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dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 08:14
Jono while Publicker owned the Plant everything was kept up, and even back in the Early 1980's when they were leasing The Bottling House and tankage and some other buildings after they sold it, it was all still kept up. When they sold their Plants in Phila and quit the Alcohol Bussiness the Guy from new York that had bought the Kinsey Plant saying he was going to make a industrial Park out of the rest of it, Just locked it up a week or so after Continental Left. Shut down the Boilers turned the power off and left it rot. The Sad part was in 1986 all the Old Buildings were still in good shape the House Down back had a new roof and There was power to all the Old Buildings till the man whose Last Name is Ostricker who still owns it just got rid of all the people who worked in storage for him and the Boiler rooms in the Plant for him and shut it all down and walked away.

Now it is in Ruin if only someone would have steped in and saved all the front buildings including old #12 they could have made a great History Museum of it and made the Warehouses into Condo's and called it the Condo's At Kinsey Distillery Museum! Everything was shut off in fall 1986. And time has taken its toll and Kids have done their share too!
I guess he just pays the taxes and writes it off.
Sometimes I swear I hear Jake Kinsey saying How can this Be! All of the Old Buildings on Page 25 that I just posted this morning all had power till fall 1986.

One last thing the New Nikon Camera is Amazing the shots I took in the 1966 Bottle House were in total Darkness and they look like the lights are on there.
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 09:38
Here are some more shots from Sunday to add to the ones back on the page before.
Pictures are
1. thru 6. Colapsed Racks in Old 1892 Kinsey Warehouse A & B
7. Looking out from the #10 Rye barn
8. & 9. Walls of Warehouses A & B
10. Looking across from old #12 Still site to Warehouses F & G across where the Train used to come in across our Bridge
11. Back wall Of #10 Rye Barn Dsp-Pa-10
12.Looking From Where The Top of The Still was to the Bottom
13. & 14. Grain Buildings
15. The Plant Maintance Barn
16. Piles Of Bricks lay where the Old Plant Office once stood Mr Harold Reinert, Plant Manager, Ruth Harrington and Linda letter used to work inthere Plus Walter Beeber.

I will post the last of the Pictures tomorrow and there are some great ones of the Old Bottling house plus others
Dave Z
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It Seems All the Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jono
11-12-2008, 10:18
Dave have you seen this? Not sure if posted before or not.

http://www.ellenjaye.com/kin_kinsey.htm

dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 11:12
Yes Jono I have seen that one and I even e mailed them to tell them some of my Inside Information but they have never responded to me! I was not happy when they speculated that they did not know if Old #12 had been used ever by Continental. I wanted to tell them Yes till Spring 1951 but they never answered me back. I just wanted to share some of my information with them for their site for History Sake which is very nice and informative but it never happened! So I put it here and Let people enjoy it, and as Long as I can talk to the Old Guys I will continue.

By The way on this page the Pictures of Brick & Wood Warehouses A & B Which Kinsey built right after He founded the Place 1892 are the Ones I mentioned That Ludy Said they used a Y Shaped Chain with two hooks on one end to put on each side of the barrel Head and one hook to put on the Lift above on the inside of the roof. Sounded very Dangerous lowering the Full barrels that way But Ludy said they never Had one pop loose and fall so guess it worked the way it should!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-13-2008, 08:55
here are some more of the Pictures i took at Kinsey on Sunday with my New Camera!
1.thru 4./ Kinsey Dsp-Pa- 10 Rye barn
5. & 6.Alley between Warehouse D & E and Old Bottle House
7. Alley between Back #10 Barn and Bottling house which was built in the early 1930's Before prohibition they used the #10 barn Which was Built in 1892
8. Back side room in Old Kinsey Bottling house and the two front rooms which ran 3 lines 1930's and in the 1940's when Continental ran it for a while for whiskeys 3 shifts as Ludy told me! The Whole Building was then used for the making of Liqours such as Caffe Lolita and Peanut Lolita. Note the old Blending Tank might even be one Ludy used back when He blended whiskey in there for Labels such as Maywood Blended! Also the Cathonic & Anonic Tanks and filter tank! Old Stairs to the tops floor rooms, Take note of the Red Painted spots on walls and Posts they had fire extinguers mounted where ever there is a red Spot.
I will Post some more tomorrow or Late today Here!
Dave Z
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America's most magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-16-2008, 05:32
Here are some more shots from my trip to Kinsey Last week!
1. You can still read Warehouse D on this Old Kinsey warehouse built at the turn of the Century.
2. The Building put on Warehouse D to put the Fire Mains when Continental Bought Kinsey
3. Set of Rails to put on big rails to take in or out Barrels going into Warehouse D
4. Stenciled writting with Union Local on there
5. Kinsey Rye stenciled
6. Kinsey Stenciled
7. Joe 44 stamped with the old time Barrel marker that they used to stamp barrels back in the old days. Joe would Have Been My Old friend Joe Machukas
8. & 9. More stenciling from back in the 1940's
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-16-2008, 09:10
Here are 3 more pictures from out front of the House George Dill a Kinsey Company man lived in and also the company Nurse that drank Bourbon and Coffee had her office on the first floor of this old House. Another note about this house Ludy told me at the end before Jacob Kinsey went Bankrupt He moved in this house from the house down back. Around 1937,1938.
Dave Z
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Jono
11-16-2008, 11:54
What the photos clearly demonstrate is how nature takes back within a very short period of time.....sapplings become trees and trees will break wood and brick structures over time....roots uplift, branches intertwine and push in....just like those jungle covered Mayan cities....you would never know they were there unless you did aerial surveillance or stumbled upon some stonework.

dave ziegler
11-17-2008, 08:52
Here are the last of the Pictures I took at Kinsey last Sunday
It sadly is as you said Jono Trees and weeds and abandonment have taken their toll on Kinsey in these Last 22 yrs since it closed forever! Some Kid walking there one day said to me, did they make Wine here He did not have a clue

1. Old Home made Light Stand with Explosion Proof Light that went sideways
2.Where the Wall of Old Warehouse D and Kinsey Dsp-Pa-10 meet to form one wall
3. Looking toward the Old Bottle House and Barn from the Maintaince Barn
4. & 5. Attic of Maintaince Barn was always used for storing New Electrical stuff
6. 2nd floor of the Maintaince barn used to keep machines back in the day
7. Old Ladder in #10 Barn
8. looking over from the Maintaince Barn at the 1966 Bottling house the Docks
9. Sign on Building M
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jono
11-17-2008, 09:00
What is ridiculous is that there appears to be a tremendous amount of heavy timber that could be reclaimed and sold at a profit....rather than let rot away.
Same for the metal....sad as it is....either recycle it or watch it rust away.
The bricks have value too.....

Fools....but I am sure there is some "rational" economic reason to just abandon it.....isn't there a local government interest in the property?

I am surprised it has not been taken over by meth labs, crack house operations, homeless squaters etc.

dave ziegler
11-18-2008, 02:43
One of the things that really made me mad was in around 2002 a group said they were going to make a propane electric Power plant there so they got a option to buy from the guy who ownes it in NY.

Well no one wanted that who lived near there so the whole time they were there all they did was steal metal while saying they were restoring it to people around here. They are the rats that tore down old #12 just to get copper and stuff. And all the heat pipe lines and any Whiskey that was still there. A friend of mine talked to one of the people that worked for them back then and he bragged that he got all kinds of Whiskey in bottles there.

Then he said I thought since it was old it would be no good and he tossed it! They were in there for about 1 3/4 yrs and stole all they could then gave back their option and went on their way leaving Kinsey in more ruin!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-19-2008, 02:39
Cold days like this take me back to working on the yard gang at Kinsey. On a cold Day like this morning I would get in and John Zuber our boss would say we have Box cars of Coal coming today and then we would be climbing up into coal cars knocking the coal that was stuck loose. They would run the coal cars right behind the Grain Building and we would unload coal for days but then we would be good for a fairly long time.

It was one job I did hate very much but it had to be done as every building had heat piped by Asbertos covered pipes on steel uprights from the out front boilers all the way to the very back of the plant to the last warehouse #38 just before the steer pens and even to the Fire pump room I found a couple of weeks ago out in the woods. The pipes kept the Maintaince busy making sure they did not leak. Miles of Heat pipes to everything from the New bottle house to the scale house out back.

And even in the winter once they started taking the barrel racks out we would also be doing that year round.

We would also haul broken Bottles ruined card board boxes and junk down to the dump also. The Old Tractor and wagon 8 -N Ford and the old 1951 Ford Pickup would be running every day hauling stuff.
Dave Z
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It seems All The Nicest People Drink old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-20-2008, 02:28
When I first started writting about Kinsey I had spoken about the Plant Nurse and that she always had coffee with Bourbon every day. A couple of Months ago I saw and remembered her name and that she had passed on. She lived to be in her very Late 80's so she did good. She was really a very nice Person but she sure was funny after around 2:00-PM and she had drank her Coffee out of a big cup with a couple of shots of Bourbon. After talking to Ludy I remembered that her Office was in the Yellow and white house out front which I posted pictures the other day of. She was on the first floor and my old friend George Dill company man for 30 yrs+ lived on the second floor as his wife died years before. Kinsey Had this kind of family thing about it with 3 company Homes in which one lived in the House to the far front George in the Yellow House and down at the old Kinsey House near the river the Company had made it into to large family apartments for Mr Thomas Holman Bryant second floor and Mr Ed Zuka on the first floor. My Old Friend Milton Shantz I worked with when I started there told me untill they made Warehouse U the new bottling house into a Bottle House there had been another company home where the Big Black tanks sit behind the Bottle House and it had to be torn down to put them there. When I worked there with so many People you would always see someone to say hello to and Kinsey people were very friendly down to earth people. People from all over up state Pa like the coal regions had moved down there to work at Kinsey. Most People that lived in Linfield walked to work and worked there. For 94 Years Kinsey Distillery was the biggest Employer in all of Limerick Township. And It is sad for me to see it sit forgotten just a memeory from the Past but back in those days 600 People depended on making a very good living there!
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-21-2008, 05:43
In 1986 People went home from work at Continental in Linfield Called Publicker Packaging then do to bottling Chemicals and Antifreeze instead of Whiskey and the next day they came in found it closed forever! However any long term Employee got a call the next day telling them they would get their Pension and All of them got a call about severence Pay. So even in the end they did their best to do what was right. There are so many times I wish even though it closed yrs later that I would never have left. After leaving The Job the neighbor taked me into was terrible and after that I made way less money for many years. But you can't go back. Everytime I walk through there I find something new or Memories come back to me. And to this day those Living that worked there remain friends. Kinsey was always a great place to work and the money for those times was very good. When I show people my pay stub for Dec 1969 they can't believe it. It never fails someone will say Dam you made good money! I had a nice car, nice clothes and was doing good there. And the Boss's were all very nice people no rotten boss's there.

