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cowdery
11-22-2000, 13:59
Last night I was sipping some Old Fitzgerald Bottled in Bond neat and wondering how to describe it. Just now it struck me: "...and visions of sugarplums danced in my head," or rather, on my tongue. The most remarkable characteristic of this bourbon is its marvelous, almost liqueur-like sweetness. People often ask me what is my favorite bourbon. I usually aver, because I have many "favorites," but if given the desert island choice I would have to say Old Fitz BIB.

--Chuck Cowdery (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com)

**DONOTDELETE**
11-26-2000, 20:26
Chuck,

If Old Fitzgerald BIB is a favorite of yours, order some David Nicholson from Randall's right away, while they still have some. It's really 7-year-old Old Fitzgerald 100 proof (even says so on the label) and it's wonderful stuff. It has the regular Old Fitz BIB flavor in spades. I asked Julian about it and he said that the bourbon was made at Stitzel-Weller and could easily be even older than the stated seven years. He also said, "...The label was owned by my family until last year when we sold it to David Shermann in St. Louis. It for years was THE premium Bourbon in St, Louis... It is sold only in Missouri and southern Illinois."

=John=
http://w3.one.net/~jeffelle/whiskey

**DONOTDELETE**
11-27-2000, 00:12
Don't have anything to add here other than a big ditto. I've only had one bottle of this but can't think of any other whiskey I enjoyed more besides Wild Turkey Rye. I don't have access to it in Texas but I plan on buying in bulk when I go home to Illinois for the holidays...could it be that the best whiskey comes in a green bottle?

**DONOTDELETE**
11-27-2000, 06:38
Chuck what is the difference between the Weller recipe and that of Old Fitz?

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

cowdery
11-27-2000, 08:51
"what is the difference between the Weller recipe and that of Old Fitz?"

Not a thing. Same recipe.

--Chuck Cowdery (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com)

cowdery
11-27-2000, 08:51
Thanks for the tip, John.

--Chuck Cowdery (http://cowdery.home.netcom.com)

jbutler
11-27-2000, 13:13
John,

How does one go about contacting Randall's?

Regards,

Jim Butler
StraightBourbon.com

tdelling
11-27-2000, 15:13
>How does one go about contacting Randall's?

It would seem that they have re-named themselves!

I have two links that will get you there:

http://randalls.site.yahoo.net/randalls/spirits.html
and
http://www.internetwines.com/

Some of their prices are wonderfully low, while others are annoyingly high.
It pays to shop around!
We should probably put together a canonical listing of bourbon vending websites, although it would be a little work keeping it updated, but in my mind worth the trouble.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-27-2000, 17:03
Jim,

In addition to Tim's URLs, there is also <u>http://www.spiritsofstlouis.com/spirits.html</u>, which I think is still the same place. At least they list "randall@apci.net" as their email address. It also maintains the same, shall we say, light-hearted approach to classifying American whiskies.

On Randall's, look for 1843 Bond under BONDED (their whiskey categories are BONDED, BOURBON, and SINGLE BARREL, with no particular distinction as to what might be found in any of them -- including blends, corn, and sometimes even wine). According to the current listings, the price is $13.46 for the 750ml bottle (plus shipping).

On Spirits of St. Louis, you will find the same bottle listed as David Nicholson 1843 Bourbon 7yr, also under BONDED, but this time it says it costs $16.37 and the stock number is different. So now I don't know if they're the same company or not. Whatever, they must at least share the same catalog organization staff. As an example of what I mean, note that the BONDED category is illustrated with a photo of the Old Fitz bottle... Real nice, except that Old Fitzgerald 100 proof BIB isn't listed under that category; instead, you'll find it with the "O"'s under "BOURBON: A-E" (???). Finding the whiskey you want is a fun challenge, sort of like reading the translated instructions on technical products made in a country that speaks a language different from your own.

=John=
http://w3.one.net/~jeffelle/whiskey

bluesbassdad
06-25-2002, 01:43
Chuck,

What is your opinion of todays Old Fitz BIB (#1 & #37)?

