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jeff
02-24-2005, 15:01
Tonight, instead of that hour on the treadmill I promised myself I would spend this morning while looking in the mirror, I'm enjoying an after-work relaxer of Eagle Rare 17yo. I enjoy this bourbon just as much as Stagg and go figure, this year it's harder to find! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

So what are you indulging in right now?

gr8erdane
02-24-2005, 16:59
I'm sipping on some Evan Williams White Label BIB. No year statement so I guess it's 4yo. Not bad, got that EW taste with a little more zip. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif

matthew0715
02-24-2005, 17:11
In the last week I finished off my EC12 and my EC18, so my only open bottles of whiskey aren't bourbon: Tullamore Dew (Irish) and VWFR rye. I have my first bottle of Buffalo Trace which I'll open next week to celebrate http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif my new apartment. Moving this weekend is going to be quite a chore http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif so I'm looking forward to trying a new bourbon. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Matt

RedVette
02-24-2005, 17:26
Buffalo Trace and See's candies. The wife ordered a 5 pound box of See's for my Valentines day present and I ordered a bunch of BT from Binny's, just cause. Pretty tasty combination, chocolate and Bourbon, but I guess you all knew that already.

TNbourbon
02-24-2005, 19:30
I'm enjoying Evan Williams 1783, which I think of as EWSB Jr. -- not quite as deep or complex, but with at least hints of all the notes that make the latter a go-to bottle.
Probably will chase it with a couple of fingers of my favorite 'dessert' bourbon, ORVW 15yo.

bluesbassdad
02-24-2005, 20:01
Tonight I wanted to pick up where I left off last night -- with Wild Turkey 101, which was so tasty last night that I finished off a bottle. When I looked for my spare bottle, I found that the one I had finished was my spare bottle, which I hadn't gotten around to replacing. (Here in Arizona WT101 goes for over $20, compared to the frequent $13 special price at Rite-Aid and an everyday price of $14 at Trader Joe's back in California.)

I took that as a sign that I should attempt to answer Chuck's recent post regarding a certain non-bourbon whiskey. After a few sips I found it too cloyingly sweet to finish.

Then I encountered Gary's post regarding blending. I added an equal amount of Jim Beam. It helped some, but I couldn't face finishing a double of a concoction I didn't really enjoy.

Eagle Rare 101 has saved the day. To my taste it has more wood than WT101 but not as much char. I've commented before on its slight sweetness. Tonight it seems almost crisp and dry compared to my earlier pour.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Ken Weber
02-25-2005, 08:07
Matt,
I noticed your comments and realized I have not seen your name before - Welcome to SB.com! Anyway, I am pleased to see that you have come into some Buffalo Trace. After your move, I look forward to reading your comments, good and bad.

Ken

Dave_in_Canada
02-25-2005, 10:40
I've had a cold for about three weeks now. For about a week I had absolutely no smell or taste, so I wasn't wasting any of my good bourbons. Finally the tastebuds are starting to work. Last night I had some Jim Beam Black. I like this stuff. It's young and old all at the same time.

Ken Weber
02-25-2005, 12:54
Dave,
If you were from Kentucky you would have known to treat a cold by taking some of the bourbon you have in your collection that you are less fond of, mix in some honey and lemon, gently warm the concoction, and consume it while sitting in an easy chair and watching TV. You feel better (or at least you get sleepy) and you get rid of some of that stuff you have been holding on to for years.

Ken

Dave_in_Canada
02-25-2005, 14:28
Ken, thanks for the tip, and you're close! That's the same recipe I use except I don't waste bourbon on a cold. But, I usually use cheap tequila, or other spirits that have been brought to the house by un-educated guests. There isn't a bourbon I 've tasted yet that I would consider bad enough to mix with lemon. LOL

"There is no such thing as bad whiskey. Some whiskeys just happen to be better than others." (William Faulkner).

idpa2000
02-26-2005, 11:20
Today I picked up two 50ml bottles of Wild Turkey Rare Breed. I wanted to try a small amount before sinking $32 into a bottle. I must say that it is most tasty. Drinking it over 2 large cubes in a tumbler. As with other high proofs (108) I prefer to let the bourbon sit for a while to let the ice cube cool it and to let the aromas release.
The more bourbons I try the more convinced I am that the WT brands are my favorites. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

ratcheer
02-26-2005, 18:36
If you had asked me, I would have told you. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

Tim

TNbourbon
02-26-2005, 19:58
Kinda of a Wild Turkey day for me, too -- nothing wrong with it exactly, but what started out as a gorgeous 55-degree February Saturday has cooled and there is talk of snow (flurries, at least) by Monday p.m. So I'm sitting here with a pour of warming WT 12yo. (My bottle's down by about 40% already http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif -- how can that be? I think I musta gotten a 'short' bottle http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif) I'm feeling better about tomorrow already.

ej178
02-27-2005, 08:15
I just picked up my first bottle of EC12 and a bottle of Weller 12. I found a liquor store with a fantastic selection and decided to give em' a go.

I enjoy both, although they are totally different from one another. I'm resisting reading the EC12 thread until I can come up with my own tasting notes/ideas.

mobourbon
02-28-2005, 19:22
I am drinking ORVW 15 for the first time. Wonderful! That's all I can say. Spicy upfront and then it mellows out. The taste stays with you. It coats the tongue. Which is wonderful. I have to thank Tim ( TNbourbon ) for turning me on to this. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

cowdery
02-28-2005, 20:59
I just finished off a bottle of Weller 12 and started a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye BIB. Also hit a little Tullamore Dew to get a sense of what barley, malted and unmalted, but without peat (i.e., not a scotch) is about. That (and the rye) was prompted by drinking and thinking about Forty Creek.

Under the definition of American Blended Whiskey, white dog and GNS are permitted, but they're not required. What John Hall is doing at his distillery, and Gary Gillman is doing in his kitchen, is pretty interesting stuff. Is America ready for a premium blend? The typical American blend is designed to deliver alcohol with very mild whiskey flavor. What if you created a blend intended to deliver a lot of flavor, but a flavor different from what can be achieved under the definition of bourbon?

Gillman
03-01-2005, 05:08
I think for anyone interested (producers included) to produce a blend of straight whiskies, a review of the methods of Joseph Fleischman from 1885 is instructive although the distilleries have plenty savvy to do this on their own, of course. To give an example, Fleischman's best bourbon blend is a combination of two bourbons and one rye whiskey. I find a good blend can work wonders for a Manhattan but it can stand on its own, too, as something closely related to a straight whiskey yet something not quite that exactly.

Putting this another way, the definition and subsequent wide availability of straight whiskey was a MINIMUM guarantee to the consumer of quality. It meant that if you bought a bourbon this would assure the buyer that he got a well-flavored, naturally made product, untampered with by blenders or middlemen. Blends until then (and after) acquired a dubious reputation. I believe this was because producers and middlemen were tempted increasingly to make cheaper blends to increase their margin. So straight whiskey meant you got all-genuine whiskey, no fillers or imitation products. But that did not mean all bourbon and rye were the acme of whiskey drinking; if it did, why did ads of the time (say from the early mid-20th century until the 1960's) focus so much on cocktails? Most of these ads show bourbon consumed in some kind of mixed drink (even if only mixed with water or ice). In other words, it was not so much that straight whiskey shouldn't be used in a mixture, but that the consumer should do the mixing ("mixology") himself or order classic whiskey cocktails in bars, to be assured of getting a well-made "blend", that is.

There WERE quality American whiskey blends produced until relatively recently but these have have withered as a category; the wide availablity of straight whiskey and the other polarity of vodka made them, "unnecesary"; there was a centre position but it became filled mostly by Canadian whisky. But the fact remains American-style blending is an art and it was, and remains, possible to make very good blends which in many cases exceed the whiskeys used as their base.

Regarding rye: New York is always hipped to the trends and it is no surprise that rye rumblings are afoot in the Big Apple. This was premier straight rye territory for a long time, from the 1800's until the 1950's. When a place has a history of connection to a particular food or drink, it often comes back, there is a folk memory almost of these things and the old habit gets picked up.

Even the growth of vodka from the 1950's on can be viewed that way, it really was the return of, well, double-rectified Monongahela. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary

clayton
03-01-2005, 08:52
I've opened a bottle of OFBB Spring 90. It's the first OFBB that I've tasted, and I find it quite good indeed. Different from what I've been drinking lately. Not so sweet, with lots of char and pepper.

BrbnBorderline
03-01-2005, 15:51
I've been alternating between Weller Antique and Ridgemont Reserve.

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TNbourbon
03-01-2005, 20:14
Well, I'm running a $50+ bar tab tonight. Fortunately, it's my own bar/shelf. Once in a while I just decide to ignore frugality and taste what I want -- tonight was one of those nights. I started with my typical (1-1/2 oz.) pour of Eagle Rare 17yo ('04, 90 proof), followed with a Wild Turkey 12yo (split label, 101 proof) and chased it with some ORVW 15yo ("A" series, 107 proof). I don't smoke, so I'm not fogging up the place with an after-dinner cigar, but am enjoying some chocolate along with Randy Blank's single-barrel Van Winkle 12yo Lot B (90.4 proof) as the 'cognac' course.
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You know, a man can live pretty well on good bourbon. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif
I'm gonna leave the bartender a good tip! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Dave_in_Canada
03-02-2005, 11:58
Tim, and how are you feeling today http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif

bluesbassdad
03-02-2005, 12:17
DNOB,

In that same vein, last night after doing an inventory of my closet-floor bunker, I decided to open one of my eight bottles (what was I thinking?) of Hirsch 16 y/o (gold foil). I set out to try to pinpoint what it is that keeps me from enjoying it as much as the gold wax version, which is now down to less than half of my one and only bottle.

