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dementedavenger
01-08-2013, 20:55
I interacted with a bunch of Seattle area folk when I posted my introduction a month or so ago. I thought it may be fun to start a thread and get a discussion going about bourbon, rye, etc. in the Seattle area and the rest of Washington. I actually think it would be cool to have geographic-focused boards because often times I'll be reading threads and shaking my head, saying to myself, "They don't sell that here," or, "Their pricing is so much different than ours that it's just not the same thing." Additionally, I think that as the years go by we'll be talking more and more about craft bourbons, ryes, etc., many of which will only be widely available on a regional level.As my fellow Washingtonians can likely attest, being a bourbon lover in this state can be very challenging at times due to the old regulatory system, the change in regulations, and the current tax system and lack of retail power with distributors.
I'll get the ball rolling with a recap of some Seattle area liquor retailers. I'll preface my report, however, by saying that I do most of my buying online.
Specialty
The best selections I've found are Wine World (Wallingford), Emerald City Spirits (Wallingford), Esquin (SODO), Ballard Liquor Store (Ballard) and BevMo! (Tukwila, Northgate, Bellevue and Tacoma). Wine World is outrageously expensive. The guys there are really nice but they can't compete on price yet. Emerald City Spirits, which is about .5 miles west on the same street (45th), has a surprisingly strong selection and some decent prices on certain stuff. The owners took over a horrible old state store and kept all the displays. The people behind Ballard Liquor Store did the same (they also own an old state store near University Village) and their selection is fairly strong and they had some decent pricing on certain items (EC12 for $32, tax included, which was lower than BevMo!) and horrible prices on other stuff (WLW12 for ~$55, tax included). Esquin has decent pricing but their selection can be spotty. BevMo! generally has a fairly strong selection and the pricing is decent for the area. BevMo! is also your best shot at getting Van Winkle and BTAC; I bought two GTS and one ER17 from the BevMo! in Tacoma.
Grocery
Costco's selection is surprisingly poor and their prices are not anything special. I hate their Kirkland (Beam) bourbon, but to each their own. QFC and Fred Meyer (each owned by Kroger) sometimes have stuff on sale at decent prices and QFC sometimes has some wonky prices (Eagle Rare for $27 before tax at the store near me, which seems pretty low for this area). QFC will also do special orders if you speak to the liquor manager. The beauty of grocery stores is they don't really care - liquor is just another product and they'll happily show you the distributor price list and help you out. The Safeway stores I've been to generally have small selections and their pricing can decent. I saw 1792 Ridgemont Reserve on closeout at one near me for ~$28 before tax. It was ~$34 at BevMo! Metropolitan Market has an interesting selection and their pricing can sometimes be surprisingly good. Trader Joe's has a small selection and is typically pricing around the same mark as the regular grocery stores.
Other
Walgreens carries liquor in many of their stores. At the one near me they've put the Jim Beam Black gift set (750ml plus two rocks glasses) on closeout for $17.99 before tax, and, the Maker's Mark gift set (750ml plus two waxed rocks glasses) on sale for $21.99 before tax.
ChainWhip
01-08-2013, 21:36
Capco Beverages has a shop in Issaquah (old state store on Gilman) & West Seattle (old state store on Alaska). They have decent prices on Scotch & selection is pretty good - good selection of mini's.
Clearview Spirits are my favorites & they've got a good selection as well - two locations (in Snohomish on Hwy. 9 & in Monroe as well).
Total Wine in Bellevue (& Tukwila) has good selection & some of the best prices - too bad it's a big box store... They're literally 5min from my house & I shop @ Uwajimaya often so I stop in from time to time to see what's available.
If anybody knows where any OGD114 is in the area, shoot me a PM!
wadewood
01-08-2013, 21:53
got to chime in; having lived in Seattle from 1999 to 2007 during state run days, I know WA liquor taxes are now very high, but I'll take that any day for real competition.
dementedavenger
01-08-2013, 22:17
Capco Beverages has a shop in Issaquah (old state store on Gilman) & West Seattle (old state store on Alaska). They have decent prices on Scotch & selection is pretty good - good selection of mini's.
Clearview Spirits are my favorites & they've got a good selection as well - two locations (in Snohomish on Hwy. 9 & in Monroe as well).
