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savagehenry
12-01-2012, 18:46
3) Weller 12 shortage? Donít take this to the bank, but with everyone learning that Weller 12 is the same wheated juice that goes into the Pappy Lot B, there may be another shortage on this soon. I had heard rumblings of this last week, then I checked with NorCal distribution and they said they had nothing with no ETA. That got me a little nervous. Thatís very odd. We decided to clean out SoCal and buy another 200 bottles, so weíre stocked for now. However, there may be trouble on the horizon. Or not. Just sayiní

Should I buy a case or pallet?
The Red Coats are coming! (that was true though)

MyOldKyDram
12-01-2012, 18:52
Wouldnt surprise me. Been stocking up on that for quite awhile now. Doomsday preppin'.

savagehenry
12-01-2012, 18:58
Wouldnt surprise me. Been stocking up on that for quite awhile now. Doomsday preppin'.
Yeah, not the first time I've seen that rumor. May need to commandeer a case.
That sure would be a bummer though.

Phil T
12-01-2012, 19:31
You decided to buy 200 bottles, but are only stocked for now?

Cut out the middle man. Just call BT and tell them you'll take all they can produce

savagehenry
12-01-2012, 19:34
You decided to buy 200 bottles, but are only stocked for now?

Cut out the middle man. Just call BT and tell them you'll take all they can produce

Good strategery - I'll take warehouse 3, all barrels.

CaptainQ
12-01-2012, 20:06
You decided to buy 200 bottles, but are only stocked for now?

Cut out the middle man. Just call BT and tell them you'll take all they can produce

Too bad you can't get Weller 12 in the BT barrel program anymore.

Rockefeller
12-01-2012, 23:48
If someone offers you $50 for your bottle of Weller 12, DO NOT take it. It will be worth $100 in a month!

Rockefeller
12-01-2012, 23:51
People, I think things have gotten out of hand. You have to look in the mirror and decide if you want to a part of this irrational behavior anymore. I'm pretty close to just switching over and drinking Gin.

LostBottle
12-02-2012, 00:16
I take what I hear from K&L with a grain of salt. A few months back they were saying it is/will be impossible to get BMH SmB (http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/7/13/the-story-of-black-maple-hill.html), which is just not the case at other places (I just loved this bit: "Make sure you load up when it's here because it never lasts long. Doesn't that just make you want it more?".

Whether it be news of Weller 12, BMH, Jefferson's Ocean, "placeholder prices" on the BTEC, or talk of a possible VW/BTAC auction, remember that K&L are in the business of selling whiskey for profit. As such, they probably find it in their best interest, and profitability, to add fuel to the fire that has overtaken the bourbon market.

BFerguson
12-02-2012, 05:41
People, I think things have gotten out of hand. You have to look in the mirror and decide if you want to a part of this irrational behavior anymore. I'm pretty close to just switching over and drinking Gin.

Soon, you will be talking about the latest yearly limited release bottles, special editions that use rare botanicals that only grow on the western mountain side between the 3700-4500 feet that are hand picked by children lowered down, because an adults weight would damage the plants, barrels aged gins from used Pappy barrels-The ultimate gift for any aficionado!

:lol:

B

jeffrey r
12-02-2012, 07:08
You decided to buy 200 bottles, but are only stocked for now?

Cut out the middle man. Just call BT and tell them you'll take all they can produce

I think he was quoting K&L as buying 200 bottles, not speaking for himself, no? Nothing like a little fear to boost sales.

jburlowski
12-02-2012, 07:38
Weller 12 does have periodic shortages... this has been happening for several years now. (This may not be happening / apparent in markets that don't sell a lot of Weller 12.) The basic reason is lack of aged wheated bourbon stocks at BT. (This is the same reason they dropped the age statement on OWA.) Weller 12 now gets released roughly twice a year --- as distillations reached the twelve year mark. I'm sure BT has ramped up production and the shelf stocks will eventually level out.

