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sob0728
12-12-2012, 11:18
Anyone had this? Any thoughts? I searched and saw some stuff on James E Pepper but could not tell if that was an age stated bourbon or NAS that was being discussed. Anyway, it is $60 for the 15 year. Just wondering if anyone has had it and has any notes on it.

ThomasH
01-12-2013, 13:52
I only saw this listed one place online. I did purchase a bottle of the rye last week and it is good!

Thomas

smknjoe
01-25-2013, 13:31
I called a store today looking for some PHC 12 and they were pushing this stuff hard saying that it was a limited edition like the Parkers. When I asked where it was distilled the guy said "Indiana." Nobody has had this yet? I'm more inclined to spend $60 on the better part of two bottles of ETL than this.

angler82
01-26-2013, 10:14
I bought a bottle a few months ago and thought it was wretched stuff. Thin, lots of burning. I thought it was a joke that it is supposedly 15 years old. I stayed away from Smooth Ambler because I believe it is the same LDI bourbon

smknjoe
01-26-2013, 11:36
Thanks for the input. You are only the second person to try this apparently (on SB.) This guy said he had a good bottle and his friend got a rotgut bottle. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16742-James-E-Pepper
I will stear clear.

c2walker
01-26-2013, 11:41
Thanks for the input. You are only the second person to try this apparently (on SB.) This guy said he had a good bottle and his friend got a rotgut bottle. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16742-James-E-Pepper
I will stear clear.

I have tried it and agree that it's not very good.

MyOldKyDram
01-26-2013, 11:45
Haven't had it, but I do have a 7 yr Smooth Ambler that I like quite a bit.

squire
01-26-2013, 12:54
Two ELTs trump one Pepper.

dementedavenger
01-26-2013, 13:00
I bought a bottle a few months ago and thought it was wretched stuff. Thin, lots of burning. I thought it was a joke that it is supposedly 15 years old. I stayed away from Smooth Ambler because I believe it is the same LDI bourbon

I had the Pepper rye in a bar and thought it was garbage. On the other hand, I've been very impressed by all of the year Smooth Ambler curated varietals. Those guys are picking good stuff.

matthewdc
01-27-2013, 13:43
I've started to see this stuff pop up at stores around DC over the past month or so. A couple stores have been pushing it pretty hard here as well. I had a chance to sample it at one of the stores I frequent and I too wasn't impressed. I just remember alcohol and heat, not much depth or flavor, and a short finish--kind of like one of those old school saloon whiskies.

given the taste and that it was only 80 proof (if I remember correctly), not worth the $50-$60 price tag. I may go back and try to sample the rye--it was definitely priced better than the 15 yo...

wripvanwrinkle
01-28-2013, 09:30
I tried this the other night. The nose was very nice but the taste was really weird in a way that I didn't like. I was lit at the time, so I can't offer anything more specific.

Happyhour24x7
01-28-2013, 18:52
Thanks for the input. You are only the second person to try this apparently (on SB.) This guy said he had a good bottle and his friend got a rotgut bottle. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?16742-James-E-Pepper
I will stear clear.
I am "this guy", and let's be clear- the bottles we had were the original release- not the 15 year old. Haven't tried it yet, and frankly not in a hurry to.

Happyhour24x7
01-28-2013, 18:54
I bought a bottle a few months ago and thought it was wretched stuff. Thin, lots of burning. I thought it was a joke that it is supposedly 15 years old. I stayed away from Smooth Ambler because I believe it is the same LDI bourbon
And don't let it scare you away from Sooth Ambler. They do a good job of barrel selection, and then often do their own marriage of multiple barrels. All tastes vary, but I think they do a good job. Big fan of the Very Old Scout 19 YO.

smknjoe
01-28-2013, 19:23
I am "this guy", and let's be clear- the bottles we had were the original release- not the 15 year old. Haven't tried it yet, and frankly not in a hurry to.

Hey you, thanks for the correction. I assumed it was the 15. I didn't realize there were different ones. And I'm in no hurry to drop $60 on it either.

turtle
06-17-2013, 06:02
Got a bottle a couple of weeks ago. Maybe it's from a different batch, but I thougt it was excellent. For what it's worth, took it to a local highly resepected bourbon bar to share with the staff, and they thought it was excellent. Found this review - http://www.drinkhacker.com/2013/06/03/review-james-e-pepper-1776-bourbon-rye-15-year-expressions/

sob0728
06-18-2013, 05:50
I also noticed this is now $100-$120 most places online. Pepper 15 is now more expensive than Pappy 15.

squire
06-18-2013, 08:59
There's always someone.

