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boone
03-06-2004, 13:48
Buffalo Springs-- (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=Collect&Number=27629) I will make a repy to BSS here, about the Buffalo Springs, Stamping Grounds http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

There is a picture, of Buffalo Springs "employee's" in the Getz Museum. My Uncle Otis, was Distiller there. This group picture, is located in the "Office". There is a showcase, on the right, as you enter the door. The picture was sitting on top of that case, the last time I was there. I hope it is still there. Uncle Otis, is in this picture. He's wearing a "white" hat, last row, on the far right http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

One of my favorite pictures (attached) is this one, with some of the area ladies, who worked at the "Yellowstone" distillery, in the early days. The ladies, don't look too happy but the guys (especially the two right behind them) have something up their sleeve http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif No names are written on the back of this picture. I can almost bet that some of em are kin to me. This distillery, was located just a skip down the road from my home...

I know that this picture will be there for everyone to see. It was enlarged to nearly life size and it too...is located in the Getz Museum (in the office)...

I could only imagine why they stopped them that day to take this picture. Makes me wonder what was going on? Were they just arriving for work or getting ready to eat lunch?...(several of em are carring their lunch baskets)...

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bobbyc
03-06-2004, 14:25
The ladies, don't look too happy



Cosmetics and designer dresses appear not quite yet to have caught on with the female distillery workforce in 1905, Still there were some pretty faces in that group.
I remember your Aunt Jo pointing this very picture out to me and commented how happy those men most have been to work in the company of those pretty girls. Some of them clearly look to be in the prime of their youth.

Bill_Hilly
03-07-2004, 16:55
GEOGRAPHIC WOES:
As a newcomer to the area, I have some geographic confusion. The Blue Grass Trust site says that the Buffalo Springs Distillery was in Stamping Ground, KY, (NE of Frankfort?) but the photo references Gethsemane, KY (SW of Bardstown? - not to be confused with Gethsemani Abbey in Trappist, KY, and SE of Bardstown).

What's the deal? Is it the same distillery in multiple locations, a place name change, or have I missed the boat completely? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

bobbyc
03-07-2004, 17:57
The above picture is of Yellowstone employees at Gethsemane, in 1905. It had nothing to do with Buffalo Stamping ground except that there is a picture of it along with this at the Getz museum, in the same room.

Am I the only one who thinks so but from left to right wasn't 1,2,4,5,6 and 8 cute? They are a bit somber and lack the embellishments that our ladies 99 years hence have. Hell 3 and 7 only look to be older.

Bill_Hilly
03-07-2004, 18:12
Thanks Bobby, my brain no longer hurts in trying to figure out some kind of connection between the two...

I distinctly remember this photo, as its lovely ladies, from my last visit to the Getz Museum.

ratcheer
03-07-2004, 19:09
#1 is the only cute one, to me. Maybe I'm having too much trouble with the old clothing style.

Tim

boone
03-07-2004, 20:19
but the photo references Gethsemane, KY (SW of Bardstown? - not to be confused with Gethsemani Abbey in Trappist, KY, and SE of Bardstown).




Some more geographical confusion for you...

The Abbey of Gethsemane (Trappist) and the distillery (photo attached to my post) were within walking distance...How's that for geograhical confusion? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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cowdery
03-07-2004, 20:49
To add a little more to it, there were two distilleries at Gethsemane, right next to each other. One was Yellowstone, which was owned by one of the Dants, and the other was F.G. Head, which later became M.C. Beam, and which employed Joe Beam (Bettye Jo's great grandfather) as its master distiller. Dant eventually bought the Beam distillery and made Yellowstone at both.

Also by the way, the country around Gethsemane is quite rugged compared to the area around Bardstown, mountainous almost. I don't know if it had anything to do with the distilleries or not, but right across from the monestary is a road called Whiskey Mountain or Whiskey Hill, something like that. When I was running around down there I was glad to have 4-wheel drive.

