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Simplicio
09-24-2006, 00:27
I'm curious to know if anyone has encountered this product. It is called Buffalo Sharp (straight Bourbon whiskey), and is bottled by or for the French company SLAUR. On the label it says "Imported from Kentucky". It comes in four and eight year old versions.


I'm just wondering what distillery could be hiding behind the label.

FlashPuppy
09-24-2006, 18:30
Heaven Hill does a lot of obscure bottlings, but then again Buffalo Trace.... I would be willing to bet either one of these. I am sure BettyJo can confirm wether or not this is HH.

boone
09-24-2006, 18:31
Heaven Hill does a lot of obscure bottlings, but then again Buffalo Trace.... I would be willing to bet either one of these. I am sure BettyJo can confirm wether or not this is HH.

Nope, not us :grin:

OscarV
09-24-2006, 19:46
I found one place that said it was distilled in Frankfort, KY, and shipped to France and bottled there.
Frankfort only has Buffalo Trace,....correct?

FlashPuppy
09-24-2006, 20:12
Yep. Buffalo Trace it is then. BTW, welcome to the forums Simplicio.

Simplicio
09-24-2006, 21:35
Thanks for the replies. I have the eight year old and it's not bad; quite woody/resiny with some tobacco (I think), and a long bitter aftertaste. Not very sour, and somewhat heavy. Better than the last bourbon I had - JB Black. But then again, I've only begun drinking Bourbon recently!

Nebraska
09-25-2006, 12:44
Wow...what a description....good tasting notes. I'm thinking that might not be the bourbon for me however. Where are you at in China and what do you have available to you in the way of Bourbon?


My name is Mark by the way and welcome.

Rughi
09-27-2006, 21:40
I found one place that said it was distilled in Frankfort, KY, and shipped to France and bottled there.
Frankfort only has Buffalo Trace,....correct?
And Jim Beam...

Roger

FlashPuppy
09-27-2006, 22:04
And Jim Beam...

Roger

Jim Beam is in Clermont according to my Whiskey book by Michael Jackson. Am I missing something?

Rughi
09-27-2006, 22:31
Jim Beam is in Clermont according to my Whiskey book by Michael Jackson. Am I missing something?

When it suits them they label their products as "Frankfort*Clermont, Kentucky" (they use a dot between the cities). I think their two distilleries are more correctly stated as Clermont and Boston, but then I'm not a local and only have 2 or 3 Beam bottles since 1987 to check. Both of my Beam-era Grand-Dad bottles call out "Frankfort*Clermont" but the Knob Creek only lists Clermont.

I'm no expert on Beam, but they may have started printing Frankfort on some labels after the National Distillers sale, where they acquired at least three Frankfort area distilleries, Grand-Dad, Crow, and Taylor. I believe that none of these distill, only the Grand-Dad facility is active for bottling, and it appears that Beam may be slowly vacating the Crow rickhouses. Perhaps they only list Frankfort on labels of the brands that were _traditionally_ from Frankfort.

Roger

Ps I'm amazed at how little Beam product I have. Only 3 post-1987 bottles were easily found to check, when I could have easily pulled out 20 from HH, BT, ND, or even various incarnations of SW. I hadn't realized that about my stash...

jeff
09-28-2006, 05:23
Beam's Frankfort plant is the Old Grandad distillery. Currently they only age and bottle there. If this says it was distilled in Frankfort, I would bet it's Buffalo Trace unless it is an older bottling.

cowdery
09-28-2006, 17:39
27 CFR 5.36 Name and address.

(a) "Bottled by." (1) On labels of domestic distilled spirits
there shall be stated the phrase "bottled by," "packed by," or
"filled by," immediately followed by the name (or trade name) of the
bottler and the place where such distilled spirits are bottled. If the
bottler is the actual bona fide operator of more than one distilled
spirits plant engaged in bottling operations, there may, in addition, be
stated immediately following the name (or trade name) of such bottler
the addresses of such other plants.

(a)(6) The label may state the address of the proprietor's principal
place of business in lieu of the place where the bottling, distilling or
rectification operation occurred, if the address where the operation
occurred is indicated by printing, coding, or other markings, on the
label or on the bottle.

This is just paragraphs (1) and (6), so obviously there's a lot more to the "name and address" rules, but those are the highlights.

Paragraph (a)(6) explains why Four Roses says Lawrenceburg, KY on its labels, although no bottling is done there.

The rules are different (require more) for bottled in bond.

And producers may always provide more information than is required.

The two bottling plants Beam uses are at Clermont and Frankfort. Boston has a distillery, but no bottling, hence I've never seen "Boston" on a label.

Simplicio
10-07-2006, 02:31
So, it's either Buffalo Trace or a Beam product ...

To answer Mark's question from earlier: The only Bourbon that I have ever seen anywhere here, except for the Buffalo Sharp, are the JB white and black labels. They are often kept behind glass. It is quite odd to see JB white in a glass cabinet as if it were expensive cognac.

And it is pretty similar for other kinds of whisky as well. Very limited selection, usually only the widely available and bottom shelf brands.

Plenty of expensive cognac here, however.