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Enoch
03-13-2013, 06:21
It seems to me that these use the same mashbill, vary from almost 90 to 100 proof, and NAS and yet run in price from $25 to $50. I have all four and cannot tell much difference. Is there much difference between them except barrel selection?

Edit: I mean Hancock's not Jefferson's. What happens when I should be working.

HighInTheMtns
03-13-2013, 06:30
Hancock's PR right? Not Jefferson's? Yes those all use the same mashbill. All are single barrel, all are NAS. They differ in barrel selection, proof, and probably somewhat in age. I believe that Blanton's in particular comes from one warehouse only. For myself, factoring in price, I'd choose ETL.

This is pretty well standard practice - every distillery save for MM releases the same distillate in many iterations.

squire
03-13-2013, 06:42
Elmer Lee and Rock Hills are made by Buffalo Trace, share the same mashbill and display a related nature in their profiles. ETL is sweeter and shows flavors associated with a darker style and Rock Hills is more complex and sophisticated, two brothers who pursued different paths, as it were.. These two show what can be done by Master Blenders who have a number of barrels to choose from which in the case of Buffalo Trace means millions of gallons.

The company who produces the Jefferson brand buy their whisky from others and do not disclose their source(s) so what's in the bottle is a mystery and there is no assurance the next run will not be sourced from a different supplier.

Enoch
03-13-2013, 06:47
Hancock's PR right? Not Jefferson's? Yes those all use the same mashbill. All are single barrel, all are NAS. They differ in barrel selection, proof, and probably somewhat in age. I believe that Blanton's in particular comes from one warehouse only. For myself, factoring in price, I'd choose ETL.

This is pretty well standard practice - every distillery save for MM releases the same distillate in many iterations.

Sorry, I meant Hancock's PR. And I usually drink ETL. It is the one thing that is cheaper in Virginia than SC and is often on sale for $24.99 so I pick up a couple of bottles when I'm up there. I always keep Blanton's out of sentimentality because it was the first bourbon I tasted in my modern era (30 years after college). Tried it in a small riverfront bar in Frankfort and decided to switch from Scotch. I don't think Hancock's or RHF is worth the difference. JMHO

squire
03-13-2013, 07:00
Hancock is one I've never figured out. Like the politician it's named for it seem to try to please everybody while being unremarkable compared to the others. A high grade, well polished whisky that doesn't offend and presents in a wooden box that wraps well as a gift.

Pleasant but innocuous, a house pet rather than a hunting dog.

clingman71
03-13-2013, 14:01
All AA mashbill. Hard to beat ETL, especially considering price. AAA same mashbill too, last year's TPS selection was very good, although it actually still does have an AS.

OscarV
03-13-2013, 14:16
I dropped all those brands a long time ago.
Except for a few of the BTAC BT basically blows grass and pine.

darylld911
03-13-2013, 15:55
I've never done side-by-side comparisons across them (actually never tried Hancocks PR), but I thought both Blanton and RHF were over-priced. I do like ETL (as well as AAA), and ever thought much about what they all have in common, but for enjoyment-per-dollar I would go with ETL or AAA.

black mamba
03-14-2013, 14:16
I find ETL and Hancock's to be similar, sweet citrus being the main theme, while Blanton's and RHF are darker and more complex, more dry and woody, probably older or more intensely positioned in the warehouse. Depending on mood, I think all are equally worth their price.

squire
03-14-2013, 14:32
Gary I've done comparison tastings of all four on my own and in group tastings I hosted. The consensus mirrors what mamba said above and the reason FHF and Blantons cost more is the packaging. Having said that RHF is one of the best Bourbons I've ever tasted.

MyOldKyDram
03-14-2013, 14:49
Rock Hill is certainly my fave of the bunch, by a fairly wide margin, even if I don't always have it handy. ETL and AAA on the other hand can always be found at my house.

squire
03-14-2013, 14:52
Also you can have an ETL and a AAA for the price of one RHF.

smknjoe
03-14-2013, 16:08
Rock Hill is certainly my fave of the bunch, by a fairly wide margin, even if I don't always have it handy. ETL and AAA on the other hand can always be found at my house.

I still haven't tried RHF...


Also you can have an ETL and a AAA for the price of one RHF.

...because I can get almost 2 bottles of ETL for the same price. Guess I need to bite the bullet and get some.

darylld911
03-14-2013, 16:21
Maybe I just didn't have a good pour of RHF (or it was after too many good pours . . . which could have been the case!) I've tried Blantons more than once, and each time thought it was OK, but not worth the money - but maybe need to give RHF another shot!

squire
03-14-2013, 16:25
It's all good Gary, I will cheerfully drink any of them.