I blasted it in a post a few days ago, in the long-ago thread started by vasshopper, but that was only fair after what it did to me. http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/smile.gif

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield



Retiree, Musician, Dog-Lover, Whiskey-Drinker

cowdery
06-25-2002, 12:05
I haven't had a bad bottle yet, but don't think I've had any post-Stitzel bottlings. I'll let you know when I do.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://cowdery.home.netcom.com>--Chuck Cowdery</A>

Barrel_Proof
03-05-2003, 21:15
Bump. After reading more than a few postings describing Stagg, curiously, as "sweet," I cracked the seal on a new bottle of Old Fitz BIB. Holy smokes!! Open the windows!! Now THIS is what a sweet bourbon tastes like boys and girls. This bottle of OF BIB is pure CRACKER JACK: popcorn, caramel, and peanuts. Wow! This ain't like ANYTHING I've tasted in a dozen months of Sundays. I'm sure if I have another dram my cracker jack bourbon prize will appear!

Just to test myself, I dove deep into the bunker to find the David Nicholson 1843, 7yo BIB, which others have described as OF BIB, just older. Well, dang if these two don't taste a world apart, even if they started from the same mashbill: The DN 1843 is caramel, indeed, but it ain't got no peanuts. The OF BIB is caramel, yes, but it's got peanuts, too, and we're talkin' lotsa peanuts!!

You gotta check this out. Try a recent OF BIB and tell us if you don't taste CRACKER JACK before you set that glass down. I'm going further, though: This Cracker Jack of a bottle is heading to the gazebo in September. Whoa, Nellie!

bobbyc
03-05-2003, 21:39
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I'm going further, though: This Cracker Jack of a bottle is heading to the gazebo in September. Whoa, Nellie

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Here we go! Now we're getting something to look forward to!!!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif
BTW I know where there is a O Fitz BIB from Dsp 1 and Dsp16 . The Old stuff. It's a lot higher than a bottle from DSP31 but I think I will get it. I have 1 more of the Ky Gentleman BIB to get 1.75. I tell you what there isn't many dusty bottles left anywhere. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

Barrel_Proof
03-05-2003, 21:43
Bobby, the OF BIB "cracker jack" I wrote about is from DSP-KY-1, while the tamer, though older, DN 1843 is from DSP-KY-16. What can you tell us about the differences?

bobbyc
03-05-2003, 21:53
Cliff does that OF BIB say DSP 1 only or does it say Distilled AT DSP1 and Bottled At DSP16?
DSP16 was Stitzel Weller at Shively. DSP 1 was at 17th and Breckinridge, AKA Bernhiem , United, And now is Heaven Hill. I also went to the Bunker and found a OFBIB that says Distilled at dsp16 bottled at dsp24 I guess at the end of the day DSP 16 is what we are looking for.

Barrel_Proof
03-05-2003, 22:04
You're a sharp one, there Bobby; a fine print kinda guy, I see!

Cracker Jack is a recently acquired bottle that reads: distilled by DSP-KY-1; bottled at DSP-KY-31.

What does this all mean, o' wise one?

bobbyc
03-05-2003, 22:18
All it means is the whiskey was produced by United and Bottled by Heaven Hill , We will see more of this as it goes along, Heaven Hill owns the Old Fitz Label, It would seem more like it is entrusted to their care and they no doubt, will leave it's intrigrity intact. There's something about the Stitzel Weller Distillery , a romance or nostalgia that evokes in some , a light in their eyes at the mention of it followed by a sigh or hanging of the head. It truly was once a great enterprise and got a short shift from Diageo. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

Barrel_Proof
03-05-2003, 22:26
Tonight the StraightBourbon.com forum members discovered that there are more variants of OF BIB than any of them, individually, could ever have imagined. Fortunately, for this poster and his gazebo buddies, the Cracker Jack bottle is safely bunkered away. (I promise to leave at least half the peanuts in the bottle!) http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

bluesbassdad
03-05-2003, 23:19
B.P.,

The distillery codes on Cracker Jack match the codes on a bottle that I went eight rounds with a few months back. (I lost on a split decision.) Of course, my memory isn't good enough to recall such an obscure fact, but fortunately for me I recorded that info in a post.

Ever since then I've had it in the back of my mind that if Chuck likes it (and he does), then I need to give it another chance someday. The last time I tried to buy another bottle, my hand refused to follow orders, and I grabbed a bottle of OF 1849, instead. (I've found that I like it just fine, for the price -- the same as the BIB at Hi Time (http://www.hitimewine.com/spirits_4.htm#americanwhiskey) -- when they actually have it in stock.)