Flyfish
06-18-2013, 09:45
I also noticed this is now $100-$120 most places online. Pepper 15 is now more expensive than Pappy 15.
Perhaps it's a matter of reverse marketing psychology as in "It tastes expensive and it is."

Josh
06-18-2013, 10:53
But how does it compare to Old Bardstown?

sob0728
06-18-2013, 11:01
But how does it compare to Old Bardstown?

The REAL question is: How does the bottle compare to Old Bardstown's bottle?

squire
06-18-2013, 11:24
Damn right, the bottle's the main thing.

Flyfish
06-18-2013, 11:40
Damn right, the bottle's the main thing.

If it's the Estate Bottled 101, the nod has to go to OB. The OB bottle, that is.

MJB
08-05-2013, 19:47
There are two bottles available of the JEP Rye 15yo locally and I was thinking about picking it up (139.00). I'm glad I decided to come home and check the forums first.

buckey48
12-29-2013, 09:31
I also noticed this is now $100-$120 most places online. Pepper 15 is now more expensive than Pappy 15.


I got a bottle for $60+ have not tried. Wish I could find any Pappy for $100 let alone the 15 yr. Local on Craigslist will be over $500 for PVW 15

dSculptor
02-05-2014, 16:33
The info on the James E. Pepper website says, "Get this special whiskey while you can," leading me to believe the 15 year is a limited release.

Hmmm... maybe I should go back and pick one up, but I think the price was $115.00 if I remember correctly.Wonder if it's worth it?

smknjoe
02-05-2014, 16:38
Nope. They go for $70 around here and still might not be worth it.

dSculptor
02-05-2014, 19:31
Alright good to know.

Wryguy
02-06-2014, 04:52
I paid $60 for my JEP15 bourbon, and it's very meh. Not bad, not great, I get a dill note that doesn't play well with the corn sweetness. And I've revisited this bottle a few times since opening it a couple weeks ago. If it was $40 it'd be properly priced, and I will not be buying this again. This, the JEP 15 rye and the JEP NAS bourbon have all underwhelmed, but the NAS rye is fine IMO.

shoshani
02-06-2014, 05:22
This, the JEP 15 rye and the JEP NAS bourbon have all underwhelmed, but the NAS rye is fine IMO.

The JEP rye actually isn't NAS, per se; there's a very small note on the back label that reads "Aged over 2 years". So it's not an exact age statement, but there's no absence of one either.

Wryguy
02-06-2014, 05:49
The JEP rye actually isn't NAS, per se; there's a very small note on the back label that reads "Aged over 2 years". So it's not an exact age statement, but there's no absence of one either.

I'll chalk that up to being a straight whiskey and not because they are offering some kind of definitive age statement. Unless you're suggesting I refer to it as the JEP 2 yo rye? ;) I guess in considering that most every straight whiskey is not NAS?

wadewood
02-06-2014, 06:00
When this 1st came out, it sold for about $60 for the 15 YO. Then they released an NAS version and 2nd batch of 15 YO. The NAS is around $40 but the 15 had big price increase and now $130-$150. You might still find stray bottles of 1st batch for $60. Other than price, I don't think there is anyway to tell what batch is what.

I bought a couple at the $60 price point and thought is was pretty good at that price point. For $140 no way.

tigerlam92
02-06-2014, 19:02
When this 1st came out, it sold for about $60 for the 15 YO. Then they released an NAS version and 2nd batch of 15 YO. The NAS is around $40 but the 15 had big price increase and now $130-$150. You might still find stray bottles of 1st batch for $60. Other than price, I don't think there is anyway to tell what batch is what.

I bought a couple at the $60 price point and thought is was pretty good at that price point. For $140 no way.

Thanks for the details. I had always been confused with the assumed pricing changed.

Still can't see how they raised prices so much on second release.

wadewood
02-07-2014, 05:34
Thanks for the details. I had always been confused with the assumed pricing changed.

Still can't see how they raised prices so much on second release. Easy, they are a NDP and don't control their source pricing.