One drink didn't do it. The second, a double, started to taste quite good after a while. I began to doubt my earlier complaint that this bottling is inferior to the previous one. I barely remember the fourth.

This morning I awoke earlier than usual to greet my landscaper. I kept wondering why I had a headache. Then I remembered. Of course there was once a time when I would have shrugged off the effect of four drinks the night before, if I felt anything at all. I suppose it's another of those annoying, age-related phenomena.

It's back to a two-drink limit for . . .

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield
(DSOB)

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

TNbourbon
03-02-2005, 13:59
Tim, and how are you feeling today http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif



Well, Dave -- I felt pretty good about my enjoyment of them. Think of it quality over quantity. Four pours X 1.5 oz = 6 oz. enjoyed over about a 2-1/2-hour time period after having eaten. Even government charts say it takes about that much in a single hour's time of 80-proof alcohol (on an empty stomach) to reach the .08 DUI limit of most states. Granted, this was all higher than 80 proof -- but it wasn't really that much, except maybe to a teetotaler, and I wasn't going anywhere but to bed afterward. Your aren't a teetotaler http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif, are you , Dave?
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jeff
03-02-2005, 15:38
In celebration of the birth of our newest child, spring Stagg that is http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif, I am enjoying a pour of the '04, 129 proof edition cut 75:25 Stagg to water. I'm getting the typical chocolate and vanilla frosting notes that I usually pick up from this expression, but also a bit of menthol and wood. I can't wait to pick up the next release http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

Dave_in_Canada
03-02-2005, 16:38
Your aren't a teetotaler , are you , Dave?




Far from it Tim. I was willing to share your pain. I got into some Wild Turkey myself on Sunday night. Worked through a couple of different bottlings and ended up loosing my glass. Still haven't found it. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

cowdery
03-02-2005, 17:34
I'm enjoying some Four Roses Single Barrel at the moment. This is just about as close to perfection as bourbon gets, but I'm a sucker for that anise note, which 4RSB has in spades.

What can we do to get more whiskey out of that distillery? What do you think security is like at Lotus? With those flat houses we could probably get four or five barrels into a pickup before anyone was the wiser. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

sharkman
03-02-2005, 19:02
Enjoyed a little Four Roses Single Barrel my self tonight. Right now, I'm lovingly nursing a VW Lot "B" 12yr. The Four Roses SIngle Barrel is #195J from Warehouse E5. Which did you have?
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Barry G.

gr8erdane
03-02-2005, 19:17
Tonight I decided was ugly outcast night. Started off with some Peter Jakes, followed by some Old Bourbon Hollow, and finished off with some Joshua Brook. I might describe what I tasted but let me go shave my tongue first.....

cowdery
03-02-2005, 20:03
I think the flat houses are two-letter designations. What you have is probably ES, which is what I have too. My barrel is 19-6L, so pretty near neighbors, they were.

monte
03-02-2005, 22:37
I too am enjoying some Eagle Rare 17 2002. Such a lovely dark color and amazing flavor. I haven't had any in a few months and I'm wondering why now!!

Among the many tastes I'm enjoying are the minty and lighter fruit elements along with a really nice body. It's sort of sweet, but not obnoxious either. I've been a fan of bourbons like this recently, and would include the Dickel Special Barrel Reserve and maybe possibly the Louisville distilled Old Charter Proprietor's Reserve 13 YO in this family, even though both are a little less "weighty". I think OCPR13 has more of the pear notes which I enjoy, but ER17 seems to have some too. Would anyone want to add any other bourbons to this list of what I consider to be similar tasting bourbons?? Or set me straight if I've grouped things too clumsily??!!

It's too bad that there won't be any more ER17 releases, but let's hope that the "gap" in the BT Antique Collection will be filled by some other worthy but different barrels!

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brian12069
03-03-2005, 03:52
I might describe what I tasted but let me go shave my tongue first.....



I cracked up when I read that...

Edward_call_me_Ed
03-03-2005, 06:10
I am drinking a little Blanton's Gold Edition ABV 51.5% barrel number 105. Nice stuff. I liked the last bottle of Blanton's ABV 46.5% barrel #117 better though. The Gold is lighter somehow. There was a smokiness to the other that I miss in what I am drinking now.
Ed

wrbriggs
03-03-2005, 07:04
Last night I bravely chipped away at some Evan Williams black label that a friend gave me. And, while I greatly respect the folks at Heaven Hill who put out many fine bourbons, I think this bottle will be relegated to my "mixer" shelf.

With that said, it is definitey the best $7 bottle of bourbon I've tasted.

doubleblank
03-03-2005, 11:44
I was recently in Shreveport on family business and spent one evening on one of the "river boat casinos" there. I asked for a bourbon and quickly got a "free", healthy pour of EW Black. Not a bad house pour. When I ordered my second round, the new waitress brought me a small pour of something much lighter than the EW. I asked "What is this?" and she responded that she didn't want me drinking that cheap EW and asked the bartender to pour me a Crown Royal instead. I can't fault the lady for trying to look after me.....but she was definitely surprised when I asked her to return the CR and the EW would be just fine.

Randy

Gillman
03-03-2005, 12:03
A classic story!

Gary

TNbourbon
03-03-2005, 14:29
...It's too bad that there won't be any more ER17 releases...



What did I miss -- this is news to me?! If true, I'm doubly glad I plucked the last '04 bottle off of a shelf just last night. Say it ain't so! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

RedVette
03-03-2005, 16:03
Tonight it is a healthy pour of Jim Beam Black. Lately I have been tapping into so many of my $40 and $50 bottles, that my little hobby is actually starting to get expensive, so tonight I am drawing from one of my $13.99 JB's. This is an awfully nice Bourbon, I find it "not too". Not too sweet, not too "woody", not too smoky, not too much anything, just a very well balanced drink. For not having too much of anything there sure is a lot to like in this glass. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

robbyvirus
03-03-2005, 22:11
Tonight it was a glass of Rowan's Creek. I haven't dipped into this bottle for many months, and was pleasantly reminded that this bourbon is quite tasty. I'm not sure why it isn't more popular.

bluesbassdad
03-03-2005, 22:43
After taking last night off, tonight I once again reached for my top shelf -- and came down with Old Commonwealth. Regretably, it is my last bottle, and it's over half gone. Worse yet, I can recall when this bottling was available from Binny's at around $20 a bottle (several dollars less than its brother under the label, ORVW 10/107, cost me in California). I considered buying a case, but I decided I should spend the money to try a variety of different bourbons. If I had it to do over again, I would not pass up such a deal. Its like will never come again.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Ken Weber
03-04-2005, 05:01
We are out of Eagle Rare 17 until the fall of this year. It appears that we will actually have a few extra cases this year over last.

Ken

clayton
03-04-2005, 08:46
I opened a bottle of Wild Turkey Rye yesterday. It's my second bottle, and I remembered that I liked it (hence the purchase of the second bottle), but once I poured it, I was rather surprised by just how much I liked it. Very good stuff, and exactly what I was hoping for.

TNbourbon
03-04-2005, 17:16
We are out of Eagle Rare 17 until the fall of this year. It appears that we will actually have a few extra cases this year over last.

Ken



Whew! Thanks, Ken. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif I kinda figured that was a typo or something, because somebody here would have known it before now. I was hoping my Eagle Rare didn't suddenly turn into Eagle Rarer.

matthew0715
03-04-2005, 20:07
I'm pretty well settled into my new apartment, and I am quite enjoying that BT. This is definitely a bourbon I want to spend more time with. I looked around the local liquor store with mixed results. They stock far too large a selection of cheap bourbon. I saw something call Olde Borbon by J.W.Dant with a gold-ish label, Heaven Hill 6yo 100 proof (bonded?), and even Fleischman's blended whiskey. Any budget bourbons worth picking up? Hard to believe these share shelf space with Distillers Masterpiece ($240) or Jim Beam's 200th anniversary bourbon (I can't remember the exact name but it was $100). They had Hirsch 16yo, (what am I supposed to look for?) The only BT distillery products were Weller Centennial, & Rock hill Farms (Elmer T. Lee was sold out). No Van Winkle or Eagle Rare. The only rye was Beam yellow label. They still have EWSB 1994 (I want to try the 1995!) Prices are not the best I've seen, but I could do worse. Plus it's practically walking distance from home. I ought to bring a notebook next time.

TNbourbon
03-04-2005, 20:45
Opened a new bottle of '04 Stagg tonight. Like Wild Turkey 12yo, I finally feel I have enough socked away that any new bottle I grab (yep, it's still out there!) will be opened. I've enjoyed it as Ken Weber once advised -- sipping a fairly deep pour at bottle- (and barrel-) proof over several hours' time, and noting the changes. The maturation of the nose is especially dramatic -- from spice and leather, to overripe bananas, to sweet cotton candy. But the flavor has what we'd call 'structure' in a fine, old wine -- although it, too, sweetens slightly, it retains the underlying rye spiciness and cereal notes that define the type.
I usually pour a couple of different bourbons for contrast each night. I don't feel the need after this one. Very satisfying.

cowdery
03-04-2005, 21:18
I'm pretty well settled into my new apartment, and I am quite enjoying that BT. This is definitely a bourbon I want to spend more time with. I looked around the local liquor store with mixed results. They stock far too large a selection of cheap bourbon.



