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lifeisgood
04-07-2006, 17:17
How about some feedback on Black Maple Hill 16Y.

lig

TNbourbon
04-07-2006, 17:34
Very woody, very good underneath the wood. Expensive.
Try either the 11yo or 14yo, I'd suggest -- more approachable, and less spendy.

robbyvirus
04-07-2006, 18:13
Very woody, very good underneath the wood. Expensive.
Try either the 11yo or 14yo, I'd suggest -- more approachable, and less spendy.

I agree. I love all the BMHs, but the 11 and 14 yo's are probably the best value for your money. The older ones get quite woody, which I like, but I'm not sure it's worth the extra money. The younger ones are still quite tasty!

lifeisgood
04-07-2006, 18:36
Thanks! I have a bottle of the BMH 16 and Blantons. I have had the Blantons before and was impressed. I did taste a slight woody flavor with the Blantons. Anyway I was going to save one of them for a special occasion! Toasting my son's wedding! And open the other!!!

lig

jeff
04-08-2006, 07:40
BMH 16yo is one of my all-time favorite bourbons. :yum: Let us know what you think of it.

Virus_Of_Life
04-08-2006, 12:45
I do love the BMH 16, but notice that woodiness only slightly - irregardless I like it very much.

Had some of the 11 last night (meant to pour 16) and it is definitely one of my favorites, there is a lot of vanilla caramelly-brown sugaryness on the nose.

luv2hunt
04-09-2006, 11:15
BMH 16yo is one of my all-time favorite bourbons. :yum:

Jeff,
How many all time favorite bourbons do you have?!?!
Dawn

jeff
04-09-2006, 13:01
Jeff,
How many all time favorite bourbons do you have?!?!
Dawn

Seventeen, unless it's a rainy Sunday afternoon:skep:

lifeisgood
04-13-2006, 20:12
I decided to try the BMH 16Y tonight. I did not want to toast my son's wedding with bourbon I did not like! I am not a connoisseur but I have been drinking bourbon a long time and I know what I like and this is good stuff! I didn't detect as woody a flavor as I expected. I would describe this burbon as unique character.

lig

wskybnt
04-15-2006, 09:37
Havent had the 16 but the 11yr is one of my fav's...

TimmyBoston
06-01-2006, 03:53
I love the 16, I think it's absolutely fantastic. Woody and quite sweet with the typical BMH rustic charm. I also enjoy the 11, but the 14 is too dry for my taste.

scopenut
06-01-2006, 15:11
I haven't tried any of the BMH line yet, but have heard good things. What are decent prices for the 11, 14, and 16yo? I think my local supplier carries only the 11yo.

Kevin

OscarV
06-01-2006, 16:21
Does anyone know what distillery they got the whisky from?

I very much liked the 11 y.o. (I definatley bonded with it on a cold Febuary weekend this year.) and the 16 y.o.

I have a bottle of the 21 y.o., I am waiting for something special before I open it, after what I have read here I hope it doesn't dissapoint.

Oscar

wadewood
06-01-2006, 17:32
Does anyone know what distillery they got the whisky from?


Sure, someone (the Kulsveens) knows, but they ain't telling.

TimmyBoston
06-02-2006, 02:33
About the distillery I believe it is also called Black Maple Hill (Distillery) and is out of Bardstown, KY

I also think somebody asked bout the prices

11 $40
14 $50
16 $63
21 $95

This is in Indianapolis, and the 16 and 21 prices are pretty good.

The 11 and 14 are competetive.

I have the 11 and 16 and love them. I'm actually drinking the 16 right now.

bluesbassdad
06-02-2006, 12:34
Based on what I've learned from folks here, the distillery mentioned on a label is often fictitious. I'm pretty sure that Black Maple Hill falls into that category. In such a case an entrepreneur, often one with a family and/or personal background in distilling, selects and buys bourbon from a real distiller, perhaps holds it for further maturation, and then bottles it or contracts to have it bottled.

Someone here told an amusing story about seeing a sign, something like "Dave Morefield Distillery" being put on display at a well-known producer's bottling line while a contract bottling was in progress.

I initially wrote here that "the only real distillery in Bardstown is Heaven Hill, who almost certainly bottles the Black Maple Hill, whether or not they produce the bourbon". An insider then informed me that I'm mostly wrong about all that. Heaven Hill does not bottle Black Maple Hill. Barton's, whose product I've never seen, much less tasted, is also located in Bardstown. I'm left with nothing but my opinion, yet to be disproven, that Heaven Hill produces the bourbon. (Thanks, Bettye Jo.)

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

dougdog
06-02-2006, 12:36
To the best of my knowledge the only real distillery in Bardstown is Heaven Hill, who almost certainly bottle the Black Maple Hill, whether or not they produce the bourbon.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

I thought Barton's was in Bardstown...KBD too!

IIRC I think KBD bottles the BMH for CVI

bluesbassdad
06-02-2006, 12:54
LOL! I was correcting my erroneous post while you were reading it.

However, there is still the question as to whether KBD is a separate entity. From what I've read here I had to come to believe it is not.

When I stepped in to reply to TimmyBoston, I thought I could save the really knowledgeable folks here some typing by recounting what they have written often enough to tire of it. Too bad I didn't get it right. I hereby demote myself to Novice status.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

gr8erdane
06-04-2006, 01:30
Dave,
KBD is definitely a seperate entity from HH but it is in the same neighborhood (next holler if you please) and rumor has it they buy a barrel or two of bulk from HH here and there. I believe the site they are restoring is the old Willett Distillery and that they still have some older stock from that plant in the warehouses. Now this is all conjecture of course because Drew plays his cards very close to his vest.

bluesbassdad
06-04-2006, 04:12
Dane,

My use of the word "entity" was ill-advised. What I meant to question is whether any phase of the production of KBD product is done at a KBD-owned facility (as opposed to buying distillate from others, perhaps paying someone to hold it while it ages futher, and then paying someone to bottle it).

