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camduncan
11-04-2004, 20:27
I've been meaning to start this post for a while....

I'm interested in establishing just what bourbons are available from what retailers here in Australia. Please feel free to add any others to this post if I've missed some.

Jim Beam products - Jim Beam White, Black, Rye and Beams Choice, as well as the small batch range (Knob, Bakers, Bookers & Basil Haydens) and the Small Batch with port bottle are all carried by literally every retailer in Australia.

Heaven Hill New Zealand products are stocked by Liquorland, Theos & Vintage Cellars. All carry a small range including Kentucky Gold, Evan Williams Black Label, Evan Williams Single Barrel, Elijah Craig 12 Year Old, Virgin Bourbon, Sam Sykes, Daniel Stewart, Bourbon Falls, Fighting Cock, and Bourbon Royal.

Bulleit Bourbon is available in most larger outlets.

Old Rip Van Winkle products are sold by Burwood Cellars in Victoria. Last I heard they had stock of ORVW Family Reserve Rye and ORVW 20yo Family Reserve.

Blantons is stocked by Nick's Wine Merchant's in Melbourne. They have stock of Original, Gold lablel and Family Reserve.

Jack Daniels is sold in all retailers.

pete_d
11-04-2004, 21:15
With Jim Beam, you've also got the Bonded Beam (Gold Label) not sure if this is an export only thing. I cannot understand why Old Grandad is not imported under Jim Beam Brands.

I'm not sure if fighting cock is still being imported. Last saw it at a Theo's about 12 months ago.

With JD, We've got JD Green Label, JD Black Label, Gentleman Jack, and JD Single Barrel. - available most places.

Wild Turkey 86, Wild Turkey 101 8yo, Wild Turkey Rare Breed, and the mixers - available most places.

Woodford Reserve is getting more common here as well. Old Forrester however is not available as of yet.

Hedmans Brorsa
11-05-2004, 03:26
I have been told that the mythical Indiana bourbon Sam Cougar black is a product made exclusively for the Australia/New Zealand market but maybe it has been discontinued?

pete_d
11-05-2004, 03:57
Never tried it, so can't comment on quality, but I believe there are two strains of Cougar available here. By brother (the cad who got me into bourbon) said both taste slightly better if cut 1/1 with ammonia.




I don't think he cared for it too much.

Tallica
11-05-2004, 06:56
There is the plain Cougar ( 5 yrold at a lowly 74 proof) & then there is XS Cougar(black no age statement but 86 proof)
Cougar used to be my standard mix with coke.
I would on the nose it has dominant aniseed & tobacoo overtones.
Well I just had my first Cougar since my coke drowning days, obviously not alot of kick & somewhat underwelming but finish is surprisingly long.

Hedmans Brorsa
11-05-2004, 08:14
Thanks for the info. Well, there you go - I only knew of one Cougar bottling. You say that the 74 proof is 5yo. Is this stated on the label? I ask because I have one bottle of the 74 proof. It is called Sam Cougar black but there is no age statement. The whiskey I find to be OK, if hardly sensational. If anything, it is the very antithesis to bourbons like Knob Creek in that it is one of the most non-sweet bourbons that I have ever tasted.

Sorry Camduncan (and Jim) for partly hi-jacking this thread but there´s so few opportunities to talk about Cougar.

I also find it highly amusing that a whiskey that I´ve been hunting for several years is used a lowly mixer down under. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tallica
11-05-2004, 08:28
The age is on the label. I beleive Cougar is bulk shipped to Aust & bottled here.
Jim Murray in one of his books pays Cougar quite a high compliment putting it in his top ten Bourbons.
Each to his own.

camduncan
11-07-2004, 22:47
Forgot to mention, I've also seen a few bottles of Sam Houston at either BWS or the Grape stores. It retails for around the same price as Bookers.

camduncan
11-07-2004, 22:51
Jim Murray in one of his books pays Cougar quite a high compliment putting it in his top ten Bourbons



Cougar is what most pubs, clubs and bars tend to sell as a house bourbon and a cheaper alternative to Jim Beam White (at least here in the state of Queensland)
It's never been a favourite of mine, but I've only ever drunk it at the pub with a post-mix coke added....and if they have Jim Beam White, I'll always ask for that rather than drink the house bourbon (Cougar..)

camduncan
11-24-2004, 20:55
I've also recently heard that Four Roses is available in limited quantities at one of the Melbourne stores...

Tallica
11-25-2004, 06:41
I picked one up some time ago at Clarinda cellars

camduncan
12-09-2004, 18:35
It's interesting to see that in Jim Murray's 2005 Whiskey Bible, he rates Cougar Bourbon at 93/100.
I'm not sure I can translate his notes here without infringing copyright, but I certainly wouldn't rate Cougar equal to the likes of Blanton's Gold, Blantons Single Barrel, Bookers or Rip Van Winkle 15yo...

Hedmans Brorsa
12-10-2004, 06:53
I find Mr. Murray to be pretty reliable when it comes to bourbon, Irish whiskey and deluxe blended Scotch. Less so, however, regarding standard bottlings, Canadian whisky and exotica. Examples of the latter would, for instance, be the only single malt from Pakistan, the only oat whisky made in the world or, in this case, the only (?) bottled straight bourbon from Indiana. For some reason he seems to go bonkers when dealing with products like these.

Was it the 74 or 86 proof that he reviewed? As I´ve more or less written before, I find the low proof version to be perfectly drinkable but hardly an earthshattering experience. I´ve never had or even seen the XS bottling. Is this supposed to be a deluxe version of Cougar?

What I would be really interested in, is the reasoning behind this phenomenon. Why is this whiskey so heavily promoted in the pacific market and totally invisible in the rest of the world?

camduncan
12-10-2004, 14:14
Was it the 74 or 86 proof that he reviewed? As I´ve more or less written before, I find the low proof version to be perfectly drinkable but hardly an earthshattering experience. I´ve never had or even seen the XS bottling. Is this supposed to be a deluxe version of Cougar?




It's the 74 proof bottling.
I must admit that my only real experience with Cougar is that it is usually offered as the 'house' bourbon instead of Jim Beam White at some clubs or pubs. I think I paid $6.80 AU for a Cougar & coke last week...and a Jim Beam white and coke was $7.50 when I asked for it.

I've not tried the XS....but am thinking of getting a bottle in the new year to try.

camduncan
12-10-2004, 14:34
I guess as an extension of this thread - my wish list for bourbons not currently available down under would have to be -
Ejijah Craig 18yo (apparently comming next year)
Evan Williams 23yo
and...
Any bottling from the Buffalo Trace Distilery - BT, Blantons, Antique collection, Van Winkle (although, Van Winkle is available in very limited quantities at somewhat expensive prices)

TNbourbon
12-10-2004, 14:53
I find Mr. Murray to be pretty reliable...Less so, however, regarding standard bottlings, Canadian whisky and exotica. Examples of the latter would...be the only ...(?) bottled straight bourbon from Indiana.




It's the 74 proof bottling.


Guys, I realize that U.S. liquor/labeling laws don't apply there, but, for the record (and, perhaps, your interest), a 74-proof Cougar -- even from Indiana -- would not qualify as a straight bourbon here. The minimum for any whiskey (straight or not) to carry the name 'whiskey' on the label is 80 proof.

musher
12-10-2004, 15:51
Guys, I realize that U.S. liquor/labeling laws don't apply there, but, for the record (and, perhaps, your interest), a 74-proof Cougar -- even from Indiana -- would not qualify as a straight bourbon here. The minimum for any whiskey (straight or not) to carry the name 'whiskey' on the label is 80 proof.


Are we talking US proof, or British proof? Is it standard down there, and if so, is it the British standard? If so, then the 74 proof would actually be 84.6 US proof.

US 100 proof is the same as British 87.5 proof, both of which are 50% alcohol by volume.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-11-2004, 05:18
The minimum for any whiskey (straight or not) to carry the name 'whiskey' on the label is 80 proof.



This minimum applies for Europe, as well (or at least Western Europe).

I should, of course, have written "the only bottled bourbon from Indiana". Examining my bottle, I found no traces of the word straight. What it says is : "Authentic Kentucky style bourbon whiskey"



Are we talking US proof, or British proof? Is it standard down there, and if so, is it the British standard? If so, then the 74 proof would actually be 84.6 US proof.




Hmm, an insightful observation. Maybe one of the Australians who have actually seen the XS bottling can clarify? A primitive Google search yielded no results...

TNbourbon
12-11-2004, 09:02
I should, of course, have written "the only bottled bourbon from Indiana". Examining my bottle, I found no traces of the word straight. What it says is : "Authentic Kentucky style bourbon whiskey"



Actually, it can't either 'bourbon' or 'whiskey' under 80 proof because, of course, it has to be whiskey before it can be bourbon. So, I think Mike must have hit on the answer -- different system of measuring proof.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-11-2004, 10:43
I think Mike must have hit on the answer -- different system of measuring proof.



Unfortunately,no. Examining the label once more, I discover that it says : 74 US proof. The answer clearly must be found within the field of Australian jurisdiction.

Like you, I´ve also been pretty sure that the the terms 'straight' and 'bourbon' are inseparable. I even remember that, several years ago, on this forum, I asked in a state of confusion what constituted a non-straight bourbon.

I don´t know, maybe deviations are allowed within the confines of a certain country´s jurisdiction?

boone
12-11-2004, 11:01
I don't know what is "standard" for other distilleries...but when we call for a "proof check" after circulation or wash out (on the line)...It's done in "proof gallons"...Upstairs (Tank room) http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif...they use Wine gallons and Proof gallons for measure http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

On a few EXPORT labels the proof is 74.4 ABV...We use the same unit of measure for all http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif on the line http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Actually...the way "we" check proof (it's the same with all, with exception of "sweet" products such as Copa De Ora, Schnapps etc...we have to "cook the sweet stuff to get a ABV http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I will take a bottle...with at least 200 bottles on that particular run to the lab...Take a syringe of product and inject it into this neat little machine http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Set the proper numbers and "Wella" like magic it will give me the exact proof in less than a minute http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Alot faster than the "old fashioned" way they have to do in the dump room http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif This unit of measure is standard for all white and brown product on the line--U.S. and Export-- http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sooooooo...it's the same unit of measure here...it could possibly be different numbers there...I have noticed that the ones with 74.4 and 74.6 got to Australia...but I have noticed that a few of those go to Japan too...

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Bettye Jo http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

camduncan
12-11-2004, 12:16
The minimum for any whiskey (straight or not) to carry the name 'whiskey' on the label is 80 proof.



I just checked some other bottles - my Jim Beam White label and Jim Beam Rye are both 37% or 74 proof as well. These also say they are bottled in Australia, so I guess they are imported here in barrels and then bottled which might explain how they are less than 40% or 80 proof http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

pete_d
12-11-2004, 16:41
The minimum for any whiskey (straight or not) to carry the name 'whiskey' on the label is 80 proof.



I just checked some other bottles - my Jim Beam White label and Jim Beam Rye are both 37% or 74 proof as well. These also say they are bottled in Australia, so I guess they are imported here in barrels and then bottled which might explain how they are less than 40% or 80 proof http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif



I think you're right. By checking the Binny's site I can see that a bottle of Jim Beam com es in 750ml, yet when we buy it here it comes in a 700ml bottle. It looks like there is a bottling system here. Perhaps to cut down on import duty?

Tallica
12-11-2004, 18:19
The XS Cougar is 86 US Proof

Ken Weber
12-22-2004, 09:43
I really don't want to get started on this, but.... Several months ago I was asked to attend a meeting of the KDA (Kentucky Distillers Association) because my boss was out of town. That was the third time I did it and as far as I am concerned, my last. I was so ticked off because they took a vote to see if the KDA should support bourbon going to Australia at less than 80 proof.

I raised the issue that the regs stipulate that bourbon can not be bottled at less than 80 proof and retain the name "bourbon". You see, the problem is that an 80 proof bourbon is taxed at a rate much higher than a 74 proof whiskey. It all boils down to profitability and the ability to compete with other lower proof spirits. This is one of the reasons RTDs are so popular in Australia, they have an inherently lower proof.

At the end of the KDA meeting we took a vote and as I recall, Jimmy Russell, a gentleman from Maker's Mark, and I were the only ones voting against the proposal. When we get to Australia with Buffalo Trace, it will still be 90 proof, despite the tax implications. Now you get an idea why Stagg is sooooo expensive down under!

Ken

wrbriggs
12-22-2004, 10:41
Ken, Buffalo Trace is a class act outfit, and I hope I speak for all of us when I say that it is an honor to have you reading and posting here.

Thank you!

camduncan
12-22-2004, 15:54
This is one of the reasons RTDs are so popular in Australia



Hi Ken, forgive my ignorance, but what are RTD's?



When we get to Australia with Buffalo Trace, it will still be 90 proof, despite the tax implications


I fully support that.. I hope you never compromise BT's quality just to gain entry to a market. In my opinion, as long as there's a nation-wide distribution, I think Buffalo Trace will do extremely well here when it does arrive. From what the staff at my local Liquorland stores say, Heaven Hills' Evan Williams Single Barrel (AU$ 44.95) and Elijah Craig 12yo (AU$ 49.95) have been selling extremely well. At these price points, they are competing against other established brands like Bulleit (AU$ 44.95), Gentleman Jack (AU$ $49.95) & Wild Turkey 8yo ($49.95)
It will be interesting to see where BT (and other BT brands) eventually fit into the market.. I get the impression from the Liquorland staff I've been talking to, and my parents before they sold their pub in July, that the Australian Bourbon market is slowly shifting away from the everyday Beam, Cougar & JD brands to quality bourbons (of course, these still hold the major market share.) The guys at Clarinda Cellars who hold the Australian importing/distribution rights to the Van Winkle Products also said the number of enquiries they take for BT brands is increasing at a steady rate.



Now you get an idea why Stagg is sooooo expensive down under!


I wasn't aware it ever made it to Australia, unless individuals (like me) import for themselves?

ratcheer
12-22-2004, 17:39
Hear, hear!

Tim

TNbourbon
12-22-2004, 22:13
...what are RTD's?



RTD is an acronym for ready-to-drink. I believe I saw a canned Jim Beam-and-cola concoction in one your posted pictures -- that's an RTD.

Ken Weber
12-24-2004, 11:23
Thanks for the clarification! RTDs are pre-mixed drinks of alcohol and Coke or OJ or some other fruit juice.

Ken

musher
12-24-2004, 19:11
That's odd. All my bourbons come ready-to-drink. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

camduncan
12-30-2004, 18:42
I've noticed that Nelson County (pitured in Bettye Jo's post) retails via a different retailer than the normal Heaven Hill products. It's interesting because I thought the Coles Myer Liquorland retail chain had exclusive rights to product supplied by Heaven Hill New Zealand..

On another note, has anyone tried this bourbon? It's certainly in the 'affordable' category (cheaper than Jim Beam White)

Hedmans Brorsa
01-11-2005, 10:45
My Murray 2005 arrived today. I noticed that another Australian 37% called Woodstock was featured. Seems like it can be filed under "mixer whiskey". (He gave it 86 out of 100, though.)

While searching the Internet I stumbled upon this : Independent Liquor New Zealand (http://www.independentliquor.co.nz/ibuilder.aspx?tabid=197)

Apparently there´s more than just one brand. Any of you Aussies tried one of them?

camduncan
01-11-2005, 16:41
I'm sure there are people who like Woodstock, but I'm not really one of them.. I've tried the RTD's several times and one day plan to buy a bottle to try neat.
The price of the RTD's *might* give evidence of the quality - they are often seen on special 6 x 440ml cans for AU$10 Jim Beam White is usually 6 x 330ml for AU$18
I've never seen the other versions they mention.

Hedmans Brorsa
01-13-2005, 09:04
I was curious because in the "What bourbon are you drinking..." thread you mentioned a Kentucky Gold which recently had made an impression on you.

The Kentucky Gold, displayed on this page, however is a blend of some sorts (only 46 proof, would you believe!). Are there two bottlings with the same name or could this strange species be a product for the NZ market?

camduncan
01-13-2005, 13:59
It's definately a different bourbon I'm drinking - It comes frm Heaven Hill as far as I know....see the picture below.
I'm not sure about the one mentioned here, I've never seen it: http://www.independentliquor.co.nz/ibuilder.aspx?tabid=246

bobbyc
01-13-2005, 16:55
Good Lord! I haven't been put off by the DBA till this point. But The Old Q C Distillery is pushing the envelope, what next Old Test Tube and Beaker? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

Hedmans Brorsa
01-14-2005, 05:23
I have now found the Australian equivalent here (http://www.independentdistillers.com.au/ibuilder.aspx?tabid=289). There is no sign of a Kentucky Gold so it is probably a product exclusive to the New Zealand market.

I am still intrigued by this 74 proof/37% business. If you examine the Woodstock label closely (you can view a 503 kb picture of it) there is no mention whatsoever of the words 'straight' or 'whiskey'. Instead you get "genuine Kentucky bourbon" on the neck and "authentic Kentucky bourbon" on the main label. Is this really legal?

Surfing the Internet I chanced upon this site (http://www.dsica.com.au/sections/media/articles/mar02.html)

Interestingly enough, if you return to my earlier link you´ll find that the Scotch in question, Glen Nevis, who comes under fire in this article, seems to be alive and well. To get the low-down on the Australian jurisdiction for hard liquor - now, that would be interesting!

TNbourbon
01-14-2005, 15:51
There is no sign of a Kentucky Gold so it is probably a product exclusive to the New Zealand market.



Nah! Kentucky ships it overseashttp://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif here to Tennessee, too -- I just looked at a bottle earlier today in one of my local liquor stores. Between $8 and $9. Bottled here, too, by the "Quality Control Distilling Co." http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gif

Gillman
01-14-2005, 17:34
Yeah, I had it in a bar in Florida recently. The bar made its Manhattans with it. Actually, it is very good, I had a shot straight. It is a very good blend (despite the clinical-sounding company moniker, which may (I am speculating here) be a kind of inside joke).

Gary

Hedmans Brorsa
01-15-2005, 05:36
What bottling are we talking about, then? The Kentucky Gold that I referred to is, to my knowledge, not bottled by the Quality Control Distilling Co. To avoid any confusion here´s a picture : Kentucky Gold (http://www.independentliquor.co.nz/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/LARGE_KENTUCKY_GOLD.jpg)

A follow-up question to this would be : what constitutes an American blend? In Sweden there is no such thing as a "stand-alone blend", it has to be blended whisk(e)y with a minimum of 80 proof. This darling (the KG, that is) is only 46 proof! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Gillman
01-15-2005, 06:25
The Kentucky Gold I was referring to was the one Tim mentioned of the same name, an 80 proof blended whiskey put out by Quality Control Distilling Company. This other, Antipodean Kentucky Gold, with a much lower abv, clearly is a different version. I don't know if they are both made by the same company.

Gary

TNbourbon
01-15-2005, 08:15
No, actually, the version I saw yesterday locally -- like the one Cam posted -- is a Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, not a blend. Only difference was the standard U.S 750ml size vs. Cam's 700ml. The labeling was even identical otherwise.

Gillman
01-15-2005, 09:06
Thanks for the clarification. There must be different versions for different markets. I am pretty sure (this is from memory though) that the one I saw was an 80% blended whiskey made by Quality Control Distillery. I thought the name was amusing in its plainess but maybe there was some humor behind it, like hey let's give the guys in the lab department a nod. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Anyway the one I had was very good, one of the best American blendeds I have ever had. It had a good bourbon undertone with a soft, caramel-like taste. The one Cam mentioned though seems different due to the low abv, almost a cordial perhaps.

Gary

bobbyc
01-15-2005, 15:30
Anyway, I'm sure it's a site many here will watch with interest.




You are probably right on, Gary. Any one else going to be looking for their table at the sampler with me? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

cowdery
01-17-2005, 18:28
"American Blended Whiskey" is a combination of aged whiskey, unaged whiskey, neutral spirits, flavoring and coloring. Seagram's Seven Crown is the best selling American Blended Whiskey. In contrast, Canadian and Scottish blends contain only aged whiskey, though some of it is nearly neutral. In an American blend, 20 percent of the blend must be 100 proof straight whiskey. To that is added, in some proportion, green whiskey (often corn whiskey) and grain neutral spirits (i.e., vodka). Then flavoring and coloring is added to make it look and taste a little more like whiskey.

Although a lot of thin whiskies are dismissed as "brown vodka," this is the true brown vodka since some of it actually is vodka. American Blends are best in mixed drinks, if they are good for anything. If you've never had one you are missing nothing.

Damien
01-19-2005, 19:37
I've heard a rumour from my local bottleshop manager that Know Creek is no longer going to be sold in Australia.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

All the liquor shops in my area (south-east victoria) are now out of stock, and have been so since xmas. Is this just a coincidence or not?

camduncan
01-19-2005, 20:49
I've heard rumors via a friend who attended a whiskey tasting night late last year that Jim Beam are no longer making Knob Creek. The rumors haven't been repeated here (that I am aware of), so I took them to be just that - rumors.
There is a noteable abscence of stock in stores locally, as well as on Australian online retailers.
I'll definately grab a bottle next time I see one...just in case.

Welcome onboard Damian - It's great to see another Aussie around these parts http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

mobourbon
01-19-2005, 21:03
That's definitely a rumor. Knob Creek is Fred Noe's baby. There's no way Jim Beam would stop making that.
Fred

TNbourbon
01-19-2005, 21:09
For whatever it's worth, we can't get Knob Creek in Middle Tennessee right now either, but it's just because the distributor underestimated holiday sales. It'll be back on the shelf as soon as it's back in stock.

Damien
01-19-2005, 21:12
Thanks for the welcome!

To be honest, thats the exact rumour I heard, but as I haven't heard/read anyhthing else about it on the internet, I didn't think it was true. Apparently, the victorian importers of it have no more stock.
The rest of the rumour I heard was that Jim Beam are going to be using the Knob Creek distillery to make the small batch with the port in it.
Just in case it was true, I bought the last two bottles at two different stores.

cowdery
01-20-2005, 08:30
I have no way of knowing if Jim Beam is or is not going to continue selling Knob Creek in Australia but I can assure you that the brand is not being discontinued world wide. Far from it. It is hugely successful and becoming a second "flagship" brand for the corporation, being mentioned in all of the corporate boilereplate. The rumor that "Jim Beam is going to be using the Knob Creek distillery to make the small batch with the port in it" is patently ridiculous because there is no "Knob Creek Distillery" and adding port or anything else to a whiskey takes nothing more than a couple of stainless steel tanks by the bottling line.

Hedmans Brorsa
01-20-2005, 10:12
Thanks.

Some older Swede lurking on this forum might step forward and correct me, but to my knowledge Seagram´s 7 crown is the only American blend that has ever been available here. It´s been ages since I last tried it and I honestly don´t remember much of its profile.

From time to time I feel an urge to buy a 375 ml bottle just to satisfy my curiosity. Hasn´t happened yet, though. I guess there´s too much exciting things going on in the world of quality whiskey.

Anyway, could this Kentucky Gold,as suggested by Gillman, be a cordial? (whatever that is). Only 46 proof (!)

"Blended with genuine Kentucky bourbon" is what i says on the label.

Damien
01-20-2005, 22:37
Thanks for that.
I guess now, I can stop hoarding it and keep drinking it.

camduncan
02-25-2005, 13:19
Some updated info on Downunder availability...

Knob Creek is definately disapearing from our shelves. It's been replaced by the "Jim Beam Small Batch with Port added" line.
I've noticed a few retailers bumping the price of their remaining KC stocks - shops that used to sell it for $55 are now marking it at up to $80 per bottle (on par with their Bookers retail price)

The Old Rip Van Winkle 12yo (Lot B?) and Pappy 15yo did make it to the Australian retailer. It's selling for $110 & $140 respectively. Stocks are definately limited, and well worth the price http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif

The sad news is they can't get any more ORVW 13yo Rye. The retailer advised it isn't being made any more (which I'm sure is incorrect - I thought Ken or Julian posted that the stock was just being spread exteremely thin to enter new US markets at the moment?)

Elijah Craig 18yo is still absent from our shelves despite the Heaven Hill New Zealand Distributor saying we'd see it in Australia very early in 2005. Of course the Elijah Craig 12yo and Evan Williams 94 Single Barrel are still in plentiful supply, and at $49 & $45 respectively, they represent probably the best bourbon bargains currently available in mass supplies Downunder (in my opinion http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

The best news of all is that Blantons seems to have found a national retailer http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif The bad news is that they don't seem to be actively pushing it into the market as yet. I'll post more after I speak to the distributor again next week.

Ken Weber
02-25-2005, 13:41
Cam,
The VW 13 is gone, but there is the VW 12. Also, we are diligently working to get Buffalo Trace to you. We are getting close.
Ken

camduncan
02-25-2005, 14:42
That's a shame - the ORVW 13yo Rye is one of my favourite drinks - I'll have to slow down on the 2/3 of a bottle I have left...

BT Downunder, now that is good news http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif

camduncan
05-02-2005, 02:49
Cam,
The VW 13 is gone, but there is the VW 12. Also, we are diligently working to get Buffalo Trace to you. We are getting close.
Ken



Ken, have there been any further developments getting BT Downunder? I'm sure it's a complex process to enter a new market....are we talking weeks / months / years before this becomes a reality?

Ken Weber
05-04-2005, 11:24
Australia is driving me nuttier than some of the control states we have here!! Since Buffalo Trace is 90 proof, our price is going to be much higher than JD, unless we can figure something out. We do not want to lower the proof (and change the taste) just to be able to hit a price point. Sometimes marketing drives decisions, but we are trying to make sure that never happens to our bourbons.

We are still evaluating our options and I will let you know as soon as we decide on something.

Ken

bluesbassdad
05-04-2005, 11:49
Ken,

Would your marketing guys consider a campaign along the lines of, "If you must add water . . ."? Or "We supply the bourbon; you supply the water"? Or "We thought about adding more water, but the bottle would have been too big." The point would be to get the consumer to think about the implications of various proofs on value of the product.

As an introduction you could even create a holiday-style package that includes a tiny Erlenmeyer flask to measure the water.


Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

camduncan
05-04-2005, 16:14
Ken,
That'd be a fantastic price point, and it's definately one that would place BT within the budget of the average Aussie bourbon drinker...
To put it in perspective with other products in our market
-Jim Beam White $27-$30
Jim Beam Black $35
Jack Daniels $35
Buffalo Trace $35 ??
Bulleit & Elijah Craig 12yo $45
Evan Williams Single Barrel $50
Gentleman Jack $50

It's interesting to do the same comparison from the US -
Jim Beam White $12.99
Jim Beam Black $18.99
Jack Daniels $19.99
Buffalo Trace $ 24.99
Bulleit $24.99
Elijah Craig 12yo $12.99
Evan Williams Single Barrel $24.99
Gentleman Jack $22.99

Personally, I'd be happy to make BT my everyday pour. But as a general rule, I don't like to go over $40-$45 AU to do this.

Ken Weber
05-05-2005, 16:45
Your price comparison illustrates one of the problems we are facing. Jack Daniel's is 4 years old and 80 proof; we are 9 - 11 years old and 90 proof. Assuming margins are the same, what is the intuitive shelf price for BT? Since the tax in Australia goes up with the proof, our margin would be wiped out if we tried to match price with them. Some other bourbons have maintained margin by decreasing proof (I believe Jim Beam is 76 proof). Bulleit is about 8 years old and is priced at $45. Gentleman Jack is $50, yet it is about 5 - 6 years old. WIth whom do we compete? Do we want to enter a market where we will never be more than a niche player? Do we start compromising the quality and proof of our product?

We will figure it out, however, it may take us a little time.

Ken

Ken Weber
05-05-2005, 16:47
You raise an interesting point. We will have to convince consumers of bourbon that we are different from many of the other players. We can't say we are better, because that is such a subjective call. We will have to do so at the grassroots level. It will be a long, slow education process.

Ken

pete_d
05-06-2005, 02:52
Well Ken, If you can get BT and any associated brands down under. I will definitely do my part to make the importing worthwhile.
I'd be quite happy to make it my daily pour below $50. At the moment Elijah Craig and EWSB get the daily guernsey.
In Australia there is a definite perception that bourbon is a cheap/inferior drink in the whiskey category. You'd do better appealing upmarket or trendy drinkers who have been leaning toward scotch (Johnny Walker Black and Glenlivet does very well around here.)

Have you spoken to any importers at this stage?

camduncan
05-08-2005, 15:44
Maybe (much as I hate to say it) the age of BT is 'the' selling point in our market? Most of our bourbons don't carry obvious age statements. Elijah Craig 12yo does, but as it is only available through the one retail chain, it isn't as well known.
An interesting question would be how well has Bulleit done at its price point of $45. It would also be iteresting to compare to Evan Williams SB and Elijah Craig.

Ken, out of interest, are you able to sound us out on potential market pricing? I guess Talica, Pete_D and I are slight exceptions to the normal bourbon market (our prescence here on the forum and our willingness to go out on a limb for a 'rare' purchase probably shows this?) I know I'd happily conduct a BT tasting at home with friends who are regular bourbon drinkers to see what they think and what sort of price they'd be willing to pay.

Ken Weber
05-09-2005, 11:14
I appreciate your input and am using it to formulate a position in the market. While we want to make money, we do not want to price ourselves out of the market. Our pricing philosophy in the U.S. has been to deliver high quality at an affordable price. We will try to maintain that down under, however, the tax structures are killing us. I will let you know what we intend to do as soon as we map this thing out.

Ken

camduncan
07-03-2005, 20:04
Found and sampled on the weekend - Fighting Cock & Cola cans http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif
An interesting find considering Fighting Cock isn't available in bottles anywhere in the country at the moment(that I am aware of.)

Tallica
07-03-2005, 20:24
Cam I have often seen Fighting Cock on the shelves IN S.A.
Another new so called bourbon, bulk shipped & bottled Down Under is SLate, imported by Diageo from Slate distilling company in Chicago?
This one comes in at the usual low proof of 74.
I believe its aimed at the first call market ie. bourbon & coke in bars.

camduncan
07-03-2005, 20:36
I have often seen Fighting Cock on the shelves IN S.A.


That's interesting... Is it sold by Theos?
I was told by Heaven Hill NZ that it was sold exclusively through Theos, but because we don't have them in Queensland i've never been able to verify it.
Maybe it's time for a drive to New South Wales http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

CrispyCritter
07-03-2005, 20:50
...Slate, imported by Diageo from Slate distilling company in Chicago?
This one comes in at the usual low proof of 74.



Odd - I've never heard of it, and I live near Chicago. Google is no help, either. At 74 proof, it isn't even legally whiskey.

TNbourbon
07-03-2005, 21:30
It can't be called 'bourbon' in the U.S. and any signatories of trade agreements with the U.S. at 74 proof, but any country that doesn't have such an agreement with us can allow anything they want to be called 'bourbon'.
It ain't, of course.

pete_d
07-04-2005, 02:40
sold by Theo's you say?

I might check it out tomorrow if I get a chance. I haven't seen the stuff for about 2 years. I wouldn'd mind trying a higher-proof HH product, since I adore EC12 so much.

camduncan
07-04-2005, 05:16
I don't know what agreements we do or don't have with the US....but we have a few different bourbons I can think of at under 40% - usually 37% - Jim Beam White label, Jim Beam Rye, Beams Choice, Cougar Bourbon, Old Crow to name the ones I can think of http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
As I understand it, they are all bottled Downunder and as such don't have to be 40%

Tallica
07-04-2005, 05:19
Never been to a Theos. none in S.A. as far as I know.
To be honest I have not taken much notice where I have seen it, as I do not have much interest in the numerous low proof Bourbons! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif that are bulk shipped & bottled here.
Will let you know next time I run across one, but I think I have seen them at BWS( Beer, Wine & Spirits)

Tallica
07-04-2005, 05:22
Odd - I've never heard of it, and I live near Chicago. Google is no help, either. At 74 proof, it isn't even legally whiskey.

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Totally agree that's why these bulk shipped products have little interset to me.

camduncan
07-04-2005, 13:38
I do not have much interest in the numerous low proof Bourbons! that are bulk shipped & bottled here.




Umm, I'm pretty sure it's like all other Heaven Hill products imported from the USA (eg Elijah Craig, Evan Williams SB etc) - it's definately bottled in the USA and shipped here. I'm not sure what you'd call low proof, but at 103 proof it's certainly strong enough for me http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/skep.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tallica
07-04-2005, 21:28
Thanks for setting me straight on that one, will check it out closer next time

camduncan
07-05-2005, 18:00
Thanks for setting me straight on that one, will check it out closer next time



No Problem - it might be another good drop for the collection http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

camduncan
07-21-2005, 15:57
It looks like the Van Winkle's available Downunder are almost sold out - the retailer is down to about 6 of each bottle (12yo, 15yo & 20yo) http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Thankfully I've got 2 bottles of each of the 12yo & 15yo on hold http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif (at least, I hope they're still on hold http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)

I like these bourbons so much, I've almost spent a weeks pay on the 4 bottles http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif (Is it obsession, or dedication http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

camduncan
10-10-2005, 18:05
A small addition to our market -
A.H.Hirsch 16 Y.O. Reserve Bourbon Whiskey (700ml) has just become available in Australia through Vintage Direct (Nicks Wines)
http://www.nicks.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=474826
I spoke to them yesterday and they intend to keep this as regular stock for as long as they can source it.
I'm still trying to determine if this is an exlusive arangement or if it will be more widely available...

TNbourbon
10-10-2005, 19:49
...I'm still trying to determine if this is an exlusive arangement or if it will be more widely available...



I'm afraid it's never going to be more widely available if it's authentic A.H. Hirsch, distilled by Michter's in Pennsylvania. The distillery hasn't existed for more than a decade except as an empty shell, and the last of the bourbon from its distillate was bottled in September 2003. It's not even very widely available in the U.S.

camduncan
11-14-2005, 17:41
I'm placing an order for a bottle in the next week or 2, so will report back on my findings then....

camduncan
01-27-2006, 17:08
Update:
Well, I haven't quite gotten around to affording or ordering that bottle :(

I wonder if Troy can add anything to this thread next time he's online?

ProofPositive
01-27-2006, 23:49
Update:
Well, I haven't quite gotten around to affording or ordering that bottle :(

I wonder if Troy can add anything to this thread next time he's online?

If I were in a state where I could order it, I sure would do so. But here in Tennessee, we cannot do that and I have no plans to become a felon. I doubt there will ever be a bottle crossing my path. Well, I just missed one last week and probably won't have that chance again. Something to dream about at night anyway!

Gillman
02-07-2006, 08:31
On Wild Turkey's website the products are described under the various markets and of course they differ in availability depending on the market. Under Australia, amongst the range available there two bottles are shown, Wild Turkey & Coke and Wild Turkey & Dry. The site says the latter is a mixture of Wild Turkey and "dry" and does not say what the dry is. Cam, I thought you would know, is this ginger ale? What do you think of these products, are they different from Wild Turkey and the soft drinks mixed on the spot? It is interesting that pre-mixed cocktails have a reasonable-size (evidently) market in the Antipodes. I wonder why that is since soft drinks are of course widely available there as anywhere (almost). Could it be that since the national preference in spirits at least historically was for scotch whiskies and rum, it was not initially understood that bourbon mixed well with soft drinks and introducing a pre-mixed version familiarised people with the concept and then became established? Or maybe it's that people there do more entertaining outdoors than in North America (e.g., poolside, beach, etc.) and the pre-mixed cocktail is convenient for that purpose. I am always intrigued when I see something that evidently makes sense for one market but is absent from another which seems on the surface anyway quite similar...

Hedmans Brorsa
02-07-2006, 10:07
Gary,

I´ve seen these pre-mixed things in Germany, as well. Even with Jim Beam Black, if I remember correctly.

camduncan
02-07-2006, 14:57
On Wild Turkey's website the products are described under the various markets and of course they differ in availability depending on the market. Under Australia, amongst the range available there two bottles are shown, Wild Turkey & Coke and Wild Turkey & Dry. The site says the latter is a mixture of Wild Turkey and "dry" and does not say what the dry is. Cam, I thought you would know, is this ginger ale? What do you think of these products, are they different from Wild Turkey and the soft drinks mixed on the spot? It is interesting that pre-mixed cocktails have a reasonable-size (evidently) market in the Antipodes. I wonder why that is since soft drinks are of course widely available there as anywhere (almost). Could it be that since the national preference in spirits at least historically was for scotch whiskies and rum, it was not initially understood that bourbon mixed well with soft drinks and introducing a pre-mixed version familiarised people with the concept and then became established? Or maybe it's that people there do more entertaining outdoors than in North America (e.g., poolside, beach, etc.) and the pre-mixed cocktail is convenient for that purpose. I am always intrigued when I see something that evidently makes sense for one market but is absent from another which seems on the surface anyway quite similar...

You are definately correct - WT & Dry is Wild Turkey mixed with Dry Ginger.
I find the pre-mix drinks different to ones I mix myself. It's mostly due to the fact they are mixed with what we call post-mix softdrink. I'm not sure if you have post-mix in the US or call it another name... It's basically the mixture of carbonated water and syrup to make a softdrink and is usually the 'on tap' version that pubs and clubs use.
To me post-mix is sweeter and tastes nothing like the softdrink that I buy in the can.
I must admit, I'm a big fan of pre-mix Jim Beam White label and cola bottles. They come in one size - 375ml and contain (by Australian standards) 1.5 standard drinks. Whilst I prefer bourbon neat or on the rocks at home or at a bar, the pre-mix is a great and convenient way of taking drinks to a bbq or party, with the added bonus that, if I intend to drive, I know exactly how many drinks I've had.

Gillman
02-07-2006, 15:01
Thanks Cam. That's interesting about pre-mix. I wonder if that is what are called fountain drinks in North America. I am not sure that exists still anywhere, maybe in New York City, or in some small town Woolworth's counters (if they still exist!).

Gary

BarItemsPlus1
02-09-2006, 15:05
G'day SB'ers, how are u all? :grin:
Been very busy lately...just a little tip to all the bourbon lovers out there - keep those eyes wide open:bigeyes: as I am hoping to bring you all a new product very soon!! Well not actually my product as per say but from a very reputable company. Can't reveal too much but I will keep you all updated as much as I can.

Regards the Hirsch....I am wanting to bring in a few cases of this but I am obviously restricted slightly as I don't want to sit on it for too long so Cam if you or any other Aussies want to place a pre-order I can get this in a lot quicker(and cheaper:woohoo: )
Also guys if there are any other RARE bottlings that you are looking for just drop us a line and I will see what I can do.

Cheers All!!:grin:

camduncan
02-26-2006, 15:08
Well, some good news finally for our market....
It looks like Buffalo Trace bourbon is being sold on our shores in limited quantities :woohoo:
Nicks Vintage Cellars have listed this at $79.95 per bottle.
They've also recently listed Blantons Silver as well.

I don't think this is the Buffalo Trace Distilery release into our market Ken was talking about last year. I think it likely they've sourced a few cases from another wholesaler?

camduncan
04-10-2006, 22:10
Update:
Nicks Wines seem to have found some stock of Virginia Gentleman...
Retail is $59.95


On a trivial note, I was down in NSW last month and found 750ml bottles of Jim Beam and Cola RTD's - they aren't available in QLD as far as I know, and I'm not sure about other states.....:skep:

leigh_munro
05-26-2006, 00:10
Keep the fine Bourbon leads coming guys!

leigh_munro
05-26-2006, 01:06
Some updated info on Downunder availability...

Knob Creek is definately disapearing from our shelves. It's been replaced by the "Jim Beam Small Batch with Port added" line.
I've noticed a few retailers bumping the price of their remaining KC stocks - shops that used to sell it for $55 are now marking it at up to $80 per bottle (on par with their Bookers retail price)

The Old Rip Van Winkle 12yo (Lot B?) and Pappy 15yo did make it to the Australian retailer. It's selling for $110 & $140 respectively. Stocks are definately limited, and well worth the price :bowdown:

The sad news is they can't get any more ORVW 13yo Rye. The retailer advised it isn't being made any more (which I'm sure is incorrect - I thought Ken or Julian posted that the stock was just being spread exteremely thin to enter new US markets at the moment?)

Elijah Craig 18yo is still absent from our shelves despite the Heaven Hill New Zealand Distributor saying we'd see it in Australia very early in 2005. Of course the Elijah Craig 12yo and Evan Williams 94 Single Barrel are still in plentiful supply, and at $49 & $45 respectively, they represent probably the best bourbon bargains currently available in mass supplies Downunder (in my opinion http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

The best news of all is that Blantons seems to have found a national retailer :woohoo: The bad news is that they don't seem to be actively pushing it into the market as yet. I'll post more after I speak to the distributor again next week.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Knob-Creek-Bourbon-Jim-Beam-Small-Batch-Bourbon-Limited_W0QQitemZ4464069777QQcategoryZ6099QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem
$150 Starting bid for knob creek is a bit steep wouldnt you think?

camduncan
05-26-2006, 01:23
Firstly Leigh, welcome !!
It's great to see another Brisbane person on the list.
(I think I've been flying the Qld flag solo now for around 2 years)

I caught sight of that auction or one similar earlier this week.
It's a bit beyond what I'd pay for Knob Creek - double really.
(Personally, I'd prefer to get a bottle of Stagg or Sazerac imported from the US for that price)
Then again, it's getting pretty rare, and if you really like it, what price is it worth if you can't find it elsewhere?

leigh_munro
05-26-2006, 01:37
How do you get Stagg at that price, I just paid $300 for a bottle from the UK.

camduncan
05-26-2006, 01:50
How do you get Stagg at that price, I just paid $300 for a bottle from the UK.

I shipped it from Binnys (www.binnys.com (http://www.binnys.com)) when they had it.
It cost around US $50 for the bottle and US $75 to ship (I shipped two bottles) The rest of the cost was customs and tax charges.

Definately cheaper to ship from the US compared to the UK with American Whiskey...

leigh_munro
05-26-2006, 02:00
Perfect, any more links like this? I looked and looked and couldnt find any web site in the US who would ship internationally.

camduncan
05-26-2006, 02:12
Perfect, any more links like this? I looked and looked and couldnt find any web site in the US who would ship internationally.

Some will if you contact them and ask.
Generally, I've found Binnys to be the biggest and best to deal with.

BarItemsPlus1
05-29-2006, 04:31
To any Australians here....
If you are looking for bourbons that are not generally available in Oz, please feel free to either PM me or contact me directly. I am more than happy to provide assistance on getting these bottles.

leigh_munro
06-09-2006, 03:04
Just revieved a package today from Binnys in the US.

Eagle rare 17yo
W L Weller Cask Strengh
Elijah Craig 18yo

$140us + $95 shipping.

For those interested i was not charged any customs/duty fees so ended up costing about $300au for the 3 bottles delivered.

John from binnys was great to deal with and will definatly be purchasing some more at a later date.

leigh.

BarItemsPlus1
06-09-2006, 04:14
All these will hopefully be available very shortly from Australian retailers.
Definately EC18yr old!!

Most products previously unavailable from Heaven Hill will soon hit our shores, keep your eyes out for them.....

camduncan
06-09-2006, 15:56
All these will hopefully be available very shortly from Australian retailers.
Definately EC18yr old!!

Most products previously unavailable from Heaven Hill will soon hit our shores, keep your eyes out for them.....

Troy, make sure you let us know what products are available and when and where to find them :cool: Personally, I've got several of their products on my list to try....

BarItemsPlus1
06-09-2006, 16:18
make sure you let us know what products are available and when and where to find them
Absolutely!!:grin:

I wish I could provide a better indication of time...I hope that it won't be too much longer!!

I can advise that most of the newer products will show up in specialty liquor stores. There will also be a number of new products available through exclusive bars and lounges.
The East Coast will be the first to see most of the newer available products, i.e. Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane.

camduncan
06-09-2006, 17:13
Hmmm, does Brisbane have any 'specialty stores'?
I suppose it does, they're just not well known if they're there.


What we really need (in all 3 capital cities) is shops like Royal Mile Whiskies in the UK :cool:

BarItemsPlus1
06-09-2006, 17:34
Well if Brissy doesn't have any specialty stores I'm sure that they will soon!:cool:

I do know someone who has plans to have a 'chain' of lounges up the East Coast. I believe they will be a whisky/cigar style venue with a retail outlet attached/incorporated - And they plan to have the largest selection of WHISKIES(Not just Scotch but Bourbon, American whiskey:grin: and many other blends and single malts!!) available in the Southern Hemishpere. Or at least that's what I have heard....:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :grin: :rolleyes: :grin: :rolleyes:

leigh_munro
07-10-2006, 04:39
Reading another thread reminded me, i saw a bottle of Old Potrero rye whiskey in brisbane today for the first time. Not sure on the price but it was in the wine shop at the James street markets in the Valley. There was also another bottle of bourbon that ive never seend before but i can't remember what it was called.

This was also one of the only places in brisbane that i've seen the Reidel wine and spirit glasses available for sale.

leigh.

leigh_munro
07-10-2006, 04:45
Have placed another order for some bourbon from Binnys online shop.

The following should be arriving this week.

Elmer T. Lee Single barrel
Eagle Rare 10yr Old
Old Grand Dad 114
Old Pogue Master's Select


leigh.

camduncan
07-10-2006, 16:06
Reading another thread reminded me, i saw a bottle of Old Potrero rye whiskey in brisbane today for the first time. Not sure on the price but it was in the wine shop at the James street markets in the Valley. There was also another bottle of bourbon that ive never seend before but i can't remember what it was called.

This was also one of the only places in brisbane that i've seen the Reidel wine and spirit glasses available for sale.

leigh.

I think I'll be going for a drive to James Street this afternoon :D

(I wonder if this product turning up is a result of all of Troy's hard work to get more whiskey brands into Australia???)

camduncan
07-10-2006, 16:08
Have placed another order for some bourbon from Binnys online shop.

The following should be arriving this week.

Elmer T. Lee Single barrel
Eagle Rare 10yr Old
Old Grand Dad 114
Old Pogue Master's Select


leigh.


Leigh, let me know what you think of the Elmer T Lee....
I've always wanted to try it :D

leigh_munro
07-10-2006, 16:18
After a bit of searching i found these guys (http://southtradeint.com.au/) to be the australian importers / distributors...

leigh_munro
07-12-2006, 04:26
Found a couple last weekend but if you know of any others can you guys let us know if you see any old 1994 bottle's of EWSB in the brisbane / goldcoast area!!!

Leigh.

camduncan
07-12-2006, 06:05
Found a couple last weekend but if you know of any others can you guys let us know if you see any old 1994 bottle's of EWSB in the brisbane / goldcoast area!!!

Leigh.


The only way I can think that you may be able to track a '94 locally would be to ring every Vintage Cellars and Liquorland in the Brisbane phone book.....:skep:

leigh_munro
07-18-2006, 03:05
FedEx has been !!!

http://leighmunro.com/bourbon.JPG

camduncan
07-18-2006, 18:08
FedEx has been !!!

Very impressive Leigh.....when't the tasting happening :grin: :slappin:

leigh_munro
07-22-2006, 00:36
All these will hopefully be available very shortly from Australian retailers.
Definately EC18yr old!!

Most products previously unavailable from Heaven Hill will soon hit our shores, keep your eyes out for them.....

Troy have you got any other information you want to share requarding the availablity of these products in australia? It can't happen soon enough.

leigh.

camduncan
07-22-2006, 01:14
Leigh, did you happen to pick up a 95 EWSB yet?

BarItemsPlus1
07-22-2006, 01:27
Hi guys...



Troy have you got any other information you want to share requarding the availablity of these products in australia

Leigh yourself and Cameron will be the first I notify when there is news. I will contact you both directly, not through here.
I can say that most products from KBD are a definate to hit our shores!

Now I don't wish to solicit any commercial aspects here...but if any one is interested in Glencairn glasses, please contact me directly.
There are 2 designs the one pictured is the 'Traditional' design, still working on the 'Modern' design.

camduncan
07-22-2006, 02:18
Leigh, I was in at James St Markets today and saw the Rye Whiskies.....
Did you happen to notice they had a Canadian Rye - "Pikes something"?

leigh_munro
07-22-2006, 08:45
Leigh, did you happen to pick up a 95 EWSB yet?
I've had no problems finding the 95 but have noticed that most stores have been out or low in stock lately.... the 94 is what i was after. I did found 2 bottles of the 94 at a store a couple of weeks ago, this is what prompted me to ask if anyone else knew where to find more as i assumed it would be all gone.

The 95 is my everyday pour and i'm going to have to stock up if they start becomming scarse, no sign of the 96 yet though.

leigh.

leigh_munro
07-22-2006, 08:46
Leigh, I was in at James St Markets today and saw the Rye Whiskies.....
Did you happen to notice they had a Canadian Rye - "Pikes something"?

Yeah i did see it i just couldnt remember what it was when i posted.

Did you end up getting the old portero?

leigh.

leigh_munro
07-22-2006, 08:47
i saw another new (to me) bourbon today, Twin Chiefs!

any one know anything about this, it is bottled in au and on $23 so can't be to special.

leigh.

camduncan
07-22-2006, 15:10
That's definately a new one to me:skep:
My guess is someone is buying bulk bourbon (Heaven Hill?) in barrels and bottling it under their own brand here in Oz.

BarItemsPlus1
07-22-2006, 16:12
Gentleman if it says it has been bottled in Oz it's NOT Bourbon!!

There are a few bottlers in Oz that purchase bulk from ths US and then bottle it here...
Unfortunately as the US have not protected 'Bourbon' on the worldwide market any product sold outside the US is legally allowed to be labelled as a Bourbon.
Have you ever seen a Scotch from anywhere other than Scotland??
Unfortunately you will find American Whiskey on many worldwide markets labelled as 'Bourbon'.

camduncan
07-22-2006, 16:40
Gentleman if it says it has been bottled in Oz it's NOT Bourbon!!


Whilst I don't disagree with your statement, I don't necessarily agree either. I don't recall ever reading that - i'd basically have to say "Prove it" (in a nice way of course :grin: )

Also that makes out markets biggest seller, and the only nationally recognised bourbon a "non-bourbon"!
Jim Beam White label is shipped in barrels and bottled in Australia.

Also, if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_whiskey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon_whiskey) - it mentions nothing of having to be bottled in the USA (that I could see - I only skim read it)

BarItemsPlus1
07-22-2006, 16:51
"Prove it" (in a nice way of course :grin: )


Cam my apologies...the place where the whiskey is bottled may not indeed come into effect...
Here is what the US law states(even though this may have been stated mant times here before)
Contain natural grains of which at least 51% must be corn
Be distilled at less than 160 proof, or 80% alcohol
Be aged in charred, new oak barrels
Be aged at least 2 years to become a “straight” Bourbon whiskey
The spirit must go into the barrel at no more than 125 proof
Nothing can be done to alter the flavor or color in any way, from the time it is distilled through bottling. Only water can be added to adjust to barrel and bottling strengths.

Doesn't actually say anything about where it has to be bottled, so again I do stand corrected.

BarItemsPlus1
07-22-2006, 18:33
Ok here are a few things I have just researched....



Unfortunately as the US have not protected 'Bourbon' on the worldwide market any product sold outside the US is legally allowed to be labelled as a Bourbon....
I need to rectify this statement....
The US has certain trade agreements in place with particular countries...for example - The US has a current agreement(Free Trade Agreement) with Australia in that any product sold here in Oz claiming to be 'Bourbon' must meet the US laws pertaining to the legal classification of Bourbon. This takes us back to an earlier discussion on 'Early Times Bourbon'...as this is sold in Oz at 37.1% Alc/Vol, under current FTA's this is NOT Bourbon - it has been bottled at less than 80 Proof(40% Alc/Vol).
In fact even under US law it's not Bourbon and it was bottled in Kentucky...???

I have also discovered that the US is working with the WTO to protect 'Bourbon' on all international markets aswell as 'Tennesee' Whiskey.

There is quite a lot happening at the moment in all international markets regarding their legalities on certain products and I would assume that this has come about due to the current issues with an Indian distiller. This indian distiller is really screwing with the industry!! First he is selling his 'Rum' as a whisky and is also trying to call it a Scotch.

At least he won't be able to sell it here!!(In Oz) and I don't think he would be able to sell it in the US either...again due to WTO and FTA's in place in both our countries.

leigh_munro
07-26-2006, 15:58
Just noticed that Nick.com.au have both of the Old Potrero Rye's Available on their website now. The single Malt (https://www.nicks.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=476359) and the 18th Century style (https://www.nicks.com.au/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=476360)

leigh_munro
08-16-2006, 05:54
There have been a lot of radio adds in the past week for McKenna bourbon (http://www.mckennabourbon.com/). Do you guys know who is stocking this? Is this the same thing as the Henry Mckenna bourbon available in the states. It looks like they have both a RTD and a 700ml bottle and QLD is first to try this new product. Troy does this have something to do with what you've been hinting about heaven hill and more of their products being available in aus soon.


stuff from google


***

Secret whiskey debut
MOVE over Jim Beam, there's a new bourbon in town. McKenna Bourbon, which markets itself as a higher class of whiskey, will be launched at a still-secret venue in Fortitude Valley on August 10. The urban bourbon is making its debut in Australia with a launch party featuring sets by Paul Mac and DJ Cat Kid, poker tournaments, body painting, street performers and ice carving. How do you get a ticket? "McKenna Girls" will be giving out tickets on red carpets rolled out across the streets of Brisbane.


****


The nation's second-largest beverage company, which plans to begin selling the bourbon next month in Queensland, bought the rights to the bourbon from Japanese brewer Kirin.

leigh_munro
08-16-2006, 06:27
I see Nicks (http://www.nicks.com.au) now also have Four Roses Bourbon @ $69.99 and some 2005 Stagg for the oh so low price of $399.00

leigh.

Rughi
08-16-2006, 09:33
The nation's second-largest beverage company, which plans to begin selling the bourbon next month in Queensland, bought the rights to the bourbon from Japanese brewer Kirin.

Does anyone know if this is Heaven Hill whiskey? Four Roses whiskey? Neither?

If memory serves, the McKenna jugs during some time periods were for foreign markets and made at Four Roses (which I believe is owned by Kirin), while the domestic product was Heaven Hill.

Roger

camduncan
08-16-2006, 17:06
There have been a lot of radio adds in the past week for McKenna bourbon (http://www.mckennabourbon.com/). Do you guys know who is stocking this? Is this the same thing as the Henry Mckenna bourbon available in the states. It looks like they have both a RTD and a 700ml bottle and QLD is first to try this new product. Troy does this have something to do with what you've been hinting about heaven hill and more of their products being available in aus soon.


stuff from google


***



Secret whiskey debut
MOVE over Jim Beam, there's a new bourbon in town. McKenna Bourbon, which markets itself as a higher class of whiskey, will be launched at a still-secret venue in Fortitude Valley on August 10. The urban bourbon is making its debut in Australia with a launch party featuring sets by Paul Mac and DJ Cat Kid, poker tournaments, body painting, street performers and ice carving. How do you get a ticket? "McKenna Girls" will be giving out tickets on red carpets rolled out across the streets of Brisbane.


****


The nation's second-largest beverage company, which plans to begin selling the bourbon next month in Queensland, bought the rights to the bourbon from Japanese brewer Kirin.


Leigh, I've got no idea about this either. I've not heard the radio adds, so am even more in the dark than you.
Troy did hint that there'd be something happening in Brisbane soon, but this may or may not be it... Troy?
Regardless, I'm really ticked I didn't know about the launch - I was even in the Valley having dinner on the 10th :cry:
I'd be very keen to get a bottle - hopefully it won't be as rediculously priced as the Old Potrero :skep:

HighTower
09-07-2006, 05:20
I find it strange that a company as big as Lion Nathan would launch a product in Brisbane only....when they obviously want to spend a bunch on advertising and try and convert Beam drinkers.... I was talking to my Tooheys rep the other day and he's unsure of when it will be more widespread......I think it will do well

camduncan
09-07-2006, 05:27
I guess they did their homework :skep:
Maybe we have a high percentage of bourbon drinkers per capita or something :crazy:
Hopefully I'll pick a bottle up this weekend to take to the in-laws for next week...

HighTower
09-07-2006, 05:31
I think it's supposed to be around the $40 mark...not positive on that though.

leigh_munro
09-07-2006, 05:42
I think it's supposed to be around the $40 mark...not positive on that though.

I Paid $50

HighTower
09-07-2006, 15:10
What bourbon would you compare it to Leigh??

HighTower
09-09-2006, 22:23
Leigh....I called a few stores on Friday with no cigar....even found they have 96 vintage in our Sydney wharehouse as Toormina near Coffs Harbour had these on their shelves. I have a couple of my bosses going to down to armidale etc next week,I think there could be a good strike rate down there.... so if they find any I'll get them to bring them back with them. I'd say it wont be long before we have the 96 in our Brisbane DC...infact I will call them tomorrow and see if they can go and have a look for me. I will at least start stockpiling the 95 Vintage and try and make it last.

Scott

HighTower
09-10-2006, 02:36
Cam,

I noticed in another thread you mentioned you pay AU$120 for Van Winkle 12 year. Do you bring this in yourself or do you know or a retailer in Oz that has it? I am keen to get my hands on some.
I recently discovered Nicks...as was lucky enough to get their last Blantons Silver...disappointed to see they are now out of Buffalo Trace, one that I have been wanting to try for some time. I am also looking for Stagg, but there's no way I'll pay AU$399 for it! I payed just over that for the 4 Blanton's bottles...not bad value there IMO.
Thanks

Scott

leigh_munro
09-10-2006, 02:57
Cam,
I am also looking for Stagg, but there's no way I'll pay AU$399 for it! I payed just over that for the 4 Blanton's bottles...not bad value there IMO.
Thanks
Scott
The first bottle of stagg i purchased cost me $300, i had my sister pick it up from a shop when she was in london. Last week i recieved another bottle that i purchased off ebay in the US, this cost me just under $150 landed in Australia.

There is another bottle on there at the moment for $83.95US and $44US postage. This will be a little more than the last one i purchased but half of Nicks prices...LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/George-T-Stagg-Bourbon-LOT-B-131-8-Whiskey-scotch_W0QQitemZ330026979440QQihZ014QQcategoryZ139 16QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Of all the bottles i have purchased i have not once payed any duty/customs fees getting them into the country, whats the go with that?

I had not seen any for ages then found a bottle of the 94 EWSB about a month ago, will not open this one for a while. I also have been very tempted to buy a case of the 95 before it starts to be replaced with the 96. Can you do any special pricing on case buys?

Also Four Roses, is that available down your way? single barrel?

leigh.

HighTower
09-10-2006, 04:07
Did you get the stagg from rare-breed? I've seen that guy selling a few recently, going for decent prices. I was going to get a few bottles from eclipse086, but I am sort of re-evaluating things after knowing Binnys ship to Oz, so many I want to try :)
Of all the bottles I have had imported, I have only once been charged duty. It was for 6 bottles of Jack Daniels scenes from lynchburg that I was selling for a friend in Florida recently...I have a feeling it was because I had them sent to work...I guess they figured they were being sold retail and I should pay duty. I got a Crown Royal XR the other day, had it sent to my house to my wife's maiden name incase maybe my name was flagged at customs :)
I've also been told by someone I know that works at customs that if "Happy Birthday" is written on the box they will not charge duty. I have also recently tested this theory :)

I will have a look at what I can do a case of the 95 for and get back to you.

As far as Four Roses is concerned....the only place I have seen it is online at nicks, and that wasn't the single barrel......have you seen it somewhere??

Scott

leigh_munro
09-10-2006, 04:20
Did you get the stagg from rare-breed? I've seen that guy selling a few recently, going for decent prices.

As far as Four Roses is concerned....the only place I have seen it is online at nicks, and that wasn't the single barrel......have you seen it somewhere??

Scott

Yep it was rare-breed.

Nope, never seen Four Roses up this way, just saw you mention it in another thread.

leigh

HighTower
09-10-2006, 04:45
Yeah that was in reference to nicks....until yesterday they had some Four Roses listed on their website for 70 bucks...seems it's all gone!
There goes that idea.....
I might have to save my pennies and go for the Hirsch 16yo...
When I got my Blanton's the Gold had leaked a bit. Adam at Nicks was kind enough to offer me another bottle at a discounted rate, so I'm going to take him up on the offer and drink the other bottle (how unfortunate) :cool: Can't wait to try it.

HighTower
09-11-2006, 03:31
Leigh,

I've called a number of stores searching for the 1994 EWSB...still no cigar...I have other people looking and hopefully they will sumble across some. I called our Brisbane wharehouse today and they went and checked the stock they have left....they had 84 bottles left and it was all 1995 vintage. I have ordered 3 cases, and will Order more later in the week. I imagine when these stocks are gone we will have the 1996 vintage...only time will tell.....the best I could probably do on a case is wait until it's on special....and then you'll get it for about $38 a bottle...I'll keep you posted

leigh_munro
09-11-2006, 04:41
Leigh,

I've called a number of stores searching for the 1994 EWSB...still no cigar...I have other people looking and hopefully they will sumble across some. I called our Brisbane wharehouse today and they went and checked the stock they have left....they had 84 bottles left and it was all 1995 vintage. I have ordered 3 cases, and will Order more later in the week. I imagine when these stocks are gone we will have the 1996 vintage...only time will tell.....the best I could probably do on a case is wait until it's on special....and then you'll get it for about $38 a bottle...I'll keep you posted

$38 a bottle is worth the trip down, especially when work is paying for the fuel.

leigh.

HighTower
09-11-2006, 05:55
I don't know if you're a fan....but at the right time I can also do Elijah Craig 12yo for about $35......it's probably my favourite bourbon that is readily available in Oz, and at that price, it's sure hard to beat.

BarItemsPlus1
09-11-2006, 14:39
G'day there fellow Aussies...

I see that you are all looking for the stuff we don't have here...may I suggest that you contact myself and I will help you out.
All you have to do is ask...

pete_d
09-18-2006, 05:01
another quick lead for those who have the guts/finances to import from beyond the continental limits, I emailed Heaven Hill NZ and was advised that one of their stockists of HH bottles ships internationally. It looks like they have decent prices, and can freight by sea on request. so it'd fit anyone on a budget quite well.

Bottlings of note that i picked up were the Benheim Wheater, Old Fitz Heritage 12yo, Old Granddad 114, Rittenhouse Rye, Wild Turkey Rye and EC18.

Just FYI...

Pete D

pete_d
09-18-2006, 16:33
of course the link would probably help.

http://www.regionalwines.co.nz/

PD

pete_d
09-18-2006, 23:02
Some other good news is that i dropped past a Vintage Cellars today in Sydney and saw a brand-spanking new series of WT Russell's Reserve. I was told this will now be a general release item in AUS.

The same store had bottles of the Isle of Jura 12 and Superstition as well, so it looks as though the lines are slowly being opened up.

Pete D

HighTower
09-19-2006, 01:28
Interesting Pete, did you happen to see the price on the RR? And by new series I assume you mean the 90 proof bottles? (Same shape as the Freedom bottle which is my avatar....)

Scott

HighTower
09-19-2006, 05:11
very interesting indeed.....as I work for "the company"....I did a bit of digging. It seems we received stock of Wild Turkey Russell's Reserve 101 just last week....that's right 101 proof bottles. They're selling for $74, which aint half bad, when you consider the 8yr 101 sells for about $55. I'm going to try to order it in:grin: ...don't know if that will work though...

pete_d
09-19-2006, 08:16
you are correct that they are the 101 bottles available now. It softens the blow that we can't get Kentucky Spirit down here. At least we get the good RR bottling.

If i didn't buy a new bottle of RB last week, i would have jumped at the chance. Having said that, Dan Murphy's does rare breed for just a trifle over $60. So RR better be worth it at lower proof.

PD

HighTower
09-19-2006, 14:54
Yeah I hear what you're saying......seems harsh to pay 15 bucks more for RR when rare breed is that price.....it's funny the last 2 times Jimmy Russell has come out here....when they do the industry nights they always have a lucky door prize of a bottle of Russell's Reserve (a nice one in a wooden presentation box) that I've never been able to convince the winner to sell to me:smiley_acbt: Now that we have it here I won't have to drool over the 3 bottles I have in the cupboard! I had some in 2004....they asked the guy who won it if they could have it back and send him another, as they ran out of rare breed (which Jimmy wasn't too happy about) so they cracked the Russells Reserve. I had been drinking rare breed prior to that so probably not the best time to taste it, but I wasn't going to pass on the oportunity!
Maybe all the pestering Jimmy to bring it to Oz worked :lol:
It's been 2 years....I was hoping he would be out here again soon, and maybe bring Eddie with him....here's hoping!
Scott

camduncan
09-19-2006, 16:13
WOW!!! I'm not a big Wild Turkey fan, but I'd really like to pick one of these up... Hopefully they'll make it to some Brisbane stores.:skep:

I was having a look through our bar last night.... It looks like I bunkered 2 bottles of 94 EWSB last year :confused: If we all get together one day for an Aussie Bourbon Event, I'd be more than happy to put a bottle on the table...

Also, I saw the 96 bottles when I was in Taree NSW last week.... so it looks like I need to stock up on a couple of 95 bottles before they disapear.

pete_d
09-19-2006, 17:44
agreed. Cam. The 94 EWSB was an absolute pearler. 95 less so; so much so that based on reports and the change from 94 to 95, i doubt i'd pick up the 96.

I'm curious as to whether the importer of the EC and EW will decide to get the good stuff in - Rittenhouse BIB, Henry McKenna BIB, Old Fitz Heritage and EC18. Just imagine it, they could pass it off down under as their own 'small batch' range - the Rye, the Spice, the Wheater, and the Supe-Aged.

camduncan
09-19-2006, 18:04
I'm curious as to whether the importer of the EC and EW will decide to get the good stuff in - Rittenhouse BIB, Henry McKenna BIB, Old Fitz Heritage and EC18. Just imagine it, they could pass it off down under as their own 'small batch' range - the Rye, the Spice, the Wheater, and the Supe-Aged.

Sadly, from the information I've been given when I contacted them earlier in the year, not at this stage... I hope they prove me wrong though...

pete_d
09-19-2006, 19:26
very interesting indeed.....as I work for "the company"....I did a bit of digging. It seems we received stock of Wild Turkey Russell's Reserve 101 just last week....that's right 101 proof bottles. They're selling for $74, which aint half bad, when you consider the 8yr 101 sells for about $55. I'm going to try to order it in:grin: ...don't know if that will work though...

quick question Scott, what company are you referring to here?

PD

HighTower
09-19-2006, 22:09
Pete....I manage a Liquorland store, so they are in our Brisbane wharehouse....they also supply our Vintage Cellars Stores and also 1st Choice Liquor Super Stoes.

Cam - the Sydney warehouse has all 1996 EWSB, last week we still had 80 bottles of the 95 in our Brisbane wharehouse, so I went ahead and got 24 bottles. We have them on special until sunday for $39.99. I am going to keep ordering it and bunkering the 95 vintage:grin: I still have a couple of healthy pours in my 1992 vintage...

I just did an order and tried to get Russell's Reserve, with no cigar...."product not on store range"....at this stage its only ranged for VC and 1st Choice....and they are available at both in Brisbane stores now Cam....1st choice were a little cheaper if you have one near you, they have them at $72.95...not much in it but it's better in your pocket than theirs :grin:
-And on the bourbon event....sounds good, maybe a few of us from the north can get together.....I have some RR101s and 90 proofs here ...
and I just got an email form Brett from Binny's....he said the Buffalo Trace Antique collection for 2006 comes out early October....including the new Thomas Handy 8yo Cask Strength Rye, might have to put my order in!!

