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ProofPositive
04-13-2006, 23:53
What is the consensus here as to which is considered the better bourbon, Weller Centennial 10yo or Weller 12yo? Judging by price it must be the Centennial....but, I know price does not always dictate when it comes to bourbons. From reading past threads, the Centennial has quite a following for sure. However, I do recollect in recent memory hearing more than one strong positive on here for Weller 12. Anyhow, I could not resist the $19.99 price tag of W12 when I ran across one yesterday. For some reason, there just are not many of them around here - nor the Centennial for that matter.

robbyvirus
04-14-2006, 00:06
They're both quite excellent. While I'd give the edge to the 12 yo, that may be just my personal taste. The centennial is 100 proof and the 12 yo 90 proof.

ProofPositive
04-14-2006, 00:39
They're both quite excellent. While I'd give the edge to the 12 yo, that may be just my personal taste. The centennial is 100 proof and the 12 yo 90 proof.

Very good point - forgot to acknowledge the fact - that we are talking about 2 different proofs. Normally, the 100+ proof bottle will cost more in most cases.....that is, if it is the good stuff.

I opened this 12yo a little while ago and I am impressed. It is very, very good.....think I'll get to that second pour now.

jburlowski
04-14-2006, 05:06
Personally, I'd go with the Centennial. I have a real fondness for it ---- partially because I had my first bottle with some good friends I hadn't seen in years while sitting on our deck on a perfect summer eveneing.

Having said that... I also think it hits the perfect balance of age (oakiness) and drinkability.

barturtle
04-14-2006, 05:54
I have a real fondness for the Centennial, but have to admit that I've yet to have the newer BT version, as I still have several of the SW bottles bunkered.

Virus_Of_Life
04-14-2006, 19:53
I have a real fondness for the Centennial, but have to admit that I've yet to have the newer BT version, as I still have several of the SW bottles bunkered.

I am kind of thinking along your lines on this Timothy, I am not buying any Wellers that are not SW bourbon. I seem to be finding enough of the older SW wellers that I just out and out refuse to buy the newer stuff anytime soon. And I especially like it when I come across Liter bottles of the WL special reserve for only $17 - thats less than I find any of the newer 750ml bottles! :grin:

Nothing against BT, we all know they make great bourbon, but I have tasted enough to know that I'd rather buy and bunker all the SW prior to touching the newer stuff.

Ken Weber
04-22-2006, 09:53
I understand your love of Van Winkle Bourbons; I'm there with you. However, I really think you will be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Weller offerings, especially at the their price.

Ken

Nebraska
04-22-2006, 10:45
I agree, I found a bottle Weller Reserve 750ml for $17 and still thought it to be a great value. Love the Weller Antique 107 as well, one of my favorites.

Mark/Nebraska

TNbourbon
04-22-2006, 20:08
I understand your love of Van Winkle Bourbons; I'm there with you. However, I really think you will be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Weller offerings, especially at the their price.

Ken

Ken, you know there is no dearth of love here for Buffalo Trace whiskey and products! The current Weller 12yo standard bottling I have open was issued from Frankfort and is, I'm sure, (mostly, at least) Buffalo Trace bourbon -- it is among the finest standard bottlings on a shelf today.
That said, I'm never satisfied that I have 'enough' Stitzel-Weller in the house (and I have a bit of it!).

Geo
04-22-2006, 22:03
I understand your love of Van Winkle Bourbons; I'm there with you. However, I really think you will be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Weller offerings, especially at the their price.

Ken

Ken,
I cannot agree with you more. I love all and your family has produced over the past years and bought, especially the Van Winlkle distillery. Not one I do not enjoy. My Favorate after being exposed to it in limited supply is the George T. Stagg, followed by Old Weller Antique 107, and Pappy 15 year old.... Salute!

PS: I have been SO very impressed with your customer service. I had a bottle of Pappy's 15 that was not quite right and you shipped me a new bottle. I am forever a Buffalo Trace customer.

