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cowdery
07-07-2004, 12:13
In various previous threads, we have wondered about Michter's calling its product "pot still whiskey" when, except for the small still installed in 1976, they clearly were using a column still. Many had speculated that they were claiming their whiskey was "pot still whiskey" because they were using a pot still doubler--exactly like everybody else.

Now it can be revealed. That is, in fact, the answer, as explained here in a Michter's tourist brochure. This brochure and a lot of other cool stuff can be found at this web site (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6926/legacy.htm)run by a descendant of the distillery's founder, Abe Bomberger.

mike1
07-07-2004, 16:56
Why was Michter's not called bourbon, and what is the relation of Hirsch Bourbon to this distillery?

Paradox
07-07-2004, 17:20
Hirsch bourbon was distilled at Michters distillery in PA.

tlsmothers
07-07-2004, 20:24
My understanding is that Michter's American Whiskey couldn't be called bourbon because it was aged in used bourbon barrels. Bourbon must be aged in new, charred, white oak barrels. There's a Michter's 10 year bourbon on the market in addition to the American Whiskey label.

cowdery
07-08-2004, 00:06
If you can make it through The Bomberger Legacy Web Site (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6926/legacy.htm) most questions will be answered. Hirsch is whisky made at Michter's in Pennsylvania. Micthers American Whiskey is not.

Gillman
07-08-2004, 01:25
First, thanks, Chuck, for unearthing the important historical information on Michter's whiskey.

This material answers questions some of us had; here are some not answered, however:

Where did the Michter's name come from? Unless I missed it, there is no reference to that. My understanding was a Michter owned the distillery sometime before 1920 but whether this was before the Bomberger ownership, or is even true, is not clear.

Second, the word rye is mentioned only once in these materials. The question whether, as I believe, Michter's was a rye whiskey (made predominantly from rye and a "straight" by today's standard) before 1920 is not addressed nor are the specific formulations which Bettye Jo's uncle developed in the 1950's. I believe, based on what Bettye Jo has written over the years, that these included a rye whiskey and other straight whiskeys including the "original sour mash" mentioned in these materials.

Third, there is no mention of Louis Forman or his role in reviving the operation in the early 1950's (because it had not operated between 1920 and about 1954).

Fourth, thousands of barrels (did I read 300,000?!) of whiskey were at the warehouse as late as 1994. Where did it all go to? The Hirsch bottlings have only been (relatively) a trickle and only from 1974 production..

Clearly though an important question IS solved - Michter's evidently used a continuous and doubler method of distillation. Chuck has noted this is common in whiskey production yet these materials imply (I guess wrongly) that there was something special about pot distillation at Michter's. Bettye Jo has speculated the 1976 pilot plant pot still now lodged in Bardstown with members of the Beam family must have been made to mimic a true pot still actually used at Michter's. I think that is right but probably that original pot still (or stills if they used two, Scots-style) was used before 1920. That is, when the plant was set up again in the early 1950's I would think the continuous and doubler methods were adopted. The pre-1920 presumed original pot stills (wash and spirit stills) had been long gone by then, I would think.

Also, note that Michter's was distilled at a rather high 156 proof which does not seem to have affected mid-1980's opinion of it as an article of high repute (which I'm sure it was as can be seen from the Hirsch 16 and 20 year olds).

Low distillation proof in and of itself seems to be one factor in making good whiskey but so I would think are wooden fermenters and cold-cutting of grain used at the time at this plant, not to mention that historical Michter's yeast (although was it really brought direct from the home country...?).

Great research, Chuck: we all who enjoy whiskey thank you for finding it and must feel sadness that such a venerable operation had an ignominious end.

