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kbuzbee
09-26-2005, 05:42
Anyone know of Christmas packing to watch out for?? A few years ago I got some nice rocks glasses with Rare Breed. Last year Don Julio Tequila came with some nice little mini snifters.... Just wondering if anyone has seen or heard anything.

Ken

Sweetmeats
09-26-2005, 08:28
All I've seen so far has been Christmas packaging for Cazadores Tequila. There are two different versions. One with a margarita glass I saw at my local Sams Club, and one with two small snifters at my local liquor store.

Sweetmeats
11-08-2005, 07:41
I picked up a Christmas package of Wild Turkey 101. It comes with two low ball glasses with the turkey etched at the bottom. At 17.99, it was a steal! Anybody see any bourbon packages with a flask?

Also, if anyone likes Jack Daniels, Costco had a fantastic wood case with regular Jack, Gentleman Jack and Single Barrel in it. It has a glass window with Jack Daniels etched on it.

kbuzbee
11-08-2005, 10:20
I saw the WT package as well. Nice. I liked the glasses better when they did the Rare Breed package. Those were very nice quality.

Ken

DrinkyBanjo
11-08-2005, 12:00
Last year Glenmorangie came with a set of four Blenders Nosing Glasses. They came in handy!

Chaz7
11-08-2005, 15:37
I don't remember, but someone is doing a combo flask/cigar holder. It looks interesting. I would jump at the Glenmorangie. A lot of stores here either pull the sets to sell this time of year, or some break them apart and sell the gifts seperately. Now that sounds like a rip at first, but I bought a shaker for $2.00 from a vodka I would not spend 50 cents on.

Sweetmeats
11-08-2005, 15:41
A lot of stores here either pull the sets to sell this time of year, or some break them apart and sell the gifts seperately.



Is that...legal?

TNbourbon
11-08-2005, 17:04
A lot of stores here either pull the sets to sell this time of year, or some break them apart and sell the gifts seperately.



Is that...legal?



Depends on where it is. Here is Tennessee, no. We can't sell anything -- not even a corkscrew for your wine purchase -- that doesn't have an alcohol content (even our mixers have 1% abv) unless it's packaged with liquor/wine. Thus we can sell gift sets -- but only if intact.
Lots of places (he said, in an understatement) have more liberal alcohol sales laws, however.

Speedy_John
11-09-2005, 04:50
I believe it's Jim Beam Black that comes with the flask/cigar holder.

SpeedyJohn

Ken Weber
11-09-2005, 11:16
We at BTD looked into providing glassware or some other holiday gift, but then we had to consider the following:
Cost of quality rock glass with imprint: $1.50
Cost of special gift carton to hold glass: tooling $3800 plus $2.25 per box
Cost of inserting glass into special box: $.50 per box
Cost of special shipping master carton to hold 6 gift boxes: tooling $1800 plus $1.40 per shipper

Now assuming we provided 2 rocks glasses for the 750ml size BT only (one glass is kind of cheap) and we produce 5,000 cases (since only 6 bottles will fit into the shipper, we are only selling 2,500 9 liter cases), our total cost is around $185,000 or $6.16 per bottle sold or $74/9 liter case. I can tell you that I only wish we made enough profit on a case of BT to breakeven on this. Suffice it to say, we don't.

It's not that I have anything against gift packs, but bear in mind that distilleries, while moved by the holiday spirit, are in this business to make a profit. If they are still make a profit after producing these gift packs, then I am envious of their profitability.

Ken

chasking
11-10-2005, 09:25
Quite possibly the costs are written off as promotional expenses. Many if not most are bought to give to someone else---a way to get the product into the hands of someone who may not buy it themselves.