I don't think Lot B has anything material to do with this. Compared to the Weller expressions, its sales are the proverbial drop in the bucket.

savagehenry
12-02-2012, 09:39
I think he was quoting K&L as buying 200 bottles, not speaking for himself, no? Nothing like a little fear to boost sales.

Correct. I just pasted that from the email. If I had 200 bottles I'd be set for 20 years.

macdeffe
12-02-2012, 10:01
Internet hysteria

If you can create the image that a bottling is rare then "everybody" will stock up and it becomes rare (in the shops that is). It's a self fullfilling prophecy

The recent price hike (especially for scotch) is caused by us consumers stocking up beyond any kind of sense. I am also guilty. The day we decide that the prices are high enough and that we just gonna drink our stock (we got enough in the cupboards for two lifetimes anyway) then the whiskycrash will be over us

Steffen

(Glad I got a few 12yo in stock :-) )

PS Don't confuse the 12yo Weller with Lot B quality. It's not even near. And I regard the 12yo Weller high

frayed99
12-02-2012, 11:18
The Van Winkle hysteria is already out of hand, but now a possible run on a mediocre bourbon due to its loose connection to the **5th tier** Van Winkle (if you include VWFRR)? Really? I mean, c'mon, how many years would it take most of us to run through our respective bunkers before we'd say, "Man, if only I'd bunkered more Weller 12?" How many chances would you likely have to bunker some in the meantime? This just makes zero sense.

MyOldKyDram
12-02-2012, 11:47
Makes plenty of sense considering it's a near daily pour for lots of people around here, I'd say. Makes even more sense when said pour is $30+ cheaper than that 5th tier VW offering.

It's good. It's cheap. It's occasionally difficult to find. I am unapologetic in grabbing it when I see it.

frayed99
12-02-2012, 19:04
I never said don't buy it if you see it, but, no, it doesn't make any sense to stock up far beyond what will keep a steady supply on hand per historical levels. Going beyond that based on nothing more than self-serving rumors (that likewise make little sense) is what creates artificial scarcity and drives reasonably priced bourbons into unreasonable price ranges. IMHO, it sounds more like some distributors/sellers are feeding off of the insane rush on certain brands to make some quick sales on other labels.

David D
12-02-2012, 20:42
I take what I hear from K&L with a grain of salt. A few months back they were saying it is/will be impossible to get BMH SmB (http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/7/13/the-story-of-black-maple-hill.html), which is just not the case at other places (I just loved this bit: "Make sure you load up when it's here because it never lasts long. Doesn't that just make you want it more?".

Whether it be news of Weller 12, BMH, Jefferson's Ocean, "placeholder prices" on the BTEC, or talk of a possible VW/BTAC auction, remember that K&L are in the business of selling whiskey for profit. As such, they probably find it in their best interest, and profitability, to add fuel to the fire that has overtaken the bourbon market.

I don't think we've ever spoken for anyone but ourselves. I haven't had any BMH since early October, so am I lying?

I should also add that this was a private email sent to K&L customers only. The "fear tactics" started when someone posted it to this message board. You didn't see K&L posting this on our site, trying to start a riot. We were merely saying that "we" would be running out shortly. That's a pretty different message than what this post is making it out to be.

GOCOUGS2002
12-02-2012, 21:05
I received the email and thought that BT had a marketing agreement with the new Red Dawn movie...you know communists hate Weller 12, and to my surprise Coors Light. I guess the term bunker is correct in this instance.

LostBottle
12-02-2012, 21:21
I don't think we've ever spoken for anyone but ourselves. I haven't had any BMH since early October, so am I lying?

If you want to pick up 40 bottles, let me know and I can point you towards your local SFO competitor that seems to have them on the shelf...even after the puff piece.

David D
12-02-2012, 21:58
If you want to pick up 40 bottles, let me know and I can point you towards your local SFO competitor that seems to have them on the shelf...even after the puff piece.

