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Old Bill
07-19-2006, 07:42
Seems that a lot around here move toward the more high end bourbons. But what is your "blue collar" bourbon? Something that is not terribly expensive, but not terrible in itself either. Good ol' Jim Beam white does it for me. Although I picked up a bottle of Old Crow, and it really wasn't all THAT bad. Granted the flavor did not have much of a snap to it, but on ice on the back porch on a 90 degree night, it really wasn't that objectionable.

chasking
07-19-2006, 08:29
My favorite in that category is Old Overholt Rye, which is not actually a bourbon but I think it fits your criteria.

TnSquire
07-19-2006, 08:35
I like Elijah Craig 12 year.

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-19-2006, 08:42
Seems that a lot around here move toward the more high end bourbons. But what is your "blue collar" bourbon? Something that is not terribly expensive, but not terrible in itself either. Good ol' Jim Beam white does it for me. Although I picked up a bottle of Old Crow, and it really wasn't all THAT bad. Granted the flavor did not have much of a snap to it, but on ice on the back porch on a 90 degree night, it really wasn't that objectionable.

I have been trying to get around to Old Crow, but haven't yet. There is a bourbon here called Rolling K which I think is a slightly better version of Old Crow. I used to drink it once in a while years ago. Ought to give it another try.

What is your upper price limit for a Blue Collar Bourbon?
Ed

mozilla
07-19-2006, 10:23
Hey Bill, What a great question! In a time of ever increasing prices it is very prudent to look for affordability in our favorite bottles. I too have had recent motives for pinching pennies. Here are a few of my budget bourbons: Henry McKenna, J. W. Dant BiB, Tom Moore BiB, Private Cellar 90, and Walkers DeLuxe 80 (which is getting scarce in Austin).
Give these a try all are very easy on the wallet.
jeff mo.

Old Bill
07-19-2006, 11:16
Let's keep the price limit in the $10 to $15 range; though the bottle of Old Crow cost me $9.49; it more than qualifies. As for the Old Overholt, I've got a bottle of that, too, and I really enjoy it. I think I picked that up for $10.99.

hookfinger
07-19-2006, 11:18
Buffalo Trace is the go to bourbon around here. Even convinced my favorite watering hole to rack a bottle.

TnSquire
07-19-2006, 13:17
I get EC 12 for under 15 a bottle. Its my goto cheap bottle.

that or the JIM BEAM with the Orange and White label. HA!

BobA
07-19-2006, 13:38
My favorite in this price range is the Very Old Barton (90 is the one I can get, right at $10). But a lot of the "base bourbons" push $15 around here; JB White, Old Charter 8, Old Forester, OGD 86, etc. And if I'm looking to do that, I think about going just a bit more to something like OC 12 or OGD BIB, which are still under $20; it's around there where the taste/$ equation starts to hit a real sweet spot. I really don't consume all that much, but if I did, I imagine I'd pick up the VOB in the 1.75 liter.
Bob

bluesbassdad
07-19-2006, 14:02
To get in the spirit of the question, first I must set aside the fact that in my working days I knew skilled craftsmen who made more money than I did with my degrees and a closet full of white shirts.

I think I'd distinguish between "every day blue collar" and "special treat blue collar". Depending upon prices in a given locale I'd set the upper limit for the former at around $12-15 and the latter at $15-18.

So far my favorite in the every day category is Ten High (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=64938&highlight=ten+high#post64938). To my taste it is much better than Jim Beam white label (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3547&highlight=jim+beam+white)or Old Overholt (rye), which isn't readily available in my small town anyway. A close second would be Evan Williams 7 y/o; a 1.75 can be had without exceeding my every day limit for a 750. I've not tried the EW 1783, which Binny's lists at $10.99. They also list Ancient Ancient Age 10 y/o at $13.99. If AAA 10 y/o were available to me here, it would easily displace Ten High at the top of the heap even though it costs $5 more. However, adding in shipping cost (if that's still possible) bumps it into my higher category even with a case purchase.