My Job of 18 yrs was just a whole different story one day severence pay walked out due to down sizing one month before 18 yrs and Boss's that treated you like trash! So to anyone who is young and really has a good job you like stick to it the other side of the street is never as good most times. If you have a job you Like stay with it theres so much to be said for liking what you do.

I am very lucky that these last 9 yrs and 3 months I have worked at a great place that like Kinsey is wonderful to work for. And I enjoy going in just like I did back then. My First Boss at Kinsey John Zuber was a great guy and never pushed you to do anything but what was needed to get things done. In the Warehouse my Lead man Jack Rayser was a great person and all my Lead man boss's treated us good. Work was fun and pay was swell!

And I worked with great people Like my Friend Ludy!
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Dave Z
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It seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-24-2008, 06:30
Here are some Pictures I got outside and inside in total darkness of the 1966 Continental Bottling house.
Pictures 1 thru 3 are of the two foot ball field length dock
Picture 4 is almost the side of the Building I was standing way back and still could not get it all in the picture


The next pictures are of tankage lines bottling machines I also got a shot of the pastry Machine in the Lunch room and the Candy Machine with old dried up display stuff in the front! And the refride one of many with a old Lunch bag from 1986! Next a trip into the Door Marked General Office where there sits a very old Early Computer, a nurses station with pills and medicines still on the table. And the door into the room. The last Picture is of the giant tanks at the far outside end of the bottle house.

It is sure sad that things ended this way. And I still can hardly beoieve this has happened to what was the world largest Bottling House for spirits when it opened.
There will be more postings here today and there will be a posting later today on the bottling house thread of Singer Bottling Machines in Building O. I found a old sign that States Kinsey Distilling Corporation Distillery # 10 and I will post a picture of it later today here on the Memories thread!
Also at 4:30 this morning I posted pictures on the Fire Observation thread!
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-24-2008, 09:28
Here are the last of the pictures I took on Sunday 110 of them altogether with my new Camera.
Picture 1. The Well at Warehouse H
2.Stuck my camera in H as far as I could get it as door blocked by large Cement Block The sign that says about Fire is on the Only surviving Frieght Elevator in the Old Warehouses.
3. Door Blocked Warehouse H a shame as this is the building where my Dads Nickname is on the rail ( Ziggy )
4. Shot into the biggest silo
5. through 25 All shots of the Old Grain Building last two of these shots shows a hole where the worm ran out the Grain to the Old # 12 Still! And the Large Wooden Bins on the second floor but the stairs are gone when they tore part of the building down so held my Camera up and zoomed from the ground
26. This is the Old Doorway we would come through to the tunnel where we took are breaks when I worked on the Yard gang
27. Here is the sign I talked about I found
28. Looking At where the Office building was Mr Reinhert Plant Manager Had his office and what is left of the old Kinsey Bottle House.
29. Old Whiskey Tank and wood Gauge to show amount in tank
30. Old Blender of the type Ludy used to Blend Whiskey in there.
31. Old Fire fighting Pull tank in the Grain drying Building also pictures of where Charlie kept his Buggy and showing the hard right turn he had to make when He came flying out of there every morning going into second gear as he made the sharp turn!
Last Picture is of the Fire escape Stair well in Building J very Dark but they as I said were sealed and you could only get in them from the roof or the little Porchs from the Doors in the warehouse walls on on each of the 3 floors!
I will continue to try and find shots that show how things were and to find stuff I have not posted!
Finding that sign again was another surprise for me and I am glad I got a shot as to Big for me to carry!
My Little Emergency Phone has been a blessing as it lets me go there by myself without having to worry if I need Help.
I hope to hear comments on the posting on these 3 threads and hope the pictures are Helpful!
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-26-2008, 02:39
When I go to Kinsey and take pictures I am always amazed at the way things were built there. The Beams in the old Grain building are so strong and good that even though they tore down the front part the rest stands strong. Holding those large wooden bins above which I can not get to as no stairs.

That is one place I never got to explore back when I worked in the yard gang there I did most including Charlies Grain drying Building. The Picture of the old time Electric meter is on the wall in Charlies building the Grain dryer building and on the other side is the only Boiler left the old oil one the two coal ones having been torn down. I showed a guy at work some of the pictures and he said boy would I love to have some of them posts and beams from that old building to put into a new house they are something else.

It was always interesting when they brought Fork lifts into the old Warehouses like the ones I have posted on the other threads the old orange ones the wrong type for that. They would bring them on one of the old Ford trucks and put down a large flat metal plate and just very quickly run them over the plate onto the dock.

The dock was not designed for fork trucks so you really had to be careful not to get stuck. They brought the Fork lifts from the new bottle House and they were not designed for that type of dock but once they were in did a good job lifting the 337 W.G Barrels onto the Piles we made in Building L. It was moving them across the pile that was hell we did it in teams but how I do not know and no one ever got hurt.

Boy did they leak at the bottom head sitting upright. When it came time to empty them we had pumps and pumped the whiskey into the Troughs. The 337 Gal Barrels that it talkes about on that paper also had chared pieces of White oak put in them through the bung hole that they called floaters to get a better whiskey by making sure all of it touched the Chared wood.
Does anyone else know of any Distiller that tried this big a size of Wooden Barrels or was this a Publicker Idea only?
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-26-2008, 16:19
I was just sitting here tonight and I decided to pour myself out a shot of Kinsey Silver from the old 1965 Pint Ludy gave me the past spring and as I have said before find it to be a delightful Blended Whiskey. I never was much for Blended and when I did drink it drank our Philadelphia Blended but now that I have this Kinsey Silver 86.6 Proof I find it to be better then the Phila Blended and it is very neat to Drink the Kinsey Brand for me after all these years it being gone. And as I drink it I lift a toast to Jacob G Kinsey. To think that at Age 75 He would try to make it again as a Distiller of Fine Whiskeys is amazing as most people do not do much at age 75 but Mr Kinsey never gave up trying.
Dave Z
This is the complete Kinsey Solgan!
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Jono
11-26-2008, 22:41
Dave, maybe you have answered this before...

When and why did you leave Kinsey and what were your thoughts at the time (about the company)?

Did you have family who worked there?

dave ziegler
11-27-2008, 03:52
Jono For your question about Family working there My Father worked at Kinsey for about 3 years then got a job driving truck for Jones Motors which is what he wanted to do after He got out of the Army Air Corps when WWII ended. He Had some friends there and they became my friends, so much so that Ludy does not even remember my Dad but remembered me as soon as I talked to him! Dad worked there from around 1947 year I was Born till 1951.

Other friends were my Dads old Friend Lou Stefy who became a good friend of mine and Old Ben Meyers my first Boss when I went into the Warehouse from the yard gang. When He found out who my dad was he gave me an easy job!

As for Leaving I was just plain dumb! I worked at Kinsey from 1966 till early 1972 5 1/2 yrs We Had a neighbor who kept telling me I should come work where He did at Baker Equipment which was about a mile and a half from my House. Day after day he would tell me how great it would be to work there. Well I finnally quit Kinsey and went there to find that I just Hated the place and having to always buy tools made alot less Money too! A couple years later I tried to get back and Mr Harold Reinert the Plant Boss wanted to give me a job back but they were slow then so he could not.

It was not more then 3 weeks after I left Kinsey that I was mad as heck about having done it. I kept in touch with a bunch of the guys and always wished I would have not left. Even if I would have lost my Job There in 1979 or after they did Antifreeze in 1986 I would have made alot more money and had a happy Job.

Instead I became a truck driver Like my father but made half what he did and less then working at Kinsey and because of 18 years driving have many Back and leg troubles too!
Kinsey Was a wonderful place to work but when you are young sometimes People talk you into stuff that is just plain stupid. So I worked two times harder for less money for many years.

Thankfully after 18 yrs the Plating Company I drove truck for downsized me and I got my wonderful Office job where I am now.
So I always tell young People don't always think that the other side of the street is better as you may make the biggest mistake of your Life.
This is why I love to go back there and remember great days great People and a great Job.
Where I worked for 18 yrs was like working in Hell.
Dave Z
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Jono
11-27-2008, 07:06
I am from the "Quad Cities"...Moline / Rock Island IL and Davenport / Bettendorf - IA metro area....actually a small city called Silvis, IL. Anyway, the big employer has always been John Deere...though other competitors like the old International Harvester and Case had plants there too. My dad was a skilled machinist and worked for a small specialty company....non-union...Parr Instrument Company. He could have doubled his wages and had better benefits but he did not want to work in the large Deere plants. He liked the comraderie of his shop and the work. He tried Deere when he was young but just did not like it. Now most people would think you were nuts...after all Deere was Nirvana for the working man in the QC....but he said no thanks. I remember going with Mom to pick him up after work...in those days one car in the family was not unusual....we would park and wait for the shop door to open and out would come the guys with their lunch buckets...all chatting..some would light up...other moms picking their husbands up. Dad was always one of the last to leave...he took extra time to clean up his work area and make sure things were right. The one benefit of working there was that he avoided the cycle of union strikes and layoffs and long over-time hours that were common at Deere and other large union shops. I wonder if his exposore to all those cutting oils and other products coupled with his pipe smoking could have led to his cancer...he developed a lymphoma at 55 and we lost him at 57. Heck, everyone at that time probably had asbestos exposure....I bet Kinsey had it on the pipes, it was in insulation, many products. We used in it High School labs for hot objects. He never wanted us to go into his kind of work...it was going to be college for us. His old company is still there and appears to be thriving.

Happy Thanksgiving! Have a small pour of your Old Hickory.

dave ziegler
11-27-2008, 16:03
Yes Jono there was plenty of Asbestos at Kinsey all the Heat pipes that ran through the Plant were wraped in it! I decided before going to my Sisters for a little bit of Dinner to take a walk around Kinsey today Like I did on Thanksgiving 2006. I got some nice pictures and here are 8 of the shots I will post the rest later this weekend. I like your Dad Jono I always enjoyed going to work at Kinsey and was not in a big Hurry to leave at the end of the day.
Pic 1 thru 3 the Kinsey Stair case in Dsp-Pa-10 Rye Barn I climbed it and found it to be very strong yet and unharmed by the weather
Pic 4 & 5 Shots from the Bank behind where the Old Dsp-Pa-12 stood
Pic 6 thru 8 Shots standing down in the little valley behind the grain building near where the Boiler room was of the 1966 Bottling House two shots showing how Long it is the white Tank at the end is the far end of the building and the Last one showing as much of the side of the Bottle House in a picture you can get in!

I have about 23 more Pictures I will post later. As always I had a good time walking around and it was very Peaceful there as it always is.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-30-2008, 16:11
Here are the last of the Pictures from Kinsey I took last Sunday!
1. Reads Dsp - Pa 12 warehouse B Continental Distilling corp

2 Warehouse B Racks
3. Old Barrel holder hanges from rack in Warehouse A built in 1892
4.Warehouse A racks fallen down
5. Racks in B holder hanging
6. The Old Barrel Lift that Ludy told me about fallen down to bottom
7. More fallen racks in Warehouse A
8. Racks still standing in Warehouse B
9. Looking in Warehouse D out near road
10. Looking back from warehouse D at door to Dsp - pa-10 Rye Barn
11.12,13 shots of the back road side of the Old kinsey Bottling House I took a walk out toward the road between the buildings to get this shot never got any of it from this side before.
14. Warehouse E last one before the road out front
15. Looking down at warehouse E from D
16. Fire fighting mains for warehouse D in special room built on
17. Looking at Dsp-pa-10 and Warehouse's A & B behind it and the old bottling house and where bricks are the sight of the plant office from behind where the still stood
18. A shot of the inside of the smaller Silo that sits next to the Old Grain drying Building that Charlie drove his buggy out of.

dave ziegler
12-01-2008, 07:12
Well I may really be able to write a book about Publicker & Mr Neuman after Last night!

Last night I received a call from a very Important Person that was involved in almost all of the operations of Continental and Publicker Ind, and this spring we hope to get together when He is in my area and He likes the Idea of a book and has tons of Informamtion and pictures of The Plant in Phila and Kinsey. I talked to him for over two hours and I am very Excited about the hope of writing a tribute Book to Mr Neuman and Publicker Industries and its History and with his help and advice it can be done. I will leave it at that.



Here is a Picture of My Hallers County Fair BIB 1946 / 1950 bottle of that I took the whiskey out of and wrote about on The General Bourbon thread


I am going to the Plant for a walk today I want to look for something I saw in my pictures from Last week and if I can get it will bring it home.

I will if possible get a few differant shots today and will write later today.
Dave Z
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America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jono
12-01-2008, 07:27
That is great news Dave!

dave ziegler
12-02-2008, 02:29
If I get the chance to write a Book with this important person It would be my lifes dream come true. I have for years now wanted to do a book About Publicker / Continental Distilling / Kinsey Distilling and Mr Si Neuman the Man who brought it all about with his amazing Ideas and insight. He was a True Leader and made Publicker the Greatest Distiller in the history of Pa and as far as I am concerned the most Prolic Distiller in History!

However I just do not have the ability without expert help to do a book and this Man has the most expert help I could get!

I will always be proud that I was able to work for Mr Neuman and to be able to work for such a great company. It was the very Best Job I ever had and with some Wonderful people that I will always remember.

The reason we can enjoy Scotch as we do today was because of Mr Neuman and most Ideas used today were Publicker Idea's they were always on the cutting edge in ideas.
Dave Z
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Jono
12-02-2008, 08:58
A little info...reference to the Lemont, IL bottling operation:

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/348/348.F2d.246.14463.14516.html

"...For some time prior to 1962, Publicker had sought to decentralize its bottling activities in order to remain competitive and to obtain lower freight charges. Early in 1962, plans were made for the establishment of a bottling plant at Lemont, Illinois.
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During August and September of 1962, the Lemont plant was remodeled and equipped to operate as a liquor bottling plant. The first bottling line was established on September 24, 1962. However, the hiring of employees for maintenance purposes commenced about September 10th. While the remodeling of the building was under way, interviewing procedures with applicants for employment were many times hectic, and often the interview with job applicants was very brief...."

"...We reject the findings and decision of the Board that Continental was guilty of unfair labor practices due to coercion of employees and unlawful assistance to Production Workers Union. The Brewery Workers was notified well in advance of the plans for a factory at Lemont. No employee was threatened or coerced. No employee was offered any kind of benefits for joining the Production Workers Union. Further, during the organization campaign, Production Workers was not permitted on the Company's premises. Employees were hired irrespective of their having signed or not signed with Production Workers...."

I wonder if this is of any relation to the old company:

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_ktx4h

Continental Distributing Co Inc
9800 Balmoral Ave, Des Plaines, IL 60018-5236

Est 1933

street
12-02-2008, 10:53
Here are the last of the Pictures from Kinsey I took last Sunday!
1. Reads Dsp - Pa 12 warehouse B Continental Distilling corp

2 Warehouse B Racks
3. Old Barrel holder hanges from rack in Warehouse A built in 1892
4.Warehouse A racks fallen down
5. Racks in B holder hanging
6. The Old Barrel Lift that Ludy told me about fallen down to bottom
7. More fallen racks in Warehouse A
8. Racks still standing in Warehouse B
9. Looking in Warehouse D out near road
10. Looking back from warehouse D at door to Dsp - pa-10 Rye Barn
11.12,13 shots of the back road side of the Old kinsey Bottling House I took a walk out toward the road between the buildings to get this shot never got any of it from this side before.
14. Warehouse E last one before the road out front
15. Looking down at warehouse E from D
16. Fire fighting mains for warehouse D in special room built on
17. Looking at Dsp-pa-10 and Warehouse's A & B behind it and the old bottling house and where bricks are the sight of the plant office from behind where the still stood
18. A shot of the inside of the smaller Silo that sits next to the Old Grain drying Building that Charlie drove his buggy out of.
This is very interesting, Dave. I hope your plans for the book come through. Sounds like an exciting opportunity to put all your memories together.

dave ziegler
12-05-2008, 04:11
Thank You Street I have great Hopes of doing the Book with the Man that called me and He has tons of information about Publicker Industries! It is a life's dream coming true. Also I want to Call Ludy up today and see if he can remember Who T.E.M was who worked on the Still as he signed the Mash Bills in 1951. This would be a nice thing to find out for the history of the Mash bills posted on the other Thread.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-05-2008, 06:27
Here is a picture from an old Post card I saw on the web of the old Bridge that ran across the river in front of Kinsey looking to the left the building sticking up on the right side going toward linfield Is Kinsey back in I think they said the card was from 1909. Thanks to Fricky for telling me about this so i could grab this picture.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-05-2008, 09:02
Here is a picture from an old Post card I saw on the web of the old Bridge that ran across the river in front of Kinsey looking to the left the building sticking up on the right side going toward linfield Is Kinsey back in I think they said the card was from 1909. Thanks to Fricky for telling me about this so i could grab this picture.
Dave Z
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Just a note the Building is Old Warehouse A Wood and Brick built by Jake Kinsey in 1892.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-07-2008, 06:09
This Morning I sat down at my computer and croped two copies of the one and Only Original photo that Ludy had that Jacob G Kinsey had made from the air of His Distillery so I can show better what the Original Plant looked like out front in 1937.

Looking at the first Picture my first larger croping The two Warehouses to the far right back the ones closest to Dsp-pa-12 still at its back warehouse F then G back side, note Towers for Elevators on them.

A note Looking closely from Warehouse F&G it apears at one time there was a set of barrel rails to DSP-Pa 12 &10 later when I worked there Continental had Put the rail bridge in after buying Kinsey and the Train tracks ran between the back of the #12 and Warehouses F&G. That is the beauty of Having a good Picture and croping to see close up what things looked like.


Front coming from them are the Left to right Final Grain building and Old Dsp-Pa-12 with Water sistrane on top that says Kinsey Distillery in front left of them are the two silo's and the Grain drying Building and beside them the Boiler Room where the stack is and in front the Old Maintaince barn.

Then toward the front The old House George Dill lived in later, but in 1937 Mr Kinsey stayed there when he was not at his Home in the Park Av section Of Phila. to the right of the House are the Office the Little building toward the road in front of the Office the Old Bottle House just after being built it was later doubled in size then,
The #10 Dsp-pa-10 Barn & Still across from the #12 sitll and the two warehouses with the round roofs are warehouses A the B they had the sort of Hoist setup that you would put a type of hook on each head side of the barrel and lower them then the Bigger warehouses closest to the road are first warehouse D then E note Elevator towers on them for the old Freight Elevator's they had. I Hope this is Helpful in showing How things were setup.

One other Note looking at the picture there were no Fire Mains built on the Old Warehouse D & E when Kinsey Had it all the sprinklers and systems were all put on by Continental Distilling when they bought Kinsey in 1940 Mr Kinsey just had the Old mack Fire Truck which Continental Modernised and used all the years they were there. Cal Roberts and Harry Martin would ride around the Plant once a week in, it had no Roof and was of the old Open air type cab.
Finally picture two is as close a crop I could get to show the Old Dsp-Pa - 12 still and building I cut the Picture in half to get this closeup on my Computer.
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dave ziegler
12-07-2008, 07:41
Here is a closer crop of the Old Dsp-pa-12 still, not the greatest but shows it closer. Shot taken from the copy I have from the Original that hung in the old Plant office for many years with Mr Kinsey's Office address in Phila.

Other two picture on #282 just above this one.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-07-2008, 10:14
Here are two more things I found at Kinsey first a Lossage chart for Whiskey from the Government Building O and second a old Bumper sticker I found last summer for Publicker Industries for Gasohol it to was in Building O dated 1980.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-08-2008, 07:00
Posting the Pictures of the plant yesterday brought back alot of Memories of winter time in the Plant. Working on the yard gang there was still penty to do be it going into the bottling house for glass to be taken to the dump down back or hauling steel racks on the Old Ford 8-n tractor down to the Steer Pens or emptying a coal cars for the Boiler room.

We would also keep a look on the Lawns to make sure they did not get ruin in the winter or weedy.
We also did a whole lot of sweeping and it was that I was doing the one day in the Old Bottle house when they were sitting up to do a big job for the holidays for Jacquins. I am still fasnanted by the way I remember watching the Old Singer Bottle Machine fill the bottles with Liquior!

I also Loved when my Boss John Zuber would say Dave sweep up all the floors in the old Still building because that ment I could look at all the stuff in the Old Dsp-Pa-12 and I would always sweep it as good as could be done so I would get the Job again.

I loved that old Building and as I had said when they shut it down early 1951 they filled the wooden mash tanks with water and the one nearest the time clock eneded up with Fish people put in it. I was amazed the first time I rang out and saw the guys feeding Fish in it.

For Years after I left I wished I would never have but it was to late so I kept all my Memories and now here they are being written down.

The Old 1950 Ford Pickup we used on the Yard gang was in very good shape compared to the Old Flat Trucks everyone in the warehouse roared around in. It was blue and had the shifter on the floor and I am fairly sure It was road worthy back then. Had the Little Radiator Hanging under the dash for Heat.

Driving it made me dream of having an old car someday and till my Mom died for 29 yrs I had an Old 1949 Chevy fast back which I had to sell to help keep my Home after my Mom died. Working at Kinsey gave me a joy looking at old things.
Dave Z
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fricky
12-08-2008, 10:39
The Loss Allowed Chart is interesting. What does it mean?

dave ziegler
12-08-2008, 13:00
Fricky I would think it means Percentage loss's per Barrel from filling till dumping in months! It was also another way they could figure If someone was taking Whiskey From a Barrel as they were doing alot of studies of Missing Whiskey in the Early to Mid 1970's to get a handle on things and I would think that the Government would be checking as every drop not lost through evaporation would be Whiskey they could not tax and it would give them a amount to expect to be gone through leaks and Evaporation. Taxing every drop they could was their goal and this was a government chart in the Government Building.
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dave ziegler
12-09-2008, 02:39
Getting up on a cold morning like it is here in Pa today 20's I think about how cold Shorty Tyson, Lou Stefy, and Frank Kurtas, and Charlie Seipler must have been working in the Old Kinsey Maintaince barn. It was just an Old Barn built at the turn of the Century and these men used it to do everything from rebuilding Pumps to rebuilding Carbarators for the old 1941 Ford Flat trucks. Like the one I took a picture of.

All they Had for heat in each bay was a old time Radiator hanging from the cealing. I never heard them once complain and they were always there working either in the plant or in their little shops.

Unlike People are today they were happy and content, they had a good paying job and the Company gave us all those Sub Zero Army Coats to keep warm and paid most cost for our work shoes, we had good gloves for whatever we needed.

It was amazing that cold as it would get most times the old 6 volt 1941 trucks would start, having once owned a 1950 Chevy Pick up truck 6 volt I know well that they turned very slow but would suddenly fire right up!

The river breezes would blow snow around when we would get it and we always shoveled at all the company Homes including the Old Kinsey House down by the river.

It is ironic but when I was at the Plant a couple of weeks ago Where I got the Loss chart in the Government Building Locker Room laying on the Floor was part of the Old Artifical Christmas tree that they put up every Christmas in the Government Office. Here I was standing there on Thanksgiving day looking at it laying there so sadly never to be put up again By Sam and Bob and the other good guys that were the Kinsey Government men those days. We Always called Sam -- "Sam-Sam the Government man" for fun back then.

I am very Glad I lived in those days as in so many ways they were good days and life was more simple and as I have said many times Working for Publicker was great and I learned many things in those days! Besides the Old Ford trucks we had a 1951 Pylmouth that Bonda Bergy drove he was traffic director and an old Desota, and a 1954 Caddy and lots of other old stick shift cars as the place was so big all the boss's had some kind of car to travel through the Plant.

And Charlie Had his old Model A buggy with no windshield no fenders and just a seat bolted on the frame and a homemade Flat bed on the back. He would punch the gears when he took off with smoke coming out of his corn cob type Pipe!

These are my Memories of Kinsey Distillery and Continental Distilling a Great Company Ran by a great Man Si Neuman!

People who have moved around here now have no Idea how important Kinsey was to Limerick Township all those 94 yrs. And I make sure to tell people how good it was working there. For most of those 94 yrs Limericks biggest employer was Kinsey and when I worked there around 600 people worked there and had good lives.
Dave Z
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Jono
12-09-2008, 08:52
Dave, go put that tree up!

The weather is nice and miserable today....rain then snow and ice...coming your way I am sure!

dave ziegler
12-09-2008, 12:35
I have to admit I do not Like Snow and it keeps me from walking around Kinsey too, and there are many more things I want to check out! A friend of Mine an Electrical Contractor took one of my Nicest Explosion Proof Light switch covers and its old Brass & Ceramic Swirch and a Explosion Proof Pilot Light cover with glass red Light cover Both from O Building and made me a living History piece.
I just like the Idea of having a little something of every part of Kinsey to tell the story.

He had some old Explosion proof housings that were the same as the ones they came off of so He wired it and Hooked it on small pieces of threaded Conduit and When I plug it in and I Flip the Old Switch the Pilot light goes on.

It is a great way to show what it was like turning things on in the heavy Vapors of the Warehouses and the Bottling House's! If I ever have the chance to speak again about Kinsey I will have this to show people. And Boy Does it bring back the memories of going in and opening up a warehouse! Even when I was in the yard Gang there were times we would be given the Keys to open one up to sweep and take the lock off some of the switches as they had lock outs built on them.
When I get it home tonight I will take a picture and post it.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-10-2008, 04:02
Well If anything this time of year brings so many memories of Kinsey, The Guys having drinks the day before the Christmas Holiday and the People just enjoying themselves. The slowing time was coming now as from Sept till now Dec There had been so many Box cars getting loaded with Old Hickory and Pinwinnie Scotch and all our Great products.

There would be lines of trucks waiting their turn to pickup while 3 Box cars were being Loaded and they Loaded Box cars on Second shift also! Thousands of case of product and now you can hardly Find an empty Bottle for collecting. the Problem was we were so Big and producted so much that No one thought to save any as figured we would always be around.

I found an old Letter I want to post from a State Liqour store asking why they were not getting any of Our Caffe Liqour as their customers were demanding it. Of Course the reason was that they had left the bussiness after Mr Neuman Died.

I can still see the Security Guard looking out and saying Have a happy Christmas in a half Loaded sort of way. They were different times no security dangers like today people drove careful no one ever got a dui from there then people were careful. And even the Government Guys enjoyed some Continental Whiskeys that day Dec 24, 1969.

I will forever have a happy place in my heart for Kinsey and the Company Publicker Industries. The workers were the best and the Company was great.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-11-2008, 03:58
One of the Best of the Liqiuor's We ever made in Linfield in the Old Bottle House was Our Peanut Lolita it is amazingly Good and I am lucky to have a few cases of the last of it ever made. It is 53 proof made with Bourbon and I drink some almost every week! Sadly when it is gone there will never be any more as no one But Continental ever Made a Peanut Liqiour. Our most famous one was Caffe Lolita and then Ameretta Lolita which a friend was watching an old Movie a couple of months ago and He told me in the Movie a lady asked the guy if he wanted a drink and he said what do you have and the First Thing She said was Ameretta Lolita. My Bottles date to the early 1970's and even though I know when they are gone that is it I enjoy them regularly.

Last Year I drank a whole case of 12! I am glad I got these as since Continental is gone. I read somewhere on the Web maybe it was a post by Jono that two guys found 3 Bottles in an old State Store I think in NJ and they said wow we have the only Peanut Liqiour left in the world. Wrong thankfully I have enough for a while yet.

What makes them even more special to me is their Having been made in the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottling house which back in 1937 bottled Kinsey Silver, Kinsey Gold and Kinsey Rye & Gin! I have posted many pictures of the Old Bottle House which is now sadly falling Down thanks to Kids sitting it on Fire yrs ago. it was inovative for its time with Sky Lights on the Top roof and the ability to bring the barrels straight to it from Warehouse's A,B, D and E by barrel rail!

I still go in the bottom floor but who knows with all the rain and snow we are and will be getting how long the bottom will stay up. I have my 70+ Year Old Edison Light bulb and fixture from it in my collection set up at home and a couple of Switchs.

Everytime I go in the Old Bottle House I remember that day that a 19 yr old Kid went it there to sweep up dust for the Ladies as they were starting the Liqiuor Bottling for that day. Seeing the Singer Bottle Machines to their thing seeing the Bottle fill from the bottom with out any air getting in in a sort of vacume state! That day they were doing stuff for Jacquins as I have said but I had a taste of Ameretta Lolita that day and it was good sadly I do not have any of that but I have half a bottle of Caffe Lolita left I have tasted from time to time. Still I am glad I have the Peanut Lolita is it is the best of the bunch.

I saw that someone In Mexico is now making our old caffe Lolita bought the name and I found papers in the plant from several different States liqiuor stores asking if we had more Caffe Lolita they could buy as there customers loved it and were very upset that it was not around anymore.

Over the Holiday I will look through my Papers and post one of the letters!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-11-2008, 06:32
A few pages back I had talked about the Fish in one of the Mash tanks and also of the Post relating to the old Kinsey Mash Bills I found here again is the only shot I have of the tanks before the still was torn down It is a shot I found on the web and quickly saved before it disapeared!

Many a happy Time We had feeding the Carp, and Suckers and Other Fish that had been put in the Tank that is in the Far left Front Corner while waiting to Puch out at the time clock right Beside the Mash tanks in the Old Number 12---Dsp-pa-12!

Many a gallon of Good Kinsey Whiskey came from these old Wood tanks!!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-12-2008, 17:08
Well I finally got around to taking the latest pictures of my Continental Distilling / Kinsey Collection including my electrified power boxes from Kinsey and here they are!
Pictures are
1. My collection of Power and explosion proof switches from Kinsey note the one with the Red glass lit is wired and powered up an electric Contractor friend at work built it for me from my explosion proof stuff and for the first 5 times the original bulb worked 68 yrs old then blew out.
2. My Kinsey Barrel staves collection from warehouse H that Fricky did and lettered for me each one with names of the Place on them!
3. My Matching Recieving and Mash bill for March 10 1951 which I had framed and matted by a pro with UV Glass to protect them.
Pict 4. thru to last picture of my Bottles and cases of labeled Bottles & signs and other stuff
And I still have some other stuff including my 5 barrel heads!
I have done this more years then I can remember but it is a joy compared to most hobbies as having worked there and saving it for History it is a Joy and something that will go to a Museum when I am gone!

You Also have to be a little Nuts!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-13-2008, 05:29
Well I finally got around to taking the latest pictures of my Continental Distilling / Kinsey Collection including my electrified power boxes from Kinsey and here they are!
Pictures are
1. My collection of Power and explosion proof switches from Kinsey note the one with the Red glass lit is wired and powered up an electric Contractor friend at work built it for me from my explosion proof stuff and for the first 5 times the original bulb worked 68 yrs old then blew out.
2. My Kinsey Barrel staves collection from warehouse H that Fricky did and lettered for me each one with names of the Place on them!
3. My Matching Recieving and Mash bill for March 10 1951 which I had framed and matted by a pro with UV Glass to protect them.
Pict 4. thru to last picture of my Bottles and cases of labeled Bottles & signs and other stuff
And I still have some other stuff including my 5 barrel heads!
I have done this more years then I can remember but it is a joy compared to most hobbies as having worked there and saving it for History it is a Joy and something that will go to a Museum when I am gone!

You Also have to be a little Nuts!
Dave Z
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Just a quick note the inisde set of two switches and the red light that is lit is what my friend at work built for me he also told me if I can get another inside switch for the extended switch on the bottom end and another Red Pilot ligt plate he will add the other light and have the second switch turn it on! I wanted this built in case I can ever give any more talks about Kinsey as it will be a great way to show what had to be done to prevent explosion as not many people even had a clue that the least little spark could cause the Buildings to blow up!
So Thanks to my Friend Jim for making this a reallity for me I get a kick out of it glowing at night in my collection!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-15-2008, 04:10
Sunday night I got a call again from the Man who was involved in every operation That Publicker did for many years and found out something very interesting about the Explosion proof Warehouses at Kinsey!

For those who remember the Old Movie The Philadelphia story with Grace Kelly here is what I found out! It seems that the Kelly Family were good friends with Mr Neuman and at that time ran the Old Company called Kelly for Brick work well it turns out that Princess Grace's Familys bussiness did all the Brick work done on the Explosion proof Warehouses at Kinsey including the One Warehouse U that became the New Bottle House later.

Also I found out a lttle Bit about the Bottling House in Lemont IL he told me when they open the People seemed so Dam happy to get a good paying Job they thought it was going to work out great for their distribution out west. But here is what happened within a year or so they were out striking and they just kept it up till they ended up giving up on the Idea and just closing it and going back to using the Big Bottle House in Linfield only.

Now I am not sure about this figure lost my note but I think He told me the Singer Bottle Machines could do 180 bottles a minute and that sounds fairly Fast for those times. The Next time I talk to him I will make sure to get this exact!

Also Continental had its office & main Lab in phila at 1429 Walnut Street in Center City right behind the Bellview Stratford Hotel at that time. He also told me I was right about the 20 year old BIB Old Hickory that they produced.
It was from the Old Wood and Brick warehouses D & E and was kept aging there just for the Aniversary Bottle's they made of it. I only ever saw one Bottle of it go up for auction and it brought a nice Price.

Also for those who Like Old Railroad Trains and Have been to the Large Railroad Museum in Strasburg Pa on Rt 30 the Large Clock in the tower was from the Old Market Street Railroad Station in Phila and It was donated to the Museum in 1982 By Publicker Industries packaging Services in Linfield in memory of Mr Si Neuman.

After talking to my friend I remembered this, it seems in 1952 when they tore the station down the clock went off for auction It is about 8 feet wide and weighs 60 pounds a Seth Thomas. It Was Mr Si Neuman who saved the Clock for Phila History and Railroad History and had it shipped to Linfield and it sat stored in the warehouse U that became the 1966 bottling House from then till 1982 after He died and Publicker found someone who wanted it which is what he wanted to do but died. But he had never found anyone that wanted it. I after He told me about the Clock being there I remembered about it being stored there and Maintaince guys talking about it. My Friend had not found out himself where it went and I found the story after much looking as I had seen it about 6 months ago on the Web and told him and it made his day as everyone Loved that old Clock which had been at Market st station from 1881 till 1952! He said that he was glad that Someone that was running the Place before it went under did the right thing as Mr Neuman would have wanted and donated it to the Best possible Place it could go.

PS if you go to the Railroad Museum web sight at Strasburg Railroad Museum you can see the Clock Mr Neuman saved in a picture in its new home the tower built for it!
Dave Z
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Jono
12-15-2008, 08:10
Dave, who do the statue bottles (?) in picture 6 represent? They look like fine porcelain statues.

dave ziegler
12-15-2008, 09:11
Jono Andrew Jackson whose Nick Name was Old Hickory and which Old Hickory Bourbon was Named after Him as old stories say he Loved a good Bourbon! Every Bottle of Old Hickory always had Andrew Jackson pictured on The Label.

Those were done in the early mid 1950's Mine are dated 1955 and 1956.
Sadly they are empty! The 86 Proof Old Hickory I think don't have them here but most special bottles or decanters were the 86 proof Old Hickory.

They were all Bottled at the Old Biggler Street Bottling House in Phila long before the new one opened in Linfield in late 1965.

Old Hickory as you Know was our most prolithic Bourbon and our Biggest seller.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-17-2008, 14:33
Here are some Pictures one lit and one with flash of my completed Electried Explosion proof Boxes and Pilot lights! Many Thanks to my Electrian Friend Jim F. for building this for the purpose of showing the safe way used even in Lights to protect from Explosion he created this two switch two pilot light set up from stuff from Kinsey for me. I also Have my Big Power switch and a couple of Elevator switches with it. Each switch turns on one of the Lights he finished it yesterday for me after I went and got another type of Pilot light plate and switch at Kinsey.


Picture one with Flash, Picture two with just the Pilot lights lit.
As a 19 year old kid I will never forget the first time I saw these explosion proof Housings and when you turned on the Power you could hear lots of Huming.
My Electrician friend who made these up for me said that most of these switches and boxes would just about Last forever and that is why they do not make them like that any more they all were very low maintaince and sealed totaly with out any Gaskets as the boxes were finally Milled to fit so tight that gaskets were not needed. These well made electrical boxes were just one part of the total safety that Publicker / Continental Distilling tried to create at Kinsey!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-20-2008, 05:28
I was thinking this morning about how busy a time it was at Kinsey till the coming week when all the Holiday Whiskeys had been shipped out. In my mind I can see box car after Box car coming in empty and going out full. I also remember the time on second shift when security heard some strange noises coming from one of the Box cars being loaded and found a man and a woman doing somthing very different from work behind a pile of cases in the box car.

When I was there two weeks ago I was sadened to see the Old Artificial Christmas tree that the Government men always put up each year laying in a pile where kids had tossed it.

I also remember well all our fancy displaces for our products at Christmas the Large Heavy Card board box you folded togther that you sat Bottles of Old Hickory on it said as I always say--- Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon.
I have part of one of those displaces here at home that the Kids tore up. Also a complete Inver House Red Plaid displace.

The shelves in the Old Liquor Store in Pottstown would be full of 1/2 pints, Pints, 4/5 Qt and Qts of Old Hickory. It was our biggest seller and as I have said many times still my most favorite Bourbon.

But we sold plenty of Haller's County Fair BIB too and lots of Haller's SRS and Reserve Blendeds and good old Kinsey Blended Whiskey too!

The Years have gone by and it is all just memories now but they are memories of Better days and happy times and a amazing Company that had truly great products.

When I walk there this time of Year I can almost see Sam the government Man coming out of Building O. Or ( Bill ) Windy Ewing flying up through with a load of Whiskey barrels to be dumped at O Building on the old red 1941 Ford flat truck.

Or leaving one warehouse to go to another for more dumping. Thiis is like a bright picture in my mind and after not being there all those years it sat abandon it was sureal to me to walk in there and see nothing and no one. I could almost hear the old fords engines roaring and I wandered how can this be how can it all be gone forever into History, but it has and I will as long as I live reccount things about Kinsey.

It was truly the Best Place I ever worked and the times were simple and Peaceful and the Bourbons were awesome!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-21-2008, 07:16
Here are four shots of Unused cases of bottles in Warehouse J I took on Saturday before taking all the many shots I posted on the 1966 Bottle House Thread this morning over 20 on there of the Outside tankage area and a few inside the 1966 Bottle house so after you see this check them out got some good ones. It was bitter cold and my camera's lens steamed a couple of times but they turned out ok.

Picture one and two Inver Red Plaid
Picture 3 Inver Red Plaid, Dixie Bell Gin & 4 Universal Lolita boxes for Peanut, Caffe or Amaretta and some Old Hickory boxes and the blue ones in 3 were Dixie bell Gin.

I will keep trying to get shots to save for the Sake of History, when the 1966 bottling house opened is the reason I got my job there as allot of people went in there to work as higher paying jobs!

