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Borchard
03-02-2013, 14:40
I would like opinions about a bottle of Jefferson's Presidential Select 18Yr that I bought recently. It's the one with the stickers on it stated that it was aged in Stitzel-Weller barrels, etc... and the owner of the store where I purchased it said the following: "It's the closet thing to PVW that you'll find..."
1. What does everyone think about this statement?
2. Knowing how PVW has appreciated in price, should I go ahead and open this bottle and joust enjoy it? Or should I put it on a shelf and wait till the demand is greater for it, and I can sell it for much more than I purchased it for?

Thanks in advance for any/all opinions

smknjoe
03-02-2013, 14:48
There are at least 2 or 3 threads on this particular "brand." Search around and you will find them. Yes, it's S-W juice and you should drink it. It's not collectible in the same way that PVW is. It's all about brand name and JPS isn't one of those brands.

I forgot to add I have some of the 17yr and it's very good.

Kyjd75
03-02-2013, 14:56
I like it, and think you should drink the bottle you have. It is very drinkable, although I lack the expertise to give it a proper description. Doubt it will ever be a collectible like the PVW's, but who knows. I have several bottles, have consumed a couple so far, and ultimately plan to finish them all off. Try it, and bet you will like it!

WAINWRIGHT
03-02-2013, 15:13
There is quite a bit of variance from batch to batch,don't buy into the whole collectible line on such a product.Drink what you buy and if you like it go buy more!There is quite a bit of information on the JPS 18yr on loads of other threads that may even lead you to which batches are preferred to others,I have always enjoyed the earlier batches in the teens FWIW.

HighInTheMtns
03-02-2013, 15:27
Whiskey is for drinking, enjoy it!

LostBottle
03-02-2013, 15:31
I would like opinions about a bottle of Jefferson's Presidential Select 18Yr that I bought recently.....

......Knowing how PVW has appreciated in price, should I go ahead and open this bottle and joust enjoy it? Or should I put it on a shelf and wait till the demand is greater for it, and I can sell it for much more than I purchased it for?


Seriously? I would flip it now, I suggest eBay.

WAINWRIGHT
03-02-2013, 15:39
I was going for a more subtle approach,but that works too!:grin:

HighHorse
03-02-2013, 15:40
Why not open it .. drink it .. and then decide if you need to go back and get more. One thing's for sure .. when it's gone .. it's gone. My observation is that you'll find this board is full of folks who like to drink bourbon. Hard to do that if you don't open it. Enjoy!

Meruck
03-02-2013, 15:56
Felt like I had to chim in. I live in Idaho now (total State control liquer sales) and we get all the good bourbons..................any way my brother who lives in St Louis was able to secure a fairly decent supply of the JPR 18 SW juice for me. Its "fine bourbon". I would put it next to any PVW for quality and taste. SMKNJOE is right. It doesnt have the same brand recognition that the PVWs have. If your bent on selling it, wait 30-40 years and yeah, you'll get a pretty penny for it as it will likley be the last SW juice on the marble, cause I'm drinking mine. But like my Ma'ma says "bourbon is for drinking". Enjoy it in your own time and remeber the code.

Only share with those that dont consider Jack or Crown bourbon, cause they're not.

Phil T
03-02-2013, 16:01
Generally, hoarding to sell for profit later, is not a popular notion here. We buy to drink, enjoy , share.

Tico
03-02-2013, 16:31
PM Wadewood, he can help you flip it on fleabay :cool:

squire
03-02-2013, 17:06
An unopened bottle is an unfulfilled promise.

SFS
03-02-2013, 17:17
I'm not going to say anything new. Drink it, enjoy it, and by all means, SHARE it, especially with folks that can appreciate it. There are indeed multiple threads on this product, including one I've contributed to in the negative (initially) and in the overwhelmingly positive (after the bottle had been open for a few months). It may seem woody and dry when you open it, but mine did NOT stay that way, and it is truly amazing whiskey. It's way better than any of the Van Winkle products currently in my cabinet, all of which are open and being ingested.

There is some variance from batch to batch, so YMMV.

One other thought. Most of us here believe that whiskey is for drinking and sharing. If you are really, truly having trouble deciding whether to drink it, consider it from this angle: do you collect things (and to me money is a thing), or do you collect experiences? The liquid in your bottle very definitely falls into the latter category.