Who's talking about the Bay Area? You're picking off K&L emails that are speaking about our stores specifically and acting like we're speaking for other stores too. I'm not quite sure what your point is. At K&L, BMH does go fast. I have no idea what goes on in any other store, nor do I claim to know. Only person puffing here is you, it seems

David D
12-02-2012, 22:31
I think everyone reading this thread deserves a bit of context here:

-This message was pasted from a K&L consumer email sent out to insider customers, not posted on a blog or website or spread to the masses. It speaks for K&L only and makes no mention of what will be facing customers who shop elsewhere.

-We sell about 12-14 bottles of Weller 12 a day (without the holiday rush).

-As of right now there are zero bottles of Weller 12 left in CA distribution with no ETA. I know this because I bought everything that was left on Friday.

-We now have 200 bottles, which will last us about 14-17 days if people don't start buying more to stock up (which they have). Many of our customers do not shop elsewhere. They like to be able to walk into the store and get their favorite bottle when they want to.

-Once these bottles sell out I will not be able to get any more until distribution gets more and, like I said, they have no ETA. Normally they'll have a memo in their system that says "12/15" or some other date when the next shipment is due. Like I said in the message, maybe it shows up next week, or maybe next month. Who knows?

-This is a courtesy to K&L customers who shop here. At no point does this say that people can't get Weller 12 elsewhere. It's merely to say "If you're in the habit of buying Weller 12 at K&L, then you might want to buy a few next time you're here." At no point does it say buy a case, or two cases, or three cases.

-If we never sold a bottle of Weller 12 again we wouldn't even notice the profit margin difference. There's not really a ton of cash in the $25 Bourbon market. While it might be nice to rake in the moolah from big sales, it's not going to happen with 200 bottles of Weller 12. Believe me.

I think this getting blown a bit out of proportion.

Vosgar
12-02-2012, 23:07
I think this getting blown a bit out of proportion.

Couldn't agree more David. Sounds to me like someone holding a grudge against K & L

Tucker
12-03-2012, 06:47
I think this getting blown a bit out of proportion.

This board wouldn't be any fun if things didn't get blown out of proportion every once in a while. :grin:

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 07:26
This board wouldn't be any fun if things didn't get blown out of proportion every once in a while. :grin:

LOVE IT! I'll be storing my newly purchased cases of Weller 12 in the freezer with my dozen McRib sandwiches.

Lazer
12-03-2012, 08:00
I think everyone reading this thread deserves a bit of context here:

-This message was pasted from a K&L consumer email sent out to insider customers, not posted on a blog or website or spread to the masses. It speaks for K&L only and makes no mention of what will be facing customers who shop elsewhere.

-We sell about 12-14 bottles of Weller 12 a day (without the holiday rush).

-As of right now there are zero bottles of Weller 12 left in CA distribution with no ETA. I know this because I bought everything that was left on Friday.

-We now have 200 bottles, which will last us about 14-17 days if people don't start buying more to stock up (which they have). Many of our customers do not shop elsewhere. They like to be able to walk into the store and get their favorite bottle when they want to.

-Once these bottles sell out I will not be able to get any more until distribution gets more and, like I said, they have no ETA. Normally they'll have a memo in their system that says "12/15" or some other date when the next shipment is due. Like I said in the message, maybe it shows up next week, or maybe next month. Who knows?

-This is a courtesy to K&L customers who shop here. At no point does this say that people can't get Weller 12 elsewhere. It's merely to say "If you're in the habit of buying Weller 12 at K&L, then you might want to buy a few next time you're here." At no point does it say buy a case, or two cases, or three cases.

-If we never sold a bottle of Weller 12 again we wouldn't even notice the profit margin difference. There's not really a ton of cash in the $25 Bourbon market. While it might be nice to rake in the moolah from big sales, it's not going to happen with 200 bottles of Weller 12. Believe me.

I think this getting blown a bit out of proportion.