Total Wine in Bellevue (& Tukwila) has good selection & some of the best prices - too bad it's a big box store... They're literally 5min from my house & I shop @ Uwajimaya often so I stop in from time to time to see what's available.
If anybody knows where any OGD114 is in the area, shoot me a PM!
I've only lived out for a little under four years but I've never seen OGD114. I actually don't see that much at online retailers.
I need to checkout Clearview. I need an excuse to go out to Snohomish or Monroe that involves bringing my toddler, LOL.
I was disappointed by the selection at Uwajimaya in the ID. I had hopes that they would have some good Japanese whiskey but they don't and their prices on other stuff are pretty bad. My secondary spirit of choice is actually Shochu (my brother lived in Japan for 10+ years and got me into it) and I've got about a dozen bottles of it that I purchased during the state-run days.
ChainWhip
01-09-2013, 00:55
got to chime in; having lived in Seattle from 1999 to 2007 during state run days, I know WA liquor taxes are now very high, but I'll take that any day for real competition.
I keep telling myself that but it hurts right now man... I think we traded in our old dictator for two despots instead.
ChainWhip
01-09-2013, 00:58
I need to checkout Clearview. I need an excuse to go out to Snohomish or Monroe that involves bringing my toddler, LOL.
Go straight to the Monroe store then hit the other one if you can. If you're in downtown Snohomish, pay Fred's Rivertown Alehouse a visit - impressive menu of beers & whiskies there.
What's the tax rate on liquor? Is it higher than the regular (combined) sales tax, which when I left 7 years ago was already 9%? Is liquor taxed twice (regular sales tax + liquor-specific sales tax)? I was there a few months ago, but didn't look at the after-tax prices - I was on vacation, and treating my hosts, so I didn't really care. (I was also giddy over the demise of the old state-control system.)
dementedavenger
01-09-2013, 07:08
What's the tax rate on liquor? Is it higher than the regular (combined) sales tax, which when I left 7 years ago was already 9%? Is liquor taxed twice (regular sales tax + liquor-specific sales tax)? I was there a few months ago, but didn't look at the after-tax prices - I was on vacation, and treating my hosts, so I didn't really care. (I was also giddy over the demise of the old state-control system.)
The current liquor tax is 20.5% + a pro-rated $3.77 per liter tax. Here are some examples. You really get killed when you buy bottom shelf.
Ancient Age - 750ml
Base Price: $9.99 (BevMo)
20.5% Tax: $2.05
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $14.87
Buffalo Trace - 750ml
Base Price: $26.99 (BevMo!)
20.5% Tax: $5.53
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $35.35
George T. Stagg
Base Price: $79.99 (BevMo!)
20.5% Tax: $16.40
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $99.22
Ouch. And of course, the shelf tags are all written in base prices, no doubt.
Please tell me that they don't add the 9% regular sales tax on top of all that.
The current liquor tax is 20.5% + a pro-rated $3.77 per liter tax. Here are some examples. You really get killed when you buy bottom shelf.
Ancient Age - 750ml
Base Price: $9.99 (BevMo)
20.5% Tax: $2.05
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $14.87
Buffalo Trace - 750ml
Base Price: $26.99 (BevMo!)
20.5% Tax: $5.53
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $35.35
George T. Stagg
Base Price: $79.99 (BevMo!)
20.5% Tax: $16.40
Liter Tax: $2.83
TOTAL: $99.22
Holy S#!T! What about Oregon? I always here the Portland people complaining about freeloaders from WA.
I feel sorry for you (all). I should bring a few bottles of OGD with me on my business/pleasure trip out there in the next few weeks.
dementedavenger
01-09-2013, 11:54
Ouch. And of course, the shelf tags are all written in base prices, no doubt.
Please tell me that they don't add the 9% regular sales tax on top of all that.
Most stores only display the before tax prices along with signs stating the tax scheme. A few stores make it a point to show you the "out the door" price.
No, that's the total tax. The standard sales tax is rolled into it.
I see why you mostly buy online.
humchan2k
01-09-2013, 13:52
The prices in WA were so brutal, I just went to see Andrew at Liberty on Cap Hill for the good stuff....cuz after all, what's better than dope whiskey and sushi!?!?! If you don't know Liberty and you live in Seattle, go fix that immediately!
LostBottle
01-09-2013, 19:19
Wine World is outrageously expensive.
