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BobA
08-16-2005, 14:45
Are these the same mashbills? A couple of times, usually on first taste of the Stagg, I am reminded, fleetingly, of OC 12. I like OC 12 just fine, but that hasn't happened with any other bourbon. Just curious.

Bob

Ken Weber
08-17-2005, 08:06
George T. Stagg and Old Charter come from BT Mash Bill #1, same as Buffalo Trace and Eagle Rare.

Ken

BobA
08-17-2005, 08:35
That's interesting. I've always thought of OC as one of the most distinctive tasting bourbons out there, and I've never made any connection between OC and ER, despite that they are two pretty common pours for me. Thanks.

Bob

Edward_call_me_Ed
08-17-2005, 08:58
Thanks for the top secret information, Ken!

I am surprised though. I had understood that Old Charter was from a very high corn mashbill. Chuck Couwdrey's book says more than 80% corn. Is this true? Much as I would like to know please don't tell any real secrets.

And what other bourbons are made from what other mashbills? If that is not asking too much...
Ed http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/thankyousign.gif

Ken Weber
08-17-2005, 09:01
I have to be very careful, but suffice it to say that Chuck is a pretty smart guy!

Ken

barturtle
08-17-2005, 10:32
George T. Stagg and Old Charter come from BT Mash Bill #1, same as Buffalo Trace and Eagle Rare



Sounds like we need a bonded 10yr Old Charter to replace our beloved Eagle Rare 101. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Also interesting that I had chosen the 12yr Old Charter as my new house pour, now that the Eagle Rare 101 was not readily available.

musher
08-17-2005, 20:37
George T. Stagg and Old Charter come from BT Mash Bill #1, same as Buffalo Trace and Eagle Rare.

Ken



I don't supposed you'd be able to confirm (or deny) my suspicion that AAA, Elmer T Lee and Rock Hill Farms are from a common mashbill as well (#2, perhaps?)?

brewcrew
08-18-2005, 07:45
Ken posted this in a different post.

"BT mashbill #2 (AAA) also produced Blanton's, Elmer T. Lee, Rock Hill Farms, Hancock's, and couple others."

Edward_call_me_Ed
08-18-2005, 08:56
Thanks BrewCrew,
I thought I had seen something like this under Ken's name, but I couldn't be sure as my memory is, is, is, ?
I am going to write this down before I forget what your post was about.
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Ed

angelshare
08-18-2005, 12:16
That's interesting. I've always thought of OC as one of the most distinctive tasting bourbons out there, and I've never made any connection between OC and ER



Ditto - we love OC, especially the 12 year but never connected it with ER. Ought to do a side by side!

On another OC note - is OC's distribution getting more limited? It seems like we used to have no trouble finding it when travelling through MD, but recently one stray 1.75L OC 8 yo was all we turned up.

BobA
08-18-2005, 13:17
I can't say if the OC distribution is becomming limited, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's pretty common here in GA, but as I keep my eyes open for the 13-yr. PR (no luck), I have noticed that the 8-yr. isn't everywhere; many stores will have the 10 and 12, but no 8. That may reflect a supply issue, or just some pricing/inventory experience. The 8 is usullay a few dollars more than most other base, 80 proof pours, including BT's Benchmark (but not JB white, which is about the same price as the OC). Maybe that reflects the 8 years of inventory taxes, etc., but the 7-yr. EW and 6-yr. VOB (even at 90 proof) are under $10, while the the 8-yr. OC is usually $13-14. Would think they'd be closer in price.

Bob

Ken Weber
08-22-2005, 08:32
Old Charter is a growing brand, which is good and bad. As it, Weller, Van Winkle, Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare SB, etc., continue to grow, we are facing an allocation problem on everything we produce. There are occassional out-of-stock situations, but we are trying very hard to limit them. As an FYI, Old Charter 12 year old has become one of our sales forces favorite everyday bourbons, next to BT.

Ken

BobA
08-22-2005, 09:23
I'm sure keeping up with the demand for all your good bourbons is difficult. And I'm not surprised that the OC 12 is a favorite in-house. I'm still casting a wide net of exploration, but if I settled on 4 or 5 to keep around for regular pours, OC 12 would be one of them. Oddly, when I take it on a camping/fishing trip and put it on the table, I end up bringing most of it home, even when what I think of as notably lesser bourbons get emptied; probably my frineds just have no taste (as their choice in friends indicates). I suspect the story would be different if I put out a bottle of Stagg, but we'll never know.

Bob