Kyjd75
03-14-2013, 16:56
Of this mash bill, AAA 10 yr and RHF are my favorites.

WAINWRIGHT
03-14-2013, 17:11
I figured most would say Blanton's by a landslide,I would also have to say RHF's is my pick of the bunch.I have had some that are a bit grassy,but others that are just really great with a sour apple note that I've never had in any other bourbon that always stays fresh in my mind.I think the Hancock's is ultra fruity and and the oddity to the group,not bad just not to my taste.I will also have to agree with the group as AAA 10yr is a great value pour and one I almost always have on hand,open and ready to pour!

humchan2k
03-14-2013, 18:10
Having said that RHF is one of the best Bourbons I've ever tasted.

I knew I loved Squire, I just knew it. I'm 100% with you, man. RHF is my favorite bourbon out there, it's so complex and delish. I really want K&L to do another private barrel selection of it.....man, that makes me thirsty just thinking about it.

Pieface
03-14-2013, 18:37
I'm not surprised to see Blanton's not getting much oxygen WW. It's always been a label here that gets slated with the too expensive tag.

My terms of reference are a bit limited as I've only had the Blanton's and the RHF. Not too interested in the ~$90 buy in on ETL here to expand my experience :rolleyes:

RHF is undoubtedly the more complex whiskey for me but I think Blanton's excels in what it tries to be. I'm reaching for the Blanton's 4:1 compared to RHF because the Blanton's is just such a good "comfort" bourbon. RHF seems a more challenging pour that if not given due attention you miss a lot of what is going on in the glass.

These days I guess I prefer to drink whiskey more than I like to taste whiskey.

Brisko
03-19-2013, 09:14
I do have a fondness for the Age mashbill but I don't buy it that often. I've had a bottle of RHF open since November and it is deep and complex but very subtle. Almost muted in a way. I thought it might open up with time but it hasn't yet. I just bought a ETL last week, though, and it drinks bigger than that RHF, even at lower proof. Now obviously single barrel variations may play a role, but to compare these two, I would say, I like the what this RHF aspires to, but I think the ETL is better executed.

I do love the RHF decanter bottle. That will get refilled with other juice once it's gone.

squire
03-19-2013, 09:46
Which is the best use for that bottle.

SFS
03-19-2013, 19:54
Agreed................................

Richnimrod
04-17-2013, 03:51
Anybody else find Blanton's a bit "oily" as to mouthfeel??? :rolleyes: Maybe it's just me. Anyway I didn't care much for that aspect of a pretty high-priced bourbon; I found that to be "off-putting". Most times I like ETL very well, and find it to be big, bold, well-done and a good value; although the last bottle I picked up seemed a little green and grassy, and had a slight sour apple under-taste. That is a disappointment I've not encountered before with ETL.

black mamba
04-17-2013, 21:50
ETL does change a bit from bottle to bottle, as should be expected from a single barrel. But when it's good, it's real good and underpriced.

suntour
04-19-2013, 00:15
The local liquor store had a pick of three barrels, one was said to have that kind of that oil-rag/rope/box flavor I've gotten in some BT products, and the other two were sublime. Obviously I've only tasted the one they said they thought best but man is it good. It actually is interesting to taste blind/side-by-side with Blanton's. Sometimes I think it has a nicer sweetness where I might find a twinge of nutrisweet in Blanton's occasionally. I also want to taste these side-by-side with AAA10yr, which I hopefully have a line on.

They also had multiples cases of hand-picked ER that I missed out on, figuring it'd be there for awhile. Nope. Gone in like a week.

Special Reserve
04-19-2013, 05:25
Anybody else find Blanton's a bit "oily" as to mouthfeel??? :rolleyes: Maybe it's just me. Anyway I didn't care much for that aspect of a pretty high-priced bourbon; I found that to be "off-putting". Most times I like ETL very well, and find it to be big, bold, well-done and a good value; although the last bottle I picked up seemed a little green and grassy, and had a slight sour apple under-taste. That is a disappointment I've not encountered before with ETL.

I haven't had a Blanton's lately, but I usually like the oily mouth feel.

Will

michang5
04-19-2013, 07:05
Interesting thread. My favorite after 2-1/2 months of buying and trying as many bourbons as humanly possible is Rock Hill Farms. I've got less than a half bottle left.

I saw a bottle of Elmer T. Lee earlier this week at a store across town. It's the first bottle I've come across. I was debating whether to drive back today and pick it up. It might help stretch that bottle of RHF out a little longer...

WhiskeyExperimen
04-19-2013, 09:02
Interesting thread. My favorite after 2-1/2 months of buying and trying as many bourbons as humanly possible is Rock Hill Farms. I've got less than a half bottle left.