Your report has caused me to renew my intention to pick up another bottle of the BIB the next time I make a liquor run to Costa Mesa.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

boone
03-05-2003, 23:36
DSP KY #31 is Heaven Hill Distilleries, Inc....

DSP KY #1 is our (Heaven Hill) Bernheim facility...(Distillery)...

Heaven Hill bought the distillery from United Distiller's...we bought the label (Old Fitz.) at the same time...

This is Bond...federal law requires that the DSP# on the label and the product in the bottle is distilled by that DSP #...

The julian date on the---side--- of the bottle will tell the exact date it was bottled...Most of the time it's there...


http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

cowdery
03-06-2003, 18:15
It bears repeating that good distillers will try to match a brands taste profile, even as ownership and even distilleries change. Overall, I think OF BIB has kept a very sweet taste profile, even if there are discernible differences between the DSP 16 and DSP 1 whiskeys.

bobbyc
03-06-2003, 19:02
I stopped at the liquor store which has the 1.75 of Old Fitz BIB and it is a DSP16 so it is an older bottle . It has been there for years and I will pick it up in a week or so if it doesn't get snapped up by then. He also has a number of the Ky Spirit with Pewter Stoppers, Damn I need to sell a guitar! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif But alas I only jest, I couldn't sell them or if I did I would be in such extremity that Bourbon wouldn't be in the mix. ( Read Food or Rent!) http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

vasshopper
03-08-2003, 06:51
Bobby grab that bottle if it says dsp-16 only on the bottle. it is the best!!!!! if it says 16 and 24 it won,t taste as good. the s/w bottlings bottled before approx. 1985 tastes the best. if you really want the best get the one made and bottled in the 70,s if you can find them. i know because i have about 25 gallons of the old stuff. pure ambrosia as Chuck Cowdery would say. It is the best bourbon i,ve ever tasted. try KUHLS liquor across from the explorer plant in louisville cause i was in a hurry and might have missed some. good luck and the older bottlings are the best if you know what to look for. life is good--den

bobbyc
03-08-2003, 08:00
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i know because i have about 25 gallons of the old stuff.

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Will the real Bourbo-Bunker owners please stand up!
Damn and as Paul Harvey would say, " Now you know the rest of the Story!" http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Paradox
03-08-2003, 08:55
Haha, you're not kidding Bobby! My collection now somehow feels inferior... http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

I'm going to definately have to search some of this out, considering how someone finds it good enough to put away that much of it! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

--&gt; Mark

CL
03-08-2003, 09:17
Dang, this is serious stuff! When Bobby and Paradox prostrate themselves in worship, you know someone has mother lode in the bunker!

ratcheer
03-08-2003, 11:02
Isn't that Sheriff Taylor's car?

Tim

CL
03-08-2003, 13:30
Yep, seeing that I live in NC. Barney is on the other side and a Carolina Hurricanes flag waving from the passenger door. A coworker photochopped it last year during the Stanley Cup run.

I know it's kind of hard to see the flag or Barney. So, here is the full photo.

bobbyc
03-08-2003, 14:47
Excellent , Did you read the thread , We're all Barney's on this Bus? Classic Cox and Spencer! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

vasshopper
03-08-2003, 16:09
sorry i don,t have a digital camera or i would post all of my stitzel-weller bottlings. i would,nt know how to use the camera anyway, still learning how to type on this keyboard. life is good--den

jeff
03-11-2003, 18:21
You know, Old Fitz BIB has probably suprised me more than any other bourbon. I don't know why, but my impressions prior to tasting were that this was a solid bottom shelf brand. Dave's comments didn't help matters http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif After trying it I must say that this is a great bourbon. I love the vanilla sweet aftertaste that lingers around for a long time. I think that the marketing people for OF BIB do it a disservice. A little bit of flashyness in the packaging and people would flock to it. And unfortunately the price would rise as well. I take that back, OF BIB is best kept as our little secret http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

swash1
03-12-2003, 08:06
I'd like to try some of the Old Fitz BIB, but I want to be sure I'm getting the right bottling. I live in Southern New Jersey, so the local selection is VERY limited. I looked at the Straight Bourbon list of bottlings (from main page click on "Brands", then "Bottlings") and I see three with the Old Fitz name:

Old Fitzgerald 1849 , Heaven Hill , 8 years old, 90
Old Fitzgerald Prime Bourbon , Heaven Hill , 80
Old Fitzgerald Prime Bourbon , Heaven Hill , 86