Where are you? My brother lives in Raleigh, NC (I live in Chicago) and when I went into a liquor store there with him, in an upscale neighborhood, I was pleasantly surprised by how much bourbon they stocked, but also by the fact that most of it was mid- to bottom-shelf brands and in 1.75L bottles. In the case of the particular store we visited, most of it seemed to be Heaven Hill products too. Good for them and good for all those Southern Americans drinking the native spirit, but it was a little different from what I expected to see.

RedVette
03-05-2005, 06:06
Any budget bourbons worth picking up?



Depends how you define "budget". I like Old Forrester, especially when you can find it for under $10. Any more I define "budget" as under $20 which means Beam Black, Old Grandad Bonded, BT, and Corner Creek are all budget bourbons.

Edward_call_me_Ed
03-05-2005, 07:24
Hello All,
Just right this minute, I think it is Knob creek, not too sure as I have had Elijah Craig, (I just love this stuff. While I am drinking it I can't figure out why I drink anything else.) Buffalo Trace, lighter and sweeter, milder in a way, still, I find myself thinking: Why would I drink anything else? Now, Knob Creek! Wow! Good!
Please don't think I like everything without exception. I don't. But, in different ways these three all do it for me.
Ed

Ken Weber
03-05-2005, 08:35
I know good bourbon is for sipping, but just smelling the Stagg is such a satisfying experience. As the minutes tick by between sips, it is amazing how the flavors change. Leather, then chocolate, then tobacco, then citrus, then.....

Ken

ratcheer
03-05-2005, 13:20
Any time I could find Rock Hill Farms, I would buy it. It is delicious.

Tim

RedVette
03-05-2005, 17:42
Finishing a bottle of Wild Turkey Rare Breed, wow what a bourbon. Sweet, smokey, deep flavors with a long tail on it. I am going on a few international trips soon, and that usually means Duty Free shopping, so I am clearing out some Turkeys.

Merlin
03-05-2005, 19:48
Right now I'm enjoying a bottle of Bakers. It's a 107 proof and first tried a few cubes and a splash of H2O but I think I'm prefering it NEAT.

bluesbassdad
03-05-2005, 22:37
They had Hirsch 16yo, (what am I supposed to look for?)



My suggestion is to look for either version that has a wax-sealed top. I have a bottle of the gold-wax sealed botting; it is superb.

I also have more bottles that I really want of the bottling with the gold foil sealed top. I bought several at the seeming bargain price of $39.99, only to find that it is not the same quality as the earlier bottling. At that price, you may want to buy one bottle, just out of curiousity. Much higher than that, and I'd suggest you pass.

At about the same price Rock Hill Farms is one of my favorites.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

troyce
03-06-2005, 17:06
Just opened the "new" Wathen's. Anybody else tried this one. As much as I like the old Wathens's , this bottle tastes like it was aged in a 55 gal. steel drum. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

BobA
03-07-2005, 19:15
A raw night here, dropping temps, and rain, so I went with OGD 114. I really like this stuff. Had a bit of Sazerac, too, and am enjoying the differences and similarities. But this is a better night for the OGD, in my opinion.
Bob

TNbourbon
03-07-2005, 19:54
I enjoyed a high-dollar night a week or so ago, and tonight -- while fixing a friend's computer -- I'm low-balling it, and still enjoying it.
I started after supper with a Manhattan-like concoction of some Evan Williams 1783 over a couple of cherries from a jar with a vermouth/bitters/cherry juice mixture in it. Right now, I'm sipping some Old Fitzgerald 1849, and think I'll have a nightcap nip of Heaven Hill 10yo BIB to finish.

matthew0715
03-09-2005, 17:56
FYI, I now live in Washington, NJ (NW part of the state, ~70 miles west of NYC, less than 1 hour from the Poconos). I was previously living on Staten Island, and right over the Goethals Bridge is Bayway liquors - huge selection, great sale prices, always a couple of local cops around (security?). Before that I was in Wilkes-Barre, PA - state-run stores but there are premium? stores that carry a bigger selection, and they have good sales that change monthly.

Anyway, I checked back and the Hirsch is only foil here & $91 http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif !!! This time I saw WT Rye for $22.58 plus 2 oddities: Classic Cask Straight Rye (90 proof), a 21yo for $57, and a 22yo for $68. Any info on these?

The Weller Centennial is from Frankfurt, not Louisville and is $46. I decided to buy a 375ml of Evan Williams (regular 7yo) for only $5.99, since I've enjoyed other HH product like EWSB 1994 and the EC (12 & 18). They don't have many bourbons in smaller sizes. Nearly everything is 750ml, liter, or 1.75 liter.

Just to say one thing on topic, I'm really enjoying this bottle of Buffalo Trace. The more I drink, the more I want another. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

-Matt

cowdery
03-10-2005, 10:27
The last time I bought a bottle of Weller Centennial was a few months ago at Liquor Barn in Louisville, $22.99 everyday price.

jeff
03-14-2005, 15:01
Tonight I'm enjoying a glass of Old Fitzgerald BIB. I'm getting wonderful scents of fresh-baked bread on the nose and a minty/anise flavor on the palate. The finish is warm and long. Great QPR bourbon http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

clayton
03-14-2005, 15:37
Last night was Blanton's, which is still a bit new to me. I was picking up some great char and orange notes in my glass. Good stuff.

clayton
03-15-2005, 08:59
Not bourbon, but I cracked open a bottle of Jack Daniel's Single Barrel last night. It was a xmas present, and since I'm planning to bring it to a tasting night next month, I thought I should familiarize myself with it. In all honestly, I liked it far better than I expected to.

I've never liked the original JD bottlings, but this is a jump in quality comparable to that from Jim Beam White to Jim Beam Black, if not more so.

My notes say, "Lemon candy, very sweet on the nose. Salt-water taffy. Licorice and char on the palate. Finish is surprisingly short, but sweet, with some minty rye left behind."

All in all, the only Tennessee that I've actually enjoyed.

bluesbassdad
03-15-2005, 22:41
Inspired by the latest issue of Chuck Cowdery's "Bourbon Country Reader", which features an article on wheaters, I started tonight with Maker's Mark. Every time I drink Maker's I am struck by how undistinguished it seems to me. When I finish a glass, I am not only hard pressed to describe the flavor(s), I feel as though I have no memory of it and might not recognize it the next time I drink it.

I moved on to ORVW 10/107, and I'm now nearing the end of my second pour. Even the revelation that I'm drinking Bernheim product, not Stitzel-Weller, does not diminish my enjoyment of this bottling. I'm not clear as to when that transistion occurred. I wonder whether my first bottle, which I reviewed here (http://www.straightbourbon.comhttp://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=Tasting&Number=10151& Searchpage=1&Main=7443&Words=%2Bmorefield+%2Blips& topic=&Search=true#Post10151) was S-W. (Scroll to the top of that thread -- I just couldn't resist drawing attention to my Hemingway impression. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

If I can stay awake long enough, I plan to finish the evening with just a taste of the ORVW 15/107.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

camduncan
03-16-2005, 00:51
Tonight it's Evan Williams 7yo
Quite a nice bourbon for the price.
I definately prefer the Single Barrel, but it costs nearly double here, so this is doing nicely. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

Edward_call_me_Ed
03-16-2005, 08:17
Oh, Isn't bourbon good?
I am drinking Elmer T. Lee just now. It makes me happy. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif What else can I say?
Ed

BrbnBorderline
03-16-2005, 12:44
Last night was WT Rye. Always good.


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cowdery
03-17-2005, 16:37
Well, I did it. In my glass right now is the last of my '02 Stagg, which was mocking me from the bottom of its lovely glass cathedral, which is now empty as a tomb.

No bourbon takes you inside the barrel like Stagg. It smells more like wood than wood itself, wood transformed, transubstantiated. Sacremental whiskey for the bourbonic faithful.

cowdery
03-17-2005, 18:21
And then it was gone ...

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine:
et lux perpetua luceat eis.

musher
03-18-2005, 03:46
I hope you waved goodbye to it on the way out, too (or at least what was left of it)! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

BrbnBorderline
03-18-2005, 07:31
Last night I opened a bottle of Old Charter 12 YO. I hope it improves after the bottle has a chance to breathe.

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doubleblank
03-18-2005, 08:35
I've been sipping on some '98 Wathens lately which I thoroughly enjoy. I went to the bunker to see what other Wathens bottles I had in reserve. WHAT!!!! Where are they? The maid or a happy rat must be getting in there. I couldn't find any in reserve. I'm hoping Val just relocated some of the growing collection somewhere a little less cluttered. Anyway.....has anyone seen Wathen's reemergence in the marketplace?

