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ATXWhiskey
06-02-2013, 22:24
Is there a bar anywhere in the country that would have the barrel selections necessary to do a sampling of all ten 4R formulas? Or possibly just all five yeast strains?

Im trying to conceptualize how I could try all of them and avoid on some future trip to Kentucky buying every different type of barrel selection I can get my hands on. On a related point, how many of the varieties does TPS normally stock? I know that they have had all 10 but do they normally have all 10 on the shelf or just a few at a time? Basically, I am hoping to make a trip to Kentucky soon and I am envisioning a scenario where I cannot stop myself from buying 10 bottles of four roses when I go to TPS. Frankly I love the stuff but ten bottles seems a little excessive.

Yeti
06-02-2013, 22:37
TPS will usually have all 10. $49.99 each.

ATXWhiskey
06-02-2013, 22:48
TPS will usually have all 10. $49.99 each.

That is what I was afraid of. I can already see myself standing there looking at the shelf thinking, "I'll eventually buy another $500 worth of bourbon, right? So it makes sense to just go ahead and buy this $500 worth of bourbon. Right?"

Yeti
06-02-2013, 22:50
Right.

I've thought about it many times. If I pull the trigger, I'll let you know. I guess I'll have one of the few bars that stock all 10 :-)

MauiSon
06-02-2013, 22:50
Let's say you try all 10 recipes. Can you then distinguish between the 10 recipes? Hell no, of course not. You may be able to distinguish between the 10 bottles you tasted, but even that would be futile when the bottles were emptied. So what's the point? Being able to truthfully say,"I've tried all 10 recipes!"? Oooh & aah. I guess we must all have our aspirations.

ATXWhiskey
06-02-2013, 22:58
Let's say you try all 10 recipes. Can you then distinguish between the 10 recipes? Hell no, of course not. You may be able to distinguish between the 10 bottles you tasted, but even that would be futile when the bottles were emptied. So what's the point? Being able to truthfully say,"I've tried all 10 recipes!"? Oooh & aah. I guess we must all have our aspirations.

That's a fair point. I'm not looking for any merit badge. I'm just mostly curious what each yeast strain brings to the table. It would be fun to try them side-by-side and see what differences I could spot. Then again, it would be a fair bit of fun to try two or three OBSVs side by side and compare them.

MauiSon
06-02-2013, 23:00
I can see right now that what you really want is to take part part in a private barrel selection tasting with all 10 recipes up to bat. I'll drink to that! If I ever visit Kentucky, participating in a private barrel selection might top my list of 'things to do'.

ATXWhiskey
06-02-2013, 23:04
I can see right now that what you really want is to take part part in a private selection barrel tasting with all 10 recipes up to bat. I'll drink to that! If I ever visit Kentucky, participating in a private barrel selection might top my list of 'things to do'.

Maybe I need to buy a liquor store...

smknjoe
06-02-2013, 23:14
Can't you sample all of them at the distillery?

If you stick around here long enough I'm sure you could wrangle up samples of all ten eventually.

HighInTheMtns
06-02-2013, 23:19
Can't you sample all of them at the distillery?

If you stick around here long enough I'm sure you could wrangle up samples of all ten eventually.
No. Yellow Label, Small Batch, and Single Barrel make up the FR distillery tasting.

Yeti
06-02-2013, 23:33
I can see right now that what you really want...

Wasn't directed at me, but what I really want is a shelf full of barrel proof Four Roses.

Old Dusty
06-03-2013, 05:56
No. Yellow Label, Small Batch, and Single Barrel make up the FR distillery tasting.

Of course, with the YL you ARE tasting all ten recipes...just simultaneously!:grin:

Old Dusty
06-03-2013, 06:00
TPS will usually have all 10. $49.99 each.