Is one of these the BIB you keep refering to or is there another I should be hunting for? Any online sales?

bobbyc
03-12-2003, 08:29
BIB is 100 proof. If you can look at the older established liquor stores for things that have been there a while, If you see DSP16 on the label, you found the Motherlode! Good luck. There is still some around , The search is on! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

mike1
03-12-2003, 10:54
look for the green label. It will say 100 proof and Bottled in Bond. It goes for around 15.00 a fifth.

cowdery
03-13-2003, 16:51
All of the Old Fitz expressions are very good (although the BIB is my favorite). They're all good values too. It has long been my belief that Old Fitz is one of the secret treasures of bourbon country.

bobbyc
03-13-2003, 20:27
Hooked that DSP16 1.75 of OF BIB. Then I thought I found the motherlode of JW Dant. Distilled at DSP113 and Bottled at DSP 16 , they were 4 deep 750ml and Liter's but upon closer inspection only the front facings of each were Dsp113 and Dsp16, the others are Dsp 31 but they are still rather old . Is it any good ? Don't know yet , but I can Hope! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

ratcheer
03-14-2003, 18:09
Let me know if the JW Dant is good. Please tell me separately for each DSP. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Thanks, Tim

bobbyc
03-14-2003, 19:15
Well it would seem that I have found quite a relic here. According to Sam Cecil Dsp 113 now is the Buffalo Trace distillery, there's a lot to about the machinations of Schenley buying the Dant distillery , JW Dant at the time ( early 50s) was a hot item. Schenley had overproduced at BT in anticipation of a mandatory shortdown because of the Korean Conflict, as was the case in WWII but did not occur. How Stitzel Weller got the bottling of this is unknown to me. I like the HH version of JW Dant , It is an in your face Bourbon and a little rough here and there. I haven't pulled the plug yet on DSP 113/16 . It may turn out very good indeed. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif


I have a small amount ( DSP113/DSP16) and am getting aquainted with it. It has a definate Alcohol burn . Not unpleasant , I will say this isn't as good as Stagg, It's not better than OFBB. I wish some of the Straight Bourbonians could take a touch of this one. They may not have gone to great pains to make this Bourbon , probably just a production run. It isn't bad, actually very good. Tim , I'll save you a sip! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

vasshopper
03-15-2003, 03:13
Hey Bobby when was the old fitz 1.75 bottled. hope it is and old one and does it have dsp-16 only on the bottle or 16 and 24. enjoy !! life is good--den

chaz
03-15-2003, 07:59
Sorry, I'm confused a little. Have located some Old Fitz BB that was made by 16 and bottled by another ..now is this good or does the bottler matter..and if so why? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

Marvin
03-15-2003, 12:00
Read all the post on Old Fitzgerald BIB-what great reviews! Had a couple of new bottles so I popped the cork on one and there was nothing there. Spent the next couple of days scouring the countryside and finally found it " an old bottle of Fitz" but not much there either. Read barrel proofs tasting and was really looking forward to those peanuts, but there were none to be found. Just don't know what all the fuss is about-not a bad bourbon but not a good one and a long ways from being a great bourbon. The only thing that got me going on this is what barrel -proof said "full of peanuts" and I love peanuts but just were not there! I think this was a great bourbon in days gone by, but by the standards of today it is way down on the list. Seems like when they resurrect a bourbon it is just never the same, certainly true in this case! Sure would have loved them peanuts!!!

Cheers,
Marvin

bluesbassdad
03-15-2003, 13:39
Marvin,

Back when I was a kid, we used to put a whole bag (five cents worth) of Planter's peanuts into a bottle of Coca Cola (another five cents).

Maybe you could try adding just one peanut to a shot of bourbon, and letting it sit a while to absorb some of the peanut flavor, for a sort of Kentucky Planter's Punch. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

BTW, as I've posted before in other threads, I'm among those who just don't get it in regard to Old Fitz BIB.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Marvin
03-15-2003, 15:04
Dave,

I forgot all about that trick-I used to do that when I was a kid-maybe I'll just give that a try! But, Dave I understand what you are talking about - I just don't get it with Old Fitz either. There isn't much there. Just thinking, at my age I'd probably choke on those damn peanuts!!!!