Borchard
03-03-2013, 04:33
...It may seem woody and dry when you open it, but mine did NOT stay that way, and it is truly amazing whiskey. It's way better than any of the Van Winkle products currently in my cabinet....

Thanks to everyone for their input. I DID open up the bottle last night and drink it. I'm glad SFS said what he said, becasue that is EXACTLY what I noticed about the taste. It was VERY woody-tasting. It finished sweet, but before that there was even a wet paper flavor to it. I'm hoping he is right, and it DOESN'T stay that way.
Right before I tried it, I had poured a PVW 20Yr, and it was incredible. So for right now, i don't agree that JPS is "the closest thing to PVW you'll find..." as the guy who sold it to me said, but maybe it will grow on me. And hopefully it will lose that wet paper taste

squire
03-03-2013, 04:38
Hope so as well, please keep us informed.

Roscoe
03-04-2013, 11:32
Among other things, I'm the spirits manager for an upscale 3 store family owned chain. I was at a Fedway event in Atlantic City last year. Fedway is a large distributor that has the exclusive on BT, PVW and Jefferson. I had a long discussion with the regional distillery rep who told me about the blend (as I was sipping the Presidential at his table.) Also, he told me that they had extra bottles labeled 18yr that they put the 20 yr Presidential in. Actually, if you look, the little tag on the 18yr bottle says bottled in 1991.

Actually, the Presidential Select starts out from the old Stizel Weller batch (think Pappy.) However, they blend in a small amount of a bourbon with a high rye content (38%?) so it is a 4 grain; not 100% wheater. The last batch we had was bottled in 18yr bottles but the tag stated that it was bottled in 1991 so it is a 20yr. It's bottled at 94proof but drinks similar to the Pappy 15 107proof. A really nice pour.

Roscoe

smknjoe
03-04-2013, 11:57
Among other things, I'm the spirits manager for an upscale 3 store family owned chain. I was at a Fedway event in Atlantic City last year. Fedway is a large distributor that has the exclusive on BT, PVW and Jefferson. I had a long discussion with the regional distillery rep who told me about the blend (as I was sipping the Presidential at his table.) Also, he told me that they had extra bottles labeled 18yr that they put the 20 yr Presidential in. Actually, if you look, the little tag on the 18yr bottle says bottled in 1991.

Actually, the Presidential Select starts out from the old Stizel Weller batch (think Pappy.) However, they blend in a small amount of a bourbon with a high rye content (38%?) so it is a 4 grain; not 100% wheater. The last batch we had was bottled in 18yr bottles but the tag stated that it was bottled in 1991 so it is a 20yr. It's bottled at 94proof but drinks similar to the Pappy 15 107proof. A really nice pour.

Roscoe

This is why I hate going to Spec's was one of the first posts I made on this site. Because of misinformation like this. No offense to you Roscoe.

Roscoe
03-04-2013, 12:02
Well, that's the info I got from the distillery rep....have to go with it.

No offense taken,
Roscoe

smknjoe
03-04-2013, 12:18
Again welcome and I mean no offense, but here is why I said that.

1. They have no distillery for Jefferson's since they are a Non Distiller Producer. They buy their whiskey form other "unknown" distilleries and actually have someone else bottle it for them (KBD?) Not sure about the bottling part.
2. It was Distilled in 1991 and they started bottling the 17 in 2008/2009. The 18 in ~2009/2010. I don't know if they are still actively bottling the stuff.
3. On their website they even state that the whiskey is from S-W, but it's possible they blended. Haven't heard that one yet on this particular brand.

And you are right, you do have to take their word for it. They SHOULD know what they are talking about. It's been my experience they (distributors) don't many times even though they mean well.

Edit: Now I'm curious about the blending part since that's absolutely possible. I'll shoot an email to Trey Zoeller over at Castle Brands to see what he says.

Misinformation is rampant. I even saw where Jason over at sourmashmanifesto told a reader that ALL of the Jefferson brands were wheaters. JPS is the only wheater the rest are ryed.

Roscoe
03-04-2013, 13:12
I could be wrong on the distiller rep; rather he was a brand rep but not a distributor rep. I would be interested in what you find out from TZ at Castle Brands.

Roscoe

Borchard
03-04-2013, 14:34
Correct information IS tough to come by some times. Case in point; when I was trying to locate another bottle of PVW I was told by more than one proprietor that OVW was not being MADE any more?!? I later found out that this was crap, but this came from two, different people!

