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weller_tex
04-25-2013, 13:08
I have really been disappointed with the decline of WT products over the past 5 years, and over the past year have become disappointed with OWA (Weller 12 is still great). To me, the current OWA is nothing but sweet brown sugar and nothing else. Nowhere near the complexity it had back when it was truly a 7 year old product (not talking about SW whiskey..just the BT stuff). I am assuming it is being bottled at much less than 7 years now..hence the sweet but little complexity. Anyone else notice this?

fricky
04-25-2013, 13:42
I disagree. I thought that the first release of the NAS Old Weller Antique was exceptional. We had it in a blind tasting along with age-stated bottles and the new release was hands down favorite. Maybe later releases changed by using younger bourbon.

weller_tex
04-25-2013, 13:55
I thought the first release of the NAS was very good as well, however, as I say over the past year sure seems like the stuff is getting younger...thus possibly confirming the fears of what happens you go from age stated to NAS.

Tico
04-25-2013, 14:05
they did reduce the age of their OWA in the single barrel program which leads me to believe that the regular retail stuff has also gone the same route

weller_tex
04-25-2013, 14:20
They lost me as a customer of WSR and OWA. Let's hope that they don't kill off Weller 12.

dohidied
04-25-2013, 15:48
Man, I hope the 3 bottles of OWA I just bought aren't shite. I'll be sure to ease my way into my next SB blend.

michang5
04-25-2013, 16:00
Hmm... I just finished my second bottle of Weller 12, and was looking forward to trying the OWA — in particular to have a stronger Weller to mix in an Old Fashioned. The OWA is about $5 more than Weller 12. Should I stick with the 12? It is one of my favorites and a real value pour, too.

bllygthrd
04-25-2013, 16:08
WOW, and advantage to living in WV ... OWA 7YO is still in our pipeline <grin> ...

smknjoe
04-25-2013, 16:23
WOW, and advantage to living in WV ... OWA 7YO is still in our pipeline <grin> ...

...I might need to visit some friends in South Hills then...

Seriously though, I haven't had a bad bottle of the "current" stuff yet.

Flyfish
04-25-2013, 16:32
I'm still enjoying OWA by the handle. When just sipping, I recognize the WLW 12 is superior in some respects but when drinking, the OWA is just fine by me.

Meruck
04-25-2013, 18:53
Just have to say,

I opened a bottle of the OWO 107 today and it maybe the best bourbon I have. Thats saying a lot. No I didnt mean OWA, Original!!

The OWA 107 NAS is absolutly inferiour to the OWA 107 7 yr. Even if only in your mind. Your attitude and disposition are absolutly part of your pallet condition. The previously mentioned blind test is the only way to go


If your the administrator of a blind test try pouring the same whiskey in both glasses and see how they react. Its actually fun.....

BigBoldBully
04-25-2013, 21:23
My only bottle of OWA is an nas I bought a few months ago. It is easily the HOTTEST whiskey in my entire collection, which includes quite a few that are higher in proof. Even when I add copious h2o or mixers, the sharp alcohol bite is ludicrously prominent. And there is not much else going on flavorwise to justify it. Tried it diluted in a blind test that included WSR 7yr (old bottle shape), and the WSR was very rich and enjoyable in comparison.

gblick
04-25-2013, 22:32
I tried the NAS when it first came out and thought it was real good, but I haven't had a bottle of it for a good while.

I'm very sorry to hear that it's declining now.. :cry:

black mamba
04-26-2013, 00:13
Living in St. Louis area gives me access to the DSP-KY-16 DN1843 BIB, which I prefer to all the Wellers, excluding the BTAC WLW. The fact that I get 100 pf whiskey for $13 a fifth, or even $27 a handle, doesn't hurt. The last two bottles of VW Lot B and W12 which I had at the same time just last year were no comparison-- the Lot B was clearly superior.

weller_tex
04-26-2013, 08:00
...I might need to visit some friends in South Hills then...

Seriously though, I haven't had a bad bottle of the "current" stuff yet.

I would not say it is bad, it is very pleasant, but it is just so one-dimensional.