Randy

gr8erdane
03-18-2005, 08:52
Gotta watch out for those Wathen stealing bourbon rats. I hear the best bait for a trap is a Wathens soaked Pepcycle Authentic Bardstown Brisket Plug. Just make sure it's not the maid first. It's so hard to get good help after they've sampled the plug... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif

jeff
03-18-2005, 09:41
And then it was gone ...



A tragedy indeed! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smil41df29a15fb35.gif

halpap
03-18-2005, 10:11
I think it is back in the market place, albeit on a somewhat limited basis. I think Lenell's has it in New York and Hi-Time Wine Cellars in California. You have to check your own local shipping laws, or you might be able to get your local place to order it. If you like high prices, you could try internet wines. Cheers.

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TNbourbon
03-18-2005, 14:17
...has anyone seen Wathen's reemergence in the marketplace?



I've seen it several places around here, Randy, earliest spotting being in Bowling Green, KY, on my return just before Christmas. Neck tag indicated a July (I think!) '04 bottling. More recently, it has popped up in a handful of other places here in Middle TN, but I'm no longer finding any of the older stuff (drat!).

BobA
03-18-2005, 17:15
BrbnBorderline,
You inspired me to pour some Old Charter 12 that I hadn't had in a couple of weeks. I do like it, which surpised me a bit when I got the bottle as I'd pretty well decided I preferred high-rye mashbills and straight rye. Until tonight, I'd sort of cycled this out waiting for warmer weather, and hit some more rye in the colder weather. I think the OC 12 has a simple smoothness that shows some great nuances when I spend some more time with it. And if I recall correctly, I wasn't impressed when I first tasted it on a fall trip (in cold weather), but gave it a go based on comments here. I do think it will be especially nice towards summer and hope that you decide it's worth having.
Bob

doubleblank
03-18-2005, 18:17
I'll ask my local retailer to order some. Has anyone tried it?

On a more positive note, Val allowed that she moved some of the shorter bottles that she had been tripping over in the pantry into an antique china cabinet we have. There I found a '98 and an '01 Wathens and a Spring '90 BB. The '01 bottle was a gift from Dave and Tina and I knew I hadn't opened it yet.

Randy

bluesbassdad
03-18-2005, 18:39
Tonight it's Knob Creek, which seems especially appropriate now that winter has returned to the Arizona high desert. To me KC is definitely a cold weather bourbon. I really should test that proposition come summer by having it on the rocks some dry, hot afternoon.

Last night, as befits the holiday, I strayed from the one true path long enough to have a glass of Black Bush. I found it pleasantly sweet and grainy, but lacking in both intensity and balance compared to bourbon, especially KC.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Ambernecter
03-19-2005, 13:21
Well I got up and "did the gym" today and have enjoyed both Maker's Mark and Wild Turkey 12YO this fine evening...

The Wild Turkey 12YO is tough to get hold of in England but really is almost as good as Rock Hill Farms! (Did I really say that out loud?)

jeff
03-22-2005, 15:25
I'm having some Evan Williams White Label BIB and I agree with Dane: Typical EW taste with a punch to it. I believe Bettye Jo told me that it is indeed a 4yo bourbon. I enjoy it most with a couple drops of water to bring it down to what I would guess is about 90 proof or so.

TNbourbon
03-22-2005, 19:18
Earlier, I re-decanted a 1.75L King Tut Michter's from the Seventies that had a bad cork (fortunately, no harm had come to the whiskey, and more than 2 750ml decanters remained) so, of course, I had to taste-test to make sure it hadn't been tainted. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Right now I'm sipping a pour from the other 1.75L I have open, a Stitzel-Weller-distilled W.L. Weller Special Reserve. It's evidence that Julian comes by his spicy wheated bourbons genetically -- it seems to be in the Van Winkle blood (although S-W was long past it's Pappy days by the time this one was bottled, Ed Foote was still making the whiskey).

Ambernecter
03-23-2005, 11:32
Got back to the family home and cracked a bottle of Knob Creek. I enjoyed it side by side with Wild Turkey 12YO.

I was shocked at how good the Knob Creek tasted in such heavy company...

I've had about a year away from any of the small batch Bourbons but Knob Creek is way, way, better than I remembered...

camduncan
03-23-2005, 12:14
Finished the final 3 drinks from my first bottle of Bulleit last night. I definately enjoyed the bottle, and will probably pick another up for the 'bar', but for the same money ($45AU), I think I'd prefer to drink Evan Williams Single Barrel http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

robbyvirus
03-23-2005, 23:49
Tonight I had a nice healthy pour of Evan Williams, Single Barrel, 1994 vintage. I always think of Bettye Jo when I drink this one, because she gave us a tour of the production line. Then, as a night cap, I had a small nip of Blanton's. A nice evening indeed!

cowdery
03-24-2005, 00:10
I'm about to go pour some Four Roses Single Barrel. I'm looking forward to it. Now that I think about it, what am I waiting for?

Ah, there you go. Raisins, spice cake, the really good homemade kind. licorice. Sadly, this glass finished the bottle. I'll definitely be buying more of this stuff.

Ken Weber
03-24-2005, 06:33
Cam,
What is the proof of the Bulleit down under?
Ken

chasking
03-24-2005, 10:03
We're moving next week to our new house, and last night I packed up all my booze. I hadn't planned on it, but I couldn't resist taking a nip of the Stagg before that long tall bottle slid into the case.

I kept out a couple bottles with only a little left in the bottom, i.e., drink it rather than move it. So, for about the next week, I've got a little bit of Knob Creek (won't last long; will be replaced once the bar is set up at the new house) and the rest of my "get rid of it" bottle of Dickel No. 12.

RedVette
03-24-2005, 16:29
EWSB 94, the end of the bottle. I'm not always sure about this Bourbon, it has a bitterness that like a good Belgian beer can either be refreshing or overwhelming depending on mood and circumstances. Tonight at the back end of an exhausting work week, it might just be "too much" Bourbon.

Rancastle
03-24-2005, 17:19
Four Roses Single Barrel last night, Black Maple Hill 14yr tonight. Bottled in Bardstown. Anybody know who distilled the Black Maple Hill?

wrbriggs
03-24-2005, 17:31
Weller Centennial. Good stuff. I might have some Buffalo Trace afterwards.

doubleblank
03-24-2005, 18:24
The earlier BMH's were done by Julian and SW bourbon. The Bardstown bottling is from Kulsveen and probably HH. Don't know for sure.

Randy

bluesbassdad
03-24-2005, 19:14
A delayed report from last night: My wife and I took the neighbors to a restaurant in nearby Prescott Valley, AZ. As we entered, the first thing I saw was a small, U-shaped bar. The visible shelf-stock sat on three shelves about ten feet in length. To my amazement, sitting in the middle of the second shelf were the following (to the best of my memory):

Woodford Reserve
[Unidentifiable]
Elijah Craig 18 y/o
Maker's Mark
VW Family Reserve Rye
Jim Beam Black
[Memory fails me as to the last two.]

The sight of those bottlings on such prominent display struck me as an oasis of bourbon civilization here in the remote, high desert.

I'm probably the first person in the history of all-you-can-eat rib night at this establishment to order EC 18 neat. It had been several months since I'd tasted it. It wasn't nearly as heavy with char as I remembered. In fact, it seemed rather nicely balanced between sweet and dry, herbal and caramel, etc. Besides the enjoyment it provided me, it gave me an excuse to mention Bettye Jo and this forum. Here's to ya!

Again I am left to wonder: Has my taste changed that much in a few months? Or can I chalk it up to variations within a single-barrel expression?

One clue in that regard: After arriving home I tried a few sips of the Ezra B 15 y/o, which I had once pronounced better balanced than the EC 18. It seemed sweeter and more herbal than I remembered. Somehow the EC 18 seems to have overtaken it on my list of favorites.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cowdery
03-24-2005, 21:50
I don't know why exactly, but reading this and Randy's post about the bar in Houston absolutely delight me. I'm just tickled when somebody discovers a good bourbon selection in a bar.

And one with an all-you-can-eat buffet? Heaven on earth.

As for why the EC18 tasted different, just being in a different environment, different ambient odors and such from what you are used to at home, can make a huge difference.

robbyvirus
03-24-2005, 22:19
I have tasted EC 18 from several different barrels, and I have been struck how different they all have tasted. I'm not sure if it's a characteristic of this bourbon in particular, or just of all single barrels (although I haven't noticed it with other single barrels) but the EC 18 seems to really vary from barrel-to-barrel...which of course, makes it all that much more fun and interesitng to sample.

cowdery
03-25-2005, 17:19
I have been putting a lot of nearly-empty bottles to rest this week. The latest: Evan Williams Single Barrel 1995.

Incidentally, I have decided to retire the euphemism "dead soldier" from my personal vocabulary. It just strikes me as disrespectful to, well, dead soldiers.

gr8erdane
03-25-2005, 17:27
Why not call them "spent magazines" instead? Having fired off all the cartridges, it's time to lock and load again.

RedVette
03-25-2005, 18:27
I have been putting a lot of nearly-empty bottles to rest this week. The latest: Evan Williams Single Barrel 1995.



Me too. Must be spring and its cleaning thing happening. I have managed to polish off half a dozen bottles in the last few weeks. The garbage man must think I am a serious lush.

Tonight Buffalo Trace followed by ORVW 15. Hard to believe that these come from the same distillery.

musher
03-25-2005, 18:35
Tonight Buffalo Trace followed by ORVW 15. Hard to believe that these come from the same distillery.