It was so dam big that about 450 to 500 people worked in there for two shifts every day Monday through Friday! We had so much capacity that no weekend or overtime was needed. The 11 Lines ran from one end to the other 2 footbsll fields long it was a powerhouse for bottling Whiskey!

When I got there I saw Kids had opened the Big Roll door on the Warehouse so I somehow pulled on the chain enough to close it and protect it from more ruin by Kids who do not know any better I try to close anything I see just to save things as long as possible from being destroyed. Having Worked there as my first job and loving the Place so Much I try to do all I can to keep it alive for History and for the Buildings sakes!

It is very Hard for me to see and believe it has fallen into such a destroyed state as it has. From the Worlds Largest Whiskey Bottling house to total ruin how sad a thing.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-22-2008, 06:28
At this time of year I always think about Christmas 1969 at the Plant. Everyone was drinking Whiskey and taking it easy and the Boss's were letting it go as long as people behaved themselves. Even the Goverment Men were enjoying some Bourbon and partying. It was sad seeing parts of their Old Artificial Christmas tree laying upstairs as if saying why am I not up and where Has everyone gone? They have all passed on and only a few old workers left and it is up to me to talk about those good old days of Long ago.

That Christmas Eve in 1969 I only had a couple of Sips as wanted to watch People doing their thing and they were downing that whiskey from the Barrel and some bottles from the Bottle House and eating stuff and working but at a reduced rate as we were not dumping much that day as the stock had gone out for the Holidays and now just a little more for New Years and things would go back to normal.

The Push had been on for 3 Months cranking out so many bottles on those 11 Lines I could not even guess how much. Gins,Scotches, Bourbons, Blended's and of course the Little Kinsey Bottle House was cranking out Lots of Peanut Lolita,Amaretta Lolita and Caffe Lolita plus stuff for Jacquins and others. 1969 had been a very good year for Publicker and none of us could have ever dreamed that 17 yrs later the Place would be abandon and that 10 years later they would walk away from what had made them great to do just Chemicials.

So from a Power House of a bottling House the Worlds Largest in 1966 it now sits in ruin, when I was in the other day it was kind of weird the moaning sounds of the wind whistling through creaking and things banging.
Water leaking in everywhere and chairs sitting where jobs were once done ladders standing againest tanks that were empty and no Light anywhere but my Flashlight in total darkness Yet I loved walking through for old times sake and do it whenever I can with my trusty Cell Phone I can and I never can believe that this State of The Art Bottle House is in total ruin.

When it closed in 1986 Fall everything was in good shape the roofs had all been fixed even on the House by the river. The Boilers were fine and redone and everything was still sprinkeled. Then when Publicker went under the Man who still owns it instead of keeping it going for storage as that was why He Bought it just shut the Boilers and water down and walked away leaving it to be preyed on by Kids who have destroyed it.

And others who got an option to buy claimed they were going to fix it up only to steal all the Copper and metal from the still and tear it down and just steal anything metal they could before they said we changed our Mind and also walked away and HE Still Owns It and lets it go into Ruin which Kills me.
But I shall remember it in its glory Days ran by the Worlds Most Prolihic Distiller Publicker IND / Continental Distilling. And These are my Memories Of Kinesy Distilling.
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dave ziegler
12-27-2008, 06:22
Christmas Morning and the next day I went and got some parts to make my Final switch and pilot light from the Plant. It is a set of Light and Switch of the Weatherproof type from the Old Kinsey Maintaince Barn which was built in 1892. The Switch is of the old Plunger Type You pull up for on and push down for off. This switch was in the part of the Barn where my old Long gone friend ( Shorty ) Harrison Tyson worked Shorty could fix just about anything and was a very good Person he was called Shorty because he was just barely 5 feet tall! I also took a Picture from half way up the stairs in the Old Kinsey Bottle House of the fallen second floor roof through a hole in the Wall!
Pict 1 is my put together Switch and Pilot Light which I am going to ask my friend Jim to wire like he did the Explosion proof Ones these are of the weather Proof type that the Distillery used and the Switch Plate is from the turn of the Century!
Shot through the wall of what is left of the Second floor of the old Kinsey Bottle House since the Roof has fallen.
Fire Safety Shed in Kinsey #10 Rye Building Dsp-Pa-10
The Well at Warehouse H with weeds dead
Back of O Building

It was fun Looking for the parts to make up this switch & Light, the Light unit was laying brand new on the floor wraped I got the Plate for the light unit on the wall at O Building the Switch was on the wall and I was able to get its original box. And The inside switch was in it and of the Old Brass bobbin flip type. I also found the piece of threaded Tube and reducer to put the two different type Boxes together in there. So all I have to do now is get Jim wire it for me!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-29-2008, 10:50
Here are most likely the Last Pictures I will ever take of the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottling house which made all our Liqours till 1979. I took these pictures with my Old Digital camera as conditions were so that I did not want to take a chance on ruining my good new one.
Pictures are

1. Piller with two Explosion proof switches and Label marking it the Line for Caffe Lolita which was our biggest selling Liqour. It was one of 3 Lines of Singer Bottle machines that ran toward the front room where they were cased and sent to the Next picture the second floor Trap door
2. Second floor Trap door where all supplies and bottles came down and all filled cases were lifted up to be shipped out the second floor double doors to fork lifts!
3. looking up through what was the first floor sealing where floor fell in
4. Another shot looking up to the second floor falling in
5. Looking from far end of the Bottle House to the back plant side
6. Sliding door that still opens and closes to back casing room
7. Side door you went in to bottle house from the plant
8. Sign at foot of the door that just bearly says Room H
9. & 10. Looking down through the Bottle House from the Plant side to the road side
11. & 12. front and back of Something Very special That I found in an old Building in a hole in the wall deep down covered by years of dirt but in great shape and most likely bottled back in the late 1960's or early 1970's and most tasty.
I happened to look in a hole in a wooden wall with parical board insulation and there seemed to be something with a pile of dust on top of it and their they were two lovely Green 4/5 Pint Bottles of Coldstream Guard 86 Proof Blended Scotch They had to be in that wall for about 35 years bottled in Scotland I never knew our Cold Stream brand made Scotch I thought that Gin was all that used that name. No evaporation sealed so well that when I opened one the cap was still shiny inside and one of the Most Tasty Blended Scotchs I have ever drank had 4 shots so far out of the open one! Not real peaty and a very sweet and smooth taste with lots of Power but no burn going down it makes me wish it was still around, and it is in Scotland still made by Inver House but not shipped to the USA. The Question is, the New stuff as good as our version and I doubt it. But what a great Christmas present from a place I have always loved that is dear to my Heart.
In closing I want again to thank Jim for making this wonderful Sight and Jeff for keeping it all in order, it means so much to me to be able to tell the Story of Kinsey on here and show pictures of the Place and tell stories it is a Great Blessing to me SO THANKS!
Dave Z
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Jono
12-29-2008, 15:48
Nice finds....I wonder how many hidden bottles still exist.

http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-blended-scotch-whisky.php

http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-coldstream.php

I only see Coldstream Gin as a current product.

dave ziegler
12-29-2008, 15:57
It is really Good Blended Scotch Jono so good I wish I had a case or two! It is the first time I ever found something that cool! If there is anymore it would be in places you would never expect to Find Whiskey as the warehouses have been searched so many times in 22 yrs and they really have no hideing places with the racks out but when I worked there guys would often hide Whiskey only to forget where they put it and It happens I knew the fellow who worked it this Old Building in this old wooden Room he was a friend of mine and he drank a little and I bet it was his Scotch his name Was Lou and He would be glad for me if he could have seen that. where it was it must have been there for a minimum of 35 years!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-30-2008, 10:59
I think one of the hardest things is seeing all the Old Kinsey Buildings being shot because the place sits like this. Mr Neuman would have never let Kinsey get anything like it is now.

Seeing the Old Bottle House falling down because people got in there and set it on fire and then all the rain and wind finaly bringing the second floor roof down. It had a shk Light to make it cheaper to light when Kinsey built it in around 1935. And if you look at the earler pictures I took you can see it laying on the floor where the fell down.
To Think it ran doing bottling from 1936 till 1979 doing Liqour's most of its life of 43 yrs.
The Old #10 Barn where some of the Best Pa Rye Whiskey came from sitting and rotting is so dam sad.

I talked to Ludy the other day and he said if he could walk he would not want to see Kinsey the way it is. He wants to remember it the day he left in fall 1980 everything still in wonderful shape with all the buildings heated and with good roofs.

It is sureal to me seeing it now and that is why I take so many pictures to keep it alive forever. It just does not seem right to walk in there and no one working no trucks and the old Buildings so bad off is very hard.

Its days are now numbered so I am glad I took the pictures I have, most likely the wrecking ball will come soon and leave an empty space which no one new to the area will know what was there so I will continue looking for history things about Kinsey and remembering People like my old Friend Davy Rhoads who was born hunch backed and his face was a little out of shape and about 4.9 feet tall but he was a wonderful man who was very kind to me and I went out of my way in those days to defend him from anyone who would say rotten things to him. He was hardest working guy in the warehouses with all his troubles and not like people today that if they have some little trouble think they should stay home and live off the Government.

I will remeber other Long gone Warehouse Friends like my Buddys Al Rhoads, Henry Rhoads and George Rhoads. Jack Raysor, Gus Niarohus Major League Baseball palyer and company man at Kinsey. My Old Friend George Dill whose Stetson Had I still have and wear. When He retired in 1969 He forgot it so I took it to him and he said because I was honest and brought it to him I should keep it. I had it boxed and cleaned back those days when you could get that done in Phila by Stetson and it is beautiful reminder of Kinsey for me.

Then there was my Buddy John who always had two to many and I would have to help him out every day at the end of the day.
There was my Buddy Warren Eachach whis Nick name was Eagle Beek and Heloved it and Old Clair Von Alt. And i will alway remember my Buddy Walt Harrington who kept the Kinsey Benifit Club going with tickets for stuff so there would be emergency money for any Union Guy that got Hurt!

