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Bamber
06-08-2004, 07:43
I'm a long time Scotch drinker who has really got into American whiskey this last 12 months. Here is my top 5 (so far).

1. Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye 13YO - best whisky(ey) I have ever tasted http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
2. Sazerac 18YO rye
3. Buffalo Trace
4. Ancient Ancient Age 10YO
5. EC12YO

Don't like:

1. JB White label - strictly for guests.
2. Pikesvile (its ok)

Are other Van Winkle whiskies as good as the rye ?
Any recommendations - I like strong tastes.

Cheers,

B.

cowdery
06-08-2004, 09:13
You are a quick learner, Grasshopper. The only flaw I can find in your choices is that four of your five come from the same place, Buffalo Trace.

Everything with the name "Van Winkle" on it is, indeed, quite good.

This is not my "top 5" but some suggestions for products you should try, especially considering your preference for "strong tastes."

1. EC 18 y/o
2. Wild Turkey Russell's Reserve
3. Ezra B
4. Old Grand-Dad BIB or 114
5. Pure Kentucky XO (a little too much barrel for my taste, but many here like it and it is unquestionably flavorful.)

Bamber
06-08-2004, 09:40
Thanks,

I hope to get a bottle of the WT Russell Reserve in a couple of weeks.

Is that the black label Ezra b ?

Pappy Van Winkle is expensive over here - what's the best 'bang for your buck' ?

Cheers,

B.

cowdery
06-08-2004, 11:50
The labels might be different, but it's a 15-year-old, 99 proof.

Pappy is high everywhere, but here there are more moderately priced expressions. Look for the 15-year-old.

I guess I have a thing for 15-year-olds. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/kiss.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/kiss.gif

TNbourbon
06-08-2004, 14:43
Buffalo Trace has the largest stock of 'old' bourbon out there, and 'old' will get you lots of flavor. Another UK poster mentioned the availability of Eagle Rare 17yo, also a BT product. I'd certainly suggest that if you can get it.
2. Don't give up on Jim Beam -- try the black label, a close kin to Booker's;
3. George T. Stagg, if you can get it (yet another Buffalo Trace bottling);
4. Evan Williams Single Barrel (any year), if available;
5. Any Old Forester (but, especially, the 100-proof or Birthday Bourbons).

As Chuck said, this is not necessarily a 'Top 5', but a 'Suggestible 5'.

jeff
06-08-2004, 15:44
My top five as of today are as follows:

1. Black Maple Hill 16yo (new style)
2. George T Stagg 2002
3. Old Forester Birthday Bourbon 2002
4. Pappy Van Winkle 20yo
5. Eagle Rare 17yo

This list is effective until midnight tonight, at which time I reserve the right to completely revise it to meet the every changing demands of my taste buds. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

angelshare
06-08-2004, 16:14
Can you get WT 12 year there? I am less experienced than others here, but I would add that to the suggestions above based on your biases. We have about 375ml left from a bottle we have been savoring for over 2 years. Unless I am mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong so I can track some down while in Kentucky!!!), it is now for export only.

Dave_in_Canada
06-08-2004, 16:22
Bamber, as you're located in the UK, you're going to be seeing alot of posts here listing bourbons you'll never be able to find. I call that torture. So to reply to your original question "your top 5", here's my top 5, with number 1 being the most important.

5. Any bourbon that says "now that was worth the price"
4. Any bourbon you can find a good purpose for, whether it's taken neat, with an ice cube, a splash of water, or as a mixer in your favorite cocktail.
3. Any bourbon a friend buys you, regardless whether they know what your favorite brand is (and regardless whether it's a well bourbon)
2. Any bourbon your wife or signifant other can enjoy with you
1. Any bourbon you can enjoy in the company of good friends

Regardless of what you buy, enjoy!


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Paradox
06-08-2004, 19:00
As of right now and in no particular order:

Eagle Rare 17yo
Evan Williams Single Barrel (Any Vintage)
AH Hirsch 16 and/or 20 yo
Old Rip Van Winkle 15yo
Sazerac 18yo


If you want to include something that is export only that I really like, include Wild Turkey Kentucky Legend, Single Barrel Barrel Proof. (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=23711&page=1&view=col lapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1)

OneCubeOnly
06-08-2004, 19:19
Here's my current all-time top-5:

1. Pappy 20
2. Old Forester Birthday Bourbon '02
3. A. H. Hirsch Reserve 16yo
4. Blanton's Single Barrel
5. Old Forester Birthday Bourbon Spring '03 (Yes--Spring over the Fall...I'm in a minority it seems!)

Note that this is a top-5 for *ME*, not necessarily an answer to your "big taste" question. Booker's, OGD 114, Stagg, WT Kentucky Spirit are all take-no-prisoner types. It's probably also not a coincidence that they're high-proof offerings.

Good luck in your search!
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bobbyc
06-08-2004, 19:57
Unless I am mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong so I can track some down while in Kentucky!!!), it is now for export only.





Not even that any more, Jimmy Russell signed one for me about a year ago give or take and he told me then it was being discontinued overseas as well. A stray bottle shows up every now and then, I have never, as has been the luck of some here, to find someone glad to be rid of it and to sell it at a heavy discount.