Oh and one more thing: note the casual statement in the materials that the Shenk who first made Michter's whiskey - a rye whiskey as it surely then was - was a Swiss Mennonite who brought the recipe with him from (presumably) Switzerland. And that the one place in Europe Michter's was sold in the 1980's was Germany. The latter-day Germans had a taste for it because, I think, they recognised an echo of their own korns and other whiskeys that are and used to be made from rye. This was the old unflavoured "straight" rye spirit, not flavoured with juniper as took favour especially in Holland (and of course Germany to a degree), not over-refined as happened to most vodka but essentially rye whiskey, transplanted arguably to America by German-speakers familiar with rye distillation. The Scots-Irish, English and Welsh (because spirits were made all over what is now Britain in the 1700's) clearly contributed their distillation skills to what became rye and bourbon whiskey in America but they left the barley behind - for whiskey. It wasn't that there was no barley in America - it was grown here even then and is used extensively in American beer production - but taste in whiskey shifted (I believe) to this new Germanic-type distillate. In time it became rye whiskey and then, in a further evolution, bourbon. Yes (I know some will remind me) rye likely grew better than barley in Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virginia so it was natural to select that grain instead of barley. But I think that is only part of the story.

This material, sketchy as it is, suggests to me that American rye whiskey really is Germanic in origin. Bourbon is all-American because it was developed in America and is made mostly from Americas-originated corn. Yet, the rye in rye-recipe bourbon and its powerful influence on the taste testify to this day to a specific European influence on American whiskey - a Continental Germanic one, not a British one, IMO.

Gary

boone
07-08-2004, 06:22
Shoot...I deleted my previous post to add this to it. It's not there now so I will start over but not in length.

I will restate that I think that there was a "Original" pot still. Why would they go through all the trouble of making one for the public to view the pot still method? The one in Bardstown is a "mimic" of the original one? Or could someone give the wrong information and it ended up in print as fact?

The sign on that tank is clearly a "Add on"...It's not the original sign. That tank was used for something else and they painted over it. I know from experience how things change. I was trained as working foreman and tank change operator. Rules were inforced in your head that "this is the way it's done"---no exceptions---then---the rules were changed again http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/banghead.gif. The rules governing the process have changed so much that I would not attempt the job unless they gave me a refresher course http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Uncle Everett, was Master Distiller there, 40+ years. It seems that my family of distiller's has been lost again.

In Uncle Everett hand written note---QUOTE---I wrote this letter to Michters Inc. the oldest distillery in the U.S.A. established in 1753 and still in operation at the same site recently to the new owners who are unfamiliar with the industry. They verified all I have said and I am in the process of setting up a small operation for them. He is most famous for his "Rye Whiskey". I have posted a picture of him in front of a milestone barrel here somewhere on these forums.

His children are still around. If I get time this week---I am off from work until Monday---I will call and add to this...

They wrote this about him in the local paper in PA right after he retired.

boone
07-08-2004, 06:27
the rest of the story...

Gillman
07-08-2004, 06:49
Thanks Bettye Jo, and that's a great picture.

Gary

TNbourbon
07-08-2004, 08:02
The current Michter's American whiskeys are distributed by Chatham Imports of NY, and the Michter's name, according to the KY Secretary of State's website, is registered to Kentucky Bourbon Distillers.
Michter's KY Registration (http://www.sos.state.ky.us/obdb/(3phk2x3ov00ixl55q3pbaz55)/showentity.aspx?id=0268348&ct=04&cs=99990)
I have some of the original Michter's whiskey that I've poached off of Ebay over the last year or so (Gazebo fare, maybe? -- I'll give that some thought) -- otherwise, the only way to try it is the Hirsch bottlings.

Paradox
07-08-2004, 15:35
Thanks for the attatchment Bettye Jo, great read.

cowdery
07-08-2004, 15:58
taste in whiskey shifted (I believe) to this new Germanic-type distillate.



As did taste in beer.

stoopsie
07-09-2004, 02:59
Bettye Jo,

It mentioned in the article that your uncle was going to write a book. Did he ever get around to doing that?

Howie

boone
07-09-2004, 05:51
No book ever surfaced. I could only imagine what his knowledge (in print) would have produced for the industry.

This industry likes to write their own history, at times. They omit very important parts (like people) in their archives. My family of Beams has taken a back seat for a long time. They are "key factors" in Kentucky Bourbon. In the early days of Kentucky Bourbon, nearly every distillery, in this state had one of my Beams on their payroll.

I have "some" of his writings. His children have the rest. I keep hoping that the rest of his lifetime artifacts will be donated to the Getz. I hope that in time they will end up there.

The family donated the document (incorporation papers) from the F.G. Walker Distillery. That distillery, was formed right before prohibition. It was owned by my great grandfather Joseph L. Beam and Jim Beam. Jim, being the president of the company and Papa Joe being the vice president.

