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bourbonv
08-27-2004, 07:40
In the years before prohibition, which state had the most registered distilleries? I will give you a hint, It was not Kentucky.

Mike Veach

Gillman
08-27-2004, 08:16
I was going to say Pennsylvania, but recalling that probably many distilleries were making spirits and non-straight whisky and were established in the more industrialised areas, I'll go out on a limb and say, Ohio.

Gary

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 08:54
Sorry Gary, Try again. It is not Kentucky or Ohio.
Mike Veach

tdelling
08-27-2004, 09:26
My guess is Illinois, based on the (now long gone) bunch of distilleries
in Peoria.

Tim Dellinger

pepcycle
08-27-2004, 10:35
Missouri?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 10:39
Sorry Tim,
We can rule out Kentucky, Ohio and Illinois.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 10:40
Sorry Ed,
It is not Kentucky, Ohio, Illinois or Missouri.
Mike Veach

pepcycle
08-27-2004, 10:45
Maryland?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 10:48
Sorry Ed,
Not Maryland either. Try again.
Mike Veach

musher
08-27-2004, 10:49
Virginia?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 10:52
Sorry Mike,
It is not Virginia either. We only have 48 to choose from so we are narrowing it down.
Mike Veach

musher
08-27-2004, 10:55
OK, then. I'll go out on a limb and make my final guess of California. If that isn't it, I'll let others have at it.

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 11:17
California is a good guess, but wrong. They did have a thriving distilling industry making brandy for the most part, but it did not have the most registered distilleries.
Mike Veach

clayton
08-27-2004, 11:23
Tennessee?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 11:36
Sorry its not Tennessee. Tennessee actually one of the states with the fewest distilleries and they closed in 1910 when state prohibition came about.

So summing up we know it was not Kentucky, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Maryland, California or Tennessee. Alaska and Hawaii can also be ruled out since they were not states at the time.
Any other guesses.
Mike Veach

Speedy_John
08-27-2004, 12:25
Well, I'm going with Gary's first instinct, which was mine also--Pennsylvania.

SpeedyJohn

dgonano
08-27-2004, 12:32
Since New York was and still is well known for apple, grape and rye production, that would be my choice.

OneCubeOnly
08-27-2004, 12:58
I'll guess West Virginia--based solely on their thriving POST-prohibition moonshine trade!?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 13:05
Sorry, Try again. It is not West Virginia.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 13:05
Interesting guess, but wrong. It was not New York.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 13:07
This does seem to be the next logical choice after Kentucky, but it is wrong.
It is not Pennsylvania.
Mike Veach

dgonano
08-27-2004, 13:34
Well Indiana had a few. This is my last guess, ... maybe.

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 13:48
Sorry, It is not Indiana.
Another clue is this state had the only 4 digit DSP numbers I ever saw.
Mike Veach

musher
08-27-2004, 13:58
Another clue is this state had the only 4 digit DSP numbers I ever saw.
Mike Veach



Those numbers are given out sequentially within a given state, starting with "1", right?

TNbourbon
08-27-2004, 14:27
My first instinct was toward Indiana, but since you've already counted the Hoosiers out, let me go off another direction:
There seems to be a lot of grain in the upper Midwest, from which I know a large percentage of domestic 'grain neutral spirits" (read that 'vodka') comes, so let me say, oh -- Minnesota.

clayton
08-27-2004, 14:48
Louisiana?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 15:08
Sorry, It is not Minnesotta.
Try again.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 15:09
Interesting thought, but wrong. Try again.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 15:10
This is correct. If the state had more than one district, then there could be multiple DSP No. 1 distilleries in the same state.
Mike Veach

OneCubeOnly
08-27-2004, 15:28
Another clue is this state had the only 4 digit DSP numbers I ever saw.



Okay, here's my last shot at it: having no knowledge of how DSP numbers work, I'll guess a 4-letter state to correspond with a 4 digit DSP: I'll guess Iowa.

Lots of corn there which needed facilitated transport down the Mississippi!?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 16:26
Iowa, Lots of corn, but not distilleries. Try again. Let see, we have ruled out:
Alaska
Hawaii
Kentucky
Ohio
Illinois
Missouri
California
Tennessee
New York
Pennsylvania
Maryland
Indiana
Minnisota
Iowa
Virginia
West Virginia
The list is getting short of available states. Keep trying.
Mike Veach

clayton
08-27-2004, 16:29
Georgia?

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 16:31
No its not Georgia, try again.
Mike Veach

musher
08-27-2004, 17:36
Not to complain, or anything, but since I'm a life-long resident of the state, I've got to defend its honor. Twice now, you've misspelled its name (Minnesotta and Minnisota).

The correct spelling is Minnesota!

Now that I've got that out of the way . . . .

Back to the guessing! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Markw
08-27-2004, 17:38
Connecticut?

angelshare
08-27-2004, 18:32
Given the recent Conecuh Ridge hype, I'd have to guess Alabama.

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:33
No, not Alabama. Try again.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:34
Interesting guess. They had some rum and gin distilleries in that area, but not that many.
Mike Veach

JDKnaebel
08-27-2004, 19:34
Colorado. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

JD

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:36
My apologies. I never learned to type and sometimes the keys don't seem to work right. I will try to do better.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:37
No, wrong again. Try another state?
Mike Veach

JDKnaebel
08-27-2004, 19:40
No, wrong again. Try another state?
Mike Veach




North Carolina. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

JD

Markw
08-27-2004, 19:40
Surely not Delaware?

bluesbassdad
08-27-2004, 19:43
New Jersey?

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:45
We ahve a winner folks! The state of North Carolina had more registered distilleries than any other state prior to prohibition. According to the Microfilm sent to me at U.D. there were only a couple of districts and each had over a thousand distilleries, but few of them had a capacity of over three barrels a day. It seems that this was a pot still whiskey state.
The big distributing company in the state was Casper's Whiskey with the colbalt blue bottles.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:46
Sorry Dave, we have winner with answer of North Carolina.
Mike Veach

bourbonv
08-27-2004, 19:48
Surely not. The winner is North Carolina.
Mike Veach

Vision
08-27-2004, 21:03
I just read a story on this.

North Carolina may have had the most distilleries, but I think Maryland was the largest producer of spirit for the young nation, from the Whiskey Rebellion to Prohibition. Rye grew very well in Maryland's fields.

dgonano
08-27-2004, 22:30
From my readings, an estimated 20,000 distilleries could be found in the U.S. in 1830. Most were small pot stilled. The reason was barrelled whiskey was more cost effective to ship than barrelled grain. Also many wholesalers, in Baltimore and other seaports, shipped many farm supplies throughout the country and were repaid in liquified grain.
The wholesalers became grocers( meaning they sold whiskey )
and registered themselves as distillers.

I should let our bourbon historians do the reporting but I believe Pennsylvania and Maryland,in that order, were a distant second and third behind Kentucky in whiskey produced before Prohibition.

Also Maryland rye grain was excellent but apparently wild onion intruded into the grainfields. Many Maryland distillery records indicate the preferance for New York and Wisconsin rye in the recipe.

tlsmothers
08-28-2004, 17:30
How about Iowa?

OneCubeOnly
08-28-2004, 18:37
How about Iowa?



That was my guess too...I thought maybe a 4-digit DSP = 4 letter state.

The answer was North Carolina!!!?!

gr8erdane
08-28-2004, 18:41
Register a distillery in Missouri? And lose your front pew status in the Mount Pisgah Baptist Church? You'd be more likely to shoot your favorite blue tick just before coon huntin' season. Thanks for thinking of the Show Me State though Ed. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif