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bontrager
05-30-2013, 14:41
I recently picked up a dusty OF bottle, 100 proof bottled in bond. I'm wondering how I find out the date it was bottled. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks

mark fleetwood
05-30-2013, 14:49
SB Nation,
Take a deep breath! :rolleyes:

bontrager
05-30-2013, 15:01
SB Nation,
Take a deep breath! :rolleyes:
I understand I'm a newbie to this forum, but I'm not a newbie to bourbon. I DID read through the stickies, etc., so if I missed something or broke a rule here, I apologize. I plan to drink this bottle, and was just curious about the age of it, since I don't normally drink stuff that is out of production. I've browsed this forum for a while (prior to joining) but have never posted because I was afraid I might get a reply like this. Thanks for the warm welcome. :rolleyes:

smknjoe
05-30-2013, 15:09
Greg over at bourbondork is pretty much an expert in Old Fitz dusties. He's a member here but you'll probably get a quicker response from him on his blog.

bontrager
05-30-2013, 15:10
Greg over at bourbondork is pretty much an expert in Old Fitz dusties. He's a member here but you'll probably get a quicker response from him on his blog.
Thank you, much appreciated!

squire
05-30-2013, 15:14
Good afternoon bontrager, welcome aboard. Your purchase was bottled after metric bottles were phased in during the early 1980s but that's all I can tell from the label unless you can post a larger picture.

ChainWhip
05-30-2013, 15:16
For your very first post on this forum, your question without an introduction can be a little off-putting as we SB.com gets a lot of these "types" of requests (from "housewives" asking for where they can score Pappy's to "Tadas Auk"'s asking where they can easily hunt for dusties).

While not explicitly asking for value, your question is getting close to #4 on the Guide to Newbies:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=43&a=9

Regardless, take some time to introduce yourself here:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?43-New-to-Straightbourbon

Welcome and I look forward to your contributions here.

bontrager
05-30-2013, 15:26
For your very first post on this forum, your question without an introduction can be a little off-putting as we SB.com gets a lot of these "types" of requests (from "housewives" asking for where they can score Pappy's to "Tadas Auk"'s asking where they can easily hunt for dusties).

While not explicitly asking for value, your question is getting close to #4 on the Guide to Newbies:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=43&a=9

Regardless, take some time to introduce yourself here:

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?43-New-to-Straightbourbon

Welcome and I look forward to your contributions here.
I can understand why someone might interpret my post that way, but seriously, I was just asking a simple question hoping to get a simple answer. I know the PVW game and certainly don't need to play it when my stock starts to run low. I regularly post on another board where some people complain that too many people ask "basic" questions there. They recommend SB as a place to get questions answered. As a long time lurker I decided to do just that.

mark fleetwood
05-30-2013, 15:26
I understand I'm a newbie to this forum, but I'm not a newbie to bourbon. I DID read through the stickies, etc., so if I missed something or broke a rule here, I apologize. I plan to drink this bottle, and was just curious about the age of it, since I don't normally drink stuff that is out of production. I've browsed this forum for a while (prior to joining) but have never posted because I was afraid I might get a reply like this. Thanks for the warm welcome. :rolleyes:
My comment was specifically directed to the community, because I have seen first time requests taken to task.

bontrager
05-30-2013, 15:36
My comment was specifically directed to the community, because I have seen first time requests taken to task.
My bad then Mark, I misinterpreted your comment. (raises glencairn glass)

mark fleetwood
05-30-2013, 18:13
My bad then Mark, I misinterpreted your comment. (raises glencairn glass)
Raised rocks glass to you!

Josh
05-30-2013, 19:12
Is there a tax stamp on that? And if there is, is it real?

Meruck
05-30-2013, 19:34
As Squire pointed out its a early to mid 80's due to the "liter" right there on the front. Its obviously post 1982 (discontinuation of the BIB stamp rules) or you wouldnt be asking, If the tax stamp is on it and it says "TAX PAID" on the bottom left of the stamp then its pre July 1 1985, thats when they discontinued all Federal Tax stamps, as there is no saftey seal on the cap its for likley pre 1989.