After much waffling I find that I am not a fan of Old Forester 100 ($15.99). That's too bad because it's available here, albeit at a higher cost.

My special treat bourbon, when I can catch it on sale at Safeway (frequently under $30 for a 1.75), would be Wild Turkey 101. Another possibility is Jim Beam black label, which my local Liquor Barn (more like a Liquor Coop, really :grin: ) sometimes reduces to $17.99. Hi Time's regular price is $16.99, but now it's on sale there for $12.99. At the sale price it would be a contender for top dog in the every day category.

Back in southern California other choices were often available (and prices were lower than here). One is Old Fitzgerald 1849 ($15.99 at Binny's in Chicago), which I remember liking better than the BIB at the same price. Another is Weller 12 y/o ($16.99), which might be a little too smooth and too sweet to fit the blue-collar image. One that I've waffled on is Elijah Craig 12 y/o ($17.99 at Hi Time, but much higher here); its flavor profile, which I think varies more than it should, might be a little too outside the mainstream to qualify as blue-collar.

Thanks for giving me an interesting exercise. Recent budget discussions at my house make this topic a timely one for me.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

cowdery
07-19-2006, 14:13
If I have to buy something off the bottom shelf I'll probably grab a bottle of Ten High, which is Barton whiskey. I find young Beam (which is what Old Crow is too) okay in very small doses. Early Times is another possibility. Old Fitz prime is usually a little more, but a far sight better in my opinion.

The bottom shelf is also where you find most of the American blends, which are a good choice for the value shopper, especially if you're going to mix it with Coke or something. A little bit of whiskey flavor without the bite and burn of a cheap bourbon.

Of course, real "blue collar" consumers actually tend to buy Jack Daniel's and not whatever is cheapest.

TNbourbon
07-19-2006, 14:24
Rebel Yell, though not what it used to be (i.e., Stitzel-Weller) still isn't bad for $10 per 750ml.

ThomasH
07-19-2006, 15:02
My vote for blue collar bourbon is Ancient Age 100. At 23.19 a 1.75L at Party Source in Newport, Ky it is one of the best basic bourbon purchases I have ever made!

jburlowski
07-19-2006, 15:37
BT gets my vote... it's my daily pour.

Sijan
07-19-2006, 15:44
Old Forester 100, Ancient Ancient Age, Old Fitz 1849, Evan Williams Black, Old Fitz BIB. Prices of OGD BIB, WT 101 and Jim Beam Black vary somewhat, but they're probably close to that price-range in some places.

jsgorman
07-19-2006, 15:52
Ancient Age and Buffalo Trace.

But, I'd rather drink less of something I really enjoy than more of something less special. Live is too short to drink cheap whiskey.

ratcheer
07-19-2006, 16:32
My state is an ABC state and everything is fairly expensive. There's not really anything fit to drink that I can get for less than $15, except maybe Old Grand Dad 86-proof. I usually buy WT 101 as my standard pour, but I think it is up around $19, here. Elijah Craig 12-yr is $18 and I like it pretty well.

Also, no matter how high the prices are, they don't seem to mind raising them higher. :hot:

Tim

FlashPuppy
07-19-2006, 19:21
I get WT101 for $15.99. Fits my blue collar style, taste, and price range.

Jazzhead
07-19-2006, 20:41
Over the years, the best inexpensive bottle for my money has been Dickel. Sticking to true bourbon, I'd pick Old Heaven Hill 10 YO, which is under ten bucks a bottle and delicious. Strangely, I know of only one store in South Jersey that stocks it!

wadewood
07-19-2006, 21:01
I'll drink these very reasonable price bourbons any day of the week and be very happy:
AAA 10YO
EW 1783
Old Grandad BIB
Very Old Barton BIB
Jim Beam Black Label
Rittenhouse Rye BIB
WT 101

I'll add 2 more that can sometimes be bought around $18, Elijah Craig and Elmer T Lee.

robbyvirus
07-19-2006, 23:29
Old Grandad BIB and WT 101 get my vote. WL Weller too, if that counts.