Borchard
03-04-2013, 14:37
...drinks similar to the Pappy 15 107proof. A really nice pour....
Roscoe

If you read my review of it above, you may have noticed that I got a strong hint of like wet wood. Someone else stated that this was their impression as well, but that it eventually got better. Is that WHILE I'm drinking it? Or will it eventually even out in the bottle, and that hint will go away?
Sorry for the newb questions...

squire
03-04-2013, 14:42
It should be pointed out the whisky Julian used to rebuild his family's Van Winkle brand was stock the family retained when they sold the Stitzel-Weller distillery in 1972.

The new owners made changes (dry packaged yeast, pressure cooking the mash) and other 'improvements' to 'streamline' (cheapen) the whisky making process.

The whisky make at SW in 1991 (about a year before closing) is considered to be lesser quality than what was made previously as the 'streamlined' version.

So to claim whisky made at SW in it's final years is the 'same as' or 'good as' that which was made when the Van Winkles owned the distillery is, well, misplaced to say the least.

smknjoe
03-04-2013, 15:36
If you read my review of it above, you may have noticed that I got a strong hint of like wet wood. Someone else stated that this was their impression as well, but that it eventually got better. Is that WHILE I'm drinking it? Or will it eventually even out in the bottle, and that hint will go away?
Sorry for the newb questions...

I think it was SFS that said that and he meant that it evened out in the bottle over time (in his case.) There are several threads with people saying the earlier batches weren't as woody. I don't know. Personally, I have some of the 17yr batch 3 and it's very good. Lot's of english toffee and some oak, but not too much.


So to claim whisky made at SW in it's final years is the 'same as' or 'good as' that which was made when the Van Winkles owned the distillery is, well, misplaced to say the least.

I haven't had anyone tell me it's the same stuff, but it would certainly be mileading. Kind of like saying that all Buffalo Trace whiskeys taste the same.

squire
03-04-2013, 15:42
Joe I was referring to recent posts about store owners/clerks making that sort of comment, not the illustrious members of this group.

squire
03-04-2013, 15:43
Though I wouldn't put it past a sales rep either.

smknjoe
03-04-2013, 15:47
I know what you meant. When I bought my bottle the sales person didn't try to tell me that it was "Pappy in a different bottle" like many other users here have experienced. The sales rep did mention that it was out of production whiskey though.

Borchard
03-05-2013, 18:39
Ok, tonight it seems totally different. I added a few very small rocks, waited for several minutes after I poured, and my JPS 18 is wonderful! Holy crap!

MarkRuck
03-05-2013, 19:10
Glad to hear Borchard. I have enjoyed several bottles and a couple different batches of the JPS18 and not been disappointed yet.

Sometimes it pays to think outside the box a little. drinking it neat is not always the best way. I will always taste a bourbon first neat, but I will explore from there.

White Dog
03-05-2013, 19:26
Correct information IS tough to come by some times. Case in point; when I was trying to locate another bottle of PVW I was told by more than one proprietor that OVW was not being MADE any more?!? I later found out that this was crap, but this came from two, different people!

Slow down. When you say OVW, I assume you mean ORVW, or Old Rip Van Winkle? They did, indeed, cease bottling the 10yr 90pr, but will continue to bottle the 10yr 107pr, so I can see where there is conflicting out there. Retailers, wholesalers, and supplier reps come in all levels of quality(Just as lawyers, teachers, waiters and professional golfers do.). Your best bet is to search this board for the most thorough information.

Borchard
03-05-2013, 19:48
Slow down. When you say OVW, I assume you mean ORVW, or Old Rip Van Winkle? They did, indeed, cease bottling the 10yr 90pr, but will continue to bottle the 10yr 107pr, so I can see where there is conflicting out there. Retailers, wholesalers, and supplier reps come in all levels of quality(Just as lawyers, teachers, waiters and professional golfers do.). Your best bet is to search this board for the most thorough information.

Sorry about that. I should have read my post before posting. I meant Pappy Van Winkle, not ORVW. Sorry for the confusion.