I saw a bottle of Elmer T. Lee earlier this week at a store across town. It's the first bottle I've come across. I was debating whether to drive back today and pick it up. It might help stretch that bottle of RHF out a little longer...

Definitely worth going back and buying. ETL tastes noticeably younger than RHF or Blanton's. In particular, I get a lot of grilled fruit flavors from ETL. I mostly prefer it over the older, more expensive expressions. The main downside for me is the oak finish - it's more pronounced and lingers longer than in the other expressions. I'm guessing that's why they don't let it age longer. If they did, the oak would be overpowering.

black mamba
04-19-2013, 15:23
Suntour, I think you need a pretty decent palate to taste even side-by-side and find much difference in ETL and AAA10yr. The flavor profiles are almost exactly the same, with the ETL having that extra something that is hard to put words to. I would not be surprised at all to find out that AAA10 yr is just the barrels NOT picked for ETL, mingled and bottled at the same age. They are that close.

michang5
04-19-2013, 20:39
So I stopped and picked up a bottle of ETL ($32 plus tax). Drank a bit in the afternoon and just went back for an evening pour. Good stuff and I can see why people like it.

Out of curiosity, I had a half pour of RHF afterward to see if I could tell the difference. I definitely could.

I want to do a blind side-by-side with more detailed notes, but I can sum up the major difference in this way:

- ETL is a very nice taste experience on the front 1/3rd, but it just drops off the chart in the middle 1/3rd, before ending with a nice warm finish. It's as if you're driving along nicely and suddenly your car disappears. There seems to be nothing there, and then it reappears a mile down the road. Very odd, but I noticed this on each sip and pour.

- RHF is similar in the early ride, but the drive continues down the windy, scenic route -- all the way down the mountain side. The nice finish is there, as well. There is a clear build-up, then middle leg, followed by a denouement. A fantastic progression.

I do want to note that my bottle of RHF was on sale for about $38 + tax. Normally it's in the $45 range. While I like the ETL, I think I would buy RHF at $7-15 more.

ratcheer
04-20-2013, 07:17
Wow. I would buy all the RHF I could find at $45. The least I have ever paid for it was $50, but usually it's $55-60, if I can even find it.

Tim

Flyfish
04-25-2013, 16:10
Suntour, I think you need a pretty decent palate to taste even side-by-side and find much difference in ETL and AAA10yr. The flavor profiles are almost exactly the same, with the ETL having that extra something that is hard to put words to. I would not be surprised at all to find out that AAA10 yr is just the barrels NOT picked for ETL, mingled and bottled at the same age. They are that close.
I think you hit it. ETL seems a little richer to me but the AAA is a marvelous daily pour. It is probably revealing of a bourbonista's psychology, but I tend to buy ETL when I see it just because it is so hard to come by in my state. On the other hand, I buy AAA by the handle every time I am in KY.

dcbt
03-02-2014, 12:05
Thought I'd revisit this thread with the new ETL hitting the shelves this month. I thought about it yesterday, ETL vs Blantons, both are now 93 proof, single barrel, NAS, same mash bill... So what IS the difference? I actually googled, "What is the difference between Elmer T Lee and Blantons" and this thread was the first search result... Maybe where they are stored? That's the main difference between Blantons and RHF (plus a slight difference in proof).

sailor22
03-03-2014, 06:50
Yup, RHF, ETL and Blanton's are more alike than dissimilar. That mash bill yeast and warehouse combination must be right in my wheelhouse because I find the juice very much to my taste. The current standard shelf offerings of all three taste younger and a click thinner/hotter than the older ones but all three have the potential of being especially delicious whiskeys if picked as single barrels by discerning palates. The Blanton's "Paris by Day" that was bottled last fall for a retailer in Paris was a very good pour and some of the ETL single barrel picks I have tasted have been likewise delicious. JMHO - YMMV.

Quantum
03-03-2014, 07:48
Elmer T Lee is so good that I would name a child after it. The fact that it shares a large portions of my grandfathers name means that there is a solid chance it might happen someday.

Merrymash Monk
03-07-2014, 06:54
Lately I've noticed most of the BT bourbons do indeed have a similarity, and one that I'm not crazy about. There seems to be a strong wood bitter and char characteristic that for me throws things out of balance. I recently noticed it after I opened a bottle of ETL that just didn't seem up to par. Granted, its a single barrel so there are going to be variations. But that bitter wood and char note is something I've also noticed a lot in BT and ER; also in Stagg Jr and WLR but since those are unfiltered barrel strength and so complex, the note blends in alright. . This could all be my palate, but its just something that I'd never really picked up on in bottlings from say- a year or two ago.