Scott

pete_d
09-19-2006, 23:57
Good news about the Antique Collection being available for us to order. Having never ordered bottles from OS, could those who have comment on how much id expect to get fiscally reamed for shipping and any such taxes. How much more than the bottles would i expect to outlay?

camduncan
09-20-2006, 01:06
I think somewhere back in the various pages of this post I put some details of my experience importing an order of 1x 2004 Stagg and 1 x 2004 Sazerac from Binnys...
They had been listed at US $45 and US $50 plus shipping.
The final cost once I got them with shipping and customs duty etc was approx AU $170 each

HighTower
09-20-2006, 01:50
I'm going to order all 5....not sure what price the Thomas Handy 8yo or Saz 18 are, but the Stagg, WL Weller and Eagle Rare17 are US$49.99. The more bottles you get, the better the shipping will work out per bottle. I am hoping to get all 5 for about AU$500. I imagine postage will be about $35 per bottle for that quantity. If customs happen to intercept them, it works out to just under $25 per 750mL bottle for import duty and GST.

$500 seems alot, but when you consider Nicks are selling Stagg for $399........

Scott

OscarV
09-20-2006, 14:35
Scott

Hi Scott,

What is the significance of your "HighTower" screen name?

Oscar

HighTower
09-20-2006, 21:19
Oscar......it's a nickname, a lot of people call me High Tower......I'm 6'8" :grin: so yeah.....

Scott

OscarV
09-21-2006, 13:04
Hi Scott,

Friends of my daughter call her Hightower for 2 reasons.
1. She is 6ft tall
2. That is our name

Cheers,
Oscar Hightower

HighTower
09-21-2006, 14:18
Oscar,
it seems your daughter has more right to be called HighTower! For me it's just a police academy thing.....:grin: I even have customers come into work and call me HT....lol

JeffRenner
09-23-2006, 14:55
I'm 6'8" :grin: so yeah.....

I thought you all down under were metric! :lol:

Jeff (176 cm)

leigh_munro
09-29-2006, 23:28
It not bourbon but i saw this for the first time today at a bottle shop here in brisbane. 18 yr old Bundy Rum. It had a $500 price tag so i didnt purchase it but would like to know more about it if any one has any info. Apparently its a limited release of just over 5000 bottles. It's pretty instesting considering the regular bundy is only 2yrs old.
I stole this picture from ebay, they have a bottle currently at $310.00

http://www.leighmunro.com/bundy18.JPG

HighTower
09-30-2006, 03:22
Leigh,

Diageo released this about 6 months ago...only 5,142 bottles (857 cases) were released, and it was only distributed in QLD and Northern NSW. Some retailers started selling them straight away (the retail price was about $180 at most places) and a lot of others have held onto them and are hoping to do much the same as the store you saw it at.....sell them for $500. I was chasing a couple to resell on ebay, and a mate of mine got me 2 bottles $150 a piece, and drank them 2 Friday nights in a row watching the footy. He is still chasing more for me but dont know how he will fair up. If a get 2 and resell them, there's my Antique collection :)
What were they like?? I think to quote him, he said they were "f*#king great" - good tasting notes there......

Scott

pete_d
10-03-2006, 23:30
Hey Hightower, since you're a manager of a liquorland, would you have stock listings of what each liquor distributor would have in stock? Does Blue Hills liquor still carry Blanton's? If so, do they do any other BT-based bottlings?

oh, and is Jack Daniels Silver Select able to be ordered through the JD supplier (perhaps Maxxium)?

PD

HighTower
10-04-2006, 04:55
Pete,

Unfortunately due to the size of Liquorland, we have our our wharehouses from which we receive our stock, with the exception of maybe 20 products that get delivered directly from suppliers like DeBortoli, Southcorp and Samual Smith & Son. So unfortunately we do not have such lists.....I am hoping as our 1st Choice Liquor stores continue to grow they will look at increasing their bourbon range, maybe BT product could be an option....
As far as Silver Select is concerned, JD is distributed by Swift & Moore, and although we do not see a rep from S&M, I do know one and Silver Select is a duty free product only in Australia. If you're into Jack bottles, apparently the 1981 Gold Medal bottle is supposedly being released here in November, which I can't really believe as it isn't out in the states yet. Then there's the posibility of us getting the new Master Distiller series after that.....
I have friends who manage some independant liquor stores, so I will try and make some inquiries on BT product.

Scott

pete_d
10-04-2006, 05:26
thanks mate, i shall do the same. I got a Blanton's direct from Blue Hills last year and i'm almost out. If i can't find it anywhere, i'll ring em up direct again

PD

HighTower
10-04-2006, 06:30
thanks mate, i shall do the same. I got a Blanton's direct from Blue Hills last year and i'm almost out. If i can't find it anywhere, i'll ring em up direct again

PD

Pete,
My grandmothers partner called me earlier in the year as he was looking for a bottle of Blanton's for his brothers 70th Bday (their surname is Blanton) He said he had called the people that used to distribute it....and I think that it could be Blue Hills...he did tel me I just can't remember....and they told him they didn't distribute it anymore and wouldn't tell him who did. He was hoping I could find out. That's when I did an online search and found Vintage Direct. I got the original, special reserve, silver and gold Blanton's from them a couple of months ago...they still have them all except the silver. Gold is $120 SR is $85 and original is $100 www.nicks.com.au (http://www.nicks.com.au) they're in Melb, postage is $15 unless your order is over $200, then it's free. They also have A.H. Hirsch 16 for $120. Adam there was great to deal with.

Scott

camduncan
10-04-2006, 15:54
I too have had nothing but good service from Nicks (although I haven't ordered from them this year)

pete_d
10-04-2006, 16:19
very true. I have seen the Nicks prices. Of course i'd prefer to avoid interstate freight if possible

[and you all know the advantage of picking an item up from a supplier over a retailer]

i didn't say that!

pete_d
10-13-2006, 02:46
although not available in Australia, and therefore not really suitable for this thread, but...

i got a bottle of Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit from a mate returning from Japan. I couldn't resist opening it and taking a subtle pour. All i can say is that it's criminal that this isn't available in Australia. I've never tasted such a flavour-packed whisky. It packs both a spice and sweetness, with a bunch of fruit overtones that i find in the Rare Breed, and marries it to a pepper start and a caramelly finish. This is surely the centrepiece of my slowly expanding collection.

PD (picking himself up from the floor)

HighTower
10-13-2006, 07:16
I've got one myself Pete, but I haven't been as brave as you to open it until I can get more supply.....maybe now that we have Russell's Reserve this could be an indication of more Turkey products coming our way?

Scott

BarItemsPlus1
10-13-2006, 07:46
Drink it Scott!!!:drinking:

Pete you have described the KY Spirit very well indeed!! I have a pewter top bottle that I enjoy very much and with a top cigar - cuban of course!! :grin:

Scott unfortunately I don't think we will see any newer products any time soon...unless Pernod proves me wrong...(go on Pernod I dare you! :grin: )

pete_d
10-13-2006, 07:59
Drink it Scott!!!:drinking:

Pete you have described the KY Spirit very well indeed!! I have a pewter top bottle that I enjoy very much and with a top cigar - cuban of course!! :grin:

Scott unfortunately I don't think we will see any newer products any time soon...unless Pernod proves me wrong...(go on Pernod I dare you! :grin: )

Don't worry Troy, This is one that is guaranteed to be requested when I run out. This one is too good not to have...

BarItemsPlus1
10-13-2006, 08:19
Pete here is another WT I am going to get a few cases in if possible...

HighTower
10-13-2006, 15:19
Pernod Ricard are losing it......Wild Turkey have scrapped their little indy thing they've been doing,it was "costing them too much money"
Cmon tell me whats better than sitting in one of the penthouses at the Gold Coast International right on the Indy track drinking Turkey stubbies all day?? Not much comes to my mind. Maybe I drank too much last time:lol:

I just keep telling my rep they need to bring Jimmy Russell back out here, he keeps saying Jimmy's getting too old, bah humbug, all that rare breed is preserving him :lol: ...hopefully next year......

I'd at least like to see them make an effort to bring the rye back to Oz.

Scott

BarItemsPlus1
10-13-2006, 16:10
Seems Pernod are getting out of any relationship with motorsport...

Maybe they haven't seen the figures, both $$ and consumer, that Brown-Foreman are getting from their JD V8 Supercar that they have sponsored... I find it quite tacticle for JD to get invloved in motorsport - what better way to promote 'Non-Drink Driving' and responsible attitudes towards the consumption of liquor!!

I believe Diageo are also actively involved in promoting Safe and Responsible drinking practices, I have yet to see Pernod's involvement in this area...I mean to threaten the Centenary Council??
Stuff 'Em, let them leave!! With their current attitudes within the industry I would think that this will eventually hurt them....or at least I hope it does!!

Pernod are just another example of a company telling the consumer what they want, unfortunately this has been proven not to work!!

pete_d
10-13-2006, 16:17
Pernod Ricard are losing it......Wild Turkey have scrapped their little indy thing they've been doing,it was "costing them too much money"
Cmon tell me whats better than sitting in one of the penthouses at the Gold Coast International right on the Indy track drinking Turkey stubbies all day?? Not much comes to my mind. Maybe I drank too much last time:lol:

I just keep telling my rep they need to bring Jimmy Russell back out here, he keeps saying Jimmy's getting too old, bah humbug, all that rare breed is preserving him :lol: ...hopefully next year......

I'd at least like to see them make an effort to bring the rye back to Oz.

Scott

When did they stop importing the Rye? I've been waiting patiently for that to make it here.

BarItemsPlus1
10-13-2006, 16:29
Actually another thing...
I find it interesting that Pernod wants no involvement in the relationship with motorsport, yet they have no troubles in promoting Gambling...:skep:
Afterall they do sponsor the Australian Joker Poker contest...

(the comment was a little harsh):hot:

BarItemsPlus1
10-13-2006, 16:50
Soz people but on thinking about it I am getting rather 'riled' that Pernod have taken their stance on liquor and motorsport, yet they promote one of the biggest issues in society - Gambling.

I put this challenge to Pernod...
Can you explain what social benefits you achieve by promoting gambling?? Do you run a campaign to promote RESPONSIBLE gambling?? If not, Why??

I would like to congratulate Diageo on their responsible attitude towards the promotion of responsible drinking practices...Maybe they would consider setting up something like the Centenary Council here in Oz??

HighTower
10-14-2006, 04:56
When did they stop importing the Rye? I've been waiting patiently for that to make it here.

Pete, we had the rye in oz until about 2000, which I believe was around the time of the distillery fire, which destroyed mainly rye apparently. I asked Jimmy when he was out here in August 2004 if we would see the rye again down here and he said "give it 12 months". Well I've been waiting impatiently for 2 years now:smiley_acbt: C'mon! I love WT Rye!

gr8erdane
10-15-2006, 01:26
Holy Thunderin Drumsticks Batman! Now that's a bottle I'd love to get my hands on. Where is this one distributed? Japan I'd bet. Duty Frees? And you blokes downunder envy US?

HighTower
10-15-2006, 01:33
Holy Thunderin Drumsticks Batman! Now that's a bottle I'd love to get my hands on. Where is this one distributed? Japan I'd bet. Duty Frees? And you blokes downunder envy US?

It's Japan only gr8erdane.......so it will be great if Troy can get some...but bottles like that come at a price :grin:

Check out the "wild Turkey Kentucky Legend Single Barrel" thread in the "Tasting" section...post 26 on....

BarItemsPlus1
10-15-2006, 02:01
I want to be able to put an order in for a few cases in hopefully around 2 weeks...

In the meantime I'm still trying to develop that tree which bears $$ and not fruit :lol:

To be honest I was never a big WT drinker, however since I discovered the KY Spirit I now put this quite high on my top bottles list. I do only save it though for certain moods...it's not one I would have all the time, mainly as I personally rate it a 'special' bottle...and I like to have a good quality cuban cigar with it, something like a montecristo - I find the 2 peppery tastes coincide and complement each other...

I may end up opening my 'Tribute' tnite to see what this is like...and as far as the WT Master Distiller, this looks awesome!!

I have still yet to get some WT Rye, but as there is plenty of that around I will concentrate on getting one's such as RR 101, Tribute(US & Japan) and some of the various 12yr old's...
Cheers Guys!! & Girls :grin:

leigh_munro
11-28-2006, 03:24
Been away from the website for a few weeks.....no internet, changed from Bigpond to iiNet....


Anyways i just purchased a couple of new bottles off of eBay before they all disappear like they did last year.

Sazerac 18yr RYE - 06 Antique Collection
Thomas H. Handy RYE - 06 Antique Collection

Should be able to get hold of the other 3 bottles to complete the set at a later date with no problems...hopefully

Also brought back a few 1 litre bottles of Heaven hill from a recent NZ trip and as well as a duty free bottle of JD silver select.

Hightower, welcome to Brisbane, seems like we have a few of us locals on the site now. We should all start working together when purchasing supplies from abroad, cut down on those damn shipping costs...are you still with liquorland?

HighTower
11-28-2006, 04:55
Hi Leigh, welcome back!
Yes mate I'm still with LL. I am at our Park Ridge store, over Browns Plains way. Where abouts are you? I'm going to try and get a couple of cases of EWSB 1995 that I had stashed in Ballina, I will try and find someone to bring them up for me, and I'll keep them on hand somewhere in this tiny store....:rolleyes:

Anyways mate, I'm calling it a night, we will have to catch up for a drink for Xmas, I got a set of the 06 Antiques that might just need to be opened......:grin:

Scott

leigh_munro
11-28-2006, 06:07
I'm at Shailer Park, right near the Hyperdome. I'm in need of some more EWSB. I've only got 1 bottle each of the 04 and 05 and and dont want to open either unless i have a replacement. Haven't tried to 06 yet.

camduncan
11-28-2006, 13:46
Did I miss something there Scott?
I thought you were down in Ballina?
Anyway, if that makes 3 of us in Brisbane, I'd say that's enough for a 'get together' at some stage - the first annual SB.com Aussie meet :grin: :grin: :grin:

camduncan
11-28-2006, 13:48
I'm at Shailer Park, right near the Hyperdome. I'm in need of some more EWSB. I've only got 1 bottle each of the 04 and 05 and and dont want to open either unless i have a replacement. Haven't tried to 06 yet.