Gethsemane, for those who don't know, is famous as the redoubt of Thomas Merton, the writer and philosopher. A friend of mine in Louisville used to tell me stories that when Merton was a young monk he would sneak out of the monestary and hop a freight train up to Louisville, where he and my friend would go out to hear jazz.

brendaj
03-08-2004, 08:24
Great stuff Chuck! I didn't know that, and I live here.
I'm going to have to check out Whiskey Hill!
Gethsemane is beautiful. They own several thousand acres, and it is all-looked after very well. We used to trailride on their property.
The Abbey of Gethsemane (http://www.monks.org/aloneingod.html)
Here's a useless but interesting tidbit...The Monks were among the first in the county to have internet access and a website... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif
Here's a cool shot I took last spring. This is in the back of the wall that surrounds the place.
Bj

Bill_Hilly
03-08-2004, 08:34
I happen to be an archivist at the Thomas Merton Center (http://www.merton.org/). I know more about Merton than I know about the distilleries Chuck mentioned. Besides Merton's work as a writer, he was a good photographer (we've got ~1,350 photos of his at the Center). He photographed some old distillery warehouses in the 60's, but I'm not sure exactly which ones they were.

I know some folks who accompanied Merton to the Jazz clubs. It certainly happened, but less often than he's gained a reputation for. He had medical problems that provided a few easy excuses to make it to Louisville or Lexington. However, for the most part, he didn't wander much in his 27 years of monastic life. The one big trip to New Mexico, California, Alaska, and finally to Asia, was quite the exception. Unfortunately for us, he also encountered the accident in Bangkok in '68 that cost him his life quite prematurely.

Merton was known to have had bourbon at times, but I've read more references to a fondness for beer and brandy when he could get it.

Nice pic, Brenda.

I like Gethsemani's bourbon fudge, bourbon fruitcake, and cheese, but it's too bad they didn't take up making bourbon long ago like the Belgian Trappists and their beer brewing. You can buy all their bourbon-soaked goodies on the website Brenda mentioned.

brendaj
03-08-2004, 09:11
B'Hilly,
Well, Welcome to our group! This is very cool!


he was a good photographer (we've got ~1,350 photos of his at the Center). He photographed some old distillery warehouses in the 60's, but I'm not sure exactly which ones they were.



I would LOVE to see those photos. Are you open to the public?
Bj

Bill_Hilly
03-08-2004, 10:00
The Merton Center is at Bellarmine University Library in Louisville and is open to the public from 8-5, Mon-Fri, free of charge. Some of Merton's photos are now framed and hanging in the hallway outside the Center and can be seen nights and weekends during the regular library hours.

We've got the aforementioned photos, drawings by Merton, paintings by his father, all of Merton's published works, manuscripts for his books, and correspondence with Dorothy Day, Thich Nhat Hanh, RFK, Aldous Huxley, etc. (~2,000 correspondents).

I'd be happy to show you around, Bj. The invitation also extends to all SB.com readers.

Mark

bourbonv
03-08-2004, 12:36
This photo is one of about 6 that are in the United Distillers Archive that came to the archive through Glenmore. It is the old Yellowstone distillery before it was moved to Louisville after prohibition. The other photos show distillery and warehouses. United Distillers archive also has photographs of the old Dant Distillery near this distillery. When Schenley bought that distillery in the 40's is was in very bad shape and they ended up scraping the old distillery and warehouses. They also have photographs of the old Stamping Grounds distillery in Scott County. Schenley ran that distillery until it closed in the 1960's.

The Getz copy of this photo is part of an exhibit United Distillers did for the Festival in 1993. The exhibit included shots of every modern distillery and about a dozen shots of distilleries that no longer function.

Mike Veach

ratcheer
03-08-2004, 19:00
I like Gethsemani's bourbon fudge, bourbon fruitcake, and cheese, but it's too bad they didn't take up making bourbon long ago like the Belgian Trappists and their beer brewing. You can buy all their bourbon-soaked goodies on the website Brenda mentioned.



I have had the fruitcake. It is to die for. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

Tim

bobbyc
03-08-2004, 20:35
They feature them on the local news from time to time, They use.........drum roll please........
Jim Beam Bourbon on the fruitcakes. Yummy http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

<font color="red"> Good God give us all Some! </font>

bobbyc
03-08-2004, 20:43
Excellent Bill,I've read Seven Storey Mountian. Reading as much Thomas Merton as I can is on the list. I'm not getting far with it, but I have an interest and a desire too. Put me down for a visit.

cowdery
03-09-2004, 09:28
United Distillers archive also has photographs of the old Dant Distillery near this distillery.