Best I can do for you.

bontrager
05-30-2013, 20:20
I talked to few other sources who said it was bottled in 1986. Has DSP KY 16 on the front and the UPC starts with 88508. Tax stamp is intact, but no date. Thanks again for all the input, greatly appreciated. Although I have over 100 bottles of rare juice in my collection, this is my first dusty, so I'm much less familiar with knowing what's what.

mosugoji64
05-30-2013, 20:20
Yeah, we're gonna need some pix of the tax strip and some close ups of the front and back labels to help you narrow it down.
And while you're at it, we need cover sheets on those TPS reports. Yeah ...

michaelturtle1
05-30-2013, 20:27
There is most likely a bottle date on the bottom, since you threw out 1986 there probably is an 86 on the bottom. That would be the date the bottle was made so that will give you a good approximate date of when it was bottled. The most important information is that it is DSP-16 which makes it Stitzel Weller Old Fitz .

ChicagoFlyer
05-30-2013, 20:27
I know the search functionality can be a bit intimidating when you're new. I was in your place not too long ago and often times felt overwhelmed with the incredible amount of information contained in the threads here. With that said, I found google search to be very user friendly and allowed me to specifically search SB with any number of keywords and search commands. What you won't find are thread titles or summary threads that neatly package all of the information one ever needs to know. I find that the best information is often contained in the hilarious banter and single line comparisons that are layered into much longer threads. When taken as a single post, they may seem cryptic and often not applicable. However, when you take that same post in the context of the larger living thread, you start to get the picture and you see that one bottle may elicit knowledge, history, and fond memories from dozens of people. Spend a nice Saturday morning with a good cup of coffee (or pour of OF if that's your style) and really invest some time in searching the forums. I promise you will find everything you need to know and then some buried within. Just make sure to set a time limit because an hour quickly turns to four.

For what its worth, and compared to others in this community its probably not worth much, I took a look at a number of OF BiBs I have in my cabinet. Most of mine are late 80's with a single liter from '92. Since that has a tamper cap it really doesn't count. The 'tax stamped' bottles I have are all from 87-90 and have a green fake tax strip.

LostBottle
05-30-2013, 21:43
I regularly post on another board where some people complain that too many people ask "basic" questions there.

Out of curiosity, what is the name of that board?

smknjoe
05-30-2013, 22:00
I regularly post on another board where some people complain that too many people ask "basic" questions there. They recommend SB as a place to get questions answered. As a long time lurker I decided to do just that.


Out of curiosity, what is the name of that board?

I'm sort of curious too. What board thinks they are too good to answer basic questions?

Anyway, good find and enjoy. Post some tasting notes when you crack it open.

Restaurant man
05-30-2013, 23:08
I've had this bottle. It's terrible! If you were smart you would dump it out. Straightbourbon into my mouth

Josh
05-31-2013, 05:36
I've had this bottle. It's terrible! If you were smart you would dump it out. Straightbourbon into my mouth Oh that old chestnut.

Rkkingsley
05-31-2013, 06:24
Hmm... Not the first time I've seen that pic.

Dolph Lundgren
05-31-2013, 07:41
I have a feeling that the exchange is going to bleed all over this forum.

squire
05-31-2013, 07:44
A close up of the back label would be useful.

HighInTheMtns
05-31-2013, 07:57
Hmm... Not the first time I've seen that pic.


I have a feeling that the exchange is going to bleed all over this forum.
I've seen that pic before too, but I can tell you that the new member who started this thread didn't post it in the other place where we've all seen it. He's just someone who is looking for some info on a bottle.


I've browsed this forum for a while (prior to joining) but have never posted because I was afraid I might get a reply like this. Thanks for the warm welcome. :rolleyes:
It's already been covered, but it wasn't a good decision to make this your first post. As you can see, people are still suspicious of your motives. Please continue to participate, and this rough start will surely be forgotten. This forum is way more fun than that other place. Hope your new bottle of Old Fitz is good drinking! :toast:

Rkkingsley
05-31-2013, 08:15
I've seen that pic before too, but I can tell you that the new member who started this thread didn't post it in the other place where we've all seen it. He's just someone who is looking for some info on a bottle.

I was merely stating how clever I am. :) By no means do I know everything. I barely qualify for the "knows something" category.

Also, I'm guessing he hasn't received the bottle yet and thus can't provide close ups. This is judging from the date of the other post and the assumption that he bought it online not in person.

In other news, welcome to the fold, Bontrager! I've learned a ton from these guys.

HighInTheMtns
05-31-2013, 08:20
I was merely stating how clever I am. :) By no means do I know everything. I barely qualify for the "knows something" category.

