the place.

cowdery
11-14-2012, 13:44
I enjoy the rye in most of its iterations. The bourbon not so much.

Josh
11-14-2012, 14:30
I think the Traverse City Whiskey Co. bourbon is good, and not too expensive. The Harrison barrel proof is good but at $60+ now, it's not worth it. That's 2 bottles of OGD 114,

But note that I said good, not great.

cowdery
11-14-2012, 16:43
Perhaps the standard should be, "is it better than Ten High?" which is still $10.99/750ml at Binny's. (the bourbon, not the blend)

tmckenzie
11-15-2012, 04:54
Hard to beat Barton made bourbon at that price.

squire
11-23-2012, 22:50
Perhaps we shouldn't be speaking the Barton name too loudly . . . it's one of the few bargains left.