Sincerely,
Geo

CrispyCritter
04-23-2006, 14:19
I've had very little S-W bourbon (ORVW 15, PVW 15, and possibly a Lot B, assuming it was pre-Bernheim) - while I'm very sad to see it go, I can't help but say that nothing I've had from BT has let me down. From the "standard" BT (I've only had the Binny's single-barrel version), to the Weller 12 and Antique, three different Staggs, Saz Jr. and Sr., Larue, AAA 10yo... what's not to like?

cowdery
04-23-2006, 16:26
The Weller whiskey available now, although bottled at Buffalo Trace, is whiskey that was made at Bernheim when that distillery and the Weller brand were still owned by what is now Diageo. We're probably still a couple years away from tasting any wheated bourbon distilled and aged entirely at Buffalo Trace.

Of the two bottlings, I prefer the Weller 12. I like it a little better, but I like the price a lot better. Even though they have reduced the price of the Centennial, it has continued to support a higher price from when it was part of the "Collection."

ProofPositive
04-25-2006, 23:29
The Weller whiskey available now, although bottled at Buffalo Trace, is whiskey that was made at Bernheim when that distillery and the Weller brand were still owned by what is now Diageo. We're probably still a couple years away from tasting any wheated bourbon distilled and aged entirely at Buffalo Trace.

Of the two bottlings, I prefer the Weller 12. I like it a little better, but I like the price a lot better. Even though they have reduced the price of the Centennial, it has continued to support a higher price from when it was part of the "Collection."

So far, I have really developed a love affair with this first bottle of Weller 12. I have yet to put the dollars down for Centennial but cannot imagine it being much (if any) better. I think being part of the "Collection" has played into the pricing. Wonder if they will ever drop the designation since there appears to be no real collection any longer? Well, I guess technically there is - 3 of the original 5 still exist - if you want to call that a "collection". Probably not, the boardroom has probably decided to run with the designation as long as it sells - or their perception is that it helps the sales.

T47
05-01-2006, 21:04
I opened my first bottle of Centennial tonight and really enjoyed the flavor. Kind of sweet, like a nice carmel apple, and very smooth. I am going to have to pick up a bottle of the 12...I fear this will never end...not a bad problem.
:toast:

ProofPositive
05-01-2006, 23:39
I opened my first bottle of Centennial tonight and really enjoyed the flavor. Kind of sweet, like a nice carmel apple, and very smooth. I am going to have to pick up a bottle of the 12...I fear this will never end...not a bad problem.
:toast:

I agree....not a bad problem at all. I have been hording up the last bottles of Antique in my area that came out of Louisville. The Weller 12 is just about gone now from my cupboard.....the wife like it as well or even better than me!

scratchline
03-23-2007, 13:53
I have recently returned to my bottle of Weller Centennial and must reitterate my preference for it over the 12 yr. I think it may be the quintessential bourbon. I actually got apricots on this afternoon's pour. To me it is perfectly balanced at this age and proof. I have a couple of bottles of the older Louisville Centennial, but if I'll be surprised if I can detect any improvement in those bottles. All hail BT Weller Centennial!

-Mike

Jazzhead
03-23-2007, 16:49
Weller bourbons are scarce in South Jersey. Only the Antique 107 (which is the only Weller that I don't like; too harsh) is easy to find in these parts.

But business takes me south to Washington on occasion, so I manage to stop in the State Line Liquor store right over the Maryland state line and I've been able to sample the Weller line. (That liquor store's a throwback, it's right over the state line and no doubt did an amazing business back in the day when the drinking age was 18. Quite an excellent selection, including their Own Brand, State Line Bourbon! (It's 4-year old HH)).

I discovered the Weller Centennial, Buffalo Trace version, first. Simply an amazing bourbon, one of my top five for sure. Like burlowski says, balance and flavor are the heart of this bourbon. Yes, I've since tried the original S-W version of the Centennial, and it's tremedous, but the Buffalo Trace version is different and every bit as good! . Maybe better.

