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cowdery
10-23-2006, 14:51
I did this poll about 5 years ago. It's time to do it again.

FlashPuppy
10-23-2006, 14:54
Hell, I'd drink toilet water if I was stuck in the desert...

What defines a pinch? Some dive bar with JB and JD? Or is it a party with no bourbon period?

Parameters PLEASE!!!

cowdery
10-23-2006, 15:11
Give me a minute.

I couldn't figure out a way to do it with the board's poll function so we'll do it this way. What follows is a list of "standard" American whiskeys. Your job is to rate them 1 - 4, as follows.

1 = drinkable anytime
2 = drinkable in a pinch
3 = undrinkable
4 = don't know well enough to form an opinion

Just copy the list below and add your ratings.

Jim Beam White Label
Jack Daniel's Black Label
Evan Williams Black Label
Early Times Kentucky Whisky
Old Fitzgerald Prime
Maker's Mark
Wild Turkey 101
Bulleit Bourbon
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
George Dickel No. 12 Brand
Ten High
Buffalo Trace
Old Crow

FlashPuppy
10-23-2006, 15:15
Jim Beam White Label - 3
Jack Daniel's Black Label -2 (or a one if I am in the mood)
Evan Williams Black Label - 3
Early Times Kentucky Whisky -2
Old Fitzgerald Prime -4
Maker's Mark -1
Wild Turkey 101 -1
Bulleit Bourbon -2
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof -1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand -1
Ten High -3
Buffalo Trace -4
Old Crow -3

Not sure how that will compare with other's, but there ya' go.

jburlowski
10-23-2006, 15:54
Jim Beam White Label -2
Jack Daniel's Black Label - 2
Evan Williams Black Label - 2
Early Times Kentucky Whisky - 2
Old Fitzgerald Prime - 2
Maker's Mark - 1
Wild Turkey 101 -1
Bulleit Bourbon -1
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof -1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand -1
Ten High -3
Buffalo Trace -1
Old Crow -3

dougdog
10-23-2006, 16:13
Jim Beam White Label -2
Jack Daniel's Black Label-2
Evan Williams Black Label-2
Early Times Kentucky Whisky-2
Old Fitzgerald Prime-2
Maker's Mark-1
Wild Turkey 101-1
Bulleit Bourbon-1
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof-3
George Dickel No. 12 Brand-4
Ten High-2
Buffalo Trace-1
Old Crow-3

BourbonJoe
10-23-2006, 16:34
Jim Beam White Label-3
Jack Daniel's Black Label-2
Evan Williams Black Label-1
Early Times Kentucky Whisky-3
Old Fitzgerald Prime-1
Maker's Mark-1
Wild Turkey 101-1
Bulleit Bourbon-2
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof-1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand-1
Ten High-2
Buffalo Trace-1
Old Crow-3
Joe :usflag:

barturtle
10-23-2006, 17:02
Okay as much as I like to use JB White as my favorite whipping boy, there is not a bourbon on that list I consider undrinkable. Heck only two would be considered in a pinch.

I am going to take a different route. I'll assume that there is a shelf in my bar and that is all it contains and there will never be another shipment. What order do they disappear? (This assumes that I drink the best first and let my taste buds slowly get used to the diminished quality)

Wild Turkey 101
George Dickel No. 12 Brand
Buffalo Trace
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
Old Fitzgerald Prime
Makers Mark

Jim Beam White Label
Jack Daniel's Black Label
Evan Williams Black Label
Bulleit Bourbon
Early Times Kentucky Whisky
Ten High
Old Crow(wonder if vatting these last two would make them better-maybe even use the ET in that vatting)

SBOmarc
10-23-2006, 17:14
Jim Beam White Label 2
Jack Daniel's Black Label 2
Evan Williams Black Label 1
Early Times Kentucky Whisky 3
Old Fitzgerald Prime 4
Maker's Mark 1
Wild Turkey 101 1
Bulleit Bourbon 1
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof 1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand 1
Ten High 3
Buffalo Trace 4
Old Crow 4

Gillman
10-23-2006, 18:06
None of those bourbons or whiskeys is undrinkable! If any one considers them undrinkable I think they don't like whiskey. :)

Gary

BourbonJoe
10-23-2006, 18:16
Correct Gary. I don't like those particular whiskies and would not purchase them. That's not to say that if someone handed me a glass of the stuff I would not drink it. I just would not ask for a refill.
Joe

gmarston
10-23-2006, 18:25
Jim Beam White Label 2
Jack Daniel's Black Label 4
Evan Williams Black Label 1
Early Times Kentucky Whisky 1
Old Fitzgerald Prime 4
Maker's Mark 1
Wild Turkey 101 1
Bulleit Bourbon 1
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof 1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand 4
Ten High 4
Buffalo Trace 1
Old Crow 4

Gillman
10-23-2006, 18:37
A whiskey I could not drink, even well-doused in a cocktail, is the current Ancient Age bourbon. It is 3 years old and very feisty in taste. The white label Heaven Hill-branded whiskey is (I find) similar. I have enormous respect for these distilleries and their many fine products, but I find those particular whiskeys very hard to get down. But that is fine, unless one can understand the full range it is hard to appreciate how good their mid-range and best really is.

