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Bourbon forum members partaking of alcoholic beverages?!?!? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gifA shocking development I know! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I am having Weller 12 year tonight, what are you all drinking??
EC 12, but you locked the thread.
Last night I was also having a Weller 12yo. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
I couldn't log on last night, but boy what an interesting brew I sampled. I was in Louisville and decided to wait out the 5PM traffic by stopping at the BBC(Bluegrass Brewing Company) in St. Matthews. They had some cask conditioned, hand drawn, Smokey Porter. Wow!!!! Served at room temp. Now this is Beer(and Beer is Food)!!! No need for dinner after two of these. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif What a way to start the weekend. BTW: Go Big Blue!!! Sunday is Louisville vs UK in football and I'm working on tailgate food and beverage. Look for me on ESPN2. I'll be in the East End Zone. I'll be standing next to the crazy woman with blue hair.
I was drinking Weller 19 yo.
It must have been Weller Time . http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
I'm having Buffalo Trace http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif, but it's the last of my bottle http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.
BT too...still one of if not my favorite.
It is indeed Weller Time! I'm drinking the 12 yo as I type!!
I'm having Buffalo Trace, but it's the last of my bottle
Tommy--don't despair! Have you noticed the recent additions to the VA ABC Special Order Catalog? Check out:
Last night it was Old Forester 86proof...the best of the middle shelf. (We can't get the 100 here)
Thanks for the link! They have Sazerac Rye listed under rye special orders; maybe we can get them to make the new Stagg available when it comes out.
maybe we can get them to make the new Stagg available when it comes out.
The one time I actually did a "special order" was when I got 2 bottles of Hirsch 16yo--the fellow who helped me basically said they can order just about any spirits as long as you'll buy a whole case. If I'm not mistaken, Stagg comes in a whopping case of THREE BOTTLES, so it may not be too difficult! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Unless they consider a 'case' 4 three-pack 'boxes' (or some combo)... Which I hope for your guys sake is not the case. Everyone should be allowed to have Stagg touch their tongue, no matter where one lives. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
While passing through LA on may way to TX I bought 1 bottle of Old Ezra 101 (good) and one bottle of Eagle Rare 10YO SB (YUM) a little light on the proof but full of flavor. Tonight it's ERSB on crushed ice. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Since I love Eagle Rare 19, I bought a bottle of Eagle Rare 10YO this weekend. IT is 100 proof -- which is why I wonder what yours could be since you say it is a little light.
The ER 10 was absolutely delightful!
Since I love Eagle Rare 19
You mean Eagle Rare 17 right? Just want to make sure they didn't release a 19 year version before I go hunting! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
I have a bottle of both the Eagle Rare 17 year and Eagle Rare 10YO Single Barrel and both are 90 proof. Even at 90 proof, I still find both these bottlings superb! Since you have a 100 proof bottle (unless you mistyped) of the ER 10YO SB, I wonder if they made 2 variations at one time...
Did you perhaps mistype?
I have a bottle of the 10 y/o SB 90 proof (in the Stagg-like bottle) and a bottle of 10 y/o (not SB) 101 proof (in the stubby bottle). I haven't seen any Eagle Rare at 100 proof.
Old Forrester 86 proof. I have long been an advocate of the 100 proof expression, but recently the profile seems to have changed. At least that is my perception. I now find it a tad hot and dry. In preparation for some company, of which several will likely want mixed drinks, I purchased a liter of 86 proof OF (original label). I am finding in this much of what I used to love about OF100, but still at a somewhat dissappointing 86 proof. I plan on trying another bottle of OF100 when I can find it with the new label, assuring myself of a different lot/batch.
It is 90 and too good. It will not last long. I got both bottles for $41 so they were a deal.
I just cracked into a new bottle of Blanton's. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Life is tough, Tommy. We all feel for you.
I guess I'll have to settle for some Rock Hill Farms. Damn, life is rough.
I have long been an advocate of the 100 proof expression, but recently the profile seems to have changed. At least that is my perception. I now find it a tad hot and dry. In preparation for some company, of which several will likely want mixed drinks, I purchased a liter of 86 proof OF (original label). I am finding in this much of what I used to love about OF100, but still at a somewhat dissappointing 86 proof.
We've agreed before on OF 100 seeming to go downhill (I found it had gotten hot, too). And we now agree on OF 86 having the flavor we used to crave in the OF 100, though at a lower proof. Hey, at least there is a decent backup!
Gotta make up for all that Beam's 8 Star I drank in college. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/puke.gif
It'll get tougher after many of us stock up at the festival this year! Double http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Virginia Gentleman, a nice easy-drinking change of pace from the heavier bourbons I have recently been enjoying. Reminds me a lot of Maker's Mark. What is it, about six years old? It has been rumored on this board that VG is derived from a wheated mashbill. If that's the case then it's no wonder it is somewhat similar.
I think you're right Jeff, it's about 6 years old from what I remember hearing as well. I find 'The Fox' enjoyable on a somewhat warm summer night.
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yr old.
It continues to amaze me just how good this stuff is.
So naturally I just continue on drinking it, continuing to be amazed... sort of a never ending cycle.