I like the 12-year old, too. (Only have the BT version of this one). Same for the 7-yaer old Special Reserve; the wheated BT expressions ought to be warm comfort to the S-W fans out there, as their bunkers dwindle - this style of bourbon is in very, very good hands.

Special Reserve
03-23-2007, 17:26
Is the SW version of Weller Centennial Louisville and BT version Frankfort?

Thanks.

Will

Old Lamplighter
11-26-2007, 16:33
Don't know if it is proper etiquette here to bring up an old thread, or, better to start a new one. In any event, stopped in a couple of stores today and noticed Centennial absent. So, I thought back to the places I have been in the last month and could not recall seeing it anywhere but one place....which only had 1 on the shelf. Asked the clerks at the stores today and they said it had been on order for awhile......and, they commented that it has become harder to get in the last year or so.

Like some other 'older' bourbons, are the Centennial barrels also running low at Buffalo Trace? I hope not and further I hope they are not considering the unthinkable. I know Weller 12 is still in production as a new bottle was introduced earlier this year. However, I have not seen much of it either. I would guess that out of 20-25 stores me visited in the last month, saw maybe a half dozen bottles. Perhaps it is running short as well? If so, then I suppose the toll on older bourbon inventories may be much more severe than previously thought(?). Anybody else noticed shortages on these fine Wellers?

Just in the last day or so, my blood pressure has been slowly falling towards a more normal level after the news about OCPR. Now, it is beginning to rise again! HELP!!!!!!!

cowdery
11-27-2007, 09:38
Why would you care about Centennial when Weller 12 is cheaper and, arguably, better? Centennial's only advantage is its proof.

Rughi
11-27-2007, 09:46
Why would you care about Centennial when Weller 12 is cheaper and, arguably, better? Centennial's only advantage is its proof.

Because of the "arguably better" part, I'd say if you asked me. I've never warmed up to Weller 12 so much, personally, but Centennial is a good vehicle for drinking a wheater.

And since I don't guzzle the stuff, the expense is less important than the flavor.

Roger

OscarV
11-27-2007, 09:54
I've never warmed up to Weller 12 so much, personally, but Centennial is a good vehicle for drinking a wheater.


My sentiments exactly.
Weller 12 was just OK, Centennial is very good.

TNbourbon
11-27-2007, 15:17
Why would you care about Centennial when Weller 12 is cheaper and, arguably, better? Centennial's only advantage is its proof.


Because of the "arguably better" part, I'd say if you asked me. I've never warmed up to Weller 12 so much, personally, but Centennial is a good vehicle for drinking a wheater.

And since I don't guzzle the stuff, the expense is less important than the flavor.

Roger
Somebody send me a bottle of each, and I'll break the tie!:grin:

Rughi
11-27-2007, 15:32
Somebody send me a bottle of each, and I'll break the tie!:grin:

Ohh no you don't
I know that trick.

You'll drink both and say that early results were inconclusive and further research is necessary.

Roger
PS - I'll join ya. :lol:

TNbourbon
11-27-2007, 15:51
Ohh no you don't
I know that trick.

You'll drink both and say that early results were inconclusive and further research is necessary...

What's that got to do with it?!:skep:

NickAtMartinis
11-27-2007, 15:55
What is the consensus here as to which is considered the better bourbon, Weller Centennial 10yo or Weller 12yo? Judging by price it must be the Centennial....but, I know price does not always dictate when it comes to bourbons. From reading past threads, the Centennial has quite a following for sure. However, I do recollect in recent memory hearing more than one strong positive on here for Weller 12. Anyhow, I could not resist the $19.99 price tag of W12 when I ran across one yesterday. For some reason, there just are not many of them around here - nor the Centennial for that matter.


I've never had the 12yo, unfortunately, but had the Centennial and Antique and I'd much rather save my money and drink some Antique. Actually, even if they were both the same price, I'd still choose the Antique.