Meruck
03-05-2013, 20:48
There can be no doubt about the quality and richness of the SW juice pre-72 as compared to after that. An Old Fitz, or even Rebel Yell from the VW era is an unmistakable pour, not to mention the OW107. The post 72 through 92 production has only but a memory of the real stuff. I would put the OW107 up against ANY bottle of today. But then that's just one guys opinion and you know what that's worth.

T Comp
03-05-2013, 21:54
There can be no doubt about the quality and richness of the SW juice pre-72 as compared to after that. An Old Fitz, or even Rebel Yell from the VW era is an unmistakable pour, not to mention the OW107. The post 72 through 92 production has only but a memory of the real stuff. I would put the OW107 up against ANY bottle of today. But then that's just one guys opinion and you know what that's worth.

My first name is not Thomas but I'm a doubter :grin:. I think there is great tasting post '72 DSP-16 bourbon including some probably distilled in the late 80's. Gold veined OWA's are some of my favorites and even one with an anchor bottle imprint as late as '95 (which had a faux tax strip? And could have been from DSP-113 :lol:). There was a 90 proof Cabin Still brought to the gazebo last year by Bobby Cox which I recall was post '72 distilled and a favorite of many among many. You still only had 2 master distillers after 1970, Woody Wilson and Ed Foote starting in '83. Not saying there weren't the changes and it all was stellar but those MD's were still working some magic. Of course I'm also somebody who doesn't taste a difference from the "air" time needed for wheaters that many speak to here.

amftx
03-06-2013, 07:24
Is everyone else seeing the current bottlings/releases sans-red wax seal?

I have yet to taste this one, but I am looking forward to it.

clingman71
03-06-2013, 19:18
Whiskey is for drinking, enjoy it!

Word!




An unopened bottle is an unfulfilled promise.

This may be my new favorite bourbon related statement!



Among other things, I'm the spirits manager for an upscale 3 store family owned chain. I was at a Fedway event in Atlantic City last year. Fedway is a large distributor that has the exclusive on BT, PVW and Jefferson. I had a long discussion with the regional distillery rep who told me about the blend (as I was sipping the Presidential at his table.) Also, he told me that they had extra bottles labeled 18yr that they put the 20 yr Presidential in. Actually, if you look, the little tag on the 18yr bottle says bottled in 1991.

Actually, the Presidential Select starts out from the old Stizel Weller batch (think Pappy.) However, they blend in a small amount of a bourbon with a high rye content (38%?) so it is a 4 grain; not 100% wheater. The last batch we had was bottled in 18yr bottles but the tag stated that it was bottled in 1991 so it is a 20yr. It's bottled at 94proof but drinks similar to the Pappy 15 107proof. A really nice pour.

Roscoe
It was distilled in 1991, not bottled. I have read that they have tanked this bourbon, if so, whatever age is was at the time of hitting the stainless is its age forever. 18 y/o labels are fine so long as it is at least 18 y/o juice. I have not heard about any blending as of yet, always a possibility as the SW stocks run out, inevitable.


Again welcome and I mean no offense, but here is why I said that.

1. They have no distillery for Jefferson's since they are a Non Distiller Producer. They buy their whiskey form other "unknown" distilleries and actually have someone else bottle it for them (KBD?) Not sure about the bottling part.
2. It was Distilled in 1991 and they started bottling the 17 in 2008/2009. The 18 in ~2009/2010. I don't know if they are still actively bottling the stuff.
3. On their website they even state that the whiskey is from S-W, but it's possible they blended. Haven't heard that one yet on this particular brand.

And you are right, you do have to take their word for it. They SHOULD know what they are talking about. It's been my experience they (distributors) don't many times even though they mean well.

Edit: Now I'm curious about the blending part since that's absolutely possible. I'll shoot an email to Trey Zoeller over at Castle Brands to see what he says.

Misinformation is rampant. I even saw where Jason over at sourmashmanifesto told a reader that ALL of the Jefferson brands were wheaters. JPS is the only wheater the rest are ryed.

I just read the entire Sour mash Manifesto JPS thread, I saw nothing about all Jeff brands being wheated. He says "the distillery is known for their wheated bourbon mashbill", he is referring to SW, not Jefferson's.


There can be no doubt about the quality and richness of the SW juice pre-72 as compared to after that. An Old Fitz, or even Rebel Yell from the VW era is an unmistakable pour, not to mention the OW107. The post 72 through 92 production has only but a memory of the real stuff. I would put the OW107 up against ANY bottle of today. But then that's just one guys opinion and you know what that's worth.