Cheers,
Marvin

jeff
03-15-2003, 15:41
If I recall correctly, Dave thinks his bottle might have been bad. Have you tried it lately Dave? I am almost positive that the only OF BIB that I have tried has been the newer stuff. Won't win any tasting awards, but certainly better than many IMHO. But hey, I think Knob Creek tastes like battery acid, what do I know? http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif

Gillman
03-15-2003, 15:44
In the 1970's when I started to sample bourbons and straight rye, I learned Old Fitzgerald was made from a corn and wheat mash. I really liked it, initially more than bourbon made from corn/rye, but only (oddly maybe) the 80 proof. As issued by the distillery it had the perfect balance. I tried the 1849 plus other versions including the bonded one, and they never seemed as good. I think the dilution to 80 proof brought out the full smooth complexity of this bourbon. I used to buy higher proof or older Old Fitz" and could never get the taste or balance like the distillery. I think the 80 had a red and white label. (I should say too I drink bourbon undiluted so my approach to proof is affected by that). Since the ownership changes of the brand I have not had the chance to taste any version of Old Fitz. I am hoping that, as put out by HH (a company I much respect), the 80 abv. has the flavour I recall from the late 70's. But I wonder based on these current reports..

Cy

Bob
03-15-2003, 16:32
Jeff,

Just a question...what the hell does battery acid taste like? I hope you're not nipping on it too much! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Bob

Barrel_Proof
03-15-2003, 16:39
Marvin: Check the DSPs on your BIB. There have been wide variations in profiles noted lately for Old Fitz. My Cracker Jack BIB bottle reads: distilled by DSP-KY-1; bottled at DSP-KY-31. I'm gonna have to bring the Cracker Jack AND the BIB to Bardstown, it appears.

bluesbassdad
03-15-2003, 16:52
Jeff,

I have suggested the "bad bottle" theory mainly because I have so much respect for the tasting abilities of others here who like the Old Fitz BIB so much. The fact is that I did not detect any off-taste in the nose or on the palate. My only complaint was in regard to the finish, which I found to be unbearably harsh (when drunk neat, which is my customary way).

No, I have not yet given it another try. As I've mentioned before, I really intended to, but I ended up with the 1849 (did I get the year right this time?), instead. [Pause for a run to the kitchen liquor shelf for a little memory jigger, er, uh, make that "jogger"...]

The 1849 (it's David Nicholson that's "1843", right?) is drinkable, lacking the chainsaw finish that I recall in the BIB (#1/#37, IIRC). However, I find the nose to be caramel-sweet but scant, the palate more like hickory shells than peanuts, and the finish even more hickory-like, which is to say, dry to the point of bitterness. In short, there's not much I can say to recommend it, except that I like it better than the BIB.

Of course, I might perceive it differently when the remnants of this head cold go away. I seem to recall that I liked it better than this when I first opened it. I may even have posted to that effect.

Regarding Knob Creek, I have found that I like it better in a bar than I do at home. I can't explain why. At home it has a taste that reminds me of burned toast.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

racer
03-15-2003, 18:06
I hope, no body is trying to nip on battery acid. I bet it's really sour http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif . I have a 2 shots of OF BIB in front on me. The bottle says DSP-KY-1, bottled at DSP-KY-31. There is a mustiness that comes across as nutty. It does remind me of a bag of peanuts or any other roasted nut. It's a good bourbon, I have had better, but I tried worse. But it's bargain for around $15.
mark h.

bobbyc
03-15-2003, 18:45
It only says DSP 16 on it. I have another that says Distilled @ DSP1 , Bottled @ Dsp 24 . I didn't make it to Kuhls yet. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Barrel_Proof
03-15-2003, 18:55
Sounds like an OF BIB DSP shoot-out is in order! Might I suggest that we assemble our collective variants and explore the differences in September? We need something to tear us away from Stagg and Birthday at least for a few minutes!

jeff
03-16-2003, 18:39
Hey, times are tough and bourbon ain't cheap! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

MurphyDawg
03-17-2003, 13:57
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But hey, I think Knob Creek tastes like battery acid, what do I know?


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Jeff,

Thats because it DOES taste like battery acid!


Tom (LOL) C

Paradox
03-17-2003, 14:48
haha, I didn't want to say anything either since I know so many love Knob Creek, but I don't really find anything that special about it either. Especially at what they charge for it... Just my opinion and we all know what they are like... http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

--&gt; Mark R.