NickAtMartinis
11-27-2007, 16:00
I am kind of thinking along your lines on this Timothy, I am not buying any Wellers that are not SW bourbon. I seem to be finding enough of the older SW wellers that I just out and out refuse to buy the newer stuff anytime soon. And I especially like it when I come across Liter bottles of the WL special reserve for only $17 - thats less than I find any of the newer 750ml bottles! :grin:

Nothing against BT, we all know they make great bourbon, but I have tasted enough to know that I'd rather buy and bunker all the SW prior to touching the newer stuff.


Don't you all like variety? Instead of this board being called straightbourbon.com we should just call it SW.com or Stitzel&Weller.com. I realize that SW is very good but geez there are so many other good bourbons available to us all today. Of course, most people seem to avoid the current bottlings like the plague, that is until they become near extinct and everyone will be driving to the ends of the Earth to find them.

My feeling is, we live in a great time for bourbon. Enjoy variety and what's currently out there. There's some damned fine bourbon to be had that currently being bottled.

VOL, I'm certainly not calling you out, I just needed to vent after reading your SW comments. I hope you don't take it personally.

Rughi
11-27-2007, 16:16
Instead of this board being called straightbourbon.com we should just call it SW.com or Stitzel&Weller.com...

Not all here worship at the altar of Stitzel Weller.
(For myself, I think they did a great job with their mashbill handicap, though :) )

It's not so surprising, though, that a thread titled "Weller Centennial & Weller 12" has a lot of SW talk.

As I've written often, day in and day out, I'll take ND Grand Dad and Taylor, but that's for another thread.

Roger

barturtle
11-27-2007, 20:11
Ohh no you don't
I know that trick.

You'll drink both and say that early results were inconclusive and further research is necessary.

Roger
PS - I'll join ya. :lol:

You know that no true study relies on only one sample, you need a wide number of bottles to prove empirically that one is better than the other. You would need at least three or more samples of each bottling to even think about reaching a conclusion. One of the earliest examples of each, the most recent example of each, as well as a randomly chosen sample of each. Plus you would need more than one bottle representing each of those samples just to make sure that the one bottle representing that era of the spirit wasn't a fluke (for good or bad).

As soon as these bottlings are collected, I'll be more than happy to administer and collect the results of a double blind study.

Send samples to me at:
Weller Bourbon Study
c/o Barturtle
The Swamp, LA

Rughi
11-27-2007, 21:06
You know that no true study relies on only one sample, you need a wide number of bottles to prove empirically that one is better than the other. You would need at least three or more samples of each bottling to even think about reaching a conclusion.

Hmmmmm....
what would that be like??? (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86553&postcount=12)

Roger

barturtle
11-27-2007, 21:10
Hmmmmm....
what would that be like??? (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86553&postcount=12)

Exactly! Send me those Weller 10s and 12s and that will get the study a firm base to start from.

Thanks, Roger. Any other donors?

kpendle
11-28-2007, 19:12
Hmmmmm....
what would that be like??? (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=86553&postcount=12)

Roger

Roger,

I remember that night, “Wheaters (huh) What are they good for?.” Well we did a tasting of a couple of Centennials that night and also another night the same 2 bottles plus a third. We have not visited the Weller 12 as thoroughly but I am sure we will eventually. If I had to choose only one I easily will take the Centennial over the 12.

I will characterize that I drink the 12 yo standing up. While outside at the grill or smoker, watering the lawn, or cooking in the kitchen. A casual drink, enjoyable but not complex. The Centennial is a sit down drink for me. Usually in the evening. With dessert, or during wind down time after dinner, or later in the night taken with a little TV.

I like them both but they are quite different for me. Also I prefer the newer BT Centennial versus the SW.

For the price difference for me I would get Weller 12. I would have a hard time paying the going rate around here for Centennial which is usually $30 and up. There are many others in that price range I would choose first. But I bought quite a few Centennials for $25 that I love and will probably still get some more at that price. For $20 I like the Weller 12 for how I drink it and will get it again.