Leigh, I've got 2 or 3 bottles of the 04 - if it's 3, I'd be more than happy to let one go (we can work something out)
If it's only 2, then I will be hanging on to them (sorry)
I'll check this week and let you know.

HighTower
11-29-2006, 04:44
Did I miss something there Scott?
I thought you were down in Ballina?
Anyway, if that makes 3 of us in Brisbane, I'd say that's enough for a 'get together' at some stage - the first annual SB.com Aussie meet :grin: :grin: :grin:
Yeah, I was in Ballina, I moved like 3 1/2 weeks ago. Work asked me to, I said yes, here I am :grin:
Better than that, since I moved here I have purchased the 06 Antique Collection and a Pappy 20, so I think an Aussie SB.com "sampler" could be on the cards.:grin: John at Binnys is holding a Pappy 23 for me. I'm saving my pocket money........

I've got one 94 EWSB and two 95s. Still haven't seen the 96, I'm sure we will get it soon. We have some 95s on the shelf at work (2 or 3) but I know where there's more....

Scott

leigh_munro
11-29-2006, 05:14
We have some 95s on the shelf at work (2 or 3) but I know where there's more....

Scott

I won't have any spare cash until i'm paid again on the 13th of December but if you can have a few bottles of the 95 EWSB available for me around then i will come out your way and make a purchase.

camduncan
11-29-2006, 13:51
Yeah, I was in Ballina, I moved like 3 1/2 weeks ago. Work asked me to, I said yes, here I am :grin:
Better than that, since I moved here I have purchased the 06 Antique Collection and a Pappy 20, so I think an Aussie SB.com "sampler" could be on the cards.:grin: John at Binnys is holding a Pappy 23 for me. I'm saving my pocket money........

I've got one 94 EWSB and two 95s. Still haven't seen the 96, I'm sure we will get it soon. We have some 95s on the shelf at work (2 or 3) but I know where there's more....

Scott

And I've got a Van Winkle 10yo, 12yo Lot B, 13 yo Rye and a Pappy 15 all open :D There's also a 2004 Stagg & Sazerac open on the shelf.
I've also got various Wild Turkeys & Heaven Hill bottlings on the shelf that aren't available downunder. :D:D
I've seriously thought about picking up a bottle of Hirsch 16yo and ordering a Pappy 20yo from Binnys myself.....

leigh_munro
11-29-2006, 14:38
I've seriously thought about picking up a bottle of Hirsch 16yo and ordering a Pappy 20yo from Binnys myself.....


As i mentioned earlier, now that a few of us are so close together we should start looking into ways to coordinate our purchases so that we can cut down on postage costs.

camduncan
11-29-2006, 19:06
Couldn't agree more Leigh....
We could probably talk to Troy too to see if he can get us a better deal than importing from Binnys..

HighTower
11-30-2006, 01:14
And I've got a Van Winkle 10yo, 12yo Lot B, 13 yo Rye and a Pappy 15 all open :D There's also a 2004 Stagg & Sazerac open on the shelf.
I've also got various Wild Turkeys & Heaven Hill bottlings on the shelf that aren't available downunder. :D:D
I've seriously thought about picking up a bottle of Hirsch 16yo and ordering a Pappy 20yo from Binnys myself.....

Almost forgot...I just got 2 hirsch 16s....we will indulge ourselves......:grin: :grin:

Scott

camduncan
11-30-2006, 19:26
Gents, rather than get too far off-topic here, I will start a new thread shortly (or you are welcome to start one) for a Brisbane SB.com get-together...

HighTower
12-21-2006, 03:56
So I got an email from nicks today, letting me know they have some new bourbons. They have Eagle Rare 10 YO 90 proof (which is apparently part of the Buffalo Trace antique collection) for $110 a bottle, and Cabin Still 80 proof for $45. So that brings me to ask, what is Cabin Still like?
They also had 2 duty free items, Jack Daniels Silver Select ($110) and Jack Daniels Scenes from Lynchburg no 7 1L ($110). How do they get a hold of items mapped out for duty free stores?

Scott

TNbourbon
12-21-2006, 09:37
...They have Eagle Rare 10 YO 90 proof (which is apparently part of the Buffalo Trace antique collection)...

No, this is the single-barrel 'replacement' for the old 10/101 ER bottling. It's running considerably older than the stated 10 years -- more like 12-14. The Antique Collection contains the Eagle Rare 17yo.


...what is Cabin Still like?..

That's a good question. Not seen around these parts much. The original version was a Stitzel-Weller product, the current one isn't -- it's made by Heaven Hill. I'm not even sure it's still a wheater, though HH does now have a wheat mashbill since purchasing Old Fitzgerald.


...They also had 2 duty free items, Jack Daniels Silver Select...and Jack Daniels Scenes from Lynchburg no 7 1L...

Though it's not saying much, the Silver Select is the best JD I've tried. I'd still prefer a whole lot of bourbons to it, though.
:lol: The "Scene From Lynchburg" bottle raises a chuckle -- it's a good example of the marketing JD/Brown-Forman does. Domestically, the series is "Tennessee only", and we're on scene #3 currently, in 750mls only. I saw that bottling, though, in liter size more than two years ago in Mexico. All of them, apparently -- five or seven, I don't remember now -- have long been distributed as exports, but they're touted as "Tennessee only" here to give them a cachet. Also, it appears they were all bottled some time ago, as they all contain 86-proof whiskey, not today's 80-proof.

HighTower
12-21-2006, 13:43
No, this is the single-barrel 'replacement' for the old 10/101 ER bottling. It's running considerably older than the stated 10 years -- more like 12-14. The Antique Collection contains the Eagle Rare 17yo.

Sorry Tim,
I meant to throw in one of these ->:slappin: ...couldn't quite detect my sarcasm. I was pointing out their ignorance, this is even after I spoke to one of the guys there after I received my 06 BTAC, I even sent him a picture!



Though it's not saying much, the Silver Select is the best JD I've tried. I'd still prefer a whole lot of bourbons to it, though.
:lol: The "Scene From Lynchburg" bottle raises a chuckle -- it's a good example of the marketing JD/Brown-Forman does. Domestically, the series is "Tennessee only", and we're on scene #3 currently, in 750mls only. I saw that bottling, though, in liter size more than two years ago in Mexico. All of them, apparently -- five or seven, I don't remember now -- have long been distributed as exports, but they're touted as "Tennessee only" here to give them a cachet. Also, it appears they were all bottled some time ago, as they all contain 86-proof whiskey, not today's 80-proof.

I know about the bottles, I am one of those weird JD collectors, I have Scene 1,2 and 3 in 750mL signed by Jimmy, Gold Medal series, monogram, maxwell house....and the list goes on. Although, since joining this site I have been considering letting them all go and sending the proceeds to Binnys:grin:
I was more wondering how this retailer has stock that has previously sold only in the duty free market. They also sell Blantons Silver, Gold and Special reserve.

For $45 I might have to check out Cabin Still, and at $110 I'll leave the ER10 alone, considering Binnys have it for $24!!

Scott

camduncan
03-03-2007, 14:56
I don't know what is "standard" for other distilleries...but when we call for a "proof check" after circulation or wash out (on the line)...It's done in "proof gallons"...Upstairs (Tank room) :grin:...they use Wine gallons and Proof gallons for measure :grin:

On a few EXPORT labels the proof is 74.4 ABV...We use the same unit of measure for all :grin: on the line :grin:

Actually...the way "we" check proof (it's the same with all, with exception of "sweet" products such as Copa De Ora, Schnapps etc...we have to "cook the sweet stuff to get a ABV :grin:) I will take a bottle...with at least 200 bottles on that particular run to the lab...Take a syringe of product and inject it into this neat little machine :grin: Set the proper numbers and "Wella" like magic it will give me the exact proof in less than a minute :grin: Alot faster than the "old fashioned" way they have to do in the dump room :grin: This unit of measure is standard for all white and brown product on the line--U.S. and Export-- :grin:

Sooooooo...it's the same unit of measure here...it could possibly be different numbers there...I have noticed that the ones with 74.4 and 74.6 got to Australia...but I have noticed that a few of those go to Japan too...

:grin: :grin: Bettye Jo :grin: :grin:

Hey Bettye Jo,

If you happen to see this post....
Do you know if the labels for Nelson County bottles shipped to Australia have changed?
I was at a store last week, and they had different bottles with Green labels....

camduncan
03-03-2007, 14:59
I really don't want to get started on this, but.... Several months ago I was asked to attend a meeting of the KDA (Kentucky Distillers Association) because my boss was out of town. That was the third time I did it and as far as I am concerned, my last. I was so ticked off because they took a vote to see if the KDA should support bourbon going to Australia at less than 80 proof.

I raised the issue that the regs stipulate that bourbon can not be bottled at less than 80 proof and retain the name "bourbon". You see, the problem is that an 80 proof bourbon is taxed at a rate much higher than a 74 proof whiskey. It all boils down to profitability and the ability to compete with other lower proof spirits. This is one of the reasons RTDs are so popular in Australia, they have an inherently lower proof.

At the end of the KDA meeting we took a vote and as I recall, Jimmy Russell, a gentleman from Maker's Mark, and I were the only ones voting against the proposal. When we get to Australia with Buffalo Trace, it will still be 90 proof, despite the tax implications. Now you get an idea why Stagg is sooooo expensive down under!

Ken

Ken,

It's been a couple of years now.
Is there any progress on Buffalo Trace making its way down to Australia?

HighTower
03-04-2007, 01:40
Yeah bring it on! Send a few barrels of it down here, and Cam and I will bottle it in our spare time, we're good like that :grin:
I have a bottle here, can't wait to open it when I am drinking again! It would be good if when it was time to replace it I could just walk down the street and buy another!

Scott

boone
03-04-2007, 08:40
Hey Bettye Jo,

If you happen to see this post....
Do you know if the labels for Nelson County bottles shipped to Australia have changed?
I was at a store last week, and they had different bottles with Green labels....

Yes, they have changed them. The old label gave us too much trouble. I have not seen the green one yet. The one I saw had a white background black letters, with red accents and black cap. Didn't stop to pick one up, just kinda glanced at it in passing and noted the change :grin:

Bettye Jo

camduncan
03-04-2007, 16:46
Bettye Jo, as always, you are a wealth of information :bowdown:
Thank you :D:D

camduncan
03-11-2007, 22:01
I think Scott (Hightower) and myself may have secured some of the last bottles of Fighting Cock to retail on our shores :smiley_acbt:
If anyone else Downunder comes across a few bottles.... it may be worth buying one just to try a different flavor profile that we can no longer get.

TroyM
03-13-2007, 22:47
Hi guys. If anyone is looking for WT RR101 in Victoria, there are about a dozen or so bottles at 1st Choice Liqour in Tooronga Village. They are around $74 each

HighTower
03-14-2007, 00:39
Troy, you can also pick it up at any Vintage Cellars store, for the same price.
Pernod Ricard have said there is enough stock in Australia to last until June/July, however I think that the supply should last beyond that. In all the 1st Choice stores and VC stores I have been into up here, the shelve have been full.

Scott

TroyM
03-18-2007, 18:22
Hi Hightower, Nicks have Buffalo Trace if you cant find it up your way. Picked a couple of bottles up of it around xmas.

HighTower
03-19-2007, 05:25
Yeah Nicks is the only place I know in Australia that has it, but I can get it posted here from the states cheaper than what they sell it for. I got some Blanton's from them, I found Adam great to deal with.

camduncan
03-22-2007, 16:08
Does anyone know of some good bourbon retailers or bourbon bars in Sydney (North Sydney, City area)?
I'm staying in Nth Sydney next weekend and was planning a little scouting trip.

HighTower
03-23-2007, 05:18
Does anyone know of some good bourbon retailers or bourbon bars in Sydney (North Sydney, City area)?
I'm staying in Nth Sydney next weekend and was planning a little scouting trip.
Cam, I don't know of any good retailers for bourbon (although on the north shore I'm sure there would be a few)
I remember going to the Palladium in the city, not sure if it is still of the same name, but it is right next to the Metro theatre in George Street, across from the cinemas. They had Jim Beam Bonded and the Small Batch collection, they had JW blue and stuff like that so they may have had better bourbons, but this was back in 1999 when I was a novice :grin:. Even back then I paid $8 for the bonded and $25 for JW Blue (which I must say I wasn't impressed by, I just had to try it).
There is a club in Kings Cross called "The Bourbon", but I've never been there and unsure if it is named due to it's large selection of our favourite beverage......www.thebourbon.com.au (http://www.thebourbon.com.au)
it doesn't really look like some gangster club where people would be drinking straight bourbon and smoking cigars, but you never know....

Scott

HighTower
03-23-2007, 20:25
Cam,

This information is 2 years old, but here it is nonetheless.
Sydney's bourbon bars

Bayswater Brasserie 32 Bayswater Road, Kings Cross (probably Sydney's best bourbon selection).
Mooghotel bar 413 Bourke Street, Surry Hills.
The Bourbon 24 Darlinghurst Road, Kings Cross.
The Vanguard 42 King Street, Newtown.


So they're all in the same general area, which can only be a good thing.



Scott

BarItemsPlus1
03-26-2007, 01:09
Hey Cam,
let's know how you got on with locating a bar and what they had...
Cheers!

camduncan
06-20-2007, 16:10
A new bar in Brisbane is stocking Van Winkle 12yo and Pappy 15yo -
www.siana.com.au

HighTower
06-21-2007, 02:30
Have you been there Cam??

camduncan
06-21-2007, 03:51
Hey Scott, not yet, but am planning on going soon for dinner/drinks.
Jen has been a couple of times for work related dinners and says it is an excellent venue.

pete_d
06-21-2007, 04:35
Has anyone ordered stuff from Binny's or anywhere overseas lately? What is the rough conversion/shipping/tax rates that have been applied?