I thought Yellowstone was the Dant distillery. Wasn't the nearby distillery M.C. Beam, which Dant subsequently bought? Or was there a third distillery, also owned by Dant? I know the Dants had quite a few of them.

bourbonv
03-09-2004, 09:47
Chuck,
There was the Yellowstone Distillery and then there was the J W Dant Distillery. When Schenley bought this distillery, there had been a fire at the distillery and the photographs show them pulling the old column stills out of the ruins. They then rebuilt a JW Dant distillery nearby.

For your information for future references, the U D Archive has photographs of the following distilleries:
A. Ph. Stitzel - Louisville Story Ave.
Stitzel-Weller - Shively
Four Roses - Shively
Glenmore - Owensboro
Yellowstone - Shively
Yellowstone - Dant, Ky.
Medley - Ownesboro
Fleischmann - Cincinatti
George T. Stagg - Frankfort
James E Pepper - Lexington
Bernheim - Louisville (17th &amp; Breckinridge)
Bernheim - Berheim Lane
Park And Tilford (formerly Bonnie Bros.) Louisville Portland
Limestone - Chapeze, Ky.
Pebbleford - Ekron, Ky.
Fairfield Distillery - Bardstown, Ky.
Buffalo Springs - Stamping Ground
New England Rum Distillery - Covington, Ky.
George T. Stagg - Loretto, Ky.
J W Dant - Gethsemane, Ky.
George T. Stagg - Lebanon, Ky.
George Dickel - Tennessee.
Schenley - Pennsylvania
Old Quaker - Lawrenceburg, Ind.
Lincoln Trail - Tell City, Ind.
There may be a few more that are not coming to me right now. As you can tell, after Schenley changed the Stagg to the Ancient Age distillery, they would label a smaller distillery the George T. Stagg distillery and usually close it down within the next year or so. It was sort of the "kiss of death" for the distillery to be named Gerge t. Stagg by Schenley.
Mike Veach

brendaj
03-09-2004, 09:57
Why thank you kind sir! I will be there.
Maybe if anyone else is interested (Bobby? Mike? Bettye Jo?) we can make a day of it, an have a Bourbon after our visit... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif
I'm pm you for details.
Thanks for the invite!
Bj

Bill_Hilly
03-09-2004, 17:59
If you can arrange something, just come to the Merton Center late in the day, so I can join you guys afterward for drinks. (We can discuss through PM).

Regarding Mike's post with the list of distilleries and regarding distilleries in the Gethsemane/Gethsemani (both town with an "e" and monastery with an "i") area in general, I found a reference to which distillery Merton was photographing:

"...one of the best things we did was take pictures of the old ruined distillery at Dant Station. The long red warehouses, and the wonderful proportion of spaces in the wall, broken up with an interesting low line of narrow windows. Other side, down the road to the creek, windows and doors broken open and Dant labels lying all over the road in hundreds."

-Turning Toward the World: The Pivotal Years (The Journals of Thomas Merton, Volume 4: 1960-1963) by Thomas Merton, p. 135.

boone
05-01-2004, 19:47
Hi Chuck,

I stopped and turned on this dirt road, just to get this picture for you http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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boone
05-01-2004, 20:05
I drove by the Abbey to see how much progress has been done on the new visitor center. Quite abit.

See that stone wall. That has always been a barrier. For as long as I can remember it was restricted. Now the visitor center faces the wall... on the other side...Is that stone wall going to come down after all these years? I don't know the answer but it looks silly facing that wall.

I can remember my daddy taking us, there for confession, as a young girl. I remember him telling us (girls) to sit still and don't move because girls are not allowed, only in the chapel. I asked him why? He said that's just the way they are. We sat still until he came back. I felt a awful dislike when he told me that...Left a lasting impression. When I dropped in there today to take this picture, I "still" had that very un-welcome feeling.