Most of them are gone and the rest will be soon but as Long as I live I will keep their names and the History of Kinsey going. During the time after WWII when People were starving in Russia Kinsey donated 3 box cars of grain to be taken in the air lift to save peoples lives. I have seen the Picture of the Guys with the loaded cars ready to leave Jack Raysor donated those Pictures to the Limerick Historic Society and they are really Neat. But that was the Kind of Company Publicker was they cared about people and they Loved America and were proud to be an American company!
Dave Z
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Jono
12-31-2008, 08:54
Any update on getting your information together in either an article or book?

dave ziegler
12-31-2008, 16:02
Hi Jono I have not talked to the Man since the week before Christmas I may give him a call this weekend he lives in Ca in the Winter and when I talked to him he said he will be coming to Pa in Spring and we will get together. He also told me that he has Hundreds of Photos of Kinsey, The Bigler Street and other Publicker operations and even some shots of our our Wood Operation that was down south where we got the wood for our Barrels all taken back when things were going good. He also wants to tell me about the building of the Warehouses at Kinsey in the 1940's.

On another front I now have some more never used Explosion proof switches that where Kindly given me by the 2 Fellows who watch the place for the Owner. They let me pick some brand new ones out of one of the buildings that were never used and I have them all set up now I will just take them to work and get my friend Jim the electrify them. Then if I ever get to give a talk about the Distillery again in the Future I will be able to turn them on to show what it was like as far as the dangers of Explosion!

I am very Lucky to have become friends with them, and do what I can to help them when in there to chase Kids breaking things out and they are glad for that! I can not stand seeing people destroying the Place and will stop it whenever I can.

They know how Much I love the Old Place and I have told them how I am trying to save as much as I can for the History of Kinsey and Continental Distilling.

I am hoping to be getting a solid Continental Distilling Barrel in the future they say there are about 50 yet in good shape and they are going to bring one out to their Home for me soon.
If this works out I will put nail clips around the hoops so they do not fall off and get it finished and preserve it for History.

I hope I can stay in good enough health to get these things done and write a book and will do all I can to get it done.
Dave Z
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fricky
01-01-2009, 07:12
Hi Dave,
I am glad that you are on good terms with the caretakers at the Kinsey plant. Hopefully, they will help you collect and preserve distillery memorabilia.
Doug

dave ziegler
01-01-2009, 17:40
Yes Fricky I am very Glad to be on Good terms with them and It will be a great thing for taking People to look at the Place and see what it was like back in the old days.

It was such an amazing place to work and it was always so busy back then. The Bottle House had so much capacity it could do its daily amount and Seagrams Daily amount at the same time I was told this by My Friend who was involved in Running Publicker till the last few years when He left.

I so hope I can somehow write this Book and if it happens will because of this Man and His help and Knowledge of the Company.

I hope to save as much as I can for History and on Monday will be taking 3 different sets of switch boxes to be Electrifyied by my Friend at Work two sets of very Old Switches & Weather Proof boxes and Pilot Lights and 1 new old stock Explosion Proof Box & Pilot Light from the 1940's.

Once They are all done I will post a picture of all five sets Lit. These will be used for giving talks about the Distillery and the types of things that had to be done to protect from Explosion due to Alcohol Fumes.

When I gave the talk last Spring so Many people had asked about the Switch plates and wished they could see them work so I decided to do this project, and now with the parts they gave me I can complete this and get on to something else. Also these can be carried anywhere and set up pluged in to show what it was like

Also I was able to get a Green Pilot light which was for go for lines & Pumps and things and convered one of the two sets of Lights he did for me with the Green Glass Pilot light, so will have 4 sets of Red and One green one when done. Having this many together gives the perfect example of how the Old walls looked when you walked into one of the old Warehouses as the walls were lined with these switches and when turned on the Pilot lights showing Power.
And Each set is a different Type then the next.

Had a shot of Magnificent Old Hickory New Years Eve!!

I am very Happy to continue to work on the History Of Publicker / Continental / and Kinsey!
Dave z
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dave ziegler
01-03-2009, 16:55
Its Funny But never fails when It gets cold Out I always think about the one old Guy Who would always say to me when we would leave one warehouse to go to another one in winter "Dave don't Forget To Take your Flask with you to keep warm.

And so it was there we would travel from one Warehouse to another and we always had our trusty 1/2 Pint Bottle as a half pint was so much easier to hide and the guys always had extras in case one would break.

It was very cold in the warehouses in the winter so we were Dam glad for our Sub Zero Army Coats the company gave us and we worked fast to keep warm when it was real cold.

I can not remember anyone complaining back then we were just dam glad to have good paying Full Time Jobs. We felt very fortunet for our Jobs and it did not even come to mind to be complaining.

Most of The People that worked at Kinsey had been there at least 10 yrs when I started there and many had 20 & 30 years there. Also it was a given that we bought our Products they were great and it helped our Jobs to last.
Besides we had so many Products that no matter what you drank we made it. And if you cut yourself we made lots of Meidcal alcohol too!

I will alway be glad I worked at Kinsey and I will always regret that I left when I did but I have so many good memories so it will always be a special time for me.
Dave Z
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Jono
01-03-2009, 20:28
Dave what were the "formal" rules re alcohol consumption at work vs the informal real work world practice? My guess is that the formal work rules said no consumption of product during work hours...but as you note, it appears the wink and not practice was not so strict if you were responsible. Of course today, that would all have changed. Gone like the 3 martini lunch!

dave ziegler
01-04-2009, 05:40
Jono The rule was NO Alcohol but as Long as You did not get crazy or seal it they would for the most part pretend they saw nothing! And the guys for the most part kept a low profile with their bottles. Old Bonda the traffic director could be seen at any given time reaching under the seat of his 1951 Pymouth to grab his bottle and take a swig.

Government Law forbid it but they were not going to lock you up if you behaved and MOST OF ALL NO Taking of it out of the Plant as if you took it in a plain bottle by law that was stealing untaxed Alcohol, and if you took a bottle that had another states tax sticker on it that was the breaking of the Federal hyjacking law taking whiskey from the plant for use in a state that it was not taxed for!

In the early 1970's they hired the Pinkertons as I said before because some of the women from Phila they bused up they thought might be stealing whisskey and the pinkertons had Female security guards. The one lady who always wore a sweater no matter the weather was found to have a special Vest under her blouse that held about 8 to 10 1/2 pints when they caught her and most likely she took a trip to jail plus lost her job & pesion which was very stupid. Especialy since the Company paid for the Bus to bring them up from Phila so they ccould keep their jobs after they closed the Bigler street Bottling house and opened the new on at Kinsey!

So For The most Part I would say 98% of the People would have never stolen whiskey from the plant as most of them either did not drink or drank just for the pleasure of a shot of good whiskey and valued their jobs and not breaking the Law more then the thought of stealing and selling whiskey that could put them in jail.
Sometimes during the Holidays the company would give tax Paid christmas bottles to employee's and that was Ok as Had the Pa Tax sticker.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-06-2009, 02:46
It is cold Now and cold days make me think how cold the Warehouses always were but in winter they were real cold. That is why the company always gave us Sub Zero coats as allot of time it was colder in them then outside.

It must have been really cold in that old home made bay between The dsp-pa-10 barn and old warehouse A where Dicky worked on all the old trucks. the floor was thin cement and the walls Flag stone. All he had was a old time Raditor Fan setup hanging from the wall at the back, but he kept all the cars and trucks running and crawled under them to change oil and he put motors in them from the local junkyard also.

His Job was a hard one keeping all those Old Cars and Trucks going but He did somehow and they ran Good too!

I can not tell you how many Flat Head V8's those Old 1941 Ford Trucks had but they had many!

He would try to keep doors on them and wipers and windshields and the guys hamered them bad.

When I walk there I can still hear the two old Red ones and the green one winding up going through the gears, if you have ever heard a Ford Flat Head V8 heavy Duty truck you know what I mean they had a sound of their Own and I loved those old trucks!

We Had 1951 Pylmouths and Desota's and a Caddy made into a pickup by torch! the 1951 Ford 6 cylinder Pickup and the old 1952 green Dodge truck flat bed that Mike Zuno would use to take us up to the break room for Lunch and breaks. And Of crouse Charlies Hot Rod Buggy a Model A frame with a 100 Horse Power Ford Flat Head V8 just a seat bolted on the frame no fenders no windshield it was a site watching him drive it. He would just pouch gears and the wheels would spin.

I loved driving the old 1941 Ford Flat trucks and hated the way they were pounded, when I drove them I tried to treat them well.
Dave Z
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Jono
01-06-2009, 10:25
Are the Sub Zero coats the traditional Army green winter coats or the arctic type wear with the fur rimmed hood? When I was in H.S. mid-late 70s alot of kids wore the green winter army coat.

dave ziegler
01-06-2009, 11:27
Jono These were sort of Like the Late WI Early WWII ones they zipped up and they were a sort of Pale green heavy wool and cloth blend. They were allot warmer then the Green Heavy Army Coats most people see. These were called Sub Zero and may have been what they used in the war in the cold area's near Russia and other spots.
They Got them from the Army Navy Supplier in Phila which if I can make a guess would have been- "I Goldberg" even back then as they had some of the Best Army Stuff you could get. They were not a soft cloth l but firm like a heavy wool but I am am sure were a blend so they would hold up. I would give Plenty to have one now. We would catch them on things and by years end they would tear and the Company would just get us a new one.
I always liked them and wish I would have kept one but I saw an old torn one laying in the government Office next to the Old Christmas tree one of the Government men left it behind when the place closed but it was totally shot. If I get in there agian ever I will look at the label did not think about that. I Gold Berg website
Here is their Web sight I just discovered they are still in bussiness
www.igoco.com (http://www.igoco.com)



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dave ziegler
01-08-2009, 08:52
With all the soaring Energy Prices Kinsey had one real good thing going for it back then. Box cars, tank cars any kind of rail car could come in to the Plant and go all the way back to the Last Warehouse #38 or the Scale weigh house back there.

