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ChainWhip
01-09-2013, 22:00
Found this from John Hansell:


That Sazarac Rye 18 yr. prototype is the best bottle of rye whiskey I have ever tasted! (https://twitter.com/JohnHansell/status/285556176303816704)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_Z-JLKCEAAzLiL.jpg:large

I'm hoping this rye expression sees the light of day in a release for the mortals!

squire
01-09-2013, 23:26
Elegant simplicity.

RWBadley
01-09-2013, 23:42
Wow, sign me up!

p_elliott
01-10-2013, 09:19
And I thought the BTAC Saz 18 was hard to come by I bet this is going to be a killer and expensive too.

luther.r
01-10-2013, 09:36
I had assumed since he called it a prototype and Saz 18 has been out for a while that this is something he got a long time ago, prior to Saz 18's release. I've been wrong before though...

squire
01-10-2013, 09:55
I'm sure it will be Paul, and worth it. We know who made it and if we ask politely I expect Harlen will tell us the mashbill, approximate age, aging conditions and barrel entry proof. Those are things that influence my decision to pay a premium.

HighHorse
01-10-2013, 10:53
Wow! Hansell saying it's probably the best rye he's ever tasted?! Having had the 21 year old High West on Sunday and the Saz 18 last night ... that's the golden grail! Will be doing a barrel selection with Harlen in April and will darn sure try and get near this one!

White Dog
01-10-2013, 11:09
Yet another honey barrel that gets sent to Hansell for a glowing review, but the final blend that we will pay thru the nose for, if we can find it, will be a different whiskey.:rolleyes:

squire
01-10-2013, 11:18
I'll reserve judgment until a bottle is available to taste and let the whisky speak for itself.

michaelturtle1
01-10-2013, 11:23
I was under the impression that saz18 was tanked? So unless this is a totally different barreling of rye that means this would be the same as what is currently offered just "tank" strength?

Beer&Bourbon
01-10-2013, 11:35
I would gladly welcome the same expression at a higher proof. Saz18 is certainly on my short list of favorite ryes.

squire
01-10-2013, 11:40
May well be, the higher strength would change the flavor profile a bit though.

tanstaafl2
01-10-2013, 12:41
I was under the impression that saz18 was tanked? So unless this is a totally different barreling of rye that means this would be the same as what is currently offered just "tank" strength?

Perhaps the tank is running low and this will become the new Saz 18 going forward. But in the meantime perhaps TPTB will deign to allow us minions a taste of this at barrel proof.

For a commensurate fee of course!

squire
01-10-2013, 12:46
Tanked or barreled is fine with me, just pass the bottle.

Trey Manthey
01-10-2013, 12:53
This "prototype" is apparently what eventually became Saz18.

Don't get too hyped up lads. I'll bet a bottle of 2010 Saz18 this never sees a store shelf, as I don't think it was ever intended to be a product. Just a test.

squire
01-10-2013, 12:56
Could be Trey, I wouldn't disagree, do wonder though why they went to the trouble to get label approval if it's a one off.

Trey Manthey
01-10-2013, 12:59
Could be Trey, I wouldn't disagree, do wonder though why they went to the trouble to get label approval if it's a one off.

If you show me a COLA label filing I'll change my tune.

But to me that looks like a label printed up at the BT Tasting Lab, for the purpose of sending out an industry sample.

HighHorse
01-10-2013, 13:03
18 years is one hell of a test. What would they be testing? They have to know it's primo .. and to see Hansel saying it's the best he's ever had ... doesn't make sense that they would be sending it out .. knowing that there would likely be a public comment unless they had some plans for it. It's already seen the light of day now ... the question becomes when and how much?

squire
01-10-2013, 13:04
Thought there was a COLA, or maybe I saw the word on the same blog page.

Trey Manthey
01-10-2013, 13:08
18 years is one hell of a test. What would they be testing? They have to know it's primo .. and to see Hansel saying it's the best he's ever had ... doesn't make sense that they would be sending it out .. knowing that there would likely be a public comment unless they had some plans for it. It's already seen the light of day now ... the question becomes when and how much?

That's the thing...I don't think this is new. My assumption is that this was the PROTOTYPE for what we now know as Saz18. I think JH just dipped into his library of OLD samples and found it, and decided to share/brag.

luther.r
01-10-2013, 13:27
That's the thing...I don't think this is new. My assumption is that this was the PROTOTYPE for what we now know as Saz18. I think JH just dipped into his library of OLD samples and found it, and decided to share/brag.

Right, this was my assumption.

I just found John Hansell's tweet from 12/30/12 and this is the original text:

"What I'm drinking tonight: the prototype to what is now the legendary Sazerac 18 yr. rye whiskey. But 110.2 proof!"

squire
01-10-2013, 13:30
Then apparently Sazerac believed this would show better than a 90 proofer.

luther.r
01-10-2013, 13:39
Or they just hadn't decided yet what proof they would be bottling it at.

squire
01-10-2013, 14:15
Lower proof always means higher profit.

ChainWhip
01-10-2013, 14:28
A few of questions I have:

Is this the tanked Saz18 @ a higher proof (same as current BTAC) or is it new rye that BT has been sitting on for the past 18yrs?

If the latter, is it just older BabySaz/THH or something else?

Finally, what I really want to know is if there are any plans to make this a real product offering?

luther.r
01-10-2013, 14:37
Finally, what I really want to know is if there are any plans to make this a real product offering?

Highly doubtful unless they have too much stock at some point in the future. The Saz 18 is flying off the shelves at its current proof and pricepoint.

HighInTheMtns
01-10-2013, 16:31
A few of questions I have:

Is this the tanked Saz18 @ a higher proof (same as current BTAC) or is it new rye that BT has been sitting on for the past 18yrs?

If the latter, is it just older BabySaz/THH or something else?

Finally, what I really want to know is if there are any plans to make this a real product offering?
It isn't anything new. It's just a whiskey writer drinking from a bottle he has had for a long time.

Smithford
01-10-2013, 19:02
It isn't anything new. It's just a whiskey writer drinking from a bottle he has had for a long time.
Probably the one they were talking about here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?475-Pleasant-Surprise!) and here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?478-That-18-YO-Rye-from-Buffalo-Trace).

WAINWRIGHT
01-10-2013, 19:32
Probably the one they were talking about here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?475-Pleasant-Surprise!) and here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?478-That-18-YO-Rye-from-Buffalo-Trace).
Great recon and how we would all love to have a pour of this from better than a decade ago!:shocked:

Tico
01-10-2013, 20:01
I can't wait for the chill filtered 90 proof version of this!

:hot:

Smithford
01-10-2013, 20:13
Great recon and how we would all love to have a pour of this from better than a decade ago!:shocked:
Reading old posts here often makes me wish I had a time machine.

LostBottle
01-11-2013, 20:23
I can't wait for the chill filtered 90 proof version of this!:hot:

This made me laugh.

Bourbon Boiler
01-12-2013, 16:35
I can't wait for the chill filtered 90 proof version of this!

:hot:

:toast: Good one!

JohnHansell
01-12-2013, 17:17
I can't wait for the chill filtered 90 proof version of this!

Very funny! And sorry to confuse, but this was what was to become Sazerac 18 yr. 90 proof. I think I got it in 1999 at the WhiskyFest New York event. Would be nice to see a legitimate Sazerac 18 yr. Barrel Proof.

Bourbon Boiler
01-12-2013, 17:29
Thanks for clearing it up, John.