They don't. At least, not as far as distillation is concerned. The 15yo would have been distilled at Stitzel-Weller, if I'm not mistaken.

sharkman
03-25-2005, 19:25
I have to throw in my 2 cents on a bottle of EC18yr SB. I have barrel #702 barreled on 3-11-82 and I gotta say, I can hardly gag this stuff down. This is my most disapointing bottle of Single Barrel ever... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/puke.gif

I wish I could put my finger on the taste, but all I can say is DIRT... Even feels gritty going down. Plus, so much alcohol taste... No class what so ever. Makes me totally afraid to buy another bottle to see what gives?

For those who enjoy their bottling of EC18yr SB, congratulations. I got burned somehow... it's the weirdest thing I have ever tasted in a bourbon.

RedVette
03-25-2005, 19:37
The Straightbourbon.com database has ORVW 15 listed as a Buffalo Trace product. Hard for me to keep straight, but I thought that the Van Winkle stuff has been BT for a while now.

cowdery
03-25-2005, 19:46
The whiskey is now aging at Buffalo Trace, is bottled by Buffalo Trace, and the Van Winkle operation is essentially a joint venture between Julian and Buffalo Trace. However, none of the whiskey currently being sold under the Van Winkle name was distilled at Buffalo Trace. All of the Pappy and Family Reserve bourbons were distilled at Stitzel-Weller, the Old Rip Van Winkle was distilled at Bernheim, and the rye was distilled (we think) at Medley in Owensboro. Buffalo Trace is making wheated bourbon and, as it matures, the Van Winkle line will transition to Buffalo Trace-made product.

bluesbassdad
03-25-2005, 20:58
Gee, Chuck, is there perhaps some publication that one could subscribe to that would lay out that sort of thing in eloquent detail? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cowdery
03-25-2005, 22:08
Well, it ain't the New York Times, I'm sure we can all agree on that.

(Anyone who wants to know more about the publications Dave may have been alluding to need only click on the magic name below.)

brian12069
03-26-2005, 03:40
I have to throw in my 2 cents on a bottle of EC18yr SB. I have barrel #702 barreled on 3-11-82 and I gotta say, I can hardly gag this stuff down. This is my most disapointing bottle of Single Barrel ever... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/puke.gif

I wish I could put my finger on the taste, but all I can say is DIRT... Even feels gritty going down. Plus, so much alcohol taste... No class what so ever. Makes me totally afraid to buy another bottle to see what gives?

For those who enjoy their bottling of EC18yr SB, congratulations. I got burned somehow... it's the weirdest thing I have ever tasted in a bourbon.


I gotta throw my 2 cents in too. I think both the 12 and 18 are both awful. They are probably the only bourbons I have ever tasted that I just went aghghghghghghghgh. I don't enjoy either of them.

RedVette
03-26-2005, 10:07
Buffalo Trace is making wheated bourbon and, as it matures, the Van Winkle line will transition to Buffalo Trace-made product.



So is it the general concensus that the Pappy's and ORVW's will taste similar if not identical to the current stuff when it is made from BT stock?

cowdery
03-26-2005, 15:10
So is it the general concensus that the Pappy's and ORVW's will taste similar if not identical to the current stuff when it is made from BT stock?



No way to predict until we get there. I can tell you there are some significant differences between the still at SW and the one at BT. On the other hand, Julian Van Winkle is involved in the BT project and they are expressly trying to duplicate the original Van Winkle "family recipe." Who knows, it might even be better. I'm afraid even if there is some kind of consensus it is worthless, because it is nothing but speculation founded on nothing. We gotta taste the whiskey.

I have said many times and will say again here that if you like a certain Van Winkle whiskey, buy as much of it now as you can afford, because we may never see its likes again.

BobA
03-26-2005, 19:31
I'm having my first taste of Bulleit. First impressions can be bad, but I'm not thinking that much of it. I like the sharpness up front, but after that it I'm getting a mediciny tast that stays a while. I'll probably switch to OGD 100, and do a real side-by-side some other night.
Bob

TNbourbon
03-26-2005, 20:56
I'm treating myself to a Heaven Hill trilogy of 9-10yos tonight: Evan Williams 1783 (86 proof, 10 years), Evan Williams Single Barrel 1994 (86 proof, 9+ years) and Old Heaven Hill 10yo BIB (100 proof and 10yo, of course, as the name implies), in that order.
The back-to-back Evan Williams releases confirm two things -- that the 1783 is certainly one of the best $10-or-so value bourbons out there, and that the Single Barrel is a premium version of it, with added elegance and depth. Both have the trademark HH menthol/eucalyptus-disguised alcohol, but the 1783 is more 'in-your-face', while the SB has a softer and more sophisticated presentation, with a warmer finish and less-obvious alcohol.
The BIB introduces itself with a sweeter, more maple-y nose than the EWs, but turns into a sinus-clearer, too, with time in the glass. It has more barrel flavor than the others, but passes the HH menthol-muster on the finish in spades. That finish is long and spreading, more fitting to a $50 bourbon than the $10-$12 one it is.
It's quite remarkable that Heaven Hill and the Shapiras can turn out such fine bourbon at such low (comparatively) prices, and enough to make you wonder who benefits for the 'economies of scale' that the big corporations -- Diageo, Fortune Brands, Brown-Forman -- promise (I don't really wonder too much -- it's the stockholders, not the consumers). They all make wonderful whiskey. But HH is the industry leader in putting in the consumers' hands at low cost.

camduncan
03-28-2005, 00:46
Ken, our bottes of Bulleit are 90 proof (45%)

tmas
03-28-2005, 13:48
Hi, you seem to be very knowledgeable about this ORVW, Buffalo Trace thing which I just now found out about by coming to this web site. ORVW is my favorite bourbon and so I am concerned. Has Van Winkle been taken over by BT, and does this mean that for all practical purposes Van Winkle is soon to be no more as we previously knew it? What a shame that would be, although in today's world it would be business as usual. I'd appreciate any info you have on this which would help me go out and get a bunch of different Van Winkles to squirrel away for my winter years if in fact the Van Winkle bourbons are slated for extinction. I tried a BT bourbon, although I don't recall which one, and it didn't ring my bell like the ORVWs do!

RedVette
03-28-2005, 16:32
Has Van Winkle been taken over by BT, and does this mean that for all practical purposes Van Winkle is soon to be no more as we previously knew it?



Julian is still the man, they just changed distilleries. It is possible/probable that the profiles will change with the BT stocks, but how much is anybodies guess. Considering how good the Van Winkle stuff has been in the past, I think it would be a good bet that the new stuff is delicious. Just a guess, but then I'm a new guy.

Tonight, Old Ezra 101 is in my glass. What a funny little Bourbon. There is something in the flavor that I find offensive, but I can't put my finger on it, and it isn't so much as to make it undrinkable. Odd stuff.

TNbourbon
03-28-2005, 16:37
Run a search on this site for "Van Winkle" and you'll find lots of information -- even Julian Van Winkle, the bottler, shows up and posts fairly often.
In short, Van Winkle is bottled by Julian Van Winkle (grandson of "Pappy" Van Winkle) under an arrangement he has with Buffalo Trace. In all but the current 10yo ORVW bottlings, he is still using old Stitzel-Weller bourbon. However, since that distillery stopped operating in 1992, that bourbon won't last forever. Julian is overseeing the aging of Buffalo Trace-distilled bourbon for future Van Winkle bottlings.
The ORVW 15yo is no longer being bottled, replaced by a Pappy Van Winkle Family Reserve 15yo bottling (joining the existing such 20- and 23yo Pappys). Look under tasting notes thread for comparisons.
Welcome to Straightbourbon.com. You'll find more info here about bourbon than you ever knew existed.

tmas
03-28-2005, 16:46
Thanks for the info & welcome, Tim. I'll do my homework and get myself a bunch of that Stitzel-Weller Van Winkle, never know what the new stuff will be like until the old stuff is just a memory!

Tom

TNbourbon
03-28-2005, 21:38
Since you began a discussion about things Van Winkle, I decided tonight's lineup would include some Stitzel-Weller (original Van Winkle distilery) I have open, in comparison with a newer Old Fitz -- the Old Fitzgerald 1849 distilled at Bernheim and bottled by Heaven Hill.
I have both an 80-proof Old Fitzgerald 4yo and Weller Special Reserve 7yo from the Stitzel-Weller era open, and they are most definitely the same bourbon at different ages.
The additional 3 years gives the Weller a sweeter, maple nose with much greater depth. In the glass, the color difference is pronounced with the older bourbon, of course, much closer to amber.
The 4yo's flavors are very soft on entry, while the Weller 7yo lets you know right away that this is wheated -- it reminds me of my Mom's brown-sugar fudge, lightly burned from too long over the heat without stirring.
The Bernheim-distilled 1849, on the other hand, is a bit lighter in color than the 7yo Special Reserve, despite being a year older. Instead of sweet caramel on the nose, it's lighter cotton candy, with less pungency. It has a lighter taste, like the younger S-W bottling. There are some bitters on the finish that belie the wheat, while the Weller stays sweet throughout.
Bottom line, I like them all, but can see why Stitzel-Weller wheaters developed such a reputation for quality. It is tasty, pleasant and drinkable at any age, distinctly different from rye-flavored bourbons in its sweetness, yet matching their complexity, though perhaps requiring more years in the barrel to do so.

monte
03-28-2005, 22:25
BrbnBorderline,
You inspired me to pour some Old Charter 12 that I hadn't had in a couple of weeks. I do like it, which surpised me a bit when I got the bottle as I'd pretty well decided I preferred high-rye mashbills and straight rye. Until tonight, I'd sort of cycled this out waiting for warmer weather, and hit some more rye in the colder weather. I think the OC 12 has a simple smoothness that shows some great nuances when I spend some more time with it.