Flyfish
04-26-2013, 08:51
I would not say it is bad, it is very pleasant, but it is just so one-dimensional.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

boneuphtoner
04-26-2013, 09:09
I have really been disappointed with the decline of WT products over the past 5 years, and over the past year have become disappointed with OWA (Weller 12 is still great). To me, the current OWA is nothing but sweet brown sugar and nothing else. Nowhere near the complexity it had back when it was truly a 7 year old product (not talking about SW whiskey..just the BT stuff). I am assuming it is being bottled at much less than 7 years now..hence the sweet but little complexity. Anyone else notice this?

I've only been a bourbon enthusiast for a couple of years now. I haven't had any of the older OWA, but the current OWA doesn't do anything at all for me. I always thought I was alone in not being a fan of this stuff, and I see now that I'm not alone. Weller 12 is still awesome IMHO.

ER07
04-26-2013, 10:36
I still find OWA to be a great whiskey at a great price (~$20 around my parts)

JPBoston
04-26-2013, 10:57
I still find OWA to be a great whiskey at a great price (~$20 around my parts)

Agreed. I wasn't a bourbon enthusiast during the age stated days of OWA, so I don't have that comparison.... but the current juice is one of my favorites.

I do agree that it's a bit hotter (alcohol bite - wise) than it needs to be at 107 proof, but the sweetness and $19 price tag make it a great value pour, imo. ORVW 10/107 is older, more than twice as expensive, and hard to find/seasonal... but not all that much better (again, imo). And, for what it's worth, I find W12 to be far too thin for my palate.

jeffrey r
04-26-2013, 11:17
I always find it funny on forums, how the first post of the thread sets the tone for the rest of the thread. OWA is easily one of the most beloved bourbons on this site, and yet you would think it was bottom of the barrel (pun intended) if you just read this thread.

In any event, I don't mean to undermine or belittle anyone's opinion on OWA or any other bourbon for that matter. To each his own. And to be perfectly honest, I am so enamored of the SB blend, that I rarely drink OWA or W12 alone anymore. Such a smart mingling, to take the younger, higher proof, more robust bourbon, and mingle it with the older, oakier, lower proof, more mellow bourbon. It just works imho.

weller_tex
04-26-2013, 11:20
Agreed. I wasn't a bourbon enthusiast during the age stated days of OWA, so I don't have that comparison.... but the current juice is one of my favorites.

I do agree that it's a bit hotter (alcohol bite - wise) than it needs to be at 107 proof, but the sweetness and $19 price tag make it a great value pour, imo. ORVW 10/107 is older, more than twice as expensive, and hard to find/seasonal... but not all that much better (again, imo). And, for what it's worth, I find W12 to be far too thin for my palate.

Yeah I have given up on ORVW or PVW. There are far too many folks in Houston that rank higher on Spec's big spender list for me to get a bottle anymore...

I can see your point about W12 being thin, and the thicker mouthfeel of OWA is a good thing. To me though the complexity of the W12 wins out.

weller_tex
04-26-2013, 11:21
Yeah I have given up on ORVW or PVW. There are far too many folks in Houston that rank higher on Spec's big spender list for me to get a bottle anymore...

I can see your point about W12 being thin, and the thicker mouthfeel of OWA is a good thing. To me though the complexity of the W12 wins out.
I sure can't get OWA for $19 though. It is more expensive than Weller 12 down here..$26 for OWA vs. $23 for W12.

justataste
04-26-2013, 12:34
Here in Eastern OK the W12 and the OWA are about the same price. Around $21 per 750.

JPBoston
04-26-2013, 13:35
I always find it funny on forums, how the first post of the thread sets the tone for the rest of the thread. OWA is easily one of the most beloved bourbons on this site, and yet you would think it was bottom of the barrel (pun intended) if you just read this thread.

In any event, I don't mean to undermine or belittle anyone's opinion on OWA or any other bourbon for that matter. To each his own. And to be perfectly honest, I am so enamored of the SB blend, that I rarely drink OWA or W12 alone anymore. Such a smart mingling, to take the younger, higher proof, more robust bourbon, and mingle it with the older, oakier, lower proof, more mellow bourbon. It just works imho.

I was thinking the same thing about the tone vs OWA, but couldn't figure a way to say it without being more 'inflammatory'. Well done.