I had a friend over last night...George T. Stagg....anyone here know him?
Sorry, Dave, You are right. That should have read 101 proof. And a very fine bourbon it is....
Thanks for pointing out that between my memory and my typing my post contained a couple of errors.
For the record, I love Eagle Rare in any expression. My first experience was with ER 17 year-old (but I typed 19 before). Frankly I was thinking of Weller 19.
The Eagle Rare 10 is 101 proof, not 100 proof.
There is also an Eagle Rare Single Barrel and there was (maybe still is but I have not seen it lately) an Eagle Rare 15 YO, 107 proof.
EVERY Eagle rare has won some award someplace!
As though one point of proof makes any practical difference, eh?
Someone (Chuck?) recently pointed out that the brand was created in response to Wild Turkey; hence the bird-related name and the 101 proof.
"Tonight", you say? One of the benefits, and, indeed, potential hazards of being retired is that I can drink just about any time I take a notion.
This afternoon I took a notion and reached blindly into my unlit closet/bunker and came out with Rare Breed, which I haven't tried in many months. I can't be sure whether this is my first or second bottle of RB, but this one is barely dented, so I assume it's my second.
I don't recall liking it very much, because it didn't taste much like Kentucky Spirit or Russell's Reserve, both of which were on my list of favorites at one time. (I've almost given up on lists; my taste changes too fast to keep up.)
Today, sipped neat from my Rare Breed glass, it's quite appealing, and yet I still have a hard time relating its flavor to that of others in the WT line. If anything, I'd say it most resembles WT 101, but with a smoother, richer flavor combined with a slightly more noticeable burn, from the additional alcohol, I suppose.
I really should drink this one more often, but that would mean I'd have to drink something else less often, wouldn't it? (I just realized that I haven't hit the WT 12 y/o since early January. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif )
Wathens http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif Definately a must-have for the well-stocked bunker. Unfortunately I will probably polish this bottle off tonight, and with the BB'03 coming tomorrow, it might be a bit before I purchase another bottle http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif So much bourbon, so little time...
So much bourbon, so little time...
Looks to me that your situation is So much bourbon, so little money. Seems like you have plenty of time! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
OGD 114 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif Been working hard all day. Trying to get
all my Honey Do's finished. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Weller 19 y.o. One of my all-time faves. Life is good. I wish this stuff wasn't going to disappear!!
I love it when I get to sample something for the first time. The OFBBSP03 is all that and more. Nice flowery nose and a fruity-smooth palate make for a wonderful combination. This is all we'll really need for the festival http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
You got that right Jeff! A new everyday pour.........well a few days! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
At the other end of the bourbonic spectrum from the OFBB MKII that all the Kentuckians are drinking tonight...
Jim Beam rye and Reed's Extra Ginger Beer. It's so refreshing that it almost lets me believe that it's not still nearly 90 degrees at 5:45 PM.
Tonight I feel brave and grabbed the Stagg...with a little ice...man does that stuff need cut..but much to its taste profile benefit...at least you can appreciate the taste with a little water as opposed to going numb. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Tonight, it is Woodford Reserve. A large pour with about six small ice cubes. A wonderful drink.
As a personal celebration tonight, I started the night with a few pours of Wild Turkey 12 year and just finished it up with a hefty pour of AH Hirsch 20 year. I love Hirsch bourbons more and more each time I have a pour. This will be a bourbon I will truly hate to eventually see all gone.
Evenn ' All
I am at work ,but early this mornn' after the run around I had a good sip of ORVW 10yr 107 .... before heading off to bed ,,, A few of you know that back in July I had a person http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/hot.gif( only due to the fact bad words are not postable here ) feel that my FULL SIZE Dodge truck was invisible or can stop in less than 1/4 of a car lenght from 35mph .... well I am sorry it cann't , ... After waiting a month I was able to get it in the shop and fixed . I do not carry rental on my insurance so it was against the other partys ,,, got to drive a 2003 extra cab 4x4 Dakota , nice but not something I would own .... First sign of trouble is the Chief of WAR and FINANCE is PO"D ,,, her checking account is bouncing paper all over , ,,, Enterprize Rental Took the FULL amount from her debit card but FAILED to tell us ,,,, They claimed they called but got no answer , (true , time and dates we are not home or was out ) So I have to get a paid statement from them and will be hunting down the other insurance company to pay , http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif found that at least here they , all companys play the game of not paying until they are pinned or taken to court ,,, they find to many people just give up and eat the 4-500 for the rental ...
A glass of http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif ORVW and the world is at least better http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Geez Bill, sorry to hear about the trouble you're having. I went through the same crap with the insurance companies while still living in CA and some guy in a 3/4 ton pickup rear ended me in my 3 month old Maxima... This was 7 years ago now, but I remember the aggravation like it was yesterday. Hey, at least you have yourself a pour of some very fine bourbon to take the edge off. Enjoy http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
3 guesses...OFBBSP03 of course. It seems that I can't pour anything else right now. Nice problem to have http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
It was hard day at the Quarry. After a 30 mile detour on the Buell to clear my head, its OFBBSP03 for the first time. My first sniff was a little disappointing. For some reason I was expecting less alcohol and more butterscotch/caramel. After a second approach, and a shift in expectations, I think its great. I will post on tasting board when I've done justice to this pour.