Then too clearly there are consumers who enjoy the taste of such products and that is fine, taste is personal.

Gary

FlashPuppy
10-23-2006, 19:07
A whiskey I could not drink, even well-doused in a cocktail, is the current Ancient Age bourbon.

Yep, I will buy that. I had a buddy pick up a 375ml of it for me, because he noticed I was lacking it (for a reason). It's still full, and I intend to keep it that way...

Virus_Of_Life
10-23-2006, 19:09
The only thing that I have found undrinkable was Black Velvet straight and I know I have had it in a cocktail which seemed fine. I have not had (that I recall) Old Crow, Ten High, Old Fitz Prime, Early Times or Dickel #12. A few ice cubes and I am sure I could get anything down if necessary... :drinking:

ProofPositive
10-23-2006, 19:11
Jim Beam White Label - 3
Jack Daniel's Black Label - 2
Evan Williams Black Label - 2
Early Times Kentucky Whisky - 4
Old Fitzgerald Prime - 2
Maker's Mark - 1
Wild Turkey 101 - 1
Bulleit Bourbon - 4
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof - 2
George Dickel No. 12 Brand - 1
Ten High - 4
Buffalo Trace - 1
Old Crow - 3

ratcheer
10-23-2006, 19:13
3 - Jim Beam White Label
2 - Jack Daniel's Black Label
2 - Evan Williams Black Label
4 - Early Times Kentucky Whisky
1 - Old Fitzgerald Prime
2 - Maker's Mark
1 - Wild Turkey 101
3 - Bulleit Bourbon
1 - Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
1 - George Dickel No. 12 Brand
4 - Ten High
4 - Buffalo Trace
3 - Old Crow

Tim

Barrel_Proof
10-23-2006, 19:39
None of those bourbons or whiskeys is undrinkable! If any one considers them undrinkable I think they don't like whiskey. :)

Gary

I'm with Gary on this one.

Furthermore, if those were the only whiskeys left, I would NOT drink my favorites among them first, but would, instead, hold my favorites until the end, to savor the final whiskey moments with the best I had.

TNbourbon
10-23-2006, 22:09
I, too, am in the 'nothing-is-undrinkable' crowd:

Jim Beam White Label: 2
Jack Daniel's Black Label: 2
Evan Williams Black Label: 1
Early Times Kentucky Whisky: 2
Old Fitzgerald Prime: 1
Maker's Mark: 1
Wild Turkey 101: 1
Bulleit Bourbon: 2
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof: 1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand: 1
Ten High: 2
Buffalo Trace: 1
Old Crow: 2

You can translate the above to mean: 1=drinkable neat; 2=drinkable as a mixer.

robbyvirus
10-23-2006, 23:28
2-Jim Beam White Label
2-Jack Daniel's Black Label
1-Evan Williams Black Label
3-Early Times Kentucky Whisky
4-Old Fitzgerald Prime
1-Maker's Mark
1-Wild Turkey 101
1-Bulleit Bourbon
1-Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
1-George Dickel No. 12 Brand
3-Ten High
1-Buffalo Trace
3-Old Crow

My definition of "undrinkable" is "I'll have a beer instead".

straightwhiskeyruffneck
10-24-2006, 01:02
3-Jim Beam White Label
2-Jack Daniel's Black Label
3-Evan Williams Black Label
4-Early Times Kentucky Whisky
3-Old Fitzgerald Prime
1-Maker's Mark
1-Wild Turkey 101
1-Bulleit Bourbon
1-Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
1-George Dickel No. 12 Brand
2-Ten High
1-Buffalo Trace
1-Old Crow

i put old crow on the #1's cause i really like it mixed and on the rocks....has anyone seen the 100 proof old crow at all? i really liked that stuff.

dougdog
10-24-2006, 09:05
A whiskey I could not drink, even well-doused in a cocktail, is the current Ancient Age bourbon. It is 3 years old and very feisty in taste. The white label Heaven Hill-branded whiskey is (I find) similar. I have enormous respect for these distilleries and their many fine products, but I find those particular whiskeys very hard to get down. But that is fine, unless one can understand the full range it is hard to appreciate how good their mid-range and best really is.

Then too clearly there are consumers who enjoy the taste of such products and that is fine, taste is personal.