I will not shop there due to their asinine pricing and I actively encourage others to do the same. $90 for a HW 21 375ml bottle? Whistlepig 111 at $156? Masterson's 10 at $91? (Prices are before the 20.5% tax).
ChainWhip
01-09-2013, 19:55
Esquin's prices are not much better than Wine World.
LostBottle
01-09-2013, 20:21
I wish nothing but financial ruin upon both of them. Hopefully, Total Wine moves to Seattle proper and makes this happen.
dementedavenger
01-10-2013, 06:19
The prices in WA were so brutal, I just went to see Andrew at Liberty on Cap Hill for the good stuff....cuz after all, what's better than dope whiskey and sushi!?!?! If you don't know Liberty and you live in Seattle, go fix that immediately!
Seconded. Canon is an experience, but an expensive one. Liberty, it's been my experience, has a more generous pour and they're very much into the idea of educating you and learning from you.
LostBottle
01-10-2013, 08:44
Thirded. The prices at Canon are stupid - at $45 a pour for Single Oak Project or $60 Pappy 20, I think he must be buying his whiskey from Wine World. Liberty gets my vote, and business.
dementedavenger
01-10-2013, 08:56
Thirded. The prices at Canon are stupid - at $45 a pour for Single Oak Project or $60 Pappy 20, I think he must be buying his whiskey from Wine World. Liberty gets my vote, and business.
Want to talk about some stupid pricing? Check out Brouwer's in Fremont. They're known for their incredible beer selection and, apparently, their odd bourbon/rye pricing. Also, they're 1.5-ounce pours seem pretty damn small.
Knob Creek: $11
Baker's: $13
Blanton's: $14
Black Maple Small Batch: $15
Pappy Van Winkle 15-Year $17
George T. Stagg: $17
William Larue Weller: $18
Whistle Pig: $18
Hudson's Manhattan Rye: $23
14657
humchan2k
01-10-2013, 10:05
Want to talk about some stupid pricing? Check out Brouwer's in Fremont. They're known for their incredible beer selection and, apparently, their odd bourbon/rye pricing. Also, they're 1.5-ounce pours seem pretty damn small.
Knob Creek: $11
Baker's: $13
Blanton's: $14
Black Maple Small Batch: $15
Pappy Van Winkle 15-Year $17
George T. Stagg: $17
William Larue Weller: $18
Whistle Pig: $18
Hudson's Manhattan Rye: $23
14657
Those prices are cheap for LA, broham.
dementedavenger
01-10-2013, 11:35
Those prices are cheap for LA, broham.
The prices aren't awful, though I feel their pours are small. The issue is the wackiness of the pricing where Hudson's Manhattan Rye is ~35% more expensive that PVW15, GTS and WLW. It's to the customer's benefit, of course, but that's just weird pricing, in my opinion. The beauty of Liberty is that I have no clue what their prices are and don't really care. I always feel like I get treated fairly there and I get my money's worth.
Apparently the spirits manager is not a Bourbon guy, but hey, if that what customers are willing to pay . . .
dementedavenger
01-11-2013, 15:18
I stopped into Total Wine in Tukwila today and was very pleasantly surprised to find a big selection of bourbon. They had a few bottles of JPS18 Batch #17 for $93.99 before tax if you're looking (I found it interesting that it was on the shelf and not in the "High-End Spirits" cabinet directly across the aisle; in fact, there was no bourbon in that cabinet). Most interesting to me was the big selection of Sazerac brands that I'm totally unfamiliar with: Black Ridge, Buckhorn, Chestnut Farms and Two Stars, among others. Anyone ever tried any of these? They were NAS and seemed more about packaging than anything else. They also had a ton of bottom shelf stuff I've never seen: Black Eagle, Paddleford Creek, Southshot, Watkins Select and Winchester.
LostBottle
01-11-2013, 16:12
The Tukwilla Total Wine also has great customer service, a remarkable change from many of the people I encountered who were on the state payroll.
I stopped into Total Wine in Tukwila today and was very pleasantly surprised to find a big selection of bourbon. They had a few bottles of JPS18 Batch #17 for $93.99 before tax if you're looking (I found it interesting that it was on the shelf and not in the "High-End Spirits" cabinet directly across the aisle; in fact, there was no bourbon in that cabinet). Most interesting to me was the big selection of Sazerac brands that I'm totally unfamiliar with: Black Ridge, Buckhorn, Chestnut Farms and Two Stars, among others. Anyone ever tried any of these? They were NAS and seemed more about packaging than anything else. They also had a ton of bottom shelf stuff I've never seen: Black Eagle, Paddleford Creek, Southshot, Watkins Select and Winchester.