I would not say either is better than the other. They each have their place. But given availability, price, mood, and all the other variables one day I may buy the 12 and the next day the Centennial. And depending on how I lean that day it may not even be a wheater.

Oops, discussing how I may lean may be better be posted in another thread.

Ken

Rughi
11-28-2007, 19:32
I will characterize that I drink the 12 yo standing up. While outside at the grill or smoker, watering the lawn, or cooking in the kitchen. A casual drink, enjoyable but not complex. The Centennial is a sit down drink for me. Usually in the evening. With dessert, or during wind down time after dinner, or later in the night taken with a little TV.

I like them both but they are quite different for me. Also I prefer the newer BT Centennial versus the SW.
Ken

That's my guy!
Weller 12 is a standing-up bourbon and Centennial is a sit-down bourbon.
Settled.

Also, every time I hear someone preferring BT to SW Wellers, I feel the future of bourbon may be brighter than the pickin's of an underappreciated past.

Maybe the question isn't Centennial vs. 12, but the Ghost of Wheater Future vs. the Ghost of Wheater Past. God bless us, everyone.

Roger "Waiting for ol' Fitz" Hodges

tango-papa
11-29-2007, 11:57
Why would you care about Centennial when Weller 12 is cheaper and, arguably, better? Centennial's only advantage is its proof.

Centennial with a Louisville label is just a wee-little-bit-better than the 12...:rolleyes:

tango-papa
11-29-2007, 12:09
Curious...

You walk into a liquor store with a few dusties on the shelf and there, side by side, are the following bottles...

- Weller 12 year priced at $21 - both first and second generation bottlings.
- Weller Centenial with a Louisville/BHC label at $35.
- Weller Centennial with a Frankfort/HC label at $35.

It's a no brainer for me, I'm getting the Centennial L'ville.
However, I'm curious if the price difference actually matters to some even knowing that one of them is S-W distillate.

~tp

Old Lamplighter
12-08-2007, 15:29
Curious...

You walk into a liquor store with a few dusties on the shelf and there, side by side, are the following bottles...
- Weller Centenial with a Louisville/BHC label at $35.
- Weller Centennial with a Frankfort/HC label at $35.
~tp

At this point, I would be happy to walk into a store with just one Weller Centennial no matter where it was distilled. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I had not crossed paths with WC of late. Today, thanks to my good wife, I was in the Memphis metro area doing some Christmas shopping. I had a chance to stop at about a half-dozen of the larger stores on the east side of town but no WC to be found anywhere. Anybody else with same experience lately? If so, maybe it is part of the 'rationing' going on at BC these days due to shortages of old bourbon......although it was my understanding this did not include the wheaters. Comments?

squire
12-08-2007, 15:38
Its sitting on the shelves in my local store for about $23.00. Don't know if that signifies anything, I haven't really been paying attention, but I'm sure it has been regularly on the shelves for the last six months at least.

Squire

jburlowski
12-09-2007, 15:13
Always seems to be available here in No.KY --- although not at every liquor store.

squire
12-09-2007, 16:00
Trying to remember, its been at least 4-5 years since I bought a bottle, but don't recall it ever being absent from the shelves and I think I would have noticed if it had.

Squire

AntiqueBourbon
10-11-2008, 10:22
Please teach me

When was W.L.Weller 10y Centennial intoroduced in the market ?
This bourbon is UD Heritage Collection.


I love W.L.Weller Bourbon.:lol:

I have W.L.Weller 7y SW, W.L.Weller 10y SW, W.L.Weller BT,W.L.Weller 12y LaMaison Du Whisky BT, W.L.Weller 19y 2000, William Larue Weller 117.9proof,William Larue Weller 121.9proof, Old Weller 7y Antique SW.

My Blog is http://ameblo.jp/shotbarbourbon/:grin:

gblick
10-11-2008, 11:45
I can't believe I haven't replied to this thread, must've missed it.