Oh yeah?!?! Then why are you telling everybody that Weller 12 is going NAS and showing everybody fake COLAs?!?! Come on David, you're just a big whiskey fear-monger. :grin:

David D
12-03-2012, 09:08
Oh yeah?!?! Then why are you telling everybody that Weller 12 is going NAS and showing everybody fake COLAs?!?! Come on David, you're just a big whiskey fear-monger. :grin:

Fear-mongering makes my job so much harder, trust me. As if the 50 emails/voicemails/requests a day from Pappy/BTAC hunters weren't enough.

What's sometimes unclear to people is how different retailers move product differently. I understand it when people hear me talk about selling something out in a few hours, only to hit their local shop and see a pile of it. I've written about that subject pretty extensively. Nevertheless, we're an online store with live inventory so people tend to check with us first - that way they can secure it without having to drive over or walk into the store. For that reason, we have to put a one bottle limit on Black Maple Hill and it still sells out in about a day every time we get a drop (and as far as I know we get the biggest allocation of anyone - 120 bottles or so per round). It's become such a problem that we have to take it off the internet once RWC and SF sell through because the Bay Area people then pull what's left out of the Hollywood store and it creates 60 one bottle orders all going right back where they came from (the BMH distributor and owner is actually just down the street from us in RWC - a friend of the store).

We have a protocol now for Black Maple Hill, just like we have for Pliny the Elder beer and other hot items. I have to comb the order queue over and over to delete orders from sneaky people who create multiple accounts to allow for extra allocations, or then go back and order a single bottle again. We also had to stop putting it in the store, letting it sell through online, because people would invariable try to buy every bottle on the shelf then throw a temper tantrum when they got to the counter and we told them they could only get one. I would try and explain to them that the only reason they're getting one is because we stopped other people from doing the same, but it doesn't seem to make sense to them. Many of our customers think BMH is a K&L brand because they don't see it at Safeway or BevMo, so they expect us to have it when they want it. I think we grossly overestimate how many people buying Bourbon actually put any research into their purchase.

I think K&L makes maybe $1000 a month gross profit on Weller 12 if sales keep going the way they are. That's less than 1% of our December booze earnings (actually less than half a percent). We could buy a barrel of Buffalo Trace or Four Roses, send out an email, and make double that in about two hours. It's not really a strong basis for any fear-mongering economy. If I wanted to fear-monger for profit I'd probably start with Macallan 18 and go up from there. :)

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 10:48
David, can't we just get straight to the point and answer what everyone actually cares about? WHEN IS VAN WINKLE COMING AND HOW DO WE BUY ONE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE K&L LOTTERY SYSTEM?! CAN I BUY MORE THAN ONE BOTTLE?!

David D
12-03-2012, 10:58
David, can't we just get straight to the point and answer what everyone actually cares about? WHEN IS VAN WINKLE COMING AND HOW DO WE BUY ONE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE K&L LOTTERY SYSTEM?! CAN I BUY MORE THAN ONE BOTTLE?!

Yes, but you need to take all those requests to David OG :cool:

Josh
12-03-2012, 11:13
Thanks for posting, David.


Weller 12 does have periodic shortages... this has been happening for several years now. (This may not be happening / apparent in markets that don't sell a lot of Weller 12.) The basic reason is lack of aged wheated bourbon stocks at BT. (This is the same reason they dropped the age statement on OWA.) Weller 12 now gets released roughly twice a year --- as distillations reached the twelve year mark. I'm sure BT has ramped up production and the shelf stocks will eventually level out.

I don't think Lot B has anything material to do with this. Compared to the Weller expressions, its sales are the proverbial drop in the bucket.

John is right, as usual.

Relax, kids.

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 11:30
With all the hooplah, I went out to my local store in NYC and bought a Weller 12 to try for the first time ($19 pretax) this past Saturday.

My response to a potential shortage: who cares? Weller 12 (this guy's opinion only) is average at best. I'd have no problem using it to mix cocktails but probably wouldn't sip it neat anytime in the future. I ended up giving it to my gf for future baking projects - I caught her once using Lot B for a sweet potato pie!