Chaz7
11-11-2005, 11:15
Ken,with the cost breakdown you have graciously provided, I am a little more impressed at those gift sets since here in Colorado,they always retail at the same price as those without. I always seek out the gift sets because of the added value; that means sometimes buying when I don't need too. And that could just be why other distillers do it. I will say, while I enjoy Bombay Sapphire, it's not my favorite. But I will usually by their gift sets because of the martini glasses they provide. Don't get me wrong; if a really nasty bottom shelfer had a set of cool glasses, I probably still wouldn't buy. On the other hand, if I purchased a 1.75ltr of Buffalo Trace yesterday, and noticed today a gift set came out, you guessed it, I'd have TWO new bottles on my shelf. As a retail business owner, I could also see the gift sets as a way of thanking the store owners, as it would spur additional holiday sales, adding to their bottom line, which in turn should make them more appriciative of the distillery and their distributor.

EricABQ
11-11-2005, 17:43
I don't remember, but someone is doing a combo flask/cigar holder.



Today I saw a Cutty Sark gift set with cigar holder and a cigar shaped flask.

Glenlivet gift sets were also plentiful.

OneCubeOnly
11-11-2005, 18:59
Ken--don't waste your company's time and money. The whole idea behind a holiday package is twofold: 1. to win over new customers and 2. to reward your brand-loyal faithful.

Let's look at these one at a time:

1. You already have a demand greater than supply (at least at this point). You aren't looking to win people over whom you can't supply.

2. Your brand-loyal (people like yours-truly) don't need some cheap coaster to buy your product.

My advice? Keep churning out your awesome product and don't compromise. Don't follow the way of Maker's Mark and chip away at your quality as a byproduct of marketing.

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Sweetmeats
11-14-2005, 06:59
Wild Turkey 101 gift set at Rite-Aid for 12.99 until 11/17. Needless to say I purchased one and will probably purchase another as 12.99 is a damn good price with or without glasses.

EricABQ
11-26-2005, 12:08
I liked the glasses better when they did the Rare Breed package. Those were very nice quality.

Ken



Were those the one's with the glasses that looked like barrels? I saw some of those today : Bottle of Rare Breed, two barrel shaped glasses and a nice wood/plexiglass box. They've either been issued again this year or our distributor had some left over. Very nice gift set IMO.

kbuzbee
11-27-2005, 07:40
I doubt we are talking about the same glasses. Tim posted this photo a while back. It's the one on the right:

Rare Breed glasses (http://www.straightbourbon.comhttp://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/45450/page//vc/1)

They are very heavy and the taper is about perfect (for me anyway)

I'll keep an eye out for the ones you saw.

Ken

EricABQ
11-27-2005, 12:09
Yes, they are definitely different from those glasses. The one's I saw are basically tumblers that look like barrels. Maybe it is the new set for this year.

SBOmarc
11-28-2005, 07:05
Ken,

After some years in the glass business the figures that you quote are not only accurate but the main reason that these gift packs are now considered a marketing ploy that you as the producer decide to do in spite of the cost. The lead time is huge and the margin low. That being said I will still be keeping my eyes open this year for the bargains that are always there.

jeff
11-28-2005, 11:23
There is a very nice packaging of EWSB 1995 with one lowball glass and a silver "flip jigger", which is a decorative jigger that balances in the rim of the glass and you "flip" the contents into the glass. I bought one of these at the HH Visitor's Center last year and I think I paid $8-10 for it. The cost of the boxed set is the same as the bottle price.

camduncan
11-28-2005, 16:24
Ken--don't waste your company's time and money. The whole idea behind a holiday package is twofold: 1. to win over new customers and 2. to reward your brand-loyal faithful.

Let's look at these one at a time:

1. You already have a demand greater than supply (at least at this point). You aren't looking to win people over whom you can't supply.

2. Your brand-loyal (people like yours-truly) don't need some cheap coaster to buy your product.



Here! Here!
Ken, keep up the great work. When I can get hold of a product from BT, it is always first class http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif
If I want a drink coaster or glass, I simply order it from the web site. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BourbonJoe
11-28-2005, 16:34
Beg to disagree boys. Anytime I can get a bottle of Bourbon with 2 glasses, a string bikini, or anything else for the price of the bottle alone, I'll buy it. I think it has something to do with being frugal. http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif
Joe http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/usflag.gif

camduncan
11-28-2005, 17:30
Anytime I can get a bottle of Bourbon with 2 glasses, a string bikini..