It's rare and very good, always a good one to find. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

gr8erdane
06-08-2004, 21:03
I'd have to say my top 5 are:

1. Pappy 20
2. Van Winkle Family Reserve Lot B
3. A H Hirsch 16
4. W L Weller 19
5. Black Maple Hills 14

These are all expressions I have in my collection. I have tasted others that could make it, but these are like my children, I have to dote on them.

Bamber
06-09-2004, 01:50
Thank you all for your advice http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seems the 15YO PVW is very popular - we can get that here about $80 a bottle - looks like a tasty investment.

I have bottles of the JB black and yellow label on the go at the moment and like them a lot (actually prefer yellow label). Also like Knob Creek - a JB product I believe.

Have not seen the WT 12YO - the Russell Reserve is 10YO - but I will keep an eye out for it.

As for the availability of good American Whisky here - well you have to go to specialist shops and it is *much* more expensive than in the US, but I still think it is generally better value than Scotch when you compare the quality of the product.

Finally Stagg - I searched long and hard for a bottle of that and managed to get some about 3 months ago (2003 version). I know I'm going to like it but I had to pay * way over the odds for it * - I'm saving it for a very special occasion http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cheers http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

B.

Oh yeh - DaveM - I'm afraid most of my friends are 'Scotch snobs' and ironically seem to think Jack Daniel's is the beginning and end of Bourbon (its nice enough). My girlfriend is a convert however - her favourite is Fighting Cock.

Its all Good http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

camduncan
06-09-2004, 02:20
Of the Bourbons I've tried, I'd have to rate my top 5 as (in no particular order) -

1. Bookers
2. Elijah Craig 12yo
3. Woodford Reserve
4. Wild Turkey Rare Breed
5. not sure yet....

Of course, Jim Beam and Cola cans or bottles are always a convenient BBQ favourite http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bamber, it seems you probably have similar problems to us here in Australia - that of finding good bourbons, and when you do find a good one, being able to afford it without mortgaging the house http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif
(I did manage to find the Australian Heaven Hill distributor though, so have found some more brands to enjoy over the next few months. Sadly, the Heaven Hill brand itself is absent. It isn't exported to Australia http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif)

Gillman
06-09-2004, 04:59
Here are my all-time top five bourbons. I'll pretend ORVW rye is bourbon for this exercise since it is so bourbon-like. Also, I'll give a one or two word description to try to sum up each drink's virtues:

1) ORVW 13 year old Family Reserve Rye (especially earlier bottlings) - complexity

2) Russell's Reserve 10 year old - rich char

3) certain bottlings of Birthday Bourbon - luscious flavor

4) Very Old Barton 86 proof - fine balance

5) EW 1994 Single barrel - liquid silk

Honorable mention: Blanton's, whose characteristics include most of the descriptors above.

Gary

cowdery
06-09-2004, 08:08
Sadly, the Heaven Hill brand itself is absent. It isn't exported to Australia



Don't feel too bad. It isn't exported to Illinois either.

Dave_in_Canada
06-09-2004, 10:40
Sadly, the Heaven Hill brand itself is absent. It isn't exported to Australia



Don't feel too bad. It isn't exported to Illinois either.



NONE of the bourbons made by Heaven Hill are available in this part of Canada. I have to mail order my favourite, EC 12.

Bob
06-09-2004, 12:55
I'm a somewhat "reformed" http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Single Malt Scotch guy myself, and although I still enjoy SMS, I've become a "converted" bourbon fan. Although it's hard to name my current favorite 5 bourbons, I'll give it a shot...

Numero Uno: George T Stagg - Gotta love this monster bourbon! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif

2: Hirsch 16 Year Old - it should have been against the law for them to close down the Michter's distillery in PA! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

3: Very Very Old Fitzgerald: although I haven't had this very often, it is one fine drink! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

4: Old Charter's Proprietors Reserve: I haven't had an opportunity to try the Buffalo Trace version, but I really like this one out of Louisville! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

5: Old Rip Van Winkle 12.5 Year Old, 107 Proof: I love both the 10 and 15 Year Old versions, and couldn't pick one, so I'll call it the 12.5! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If I could add a few more, I'd say Old Forester Birthday Bourbons, Evan Williams Single Barrels, Eagle Rare 17 Year Old, Buffalo Trace, and Van Winkle 13 Year Old Rye! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Bob

SteelerFan
06-09-2004, 14:32
Here's my 5 at the moment.
VWFR rye 13 yo. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif
Ezra B 15 yo.
OGD 114
Hirsch 16 yo.
Stagg 2003

I like Rye http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

camduncan
06-09-2004, 16:08
NONE of the bourbons made by Heaven Hill are available in this part of Canada. I have to mail order my favourite, EC 12



Locally, we get a good share of the brands made by Heaven Hill, but not Heaven Hill itself. Apparently the supplier stopped importing it...

doubleblank
06-10-2004, 07:38
Here are my top choices in no particular order. I'll always have one of these open and one (at least) in reserve.

Rock Hill Farms
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo/107 proof
Wathens
A H Hirsch 16yo
Black Maple Hill 14yo

The following are always close to cracking into the top 5.....Stagg, EW Single Barrels, Blanton's and Rare Breed.