Was just there and can verify this is currently the case. I grabbed an OESF, but the basket I got at the door was already overflowing so I stopped there. If you choose a cart at the door your bank account will suffer the consequences.

squire
06-03-2013, 06:32
Buy them all ATX, buy them all and taste them. Taste, compare, then invite some friends over to get their opinions. That's the only way you'll satisfactorily resolve the question.

suntour
06-03-2013, 07:20
Of course, with the YL you ARE tasting all ten recipes...just simultaneously!:grin:
Came in here to post this.

Buy them all ATX, buy them all and taste them. Taste, compare, then invite some friends over to get their opinions. That's the only way you'll satisfactorily resolve the question.
I mean, this will only plague you until its resolved. You could spend $500 in a worse way. And think, you can buy little bottles and hawk some of the excess off on BX.

squire
06-03-2013, 07:24
By buying the whole flight there will be enough left over to experiment with your own blends.

smknjoe
06-03-2013, 07:30
Frankly I love the stuff but ten bottles seems a little excessive.

When I first started hanging around here I would have agreed with you. Now, a $500 investment in guaranteed quality whiskey seems like a no brainer.

squire
06-03-2013, 07:35
Seems eminently sensible to me.

Tucker
06-03-2013, 07:45
I'm fairly certain that Binny's-South Loop has a tasting room where you can sample each of the different FR recipes from their single barrel selections.

luther.r
06-03-2013, 10:03
This could be a good idea for a xmas-time gift set. Mini bottles of all 10 recipes.

SmoothAmbler
06-03-2013, 11:35
My guess is that Canon, in Seattle, would be a place that might have all 10 expressions. They have the biggest list I've ever seen.

Kyjd75
06-03-2013, 13:11
I can see right now that what you really want is to take part part in a private barrel selection tasting with all 10 recipes up to bat. I'll drink to that! If I ever visit Kentucky, participating in a private barrel selection might top my list of 'things to do'.

That of course is what I recently was privileged to be a part of (and posted on my experience), and yes, we did a flight of all 10 recipes. Although several were quite similar, there were some distinct differences in some of the recipes that even a novice like myself could distinguish.

15586

hectic1
06-03-2013, 13:17
Come on over...all ten recipes are present and accounted for! :)

P&MLiquorsEric
06-03-2013, 13:45
That of course is what I recently was privileged to be a part of (and posted on my experience), and yes, we did a flight of all 10 recipes. Although several were quite similar, there were some distinct differences in some of the recipes that even a novice like myself could distinguish.

15586

They suggest at the tastings to try the high corn recipe of all the variations first, then move on to the high rye.

I think all ten is too much for a sitting if you are actually "drinking" them. During our barrel selection, I had to be unlady like and "spit" since i was driving. Five of them would be perfect if you separated them by mash bill.

ISU_grad
06-03-2013, 14:59
That is what I was afraid of. I can already see myself standing there looking at the shelf thinking, "I'll eventually buy another $500 worth of bourbon, right? So it makes sense to just go ahead and buy this $500 worth of bourbon. Right?"

You don't know how many times I've used this argument on myself to buy something.

jtgraves
06-03-2013, 15:24
This could be a good idea for a xmas-time gift set. Mini bottles of all 10 recipes.

Now THAT is a great idea.

I've been trying to rally group in Austin to go in on a set together to spread some of the cost. I just need a couple more people willing to buy in.

Phil T
06-03-2013, 15:34
I think all ten is too much for a sitting if you are actually "drinking" them.

A few of us SB'ers gathered at Roger's in Cincy a couple years ago and tasted through all 10 recipes, plus various other bottlings. It was a great time, and I hate to admit it, it was too much for one sitting. Did I mention it was a great time?

ATXWhiskey
06-03-2013, 18:53
You fellas aren't doing much to persuade me to restrain myself. The idea of having all ten so that I could play with my own blends is pretty interesting. It's like Jim Rutledge fantasy camp - the home version.

Enoch
06-03-2013, 18:55
I really wish the FR distillery would sell a gift pack of 10 mini's.

