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straightwhiskeyruffneck
03-27-2013, 18:27
Seen this on their website. Looks like you have to buy a whole barrel, then they bottle the lot at 90 proof.
Looks interesting, wonder if they'd bottle the juice at barrel proof?
id be willing to go in on a barrel if that were so

BigBoldBully
03-27-2013, 19:00
When I saw this on the ttb, I assumed it was going to come out in bottles so I ran out and bought more birthday for fear of increased popularity and price. Good to hear it's this format (for now at least) instead. Shame they won't let you pick a proof above 90 for bottling "your" barrel, though.

beerbrewer2000
03-28-2013, 11:47
I don't post normally, but this has my interest. If enough enthusiasm exists, I'd definitely consider going in on a barrel for a case or two!

gburger
03-28-2013, 12:54
I saw that each barrel yields 220-240 bottles. If you take the 230 as an average and $7,500 as the average price for a barrel, each bottle would cost $32-35 each.
Not sure how many per case, if it is 12 that would be around 19 cases or around $400 per case. So 19 people would have to pony up.
I'm in for a case.

mosugoji64
03-28-2013, 14:07
If we could pick something that tasted more like Bonded OF, this would be a very good idea. If it's just a spunkier version of current OF, I'll pass.

squire
03-28-2013, 14:10
Single barrel would by definition be BIB wouldn't it? Presuming it was made during one of the distilling seasons.

Jonny.Applebury
03-28-2013, 14:20
Since they're bottling it at 90 proof it isn't eligible to be labeled "Bottled in Bond."

mosugoji64
03-28-2013, 14:43
Yeah, it wouldn't be 100 proof, but I was referring to the flavor profile. I love that old Bonded OF profile and find that current OF pales by comparison. Not that it's bad, just not the same.

Jonny.Applebury
03-28-2013, 14:52
Yeah, it wouldn't be 100 proof, but I was referring to the flavor profile. I love that old Bonded OF profile and find that current OF pales by comparison. Not that it's bad, just not the same.

I was replying to squire. :grin:

squire
03-28-2013, 15:04
Seems to me BF could use any label for which it has approval, which would actually include the old BIB label if they still have a box of those around.

callmeox
03-28-2013, 15:20
Seems to me BF could use any label for which it has approval, which would actually include the old BIB label if they still have a box of those around.

They already have an approved label.

http://oldforester.com/Single-Barrel.aspx

squire
03-28-2013, 15:26
Yes, I understand, this is their program and their packaging. I'm just saying they could use another label if the customer wanted 100 proof. Whether they will or won't makes no difference to me, at that price I'll stay with the standard Signature brand.

callmeox
03-28-2013, 15:34
I'm not sure where the 7500/barrel number came from and I'm certainly not the barrel buying expert, but my understanding is that one doesn't work backward from a barrel price on these releases. Pricing for those I've been involved with worked out at (unit price) x (bottle yield) and the unit price was determined by the retailer and wholesaler.

Jonny.Applebury
03-28-2013, 15:55
Seems to me BF could use any label for which it has approval, which would actually include the old BIB label if they still have a box of those around.

Not if they bottle it at 90 proof.

HighInTheMtns
03-28-2013, 18:22
Not if they bottle it at 90 proof.
Squire's point is that if B-F wanted to offer a private barrel bottled as OF Sig, they could. It's their choice not to bottle the single barrels at 100 proof, separate from any label approval.

squire
03-28-2013, 18:35
Why 90 proof anyway? Is this some marketing move toward lower proof expressions?

callmeox
03-28-2013, 18:45
Why 90 proof anyway? Is this some marketing move toward lower proof expressions?

Its 4 points higher than standard OF.

gburger
03-28-2013, 19:54
I got the price from watching Chris Morris being interviewed. He said the barrel cost is around $7,500. I just did some guessing on the math.

tanstaafl2
03-28-2013, 20:39
I got the price from watching Chris Morris being interviewed. He said the barrel cost is around $7,500. I just did some guessing on the math.

I seem to recall Bernie Lubbers saying last night at the HH tasting that at Heaven Hill they had about $125 in each barrel at the start. Don't know if that includes the barrel! And it probably doesn't include employees and overhead. Still, in 4 years that seems like a pretty decent profit!

squire
03-29-2013, 12:48
A whole 4 points higher? Where's my checkbook.

callmeox
03-29-2013, 13:30
A whole 4 points higher? Where's my checkbook.

You asked about a marketing move toward lower proof expressions and this is obviously not the case. Fans of Old Forester who purchase a barrel will get more bourbon and less water than the standard bottling.

It is not the Old Forester Signature single barrel program, but I suspect that if it was there would still be complaints about it.

squire
03-29-2013, 14:02
Recon I'll just have to be content with the Signature then.

straightwhiskeyruffneck
03-31-2013, 01:10
Im contacting B-F to see if we can get it bottled at barrel proof. Why the hell not?

squire
03-31-2013, 12:44
Why indeed, we don't get what we don't ask for.

brettckeen
03-31-2013, 13:00
Yeah, it wouldn't be 100 proof, but I was referring to the flavor profile. I love that old Bonded OF profile and find that current OF pales by comparison. Not that it's bad, just not the same.

Had that last night, chocolate, malt balls, coffee... yum

qman22
04-02-2013, 06:33
Im contacting B-F to see if we can get it bottled at barrel proof. Why the hell not?


Did you ever hear anything back?

WsmataU
04-02-2013, 09:08
Did you ever hear anything back?

OK, you've peaked my curiosity. I'm not ready to sign up for a whole case, but I'm good for a few bottles.

straightwhiskeyruffneck
04-02-2013, 11:04
Have'nt heard anything back yet.

cowdery
04-02-2013, 17:52
They have the exact same program with Jack Daniel's and the Woodford program is similar, except it has to be a mixture of two barrels.

Another way to approach this, if you're interested, is to prod your whiskey monger to do it. Not as much personal involvement, but a much lower investment.

cowdery
04-02-2013, 17:54
I seem to recall Bernie Lubbers saying last night at the HH tasting that at Heaven Hill they had about $125 in each barrel at the start. Don't know if that includes the barrel! And it probably doesn't include employees and overhead. Still, in 4 years that seems like a pretty decent profit!

That's about what the barrel costs, so either he meant exclusive of the barrel, or was just talking about the barrel. He also must have meant exclusive of taxes.

BTW, Forester was originally spelling with two "r"s but was changed to one after Dr. Forrester's death. That was only like 120 years ago. Maybe we should start a "Bring Back the Other 'R'" campaign.

theglobalguy
08-11-2013, 13:00
Just posted some tasting notes from one of the local picks in the tasting forum;

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?20659-Old-Forester-Single-Barrel&p=361327#post361327

Available in two stores locally, but haven't come across it elsewhere yet. Not bad, but not worth the premium.