Yep, I've gotta admit, if it has a string bikini in the box it'd suck me in too... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif

gr8erdane
11-28-2005, 19:44
I dunno, never had any problem in aquiring a string bikini if I wanted one, my problem has always been getting the filler. Now if the package came with the filler....

barturtle
11-28-2005, 19:48
It comes with the whiskey, and any filler that won't put on the bikini in exchange for some whiskey.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/70358-devil.gif

JeffRenner
11-29-2005, 06:21
It comes with the whiskey, and any filler that won't put on the bikini in exchange for some whiskey.... http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/70358-devil.gif



Getting the filler into the string bikini is only the start! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/70358-devil.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Jeff

PS - Fans of string bikinis may enjoy the Australian Wicked Weasel Bikinis (http://wickedweasel.com/) site, and especially the biweekly competition (http://galleries.wickedweasel.com/contributors/). (Might be best not to browse this at work, although it is a legitimate site.)

kbuzbee
11-29-2005, 07:53
Anytime I can get a bottle of Bourbon with ... a string bikini ... I'll buy it.http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/smilielol.gif
Joe http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/usflag.gif



That is one image I definately did NOT need! Thanks Joe!!!

Ken

ThomasH
12-04-2005, 20:09
In Ohio, after christmas,the liquor reps come in , take the gifts out of the sets and throw the packages away. usually they place the alcohol on the shelves and let the store owner keep the gifts to do as they please. Some sell them and some give them away to valued customers. Same goes with those 50ml minis attached to the necks of larger bottles. many stores keep them and give away to select customers.

Thomas

fogfrog
12-05-2005, 09:12
I was looking on the net and found this mail order Jim Beam Black with a flask. You can't see the picture of the flask too well in the picture though

http://www.internetwines.com/rws28738.html

BourbonJoe
12-05-2005, 10:13
I just picked one up for 18.95. It is a combination cigar tube and flask. It holds one cigar and the other side, which looks like a cigar tube, is actually a very small flask. Didn't need it but got it free with the whiskey.
Joe http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/graemlins/usflag.gif

Chaz7
12-10-2005, 12:13
Picked up the Jim Beam Black 8 y.o. with the cigar holder flask combo for $13.99. Figured I couldn't go wrong.

Isoflex
12-11-2005, 20:00
Got one also-the Evan Williams with the silver jigger, very nice glass. I didn't "need" an extra bottle of EWSB but got it for the very nice glass.

gr8erdane
12-11-2005, 22:53
What a great marketing ploy, buy a glass get a bottle of bourbon free! Of course the glass would be around $25....

gr8erdane
12-12-2005, 20:22
Not sure that it qualifies as Christmas packaging but I was surfing the internet liquor stores and ran across what seems to me to be a wonderful Christmas item for that special person who is into our favorite beverage. At Shoppers Vineyard in Clifton, NJ (http://shoppersvineyard.com) they have a Buffalo Trace Herd Sampler with the following bottlings as part of the package:
Blantons
Rock Hill Farms
Eagle Rare SB
Elmer T Lee
Hancock's
Old Weller 107 (assuming it's Antique)
and
Weller Centennial

Talk about one stop shopping! I won't post prices because I don't want to appear to be advertising for them but I just wanted to share this info if anyone is looking for something to get a certain short round balding member of this board from Missouri....

TNbourbon
12-12-2005, 21:05
...I won't post prices because I don't want to appear to be advertising for them but I just wanted to share this info if anyone is looking for something to get a certain short round balding member of this board from Missouri....



For whatever it's worth -- and your mileage may vary -- but that's a 15%-20% savings over my local prices for that combo, even before sales tax.

DrinkyBanjo
12-13-2005, 06:07
Luckily for me that is NOT a Christmas special and I only live about 15 miles from that shop.

It is a great place and the only place in NJ that carries the Antique Collection and Van Winkle Rye and 12 YO.

It's a great place to lose a lot of money!

scratchline
01-08-2006, 19:48
If Olde Saint Nick would offer a domestic release of a single bottling from their product line each Christmas, they would sell a lot of bourbon and fill a very nice niche market.