I have a '64-'71 OW107, maybe the best bourbon I've ever had. But, I've had late '70's-'80's Weller that was very close. I agree that the pre-sale 1972 SW is better, but "The post 72 through 92 production has only but a memory of the real stuff." seems a bit of an exageration to me. There is/was some excellent '72-'92 SW bourbon out there.

smknjoe
03-06-2013, 20:17
Cling read the last response Jason made in Jan of this year.

clingman71
03-06-2013, 20:21
I missed the connection between the question and his response, good catch.

Meruck
03-06-2013, 20:48
I have a '64-'71 OW107, maybe the best bourbon I've ever had. But, I've had late '70's-'80's Weller that was very close. I agree that the pre-sale 1972 SW is better, but "The post 72 through 92 production has only but a memory of the real stuff." seems a bit of an exageration to me. There is/was some excellent '72-'92 SW bourbon out there.

Clingman, I had some misgivings about that statement after posted it. Your correct, it is too strong. But based on your post I think you would agree that the current releases of SW juice being touted as ultra premiums (and they are) come in second place to the mid class per-72s. I have had the pleasure of the entire public runs save the VVXOF 15 year (Public being the commercial brands) and the OW107 top three all time for me. I find it largely depends on my mood and per-pour pallet condition. I actually finished a bottle last night. They simply don't last as long as I wish they would, but then I'm weak.

Bmac
03-06-2013, 20:59
I am going to offer my two-cents on the subject. I bunkered as many JPS18 as I could. I toured a bottle through many a party. I converted people who hate bourbon into loving this bourbon. 3 people demanded I sell them my bottles. Again, these were scotch and vodka snobs who hated bourbon, and think it's a homeless man's drink of choice. With such an attitude, I refused to sell them my bottle. But it goes to show that even though the SW stocks they use, as not being PVW quality, it's still kick @$$ bourbon. Some of the best available. Two cents...well spent...

Meruck
03-06-2013, 21:04
I'll see your 2 and raise you 3 more. I too have bunkered as much as I can, thanks to my brother that is. It may not be my most best favorite, but it is "fine bourbon".

amftx
03-07-2013, 04:31
There's a 21 year coming this April.

Diesel
03-07-2013, 05:20
Will the 21yo be cut with a rye bourbon too like the 18yo? Was the 17yo cut or was it straight S-W juice?

squire
03-07-2013, 05:27
Who knows? We can only see the screen, the wizard remains behind the curtain.

clingman71
03-07-2013, 06:08
Clingman, I had some misgivings about that statement after posted it. Your correct, it is too strong. But based on your post I think you would agree that the current releases of SW juice being touted as ultra premiums (and they are) come in second place to the mid class per-72s. I have had the pleasure of the entire public runs save the VVXOF 15 year (Public being the commercial brands) and the OW107 top three all time for me. I find it largely depends on my mood and per-pour pallet condition. I actually finished a bottle last night. They simply don't last as long as I wish they would, but then I'm weak.

I agree, but possibly don't feel the gap is so big as to not enjoy the most recent. It's all good, some was beyond good.


I am going to offer my two-cents on the subject. I bunkered as many JPS18 as I could. I toured a bottle through many a party. I converted people who hate bourbon into loving this bourbon. 3 people demanded I sell them my bottles. Again, these were scotch and vodka snobs who hated bourbon, and think it's a homeless man's drink of choice. With such an attitude, I refused to sell them my bottle. But it goes to show that even though the SW stocks they use, as not being PVW quality, it's still kick @$$ bourbon. Some of the best available. Two cents...well spent...


I'll see your 2 and raise you 3 more. I too have bunkered as much as I can, thanks to my brother that is. It may not be my most best favorite, but it is "fine bourbon".

Exactly. I find my TPS selected JPS18s to be superior to current PVW 15 and at least the equal of current PVW 20, my $.02.


The notion of wheated bourbon being blended with rye is questionble to me, at least with the earlier bottlings. The new JPS 21 doesn't mention wheat at all on thee label from he pics I've seen.

p_elliott
03-07-2013, 09:19
There's a 21 year coming this April.

What butt are they pulling these barrels out of because they only had 400 of them 3 years or 4 years ago. They are now 21 years old there are not that many bottles in a 21 yr old barrel. I do believe something is a miss.