A nice way to put it... I also like the 12 year Old Charter as well as heavy rye mashbill whiskies; somehow I don't think the two tastes are mutually exclusive http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Around here, I have been searching for old dusty Louisville distilled Old Charter Proprietors Reserve bottles (the 13 year version) and I think it's even more smooth and "nuance filled" than the 12 year old, which I have only seen in KY. I'm amazed that they can get a 13 year old whiskey to taste so fresh and "bright" and still have all the smoothness and character of being extra aged. The 13 year is a little lighter and more refined than the 12, so I enjoy it much more, but this comes at a high cost difference.

Since I can't get the 12 year version up here in MA, and there seems to be a good bit of old dusty 13 year bottles lurking in stores around here, I end up drinking the 13 year a lot more often... and enjoy it a lot!

Try the 13 year if you can... Maybe it isn't worth the price difference (or maybe it's cheaper near you?), but I find it to be quite a nice whiskey, and a somewhat unique one at that. Not unrelated to the 12 year old, but a good bit more refined.

Regards,

-monte-

bluesbassdad
03-29-2005, 22:56
Eagle Rare SB 10 y/o.

Actually I have yet to take a sip tonight. I'm still marveling at the nose. I've said before that this is the most cognac-like bourbon I've ever tasted (and I mean that in a good way). Tonight the aroma of grapes is stronger than I remembered, so much so that it reminds me of Welch's concord grape juice.

Oh, and I selected this pour tonight because I've decided to open my lone bottle of ER 17 y/o, and I felt I should establish a baseline first. Now I think I'll put it off at least one more night.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Ken Weber
03-30-2005, 07:19
Thanks. I have a meeting with an Australian distributor tomorrow. Perhaps BT will find its way there shortly. I will let you know.
Ken

Ken Weber
03-30-2005, 07:37
I have followed this thread and my fellow Straighbourbonites have pretty much answered your questions as well as I would. I will add that the Buffalo Trace Distillery produced wheated bourbon for United Distillers (they bought the old Stitzel-Weller distillery)going back nearly a dozen years. We have been making the bourbon to the same recipe as that found in Julian's bourbons. Will our 15 year old taste like the current 15 year in a few years, I honestly don't know. I know that the current 12 year old Weller and 12 year Van Winkle use pretty much the same whiskies, however, Julian has a different taste profile and his 12 year is distinctly different. As long as he keeps selecting his whiskey, I would say the quality should stay the same.

It is important to note that prior to Weller, all of our bourbons used rye as the short grain (flavoring grain). Rye contributes more of a spiciness or a peppery taste. Wheat, in my opinion, is a bit softer. Some people vastly prefer one over the other.

Ken

camduncan
03-30-2005, 11:56
Ken, that is fantastic news http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif
I know it's probably one of many meetings before a deal is done, but I hope it goes well.

cowdery
03-30-2005, 16:48
I have little to add to what Ken Weber and others have said. If I ruled the world, Stitzel-Weller would still be producing and the Van Winkle family would still be running it. (And Brooke Burke would be my queen.) Barring that, the Van Winkle heritage is in good hands at Buffalo Trace.

pete_d
03-31-2005, 04:13
Go Ken,
Do it for the Antipodean Bourbon-fans...

I can't wait to see the sexy BT bottles on a shelf down here.

jeff
03-31-2005, 15:53
Old Bourbon Hollow. I picked up this bottle at Toddy's on Tuesday. I had never seen it before in lexington and Guthrie explained to me that it is from Jim Beam and he is the sole proprietor of it in KY. Apparently it is modeled after the classic "Old Tub" brand. It's a BIB bourbon and sold for about $11. It has a pleasant, familiar Jim Beam taste, but a little smoother and tastier than the 4yo White label. This is a nice drink on ice and would make a good mixer. If you're in Bardstown, or you see it out-of-state, give it a try. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Gillman
03-31-2005, 16:40
Cool. How about a pic, Jeff?

Gary

BobA
03-31-2005, 18:45
Monte,
I would like to try the 13, but although I look in every liquor store I enter, haven't found it so far. I'll keep looking, but I do have plenty of others. Including tonight's ORVW 10-year 107. I guess I'm forsaking rye taste a lot lately, but it seemed the proper reward for finally doing a rough-out on my taxes. When I double check it and send it in, I'll celebrate with the Sazerac.
Bob

cowdery
03-31-2005, 19:32
God Bless Guthrie, but I've seen Old Bourbon Hollow at Old Town in Louisville and at Liquor Barn at both Hurstbourne and Fern Valley, so I guess Beam is cheatin' on 'im.

gr8erdane
03-31-2005, 22:43
Last September when Toddy's was so generous as to offer SB.com members a discount, I took eight bottles of bourbon not to be found in Missouri to the counter and Guthrie rung up the total and added that one more 11 dollar bottle would get me the extra discount. When I asked him for a suggestion, Old Bourbon Hollow was what he told me. According to him at that time, OBH was indeed a Beam bourbon and one that was purchased by most Beam employees. I have tasted it and while not finding it objectionable, neither have I found it particularly noteworthy. For the price, not a bad bourbon though.

You have to wonder though if his suggestion was more to move slow moving stock? http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-01-2005, 05:36
After a little more than a week of being unable to drink, doctor's orders, I am enjoying several bourbons tonight. I started with Olde St. Nick 8 yr 43% bourbon. I started a thread about that bourbon elsewhere. After a small pour of that, drunk slowly, I Had a bit of Old Grand Dad 114. First time to have that. Good, the rye is right there, no nonsense. Opened a bottle of Jim Beam Black too. Drinking that now.
Ed

sharkman
04-01-2005, 19:17
Gotta say, tonight it's Cabo Wabo Anejo, refired beans, and tortilla chips!!! Had a friend pick me up a bottle of CW Anejo in Mexico ($45US). It's good, but it's not bourbon. We pay $79+ in Ohio for CW Anejo!!! Ouch...

Somehow, I feel like I'm cheating on the group tonight... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/icon_redface.gif

TNbourbon
04-01-2005, 20:28
Just sitting down after a long, mediocre (rain, other discouraging stuff) day, I'm debating over a couple of liquor-store finds -- tax-stamped 375ml bottles of Stitzel-Weller Old Fitz BIB or Old Weller Antique 107. I think I'm going with the 107 since I've never had it (may be a mistake to start with a S-W version) and many of y'all say nice things about it.
We'll see.

After tasting:
Well, drat it! I love this stuff! And I found just two 375ml bottles, with scant chance of finding many other old S-W ones. The closest match that comes to mind is the ORVW 15yo, and that's pretty fair company. It's much darker than I'd expect from a 7yo -- just starting to show some red -- and the nose has that candy-apple aroma the ORVW15 has. Same proof, too, though noticeably lighter on the tongue. But the finish is very long, just touching hot.
I sure hope the current BT version stands up to this, but you can bet I'm going to try it.

camduncan
04-02-2005, 15:10
After a fairly hectic Saturday, I sat back before dinner and relaxed with a pour of Pappy 15yo followed by Old Rip Van Winkle 12yo Lot B..
The 15yo was mind-blowing - it's hard to believe it is only 107 proof (it actually reminded me of a stronger, more refined Bookers.) It had a rich fruity taste and I thought could detect some of the smokiness from the oak.
The 12yo was much lighter and probably more to my liking for a regular weekend pour - the 15yo I'd probably only break out once a month or so as a special 'treat'.
In hindsight, I probably should have tried these the other way around as my tastebuds couldn't pick the lighter notes in the 12yo (after the strength of the 15yo)
After a beautiful BBQ dinner and some 'fine' Easter chocolate, I finished the night with a **gasp** Southern Comfort & Coke.

brian12069
04-03-2005, 04:46
It was a very rainy night here. The wife and I stayed home in our bar. We played some pinball and Gorf...and I enjoyed some Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year 107 proof http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

sharkman
04-03-2005, 20:02
Wasn't Gorf that game with a bunch of different little games at each level? I loved that game as a kid. I haven't heard that name in over 20 years! What a blast from the past. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif

Oh, drinking the "Ridgewood" Reserve tonight. Opened the one bottle I had before the whole lawsuit thingy. Not a bad pour...

RedVette
04-04-2005, 16:43
Big fat pour of Buffalo Trace, boy I like this stuff. If only it were available locally, I wouldn't feel like I needed to ration the stuff. Oh well, I'm down to one bottle, time to put in another order with Binny's.

brian12069
04-04-2005, 19:12
Jeffersons tonight...