Randy B.

SSBourbon1
06-10-2004, 07:47
It's been a while since I have gotten on here to read the posts. Moved to North Carolina a short while ago and finally got my bourbons unpacked (don't tell anyone that I crossed over from Virginia to NC with a whole lot of bourbon) Anyway, been having time to relax finally and realize that my tastes are heading to the higher proffs right now over all. My top five today are:

Old Granddad 114
WT Rare Breed\
ORVW 20 year
Weller Centenial 10 year
ORVW 15 year

cas
06-10-2004, 10:20
My list isn't particularly different from those posted so far:
GT Stagg
12 yr Wild Turkey
15 yr ORVW
12 yr ORVW
12 Elijah Craig
Blantons could be squeezed on there as well.

Craig

wadewood
06-10-2004, 11:12
OK, I will play:

Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit
Elijah Craig
Rock Hills Farm
Eagle Rare 17 YO
George T. Stagg

Black85L98
06-10-2004, 21:09
This game is so hard.

#1 Stagg
#2 Eagle Rare SB
#3 OGD 114/EC 12YO (tie)
#5 Old Weller 107

Not in the top 5 today but could be next week

Old forester Birthday Bourbon
Any of Wild Turkey's even the 80 proof

Old Ezra

You know most bourbon is good, you have to reach way down to find bad bourbon. I guess that is one of the things I like best about it.

HGB3
06-11-2004, 13:01
Okay, one more list, in no particular order:

*Old Weller Antique, a whiskey that can be hard to get to know, but give it time to open up and you will find it has delicious oak and vanilla flavors with a smooth finish. Sweet fire.

*Old Forester Birthday Bourbon, any year.

*Old Forester 100 proof. Has chocolate overtones.

*Elijah Craig 12 Year Old.

*Blantons

Enjoy,
Hank

angelshare
06-11-2004, 15:33
*Old Weller Antique, a whiskey that can be hard to get to know, but give it time to open up and you will find it has delicious oak and vanilla flavors with a smooth finish. Sweet fire.



Oh, yeah! Actually, OW Antique and I hit it off from the start!

Tina & I both really like this one, and, in the USA anyway, it's a bargain in my opinion. Not sure if it fits Bamber's heavy/woody tastes, based on the preferences above. Regardless, I bet the Weller line (SR, Antique, Centennial, 12 year) would make for an interesting series of tastings if they are accessible.

I've never had the 19 year. Maybe one day...

brian12069
06-11-2004, 21:20
ok...definately in this order...
1. Rip Van Winkle 15 year...Nothing tastes like this...firey maple syrup!
2. Rip Van Winkle 10 year...just about as good as the 15 year...
3. Old Fitzgerald 1849...DAMN good stuff!!!...priced right too http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
4. Weller 12 year
5. Weller 7 year...
also recieving votes...Rebel Yell, Woodford Reserve, Bookers 126 proof, .....
But I have to be honest with you...nothing in the world tastes like Van Winkle 15 year...yum yum yum.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

tlsmothers
06-11-2004, 21:42
Van Winkle
Van Winkle
Van Winkle
Van Winkle
Van Winkle

OK, is that fair? I guess you get my drift, though. If I have to be fair:
1. Ezra Brooks 7 (107)
2. Hirsch 16
3. Jefferson Very Old
4. Booker's
5. Elijah Craig 12

dgonano
06-11-2004, 23:01
This is my current top five simply because the list represents the last five bottles I have consumed.

Old Forester 100 -always have a few bottles on hand

W.L. Weller 12 -very enjoyable, smooth wheater

W.T. Russell's Reserve

W.T. Rare Breed -both Wild Turkey bottlings were excellent

Van Winkle 13 yr Rye -any JVW product would make the list

Tallica
06-14-2004, 04:29
I am a recent convert from wine although I still drink some grape juice.
My top five in value for money

1.Buffalo Trace
2.Wild Turkey 8 yr old
3.Jim Beam Black label
4.Bookers
5.EC 12YR OLD
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angelshare
06-14-2004, 05:04
Just out of curiosity, can you tell us the approximate price of each of those brands in Australia?

In VA, EC 12 is a great bargain. Depending on whether it's on sale, it runs about $13-15. Booker's, while a great bourbon, runs about $50.

camduncan
06-14-2004, 17:38
I know the following prices, I'm sure Andrew can fill in the remainder...

1.Buffalo Trace
..I've never seen this one for sale here, and would really like to find some http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
2.Wild Turkey 8 yr old
..around $25-$40 AU
3.Jim Beam Black label
..around the $40 AU
4.Bookers
..anywhere from $78-98 AU
5.EC 12YR OLD
..$40 AU - only available from the one retail chain (which is currently out of stock Australia wide http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif)

Bamber
06-17-2004, 03:02
Hi All,

After much deliberation and reading your advice I have ordered (for my holiday in Cornwall):

Wild Turkey Russell Reserve.
Van Winkle 15YO (107 proof)

Did actually see a bottle of WT 12YO on the web - same price as the Russell Reserve.