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-20-2006, 00:26
I bought a bottle of Old Crow today. 950 yen which puts it well under ten dollars US, maybe under $9.00. I will probably try it tonight.

A lot of the bourbons mentioned in this thread are outside the price range here in Japan. I will use local prices in posting a list when I get around to it.
Ed

TimmyBoston
07-20-2006, 02:34
My favorites under $20 are:
Evan Williams 1783 $10
Buffalo Trace $16
Weller 12 $18

I think all three of those are great and they won't break the bank. Especially the 1783, IMO the best value in bourbon, $10 and I have never been disappointed with a single pour.

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-20-2006, 06:58
I got my first bottle of Old Crow today. Had a wee pour. It is okay. Spirity, burns a bit for the proof. Tastes young. But there were some interesting flavors in there. I could drink it if I didn't have so many other options.
Ed

photogjunkie
07-20-2006, 13:22
My top two favorite bourbons which can be purchased in my area for a price point not exceeding $.02 per ml would have to be:

Old Charter 12yo (just makes the cut if bought in 1.75ml bottle)

Old Fitzgerald Prime (way cheap at only $19.99 for a 1.75 bottle)

miller542
07-20-2006, 13:37
In no particular order:

Ancient Ancient Age (10 yr or 10 star)
Very Old Barton
Old Taylor

OscarV
07-20-2006, 13:43
Old Crow with lots of crushed ice works for me.
But I gotta admit, as I am typing this I am sipping an Old Charter 12 Year Old neat, like the label says "The Classic 90"

hollywood
07-20-2006, 14:40
Well, how "blue collar" do we have to get!? If I had to go below a $10 spot, I don't mind going with Old Charter 8 year. A fifth runs $9.99! I actually like the taste on this one. I keep a bottle or two around.

smokinjoe
07-20-2006, 14:55
I would start with bourbons like the AAA 10 yr and Very Rare Old Heavan Hill 10 that qualify price wise (and I love), but, I can't readily get them here in Atlanta. So, the inexpensive, blue collar bourbons that I can get here and enjoy are Ezra Brooks and Old Forrester 100. Actually, IMO, the plain Ezra Brooks, which can be had for $15.00 for the 1.75L, may be one of the most under-rated and underappreciated bourbons I can think of.

JOE

cowdery
07-20-2006, 19:09
I just bought a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof for $9.99.

Hard to beat that.

wadewood
07-20-2006, 19:16
I just bought a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof for $9.99.

Hard to beat that.
not that hard; I'll take the Rittenhouse Rye BIB for $11.99 :rolleyes:

It aged another 2 years (4 vs. 6) than the 80 proof version.

I did see your other post and know they were out of the BIB.

TimmyBoston
07-21-2006, 02:17
I recently picked up a bottle of Old Forrester 100 and opened it tonight. I really like it and it's a great pour for under $13. Another choice is Saz, Jr. I got my bottle for under $14.

FlashPuppy
07-21-2006, 19:24
ALL HANDS! - Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey. I have no idea who makes it, how old it is (I am assuming the four year minimum), or why it is so cheap. I just payed $5.87 for a liter. Oh yeah, you can only get it on base at the Navy Exchange, since it is on base, there is also no sales tax. :grin: Tastes pretty good to me. WAY better than, say, JB White. I *think* that it is a HH product from the taste, seems familiar, just can't place it. If anybody is interested in a bottle let me know.