Conclusion: I will be bringing OFBBSP03 to the Gazebo. Fear Not you non-Kentuckians, the OFBBSP03 will flow.
No, I'm not joining our Governor in ridiculing a certain candidate's accent. I mean "vat" as in "combine two or more bourbons".
I've been trying to finish a bottle of EC 18, which I probably won't replace anytime soon. It's interesting, but it's too dry and charred-tasting to be consistently enjoyable, to my palate.
Way on the other side of the bitter-to-sweet spectrum is Eagle Rare 10 y/o, 101 proof, which is almost too sweet and smooth.
Today I tried an ounce and a half of EC 18 and a half ounce of ER 10. The result is most worthwhile. The balance of caramel to char is much improved. The EC 18 adds character and punch to the sweetness of the ER, and yet neither submerges the other.
This was a most fortuitous experiment. I have enough EC 18 for at least one more try. I'll have to decide whether to repeat this vatting or try it with a different bourbon, possibly a wheater.
I think the concensus so far is that, after you get over the fact that it isn't last years Birthday Bourbon, It's wonderful. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Well, I forced the half-empty bottle of OFBBSP03 away for a moment. After all it IS a limited edition and 5 bottles will only go so far http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Tonight it is EC12yo. It's good to know that after the limited super-premiums have come and gone, there will be many great "Old Faithfuls" to return to. EC12 is a standard in my glass!
Hey its my new BEST FRIEND, Mr ED!!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm BDay Bourbon. . .
I'm sipping on Sazerac Rye at the moment. It's been awhile since I've had this...When I've been in that "rye mood" I've been reaching for the Van Winkle Family Reserve recently. The Sazerac Rye is very distinct from the Van Winkle ryes, but still excellent. I wish there were more makers of great ryes out there.
Well, after researching (ie. constant tastings) for three months prior to my bourbon tour of KY, then 4 days of non-stop tasting, sampling and side by side shoot-outs, it's been a fine and bourbonous few months. I've been home a week now and every night was another taste-fest.
So yesterday I chose the path of sobriety and decided to take the day off, despite the beckoning calls from my freshly uncorked bottle of Eagle Rare 17 and WTRR. So, I'm going to give it one more day off.
Why, you might ask? I have no specific reason, but I can hardly wait until tomorrow night.
I had a wonderful pour of the 2002 Birthday Bourbon this evening. Very fine indeed, and it makes me look forward to getting to try the '03 variety, hopefully very soon.
Dave, since you mentioned one of my favorite brands -- Eagle Rare, I am curious how you compare that to the WTRR you list in the same post. For some reason it is the only Turkey product I don't recall having. Love to see your comment.
Hey Greg. Now this is all from memory, you understand, as I have promised not to imbibe this evening. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
First off, I'm a big fan of most of the bottlings from BT. The ER17 is no exception although I wish it was slightly higher proof (I think it could stand it). Have you tried the 17? It's the closest thing I've tried to a straight rye. Very lucious.
The WTRR was a tourist treat as I can't get it anywhere here, and Eddie Russell suggested that it was Jimmy's favourite expression. I'm a WT fan too, when it comes to what a real bourbon should taste like (that might get me in trouble!). The RR is very approachable and at best I would be happy to serve it to new bourbon drinkers looking for a simple, yet powerful pour. The nose is very full and distinctively WT (vanilla?). There's absolutely nothing wrong I can say about it. It's perfectly suited to it's 101 proof and has a marvelously long finish. All we can get here on a regular basis is the WT 80 proof which, although it's one of my regulars, has since given way to Buffalo Trace.
I'm thinking of purchasing the Eagle Rare 10 or their barrel proof. What do you think? (ie. what's your favourite ER).
If you guessed OFBBSP03, while that would have been terrific, you'd be wrong. I'm enjoying the company of an old , Dear Friend, George. Mr George T. Stagg!I was rooting around in the Bunker, of course Mr. Stagg resides Front, center. I was trying to decide a fitting offering to bring to the Gazebo next week. I'm sort of bouncing around the idea of 12 VanWinkle Rye, ( especially if the 13 shows up) Maybe the Jefferson's. Anyway I saw ol' Georgy there all alone . It's not as if I could forget it for long but there is a reason I like this stuff so well! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
I LOVE the Eagle Rare 10 -- 101 proof. I particularly like its price compared to the single barrel or 17. But I really like the flavor. I get a strong caramel. I really like the ER Single Barrel, too. At a lower proof some might say it is smoother.
Why, you might ask?
Perhaps you hear the same little voice that sometimes speaks to me.
It says, "Dave, You're enjoying this too much. Are you sure it isn't becoming a problem?" (I always reply, "Buzz off, fella!")
I really like the flavor. I get a strong caramel.