Gillman
04-04-2005, 19:32
Bulleit: light nose of soot and candy, the taste even more candy-like with the trademark wintergreen edge. The mouthfeel is soft and sweetish with afternotes of wood, light smoke and ethanol. Perhaps just a shade too bitter in the aftertaste otherwise it is perfect. One of the great American whiskies, this current incarnation (the second Bulleit) is an instant classic and yet, due to methodical development at Four Roses whose work in bourbon spans generations going back to the Seagram labs of the 1930's and beyond, offers the dignified taste of old-time sour mash. The old Yellowstone was somewhat like this, fruity and light but elegant, soft, rich. I find this taste superior to the tannic bite often held up as the acme of modern bourbon taste.

Gary

jeff
04-06-2005, 18:08
Here you go Gary http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

sharkman
04-06-2005, 20:54
Eagle Rare 10yr single Barrel... and lots of it!!!

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif....... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif

Rancastle
04-07-2005, 17:33
Tonight, for the second night in a row,2005 Stagg. And it was well worth the wait http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

brian12069
04-09-2005, 03:59
Tonight...one nice glass of Old Rip Van Winkle 10 yr 107 proof...love that stuff. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif

camduncan
04-09-2005, 06:08
Tonight at a local on the inner north side of town it was 2 choices - Jim Beam White or Cougar. I went with the Beam, but couldn't get the taste for it neat. After a couple on the rocks, I went back to the 'ol' faithful' - Jim Beam & coke. Had about a dozen of those and a real nice steak http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/yum.gif

camduncan
04-10-2005, 17:16
Last night it was a couple of pours of Jim Beam BIB
The first neat, the 2nd over ice.
Definate caramel and honey notes coming through.

pete_d
04-11-2005, 04:50
Tonight it was some Woodford Reserve batch #003, a lot nicer than I remembered. I hadn't had any for a few months.
Yesterday I finished off my EWSB94, to celebrate the purchase of the EWSB95. Quick swig of the 95 shows a lot hotter, bolder and less dry whisky than the 94. I'm liking the newer bottling a lot.

Cam, how does the JB BIB compare to the JB Black of Knob Creek? Seems like an expensive drop.

sharkman
04-11-2005, 19:36
Spring Stagg!!! Thanks to Dawn, luv2hunt. She selflessly got a bottle for me after reading a post I made several weeks ago about not being able to get any in my state. She stepped up to the plate after no other member replied to my posting. It is this kind of thoughtfullness that renews my faith in our fellow man (and woman, Dawn!) Everyone should tip their hats to her for being a great person. I know I'm tipping my hat as I'm tipping my glass of Stagg! Thanks Dawn!

Now, this is a great whiskey! Bravo Buffalo Trace! Outstanding! Wonderful mouth feel for a 130.9 proof whiskey. Great nose, spice and citrus palate, nice oak finish. Icredible!!!

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-12-2005, 08:46
Had some Evan Williams single barrel 1993 at the bar. Three nice big pours. Lovely bourbon. At first sip I thought it good, really good, but not outstanding. But everytime I when to get another glass I found I didn't want to switch to one of the other wonderful bourbons they stock.
Ed

clayton
04-12-2005, 10:18
Poured one of the old standbys, WT Russell's Reserve, last night. That is some thick, delicious bourbon. To me, it has one of the heaviest mouthfeels of all the bottles on my shelf. Rich and full flavored.

Gillman
04-12-2005, 11:04
Agreed, it is a very rich-flavoured drink and given a very high rating by the way by Jim Murray in his Whisky Bible (he also is a strong supporter of Geo. T. Stagg). I think I prefer it to Tribute, or the ones I have had. These whiskies have a very obvious charred barrel influence. Since they are entered at relatively low proofs they come out with a big barrel taste, sometimes it seems more woody than charred or vanillin-like, but each bottle seems different, too. In Samuel M'Harry's 1809 distilling manual which I highly recommend (see www.raudins.com (http://www.raudins.com) to obtain the reprint) there is a reference to the desirability of "branding" casks. This is in the context of a discussion about adding "Bohea tea" (green tea leaves I believe) to whiskey barrels to darken the colour after subjecting the whiskey to a filtering in maple charcoal. It is unclear if M'Harry means the casks should be fired on the inside or that the maker's name should be branded on the cask head. I think he means the latter although initially I thought it was the former. The focus is so much on quick aging that I think M'Harry is saying if anyone sells whiskey made in this way and identifies the casks as his he will get repeat business. Earlier in the book, there is a specific reference to burning the inside of casks to "sweeten" (clean and deodorize) them but there is no mention of any benefit on the whiskey from aging in such barrels and in fact he seems to be talking about mash tuns and that type of equipment because he advises to keep burning the casks over (in particular) the summer, so clearly he is talking about barrels that are used and emptied fairly quickly. At the same time, M'Harry mentions a few times in the book the advantages of drinking "aged" whiskey but he never links it specifically to storage in new charred wood. He refers to the benefits on the product of sending whiskey by boat far away but again never in terms of what kind of barrel to use. So this book does not really resolve anything in terms of the historical question of when whiskey started to be aged methodically in new charred wood. I believe Wild Turkey's products are pretty close to what some bourbon in 1809 was like, possibly Rare Breed for example (being a combination of different-aged Wild Turkey bourbon, and grocers, dealers and other intermediaries might have combined whiskeys of different ages to consolidate and possibly balance the taste of their stock).

Gary

wrbriggs
04-12-2005, 15:21
Tonight, as my first drink of the night, I am having some Rock Hill Farms to celebrate the addition of our newest family member, Norman. Norman was an abused /neglected puppy that we adopted this morning from our city's Animal Control officer. He's fitting right in with our other dog, and everything checked out ok at the vet.

Cheers, everyone!

bobbyc
04-12-2005, 15:37
Norman was an abused /neglected puppy that we adopted this morning



There's a fair number of dog lovers here, congratulations on finding and saving this little guy!

Cheers http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

jeff
04-12-2005, 15:39
I'll toast Norman with a bit of 4 Roses yellow label http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Recently this expression has started appealing to me more and more. True it's a light-bodied, low-proof bourbon, but it's full of flavor and character. I just polished off the last of an open bottle. I have 4 more bottles, all signed by Jim Rutledge from various events. I hate to open one of those, but I hate the thought of spending more money when there are 4 at home. Hmm?

camduncan
04-14-2005, 13:29
I couldn't post this yesterday - was a bit to crook http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
The night before last we had my folks up for the night. They'd been helping me put the shelves in behind our bar.
My Mum & Jen were off discussing the wedding plans (secret womens business - Dad & I weren't invited http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)
So, as blokes do, we decided to head downstairs to the bar and try some of the bourbon that we'd just put up on the shelves http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
To put it in perspective, I'd had 4 solid bourbon and cokes before and with dinner and Dad had consumed 3 or 4 full strength beers and a couple of glasses of wine.

We grabbed some whiskey glasses and some distilled water to rinse our mouths with and proceeded to taste.
We worked our way through tasting the following bottles neat - Pappy 15yo, ORVW 12yo, Wild Turkey Rye, ORVW 13yo Rye, EC12yo, some Bookers to finish on a blast and then sipped some Wild Turkey Liquor for the nightcap...
It was a fun night, and the first real session at the new bar http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Needless to say, yesterday my head felt like a frozen pineapple http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/falling.gif

gr8erdane
04-14-2005, 16:30
Sounds like you and your Dad should encourage the gals to have more "girls nights out". Wish I could get my Dad to party with me again. Alas, he has found religion and religion has found him. We had a blast when we both went back to college together and went to the bars in Columbia. He always had all the good looking business school gals hanging around him. Guess they figured at his age he was harmless.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif

sharkman
04-14-2005, 19:50
On an opposite sad note. I am drinking my VW Rye 13yr tonight being sad about having to put my Cocker Spaniel, Tia, down on Monday. She has to many medical problems and she'll be much better off a sleep forever. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

She is a beautiful girl and going to be missed. Raise your glass for her...

bluesbassdad
04-14-2005, 22:40
Barry,

I offer my sympathy, and I commend you for your courage. Tia's trust in you to do what's best for her is well placed.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

monte
04-15-2005, 00:07
I'm allergic to dogs, so I can't have one, but cocker spaniels are one of the sweetest breeds - truly great dogs with a lot of heart and a lot of soul. One of my earliest friends had a cocker spaniel and she was a great dog - I can understand why you are so fond... I can still remember her now, 30 years later.

So, I will raise this glass now and toast your wonderul pal... here's to her and her lasting memory!


All the best...

-monte-

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-15-2005, 08:01
Sorry to hear about your loss. Reat in peace, Tia.
Ed

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-16-2005, 07:37
A little tour de force tonight. I started with couple of pours from a newly opened bottle of Ancient Age 80 proof. Not bad at all, a little light, not very spicy, not much wood. Followed that with a small pour of Ancient Ancient Age 10 year old 86 proof. Noticeably better. Still the AA was a nice pour and cheap, too. Half or less than what I usually pay for bourbon.

I later I had a pour of Old Fitzgerald 86 proof. Somehow the wheaties just don't float my boat. It isn't a bad bourbon and I know that a lot of people like it. I wonder what a really well aged wheatie would taste like?

I decided that it was time for a more flavorful bourbon and switched to Elijah Craig 12 year old. Killed my old bottle in fact. I then proceeded to spill most of it. Argh! Fortunately, there was a fresh bottle waiting in the wings! That is what I am drinking now. Not only is my boat afloat, it is hovering!