T47
07-21-2006, 20:15
I guess for me my cheap bottle that I enjoy would be the Rittnehouse Rye 100 Proof. If I had to pick a Bourbon it would be EC 12. Here it is about $18. I find it flavorful enough to enjoy. I have tried AA and found it pretty bland. I guess I would prefer a better beer than a cheap Bourbon, I need flavor.

tmas
07-21-2006, 20:27
My top two favorite bourbons which can be purchased in my area for a price point not exceeding $.02 per ml would have to be:

Old Charter 12yo (just makes the cut if bought in 1.75ml bottle)

Old Fitzgerald Prime (way cheap at only $19.99 for a 1.75 bottle)


Well you see, that's something you folks out there in true bourbon country have to be truly grateful for! Over here in the Empire State I don't believe I've ever seen a 1.75 lt bottle of bourbon. It's either 750ml or liter, so we don't get those great bargains! Tom V

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-22-2006, 07:15
Well you see, that's something you folks out there in true bourbon country have to be truly grateful for! Over here in the Empire State I don't believe I've ever seen a 1.75 lt bottle of bourbon. It's either 750ml or liter, so we don't get those great bargains! Tom V

I can second that. Most of the bourbons mentioned in this thread are either not available to me, at least not off the shelf, or are priced in the mid to upper twenties. Buffalo Trace, for instance is 2800 to 2900 yen. More expensive than ETL.
Ed

ratcheer
07-22-2006, 08:54
Buffalo Trace, for instance is 2800 to 2900 yen. More expensive than ETL.
Ed

That's just insane. But, you are lucky.

Tim

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-22-2006, 09:37
That's just insane. But, you are lucky.

Tim

I know, Tim, I know. It could always be better, but it could be worse, too.
Ed

Isoflex
07-24-2006, 10:12
Some of my favorite blue collars would be, in order of preference with FC 103 being my favorite:

Henry McKenna 1.75L/$16.99
Old Forrester 86 1.75L/$21.39
Elijah Craig 12 y.o. .75L/about $14
Rebel Yell 1.75L/$20.50
Fighting Cock 103 1.75L/$26.99

These may not be "blue collar" enough but they are ones I like. Others I've had (EW1783, AA 10 star, JB White, J.T.S. Brown, and others) though good don't really have enough panache to make me want to buy them again.

Of course I've never met a bourbon I didn't like.

jspero
07-26-2006, 12:00
I think my favorites in this range are:

ER SB at $16.99 (I know its more than $15, but just barely)
WL Weller at $14.99
EW 1783 at $10.50
Pikesville Rye at $8.99

I haven't had the nerve to try some of the others. I'm contemplating HH BIB, AA, and Ten High, but just can't seem to pull the trigger on them yet.

Jay

Powertrip
07-26-2006, 20:01
For what's available in Canada, my favorite is just basic Evan Williams Kentucky Straight...

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-26-2006, 22:21
I got something in the right price range that I have never tried before, Rebel Yell. It cost me 1,180 yen which puts it right around 10 dollars. I will let you know.
Ed

Powertrip
07-27-2006, 08:18
I like Elijah Craig 12 year.

This is damn good "Blue Collar" bourbon! Mind you, here in Canada its not $15 a bottle....:lol:

Nebraska
07-27-2006, 17:07
My Blue collar/work horse bourbons are:

Rittenhouse Rye BIB
Virginia Gentleman 90 $15

RickHouseMouse
07-27-2006, 17:28
Around here many of the whiskies listed either don't fall in the budget (<$15) catagory (EC12, Buf Trace, JB Black, WT101, ETL) or don't seem to be available locally (VOB, Rittenhouse, AAA 10yr, EW 1783).

That said I haven't really found any bottom shelf bourbons which I really consider a bargain. The stuff that's available for just a couple of dollars more is, to me, so much better. A couple of budget bourbons worth mentioning though:
Evan Williams Black Label ~$11 - As close as it gets. An enjoyable bourbon, just falls a bit short of the ~$17 bourbons.
Rebel Yell ~$12 - Unique as a bottom shelf bourbon as it's fairly smooth yet still has a lot character & flavor. This one was a favorite of mine when I could get it for $6.99 / 750ml at Trader Joes in California. But here at $12 bottle isn't as interesting.Now when you lift the price threshold to $18 there are a bunch of excellent bourbons covering a variety styles:
JB Black
Weller 12yr
WT 101
Old Charter 10yr (haven't tried the 12yr yet)I actually prefer these to most of the $20-$25 bourbons that I've tried including BT, EC12, WT Russell Reserve, OGD114.