If it's the caramel you like in the 10yr., the 17 may not please you as much 'cause the caramel isn't up front IMHO. It's very mellow, and not too woody. I'll have to try it again tonight. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Thanks. I recall that I liked the 17 but it may have been for the mellowness. And like many -- I like variety
This time a week ago I was enthralled by a new Birthday Bourbon. For a couple of days now I am completely captivated by the new Barton offering, Ridgewood Reserve 1792 Barrel Select. If anyone knows or can find out, how limited is this and can we expect to see it from here on in. A bunkerable Bourbon if there is one! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Jefferson's, http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif I guess the price is not to like,$27.99. I sure do like what's in this bottle. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tonight I did a side-by-side with two bunkered favorites: Pappy 20 and OFBB '02. I wanted to see if there would be a clear favorite. Needless to say, I couldn't decide--they're both spectacular. My final conclusions were that the OFBB is the bourbon equivalent of a Ferrari--it's younger, spicier, and has a lot more pizazz. The Pappy 20 is more like a vintage Rolls Royce--sleek, elegant, distinguished, and loaded with class.
All I can add to that OCO is add the OFBBSP03 and the Ridgewood Reserve and you'll have a hefty arsenal of Style , Speed and Performance. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tonight it is a little Jefferson's Reserve. After drinking Jefferson's for a while now I thought I would give the original another try. Good Stuff http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, lousy price http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. Much Smoother than its little brother and with a fuller bodied palate.
Wild Turkey Rare Breed. It's beginning to grow more on me with each pour...
Good call, Mark. I'm going to go see if I can find a bottle of RB to open.
Back to the Weller 12 y.o. tonite. This fine tasting bourbon never lets me down. Can't believe it's so inexpensive!
When I think of Jefferson's Reserve, which coincidentally I drank yesterday too, two words come to mind "pencil shavings".
I'm surprised, given your ability to detect such flavors as acetone, vitamins, etc., that you missed the distinct flavor of a mixture of yellow paint and pine wood. It's a flavor that's unmistakable to anyone who ever chomped on a No.2 Blackfoot while pondering a difficult question on a test in school. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
In all seriousness, this is one that I'll be glad to empty, never to be replaced. It's not bad. I would certainly not dump it, and it has a pleasant nose and a certain beguiling smoothness on the palate, at least initially. However, there are many bourbons that taste more like... , well, bourbon that sell for less, in some cases much less.
Even if they were priced the same, I would choose EC 12, WT101, OGD BIB and Weller 12 y/o -- all at less than half the price -- over Jefferson's Reserve.
Don't mind me; I'm feeling cranky this morning.
Rare Breed didn't impress me at first, but every time I give it another try, I like it better. Were it not for the many fans it has in this venue, I probably would have dismissed it at first taste -- to my great loss.
I am enjoying the pleasure of a Blanton's this evening....does it get any better than this?
I nver join you guys in the evening -- but in my humble opinion there are few better than Blantons! Lucky you
A nice pour of Four Roses bourbon from the bottle we recieved after the "Let's Talk Bourbon" seminar and distillery tour. This was one of the highlights of the festival for Leslie and me. It was a little dissappointing that none of the better bottlings were available for tasting, but a great time nontheless. Glad I shared it with you guys http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Elijah Craig...the best of Heaven Hill. I get new flavors nearly every time I drink this...a very easy pour.
I was with the festival attendees in "spirit" this past weekend. On Friday evening, my wife and I sat out on the deck in the very pleasant post-Isabel weather while I enjoyed a pour of ORVW 12 yo. On Saturday evening, under the same circumstances, I enjoyed a pour of GTS. These drinks were significant because they are the first I've had in five weeks. I needed to step back for awhile, but Friday was the perfect time to tip my toes back in for a moment.
It's a good thing that I changed my plans about going to the festival this year. So many things came up this past week, including Isabel last Thursday, a rafting and camping trip last weekend with the men's group at church, and my church's end of summer party yesterday where my wife and two kids were baptized.
I got lucky with Isabel. The eye was about 100 or so miles east. There was lots of trouble there, of course. And there was over 6" of rain about 100 miles to the west that got an outer band of rain dumped on them. But here around Raleigh, we only had bursts of wind up to 45 mph and ONLY 1.5" inches of rain. A few trees here and there around town, but nothing much at all other than that. Whew!
After going to the festival there is a great supply of bourbon to choose from. For tonight it is something that I really liked after trying it, and the price wasn't bad to boot... Ridgewood Reserve 1792.
I was with the festival attendees in "spirit" this past weekend.
We missed you. Your name was mentioned by several folks over the course of the Festival. Wish you could have been with us.
Glad you dodged Isabel. It's amazing the difference 100 miles can make.
Tonight it is Rock Hill Farms , I did not want to break in to my reserve of a minimum of 6 bottles at all times of ORVW 10yr 107.... and so I am letting the Rock Hill gently rock me ,,,, lol I do have an open bottle of EB 15y but did not feel up to the pepper finish ...
Salute All !!!
I go to my cup ..
Are you sure it wasn't the other Chuck's name you heard? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif (Private joke that Brenda, Bobby, Bettye Jo, my sister and Grandma Bryant will get.http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif)
On a more gracious note, thanks for missing me and thinking of me. I missed being there, not for the bourbon, but for the people.