Halifax
06-03-2013, 19:06
Come on over...all ten recipes are present and accounted for! :)

Save some OESK... :)

hectic1
06-03-2013, 19:19
Save some OESK... :) I think I have around 12 or 13 bottles of OESK...that should hold you over for at least a couple trips! ;)

barturtle
06-03-2013, 21:51
I'd prefer to find a place with all 13 Stagg releases...

darylld911
06-04-2013, 04:28
I had the same thought, as I've got three FR1B bottles, but can't make the budget stretch for the additional 7. My recommendation - get to Bardstown (either KBF or Sampler) and create a sign-up sheet for volunteers to bring one or more bottles (just so you can keep track of what is already coming). I thought about "If someone had all 10 options, what would I be willing to pay for 1/2 ounce pour tasting of all 10?" (long tasting night!) I think that would easily be worth $30 - $40 (based on tastings I've been to in Atlanta which give you far less). You'd have something like 48 of those tastings available. If you sold just 18 flights, you'd cover the cost of the 10 bottles, and have more than a half bottle of each left. Or get 10 friends, $55 each and a LOT of small bottles, and just split them up :lol:

I would bet you might could find that many participants at the Sampler or KBF who would volunteer to bring a bottle or two, and with any luck - get the complete line-up on the table at once.

BigBoldBully
06-04-2013, 12:41
Springing for the 10 bottles at $500 would save you $2,000.
See, if you find a place that serves all 10 as a flight of 1/2 oz pours it will probably cost $30 plus tip, say $5, and excess transportation expenses I will conservatively estimate at $15. That is $50 for about 1/50 of a bottle of each, and you know that 1/2 oz of each on a single occasion will not be nearly enough to satisfy your curiosity. So ultimately you are unnecessarily paying at a rate of $250 per bottle ($2,500 for 10), and $500 plunked down now must be recorded in the books as a $2,000 savings, minimum, not to mention the convenience, vatting options, and various intangibles gained. As a bourbnancial adviser, I must caution you that you’d be a damned fool not to do it.

Yeti
06-04-2013, 14:50
I'll be retaining Bully as my official Bourbonancial advisor henceforth. Anyone seeking to PM me with regard to posts made in the "Help a fellow member..." thread or any similar, should contact him directly.

MauiSon
06-04-2013, 14:59
This could be a good idea for a xmas-time gift set. Mini bottles of all 10 recipes.

Oh, man! There's my Christmas Gift theme - Four [dozen] Roses for everyone! Just have to add the YL and SmB.

smokinjoe
06-04-2013, 15:16
...and hawk some of the excess off on BX.

I've heard that is what our "Chat" is for... :lol:

drunk
06-04-2013, 15:18
You could always grab all of the OE's or the OB's, that way it's only $250, and you'll still get an idea of the yeast influence.

Bob made a couple of great points while sharing his ridiculously good FR stash last weekend: 1. it really comes down to barrel selection, and 2. the OE's may give you a better understanding of each yeast, because they don't have as much spice from the higher rye content, which may conceal some of the finer nuances.

Overall, I think FR does a good job directing you with the neck tag recipe descriptions. K's are fruity, Q's are floral, F's are herbal, etc.

OscarV
06-04-2013, 15:34
Flight of all 10 recipes?
Sure, I got all 10 right here, let's do it!

http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o766/OVHOVH/rsz_10_4r_zps6eb356c9.jpg (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/OVHOVH/media/rsz_10_4r_zps6eb356c9.jpg.html)

MyOldKyDram
06-04-2013, 15:54
I've heard that is what our "Chat" is for... :lol:

Damn. What night is that?

ATXWhiskey
06-04-2013, 16:03
Just need to get to Michigan...

jtgraves
06-05-2013, 07:39
Springing for the 10 bottles at $500 would save you $2,000.

Any chance you'd be willing to get on a conference call with my wife and I? How official do you sound? Can you send me this advice on some formal-looking stationary maybe?