Cannot wait http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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B.

pete_d
06-17-2004, 03:50
So far I'm somewhat of a tyro, having up until 3 months ago been conditioned to douse bourbon with Coke, but lately:

1. Bookers - sits you on your bum fast, powerful but smooth
2. EVSB 93 - gentle and syrupy, vanilla/choc taste & nose
3. WT 101 - Complex & a little bite, not too hot going down
4. Heydens - quite subtle, mint in the nose, gentle wood
5. Makers - average, add some port to a glass and its great

One's I'll have to try: (and gettable in Aus)
Elijah Craig 12 and 18
Woodford Reserve
Knob Creek
Evan Single Barrel '94
JD Single Barrel
Wild Turkey Rare Breed

Tallica
06-17-2004, 09:25
1. I import the buffalo Trace which boosts the price up to $37AU plus shipping DON'T ASK!!

2.Wild Turkey 8 yr old goes for approx $38AU,if Cam can get it at $25AU hes doing pretty well but I would be surpised if its 8 yr old & not just the 101

3.Got a case of Black Label recently for $29AU, real bargain

4. Bookers I would agree with what Cam quotes in $78-$98AU but would not pay anything over $89AU

5.EC 12 YR old, sorry Cam but I could buy a case of it at several places near me at $36AU
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TNbourbon
06-17-2004, 13:32
Either the Russell's Reserve was too dear, or the Wild Turkey 12yo a heckuva bargain. When you can still find it around here, the WT12 is just short of double the RR. I was sorely tempted just yesterday by a bottle at $52 U.S. (which would have been $57 after sales tax). Passed on it because that was about all I had in my pocket at the time, but with much regret. Russell Reserve is generally $25-$30.

camduncan
06-17-2004, 16:21
Welcome abord pete_d - it's great to see another Aussie posting here http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif



2.Wild Turkey 8 yr old goes for approx $38AU,if Cam can get it at $25AU hes doing pretty well but I would be surpised if its 8 yr old & not just the 101



Whoops, my bad.
That was a typo - should have been $35-40AU for Wild Turkey



5.EC 12 YR old, sorry Cam but I could buy a case of it at several places near me at $36AU



I phoned several of my local Coles/Myer Liquorland stores, all where out of stock, and all had been told the supplier was waiting on more stock. Stores down your way must still have in on the shelves (dammit!) Those shops that I did speak to said it sells extremely quickly.

Incidently, the Heaven Hill Manager in New Zealand said that we should pester our local Coles/Myer retailer Liquorland, Vintage Cellars & Theo's) to order the Elijah Craig 18yo. He's very keen to start exporting it to Australia..
Now, if only we could get one of the bigger retail chains to start importing http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif Van Winkle... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

pete_d
06-17-2004, 18:12
So that means the the Elijah Craig 18 at my local is an independant import. Now I'm not surprised it's going for $110.

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between the Wild Turkey 101 and the 8 year old. I thought the 101 came in 8 or 12 year old blends.

Cam, do I also take it that the Heaven-Hill imported was in New Zealand, and covers Australia as well? How the hell am I gonna get the EWSB 94?

darrylovia
06-17-2004, 19:40
This is my first time here but these are my top 5. But of course limiting to the top 5 is hard

1) Makers Mark is my favorite general pour
2) Booksers is just awesome
3) you can't go worng with Knob Creek
4) Weller Centennial is the most unique bourbon out there
5) Evan Williams Single Barrel any vintage

plus
Anything from Eagle Rare

Bamber
06-18-2004, 05:41
Either the Russell's Reserve was too dear, or the Wild Turkey 12yo a heckuva bargain. When you can still find it around here, the WT12 is just short of double the RR. I was sorely tempted just yesterday by a bottle at $52 U.S. (which would have been $57 after sales tax). Passed on it because that was about all I had in my pocket at the time, but with much regret. Russell Reserve is generally $25-$30.





Actually the 12YO is £3 cheaper but its still £36 - about $60 I guess.

You lucky Americans http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

voigtman
06-18-2004, 19:06
My bourbonic experience level is lower than that of many SB.comers, but, factoring that in, my top five to date are:

Hirsch 16 gold foil (I have some gold wax ones as well, so they may be even better! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif)
Stagg 2003 (never got/tried the 2002 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/hot.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/hot.gif)
Elijah Craig 18 (which is normally $44 USD in my area, but I can get relatively nearby for only $29!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif)
Van Winkle 15, 107 US proof http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif
Eagle Rare (any year)

Honorable mentions:

Pappy 20 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Evan Williams SB 1991 (only one tried so far, but the 1994 is on my buy list)
Ezra B 15 (the new 12 YO is now on my buy list, since the 15 is nowhere near my area and Binnys/Sams don't ship to most states in the USA http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif)
Wild Turkey 12
Elijah Craig 12 (this is great http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif and only $20 in my area!)
Eagle Rare SB, 10
Buffalo Trace

Hated:

Maker's Mark, red wax http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Others:

Old Grandad 114 (good, but I'd like to try the BIB, based on Chuck's intel on BIB bourbons)
Basil Hayden's (OGD lite? Good, but why not just get OGD?)