I prefer the Centennial over the 12, but the price of the Centennial is much higher. Centennial costs $30 while the Weller 12 can still be found for as low as $18 around here. But when throwing price into the consideration, I'll walk away with the Weller 107 every time.

Welcome to the site AntiqueBourbon, you have a lot of great Wellers in your collection. That SW Old Weller 107 from Louisville is one of my favorite bourbons of all time!

AntiqueBourbon
10-11-2008, 13:08
Thanks, gblick

I like old weller 7y antique SW,too.SW's weller is more smooth and sweet than BT's weller,so I want to buy SW's weller.
I bought W.L.Weller 10yo SW $18 5years ago.
I buy W.L.Weller 10yo BT $20.
Old Weller 7yo is $22 in Tokyo.:grin:

spun_cookie
10-11-2008, 16:13
I find teh 2 12yr Wellers that I have had (Binny's and Party Cource I think) were very thin. THe Centennials that I have had (about 7-8 diffrent ones) are all much ritcher that the 12 Weller and the Julio's Weller is as good as some of the PVW 15 yrs I have had.

As a side note, Everman gave me 50 ml of his 10/107 Weller and it was better than some of the PVW 15yrs that I have had, but in general, the Centennial is better than the 10/107 to me...

Attila
01-15-2009, 23:43
My Blog is http://ameblo.jp/shotbarbourbon/:grin:

Are you serious? I was in Shot Bar Bourbon a couple weeks ago. Unbelievable. We should talk more.

kickert
01-18-2009, 15:11
After having my eye on a bottle of Weller Centennial for quite a while, I finally negotiated it as payment for some handy work. Right now Weller 12 is my favorite under $50 bourbon so I have been looking forward to a head to head. Here are my notes:

Weller Centennial
COLOR: Dark amber
LEGS: Slow to form, thin and closely spaced
NOSE: Sweet familar Weller, perhaps a touch of sugar cane

FIRST SIP: Thinner than I expected, the proof is apparant, but does not have a strong burn like many 100+ bourbons. If I did not know better, I would assume this was 90 proof.

SECOND SIP: gradual flavor building, there is not a huge hit up front, or a strong finish. Slight hints of wood, but you have to search for the oaky tannins. Perhaps a hidden taste of toasted marshmellows.

FINISH: fairly long, but most alcohol burn and not flavor

SUMMARY: Solid pour and easily the smoothest 100 proof bourbon I have ever tasted. I would put it as a top tier (8.75-9) but I have to admit I am slightly disappointed.




Weller 12
COLOR: Dark amber (virtually identical to the Weller Cent)
LEGS: Even slower to form than the Weller Cent, goes to pearl necklace then narrow streams
NOSE: Not as sweet as the Weller Cent, but obviously a wheater

FIRST SIP: Vanilla is obvious as is a clear oaky taste, but nothing bitter or harsh. This is almost syruppy in taste, but not in mouthfeel.

SECOND SIP: The sweetness up front fades quickly to reveal more oak than I remember.

FINISH: the finish is definetly shorter than with the Weller Cent, but it also has more character with reoccuring pockets of sweetness

SUMMARY: Familar and excellent. There is a reason this tops my lists. I was surprised to find as much oak this time around - that has eluded me previously (perhaps I am just getting better at picking it out now that I have more older bourbons).



Conclusion:
Weller Cent is an excellent bourbon. I am a better man because I have had it. However, when compared with Weller 12, I am still going to go there. The 12 has more character and is cheaper and easier to find. The strength of the Weller Cent is in its ability to deliver a perfectly aged 10 yo at 100 proof without overwhelming anyone with the burn. On taste alone, I have to go with the Weller 12. If Weller Cent were easily available and <$25 I would keep it around. For now I can live without lamenting the unavailabily of this bottle.

Note: I will revisit this head to head tomorrow to see how things might open up.

spun_cookie
01-18-2009, 16:27
Put the centennial in a crystal glass. When it opens... is takes the 12 out to the wood shed.... or at least the ones that I have do.