Also, I'm guessing he hasn't received the bottle yet and thus can't provide close ups. This is judging from the date of the other post and the assumption that he bought it online not in person.

In other news, welcome to the fold, Bontrager! I've learned a ton from these guys.
Hmm... I'd definitely classify you as "knows something."

I'm guessing that this particular Old Fitz is from 1986 ;)

bontrager
05-31-2013, 08:20
I was merely stating how clever I am. :) By no means do I know everything. I barely qualify for the "knows something" category.

Also, I'm guessing he hasn't received the bottle yet and thus can't provide close ups. This is judging from the date of the other post and the assumption that he bought it online not in person.

In other news, welcome to the fold, Bontrager! I've learned a ton from these guys.
I will provide close up pics this evening. Bottle is in my possession, I just happen to work 70+ hours a week, acquired the bottle yesterday, and posted the original pic quickly out of enthusiasm and excitement.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 08:28
It's already been covered, but it wasn't a good decision to make this your first post. As you can see, people are still suspicious of your motives. Please continue to participate, and this rough start will surely be forgotten. This forum is way more fun than that other place. Hope your new bottle of Old Fitz is good drinking! :toast:
Duly noted. I'm a history buff, what can I say, it's part of the reason I became so intrigued by bourbon in the first place. The history of this craft is fascinating to me. Will definitely post tasting notes when I decide to crack it open. For now, I'm enjoying just admiring it. :cool:

Rkkingsley
05-31-2013, 08:36
I will provide close up pics this evening. Bottle is in my possession, I just happen to work 70+ hours a week, acquired the bottle yesterday, and posted the original pic quickly out of enthusiasm and excitement.

Well, like I said, barely in the "knows something" category...

Enthusiasm and excitement is understandable. Just found my first real dusty last week so I know how you feel. Kinda neat to hold some history/americana in your hand. Again, welcome.

squire
05-31-2013, 08:48
I like to get immersed in Bourbon history, to become one with the subject so to speak.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 09:06
Kinda neat to hold some history/americana in your hand.
Amen to that. Cheers!

Meruck
05-31-2013, 09:08
I like to get immersed in Bourbon history, to become one with the subject so to speak.

Not to "correct you", but perhaps you intended to say that you like to "immerse bourbon history in yourself"?

squire
05-31-2013, 09:18
Umm, that too . . . . . . . . . .

LostBottle
05-31-2013, 10:29
Out of curiosity, what is the name of that board?


Why the crickets? What board? That sucks if they won't answer basic questions for you.

HighInTheMtns
05-31-2013, 11:17
Why the crickets? What board? That sucks if they won't answer basic questions for you.
Considering the source of the original image I'm assuming he means Bourbon Exchange and Chuck's post over there referring people to SB.com as a place to gain more knowledge.

Meruck
05-31-2013, 11:37
I'm assuming he means Bourbon Exchange .

So yor saying it was bargin basement priced then?

bontrager
05-31-2013, 11:39
So yor saying it was bargin basement priced then?

Just curious, on what basis would you make that assumption?

Meruck
05-31-2013, 11:51
Just curious, on what basis would you make that assumption?

Not directed at you bontrager, at least not directly. There has been much written here about the high prices from those posting on the FB bourbon exchange. Please remember this site is over populated with satirists, one liners and ass holes. (myself in the later), once a thread gets going the originator can feel besieged when many are simply poking fun at the most recent posting.

Stick around, your skin will thicken and you will almost certainly have an opportunity to throw some back.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 11:57
Not directed at you bontrager, at least not directly. There has been much written here about the high prices from those posting on the FB bourbon exchange. Please remember this site is over populated with satirists, one liners and ass holes. (myself in the later), once a thread gets going the originator can feel besieged when many are simply poking fun at the most recent posting.

Stick around, your skin will thicken and you will almost certainly have an opportunity to throw some back.
Understood, though I honestly didn't know if you were being sarcastic or not (didn't see a wink), b/c I don't typically buy, I usually trade, and the friends I've made along the way have been pretty down to earth good guys. YMMV.

squire
05-31-2013, 11:58
All in good fun though, all in good fun. If we limited our posts to Jack Fridayish recitations of only the dry facts after first triple checking to ascertain their veracity this place would be about as interesting as listening to someone sing in a monotone.