Cheers, Ed V.

camduncan
06-19-2004, 15:51
Cam, do I also take it that the Heaven-Hill imported was in New Zealand, and covers Australia as well? How the hell am I gonna get the EWSB 94?



It seems that Heaven Hill Distilleries New Zealand are an importing arm of Heaven Hill USA.. They then export a limited number of brands to Australia exclusively through Coles/Myer outlets. In Queensland, the retailer is Liquorland, New South Wales it's Theos, and I'm not sure of the other states.



So that means the the Elijah Craig 18 at my local is an independant import. Now I'm not surprised it's going for $110.


The reply I had from the General Manager of Heaven Hill NZ re EJ 18 was as follows -
"Ask your Liquorland store if they are able to get Elijah Craig 18Year Old Single Barrel Bourbon. I am trying to get them to stock a small quantity as I have had several enquiries for this top product."

Now, We've gone pretty far off-topic on this one, so I will stop here. Australian availability might be worth moving to its own post..:)

Gillman
06-19-2004, 16:22
Gents, good to see you are interested in Bourbon and not only that, good Bourbon. It seems like a number of fine products are obtainable in your patch, but not always without a little difficulty..

I am curious whether Australia and New Zealand make their own whisky. If they do, how would you rate it? Does any of it compare to the best from Scotland (say, Macallan)? Is all of it blended?

Finally, is any of it made in a style which one might call North American, approaching a Canadian or American palate, that is?

Gary

ratcheer
06-19-2004, 21:40
I have tried to stay out of this fray, but I must wade in:

1) Rock Hill Farms
2) WT Rare Breed
3) Old Grand Dad 114
4) Blanton's
5) Elijah Craig 12-yr

The reason I resisted is because I have trouble narrowing it down to five. There are several other wonderful bourbons that I could just as easily put on this list. But in my ABC control state, many are so hard to find as to be unobtainable. E.g., I had one drink of Pappy 20-yr in another city and it was awesome, but I can't get it, so why list it?

Tim

camduncan
06-25-2004, 01:41
I am curious whether Australia and New Zealand make their own whisky. If they do, how would you rate it? Does any of it compare to the best from Scotland (say, Macallan)? Is all of it blended?



I don't know of any Whiskey made from scratch here, although, I've been led to believe (and I could be wrong here...) that some of the Bourbons available in Australia are shipped in barrels and bottled here.

Gillman
06-25-2004, 02:41
Thanks, Australia makes many fine beers (I admire the Cooper's line especially) so with a tradition of mashing barley malt I thought some people may have tried to make whiskey from local materials (the way the Japanese have). I recall reading in Whisky Magazine that a whisky was available for a time in New Zealand called Laiderlaw or Laidlaw (I may not have the name quite right) but apparently they have closed down. It was a kind of experiment for a number of years but was not continued. No, I remember, Lammerlaw, I think that's the name. I saw in London once, and even here in Ontario, I think, a bottling by the Scots whisky merchant, Cadenhead. But as I say it seemed like a one-off and I am sure it was a scotch-style product, not made from a corn-based mash..

Gary

TheWhiskeyViking
06-25-2004, 04:42
Dear Cameron

I believe there is actually a distillery in Tasmania. Our new crown princess Mary actually comes from there. Jim Murray has something listed in his Whisky Bible if Iím not mistaking.

Regards from Denmark

musher
06-25-2004, 14:57
Jim Murray has something listed in his Whisky Bible if Iím not mistaking.



There are a few listed in his Whiskey Bible, actually.
<ul type="square"> Bakery Hill Distillery (in North Bayswater on the outskirts of Melbourne) Tasman Distillery Lark Distillery Tasmania Distillery (not sure how this is different than the one listed above, but they are listed separately) Whisky Tasmania (Based in Burnie, have yet to bottle) [/list]

jbutler
06-25-2004, 22:47
Every once in a while someone makes a posting along these lines. It makes for interesting reading if you juxtapose your choices of several years ago with those of today.

As of today, bourbons I'm drinking in order of enjoyment:

1. 2002 GTS
2. 1982 OGD 114
3. W.L. Weller 19 YO
4. Four Roses Single Barrel
5. Blanton's

lakegz
12-02-2004, 02:33
I havent been lucky enough to have tasted too many bourbons but so far, these are my favs
1)Elijah Craig 12
2)Bookers
3)Wild Turkey Rare Breed
4)Bakers
5)Evan Williams Single Barrel 93.

WEG3
12-02-2004, 05:35
Top 5 commom pours , Stagg is a given if you are so blessed to find it ...

1)ORVW 10 Year 107
2)Ezra Brooks 101
3)Evan Williams 101
4)Old Granddad 114
5) Bellows Club Bourbon ...gone but not forgotten ..
Bill g.

mobourbon
12-02-2004, 09:08
Here are my five favorites. It's tough to put them in order, though. Like Bill g said, Stagg is a given. It's far above anything I've tasted so far.
1- Booker's
2- Bakers
3- Wild Turkey Russel's Reserve
4- Rare Breed
5- Evan Williams Single Barrel
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TrueBarrel
12-02-2004, 11:56
In no particular order (after the Stagg):

Stagg
Rock Hill Farms
OFBB Spring '90
ORVW 15 107
Rare Breed
ER 17 '03

Oops; that's six. Bookers could be on the list, but for what I notice appears to be inconsistency between bottlings.