Old Forester 100 proof Black Diamond label. I brought this, along with the WT12, to the gazebo on Friday night. No one touched it. I guess with WT12, Park Avenue Van Winkle and "Kentucky Crown" http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif nobody wanted to waste time with this one. I don't have any of the old label left to do a direct comparison, but if memory serves me this is the Old Forester that I once proclaimed as my favorite bourbon. I picked it up at Toddy's. This is the only place I have seen it, and Mark tells me that Toddy's had to special order it in time for the festival. I'm glad they did! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Popped open a bottle of Wathen's I bought at Liquor Barn during the festival earlier this evening. You guys were not kidding that this is some fantastic bourbon, I'm on my 4th pour now! Wathen's will definately see more of my business in the future. The finish just amazes me on this one... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Popped open a bottle of Wathen's I bought at Liquor Barn during the festival earlier this evening. You guys were not kidding that this is some fantaastic bourbon, I'm on my 4th pour now!
Man, I totally agree. I picked up my first bottle of Wathen's while visiting Kentucky in June (I haven't found it out here in California) and immediately bought several more bottle after I tried it. A rich, sweet, smooth, distinctive taste!!
Evan Williams Millennium Single Barrel. I tried this for the first time Friday night at the Gazebo. My initial impression was that it was a good bourbon, but that was after a few drinks from various bottles on the table. Well, thanks to Cliff that bottle ended up in my collection and I am just now getting a good, unadulterated taste of it. I must say that this is one of the smoothest bourbons I have ever tasted. And blueberries; lots of blueberries in here. Fantastic stuff in a neat decanter. Not the best Evan Williams I have tasted http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif but better than any of the single barrel vintages.
I'm having some Old Rip Van Winkle Old Time Rye 12 y.o.
I found two bottles of this nectar, on a pass through
Kentucky. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Where? If you don't mind me asking. Is this your first experience with the 12yo rye? I wish I could find more. I have less than half a bottle http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Tonight I had my first few swigs of Rock Hill Farms SB, and dare I say I notice a (quite favorable) family resemblance to one of the best whiskies there is, Eagle Rare 17 (?!??). It seems to have similar polish in taste and while I cant put words to it at the moment I seem to detect a lot of similarities (especially how the woodiness I taste balances of the underlying sweetness) I know all this sounds kinda snooty but the gist of it is, after my first glass I must say this shit is good.
I found one bottle in Paducah and the other in Louisville.
I bought them in upscale stores. One was liquor Barn on the east side of Louisville. Party Mart in the Paducah area. I only found two bottles. If i find another bottle i'll save it for you. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
P.S. in the Paducah area, Roof Brothers stores have a good selection of spirits and they give a discount on 6 or more bottles, mix or match.
Damn. I wanted to check the LB in east L'ville off 265 back in August. I just never got a chance to get out that way.
I checked other places in the Poplar Level, Eastern Parkway area, but found none.
That's the store!! They had one lonely bottle on the shelf.
I was surprised to find one bottle, let alone two. I was looking for Stagg and OFBB, I found neither. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
I came home from work early today, as I worked late last night. My diet says not to drink for another week, but the heck with it. They must mean beer when they say no alcohol. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
My one drink for the day is Ezra B Single Barrel 15 yo. I really took a shine to this bourbon at the Galt House in early July during one of the 3 small samples for the price of one drink specials I had. I followed up with ample sampling at Furlongs (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=General&Number=18654&F orum=All_Forums&Words=furlongs&Match=Entire%20Phra se&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=18362&Se arch=true#Post18654) in L'ville in early Aug after I cleaned them out of Pappy 20 yo and ORVW 12 yo. Ahem, that was over several visits.
Any bourbon that doesn't leave you disappointed when you drink it after the last drop of ORVW 12 yo is a very good bourbon, indeed.
As you can tell, my ample sampling above has slowed to a crawl in recent weeks, for good reason. But, damn, do I now look forward to my very limited libations. My wife is getting sick of me proclaiming how good that single drink for the week tastes. I sniff it, swirl it, taste it, and plain just won't shut up about how sweet it is.
After all the talk some threads ago about Makers mark I decided to finally open another bottle. Well, after having the 95 proof Japanese Black wax makers (and the 101 Proof that Mike brought even though it was from 1980), I can say w/o a doubt I like Makers at a higher proof. For me it is more enjoyable, I like the extra bit of 'bite', and it just seemed more flavorful at the higher proofs... I'll say this, it's an ok bourbon the red wax we have here, but it is more like a $15 bourbon and not a $21 one. The 'Ambassador's' out there who take their title to heart really need to get out, experiment more often with other bourbons, and then see if they still tout Makers like they do now. If MM marketing did anything, it was sucker in whiskey drinkers who want to seem more upscale, but still don't know a whole lot about bourbon in general...
I just posted on another thread about snobs. But, then I read your post and had an idea.
