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mbanu
06-04-2005, 00:59
I know US law states that bourbon has to be a minimum of two years old, but I don't think I've ever spotted anything under the age of four. I'm curious what a very young bourbon tastes like, and idea what brands I should be looking for?

Hedmans Brorsa
06-04-2005, 03:06
Didnīt Old Crow used to have a 3yo-statement on the bottleneck but maybe thatīs a thing of the past?

It was ages since I last looked at a bottle.

Gillman
06-04-2005, 05:08
I believe Ancient Age bourbon is 36 months old.

Gary

boone
06-04-2005, 05:41
Kentucky Gold, the back label states...24 months old. It's available in a 4 year...and a blended 70/30 and 80/20 too.

Bettye Jo

TNbourbon
06-04-2005, 07:39
Kentucky Gold, the back label states...24 months old. It's available in a 4 year...and a blended 70/30 and 80/20 too.



Ah, yes -- from the famed "Quality Control Distilling Co.". Bettye Jo, do you happen to know where the bourbon version of this bottling is marketed? I've been trying to find it for some forum members, but all I can locate here in TN is the blended whiskey version (which, unsurprisingly, carries no age statement). I believe some of our Australian posters have noted its availability there. Is it export-only?

bulldawg
06-04-2005, 10:24
It's been awhile since I looked at a bottle of Old Crow also, but I too was under the impression that it is 3 yrs old.

BobA
06-04-2005, 12:38
I'm pretty sure Old Crow says 36 months. I usually buy a bottle around the holidays for a lady who likes it. At $10 a liter, it is a cheap, amusing, yet appreciated, gift. Her husband is a scotch drinker and just shakes his head. I haven't tasted Old Crow in years.

I'm fairly sure I've seen something that says 24 months, but can't think what it was. A bottom Barton brand? I'll keep my eyes open.

Bob

Barrel_Proof
06-04-2005, 16:32
These straight bourbons are among those whose labels proudly announce their status as three year olds:

Heaven Hill Ultra Deluxe
J.W. Dant Olde
Old 1889

angelshare
06-04-2005, 17:36
If you're in VA, Bowman's Bourbon (at least as Joe Dangler at A. S. Bowman led me to believe) is in the ballpark of 40 months old, sometimes less. Might be interesting to do a side-by-side of Bowman's with VG 90, the older, higher proof version of the same whiskey. Hmmm...you've inspired me to try that sometime!

I'm glad to see that you have an interest in young whiskey. I personally believe that young whiskey has a unique, lively character that I think tends to disappear beyond four years of aging. IMHO IW Harper 4 yo retains the liveliness and yet begins to have the "smoothness" of the barrel - the perfect example of a bourbon on the cusp. It's about to lose that lively "zing," but doesn't.

boone
06-04-2005, 20:07
Kentucky Gold is not a export only kinda bottling...It's one of youngest 80 proof, 24 month, Kentucky Straight Bourbon's that I have labeled. One of the biggest blunders in a label machine operator's job is "overlooking" the back label with the small print (24 months old http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/icon_redface.gif)

At one time, I held the title as label machine operator...for nearly seven years http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I don't miss that job at all!

I will check the codes to see where it's shipped.

Bettye Jo

dougdog
06-04-2005, 20:24
My son found a bottle of Hickory Hills #12, 36 months old....

dog

bobbyc
06-05-2005, 06:20
Looks like he has a rarity if for no other reason than the tendrils of wax. Looks like they slipped those though without Maker's noticing them and getting Hiriam Walkers lawyers to send them a letter, or they were made before Makers thought of the drips as a trademark. The spot with the "12" looks like the wax blob on the VIP bottle. Good find, a 3 year Bourbon worthy of wax seal a la Maker's Mark! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif

BobA
06-05-2005, 17:42
I looked around a store last night. Old Crow, regular Ancient Age, and Walker's Deluxe were all 3 yrs. old. A bottle of Kentucky Gold, which was a 80/20 blend, says 24 months. I'm pretty sure that was the 2 year I was thinking of.
Bob

bobbyc
06-06-2005, 10:17
I doubt if it is in production now, but I looked at a mini I got from Tim at the sampler. It is Crab Ochard and a whopping 1 year and 3 month bourbon. Oddly it has the depth of color one would see with 4 to 6 year boubon. Believe me, it's hard for the color to show though in those minis.