The 13 yr Centennial from Julio's is crazy good. Its a PVW 13 yr in hiding

Virus_Of_Life
01-19-2009, 01:22
I agree with Mr Cookie; although I must admit I have never had a drink from a regular release of Frankfort Weller Centennial, so I guess really that means I shouldn't comment. That said the L'ville Centennial is, and I have no problem saying this, the best bourbon I've ever had for under $40 and the Single Barrel I have is equally amazing at just a touch over $31 that I paid. However both of them have taken at least a week if not a month to truly blossom with fresh air.

Those whose pallates I trust have said similar complimentary things about the Frankfort W.C. so I have no reason to doubt it's greatness.

.... I also think the extra proof is worth a little more money.

OscarV
01-19-2009, 06:10
I find teh 2 12yr Wellers that I have had (Binny's and Party Cource I think) were very thin. THe Centennials that I have had (about 7-8 diffrent ones) are all much ritcher that the 12 Weller and the Julio's Weller is as good as some of the PVW 15 yrs I have had.

As a side note, Everman gave me 50 ml of his 10/107 Weller and it was better than some of the PVW 15yrs that I have had, but in general, the Centennial is better than the 10/107 to me...

Ditto,
Centennial is the best.

shoshani
01-19-2009, 09:26
I have not had Centennial and it is unlikely that I shall, unless I can find some out of the way likker nook where Jim and Jack are the big sellers and the customers don't care for anything else.

kickert's note about the 100 proof being thinner than expected is interesting. I have noted the same thing about Rock Hill Farms vs Elmer T. Lee in that, in this instance, the 100 proof whiskey is sweet and delicate whereas the 90 proof whisky is huge, oily and chewy - just the exact opposite of what I would have expected. And, of course, I love 'em both.

Buffalo Bill
01-19-2009, 10:59
Put the centennial in a crystal glass. When it opens... is takes the 12 out to the wood shed.... or at least the ones that I have do.

The 13 yr Centennial from Julio's is crazy good. Its a PVW 13 yr in hiding

***And I only have two bottles left - crazy good! I love the 13 year Centennial, especially in the warmer weather = Spring. I've been finding myself going after more caramel and rye in the Winter, wheaters in the Spring & Summer. Pretty soon I'll be pulling out the "Lot-B" on a regular basis. For some reason, when the Spring weather hits I get on a Lot-B & OFBB jag.

BB

p_elliott
01-21-2009, 06:50
However both of them have taken at least a week if not a month to truly blossom with fresh air.[/quote]

What exactly does this mean? I have to be misinterpreting what your saying . At the risk of sounding stupid OK I'm stupid How do let a bottle breathe for a week or month with out it becoming contaminated?

kickert
01-21-2009, 07:25
What exactly does this mean? I have to be misinterpreting what your saying . At the risk of sounding stupid OK I'm stupid How do let a bottle breathe for a week or month with out it becoming contaminated?

There are two ways to let things breathe. The first is to pour a glass and let it wait a little bit (as in 10-15 minutes).

What Virus was refering to is the opening up of a bourbon after it is initially opened. Often the first pour of a bottle is not the same as subsequent pours. You don't actually leave it open to air out, simply opening the bottle and having a few drinks out of it will often help the bourbon develop.

Buffalo Bill
01-21-2009, 07:28
However both of them have taken at least a week if not a month to truly blossom with fresh air.