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BERNCOW
12-02-2004, 20:12
Here are my top 5 - but, as soon as I write this, more research will be done between my glass and my lips. 1 Wild Turkey Rare Breed 2 Woodford Reserve 3 Buffalo Trace 4 Maker's Mark 5 Knob Creek Now back to my research Berncow http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

wrbriggs
12-02-2004, 20:21
This is a tough one for me, but here they are (keep in mind my tastings have been pretty limited so far):
1. Rock Hill Farms
2. Old Charter Proprietor's Reserve
3. Eagle Rare Single Barrel
4. Evan Williams Single Barrel 1994 Vintage
5. Bulleit

Honorable mention - Wild Turkey Rare Breed, Elmer T. Lee, Eagle Rare 101.

halpap
12-02-2004, 22:03
I drink single malts also. These are as good as or better than most single malts and the Stagg and Eagle imo are better than any single malt out there.
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George T. Stagg (of course)
Eagle Rare 17 yo
Jefferson's Reserve
Bookers
Knob Creek

RedVette
12-02-2004, 22:13
*DISCLAIMER* Still a relative noob in the world of Bourbon, and as of yet I still have not tasted Stagg or Pappy 20 or 23 or Hirsch 16 or 20.

1 ORVW 15 107
2 Eagle Rare 17
3 WT RB
4 OGD BIB
5 Blantons

There are a lot of Boutbons that I like a lot that did not make the cut, but if this group were the only Bourbons I could find in my local stores I would still be a happy man.

PFC
12-03-2004, 02:13
Here's my top 5:

1) Wild Turkey 12
2) ORVW 15 107
3) Wild Turkey Kentucky Legend
4) Old Charter Proprietors Reserve 13
5) Bookers

Potential contenders I'd like to try: WT Kentucky Spirit, WT Russels Reserve, WT Rare Breed, Stagg, Black Maple Hill, Hirsch 16.

/M

nysquire
12-03-2004, 03:00
Let's see......

1.EC 18yo for sure....
2.OF 13yo birthday....
3.VW 12yo special reserve
4.Weller 10yo Centennial
5.Rock Hill

jace33
12-03-2004, 19:15
Top five :
1 Booker's
2 Baker's
3 Corner Creek
4 Blatons Single Barrel
5 George T Stagg
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dozerslobber
12-06-2004, 12:27
OK, so I am pretty new to all this, but I have branched out enough to have a top 5.

1 Buffalo Trace
2 Rare Breed
3 Van Winkle Family Res Rye
4 Evan Williams Single Barrel
5 AAA 10yr

Only bourbons that I have consumeed in multiple sittings were considered. This means my Sazarac and recent acquisition of Stagg are not listed for that reason. Also, in the current sampling collection is a bottle of Basil Hayden.

bluesbassdad
12-06-2004, 13:25
Welcome aboard, DS. (Based on your screen name here, I will take a wild guess that you own a dog with large, loose lips, such as a Mastiff or an English Bulldog. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your numbers 1 and 5 suggest the possibility that Rock Hill Farms, Blanton's, or both will someday crack your top five, displacing either one or both of their stablemates, or perhaps one of the non-Buffalo Trace bottlings. I envy you that process of discovery.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Bamber
12-07-2004, 05:56
6 months later:

1. GTS (2003)
2. Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye 13YO
3. ER 17YO
4. Blanton's Silver Edition
5 == Sazerac 18YO Rye
5 == Weller 19YO

Had to be sneaky with the last 2 !!

clayton
12-07-2004, 10:57
My current:

1. Stagg 04
2. VWFRR 13
3. VW 15/107
4. WT Russell's Reserve
5. Sazerac Rye 04

Still unopened on my shelf and will likely change things up: OGD114, OFBB Spring 90, Knob Creek.

TNbourbon
12-07-2004, 15:06
I'm tempted to say the last 5 I've tried -- because there have only been one or two that I won't buy again, and I may even drink those on someone else's dime.
But, anyway, if I were down the my last five bottles, I'd want them to be (today, anyway):
<ul type="square"> 1a. Wild Turkey 12yo (ugly gold label preferred)
1b. George T. Stagg (2003 -- higher proof will last longer because I dilute it)
3. W.L. Weller Centennial
4. Old Forester Birthday Bourbon 1989-2002
5. tie, Sazerac rye or Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye
[/list]

gr8erdane
12-07-2004, 19:38
Hmmmm, I have to choose only 5? That makes it difficult.

1. Stagg 04
2. Stagg 03
3. Randy Blank VWFR Lot B Single barrel
4. Pappy 20
5. BMH 14

There are probably a bunch more that would qualify along with the BMH, such as WT 12, EC 18, and Pappy 15 but I just have to give it the edge.

doubleblank
12-08-2004, 07:06
Here's mine but the order is meaningless.....I'm enjoying them all right now.