Barrel_Proof
06-06-2005, 10:26
I, too, have a mini that is less than 2 years old. It's a 1 year old Cream of Kentucky Bourbon from the Schenley days.

Gillman
06-06-2005, 10:30
These fall under the rare category of "bourbon" but not straight bourbon. Straight must be aged at least two years. Bourbon, if not straight, must be aged for a time, not otherwise specified, presumably long enough to have the characteristics commonly attributed to bourbon.

Gary

bobbyc
06-06-2005, 12:13
Straight must be aged at least two years.



Agreed, Gary, but I have a bit of an anomaly with my Crab Ochard bottling. It says Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey on the front label. Then the rear label with the "This Whiskey is 1 year and Three Months Old". Since it is a product of the American Medicinal Spirits Corporation, I'm thinking Prohibition era. It now might seem I have something of a rarity on my hands. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

TNbourbon
06-06-2005, 13:00
...Crab Orchard...a whopping 1 year and 3 month bourbon...



Many was the time I almost popped that sucker open just to quell the intrigue. I found a picture of an identical bottle on a Japanese mini collector's site from 1938, so my guess is that is near its vintage. Dated Crab Orchard picture (http://www.ne.jp/asahi/miniature/smallworld/BourbonC.htm)
And, Gary, you'll note that today's legal definition of 'straight' bourbon only dates to the mid-'60s. Apparently, it had a different meaning (or meanings) prior to that.

bobbyc
06-06-2005, 15:31
so my guess is that is near its vintage.



Yes Number 1 of the Crab Orchard row is the same age and looks to be the same in all other respects except that the one I am holding for you, Tim is filled to the top, nearly, of the Crab Orchard letters. I'd be pleased to share a drink of it or if you'd rather cart it off, I understand. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Gillman
06-06-2005, 15:33
Absolutely you have an oldie on your hands, Bobby, that's 1930's stock and the rules were different then. What's it taste like??

Gary

bobbyc
06-06-2005, 15:49
What's it taste like??



When I picked it up yesterday, I planned to drink it but paused when I read the label. If Tim wants it back, I'm giving it to him, he was beyond generous with his tax stamped minis and other offerings at the sampler. Actually his post asking for an evaluation of some of those was what sent me after it to begin with. I have a few others I'll try instead. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

TNbourbon
06-06-2005, 17:07
Bobby, I directed it to you knowing that you'd appreciate both its historical significance and taste better than I. That said, I would be proud to taste it with you -- and Gary, if he's available -- at the first opportunity that arises.
Under no circumstance, however, do I intend to reclaim it.

bobbyc
06-06-2005, 17:49
That said, I would be proud to taste it with you -- and Gary, if he's available -- at the first opportunity that arises.



Done,I would ask to have Cliff in as well, we would have about 10 mil each, more than enough to pass judgement on. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/woohoo.gif

Gillman
06-06-2005, 18:12
A gent, as always. But Bobby if you'd be minded to taste it I'd be interested in your analysis. I've heard that back then, they used in some cases smaller barrels than is normal, to age the product faster - so in fact although quite young it may taste like 3-4 year old bourbon of today. I always wonder with such things:

i) is it recognizably bourbon, i.e., as we know it today

ii) if not, what does it taste like?

iii) if it is bourbon-like, which bourbon of today is it closest to? Would anyone (who knows whiskey) think, oh this is a bourbon such as we'd see in the range available today, or would he think, no this is something quite different?

Gary

TNbourbon
06-06-2005, 20:23
...I would ask to have Cliff in as well, we would have about 10 mil each, more than enough to pass judgment on...



And I am always glad to raise a glass with Cliff, too http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif. Only a bit over 3 months to the Festival... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif

Barrel_Proof
06-06-2005, 21:26
...I would ask to have Cliff in as well, we would have about 10 mil each, more than enough to pass judgment on...



And I am always glad to raise a glass with Cliff, too http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/drink.gif. Only a bit over 3 months to the Festival... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/toast.gif


I'll drink to that! Thanks gentlemen!