So, that is three distilleries tonight. Buffalo Trace (AA and AAA) not their very best offerings, (I was drinking them last night!) Brown-Forman (Old Fitz) and Heaven Hill (Elijah Craig)

So, I had to have a sip of Even Williams 7 year old (Heaven Hill) to compare it to the Elijah Craig. Lighter, sweeter, not as spicy. Awfully good though.

BTW, if I have mixed up the distilleries feel free to correct me. I have been looking for my reference books so I could check, alas, to no avail.
Ed

bluesbassdad
04-16-2005, 12:31
Edward,



BTW, if I have mixed up the distilleries feel free to correct me. I have been looking for my reference books so I could check, alas, to no avail.



You may find this list (http://www.straightbourbon.com/brands.php?choice=bottling) helpful. I can't vouch for the currency of every item, but I think Jim enlisted a StraightBourbonian to update it within the last few months.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

Ken Weber
04-16-2005, 15:34
Quick FYI, Old Fitz is HH, not Brown-Forman. Old Forester is the BF bourbon.
Ken

TNbourbon
04-16-2005, 20:11
After some active trading (and sampling http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif), I've been down to just 3 bottles of A.H. Hirsch 16yo for a while, and have been hesitant to open another. But today, I was in a well-stocked store just to browse, and again spotted a line of gold-wax Hirsch 16 that has been there for some while. I decided to put back a couple of lesser items I'd picked up (just to have my hands full, you know http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), and grab another Hirsch to open.
Well, it's open and I'm sipping it as I write. In an adjacent glass is some original Michter's decanted from a King Tut decanter, which was issued in 1978 -- so both whiskeys may well have been distilled in 1974 (we know the Hirsch was). The extra years in the wood are obvious in both the nose and the taste of the 16yo, though in appearance it is lighter than I would have imagined, at least compared to the younger Michter's.
As I've noted some other times, I believe I like the younger Michter's better, but in no way is that meant to disparage the Hirsch, which is a fine bourbon. But the years in barrel have added a medicinal astringency to it that is absent in the clean and crisp, fall-apple-like motif of the Michter's. And the underlying similarities are so striking it's no surprise the Hirsch turned into the outstanding pour it is -- it began as a wonderful base whiskey.

Afterthought/after-action report: I had the brainstorm with about a half-ounce of each left, to try a Gillmanesque (that is an accepted bourbon term, right?) vatting, fulling expecting the 16yo to overwhelm the younger, lighter whiskey. Boy, was I pleasantly wrong -- it really is a nice, equal-footing marriage. The oak is obviously present, but much subsumed by inherent fruitiness that was probably present in both renditions, but masked by the wood in the older version. To this old farm-boy orchard hand, the nose is a wonderful caramel apple/vanilla combo -- one of the nicest I've found. On the palate, the flavors are perhaps a little blander -- but, in the case of that medicinal acidity, that's a good thing. The finish has a light touch, but long temper -- it doesn't blow you away, but neither does it go away. If I don't drink all this good whiskey up doing this experiment again (and again!), I might bring these two to the Sampler for some others' opinions.

monte
04-17-2005, 00:12
I've vatted a mixture of Old Grand Dad 114 and Old Weller Antique (7 year, 107 proof) for my "road flask" and the results are mighty nice. I've done a 1:1 mixture of these two whiskeys, more or less, most of the time, and have been very happy with it.

I get a lot of the fine points of each component spirit, but have the benefits of addition in that the weaker aspects of each spirit seem to be compensated by the other spirit quite well.

I'm rather fond of this 'vatting' - check it out for yourself and let me know what you think!!


Regards,

-monte-

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-17-2005, 05:38
Thanks Ken,
I had the distillery right and the bourbon wrong. Old Forester 86 proof. That makes rye the small grain. Not a wheatie after all.
Ed

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-17-2005, 05:45
Thanks Dave,
I had seen this list, but had forgotten about it. You saved me a lot of work as i had been planning to try to sort out the distillers and their whiskies. Now all I have to do is sort out the mash bills so I don't say anything daft on that topic...
Ed

RedVette
04-17-2005, 14:24
I've vatted a mixture of Old Grand Dad 114 and Old Weller Antique (7 year, 107 proof) for my "road flask" and the results are mighty nice.



This one piqued my interest, so I am enjoying a blend of these two right now. Very strong alcohol, but still very tasty. Individually, both of these are my second favorites among their brands, I prefer BIB to 114 and 12 yr old Weller to Antique 107. This combination is still too aggressive to be an everyday pour, but for an interesting change of pace, it will do just fine.

Gillman
04-17-2005, 17:15
Great notes, Tim, wow, a vatting of the original and one-off Hirsch version of the classic Pennsylvania Michter's whiskies. Well done!

Gary

Gillman
04-17-2005, 17:18
Yes but how would it taste with a dash of good water? This combo sounds great to me, well done, Monte.

Gary

monte
04-18-2005, 00:25
This one piqued my interest, so I am enjoying a blend of these two right now. Very strong alcohol, but still very tasty. Individually, both of these are my second favorites among their brands, I prefer BIB to 114 and 12 yr old Weller to Antique 107. This combination is still too aggressive to be an everyday pour, but for an interesting change of pace, it will do just fine.



For some reason, I've been into higher proof bourbon recently, probably because it usually goes along with larger flavor (less dilution from the barrel). This mixture is pretty strong though, so I can understand why it might not be approachable all the time.

Part of what I find nice about this mixture is that I think both of these bourbons are flawed somehow but the mixture works out a lot better than either alone. And, the price of each component is very low compared to what a "real" bouron that tastes this good would normally cost.

I just cooked up a Weller 12 / OGD BIB mixture, and it is pretty nice, and a good bit more gentle. There's something about the old 'wood' in the weller 12 that I sometimes like, but sometimes find too prominent. Also, I miss the phenolic taste of the OGD114 countered by the sweetness of the Weller antique - sort of like a sweet-sour matchup. After a few minutes, the W12/OGD-BIB settles into something really much more sophisticated than it should be, so maybe there's something to this mixture??

Interesting stuff...

monte
04-18-2005, 00:33
Yes but how would it taste with a dash of good water? This combo sounds great to me, well done, Monte.

Gary



Hey, thanks for the nod... yes, it stands up to water pretty well in my experience, although I usually like "younger" spirits like this at higher proof.

Regards,

-monte-

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-18-2005, 05:16
I would really like to try this but I have never seen any of the Wellers. I have the OGD 114, can anyone suggest an alternative?
Ed

RedVette
04-18-2005, 16:25
I would really like to try this but I have never seen any of the Wellers. I have the OGD 114, can anyone suggest an alternative?
Ed



Makers is a wheater, like the Wellers, so it might work, but it is missing much of the wood in the Wellers. I think it might not fare so well against the brutal 114, the Makers might be too polite. Any of the Van Winkles would do, but I could never bring myself to blend any of them, I don't trust myself enough.

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-19-2005, 06:08
Thanks, RedVette.
I do have a bottle of Maker's Mark Red. A Gold VIP, too, but that is not open yet. I did try mixing the MM Red with Wild Turkey Rye once to see it what it was 'lacking' (My humble opinion only) was rye. I found from that experiment that I was missing the rye in the mash bill. The vatting wasn't really successful in the sense that I wanted to do it again, but it did tell me something about my taste in bourbon. I will try again with the OGD 114 and see what developes.
Ed

clayton
04-19-2005, 10:23
I shared a couple glasses of Weller 12 with someone last night who was completely unfamiliar with good bourbon, or any bourbon beyond JB White. She was thoroughly impressed, and I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves the vodka drinks behind.

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-19-2005, 15:28
I had a couple of pours of Knob Creek last night. Really nice bourbon. I followed that with a smallish pour of Booker's, it had better be small as it is 63.5 % abv, the KC is 45% abv. I should bring the Booker's down to 45% and taste them head to head. I will have to replace both of these bottles soon as they are getting rather low. Both of these are Jim Beam products.

I had had a pour of Knob Creek the night before after drinking some Wild Turkey Rare Breed. That night I had noticed a strong flavor of licorice or anise in the KC. Mainly in the first two sips then it faded. That is something that I have read about but never noticed in bourbon. It wasn't very noticeable last night. It just goes to show that what comes before has a big influence on what you see in what comes after. I will have to try them in reverse order, maybe tonight.
Ed

musher
04-19-2005, 17:01
I had a couple of pours of Knob Creek last night. Really nice bourbon. I followed that with a smallish pour of Booker's, it had better be small as it is 63.5 % abv, the KC is 45% abv.



Really?! I wonder why it is only 45%, since KC is 50% ABV here in the US.

Edward_call_me_Ed
04-19-2005, 22:01
Really?! I wonder why it is only 45%, since KC is 50% ABV here in the US.


Oops. I am going to have to move my whiskey bottles next to the computer. I guess I mixed up the age and the proof.
Ed

monte
04-27-2005, 21:41
Tonight it's Eagle Rare 10 SB, a whiskey that I liked a whole lot at the end of last year but didn't get to taste much of in the past months, as my attentions were turned elsewhere. Now, returning to it, I realize (once again!) how nice this stuff is! What a fine whiskey!!

-monte-

brian12069
04-28-2005, 03:27
Last night...a couple pours of Bulliet...