Here is the new visitor center. The sign on the left side---> Monastic area, Keep Out... The sign on the other side was to let you know there was a security system in place. This is the only entrance I could see. I assume that the signs will come down and the gates will be open for the entrance to the center.

boone
05-01-2004, 20:35
Whenever you travel Kentucky look for "marker's". They state alot of historical facts along Kentucky's Highways....This one in particular, gave a little history about Basil Hayden. Pottingers Station (the actual landing) is nearly right smack in the middle of my little hometown.

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BTW---All the roadside markers are not religious stuff...Just happened, that this one was real close to the church, so I ran over there to read it.

boone
05-01-2004, 20:42
Here is a picture of that church built in 1823...You can tell by the pattern of the bricks the year it was built and by those stars...for structure support...We call it Holy Cross Church. It's still in use today. The unusual thing about this old church is the grave yard's location. The burial grounds are on each side of the sidewalk as you enter the church and around the back.

I am told that this is the oldest church in the state of Kentucky.

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cowdery
05-01-2004, 22:34
Well, I got the Whiskey part right, anyway.

Thanks for the pic.

bobbyc
05-02-2004, 16:49
because girls are not allowed,



They made an exception for a Queen once, Being I suppose Queen Maria of Romania, she is the only Queen to have visited the area. They marked every place her feet touched and after her visit all of that was dug or chiseled out and placed outside of the walls.

boone
05-02-2004, 17:51
Good Grief http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The sign (by the Commonwealth of Kentucky) reads as follows...Abbey of Our Lady of Gethsemani. Founded 1848 of the order of Trappist-Cistercians. Founded 1098 in France. Noted for Prayer, Labor and Silence.

They depend on no one but themselves. They live off the land. They are famous for their Fruit Cakes, Cheese, and fudge. I remember several years ago, The Wall Street Journal did a story on their Fruit Cake. There business exploded...They had to shut down the web site, it literally put them on the map.

I sent Jim some Monk's Cheese for Christmas one year. Jim said, the package was puffed when it arrived at his home. It's really stinky stuff...but everybody tells me it's the best cheese in the world...Gotta say...ain't nuthin' that smells like stinky feet going in my mouth http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

Right across from the Abbey there is a beautiful lake. A lot of area folks would go swimming there. It was better than the river...no cows http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Many, many, many times we would go swimming in, Monks Lake, along with half of "southern Nelson County"....

My (now) brother in law Steve, drove all of us there in his old Ford. While we were swimming, my brother Victor was playing inside Steve's Ford...Well...you guessed it...He started that old thing right up and drove it right into the lake http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif...We are lucky nobody was killed. Anyway, the monks posted "no trespassing" signs after that incident. Those signs didn't do a bit of good...So...to make a long story short, they donated the money to have a swimming pool built, at the city park in New Haven http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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cowdery
05-02-2004, 23:01
When I lived in Kentucky I used to give the cheese and fruit cakes as gifts. Both were very good. I never found the cheese 'stinky.' It was sort of like Edam. I liked it, but haven't had it for years. The fruit cakes too were much better than most. One nice gift item was a half fruit cake packed with a half round of cheese. They were the same size. All in all an outstanding Kentucky product, up there with country ham and, of course, bourbon whiskey.

Oh, did I mention their fruit cake and fudge contain bourbon? Here's the link. (http://www.gethsemanifarms.org/)

Bill_Hilly
05-03-2004, 12:47
I like the cheese as well. However, I heard that there was a bad batch of the cheese made at some point in the past year. People complained of "exploding cheese". Whatever this process was, it may account for the puffed or stinky effect that Bettye Jo mentions. Truly, though, I think it's the exception to the rule with their fine products. And as Chuck points out, you can't go wrong with their bourbon-laced products.

I know that visitors are both a blessing and a dilemma for Gethsemani. As Trappists, they chose a life of silence and prayer. However, due to "Merton mania", they have constant tourists. Following St. Benedict's Rule, they are supposed to hold hospitality as a high virtue. The walled off areas help them to keep the lifestyle they've committed to and keep some privacy and solitude (imagine having guests in your house 365 days a year!). This retreat house is a good idea for them. It will allow them to put forward a more welcoming face than a "do not enter" sign.

Before, visitors often did not know where to go and ended up at the retreat house. Many people, religious or not, come to experience some true silence and get away from the noisy world. I think funneling the "tourist" to the Welcome Center is another way of protecting a sense of quiet for people coming there for solitude.