Gary

None of those bourbons or whiskeys is undrinkable! If any one considers them undrinkable I think they don't like whiskey.

dougdog
10-24-2006, 09:08
Just messin' with ya Gary...please forgive!

Your friend,:grin:

dp

RedVette
10-24-2006, 09:27
Obviously my experience levels with bottom shelf stuff is limited. On the drinkable/not drinkable issue, if JB White is the only Bourbon available (like on an airplane) I will pass. It tastes bad, gives me a headache now and a hangover later.

3-Jim Beam White Label
2-Jack Daniel's Black Label
2-Evan Williams Black Label
4-Early Times Kentucky Whisky
2-Old Fitzgerald Prime
1-Maker's Mark
1-Wild Turkey 101
1-Bulleit Bourbon
2-Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
4-George Dickel No. 12 Brand
4-Ten High
1-Buffalo Trace
4-Old Crow

Gillman
10-24-2006, 10:40
That's okay Doug, nice to hear from you. :)

I never said all bourbon was drinkable; I said those Chuck asked us to comment on were.

I must say Jim Beam White gave me moment for pause, but I feel it is a drinkable bourbon. I had it the other day and I thought it was better than it has been for some time. Also, well into the 80's, it was an excellent whiskey. Maybe it went through a bad patch.

Gary

dougdog
10-24-2006, 11:03
Between connecting flights to KY (On Continental) I get a free pass to the President's Clubs in the Houston terminal...the only Bourbon on the bar there is Beam White...after a couple, I don't care that it is Beam White any more...

It's funny...On the planes, when I ask for a bourbon, they get out a mini of JD, (I've given up on trying to educate the staff)...so I ask for a Single Malt Scotch...they bring out White Horse, Dewars or some other blend...

Now it's the choice of "the lesser of the two evils"

...it used to be that I would get one of the two, drink it down quickly, grab a self procured mini from my carry-on stash and dump it discretely into the already purchased plastic cup. F$*#ing TSA...but anyway, the "poor whiskey" dilemma was solved!

Gotta give credit where credit is due tho...the last flight had JB Black label...imagine my delight!

dp

Nebraska
10-24-2006, 16:11
You'll note there are a lot of 4's in that group. I have a tendency to stay away from things that are readily available here, I guess because I know they are readily available. Jack Daniel's I maybe could try again, but younger years just about ruined that for me. I actually enjoy Bulliet a great deal, Buffalo Trace grew on me and I like it quite a bit too.

I only recently bought the Maker's Mark and have it stuck where I don't often reach. I don't generally mix, but am talking myself into looking for a variety of ginger ales (I do like Ginger Ale immensely)


3-Jim Beam White Label
3-Jack Daniel's Black Label
4-Evan Williams Black Label
4-Early Times Kentucky Whisky
4-Old Fitzgerald Prime
4-Maker's Mark
4-Wild Turkey 101
1-Bulleit Bourbon
4-Old Grand-Dad 86 proof
4-George Dickel No. 12 Brand
4-Ten High
1-Buffalo Trace
4-Old Crow

T47
10-24-2006, 22:07
Like a couple other people have written; if handed to me I could drink any of them. I am still amazed by the whole process and really have found something to appreciate in all of them.
Gary, even AA for me was "OK", kind of spicy, not a nice rye spice but maybe pepper. Just to make sure, I am sipping some right now. I have had this bottle for quite a while, and will probably have it for a while yet to come with so many more enjoyable bottles around it do drink from.

To those who created the process's of distillation and aging...:thankyousign:


To those who spend even more time on their product and baby it along for the extra years and care :bowdown:

Gillman
10-25-2006, 04:58
Well, there is a great range of whisk(e)y out there. Most of it is good or excellent but there is a handful I do not enjoy in any form. (I am setting aside a discussion of vatting since even a fair-to-middling whiskey can show up very well in a proper vatting).

I have found in general that very young whiskey or very old whiskey is not to my taste. E.g. the regular-aged Potrero whiskeys leave me cold due to what I assume is their congeneric quality. A whiskey such as XO strikes me as too dry and flavorless. But there are always exceptions. E.g. McCarthy's malt whisky, a Scots-style all-malt peated whiskey made in Oregon, is aged only 3 years but I find it very good. Maybe the peat covers over some of the distillery character. KBD's Vintage 25 year old bourbon whiskey was superb as is the current 17 year old. I have always enjoyed EC 18 (some of which is in the early 20's of age). Whiskeys of median age I do not like: some WR (e.g. the first release of 4 grain, I haven't tried the second one) and, say, 1783 which strikes me as congeneric ("cooked vegetable") and awkward.