Lazer
12-03-2012, 11:33
I caught her once using Lot B for a sweet potato pie!
And she's still your gf? that's a deal breaker for me. :cool:

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 11:40
And she's still your gf? that's a deal breaker for me. :cool:

I think that's way better than catching your gf drinking all your whiskey AND no pie!

Lazer
12-03-2012, 13:03
I think that's way better than catching your gf drinking all your whiskey AND no pie!
you misunderstood, I don't care about the whiskey, she can have all she wants, I just hate sweet potatoes. :grin:

Kyjd75
12-03-2012, 14:50
I don't know about other states, but I can tell you that Weller 12 is definitely not available for purchase by retail stores through their distributors in Kentucky at the present time. The distributor I know has no time table for when it will become available again. It was last distributed in the fall on allocation. My local stores ordered 10 cases, received 3. Some very large stores (i.e. Liquor Barn) may still have some in inventory, but no new supply is available as of now.

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 15:14
People should be directing their searches for Weller 12 here :lol::
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16683-Help-a-Fellow-SB-Member-Find-a-Bottle-of

$19 in NYC!

frayed99
12-03-2012, 16:47
My response to a potential shortage: who cares? Weller 12 (this guy's opinion only) is average at best.

Same here, but, meh, whatever. To each his own. This whole thread is one giant head-scratcher.

cowdery
12-03-2012, 17:45
One highly flawed premise seems to be driving this, which is that 'everybody' now knows that Lot B and Weller 12 are virtually the same juice, and therefore all of the Van Winkle crazies are going to re-aim their craziness at Weller 12. This premise is flawed because the Van Winkle crazies are also ignorant. They don't know anything about anything and even if they learn something about Weller 12 being close to Lot B, they wouldn't care because it doesn't say 'Van Winkle' on the label and that's all their small and distracted brains can handle. "Must ---- buy ---- Van Winkle."

The whole point of being a knowledgable bourbon consumer, which is the whole point of straightbourbon.com, is that you can walk into a store anywhere and at anytime and if they have any kind of bourbon selection, you can walk out with one or more bottles that you know you'll enjoy, and maybe even a good value or two.

But I also agree that SB.com would be less fun if people didn't go over the top here sometimes.

MyOldKyDram
12-03-2012, 17:50
We all go a little mad sometimes.

Josh
12-03-2012, 17:53
My response to a potential shortage: who cares? Weller 12 (this guy's opinion only) is average at best.

That's only your opinion? Glad to hear it. I was about to announce that my opinion that Lot B is overpriced and overrated and that Weller 12 was just as good or better at a much lower price had changed until I saw your disclaimer. Thanks, pal.

Rockefeller
12-03-2012, 19:18
That's only your opinion? Glad to hear it. I was about to announce that my opinion that Lot B is overpriced and overrated and that Weller 12 was just as good or better at a much lower price had changed until I saw your disclaimer. Thanks, pal.

All that anger/sarcasm over $30-40? Peasant

CoMobourbon
12-04-2012, 00:26
Whoa..."Peasant?"

Could we maybe tone down the SES tension a little? I mean, I know that this site kind of exists to perpetuate a 'whose 750ml d--k is more expensive?' contest, but "Peasant" seems a little over the line.

CoMobourbon
12-04-2012, 00:56
Back to the topic:

On some level, I sympathize with savagehenry's reaction, but overall I would concur that this particular case of potential-whiskey-shortage-hyping is negligible in the grand scheme of things.

First of all, it is obvious that whiskey salesman David's motives are not snow white innocent. From what I have read - and I do catch up on his KL journal occasionally - David is earnestly devoted to customer service and is accordingly a great source of genuine inside information. But that customer service and inside information necessarily involves self-interested salesmanship, and this message feels like an example of the latter (as it did to savagehenry). It has already been pointed out that the basis for a Lot B driven shortage of Weller 12 is shaky at best, and the coincidence of a purchase of 200 Weller 12's and this message doesn't make me feel any better. While probably not directly concerned about money or even moving his product, David is at least clearly trying to make KL look good. ('Hey guys, we are the kind of smart place that sees your needs coming before you even know that you have them. This is a time of bitter whiskey shortages, and KL is there to guide you through the wilderness.' etc.)