What exactly does this mean? I have to be misinterpreting what your saying . At the risk of sounding stupid OK I'm stupid How do let a bottle breathe for a week or month with out it becoming contaminated?[/QUOTE]

*Once opened, the flavor profile will begin to change-up (open) in the bottle due to oxygenation = the amount of oxygen in the bottle versus liquid. It's noticeable after the first pour and so on... different every time, especially after there becomes more air than liquid. Then you may begin to notice little things floating around = oxidation. There are ways around this: #1) Buy a can of Wine Preservative = Argon/Nitrogen. It can be found through any fine liquor retailer or Wine Store. The one I use is called "Vineyard Fresh" but there are others, usually $8-10 a can. Not cheap, but worth it. After you're done with the bottle give it a hit of nitro and immediately cap it off, quickly. Put the bottle away for a while then come back to it... the argon/nitro gas mixture is heavier than oxygen and creates a vapor lock in the bottle, preserving the original state of the bourbon from where you left off. Incidentally, I have bottles here that I sample regularly, several that are many years old and still fine. Best to keep the bottles standing, vertically out of residual daylight. Florescent light can eventually kill a bottle as well, especially under strong supermarket florescent. Store in a cool dry and dark place... along with a steady temperature. On a personal note, I never finish a bottle without having another one in tow because I want to experience the changes, differences, and vintages as they roll out. Comparatively. The more one keeps building on a collection, the more one learns, it's a process. And by the way - THERE ARE NO STUPID QUESTIONS. We all learn via asking questions - knowledge begins with a question and this was a good one... good luck! BB

OscarV
01-21-2009, 13:56
Put the centennial in a crystal glass. When it opens... is takes the 12 out to the wood shed....

Hey Em, I just opened my bottle of Weller 12yo Binny's bottle.
You said it all my Brother, Centennial whips it's ass up one side and down the other.

kickert
01-23-2009, 10:40
Okay folks, I am revisiting the comparison. I am not looking at my specific notes from last week - this is going fresh again.

NOSE: Weller Cent takes takes the cake. They both are similar, but Weller Cent brings with it more intensity and caramelly sweetness.

TASTE: The Weller Cent has an excellent taste. It carries the complexity without as much overt sweetness. The extra alcohol is there, but not dominating. The Weller 12 is noticeably thinner, but also more pleasant and carries with it the classic wheater sweetness. Much more vanilla with the Weller 12, more caramel with the Weller Cent.

FINISH: The Weller Cent kicks the Weller 12's ass on this one. Much longer finish although the Weller Cent has more of an alcohol dominate finishe, while the Weller 12's is more syruppy.

CONCLUSION: The Weller Cent is more complex and fuller body, but the Weller 12 is more pleasant. I call it an even race at this point. I will revisit in a month, maybe the Weller Cent will continue to move up in the ratings.



NOTE: In a blind taste between the two... even after doing detailed notes... I was only able to correctly identify which was which about 2 out of 3 times.... not much over simply randomly guessing. I would be ecstatic to find either in my glass. I love the Weller Cent and it is worth having around, but it is still not worth spending the 50% more just to have it when Weller 12 is also excellent.

spun_cookie
01-23-2009, 11:27
Hey Em, I just opened my bottle of Weller 12yo Binny's bottle.
You said it all my Brother, Centennial whips it's ass up one side and down the other.

The best part about these discussions is the need to go back and taste the bourbons over and over again just to be sure :icon_pidu:

DeanSheen
05-15-2009, 12:36
I am fortunate enough to have tasted all of these. When I first opened my bottle of Centennial I was taken mostly by the smoothness as it was the smoothest 100 I have tasted yet. Working my way through the bottle I came to like it more and more.

In answer to the question posed below, I would take the first gen white label Weller 12 bottling. Fred and somone else brought bottles of this to the 09 sampler and I tried out of two different bottles on two different nights and it was in my top 3 of things I tried on that table. The balance was exceptional and the finish spice just woke me up a bit and let me know it was there.

I love the Centennial but battle with myself over buying more cheaper current 12 or less Centennial.

YMMV

~DS


Curious...

You walk into a liquor store with a few dusties on the shelf and there, side by side, are the following bottles...

- Weller 12 year priced at $21 - both first and second generation bottlings.
- Weller Centenial with a Louisville/BHC label at $35.
- Weller Centennial with a Frankfort/HC label at $35.

It's a no brainer for me, I'm getting the Centennial L'ville.
However, I'm curious if the price difference actually matters to some even knowing that one of them is S-W distillate.

~tp