Wryguy
03-07-2013, 09:23
What butt are they pulling these barrels out of because they only had 400 of them 3 years or 4 years ago. They are now 21 years old there are not that many bottles in a 21 yr old barrel. I do believe something is a miss.

The new JPS21 is decidedly not SW juice. As to its provenance, anyone's best guess is probably better than mine.

squire
03-07-2013, 09:29
They're just playing the only tune they know Paul. Of the millions of gallons of Bourbon aging away in warehouses in Kentucky I'm sure there a few old barrels available for a price.

p_elliott
03-07-2013, 09:42
They're just playing the only tune they know Paul. Of the millions of gallons of Bourbon aging away in warehouses in Kentucky I'm sure there a few old barrels available for a price.

So they are being actively deceptive because in the past people associated this whiskey with SW.

clingman71
03-07-2013, 09:48
This is just an observation, no inside info to back it up. Who of the major distillers today has any stock of aged whiskey? The only two that come to mind are HH & BT(AA mash bill or early BT mashbill?). The only other possibility I can think of is "found " barrels of a closed distillery, not SW. They stated 21-24 y/o whiskeys blended together in the new JPS 21. So the question is: what distilleries ceased production '88-'92?

squire
03-07-2013, 14:45
That's an inside baseball question clingman. The short answer is all the majors have aged stock but more to your point when SW stopped distilling in 91-92 they didn't empty the warehouses so how much aged whisky is still there? That answer is not yet apparent.

MyOldKyDram
03-07-2013, 14:56
I read that it's a rye recipe bourbon, so it's really anyone's guess what the hell this stuff is.

clingman71
03-07-2013, 15:35
That's an inside baseball question clingman. The short answer is all the majors have aged stock but more to your point when SW stopped distilling in 91-92 they didn't empty the warehouses so how much aged whisky is still there? That answer is not yet apparent.

If all the majors have aged (15+year) stock, most are hiding it well. Beam just announced a 12 year, Maker's doesn't seem to care about anything over 7ish, if that, 4R has some for LEs and Gift Shop bottlings, Turkey may have some, they've had some mid-teen releases. This leaves BT and HH, who consistently seem to have aged stock. Between VW, Weller and Old Fitz through the '90's and early 2000's, and recently JPS 17&18, how much SW could be left. Remember, the SW stocks were still being pulled from until Bernheim and BT/Weller wheated distillate were ready. It is one thing to have had warehouses full of barrels when production ceased, but 20+ years have passed. With ultra-aged whiskeys being a hot item right now, and in seemingly very limited supply, I would think if Beam, Maker's, Turkey, or 4R had any real amount of aged stock(15+), they'd bottle and sell it at a premium price. With everyone clamoring for Pappy 15, 20, and 23, and there not being nearly enough supply for the demand, this would be a lucrative opportunity for anyone with aged stock.

I still wonder about other distilleries who ceased production in that era beyond SW. I don't have the knowledge of bourbon history as some here do.

A thought just popped in the old head, could this be HH barrels that were originally slated for EC18, aged longer for EC20, but didn't make the cut when barrels were selected?

jeffrey r
03-07-2013, 16:04
On FB today in announcing the 21, Jefferson's said not a wheater, not S-W, and priced around $120.

Tico
03-07-2013, 16:14
Wow, considering the ridiculous prices of the aged michters releases recently, $120 seems pretty tame generally speaking for a 21 yr old bourbon

Bmac
03-07-2013, 21:40
For the 21 year, i would place my bets on Heaven Hill. I saw a video interview recently where they talked to the Master Distiller and he claimed to have 30 year bourbon aging away in the lower regions. I doubt BT has enough 20+ year juice to provide it. They would keep all that for GTS batching.

mosugoji64
03-08-2013, 08:16
For the 21 year, i would place my bets on Heaven Hill. I saw a video interview recently where they talked to the Master Distiller and he claimed to have 30 year bourbon aging away in the lower regions. I doubt BT has enough 20+ year juice to provide it. They would keep all that for GTS batching.

I recall them talking about their ancient barrels when we toured a couple of years ago. I thought, "Would that even be drinkable?" Anyone here tried bourbon in the 30+ range? Thoughts?

p_elliott
03-08-2013, 09:29
Before I plopped down $120 I better know a hell of a lot more about this whiskey or had a try of it. I don't care if they said it came out of king Tut's tomb.

squire
03-08-2013, 13:41
Clingman my thoughts are the major distillers have been making whisky since Prohibition (Brown-Forman never stopped) and over the last 75+ years, yes, there is some old stock around but only they can say what they're doing with it.