But really, if there is a crime here, it is obviously a small, small one from generally reliable people, their totally understandable self-interest notwithstanding. This was a message sent to a circle of already loyal KL customers about a product that KL was going to sell easily and was not going to make much money on. If the real point of the message was a commercial to confirm KL's image as a consumer advocate in a harsh market, then they were preaching to the choir anyway. There was no moment where David schemed this up in some dimly lit KL backroom, villainously twisting his handlebar mustache.

But still, I feel you savagehenry. This whiskey market works in an environment of shortage-hyping, and sometime it feels like someone should be blamed for it.

Josh
12-04-2012, 04:51
Peasant

OK, that's officially the weirdest insult I've ever received online.

Cigar Dan
12-04-2012, 05:54
Josh,

The "peasant" comment was way out of bounds, certainly. However, it was your sarcastic belittling of Rockefeller's opinion that precipitated it. He even prefaced his comment that Weller 12 is mediocre by saying that it was his opinion only. I have no idea why you would have been offended by that and reply in such an unwarranted manner.


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Josh
12-04-2012, 07:15
Josh,

The "peasant" comment was way out of bounds, certainly. However, it was your sarcastic belittling of Rockefeller's opinion that precipitated it. He even prefaced his comment that Weller 12 is mediocre by saying that it was his opinion only. I have no idea why you would have been offended by that and reply in such an unwarranted manner.


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I thought the peasant remark was funny actually.

You miss my point. I was belittling his felt need to place a disclaimer after his opinion. I find the practice annoying.

Brisko
12-04-2012, 09:28
I thought the peasant remark was funny actually.

You miss my point. I was belittling his felt need to place a disclaimer after his opinion. I find the practice annoying.

<sarcasm> Maybe he meant to type pedant. </sarcasm>


:grin:

Josh
12-04-2012, 09:50
<sarcasm> Maybe he meant to type pedant. </sarcasm>


:grin:

That would make more sense.

Wait, are you being sarcasctic? I can't tell.

SWC
12-04-2012, 10:20
My opinion is that you are all nuts.

Thank you.

Rockefeller
12-04-2012, 10:45
No no no. It's pretty clear that I called him a "peasant" because he is a simple mid-western farmer who can only afford to drink Weller 12 and has to save Lot B for special occasions. When a fancy yankee (who uses PHC6 to scrub out stubborn dish stains) turns their nose at that top-shelf Weller 12, he goes on the attack!

HighHorse
12-04-2012, 10:48
(Cowdery, QUOTE) The whole point of being a knowledgable bourbon consumer, which is the whole point of straightbourbon.com, is that you can walk into a store anywhere and at anytime and if they have any kind of bourbon selection, you can walk out with one or more bottles that you know you'll enjoy, and maybe even a good value or two. (QUOTE)

(QUOTE)

Nicely stated & helpful to recent arrivals to straightbourbon.com. People like me. And I also agree that it would be less fun if folks didn't go over the top on occasion.

Thanks,

Jon

Brisko
12-04-2012, 11:22
When a fancy yankee (who uses PHC6 to scrub out stubborn dish stains)

I leave such drudgeries for the maidservant.

RT Fan
12-04-2012, 11:40
I leave such drudgeries for the maidservant.

I believe the proper term is "scullery maid." :grin:

Brisko
12-04-2012, 11:53
I believe the proper term is "scullery maid." :grin:

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to, old chap.

callmeox
12-04-2012, 11:58
The threadjack here is strong.

Please move the conversation back to the posted topic.

cowdery
12-04-2012, 12:10
OK, that's officially the weirdest insult I've ever received online.

And for you, that's saying something.

squire
12-04-2012, 12:38
So, if it's available I'll buy it and if it isn't I'll buy something else. Good whisky is always available and life goes on.