We do need Maker's Mark to stay the way it is. Let it attract the bourbon-challenged masses who think MM is da bomb so that they stay away from OFBB, GTS, Hirsch,.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
If MM ever produced a higher end here in the US, it would be snatched up by the same bourbon-challenged folks who now buy the red wax. We would never get a shot at it if it were in limited quantities.
Sometimes we have to throw one away to be able to keep the rest. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif, very good points Chuck. But I bet if they did release the 95 or even the 101 proof product here and the MM 'Ambassadors' bought it, they would either hate it since it more resembles what a good bourbon is or they would still tout it, even if they did hate it, just because it is a MM product haha. Either way you are right, the 'same bourbon-challenged folks who now buy the red wax' would snatch it all up leaving us nothing if it were available in limited quantities.
As a card-carrying MM ambasador I must step in here. MM goes well beyond any other distillery in taking care of its members. Seems like every week I am getting something in the mail or e-mail regarding a new event or occasion. I even have a set of business cards that they sent me. Must cost a fortune to send this stuff out free of charge. Every other distillery with which I have become a "member" makes me wait 6mo to a year for my first contact. I know this is all fluff, but they really do go out of their way to include the consumer and make you feel appreciated.
Another thing about Maker's Mark is this: A good number of us began our better bourbon experimenting with MM. I think it is a very approachable good bourbon. I don't think I would have made the transition to better bourbon as quickly if I had to start with Stagg. I would have been scared http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
BTW, I never buy MM at more than $15. Just look for it on sale (in Lexington at least).
I know this is all fluff, but they really do go out of their way to include the consumer and make you feel appreciated.
You touched on what bothers me with about Makers Mark. Alot of what they do is fluff. Yes, alot of the crap they do is at no cost to you but in a way it is... Maybe if they didn't mail out business cards that are kinda corny and other stuff like that, their bourbon would sell for less, closer to what it should sell for. And I mean when it's not on sale. Around here you never really see Makers on sale. Outside of KY, especially here in NY, all your KY pricing goes out the window unfortunately.
I'm with you about MM being a starting place for alot of us. It was for me, and I have said it before.
Oh and the business cards haha. Yeah, got them too along with the weekly emails and such. The cards though, went right in the trash. My name with Makers Mark and my ambassador number... Let MM sell MM, not me.
In the end though, I'm not saying it's a horrible bourbon or stomping their name into the ground... It's a good place to start and even sometimes revisit. It's the other stuff they do that I find out there.
I know all the PR stuff is insignificant to the enthusiast, but I do believe that it help to keep up the bourbon following in those not as serious as us. I know we hate the idea of the "yuppie" consumer buying into our beloved product, but truth be told we need them to support the overall industry so that we, the true boubon lovers, can enjoy the fruits of prosperity: Stagg, OFBB and the like. Now this is somewhat of a moot point with Maker's, since they only produce one style of bourbon, but their success, and they ARE VERY successful, helps out the entire bourbon industry.
bourbon-challenged folks ??
We do need Maker's Mark to stay the way it is. Let it attract the bourbon-challenged masses who think MM is da bomb so that they stay away from OFBB, GTS, Hirsch,....
I think he meant it like those who stay with one brand and do not stray; trying new bourbons to expand their horizons. That's how I took it...
When i'm not sure what i want, i'll have a pour of Ezra B.
It never disappoints me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
This will be way off-topic, so I'm glad they moved this thread. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Tonight I bought some wonderful barbequed ribs (pork) and a bottle of Washington state Riesling to go with them. The wine was fruity and sweet and it went perfectly with the smoked meat.
White wine? Who me? Never! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
When i'm not sure what i want, i'll have a pour of Ezra B.
It never disappoints me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
I like EB, I like Old Ezra a lot. I have not had a chance at the 15YO but will find it one day. I do not buy EB much because I get EC12YO for $12.88. For me it's like getting what should be a $25 bourbon half price. Hard to drop down to $9 for EB unless I just have a taste for it. I may just have poor taste in Bourbon but I like EB better than JB Black http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.
If you find Ezra B 15 yo, please try it. This is a top shelf pour for me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif It has depth of flavor. A long finish, and no harsh flavors. The proof is just right, no burn. Yummy!!!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
I finished off 3 mini-bottles of Rowan's Creek, Pure Kentuky and Kentucky Vintage. I did not like any of these, but the Rowan's Creek was particularly low on my list. It came off very harsh. At least those are now done, and now I can move on to all of the good stuff! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif
Which wine was it? Leslie and I recently tried a special bottling of Chateau St. Michelle riesling that was wonderful.
It was Covey Run 2002. Very tasty and enjoyable. I chose it because the wine shop man recommended it.
I have had several Chateau Ste. Michelle reds, though, and all of them were excellent.
I am cuddling a pour of Pappy 20. I just got caught in a rain/hail/sleet storm on my bicycle. That's the fourth time this year I got snagged by weather when ten miles from home. It lasted till I got to my driveway and then the sun came out. I'm sitting under a blanket with my toes wrinkled and a stripe of road gunk up my back. I need to go to church more. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/hot.gif
Well, the lights are back on in Richmond (Hurricane Isabel). At least they're back on at my house. I broke out the Pappy. I missed the forum very much these last ten days. And hot showers. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
That sucks - no power for 10 days. I am glad to hear you have it back on.