That set of Michter jugs that you see in the news clip about Uncle Everett's retirement...they are "on loan" to the Getz.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gillman
07-09-2004, 14:04
Good point.

Gary

pepcycle
07-12-2004, 13:53
Gary,
Good response. You speak volumes in your brevity.
http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/stickpoke.gif

Gillman
07-12-2004, 16:30
Thanks, Ed, and being conscious many of my posts go on for bit, I'll bear that in mind. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary

BourbonJoe
10-16-2006, 11:57
Fricky and I visited the old Michter's Distillery today. Surprising how much is still there, but sad it is not in operation. Hope you like the pictures. When we got home we sampled a Michters 101 from 1979 and a Michter's 86 from 1976. Very nice indeed.
Joe :usflag:32293230 3231 3232 3233 3234 3235 3236 3236 3237 3238 3239 3240 3241 3242 3243 3244 3245 3246 3247 3248

Virus_Of_Life
10-16-2006, 13:39
Thanks for the pics Joe, not just sad, heartbreaking...

BourbonJoe
10-16-2006, 15:24
It was interesting in that the sign above the distillery stated "Michters, Ted Veru Proprietor". I remember Chuck Cowdery said that Veru bought it in 1979.
Joe :usflag:

BarItemsPlus1
10-16-2006, 15:26
Joe great pics indeed!!

And to reiterate on everyone's thoughts about the state of the Distillery...
How Very Very Sad!!

Maybe if this site is available for purchase in 1-2 yrs, I would look at bringing it back to life :grin:
I have a goal to own a couple of distilleries in my time and I would seriously look at the possibility of reviving Mitcher's...although it would no doubt have to be called something else.
I love history and old buildings...so I intend to revive a couple of old distilleries in my time...I have at least another good 40+ years(I'm only just 30 :grin: ) plus I want to hand them down to family when I pass.

There is a distillery here in Oz that I will look at reviving also...I have to do some further research on this one though, it was in Corio, Geelong...
Use google earth...

NorCalBoozer
10-16-2006, 15:55
very nice photos. Now i have a great new wallpaper for my computer. sad, but historic. thank you.

cowdery
10-17-2006, 01:46
"Part II" of the Hirsch/Michter's story in my newsletter (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com/page9.html) went into the mail yesterday.

ProofPositive
10-17-2006, 17:54
Wonderful pictures Joe....Thanks! It is very unfortunate this distillery is out of operation. Some of the pics of the place look better than I would have thought compared to the last ones I saw. And, others look pretty much forsaken.....a ghost town of sorts with a lot of history going to waste. Anyhow, I sure hope someone makes a preservation effort before it crumbles away. Too many of these have been lost already.

Virus_Of_Life
10-17-2006, 18:29
I find it very hard to believe that these buildings/structures (this distillery) have not been given some sort of national historic protection and preservation? What the hell has gone wrong with this country?

barturtle
10-17-2006, 19:39
IIRC, Mitchers is on the National Registry as a historic site. While this will protect it from being knocked down, it doesn't do much about keeping it from falling down. The unfortunate aspect of being on these types of listings is that any repairs to be done require paperwork/approval to do. This adds a bit to the costs. Unless a group comes forth with funding to do the restoration, the building is likely to just slowly waste away.

TNbourbon
10-17-2006, 19:41
I find it very hard to believe that these buildings/structures (this distillery) have not been given some sort of national historic protection and preservation? What the hell has gone wrong with this country?

Michter's WAS a registered National Historic Landmark for a number of years until its closure and abandonment. It was delisted in the '90s because it was no longer operable or maintained for the purpose for which it was registered.

BarItemsPlus1
10-17-2006, 21:00
Who is the current owner?

Are they likely to accept a reasonable offer if someone does come forward...or has the owner been approached and he is wanting far too much for the site??

Is there any other parties who have an interest in getting this up and running again??

Guys rather than just saying it's a shame to see these places go...do something about it!!
I see that there is a number of people here wanting to see Michter's revived...Put your money were your mouth is?!
It would only take some organisation but it is not beyond tackling...I mean I will be doing something in my time towards reviving a distillery, be it on my own or with help.