Also agree that the SB Blend is superior to either alone, for the exact reasons you stated.


Yeah I have given up on ORVW or PVW. There are far too many folks in Houston that rank higher on Spec's big spender list for me to get a bottle anymore...

I can see your point about W12 being thin, and the thicker mouthfeel of OWA is a good thing. To me though the complexity of the W12 wins out.

It would be cool if BT could produce a "Weller 10/107" (or 10/100 for that matter -- which would be an almost exact match to the SB Blend) to directly compete with ORVW at a fraction of the cost. If W12 can be had for ~$20 in most markets, I'm sure a 10/100 wouldn't be far from that mark.

Brisko
04-26-2013, 14:13
Yes, it would be nice if they brought back Weller Centennial.

weller_tex
04-26-2013, 14:47
I always find it funny on forums, how the first post of the thread sets the tone for the rest of the thread. OWA is easily one of the most beloved bourbons on this site, and yet you would think it was bottom of the barrel (pun intended) if you just read this thread.

In any event, I don't mean to undermine or belittle anyone's opinion on OWA or any other bourbon for that matter. To each his own. And to be perfectly honest, I am so enamored of the SB blend, that I rarely drink OWA or W12 alone anymore. Such a smart mingling, to take the younger, higher proof, more robust bourbon, and mingle it with the older, oakier, lower proof, more mellow bourbon. It just works imho.
I think you are overdramatizing what I said. I never said it was horrible just not as good as it once was and now very one dimensional. I do not think the words horrible came into play. That being said there are too many other bourbons that are better now that I will spend my money on. As long as they make w12 though I will keep buying it.

michang5
04-26-2013, 14:48
Just came back from two liquor stores (one attached to Costco and one of the larger Twin Liquors here in Austin) and neither one had any OWA. Both had Weller 12 and Special Reserve.

I'm sure if I drove over to Spec's there would be several bottles, but just an odd observation. Maybe the conspiracy theorists can take it from here. :)

gblick
04-27-2013, 03:14
My tastes rarely align with the masses, so I just need to buy a current bottle of OWA and taste it myself.

OutlawSW
04-27-2013, 03:58
No one asked but IMO OWA is the best value in bourbon, NAS or not, the only other bottles even competing for*that title are RITT BIB, EC12 and 114...OWA still wins.*

Flyfish
04-27-2013, 07:48
...so I just need to buy a current bottle of OWA and taste it myself.

That's always an excellent decision.

weller_tex
04-27-2013, 12:42
That's always an excellent decision.
definitely I was just starting a conversation. I sure don't expect anyone to go by just what I think.

CoMobourbon
04-27-2013, 16:44
I sure can't get OWA for $19 though. It is more expensive than Weller 12 down here..$26 for OWA vs. $23 for W12.

+1. OWA one of the last mainstay whiskey's I have not tried, in large part because it usually over $25. When there are other good options for cheap, I am going to be skeptical of that stuff from the beginning.

Comments like these need to be repeated over and over. Mentioning price disparities is tedious, but when those prices have a huge influence on our perception of quality, we need to take them into account when we share opinions. For example, I think Four Roses Yellow is delicious and consistently underrated, but I can get it for around $13 around here for some reason. That definitely affects my opinion of it in a way that somebody who pays $22 cannot not understand - unless I mention it.

PaulO
04-27-2013, 16:56
I have never been too surprised by any bottle of OWA. This includes the 7 year old, current stuff, and single barrel selections. The fact that it has disappeared from stores at times has caused me to bunker a few extras. If I was to open one now. it may have been purchased a year or two ago. Like many, I was unhappy to see the age statement go. So far, I think the current stuff is good.

Bmac
04-28-2013, 23:45
my bottle of OWA NAS isn't as good as my OWA 7yr age stated. The age stated bottle is from 2007 though.

Balcones Winston
04-29-2013, 14:20
I've had my share of OWA over the years, my favorite BT produced iterations are the old label ones. Can still find these all over Dallas, and it's good bourbon for sure.

Balcones Winston
04-29-2013, 15:02
I've got a L'ville bottle I am tempted to open tonight :D