I think you'll find women very welcomed at Gethsemani now. Things have changed from the old days (pre-60's reforms) when they were rarely allowed permission to speak to each other in the community and mainly communicated with their own system of sign language when something important needed said.

I've had a chance to talk with some of the monks and some are quite gregarious. I got to spend a week there recently, and they were very hospitable. If you plan to spend time there, plan ahead, because the guest house gets full up quickly. Another good option is to stay with the nearby Sisters of Loretto, who are very friendly and their guesthouse doesn't fill as fast as Gethsemani's.

Mark

boone
05-04-2004, 07:43
Whatever this process was, it may account for the puffed or stinky effect that Bettye Jo mentions.



I am going to set this straight...Inside the package of cheese there is a small brochure. It clearly states, "if the bag is puffy, the cheese may be rinsed, dried and placed in a container or food wrap for refrigeration before use". This is normal...If, you were familiar, with this "world famous cheese" you would have known that. I have been "around" Monks Cheese my entire life. It smells...In my opinion, it stinks, smells like stinky feet...I buy Monks products very, very often. I send it around "this country" as a special gift from me...Duhhhhhh...When I send the cheese ,I always warn them it "stinks"...but it's the "best cheese in the world"...There it is...in black and white...plain as day...My Opinion...not (your) account...

When I read this, I thought...maybe it's me...Soooo...I did a little survey...I live in the most concentrated area of folks who consume Monks Cheese. I made a point to ask each and every employee (80+ people) who works the night shift at Heaven Hill Distillieries, "What does Monk's Cheese smell like"?...Every single response was...It stinks...I said, Ok, but what does it smell like?...The majority answer was, stinky socks, shoes or feet.

Everyone asked me why I was asking such a question. I told them about this thread. I "would" post what the majority of them said ...but I will leave that up to your imagination.

I talked to the Mayor of New Haven, Tessie Cecil. We relived, the story about the Monks donating the money for the swimming pool and about the stinky cheese. She invited me to lunch with the Abbot of Gethsemani, Father Damien Thompson (in a couple of weeks). She told me to interview him. I just laughed, and said that they would thow me out http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif

Hmmmmmmmm...just might go with her to talk to him...First thing, I will tell him...That cheese sure "STINKS" http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif cause it does...

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Bill_Hilly
05-04-2004, 08:52
Alright, alright, it's stinky! I'll say it. But, Vive la "stinky"! I like it. It has character.

The batch I made reference to was one that I guess was out of the ordinary in that it was bursting it's packaging.

boone
05-04-2004, 09:12
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Good nuff http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I know it's good cheese cause all of my family and friends love it...My husband (Pat) in particular loves it the most. It's his favorite food http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif At Christmas, I always buy him the "biggest box" of cheese they offer...At night, when we go to sleep, I can "still smell" the cheese on him. He (extra) washes his hands and teeth but the smell is still there...Geezzzzzzzz...what a price to pay for cheese http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Bill_Hilly
05-04-2004, 10:01
Bettye Jo, do you like the bourbon fudge? I'm sure you've tried it.

Words of advice to others who haven't had the bourbon fudge- follow the directions. Directions? For fudge, you may ask? Actually, it's important.

Step 1: In the box, the monks wisely tell you to cut the fudge cold. This is pretty obvious. It keeps the knife from getting bogged down in a gooey mess.

Step 2: They next tell you to let it get to room temp to eat it. Sounds simple, but after you open the box, smell the bourbon and see the fudge, you'll want to eat it immediately (as I did the first time). DON'T EAT THE FUDGE...http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif YET! Wait until it warms up as they suggest. You'll taste the buttery flavor of the fudge which mingles with the bourbon better. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif When cold, the flavors don't blend as well.

Has anyone found the same thing? If you're going to do it, do it right.

Mark

boone
05-04-2004, 10:14
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif The brochure http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif...

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Bill_Hilly
05-04-2004, 10:24
Thanks, Bettye Jo,

Truly words to live by!

ratcheer
05-04-2004, 19:05
Well, bleu / roquefort cheese stinks, too. But, it sure is good.

Tim