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

gr8erdane
06-04-2006, 07:55
Well Dave, I guess I misconstrued as usual and passed on heresay and innuendo information that I can't substantiate but then that's why I added the disclaimer at the end. Can anyone tell me how to remove this Nike Swoosh from the roof of my mouth? I'll cease and desist talking about barrels of bourbon my baby blue peepers haven't encountered as though they did. Please forgive this old bourbon gossip for errant observances....:bowdown:

bluesbassdad
06-04-2006, 12:45
Dane,

I think I've lost track of what we're talking about -- not an infrequent occurence for me the past few years.

At this point I hereby either grant you forgiveness or request it for myself, whichever is appropriate. :grin:

Fini.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cowdery
06-04-2006, 16:35
There is no Black Maple Hill Distillery. It is an assumed business name. The Black Maple Hill products are from Kentucky Bourbon Distillers Ltd., (KBD) which despite the name is not a distiller. They do operate out of an old distillery site, formerly known as the Willett Distillery. They buy bulk whiskey, usually though not exclusively from Heaven Hill (which is located nearby).

KBD has warehouses and does some aging for some of its products, but they primarily are a bottler and marketer. They have long range plans to get back into the distilling business, but have not done so yet.

bluesbassdad
06-04-2006, 19:02
Chuck,

Thanks for the real scoop. I should have just waited for you, or some other major leaguer, to reply to post #1 in the first place.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cowdery
06-05-2006, 17:30
By the way, Dave, if you want to taste a product of the Barton Distillery, you should be able to find one in your area. They make Ten High, which is a youngish, standard bourbon but generally pretty good. They also make the Ridgemont Reserve 1792, which should have reached Arizona by now.

Since Heaven Hill's distillery is now in Louisville, Barton is actually the only operating distillery in Bardstown and it is right right smack in the middle of town too.

Of course, the three Beam distilleries (Clermont, Boston and Loretto) are nearby, but not actually in town.

bluesbassdad
06-05-2006, 17:47
Chuck,

Now that this thread has branched significantly, my reply is here (http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthread.php?p=62219#post62219).

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

JeffRenner
06-18-2006, 15:29
There is no Black Maple Hill Distillery. It is an assumed business name. The Black Maple Hill products are from Kentucky Bourbon Distillers Ltd., (KBD) which despite the name is not a distiller.

Strangely, the KBD web site (http://www.kentuckybourbonwhiskey.com/welcome.htm) doesn't seem to mention BMH whiskeys at all, only their other brands.

I was hoping to find at least a little more about these whiskeys because I am giving a talk (with samples) on bourbon at the National Homebrew Conference (http://beertown.org/events/hbc/index.html) this coming weekend in Orlando. (Another homebrewer and I decided we could do better than the single malt talk given at the NHC two years ago, so last year we did one together - he did SMSW and I did bourbon. It had the biggest attendance of all the talks, I think, and was very well received.)

Anyway, last year we got a sponsor to purchase the samples, so I had my choice of bourbons, and chose a standard rye recipe, a standard wheat one, and a premium. This year, they got a distributor to supply the three malts, but the only bourbons he carries are the BMH line, so he is supplying the BMH 11 and 16 year olds. Not bad, though I'd rather have more freedom.(The only wheater available from the participating liquor store is Maker's Mark, but that will do fine, I think.)

Sadly, the information I got second hand from the distributor was that the 11 yo "might" be from "Hirsch," and the 16 yo from "Sazarac." :rolleyes:

Of course, that's entirely useless non-information. Are there any better guesses here?

I've never tasted either, but I've read the comments in this thread and in some others I found through the search. Anyone have any other comments that they think might be of use? I'll try to get a sample of each before the talk, but the distributor is bringing them that day, as I understand it.

Jeff

fiend
06-18-2006, 17:15
This is my first post and I am looking for some confirmation on BMH bourbon.

Please excuse my newbie questions, I know nothing of bourbon, i'm a craft beer guy.

My girlfriend's Dad is quite the bourbon afficionado(sp?) and ran across this bourbon while we were on vacation in Baltimore. The bottle he purchased was the 14 yr old and said it was the best thing he has ever tasted.

So far from my searches on this website I have gathered:

BMH is a fictitious company and uses other companies Whiskey's and outsources the bottling? Is this common?

It is a wheat recipe? What does that entail?

It was bottled in two different places, Lawrenceton was the older place and now in Bardstown?

Any other information I have missed or that is incorrect please correct me.

Also Virginia's liquor laws suck, we are state controlled and to order a special item we have to order it by the case and they charge 20%+ extra than it actually costs. Where is the best place to order it online, we have friends in WV who would be willing to receive the package for us and bring it next time we are there.

Thanks

Jon

wadewood
06-18-2006, 18:57
The brand is owned by:

CVI Brands, Inc.
Owner: Paul Joseph
San Carlos, CA
650-595-1768

The brand owner controls the marketing of the product. They have a taste profile that the Bottler selects bourbon to match. This is not uncommon, but represents a very small part of overall bourbon sales.

It is currently bottled by Kentucky Bourbon Distillers, Ltd. This will have a Bardstown label.

Any label that has a Lawrenceburg address on it will be whiskey from when Julian Van Winkle was the bottler. However, this was prior to least summer of 2003. So, I doubt you will see this on the shelf.

I don't know the details of your state liquor laws. The large online retailers that ship to some states are Binny's and Sams (both in Chicago).