Here is a challenge for you SB'ers, and in particular the ones who are involved within the industry...get together and do something!!
Start by at least finding out if you can purchase the site and what the asking figure would be...Come on Guys, get off your ass and do something!!

BourbonJoe
10-18-2006, 05:51
Who is the current owner?



According to what I have heard, nobody lays claim to the distillery. Probably because of things like back taxes, etc. They (the county) have been trying to find the owner for years (they claim). I would imagine that either the State or County owns the place now and it's just sittin there goin to hell.
Joe :usflag:

BourbonJoe
10-18-2006, 05:53
It was delisted in the '90s because it was no longer operable or maintained for the purpose for which it was registered.

Tim,
It was delisted in 1997.
Joe :usflag:

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 06:25
According to what I have heard, nobody lays claim to the distillery
WHATTT!! You have to be kidding me?!
So the gentleman that I read who was using the site is no longer there?

Where's Chuck??
Come on mate, surely you can have some involvement in getting this place revived??!!
Use your industry sources...

Once my liquor license is issued I will be looking into this further...reviving Michter's that is.

Found these pics on the web too...

Also I believe the Beam's own the stills...whether they are originals or not, I don't know. I was actually contacted and asked for a bottle of the Black Wax Hirsch but they didn't get it in the end....??

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 06:43
Guys, please don't take me the wrong way...if I have seemed to be a little abrupt, I do apologies.
It's just I have watched now for nearly 12 months, so many people here say it's a shame to lose Michter's Distillery, and even now there is nothing being done.

I just hope it's still there in another 12 months!!

Joeluka
10-18-2006, 06:54
Here in the States, there are thousands and thousands of dollars involved in Taxes. The back taxes on the property are considerable. Thats why the owners have disappeared. You'd have to buy back the name (more money). The taxes due on the new product, which won't be ready for years, is due when you ship the cases of whisky. Renovation cost and all new equipment would cost a fortune. IMHO, There is a reason why there are so few distillers in America. It cost A LOT of money. The investment part alone takes so much capital, you would have to overly rich to make this happen.

Now if you can make this happen, GO FOR IT!!!!!! I will be there to buy your first botltle and if the product is good, I will make it a part of my weekly pours.

Good Luck

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 07:02
I had many people tell me I would have no chance in becoming a wholesaler/importer/exporter too and it would be impossible to compete with the other companies already here, yet I am only waiting on my license and I will be the distributer in Oz for many new products...
So I don't believe something like Michter's is impossible...

On a sort of seperate note...I just read through a post from 2000...talking about David Beam owning the 'replicas'...also read about Evan Kulsveen and his project...can anyone offer some current news on this??

boone
10-18-2006, 10:34
WHATTT!! You have to be kidding me?!
So the gentleman that I read who was using the site is no longer there?

Where's Chuck??
Come on mate, surely you can have some involvement in getting this place revived??!!
Use your industry sources...

Once my liquor license is issued I will be looking into this further...reviving Michter's that is.

Found these pics on the web too...

Also I believe the Beam's own the stills...whether they are originals or not, I don't know. I was actually contacted and asked for a bottle of the Black Wax Hirsch but they didn't get it in the end....??

Good Luck to you...

I have no interest (physically-or financially) in bringing this or any distillery back into operation. My Uncle Everett (C.E. Beam) was Master Distiller for Michter's for over 40+ years.

I would like to see it happen, offer advice, and help with leads, but I am not going to spend my life fortune---or the very little "extra" time in my life to "try" to make it a reality.

I may be wrong but I get a direct hint that you think we are not familiar with these issues? I hope, I am wrong with this impression.

On this forum and you will find that "we---SB.com member's---collectively know most all the facts about theses kinda things. Unless, you win the lottery or you have a bunch of "wealthy partner's"...this will always be a dream. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen...but the "facts" lay a hard line.

David Beam, owns the pot still...He and his son's (John Ed and Bill) graciously let us take a tour of the old Michter's pot still, every time we have a SB.com gathering in Bardstown. The still is located directly across from the "General Nelson"...One of his son's is a member here. COPPERSTILL (John Ed Beam :grin: )

I've "reposted" a few pictures from this thread: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2553

The first picture is forum member's---> Dane (gr8erdane), Bobby (bobbyc), Cliff (Barrel_Proof), and Gary (Gillman)

The second picture is the owner of the still (right, David Beam and his son Bill)

The third picture is Craig Beam :grin: :grin: :grin:

Here's another thread about unsuccessful rescue events: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3764

and another about David Beam and his journey to "revive the Michter's Pot Still....