The Watkins Select is here at Total as well, and I bought a bottle a couple of months ago. I asked the Wine Manager of the store, who seemed to know his bourbon as well, what he would buy as an every day pour, preferably under $20. He didn't have to think long and named two bourbons. The Watkins was $17 (I forgot what the other bourbon was). It was very drinkable (though I don't remember the specifics), and I finished the bottle within a month or so, having no qualms about reaching for it equally as often as other, roughly-equivalently-priced stuff in my cabinet at the time (mainly 4R YL, and Weller SR, IIRC). At that price, I wouldn't have felt bad about if someone had wanted to mix it.
I will likely buy another bottle again in the future. It's a lot better than Dickel #12, and I liked it as much as the AA. (I can't get AAA here).
dementedavenger
01-12-2013, 21:02
If you haven't already tried it, I strongly recommend giving the Oola Cask Strength version of its Waitsburg Bourbon a try. It's young but at 118-proof it's got a real nice bite to it. I wish more craft distillers would follow Oola's lead and put out a cask strength offering. They sell it direct from the Capitol Hill distillery and Total, as well as some of the more expensive joints.
Thank demented (boy, that was fun to type). I'll look for it here, though this is a long way from Capitol Hill (in so many ways).
I used to spend a fair amount of time in the Madison area, though usually a few blocks farther east. I think I know the building they are in.
dementedavenger
01-18-2013, 19:15
Two more liquor store reviews.
QFC University Village: Former state store; the entrance is separate from the actual grocery store. A surprisingly strong selection of bourbon and rye, including two bottles of JPS18 (batches 17 and 18) for $104.99 before tax; Weller 12, which I rarely see out here, and a bunch of stuff that has totally slipped my mind now. Prices are competitive with BevMo! and Total if they've put it on sale and right now a lot of stuff is on sale. I overheard the manager talking to someone - either a distributor or craft producer - and he sounded like he knows what he's doing and is trying to turn that store into something. I think this particular store may have a lot of potential because while that QFC is on the edge of the U-District it's main constituency comes from middle to upper income neighborhoods in close proximity.
Capco Beverages in West Seattle: Local folks took over the old "premium" state store. Big selection though the only stuff they had that I don't routinely see elsewhere is OFBB, OFBIB, Willett 4-Year Rye and some real bottom shelf. It's an independent so their prices are not good. The only thing I saw that was priced lower than I've seen elsewhere is the Dry Fly Port Finished Wheat Whiskey, a 375ml bottle that still costs $30 after tax. I'm sure I'll be back, though likely just to browse.
BourbonShill
01-19-2013, 19:11
A bunch of Weller 12 just landed here last week.
LostBottle
01-19-2013, 22:11
A bunch of Weller 12 just landed here last week.
...but, if you are not a bar or restaurant....
BourbonShill
01-20-2013, 17:18
...but, if you are not a bar or restaurant....
It's open to retail. BevMo and Total buy it, not sure broad market retail knows what it is, yet. I'm sure informed consumers will ask for it and they'll catch on. Even some 1.75s for the State.
CaptainQ
01-20-2013, 17:23
Even some 1.75s for the State.
Sweet. What will those cost, $150?! :hot:
Plus all applicable taxes.:skep:
ChainWhip
01-20-2013, 18:16
$23.99 @ Total Wine (pre-tax) for the 750 of Weller 12
HighHorse
01-20-2013, 18:18
$23.99 @ Total Wine (pre-tax) for the 750 of Weller 12
A good price ... I just saw it here for $25 .. four dollars off and feel compelled to pick up a few more.
ChainWhip
01-20-2013, 20:02
It's weird because OWA & Weller 12 are $23.99 ($31.74 after taxes) while the WSR is $28.99
ChainWhip
01-23-2013, 17:16
Ended up picking up a few more of the W12 for the bunker
I never thought I would miss the State Stores, but the reality is that the selection is poorer and the prices are higher. Philosophically I think it's a good thing for the State to be out of the Business and maybe one day I will see the benefit as a consumer.