JRomain
01-29-2007, 00:28
Buffalo Trace is the go to bourbon around here. Even convinced my favorite watering hole to rack a bottle.
I disagree simlpy because BT is harsh, dirty and yeasty.

ILLfarmboy
01-29-2007, 00:34
I disagree simlpy because BT is harsh, dirty and yeasty.

I must really like whiskey that's harsh, dirty and yeasty. Kinda like me, except the yeasty part.:grin:

TnSquire
01-29-2007, 09:35
This is damn good "Blue Collar" bourbon! Mind you, here in Canada its not $15 a bottle....:lol:

Your in Canada are any Bourbons < $15.00?

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-29-2007, 15:19
I got something in the right price range that I have never tried before, Rebel Yell. It cost me 1,180 yen which puts it right around 10 dollars. I will let you know.
Ed


I forgot to let you know what I thought.

Not bad at all, especially for the price. I still have the open bottle though, so it clearly didn't become a daily pour.

Ed

SBOmarc
01-29-2007, 15:35
I disagree simlpy because BT is harsh, dirty and yeasty.

Have never tried it, but I will be certain to look for those characteristics when I finally do.

bluesbassdad
01-29-2007, 15:45
Marc,

When I was in SoCal, I finally resorted to ordering Buffalo Trace from Binny's. To the best of my knowledge it was not and is not available on the shelves in your area.

In regard to the qualities, "harsh, dirty and yeasty", I just can't take that assessment seriously unless the bottle was defective. (However, I have noticed those qualities in a few posts the last few days.)

I found Buffalo Trace to be on the sweet side, perhaps a little too much so, depending upon the drinker's mood. I once described it as "more like dessert than appetizer".

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

TnSquire
01-29-2007, 15:50
:grin: Yeah what Dave said.

FlashPuppy
01-29-2007, 19:04
(However, I have noticed those qualities in a few posts the last few days.)


:lol: :slappin: :lol: :slappin: :lol: :slappin:

Sriously though, BT is a top notch pour for me. I don't find any of the attributes of which you are speaking. I find it quite pleasent, well mannered and sweet. Not as much so as ETL (another one of my standby's), but still quite sweet. Perhaps you got a bum bottle?

barturtle
01-29-2007, 20:55
When during the KBF Taste-off we were allowed to try a pair of products that were identical in every way except one of each group was chill-filtered and one wasn't, I thought that the chill-filtered one tasted like it had been cleaned and polished, whereas the non-chill-filtered product had a slightly more dirty taste that hinted at more to be unearthed flavor-wise. I preferred the dirty one.

emr454
01-31-2007, 06:08
I think Evan Williams black fits the criteria. I just picked up a liter here in NY for $12. The 1.75L is $20 locally.

Eric

RoyalWater
02-01-2007, 19:35
I wish I could find some of the prices mentioned by others. Bourbon must be steep in Ohio. Ancient Age is okay, a very one-dimensional bourbon, but Ancient Ancient Age is good. Ezra Brooks is good, I think the standard 3 yr/86 proof is better than Old Ezra (7 yr/ 101 proof). Old Grand Dad is good, but in Ohio OGD is at the top of the price range. Ten High is one I do not like, it is simply too sweet and the nose is awful; Ten High is okay for cooking, not for drinking. If Wild Turkey is in the price range in your state that's great, but here in Ohio it is a couple of dollars out of range. No one has mentioned Jim Beam Green, here it sells for almost the same price as White but I haven't yet tried it, any thoughts?

Jazzhead
02-01-2007, 21:37
There's a liquor store nearby that sells Dickel No. 12 for $14.99 and Heaven Hill 10YO 86 proof for $7.49. That's his 'n hers bottles of quality, higher proof whiskey for less than 23 bucks! (I help her with hers) :cool:

- Kurt

cowdery
02-02-2007, 16:10
I grew up in Ohio and, as a control state (the state is the sole distributor and controls retail prices), it is plagued by poor selection and high prices. The best solution is a visit to its convival southern neighbor.