ChicagoFlyer
05-31-2013, 12:01
All in good fun though, all in good fun. If we limited our posts to Jack Fridayish recitations of only the dry facts after first triple checking to ascertain their veracity this place would be about as interesting as listening to someone sing in a monotone.

I actually had to put this sentence into google translator Squire. Too much thinking for a Friday!

squire
05-31-2013, 12:02
And the fellow who invented emoticons should be publicly hanged. If I cannot find words sufficient to express myself then I need to think about what I'm saying.

squire
05-31-2013, 12:05
Dr. Samuel Johnson was asked why he used larger words and he replied he needed them to express larger thoughts.

ChicagoFlyer
05-31-2013, 12:10
And the fellow who invented emoticons should be publicly hanged. If I cannot find words sufficient to express myself then I need to think about what I'm saying.

But how else would I know that you are slighly winking at me or sarcastically laughing at my comments?

squire
05-31-2013, 12:12
Good question but I still think that e guy should be hanged.

Meruck
05-31-2013, 12:20
But how else would I know that you are slighly winking at me or sarcastically laughing at my comments?

You can use fonts,

this one for sarcastic
this one for romantic
this one for angry
this one for happy
this one for sad
this one for drunk
this one for gunna get drunk
this one for was drunk
this one for in trouble with the wife
Son on and so on..............................................

Wryguy
05-31-2013, 12:38
Dr. Samuel Johnson was asked why he used larger words and he replied he needed them to express larger thoughts.

But I think even he would agree that prolixity to the point of obfuscation is a practice to be eschewed. Right? :lol: Ooops I used an emoticon.

Trey Manthey
05-31-2013, 12:51
If I cannot find words sufficient to express myself...

Squire, I can't imagine you ever encountering that situation!

squire
05-31-2013, 15:44
Wry, verbosity is not in my lexicon.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 15:58
The consensus seems to be 1986 on this bottle, but as requested I'm attaching a few close ups.
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squire
05-31-2013, 16:12
Excellent, those will do nicely.

Tico
05-31-2013, 16:38
no govt warning so its def before 88'

bontrager
05-31-2013, 16:52
no govt warning so its def before 88'
Learn something new every day. Good to know.

Meruck
05-31-2013, 16:55
you have a "fake" tax stamp used as a seal, as of July 01, 1985 the use of Federal Tax Stamps was discontinued, so its post 85, bottle date puts is post 86, no gov warning puts is pre Nov 18, 1989, and Mr. Louis L Goldstein's signature on the MD stamp puts it between 1959 and 1989 when MD stopped the usage of the stamps.

The available information gives you a four year window 1986-1989 with an 87 and 88 being better candidates.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 17:05
you have a "fake" tax stamp used as a seal, as of July 01, 1985 the use of Federal Tax Stamps was discontinued, so its post 85, bottle date puts is post 86, no gov warning puts is pre Nov 18, 1989, and Mr. Louis L Goldstein's signature on the MD stamp puts it between 1959 and 1989 when MD stopped the usage of the stamps.

The available information gives you a four year window 1986-1989 with an 87 and 88 being better candidates.
Wow dude. Wealth of useful information right there. Thank you. Is this true just for OF? or does it apply to other bottles (i.e., tax stamp, gov warning)? And where are you seeing the "bottle date" that suggests post 86?

Meruck
05-31-2013, 17:12
all bottles all brands etc.

The gov didnt just make OF use the stamps.

The tax stamps changed over time and all by acts of congress so they are easy to track, The dates I cited are "law" acts of Congress. the bottle dates are just a clue. distillers typically didnt store bottles, but some did.

Also the tax stamp is applied when it left the "bonded warehouse". So in theory, you could have a bottle date of 70, a distilation date of 75 and a tax stamp date of 80. Its the whole package that tells the story. Any one clue could lead you astray. The best ones are the pre Dec 01 1982 bottled in bond stamps. They just have the dates right there on them. Dec 82 is when that was discontinued.

squire
05-31-2013, 17:57
Amazing what you can learn around here.

bontrager
05-31-2013, 18:07
Amazing what you can learn around here.
I'm quickly learning that. :toast:

smknjoe
05-31-2013, 18:09
So when are we getting your tasting notes?:grin:

squire
05-31-2013, 18:12
Impatient lot aren't we? So when do we get the notes?