MrAtomic
12-04-2012, 15:45
Weller 12 has been a favorite of mine, but is increasingly hard to find in my neighborhood, and even through mail order. I'd be more concerned about the recent shortages if there weren't so many special retailer single barrel bottlings of Weller Antique available these days. To me, current Weller 12 is pretty woody and dry -- even more so than usual -- and I'm finding myself more drawn to the fruitier, livelier single barrel Weller Antiques, instead. But no Weller 12 means no SB blend, and that IS a problem.

CoMobourbon
12-04-2012, 16:45
The threadjack here is strong.

Please move the conversation back to the posted topic.

I completely understand where you're coming from. Several posts discussing an exchange between two posters; not exactly the topic at hand.

But I think the whole 'Peasant' thing is actually pretty relevant to the Weller 12 - Lot B relationship. Socioeconomic status symbolism is at least a huge factor in defining the difference between the two whiskies. Also, the fear that one of the exemplar everyman "Peasant" whiskies could become just as inaccessible and elevated as the Van Winkle line drives is pretty much the premise behind the topic.

Also, everyone should look up Peasant on Urban Dictionary.

squire
12-04-2012, 17:01
Drinking whisky does make me pleasant.

Josh
12-04-2012, 17:33
Drinking whisky does make me pleasant.

Goes well with pheasant.

callmeox
12-04-2012, 17:34
I completely understand where you're coming from. Several posts discussing an exchange between two posters; not exactly the topic at hand.

But I think the whole 'Peasant' thing is actually pretty relevant to the Weller 12 - Lot B relationship. Socioeconomic status symbolism is at least a huge factor in defining the difference between the two whiskies. Also, the fear that one of the exemplar everyman "Peasant" whiskies could become just as inaccessible and elevated as the Van Winkle line drives is pretty much the premise behind the topic.

Also, everyone should look up Peasant on Urban Dictionary.

The OP wasn't about the "the Weller 12 - Lot B relationship", that was added in by another poster.

Feel free to start a new thread to discuss that if you wish. As The Boss has said, "we have plenty of room"

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?2053-Thread-Hijacking

White Dog
12-05-2012, 10:21
The OP wasn't about the "the Weller 12 - Lot B relationship", that was added in by another poster.

Feel free to start a new thread to discuss that if you wish. As The Boss has said, "we have plenty of room"

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?2053-Thread-Hijacking

The very first post about the so-called "fear tactic" was because of Weller 12's relationship to Lot B. If there was no relationship, there would be no fear tactic. Without that supposed relationship, there would be no thread.

callmeox
12-05-2012, 10:43
My mistake on the Lot B intro but the point stands.

If you want to discuss peasants and socioeconomic impacts then open a new thread as that is not even tangential to the OP.

SDpappy
12-05-2012, 13:17
Dave: Love your blog and enjoy getting the special emails. Keep sending me the fear tactic emails please. Also love K&L. Those Aldo Conterno Barolo sale was pretty awesome!

jburlowski
12-22-2012, 07:17
I don't know about other states, but I can tell you that Weller 12 is definitely not available for purchase by retail stores through their distributors in Kentucky at the present time. The distributor I know has no time table for when it will become available again. It was last distributed in the fall on allocation. My local stores ordered 10 cases, received 3. Some very large stores (i.e. Liquor Barn) may still have some in inventory, but no new supply is available as of now.

FWIW, The Party Source received a shipment of all sizes of Weller 12 in the last two weeks.

KySalesRep
12-22-2012, 09:58
I can add that some of the Liquor Barn stores in Lexington has received another shipment of Weller 12. I was in a store the other day and they had a several bottles on the shelf and I asked the manager about it. She told me they had just gotten in another shipment the day before. Plenty to be had here in Lexington, Ky.

Kyjd75
12-23-2012, 05:52
Not only has there been a new release of Weller 12 (my local store received several cases also) but also an additional release of PVW, albeit very limited.