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2499&highlight=david+beam

Bettye Jo

cowdery
10-18-2006, 13:58
The Michters property was abandoned when the distillery closed in 1989, which meant ownership went to someone in default, either the bank that held the mortgage or, possibly, the state since there were a lot of outstanding taxes. That was ultimately settled. The guy David Beam bought the small still from had no intention of trying to reopen the place and was basically trying to make money by salvaging and selling anything there of value. Likewise the person who own it now, for whom I'm sure it's basically just a real estate investment.

As for restoring and reopening this or any other historic distillery (there are many in Kentucky that sit in much that same state) it is a multi-million dollar proposition that one would have to enter into without much hope of recouping the investment. Also, not to splash cold water on anybody, but what are you actually buying? A place where something happened once upon a time? Some ratty old buildings? There's nothing there, except possibly the water source, that would contribute to making the same product. The still is gone and so, I assume, are the fermenters and most everything else.

If you bought it, you probably couldn't even use the name Michter's. I don't know if Chatham actually obtained the rights from someone or just started to use the name figuring there was no one to challenge them, but at any rate they are using it and, legally, buying that chunk of land wouldn't return the rights to the name to the new owner. Likewise any of the other names that have been associated with the place or its products, such as Bomberger or Hirsch.

Because of my profile and what I do, I get calls or notes on a regular basis from people who want to start a distillery or revive a distillery. Not one has ever come to anything. When you really get into it and realize what it will take it's just too big a pill to swallow. Even the micro-distilleries that are popping up now all over the place are, for the most part, avoiding whiskey. It's just too hard.

FlashPuppy
10-18-2006, 15:18
Because of my profile and what I do, I get calls or notes on a regular basis from people who want to start a distillery or revive a distillery. Not one has ever come to anything. When you really get into it and realize what it will take it's just too big a pill to swallow. Even the micro-distilleries that are popping up now all over the place are, for the most part, avoiding whiskey. It's just too hard.

I am somewhere in the 600th page of the 4200 which I need to wade through, and this is just to get an understanding of all the regulations there are to follow. There is a LOT involved.

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 16:33
I have no interest (physically-or financially) in bringing this or any distillery back into operation. My Uncle Everett (C.E. Beam) was Master Distiller for Michter's for over 40+ years.

Betty-Jo I'm a little confused by your comment above...Or has someone approached you directly on a previous occassion?? Not being rude, but I didn't ask if you wanted in...
I would gladly accept any advice you would be willing to provide...

People it seems as though I have given the impression that I don't know what is involved, so NOT the case!!!!
Just as any business rules and regulations have to be followed so why do people seem so daunted by running a distillery...??
Every one keeps talking about costs...for goods sake if I want to do something and it's a passion of mine...does costs come into it??
And to say I would get nothing in return for my investment...how about the satisfaction in completeing a restoration project??


When you really get into it and realize what it will take it's just too big a pill to swallow
Crap!! The pill may be too big for some here, but not me!!

Well I am leaving this thread now as I am really disappointed in the amount of 'negative' attitudes...

bobbyc
10-18-2006, 17:20
Well I am leaving this thread now as I am really disappointed in the amount of 'negative' attitudes...

If you're not quite out the door yet..........
There has been more than a little diligent exploring into the business side of bourbon by a few folks hereabouts, and really it boils down to it would be a great thing to do, but unless one is bleeding cash, and perhaps you are, it isn't feasible.

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 17:57
Nearly....but Joe managed to keep me here.

Can I suggest that if there is anyone serious about becoming involved in a possible project, then please contact Joe - If that's ok with you Joe??
Or myself via direct email.
Cheers!

BarItemsPlus1
10-18-2006, 18:59
Not sure if anyone has read this webpage/site but it is very informative...
It's from a descendant of the original Bomberger...
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ybfowler/legacy.htm

boone
10-19-2006, 00:18
Betty-Jo I'm a little confused by your comment above...Or has someone approached you directly on a previous occassion?? Not being rude, but I didn't ask if you wanted in...