HighTower
06-21-2007, 05:37
Current customs import/duty rates are:
$64.72 per litre + 5% of invoiced value + GST
These rates were taken from an invoice I received from them this month instead of the 6 bottles:hot:
I got the 6 bottles, after I paid the invoice, but I would have just preferred the bottles!

Scott

BourbonJoe
06-21-2007, 07:45
Current customs import/duty rates are:
$64.72 per litre + 5% of invoiced value + GST

Scott

What a hose job!!! And I thought the US was crazy.
Joe :usflag:

camduncan
06-21-2007, 16:01
Current customs import/duty rates are:
$64.72 per litre + 5% of invoiced value + GST


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think (from my 2004 Stagg/Saz import experience) that the $64.72 per litre is on alcohol volume, not liquid volume? So a 1000ml bottle at 50%abv is only $32.36 (plus 5% of total invoice, plus 10% GST tax)

HighTower
06-21-2007, 16:46
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think (from my 2004 Stagg/Saz import experience) that the $64.72 per litre is on alcohol volume, not liquid volume? So a 1000ml bottle at 50%abv is only $32.36 (plus 5% of total invoice, plus 10% GST tax)
Yes sorry, per litre of alcohol by volume. The first invoice they sent me was for $267.92. When I rang up to pay it, the guy I spoke to told me that didn't sound right, then he rang me and told me that it had been done wrong (by liquid volume, not alcohol volume). He revised my invoice, and all of a sudden it was $126.32!
Not something you would expect from Customs. Let's say I wrote his name down for future reference.

Pete: These bottles came from a friend of mine in Florida, I have never had to pay duty on a package from Binny's
(touch wood) - I think that maybe because they send packages FedEx they get taken through customs as a priority. They even put the invoice on the outside of the box, saying exactly what is in it. You pay more in postage, but if it saves paying duty......

Scott

camduncan
10-29-2007, 20:19
New bourbon from Heaven Hill - Iron Horse.
Retails for approx $29 AU

HighTower
10-29-2007, 21:51
New bourbon from Heaven Hill - Iron Horse.
Retails for approx $29 AU
Available from all good Coles Liquor outlets! :grin:
Not a bad bourbon, either.

Scott

bongoman
11-06-2007, 15:28
Hi there

As a recent convert to bourbon, I've been looking around online for sources here in Australia.

I notice that Vintage Direct has what seems to be a good range here at nicks.com.au (https://www.nicks.com.au/CategoryList.aspx?OrderBy=0&AvailableYN=Y&ProductCategoryCode=SPLI&ProductTypeId=1&MenuSrc=67.380)

Excuse me if this has been asked before but I did a search for this retailer and could not find anything.

How do the prices at the above link sound? Are they a good source for bourbon here in Australia?

camduncan
11-06-2007, 17:07
Hi Bongoman,

Nicks is an excellent source for bourbons that are otherwise unavailable in Australia. However, their prices on bourbons that you can get at your local bottle shop may not be competitive. They'll probably lean towards the full retail price instead of the often discounted bulk buying price of bottles at BWS or Liquorland.

bongoman
11-06-2007, 22:20
Thanks for that, although I've since been trying to place a small order at Binnys but am having all sorts of trouble checking out there.

I can't get past the "shipping information" form. I fill out all the mandatory fields in the form there but can't progress.

Oh well.

camduncan
11-07-2007, 04:16
Scott (Hightower) might be the best person to answer that - he's included all of my Binnys orders with his for the last 12 months or so....

HighTower
11-07-2007, 15:04
bongoman,

Are you from Byron Bay? I was on the phone to John from Binnys last night and he said he had an order from Oz that didn't go through from the website. He was asking me where Byron Bay was, and I told him it was one of the greatest places in the world! :grin:

I never use the site, I just call and email John Yacullo
Here's his details:
john@binnys.com
If you wanna call him, ring 00111 847 581 3182.
It's kind of scary I don't even have to look his number up any more!:lol:
He generally works about 7am-4pm, so calling him at 11pm EDST will catch him at 7am his time that day. Alternatively, you may catch him calling him at 6am your time. He handles all international orders.

Welcome to SB.com, great to have another Aussie on board!!

As far as Nicks is concerned, Adam and Alex are great to deal with. Favourite that they have would be the Blanton's Gold - that stuff is awesome! Reminds me Adam is holding 2 bottles for me...better get on the phone!

Scott

HighTower
11-07-2007, 16:43
BTW bongoman,

what were you trying to order from Binny's?

Scott

cowdery
11-07-2007, 18:04
I learned something recently about the RTDs that are so popular in Australia. For those who don't know, RTD stands for ready-to-drink and although I consider all bourbon to be ready-to-drink right out of the bottle, the term typically refers to canned or bottled mixed drink products. Bourbon and cola RTDs are the most popular way to consume bourbon in Australia.

The interesting but not surprising part is that the bourbon in those products is barely legal, made by the distilleries expressly for that market and produced as cheaply as possible while still meeting all of the legal requirements for bourbon. The main savings come from just two years of aging in palletized warehouses. The whiskey is dumped at the distillery but shipped to Australia in stainless steel tanks to be mixed with the soft drink ingredients and bottled (or, more commonly, canned) there.

Nothing wrong with it. You wouldn't expect them to be using Stagg. I just found it interesting that the market has become so big that the distilleries now have these special operations just for producing that bourbon.

craigthom
11-07-2007, 18:22
I think RTDs would be big here, too, if they didn't have to be sold as liquor, instead of all the places (grocery stores, convenience stores, etc.) where beer can be sold.

Instead we get ultra-light beer with flavorings added, sold with liquor names on the labels. At least the RTDs have real liquor in them.

Hedmans Brorsa
11-09-2007, 10:25
The interesting but not surprising part is that the bourbon in those products is barely legal, made by the distilleries expressly for that market and produced as cheaply as possible while still meeting all of the legal requirements for bourbon. The main savings come from just two years of aging in palletized warehouses. The whiskey is dumped at the distillery but shipped to Australia in stainless steel tanks to be mixed with the soft drink ingredients and bottled (or, more commonly, canned) there.

Thank you for this interesting information. RTD:s seem to be popular in Germany also. I´ve seen a lot of them there but never really felt tempted to pick one up.

camduncan
11-10-2007, 13:54
Latest update on availability (as at 1st November 2007):

Jim Beam:

Jim Beam White Label
Jim Beam Black Label
Jim Beam Bonded Gold Label
Beams Choice
Jim Beam Rye
Small Batch Collection -
Jim Beam Small Batch with Port added (replaced Knob Creek in our market)
Bakers
Basil Hayden
Bookers

Heaven Hill:

Nelson County
Kentucky Gold
Iron Horse
Virgin Bourbon
Evan Williams
Evan Williams Single Barrel (96 & 97 vintage currently on shelves)
Elijah Craig 12yo
Elijah Craig 18yo *

Four Roses:

Bulleit Bourbon
McKenna Bourbon

Wild Turkey:

Wild Turkey 86
Wild Turkey 101
Wild Turkey Rare Breed
Wild Turkey Russells Reserve 101
Wild Turkey American Honey
Wild Turkey Rye *

Labrot and Graham:

Woodford Reserve

Unknown Distillery:

Old Crow
Cougar Bourbon
Cougar Bourbon XS
Slate Bourbon (from Chicago)
Woodstock Bourbon
Woodstock Bourbon Blue Label

www.nicks.com.au (http://www.nicks.com.au)
Stock a large range of products not normally available in Australia.
eg Blantons, Four Roses, Van Winkle, Buffalo Trace.

Burwood Cellars in Melbourne
Stock Van Winkle products in limited numbers.


* rumoured to be comming to our market, possibly in limited numbers.

craigthom
11-10-2007, 14:56
From what I've read Cougar is made in Lawrenceburg, Indiana, for Fosters. Do they make bourbon there? Do they warehouse it there? I haven't been to that distillery.

This year it was closed, then sold, so I don't know if they bourbon is still from there. Or was it Wild Turkey leftovers?

A little bird told me that Slate Bourbon "from Chicago", a magical blend of different bourbons, may in fact be made by Four Roses, which fits nicely with the "blend of bourbons" concept.

Woodstock is a mystery. The label says it's Kentucky bourbon, but it doesn't say where in Kentucky, and I can't google up anything useful.

HighTower
11-10-2007, 15:20
Since Slate is a Diageo product, it would not surprise me if it contained some FR bourbon, as they purchase bulk from FR for Bulleit. They probably use some of this bourbon and mingle it with some other bourbon they buy in bulk, and then cut it with pure water from Sydney harbour :lol:
I wonder what water source the use to cut Bulleit that is sold in Australia, we get 80 proof stock that is bottled in the UK. I don't like it compared to the 90 proof, I find a big difference.

Scott

cowdery
11-10-2007, 18:13
The last I heard, the only Diageo product being produced at Four Roses is Bulleit. Otherwise, Diageo is getting bourbon where it can, from Brown-Forman and Barton, and probably others.

How about a list of the most popular brown spirit RTDs?

HighTower
11-11-2007, 04:53
How about a list of the most popular brown spirit RTDs?
The 2 biggest dark spirit RTDs in Australia are Bundaberg Rum and Cola & Jim Beam and Cola.
McKenna and cola is pretty popular (6% alc)
Wild Turkey & Cola (8%) also have a dry mixer
Bulleit and Cola is popular (6% and 9% varieties)
Jack & Cola (6%) also have dry/lemonade variations
Cougar and Cola is another popular one, but the others outsell it.
The 2 most popular after Jim Beam would be the Jack and Turkey mixers.
We also have Jim Beam Black and Cola, and also Jim Beam long black super premium, 8% 8yo mixer (supposedly).
We are soon getting Iron Horse & cola, which will be our only Heaven Hill premix, I cant wait to try it, as I am quite fond of the bourbon, although in saying that I have been moving away from bourbon and coke for some time now.

Southern Comfort and Cola is a popular RTD, as is Johnnie Walker & Cola.

Scott

camduncan
11-11-2007, 05:02
We are soon getting Iron Horse & cola, which will be our only Heaven Hill premix,

Do we still get Fighting Cock and Cola?
I know I picked some up back around the start of the year to try (as we no longer get Fighting Cock bottles in Australia), but have not noticed it lately.

Gillman
11-11-2007, 07:58
Is the long black version higher in proof than the regular black version (since all Black Label is I believe 8 years old)?

Also, if you made your own, say, Bulleit and Coke, and compared it to the pre-made one, do they taste the same (of course you would need to ensure they are the same proof)?

In other words do these pre-made drinks taste a little different, perhaps because they are a proprietary version (containing perhaps a certain spice or other additional ingredient)?

I find these drinks interesting for the separate market segment they represent in the Antipodes, one that does not exist at all in North American, or if it does it is a small market to my knowledge.

I recall Chuck Cowdery once gave interesting information on why the segment hasn't developed here, something to do with retail vending laws for alcohol in stores that handle beer, I think.

Gary

HighTower
11-12-2007, 05:33
Do we still get Fighting Cock and Cola?
I know I picked some up back around the start of the year to try (as we no longer get Fighting Cock bottles in Australia), but have not noticed it lately.
Cam,
I haven't seen fighting cock and Cola for some time, and I would guess since IDA are no longer distributing FC that it has come to an end.


Is the long black version higher in proof than the regular black version (since all Black Label is I believe 8 years old)?

Gary,
We have regular Jim Beam Black & Cola, but like the spirit itself, it has lost the 8 year age statement, and now states "aged to perfection".

I would have to check but I think maybe the JBB & Cola cans may only be 7%, where the long blacks are 8%.


Also, if you made your own, say, Bulleit and Coke, and compared it to the pre-made one, do they taste the same (of course you would need to ensure they are the same proof)?

In other words do these pre-made drinks taste a little different, perhaps because they are a proprietary version (containing perhaps a certain spice or other additional ingredient)?

It is very hard, if not impossible to recreate the taste you get from pre-mixed drinks in Australia as they are simply not just mixed with normal coke, but a syrup version like you would get over the bar. They are much sweeter.
I think a major reason that RTDs are so popular in Australia is pure laziness :lol:
- people just couldn't be bothered mixing their own drinks.

Scott

Gillman
11-12-2007, 06:15
Okay many thanks for this information.

Gary

camduncan
11-12-2007, 14:26
I think a major reason that RTDs are so popular in Australia is pure laziness :lol:
- people just couldn't be bothered mixing their own drinks.


In my personal experience, unless I'm going to someones place who is a whiskey drinker, it's easier to take RTD's.
Sometimes it is a real pain to ask for a glass, ask for some ice and then have to mix my own.
However, if I'm with a whiskey drinker, regardless of if they drink bourbon or not, it's a whole other experience and one I quite enjoy.

Hedmans Brorsa
11-12-2007, 15:16
Does this particular phenomenon confine itself to American whiskey?

As far as I can remember, in Germany, I have not seen whiskies from other countries in this peculiar packaging.

camduncan
11-12-2007, 17:50
Nope, bourbon, scotch & rum af are fairly common too.

TroyM
11-18-2007, 16:51
In regards to the queries on dutys, Im pretty sure that you are allowed to bring alcohol into Australia and it doesnt attract any dutys as long as the value of the total shipment does not exceed $1000 Aus.

HighTower
11-19-2007, 05:59
Troy,
duty is payable on any shipment of alcohol coming into this country, regardless of it's value. I have been charged duty on boxes with 2 bottles in them that had had the value marked as $20. I have had many packages get through unscathed, but it seems lately customs have been much more vigilant in charging those duties.
Recently I got charged import duties/gst totaling $800 in a 2 week period.


Scott