1. WT Tribute
2. Hirsch 16 (any version....I like them all)
3. Van Winkle Sp Res 12yo Lot B ("Blankle")
4. Van Winkle 15/107 (Old version)
5. Rock Hill Farms

Other's in and out of that rotation include EWSB '94 and the Birthday Bourbons.

Dane.....need a resupply of the Van Winkle?

Randy

gr8erdane
12-08-2004, 09:47
Are you kidding? Let me know what you want in trade. I have an extra kidney or lung....

RedVette
12-08-2004, 21:22
*DISCLAIMER* Still a relative noob in the world of Bourbon, and as of yet I still have not tasted Stagg or Pappy 20 or 23 or Hirsch 16 or 20.

1 ORVW 15 107
2 Eagle Rare 17
3 WT RB
4 OGD BIB
5 Blantons

There are a lot of Boutbons that I like a lot that did not make the cut, but if this group were the only Bourbons I could find in my local stores I would still be a happy man.



Now I have had Pappy 20, so as of today the list changes to

Pappy 20
ORVW 15 107 (old)
WT RB
ER 17
OGD BIB

This list now puts some delicious Bourbons in the also ran category. It almost isn't fair for the Sam Houstons and the Corner Creeks, and the Blantons. There is just too much good Bourbon out there.

dozerslobber
12-14-2004, 09:38
Welcome aboard, DS. (Based on your screen name here, I will take a wild guess that you own a dog with large, loose lips, such as a Mastiff or an English Bulldog. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

Your numbers 1 and 5 suggest the possibility that Rock Hill Farms, Blanton's, or both will someday crack your top five, displacing either one or both of their stablemates, or perhaps one of the non-Buffalo Trace bottlings. I envy you that process of discovery.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield




Indeed, my 7 year old English Bulldog-Dozer just passed, but he will live on forever in my mind. His name is reserved for a stout that I have yet to drink or brew. On the bourbon side:

I am quite likely the envy of many. Not to gloat, but I live in Cincinnati, OH, just across the river from Kentucky and some of the best liquor stores in the country for bourbon. I have had both Blanton's and Rock Hill Farms, but I won't put one of those on my list until I have personally consumed 1 bottle's worth. My exploration is currently heavily leaning toward rye, as I have 5 different bottles right now. (including a bottle of Anchor Old Portrero) For the time being, I find the holidays more conducive to seasonal beers.

bluesbassdad
12-14-2004, 14:19
I am sorry to hear of your loss. I'm sure Dozer was a fine companion. (You will find many dog-lovers in this group.)

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

idpa2000
12-27-2004, 13:47
Top five (subject to change depending on my pocket book)

Knob Creek
Elijah Craig 12 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Old Grand Dad BIB
Evan Hill Single Barrel
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troyce
12-30-2004, 14:53
At last count , I think I have 17 bourbons in my top 5. Hard as I try, I can't squeeze my favorites to only five, particularly when value and availability are considered. When the mysterious change in my taste buds takes place, like it does every few days, it makes it even more difficult to choose. There is no shortage of great bourbons. It amazes me how many people stick with Scotch and pay twice as much for the sake of image. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

pepcycle
01-04-2005, 12:58
My new top 5
1. BT Single Barrel (Barrel #4)
2. BT single Barrel (Barrel #4)
3. BT Single Barrel (Barrel #4)
4. BT Single Barrel (Barrel #3?)
5. BT
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camduncan
01-04-2005, 15:26
I think every new bourbon I try makes into my top 5 fo a period of time. Without checking my previous post (it'll be interesting to compare later)
My current top 5 would have to be (in no particular order) -

1. Buffalo Trace
2. Evan Williams '94 SB
3. Elijah Craig 12yo
4. Blantons Single Barrel
5. Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo

A noteable abscence is my '04 Stagg - it isn't open yet, so I can't rate it.
I also didn't include Rye whiskey, but I'd rate them as follows (in order) -

1. Old Rip Van Winkle 13yo
2. Sazerac (this would be number 1 if it was readily available)
3. Jim Beam Rye (the only Rye sold in bulk Downunder)
4 & 5 yet to be tasted

mike1
01-05-2005, 16:33
until I try one of the bottles in the back of my stash here are my five.
1.buffalo trace
2. Elijah craig 12
3.old grand dad 114
4.old charter 12 yo
5.blantons
runners up
knob creek
old rip 107
russell reserve

hookfinger
01-06-2005, 15:21
It seems that Buffalo Trace has made it alot of top 5 lately. It's certainly in mine. I gave a bottle of it to one of my employees as part of his X-mas bonus this year, he claims he his not really a whisky drinker. Until now. Says he can't believe how much he enjoyed it. Then his girlfriend showed up at work today and started raving about it. Gotta love that.
My top 5 (in no particular order)
Buffalo Trace
Wild Turkey (common, yes, but consistantly great)
Ancient Ancient Age (never leave Ky. without a half dozen)
Old Granddad bonded
Whatever boubon you are kind enough to offer me.

Black85L98
01-07-2005, 18:55
#1 EC12YO Taste and value
#2 Eagle Rare SB
#3 Wellers Special Reserve
#4 Any Wild Turkey it's all great
#5 Evan Williams BIB Good 100 proof for about $11

All Bourbon is good Bourbon, there is one that tastes like Flintstones but I guess it's good in a Bedrock kinda way.