Is there any other parties who have an interest in getting this up and running again??

This sentence (above) is a direct "quote" from your "public" post.

Bettye Jo

BarItemsPlus1
10-19-2006, 00:36
Betty Jo you are indeed correct! However I asked if anyone is interested - not if anyone is not interested...
I can clearly see the one's who are not interested.

jbutler
10-19-2006, 05:30
Not sure if anyone has read this webpage/site but it is very informative...
It's from a descendant of the original Bomberger...
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ybfowler/legacy.htm
Note the initial post (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30876#poststop)in this thread, dated roughly 2.5 years ago.

BarItemsPlus1
10-19-2006, 06:47
My apologies for doubling up on the links...

BourbonJoe
10-19-2006, 08:01
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David Beam, owns the pot still...He and his son's (John Ed and Bill) graciously let us take a tour of the old Michter's pot still, every time we have a SB.com gathering in Bardstown. The still is located directly across from the "General Nelson"...One of his son's is a member here. COPPERSTILL (John Ed Beam :grin: )


Bettye Jo,
Is he ever going to do anything with it?
Joe :usflag:

cowdery
10-19-2006, 11:54
Bettye Jo,
Is he ever going to do anything with it?
Joe :usflag:

I'm not Bettye Jo, but I can answer the question. The answer is most likely, no, although he's idosyncratic on the subject, as David is on many things. David's three sons are all great guys with wonderful families who have their own lives but who genuinely feel there is something they aren't doing that they aught to be doing. David has said that's why he bought the still, so his boys could have a chance to do that thing their genes are telling them to do. But on other days he says he bought it because he just likes to have it around, since he has lived around stills all his life. (He grew up in that house on the hill at Beam's Clermont plant.)

boone
10-19-2006, 12:06
I'm not Bettye Jo, but I can answer the question. The answer is most likely, no, although he's idosyncratic on the subject, as David is on many things. David's three sons are all great guys with wonderful families who have their own lives but who genuinely feel there is something they aren't doing that they aught to be doing. David has said that's why he bought the still, so his boys could have a chance to do that thing their genes are telling them to do. But on other days he says he bought it because he just likes to have it around, since he has lived around stills all his life. (He grew up in that house on the hill at Beam's Clermont plant.)

Now Chuck :grin: :grin:

Did Troy give you permission to answer that question? :slappin: :slappin: :slappin:

Bettye Jo

cowdery
10-19-2006, 12:28
I'm not kin, but I'm just trying to do like Aunt Jo taught me.

Hedmans Brorsa
10-22-2006, 06:36
As for restoring and reopening this or any other historic distillery (there are many in Kentucky that sit in much that same state) it is a multi-million dollar proposition that one would have to enter into without much hope of recouping the investment.

Would these, probably insurmountable, difficulties also apply to a distillery that has fairly recently ceased operations? Stitzel Weller, for instance.

barturtle
10-22-2006, 07:32
Stitzel-Weller needs to be cleaned of asbestos...a very expensive job.

BourbonJoe
10-22-2006, 09:53
Thanks to Chuck Cowdery and a few other sources, I was able to put together a timeline of sorts for Michters Distillery.
Joe :usflag:
3270

boone
10-23-2006, 09:54
Took pictures of some of these articles but the quality is very poor. I didn't have my glasses on...looked fine to me :rolleyes: :rolleyes: till, I loaded them :(...Sorry :(

One (1) is the "beer still" inside Pennco...Uncle Everett is to the right...

The next one is the bottling house at Pennco :grin: :grin: again Uncle Everett is on the right :grin: :grin:

I've been told that some "other's" are trying to "make" thier own history by "filling" in the blanks with "thier opinion" of what actually happened. If something is told (or ommitted) for a long peroiod of time, folks will begin to rely upon it as facts. I will not let this happen.

Seems that Chuck has put all this into "real, documented, factal order" and set the record straight :grin: :grin:

Thanks Chuck, Aunt Jo would have been so proud of you :grin: :grin: :grin:


Bettye Jo


I'm not kin, but I'm just trying to do like Aunt Jo taught me.