Despite all the ice storms and hurricanes I've seen in my 15 years near Raleigh, NC, I haven't been out of power for more than 2 days, because in large residential areas close within the Cary city limits. I feel very fortunate.
I do have one suggestion for your next house you buy - GAS WATER HEATER. When we lost power for two days this past winter due to the ice storm, that hot shower in the morning made all the difference in the world.
Old Ezra 7/107 is the anti-makers mark. It is a $20 bourbon masquerading as an $11 one (as opposed to the opposite).
So thats why my MM costs so Damn much. If they cut all that shit out and lowered the price to $15 across the board I would have a bottle on hand all the time!! Thats the problem I have with a lot of "Well-Marketed" products, It becomes more about the image of the product than the product itself. Simply put, cut the marketing budget in half, and present me with a better bourbon (or at least a cheaper one) and you woyld win me over. As much as I like you Jeff, I dont want to be paying for you to receive marketing paraphenalia, i wanna pay for good booze.
Tom (Just a Thought) C
Wild Turkey Russell's Reserve, neat, in my Rare Breed glass.
I finished the 12-page, review draft of the Fall issue of Pawse for Pets, the newsletter of the Seal Beach Animal Care Center, a short time ago, and I decided to reward myself. I suppose if it were a short story, I'd have gone with the 18 year Van Winkle or the Wild Turkey 12 year. A novel would have called for the Hirsch 16 year or the George T. Stagg; I'm not sure which.
BTW, after a period of indecision regarding WT RR, now I can't imagine why I ever found it not to my liking, however briefly.
Dave, a couple of weeks ago I had the same experience with Kentucky Spirit. I had known that it is supposed to be one of the very best and WT is generally my favorite line, but I had never especially cared for it.
But that evening, I was reading a good book and sipping the KS straight. It was as good as any bourbon I have ever tasted. I hope it remains so.
Rejoice, for you have been shown the light Brother Tim. Now your path is clear; walk into the light and cleanse yourself of all other bourbons. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
ORVW 10yo 107 proof. Just wanting something nice to sip on while making dinner: Pollo Genovese in a white wine sauce. Anyway, I am just as impressed as ever with the basic line of Julian's whiskey. Lots of caramel and honey in the palate tonight.
Tonight it's Elijah Craig 12 year... Now in the past, even upon rave reviews, I haven't been a big fan of this one. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but not a whole bunch. Well tonight I got a wild hair u... err never mind anyways, tonight i have been drinking it over a bit of crushed ice and let me tell you I am really loving it. I'm not letting the ice melt a whole bunch to water it down by any means, maybe just enough to cool it a bit. It really opens it up for me and releases so many more flavors. Anyways, no matter how you enjoy different bourbons, a http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif to all!
Tonight it's Elijah Craig 12 year.
Mark, maybe you can help me understand the controversy with this one!? Why does it have such a love-it-or-hate-it status with the regulars here!? I've actually been afraid to try it due to some of the comments I've read (ie. the horrible "medicinal" notes, etc.)
Along the same lines...EC18 seems to have an even bigger controversy. Some of the comments have been about its extreme woodiness.
Bottom line--what's the skinny with EC?
I think it's just each person is searching for something different in their bourobn and what really, really appeals to one doesn't appeal to all. Like I said for me, straight EC just didn't do it but that extra water (really melting ice in my case) was enough to turn the tables...
As for Elijah Craig, I think that has mainly to do with the high aging of that bourbon. It isn't mellow, smooth,. or light like say Pappy 20. EC18 really let's you know where it has been for 18 years haha. Me personally, I like it. I like that I can taste alot of 'char' tannins etc in it. With any bourbon, even ones people on here hated, I still bought a bottle and tried it. It's the only real way for one to know if they like it or not... Plus that's all the fun in this haha.
Out-of-style Old Forrester Birthday Bourbon in my new "From my cold, dead hands!", ultra-tall shotglass. (Don't you just hate drinking last year's bourbon when all your friends are raving about this year's trendy model? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
Actually, the shotglass is sort of an obsolete model, too. The NRA is closing out the dated merchandise that was sold at the 2003 national convention, including this glass, which honors ol' Chuck.
Tonight I was digging through the cabinet when I came across an almost-finished bottle of Russell's Reserve. As some of you may know, this has been my least favorite of the WT lineup, not because I think it's bad in any way, but I just feel that RR least resembles the WT "house style." Being a good sport, I must admit that tonight I am very much enjoying my RR. I am getting lots of creamy caramel and a touch of molassas in the nose, while the wonderful tastes just lingers on and on. Now the only thing different here is that I was munching on some spicy potato-chips prior to my tasting. I'm sure this is having some affect on my perceptions, but right now I don't care http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
To me, RR has more of a citrus component (similar to the orange spray cleaner that I use on the kitchen counter top) than any of the other WT bottlings. Do you get anything similar?