Frodo
02-03-2007, 13:38
Your in Canada are any Bourbons < $15.00?

In Ontario, the cheapest bourbon is about $23 (JBW).

TnSquire
02-04-2007, 18:38
In Ontario, the cheapest bourbon is about $23 (JBW).

I don't care if you are Canadian.....$23 bucks for JBW is un-american!!:hot::grin:

ILLfarmboy
02-04-2007, 19:19
I believe 15 dollars was the upper limit for a fifth. There aren't many bourbons in my area that are both that cheep and in my opinion fit for drinkin' neat. EW black, Weller Antique (only one retailer), Dickle no.8 (not a bourbon I know) and perhaps OGD 86 and Old forester 86 if on sale. I'll have to check prices of those last two next time I'm out and about.

I tend to have expensive tastes, my Dad always says I have champaign tastes and a beer budget. But to me nothing is more blue collar than WT 101, not too expensive at 17.99-18.99 a fifth, most decently stocked watering holes carry it; even out here in the pucker-brush, good enough to drink neat but not to expensive to let someone use as a mixer.

Frodo
02-06-2007, 14:51
I don't care if you are Canadian.....$23 bucks for JBW is un-american!!:hot::grin:

I get it (I think?)!!

BrbnBorderline
02-27-2007, 17:25
Being in WA State with the state run liquor gestapo, liquor is expensive. For my cheap, everyday, "blue collar" bourbons, I drink Ancient Age 3 YO - 1.75l for $26, and Old Ezra 101 - $17 for 750 ml.

whiskeyhatch
03-11-2007, 20:26
I would like to suggest Ezra Brooks 90 proof. It's a little thin but for the price (just under $16 incl. tax for 750 ml) it's very pleasant. Nice nose, nice palate, nice burn. I'm enjoying it now neat, with some good, classic country music.

TNbourbon
03-11-2007, 20:30
I would like to suggest Ezra Brooks 90 proof. It's a little thin but for the price (just under $16 incl. tax for 750 ml) it's very pleasant. Nice nose, nice palate, nice burn. I'm enjoying it now neat, with some good, classic country music.

I'll throw in with you on that one. It's under $12 here per 750ml, and at 90 proof you have the option of adding your own water/Coke. Not bad at all. But, as Chuck C. would note, I wish I knew for sure who distilled it -- it's a David Sherman/Luxco brand.

Father&Son
03-11-2007, 21:35
I'll second both Tim and Whiskeyhatch on the Ezra Brooks 90 proof. Yes a little thin, but a nice bourbon at this price point. It would be my 2nd-place winner behind AAA 10-Star (also at 90 proof) which, to me, has more body and complexity. $12.90/L for 10-Star, $10.95/750ml for the Ezra Brooks here in Virginia.

Steve

whiskeyhatch
03-12-2007, 09:27
(In response to # 65) I am not sure exactly who distills this stuff. But I was inspecting the bottle to see if I could find out (it says Ezra Brooks Distilling - Louisville, Kentucky) and found something rather confusing. The front of the bottle says 'Kentucky Staight Bourbon' but on the side it says that it is charcoal filtered. It's my understanding that this process knocks it out of the Bourbon classification. Is that not correct?

TNbourbon
03-12-2007, 15:33
(In response to # 65) I am not sure exactly who distills this stuff. But I was inspecting the bottle to see if I could find out (it says Ezra Brooks Distilling - Louisville, Kentucky) and found something rather confusing. The front of the bottle says 'Kentucky Staight Bourbon' but on the side it says that it is charcoal filtered. It's my understanding that this process knocks it out of the Bourbon classification. Is that not correct?

Heaven Hill probably distills it for Luxco, as HH is the largest custom/bulk distiller in the bourbon industry, but there are other possibilities.
As for the charcoal filtration, almost every bourbon under 100 proof undergoes chill-filtering, which uses activated charcoal -- so, no, since filtering is subtracting from, not adding to, the bourbon, it doesn't affect the whiskey's status.