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Dave_in_Canada
10-20-2003, 11:53
I was in a whiskey bar this weekend (FX McRory's, Seattle) to enjoy their most-amazing bourbon selection (well over 100 brands). I noticed a bottle of "Hirsch Selection", Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey.... bottled in Lawrenceburg. I'm assuming that it's four roses bourbon. Anyone know the history of why this has a "Hirsch" name attached to it? (not A.H.Hirsch). Thanks

Paradox
10-20-2003, 14:24
I am pretty sure the bottle you are speaking of Dave is a 13 yo Rye whiskey. I may be wrong but I think Julian did the bottling of it. There is also a Hirsch Selection Canadian Whiskey available but I forget its age right now.

Dave_in_Canada
10-20-2003, 14:42
Hey, I was at a whiskey bar, so consequently my eyesight may not have been in fine working order! But I think you're right, it must have been a rye. But why the Hirsch branding if it was distilled in KY?

Paradox
10-20-2003, 14:48
I may not be totally correct on this so please anyone, correct me if I am wrong. I think Julian previously owned the rights (or something) to the Hirsch name a few years ago and he bottled this whiskey from stock he had purchased from somewhere else.

bluesbassdad
10-20-2003, 15:44
Mark,

I think you are correct. See here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=General&Number=69&Foru m=All_Forums&Words=julian%20rye%20hirsch&Match=And &Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=24&Search =true#Post69) .

IIRC, someone (perhaps even Julian, himself) said that the Hirsch rye was from stock that didn't quite measure up to the VWFR 13 year rye profile.

I have a bottle of the Hirsch, and I'm hard pressed (with my tin palate) to tell the difference.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Bob
10-20-2003, 15:46
Mark and Dave,

I am totally unfamiliar with this bottling guys. What can you share with us regarding this bottling? With the Hirsch and Van Winkle names associated with it, I would have to assume that it would be a winner. Is it?

Bob

jbutler
10-20-2003, 16:34
Dave,

In Spring 2002, I had a conversation with Julian during which he told me that it was the same stock. He said that when he was done filling his bottles, the remainder got a Hirsch label slapped on them.

It's a superb product in any event.

bluesbassdad
10-20-2003, 17:01
Jim,

That rings a bell. Perhaps you posted an account of that conversation and my memory of that post was inaccurate. (I just tried to find the post, but I was unsuccessful.)

Upon further reflection, the words I think I recall were more like, "...after I bottle the VWFR, what's left is bottled as Hirsch Selection..." I probably mistakenly inferred that "left" implied "leftover", with its somewhat negative connotation.

In any case, your reiteration is consistent with my inability to distinguish any difference between the two bottlings. Superb products, indeed; I think I'll have some right now. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Paradox
10-20-2003, 17:08
I did a quick search Dave and think I found the posts you may have been looking for here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=General&Number=14378&F orum=All_Forums&Words=hirsch%20rye%20winkle&Match= And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=12875& Search=true#Post14378) and here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=other&Number=16974&For um=All_Forums&Words=hirsch%20rye%20winkle&Match=An d&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=16968&Se arch=true#Post16974)... Though the first 'here' is what I think you were more looking for.

bobbyc
10-20-2003, 17:16
I probably mistakenly inferred that "left" implied "leftover", with its somewhat negative connotation.





I don't know how it is done now, Dave, but there used to be some complicated rules that applied to bottling. The jest of the old days of doing it, A certian number of cases was to be bottled. If they ran out of whiskey with say a very small number of bottles to be filled a barrel was dumped the bottles filled and the remainer discarded. Same thing if the number was met and whiskey was left over it too got tossed.

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bluesbassdad
10-20-2003, 17:19
Mark,

You nailed it.

Thanks for the memory jogger.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

TNbourbon
10-20-2003, 21:04
I'm reading this as I'm sipping VWFRR from my soon-to-be-depleted bottle, and I'm thinking 'I need to look for some of this!' I don't recall ever seeing the Hirsch rye bottling around here, but I think I'm going to be keeping my eyes open hereafter.

wadewood
10-20-2003, 21:17
I have a bottle, unopened, of the 13 YO Hirsch Rye. The back Label says Lot 00-1. I'm guessing this was a fairly limited bottling.

jvanwinkle
10-24-2003, 14:15
A few years ago, when I thought I had a lifetime supply of rye, I did a couple of bottlings of my rye under the "Hirsch Selection" label. I did this bottling for Henry Preiss who at the time was my CA wholesaler. He used the "Hirsch Selection" trademark while Tim Hue in Covington, KY used the A.H. Hirsch bourbon label. Henry actually snuck in and trademarked the HS label.
I would bottle Preiss's rye, then finish up with mine, so the whiskey should be identical for certain bottlings.
Julian

jimbo
10-25-2003, 18:24
I am totally unfamiliar with this bottling guys. What can you share with us regarding this bottling? With the Hirsch and Van Winkle names associated with it, I would have to assume that it would be a winner. Is it?



I have sampled a bottle of both. They are both excellent rye whiskeys, not two cents worth of difference between the two. But, the Hirsch is about $15 per bottle more expensive here in Washington. Guess which one I buy when I have the chance?

Regards, jimbo

luv2hunt
02-09-2006, 09:44
OK, old thread, but I passed this bottle up today because once again, I wasn't sure if it was worth grabbing! I'll go back and get it tomorrow!

Dawn