Gillman
03-17-2003, 17:04
I think what you guys are noticing is the "wild yeast" edge to this side of the Beam family. The same taste is in Jim Beam regular issue. One would have thought the years of extra age on the regular Beam (some 5 more) would rub out that taste, but it doesn't. This is a classic whiskey yeast, devised as most know in '33 when Beam started up again, but I for one have never been able to come to terms with it. I prefer the yeast no. 2 formula used in Grandad, for example, which is not as assertive/abrasive. Now Grandad at nine years old plus - that would be a treat.

Cy

jeff
03-17-2003, 17:29
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I think what you guys are noticing is the "wild yeast" edge to this side of the Beam family

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You might be right, but Knob Creek has an acidic, astringent, medicinal, tannic and otherwise "off" taste that I don't get in the other Beam bourbons. Dare I say that I prefer the 4yo white to Knob Creek http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif To me KC bares absolutely no family resemblence to its older siblings, Baker's and Booker's, which I enjoy very much. This is somewhat dissappointing to me as KC is by far the most affordable http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif

bluesbassdad
03-17-2003, 17:37
Jeff,

See you on a Knob Creek thread, if I can find one, real soon.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

ratcheer
03-17-2003, 18:55
Hmmmm...

Odd. I like Booker's and Knob Creek, but Baker's has a taste that just puts me off.

Tim

cowdery
03-17-2003, 19:16
Old Fitzgerald Prime is the 80 proof expression. It has a gold label.

cowdery
03-17-2003, 19:20
Just a reminder to anyone who thinks they might have a bad bottle of bourbon that several Straight Bourbon members offer comprehensive bourbon testing and disposal services at no cost. My shipping address is available upon request.

jeff
03-17-2003, 20:36
I think Dave is onto something with his assesment of individual tastes. I have often hypothesized that the brain makes taste good that which it thinks it needs. To oversimplify, this is why salty foods and drinks taste really good when you are dehydrated. Maybe there is some chemical compound, sulfite, or other characteristic about KC, or in your case Baker's, that makes our brains reject it and not want to consume more of it. This is the only logical way to explain why Tom doesn't think that the Stagg is the best bourbon on the face of the earth http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

MurphyDawg
03-17-2003, 23:45
No the fact that the price of Stagg approaches $50 a bottle and is not available locally is why I dont think Stagg is the greatest. My theory is that the brain also downgrades the greatness of the products your body CAN'T have!



Tom (LOL SPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTT!!!) C

MurphyDawg
03-17-2003, 23:47
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My shipping address is available upon request.

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DITTO HERE!!


BLEEEE!!

TomC

CL
03-18-2003, 07:44
You are just in the wrong state. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif The bottles of GTS that I bought in WV yesterday were $34.55 each before tax. After the 11% liquor tax, they are $38.39 each. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

I know, it's crazy about how it can be so easy to get in some places and so hard in others, with appropriate pricing due to taxes and supply/demand.

BTW, the bottles I bought yesterday were supposed to be for coworkers back home. But, I just couldn't resist buying one extra for my dwindling stash. Fortunately, I think I am over the initial euphoria (which lasted two months!). Now, I am actually able to resist its allure for a week or two at a time. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

Bob
03-18-2003, 12:16
CL,

It seems a lot of us are in the wrong state. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif If I could get GTS for $38/bottle, that is ALL I'd buy! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Bob

CL
03-18-2003, 12:37
In my home state (NC), I can't buy GTS at all. But, since, I am visiting my aging parents about once a month in WV to help them with finances and such, I get the chance to buy some GTS while I am here. It's just God's way of rewarding me for being such a wonderful son. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

Bob
03-18-2003, 15:38
That's a great reward, in my book! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif What's the deal in WV? Are they state stores, or privatly owned and operated? I may pass thru this WV this summer, I guess I'll have to stop and check things out! http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Bob

CL
03-18-2003, 16:41
I know two things. One, the liquor is sold at retail stores not owned by the state. Two, the state runs a liquor warehouse.

WV ABCA Spirits Catalog (http://www.state.wv.us/abcc/downspir.htm)

My guess is that the state buys all the liquor and acts as distributor. Note that the catalog above is wholesale pricing.

When I was growing up in WV in the 70's, though, the state owned the retail business.