Dave, I have experienced what you are describing with RR, just not tonight. I usually pick up some citrus-style taste notes as well as a perfumy nose. Neither of which I am experiencing right now. I guess that just reinforces what most of us already know: that external factors such as health, mood, and diet choices can drastically change our taste perceptions. I would buy another bottle to replace this one if I knew it would always taste this way to me http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Curiously, your and my up-and-down perceptions of RR are almost mirror images. I have generally liked it, but I went through a period of a few weeks where I didn't enjoy it. During that time the citrus notes seemed to disappear.
On the contrary, I enjoy drinking last year's OFBB while staring at the spring '03 and imagining the fall '03. What a wonderful Bourbonic time we live in. I could less what everybody else is drinking. (How 80's)
Knob Creek. Still tastes like harsh battery acid to me, but in a not so bad way http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif I think I am one of the few around here that prefer Baker's and Booker's in the Small Batch line.
Nope you're not the only one Jeff, don't worry http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif I am not a fan of Knob Creek either. I will sometimes have a pour of it, but I much prefer Bakers and Bookers from the small batch lineup as well. And I will not even give my opinions on Basil Haydens http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I started the night early finishing off my bottle of Wild Turkey 12 year. I think it was Bobby who says this is his favorite pour in all fo the Wild Turkey line-up and I would have to agree. It has all the traditional WT flavor but in perfect balance. Too bad they didn't keep it here in the US even if only for a limited release every other year or something...
Now I"m onto Jeffersons. Definately a step down from the WT haha, but still a decent bourbon. I paid $40 <I paid $30 CL pointed out my typo> in KY this year, and think it is more of a low to mid $20 bourbon really. Even though it is a relatively low 88 proof, it still comes through with some nice flavors and a decent finish.
$40!!!??? For Jefferson's? I paid $29 in L'ville in August in a neighborhood store because Liquor Barn didn't have it yet.
Opps, mistype CL haha. $30 is what it was in Bardstown during the festival... The Liquor Barn i went to still didn't have it in either. Actually Toddy's didn't when I got there. I asked Guthrie about it and he didn't know about it either. Well, that was solved the next day when he had bottles of it on his shelf and thanked me for pointing this bottling out to him.
I like KC the best, followed very closely by Booker's, with Baker's a distant third. I have never tried BH due to the constant stream of negatives about it on this board (plus, I prefer higher proof whiskeys).
To me Basil Hayden's is an acquired taste. After that it's good , except the price and proof.
I agree with you entirely...In my mind, Booker's is the very clear winner of the small batch collection...it is excellent...Baker's is very good with Basil Hayden an easy pour but a distant third and Knob Creek a distant fourth. Tonight I am having Old Overholt for the first time...interesting, reminds me of Canadian whiskey due to the rye...won't get it again though for a very long time. My next purchase may be Kentucky Spirit...
I have to agree about Knob Creek. good but not great. Bookers is better but too expensive! I have yet to try Baker's yet, will get around to it someday.
I like Knob Creek. A lot of bars around here carry it and Makers Mark as their "top shelf" choices, and I always go with the KC. I like Bakers too, Bookers a little less so, and I'm completely underwhelmed by BH.
I like Baker's but here in NC it is $35. That's too much for me. I like alot more bourbons better at a lower price.
However, I find Baker's alot in bars/restaurants, so I have it several times a year that way. I find it very satisfying taken neat in a snifter.
The Red Wax Wonder http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Maker's Mark of course. Just got in from mowing the lawn and wanted a sip of something light and easy to drink. Maker's fits the bill for me. IMHO this is one of the better bourbons to drink during the day. Refreshing, clean-tasting and won't weigh you down like some of the heartier pours.
Away for the weekend in CT and I've been drinking Wathens at the pool for a while now. Glad I have a second bottle of this on the way with a Sams order, it is superb. Dessert after dinner? Nah, I'll have more Wathens! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
Old Grand-Dad 114 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I like this pour because it has a long finish. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
Tonight it was two bourbons I hadn't tried before: Old Forester 86 proof and Ancient Ancient Age 10yo. Both of these surprised me as being better than their price. I need to spend more time examining them, but both are definitely bargain gems.
I had OGD 114 last night, too. I have always liked it, but last night it was so good I am just about ready to proclaim it my number three favorite (current 1 & 2 are OFBB '89 anf Rare Breed). The 114 is so sweet and pleasant. Even straight.
My bottle is almost empty and I will have to travel out of state to replace it, though. Even though I can buy the 86 at my local ABC'c. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gif
I agree with you entirely...In my mind, Booker's is the very clear winner of the small batch collection...it is excellent...Baker's is very good with Basil Hayden an easy pour but a distant third and Knob Creek a distant fourth.
That's exactly the way I'd call it too. Only honestly, for the money, I'd just as soon have JB Black label, as any of the 4... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/skep.gif
Old Rip Van Winkle Old Time Rye 12 Year Old, while trying to regain my composure as I deal with the latest in a string of computer problems.
I know this is the only bottle of this rye that I will ever have, and I'm not particularly sad about that. I think I slightly prefer the VWFR 13 y/o.
If anything, the OT 12 tastes older to me than the 13 -- more wood/char notes, anyway, and not as spritely on the tongue.
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