I do enjoy a touch of congeneric character when it is balanced by good wood and char character, e.g., Old Heaven Hill BIB, I think it is 6 years old, and Evan Williams Black Label, which is probably the same whiskey but batched and now a bit younger.

Of the ones mentioned by Chuck, I guess Beam White (still), Crow, Ten High (which I tried again on my last trip to Bardstown) and Old Fitzgerald (sampled two trips ago) would get my lowest ranking - acceptable but not the finest. I would rank GD, JD 80 proof, Maker's and OGD in the middle and the rest at the top.

If I had to pick one, I'd say BT is the best followed by Bulleit, then WT 101.

Gary

jspero
10-25-2006, 11:11
1 = drinkable anytime
2 = drinkable in a pinch
3 = undrinkable
4 = don't know well enough to form an opinion

Jim Beam White Label - 3
Jack Daniel's Black Label - 2
Evan Williams Black Label - 2
Early Times Kentucky Whisky - 3
Old Fitzgerald Prime - 1
Maker's Mark - 1
Wild Turkey 101 - 1
Bulleit Bourbon - 2
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof - 2
George Dickel No. 12 Brand - 1
Ten High - 4
Buffalo Trace - 1
Old Crow - 4

CrispyCritter
10-25-2006, 19:57
1 = drinkable anytime
2 = drinkable in a pinch
3 = undrinkable
4 = don't know well enough to form an opinion

Jim Beam White Label: 4 (Black Label: 1)
Jack Daniel's Black Label: 2
Evan Williams Black Label: 4
Early Times Kentucky Whisky: 4
Old Fitzgerald Prime: 4 (BIB: 1)
Maker's Mark: 1
Wild Turkey 101: 1
Bulleit Bourbon: 4
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof: 4 (BIB & 114: 1)
George Dickel No. 12 Brand: 1
Ten High: 4
Buffalo Trace: 1
Old Crow: 4

Geo
10-27-2006, 16:56
In a pinch... I hate to say.. but Jack Daniels or Wild Turkey 101

mozilla
02-07-2007, 13:46
1 = drinkable anytime
2 = drinkable in a pinch
3 = undrinkable
4 = don't know well enough to form an opinion

Jim Beam White Label: 3 (Black Label: 2)
Jack Daniel's Black Label: 3
Evan Williams Black Label: 3
Early Times Kentucky Whisky: 3
Old Fitzgerald Prime: 2 (BIB: 1)
Maker's Mark: 2
Wild Turkey 101: 1
Bulleit Bourbon: 3
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof: 1
George Dickel No. 12 Brand: 2
Ten High: 4
Buffalo Trace: 1
Old Crow: 3

Chuck, I'm currious to why there is only one Barton product on the list? I would muck rather drink Tom Moore Bib. or Ridgemont over a few other options on the board. Hope my opinion helps.

straightwhiskeyruffneck
02-07-2007, 13:52
i dont think there's any bourbon thats undrinkable, that said i think old crow is a fine choice for mixed drinks and occasionally neat. actually i buy it by the 1.75L!

nickynick
02-07-2007, 15:06
Jim Beam White Label 2
Jack Daniel's Black Label 2
Evan Williams Black Label 1
Early Times Kentucky Whisky 4
Old Fitzgerald Prime 4
Maker's Mark 1
Wild Turkey 101 1
Bulleit Bourbon 4
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof 2
George Dickel No. 12 Brand 1
Ten High 4
Buffalo Trace 1
Old Crow 4

cowdery
02-07-2007, 17:26
Chuck, I'm currious to why there is only one Barton product on the list? I would muck rather drink Tom Moore Bib. or Ridgemont over a few other options on the board. Hope my opinion helps.

I was trying to keep the list fairly short, limited to "standard" whiskeys (which would exclude 1792), and limited to whiskeys that are widely available (hence no VOB or, for that matter, Tom Moore). Ten High is the most widely available "mainstream" American whiskey from Barton.

snakster
02-09-2007, 11:34
Jim Beam White Label - 2
Jack Daniel's Black Label - 1
Evan Williams Black Label - 2
Early Times Kentucky Whisky - 2
Old Fitzgerald Prime - 4
Maker's Mark - 2
Wild Turkey 101 - 2
Bulleit Bourbon - 1
Old Grand-Dad 86 proof - 2
George Dickel No. 12 Brand - 4
Ten High - 4
Buffalo Trace - 1
Old Crow - 4

Special Reserve
02-09-2007, 16:22
I've decided that most everything is drinkable in a pinch liquors that I've never tasted before including non-bourbon liquor. One catch, there is never in a pinch. I drink a drink because I made a conscious decision to have a drink. If only a lower shelve drink is available so be it. You never know you may find something that you like.

I hope this does not offend anyone. I may add this is after a finger of Weller Antique and Eagle Rare 101.