Gino
01-13-2005, 19:47
Hello,

This is my first post here and I don't have experience with a huge number of bourbons, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.

1) A.H. Hirsch (OK so I only tried it once, but yum)
2) Elijah Craig 18 Year
3) Michter's 10 Year Rye (only rye I've tried so far)
4) Van Winkle 12 Year Special Reserve
5) Woodford Reserve

BTW, I tried to tally up all the votes so far in this thread.
The results are here (not including my 5) if anyone is interested: Bourbon Votes (http://homepage.mac.com/egualt/bourbon)

DISCLAIMERS:<ul type="square"> I was drinking bourbon while I did this. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif I didn't always try to distinguish between different bottlings from the same brand. I included "Honorable Mentions". The variation in people's notation and my own unfamiliarity with some of the brands likely led to some errors, but I think I got the general idea right.http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif [/list] If I messed anything up too badly, just let me know.

-gino

RedVette
01-14-2005, 14:42
Wow, nice first post. Lots of work, but I think you nailed it, it is the concensus of this group that the Van Winkles are the best and that everything else is in second place.

jeff
01-14-2005, 17:31
Thanks for that Gino http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif While the winners are pretty obvious, it just goes to show how diverse our tastes really are. I think bourbon should have its own place on the food guide pyramid. Two shots a day keeps the doctor away! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

Gillman
01-14-2005, 17:37
Jeff, could you kindly mention again the weekend this event is being held?

Gary

Gino
01-14-2005, 17:39
Thanks. Another thing I found interesting is that Elijah Craig 12 Year -- which sells for $16.99 here in PA -- is ranked right up there with bourbons that cost 5 times as much. I've probably passed that bottle over a dozen times just assuming that price == quality. I'll definitely have to give it a try.

jeff
01-14-2005, 17:42
Are you refering to the sampler? I think you might have read my other post and replyed here http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif It is the weekend of April 30th. It seems that the Sampler gathering has grown to two days, but it's all good http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Gary, you must bring another exotic scotch with which to try and convert me http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif No really, I do appreciate the opportunity to try different things http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

jeff
01-14-2005, 17:44
EC12 seems to be a love it or hate it kind of bourbon. Personally I enjoy it with a nice cuban cigar on a warm summer evening. Oh the memories http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Gillman
01-14-2005, 18:11
Jeff, many thanks, I did mean the Sampler. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Okay you're on I'll bring an interesting scotch - I am inclining to a 24 year old Port Ellen, another Islay (no longer made) - that or one of the Compass Box products. That would be good too, to show a style rather different from that Lagavulin we had last time which is rather ... Gothic. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Plus I'm a bringin' my ORVW 15 year old for Randy's tastings.

Gary

robbyvirus
01-15-2005, 00:15
At the moment, my top five are:

1. Weller 19yo (and my supply is almost gone now, alas...when it runs out the Weller 12 yo will replace it's spot on the list)
2. Old Rip Van Winkle 15 yo bourbon (the standard by which all others are measured)
3. Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye (Sazerac Rye is almost a tie)
4. Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit (A truly fine and distinct bourbon)
5. Rock Hill Farms (this one also has the classiest bottle)

hookfinger
01-16-2005, 09:11
To Gino- I agree with the later poster EC12 is a love it or hate it type boubon. Unfortunately I fall into the latter category. Bought I bottle once in Fla. when it wasn't yet available in WI where I lived at the time. I wasn't all that impressed, yet when I moved to PA and saw it on the shelves, I thought I should give it another try. Still nothing.
I think if you're actually going to break a 20 dollar bill, you're better off spending the extra 3 bucks on a bottle of Buffalo Trace, possibly the best introduction to the mid priced bourbons in many years.

Gino
01-16-2005, 13:30
hookfinger -

Thanks for the tip. Although I have a pretty nice selection available to me at my local (premium) state store, I haven't seen Buffalo Trace yet. I'll keep an eye out though.

mobourbon
01-16-2005, 18:28
Gino, I'm the manager at the Schwenksville store. I've been having trouble getting Buffalo Trace. I've had it in before. Now it's listed as a test-market item. I'm pretty sure Ardmore has it. I know Collegeville has it.
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wrbriggs
01-16-2005, 19:38
Somehow NH has received a 20-case shipment of Buffalo Trace. I'm purchasing 2 bottles along with the 2 bottles of Stagg I talked them out of. They both will be in this coming Thurs, and I should have them in my greedy little hands by the following Wed when my NH buddy comes up to VT.

hookfinger
01-17-2005, 11:47
Mobourbon - I know this may not help you guys in Philly much but the "superstore" in Lemoyne always has Buffalo Trace;. It shouldn't be all that hard to get. It's usually at most of the other small stores around here as well. Now if I could just figure out how other common whiskys simply go missing!!!!!

Gino
01-17-2005, 11:48
Thanks for all the info. Sounds like I just need to visit a few more stores in my area.

Black85L98
01-22-2005, 21:16
Tim

Been away for work but I must admit this is a class act top five . Easy to find and worth the money for every bottle CHEERS!