I wouldn't expect a store in WV to stock GTS. What I did was go to the online yellow pages and look up liquor stores in the city I was visiting. Then I called a store and asked them if they stocked it. They did, but only a case at a time, so I asked them to order a couple cases for me. The first time they asked me to pay up front. The second time I didn't have to pay until I picked it up. I gave them two weeks lead time for each visit, but it seems that one week is all they needed.

P.S. A case is three bottles, not twelve. http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif

CL
03-18-2003, 18:47
I did some research tonight. It appears that my assumption was correct. The state of WV retains control of the wholesale distribution of liquor. It discontinued retail sales in state stores in 1991 and allowed privately owned retail stores.

WV ABCA History (http://www.state.wv.us/abcc/history.htm)

bluesbassdad
03-23-2003, 13:29
Chuck,

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I would be very hesitant to drink from an opened bottle sent to me by someone I know only by correspondence. I assumed that others would be similarly cautious.

If your offer is serious, I will take you up on it the next time my taster tells me that someone else's favored bourbon is dreadful. Now I wish I hadn't dumped my Old Fitz BIB (after struggling through over half the bottle) and Old Whiskey River (after two failed attempts to finish a single drink).

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

bobbyc
03-23-2003, 14:58
Dave, some of these posts need to be taken with a grain of salt, I think the Bourbon testing service offered by some ( I think I may have offered once, You know it was probably for Stagg or OFBB only!) Is another attempt at humour by some of us aspiring Bourbon Critic/ Writers. It would take a Low Life Son of a Bitch to send a tainted bottle to any of us here. The last time I looked I don't think we have a resident LLSOB yet. You have a good point otherwise. There was a couple instances and long threads here in the past about a bad bottle of Weller and I think Linn got a bottle that he wasn't thrilled with and both where replaced if I recall correctly, and the Weller went back to Buffalo Trace to be tested. Now the question is , do they only do that with scientific instruments or is it actually tasted? I guess they could have used nosing only and that would be accurate enough.

boone
03-23-2003, 15:52
Hi Bobby!

I don't know what the other distilleries do but I know what Heaven Hill does...

Every tank has a test sample taken from it before it's bottled...everything must meet certain specks before the bottling can be done...I have watched this process all the time...It's Kim's job (night shift)...She stays very busy...She does the same with the single barrel bottlings...a massive and very intense job...plus proofing the lines. That means cooking the "sweets" (liquors, snapps etc.) each one (sweets) takes about 30 minutes each to proof...

When a product is sent back...they will test the color proof etc...then...they get the original sample taken from the tank before it was bottled...You are probably wondering how do they know which tank that particular bourbon came from?...There is a "jet" printed date (on the side of the bottle) this is called the Julian date...it tells the exact date it was bottled...then...it just a matter of looking up the papers for the tank number...

After all the numbers are in...then the final test comes into place...It's our taste testers...Hell, Mike Sonne is so good at testing he can tell ya the proof age and what ever ya need to know about it...that's how good of a tester is...

If Mike, Chris, David, and Millard say it fine ...it's fine...We have called him (Mike) in the middle of the night to taste test certain items in question...

Oh Well, I hope this helps...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

bluesbassdad
03-23-2003, 23:11
Bobby,

Your post caused me to think about another angle. If my OWR was really as bad as I say it was (cauliflower, with notes of boiled chicken livers), anyone I might have sent it to might well have believed I was the one who tainted it, causing me to be labeled a LLSOB without good reason (this time http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ).

In retrospect, I probably should have asked Bettye Jo how to send it to the official taster at HH for evaluation. I'm absolutely sure it just wasn't right.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

MarkB
03-26-2003, 09:41
Upon the suggestion of one of the learned members here I tried the Old Fitz 1849 8yo. since I've expressed how much I like the Nicholson 1843BIB, 7yo. I haven't had a chance to try the Old Fitz BIB, of which the KY-1 batch is all I can find. While it was quite good, I like the 1843 better than the Old Fitz 1849. The 1843 is very rich and smooth with a bit of that "cracker jack" flavor I've heard described for the OF BIB (no peanuts that I can tell however). The 1843 is the DSP-KY-16. Some VERY fine stuff, I must say.

Is this DSP-KY-16 a limited item that I might ought to stock up on? And also, wouldn't it be the exact same as the Old Fitz BIB except 3 years longer in cask?

Mark
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cowdery
03-26-2003, 18:58
Anything with DSP-KY-16 on it is rare and getting rarer, because they aren't making any more of it. Yes, grab it up.