In Issaquah there is a little restaurant that has a great Bourbon selection, its the Flat Iron Grill (http://www.theflatirongrill.com/whiskey-library/). Not cheap, but pours that I have not seen anywhere else.
ChainWhip
01-23-2013, 17:57
I've been meaning hit the Flat Iron but my ride buddies keep wanting to hit Hop Jacks or Final Frontier. Need to go this weekend.
p_elliott
01-24-2013, 09:11
Is the state still the distributor or do you have independent distributors? Iowa got out of the Liquor store business about 20 years ago but they are the only distributor in the state so nothing changed as far as selection.
I never thought I would miss the State Stores, but the reality is that the selection is poorer and the prices are higher. Philosophically I think it's a good thing for the State to be out of the Business and maybe one day I will see the benefit as a consumer.
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I agree with you. Selection went down the toilet and prices went up. However, over here in Spokane a Total Wine and More opened up and took care of those two problems rather nicely.
Well, that's a promising sign. As a general rule I think it's better the Stat's just collect the taxes and keep their noses out of the liquor business.
ChainWhip
01-24-2013, 09:45
Is the state still the distributor or do you have independent distributors? Iowa got out of the Liquor store business about 20 years ago but they are the only distributor in the state so nothing changed as far as selection.
I suppose our story is similar to yours - we traded out the state monopoly for a duopoly (with separate portfolios). Effectively it's a monopoly and with the higher end whiskies, selection and availability has greatly suffered.
With notable exceptions, prices have been higher due to the distributors jacking up the prices (as the tax rates have changed very little from when the state was running everything).
BourbonShill
01-24-2013, 21:32
I agree with you. Selection went down the toilet and prices went up. However, over here in Spokane a Total Wine and More opened up and took care of those two problems rather nicely.
There are more products available in the State than ever before, whether stores bring them in or not is up to them, restaurants definitely are taking advantage of the greater selection.
ChainWhip
01-24-2013, 21:40
I'd agree that selection is better except for higher end whiskies.
BourbonShill
01-24-2013, 21:45
I'd agree that selection is better except for higher end whiskies.
More there too, but restaurants are getting to them first as a lot have buyers who know what to look for vs. newer spirits store owners focusing on the top sellers across the US. They will develop better selections, the State stores were expensive to take over, so they are more worried about recouping their bid right now.
Total has raised the bar, as has BevMo. Private stores will catch up.
ChainWhip
01-24-2013, 22:12
More there too, but restaurants are getting to them first as a lot have buyers who know what to look for vs. newer spirits store owners focusing on the top sellers across the US.
I think the limited editions (BTAC, VW, Diageo, etc.,) are all really difficult/impossible to find in this state (more than usual).
dementedavenger
01-25-2013, 08:39
I think the limited editions (BTAC, VW, Diageo, etc.,) are all really difficult/impossible to find in this state (more than usual).
PHC 2012 (Master of Mashbills) has suddenly popped up in some bars (9 Million in Unmarked Bills in Fremont and Sun Liquor Distillery on Capitol Hill, among others). The only time I've seen this on the shelf in the area is when BevMo! opened their Bellevue store a few months ago (and I watched as a guy was having the last one pulled from the "high-end" case).
On this note, the presence of BevMo! and Total is a positive if you're trying to get your hands on the limited edition stuff. Their corporate policies seem to prohibit lists and pre-sales so you don't have to be a "top customer" to get a shot at getting them and there's not the same type of price-gouging that smaller stores often engage in. I bought two GTS and one ER17 at BevMo! in Tacoma a few months ago.
dementedavenger
02-01-2013, 05:53
Total in Tukwila has a bunch of JPS18 and EC20. They also had W12 if anyone is looking for it.
Lots of interesting conversation here about selection, prices and availability. I have spent a lot of time trying to understand what I should be doing, as a “normal” consumer, to at least have a chance at the limited bourbons out there, especially since the massive changes last June. The state system had to go, but one good side effect is that it was predictable. Now it’s a free for all.
As others have pointed out, the distributors in Washington State are the main cause of our problems; they restrict sales to preferred customers (bars and restaurants), lie about stock and maintain separate price lists for on-premise and off-premise buyers to discourage retail sales for some products.