Smokewagon
03-10-2013, 17:35
Will the 21yo be cut with a rye bourbon too like the 18yo? Was the 17yo cut or was it straight S-W juice?

I know the bottle of Pres Select I purchased wasn't cut, it's a single barrel version, picked by and and bottled for the Loch & K(e)y Society. It was pretty dang tasty, I nabbed a bottle during Go Whisky Weekend, and I'm hoping to nab another before it is all gone.

As a side note, the L&K group can really pick out some fantastic barrels. Of everything I purchased during GWW, 80% were single barrels with L&K labels. I'm hoping to get in on their next bourbon barrel picking trip (Would love to go on their next Scotch barrel trip too).

~SW

smknjoe
03-10-2013, 17:50
Will the 21yo be cut with a rye bourbon too like the 18yo? Was the 17yo cut or was it straight S-W juice?

Who says that the 17 and 18 were blended (other than one person that got his info second hand?) Jefferson's has been a strickly ryed bourbon brand anyway except for the 17 and 18 yr. So, I would assume all of their bourbons were ryed unless stated otherwise.


On FB today in announcing the 21, Jefferson's said not a wheater, not S-W, and priced around $120.

HighHorse
03-10-2013, 18:35
Before I plopped down $120 I better know a hell of a lot more about this whiskey or had a try of it. I don't care if they said it came out of king Tut's tomb.

Agreed. I'm looking at delicious offerings in line for purchase at the $80-$90 level - bunkerable. The JPS18 is one as is the 2012 FRSMLE. $120 and others higher than that will just have to be ready pickin's for the wealthy 1%!

squire
03-11-2013, 09:45
Getting back on topic I think after 7 pages the opening post has been answered.

Borchard
03-12-2013, 18:20
This is now becoming one of my all-time favorite bourbons

Borchard
03-13-2013, 07:43
I guess it's just that some things grow on you. The JPS 18 STILL has that woody taste that was a little off-putting when i first tried it, but now I actually see it as a defining characteristic that I am starting to enjoy, and that i DON'T taste in other bourbons.

WsmataU
03-28-2013, 10:15
Who says that the 17 and 18 were blended (other than one person that got his info second hand?) Jefferson's has been a strickly ryed bourbon brand anyway except for the 17 and 18 yr. So, I would assume all of their bourbons were ryed unless stated otherwise.

Joe, this is news to me. I was under the impression that Jefferson's has generally used primarily wheated bourbon for their bottlings. In fact that is the reason I actively seek out older dusty Jefferson's Reserve with the 15 yr age statement. It was one of my first "premium" bourbons...and I don't really care for rye. I can pick it up pretty quickly and avoid high rye content boubons (I blame a bad experience with Wild Turkey in my younger days....but that is a different story).:grin:

Richnimrod
03-30-2013, 06:58
Not wishing to trash anyone's efforts; and always mindful of the reputation (hard-won; easily lost) I have to say the one and only bottle of JeffPresSelect I ever risked alot of money on was a huge disappointment to me personally. I can't say if many or few others would've been so un-moved; but I sure was. Veeeeery red color, overarching scent of rancid walnuts, the only flavor was also rancid; I guess kinda walnutty, too. I can't recall if it was 17 or 18 year old juice; but at $90 it wasn't even a good mixer. Again, I hate to be so negative in a public forum; and I will say; to their credit, the Jefferson folks offered to replace the bottle (however, not worth doing, as I bought it 960 miles from home).

squire
03-30-2013, 09:15
No harm in stating your experience Rich, you're not the only member here who has found Jefferson not worth the price.

Borchard
03-31-2013, 06:44
It may have just been a bad bottle or maybe you just don't like that particular bourbon. Sounds more like it was a bad bottle. When I first opened my bottle of JPS18 I didn't particularly like it. As I have said above it had a very woody taste that I didn't initially like. The morei drank it though, the better it got. Don't know why.
i have a friend who really likes $c0tch, and one of his favorites is Laphroag. I absolutely despise it! It smells like iodine, and tastes like dirt. But he loves it