Yet it’s hard to blame distributors for taking advantage of currently legal business practices that, while detrimental to whisky buyers, weren’t accounted for in the new liquor laws. The Liquor Control Board policies need to be tweaked a bit to rectify the anti-competitive nature of the current environment.
What I don’t understand is why producers still use exclusive distributors in the state. It made sense when there was only one buyer (the state), but not any longer. If I was a producer that wanted the best representation to consumers, I would use multiple distributors to encourage competition on value added services and squeeze their margins as much as possible to provide the lowest cost (and subsequently more volume) to buyers and ultimately consumers.
My primary annoyance is that the specialty stores (in the state system) used to be the best resource for knowledge and availability of the more collectible spirits. Now is appears that the specialty stores are at the bottom of the food chain and the big retailers (Total, BevMo) get most of the off-premise allocation, yet they are terrible at catering to the enthusiasts who walk past the pallets of $8.99 vodka jugs in search for quality products.
I know that EC20 and JPS18 have spotty availability, but the Total Wine Bellevue store just tells me the stock comes and goes and doesn’t care who buys it. No way to notify interested customers, no intention of helping beyond trying to always upsell their “Spirits Direct” selections which are likely a much higher margin sale. And BevMo’s selection is just poor for high end products.
ChainWhip
02-26-2013, 08:04
Welcome to SB DBM. We're in agreement with much of what you've posted - I am optimistic that things will turn for the better but it is difficult right now.
The lamest line I've heard attributed to the distributors (from more than a couple of retailers) is they have high prices on items because Washington state hasn't proven enough demand of said products in high enough volumes - Hello Mr. Chicken & Egg...
Seriously, how dumb do the distributors / retailers think consumers are? With a smartphone in just about every pocket, prices are easy to compare and it's obvious we are being ripped off (even before taxes).
In any event, glad to have you here - there is also a "New to SB" forum where people can introduce themselves to the community at large.
ChainWhip
02-26-2013, 23:33
Scouted out TotalWine in Bellevue today and there's some new items (prices are inclusive of tax):
$75.12 4RSB OBSK for 3/16/2013 Bourbon Bash (Daniel's Broiler Selection)
$123.32 Fortaleza Anejo
$87.17 St. George Single Malt Whiskey Batch 12
$79.94 Hakushu 12
$75.12 Hibiki 12
$123.32 Laphroaig Cairdeas 2012 Origins
Stupid prices.
Yesterday Total Wine in Bellevue had Old Forester Birthday Bourbon 2012 for $49.99 (not including the many taxes) so I picked up a bottle. I'm guessing it just now made it through distribution because I hadn't seen it anywhere in Washington until that moment.
There's also still plenty of the 4RSB OBSK that ChainWhip mentioned earlier for the Daniel's Bourbon Bash, which I am sadly missing this year.
ChainWhip
03-08-2013, 11:33
I think that was at least the 2nd distribution to the Bellevue store but I picked up a bottle too.
ChuckBiscuits
03-16-2013, 21:48
The Tukwilla Total Wine also has great customer service, a remarkable change from many of the people I encountered who were on the state payroll.
I have also found this to be true. Genuinely interested employees that want you to have a good retail experience. I don't know enough yet to comment upon their selection, but their beer prices are impossible to best in the area. World class selection, as well. Seattle has a few great "bottle shops", one of which is very close to home--Beer Junction. Bottleworks also deserves mention as being one of the first, and of course Chuck's Hop Shop at 85th and 6th in Ballard. None are cheap, but are certainly dedicated to bringing a huge selection of enthusiast brews to the area.
I do favor places where the staff enjoy their work, which make my shopping more pleasant.
derevaun
04-04-2013, 22:20
I'm ambivalent but generally optimistic about the change. I used to have to drive to SODO or 7th/Bell to find my fave everyday pours (Old Forester and VOB BIB); now I can run over to Bevmo for Old Forester but have no clue where to find VOB. Anybody know, by the way?
I'm ambivalent but generally optimistic about the change. I used to have to drive to SODO or 7th/Bell to find my fave everyday pours (Old Forester and VOB BIB); now I can run over to Bevmo for Old Forester but have no clue where to find VOB. Anybody know, by the way?
I never saw VOB BiB before or after the regulation changes. Might be worth a call to Young's. I've had reasonably good luck talking to distributors about product availability and being directed to retailers who either stock something, or would pick up a new label if there was customer demand.
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