Every one of the 14 Explosion proof warehouses except O Building had rail access, and right till the end Box cars were offten used and tank cars came in all the time. It is such a shame to see the place gone down and the bridge gone as in todays world that ability would have been a great thing..

The cars could come around the Big Bottle House behind the Black tanks and go to to all the Warehouses from J & K back and could come across to the right to do warehouses I,M L & P and R. During Holidays Like Thanksgiving & Christmas many Box car loads left for points out west!

Sadly once the Bridge was taken out so were other uses of Kinsey. The Bridge was taken out after Publicker left and cut off a great way to ship large amounts. During Christmas time Box cars would be coming in every Morning and leaving every night. It is hard for me to believe it is just sitting there as when I left everything was fine and I never thought I would someday walk in there to find everything in total ruin.
But just like People Cars and everything nothing is forever!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-10-2009, 21:29
When I think of Kinsey / Continental Distilling I think of lots of different Products, as we Had so many Brands well over 115 + brands and everything from great Bourbons to super good Vodka's. Publicker was one of the most amazing distillers this world has ever seen and all of our products were Good. Even the cheapest stuff we made was a value for the money!
We Made such good products that A&P stores gave us an exclusive contract to make all their Red Crown brands for them!

We made Red Crown Bourbon,Blended, Scotch, Vodka, Gin, and even Rum and Canadian Whiskey!
I am lucky to have a few of these rare bottles and every time I think I have found out all our brands I find there are more!

Publicker was an amazing Company and I really have a hard time believing that they are gone.
I can never remember us making anything but good stuff and to this day I still prefer our whiskeys to anything Else.

I do not think there will ever be a company Like Publicker again as the cost to make the stuff we made back then would be so much more and companys today stick to fewer brands for cost savings.

Even though those days are gone the memories are so good of those days and the fun it was working for them. I would be willing to bet that any of the Old Hickory Bourbons we made would be in the top 5 our 80,86,and 100 proof Old hickory would pass all the tests of time!

The thing I do not understand is why no one ever brought the Old Hickory Bourbon name back it is a timeless Name and it was our Very BEST BOURBON!
Dave Z
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Jono
01-12-2009, 07:39
Dave, I wonder if the current owner of the property has all of the brand rights as well. Maybe he would sell it to you! Ziegler Distilling Co., Royersford, PA.

dave ziegler
01-13-2009, 09:26
Jono when Publicker Quit Distilling spirits they sold most of the Brands if not all of them. For one Old Hickory went to Medley for a bit then He sold it and someone else sold it and when I talked to Charles Medley he said He thought that Luxco had that brand now sadly. Heaven hills has Rittenhouse Rye and some others, the guy who owns the place does not have a clue about much of anything about Whiskey.

Publicker when they went into trying to be like P&G industrial only in 1980, they sold him the plant in 1982 to get more capital to buy more Equipment, after they sold him the Kinsey Plant they leased the Bottling House and all the Tankage and one or two Warehouses till to many loses and Him raising their lease Price made them go under and Then He just shut the whole Place down and walked away all these years except for going there maybe once a year or so and just looking around.

I think that the Kinsey Name belongs to Inver House Distillers I may be wrong but I seem to recall them getting it, why I do not Know.

And the guy who owns Kinsey pays the two fellows I am friends with to just keep locking buildings after they are broken in to. And cleaning up some when they have time.

I wish someone would buy the Old Hickory Name and bring it back with the Original Mash Bill, it was a fine whiskey and the Old Hickory that Medley made was very good also.
I still think if someone brought that Name back with a Fine High End Whiskey it would again be a big seller as there are still many people livng that loved it and those people would pass the word on!
Dave Z
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Jono
01-13-2009, 10:17
Hmm, you never know...maybe some of our industry readers will take note and seek the rights and make it once again. Stranger things have happened.

I was not familiar with Luxco....(I see they make Ezra Brooks and Rebel Yell):

http://www.luxco.com/home.html

They sell a "Cafe Lolita"....was that an old Kinsey brand like the peanut?
I have never seen some of their product...Wall Street, Dr. Nicholson 1843, Davies County, Bourbon Supreme, Yellowstone.

I wonder...maybe the Old Hickory recipe is used in one of these?

Dave, send them an email and ask about Old Hickory...you may get a response.

http://www.luxco.com/public/contactLuxco.asp?stateid=38

Or the big guy:

Lux, Donn
President and Chief Executive Officer
5050 Kemper Avenue
St. Louis, Missouri 63139
(314) 772-2626 Ext. 243
d.lux@luxco.com Fax: (314) 772-7120

shoshani
01-13-2009, 12:17
Luxco (formerly The David Sherman Company) doesn't make anything. They buy the whiskey for their brands in bulk (most likely from Heaven Hill) and bottle it themselves. I seriously doubt that they know anything at all about the mashbills of their products, nor do I imagine it would deviate much from the standard fare of whichever distiller is making their juice.

Luxco owns Ezra Brooks, Bourbon Supreme, Rebel Yell (which, when I wrote to them to ask, is still made from a wheat recipe) and Yellowstone that I am aware of, maybe a couple of others. Yellowstone is difficult to find in Chicago anymore (unless I'm looking in the wrong places :) ), but their website shows an interesting variety of expressions, including a 7 year old that's just a shade over 90 proof.

Jono
01-13-2009, 12:32
Hmm, maybe they could still revive the Old Hickory Brand due to consumer interest....ok...SB interest! If they received the recipe as part of a legal transfer of assets and product they may have it in a dusty box somewhere.
Heaven Hill or whoever makes the bourbon could recreate it.

dave ziegler
01-13-2009, 15:38
Hey Jono thanks for the Info I wrote to the Big Guy a few minutes ago they do have their whiskey made for them But that does not mean that they could not have someone make them something close to what the Old Hickory mash bill was Mr Medley made Old Hickory for a bit after he used up what he bought from us and I have had the Medley made Old Hickory and it was Dam close to ours and very good!
I would love to try that Caffe Lolita as I wonder how it compares to ours I have a bottle and a half of that too.

So I wrote and I will write alot if I have to just to see the return of a truely Great Bourbon and My all time favorite Bourbon. Have you ever Had Old Hickory? If you did you know what I mean. This has made me decide to have a shot of what I have left. I have a some 86 Proof and a little 80 proof yet and then I will be hoping and looking again.
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Jono
01-13-2009, 16:09
Nope, never had it...maybe in the future! :)

Dave, if anyone could convince them to revive a brand it is you!

dave ziegler
01-14-2009, 11:36
Jono I will e mail them every other week if I think they are listening as If they got someone to Distill the mash Bill and age it for the Old Hickory 10 yr 86 Proof stuff that they made in 1961 which I have some do to Ludy giving it to me, I will tell you People would wait in line with pleasure to have a shot of it. And if you wanted a smooth drinking Whiskey to have a few Old Hickory 6 yr 80 Proof is awesome stuff so dam Smooth I never wanted to buy anything Else and also It kept me working too!

People today who never drank our products can say what they want we had some of the Very Best Stuff on the market those days and the prices were so good that it was part of the trouble our stuff was highly Reasonable. The Company wanted it to be afordable to anyone who wanted a great Whiskey or other Spirits!

One of the Biggest problems we did not have many good people in management after Mr Neuman died and some wrong people took control and Continental is gone but I will always be looking for vintage Old Hickory till I leave this world!

It Was a Magnificent Bourbon!

Another Pair of Great Bourbons we made were Haller's County Fair BIB and other Proof ones too and Charter Oak Bourbon. We also Made A good Bourbon called Planters Club I never Had any of that one.
And Who could forget our Rittenhouse Rye, the new stuff is good but I still think ours was better.
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dave ziegler
01-16-2009, 03:59
This Cold weather makes me think of Our Liqour's, we had some of the Finest Liqour's and some great Brandies too! One of Our Biggest selling Brandies was our Continental Black Berry Brandy it was better then any of the one's out today,and of course our Amaretto Lolita was so famous then that it was seen in Movie props and mentioned in some old Movies! A friend not long ago was watching an Old Movie and the guy asked the Lady what do you have I need a drink of something and the first thing she said was Amaretto Lolita!

Our Caffe Lolita was our biggest seller I have found papers in the Plant where different State Liqour stores were asking why they could not get caffe Lolita any more, it is now made by someone else but I doubt it is as good as ours of Which I have 1 1/2 Bottles yet I do not Have any of the Amaretto but Luckly I do have lots of my favorite that we Made which as anyone who reads my Writting knows is Peanut Lolita.

Some Cold Mornings in The Plant some Hot coffee from the break room machine and some of one of the liqours would hit the spot! On days like this we would bundle up real good in our Sub Zero Coats as it could feel colder inside then out those cold days. The Cold wind would come up from the river and there was always a bit of a breeze coming up through between the two rows of warehouses behind the Big Bottling house.

On days like this our Nurse would have more then one Coffee and Bourbon!
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mozilla
01-16-2009, 06:47
I thought y'all heated the warehouses durring the winter, Dave? Bourbon won't age very well under 45 degrees or so. What is the story there?

How did y'all plow the snow from inbetween buildings and on your rail system? Were you distilling year round or just bottling year round?
Thanks.

dave ziegler
01-16-2009, 09:01
Jeff All the Distilling in the Years I worked there was done in Phila at Dsp Pa-1 in Phila all year round. The Kinsey Dsp-pa-12 & 10 were not Run after early 1951. As for the Warehouses they had some heat and fans to move the air around year round but it was still cold for us working in there in winter as the materials used to build them Terracota and Cement and 2 foot thick walls sealings and floors. The Fans had a sort of Thermostate to kick them in and out to move the heated air around so the aging Whiskey would not be to cold or Hot. These design's were built into them in the early 1940's when Continental built them. When we worked some of them also had a thermostate that you could turn up to warm things up a little bit more when you worked in that building. You would hear the fans running off and on all the time and they too were explosion proof in design and wiring and switching.

If you look at some of my eariler pictures you can see the Air Vents and places where the Fans were on the outside walls. They the 13 regular ones and the Big Bottle house Building U Had no windows at all. The Warehouse O Being also the offices of the Government Men had some windows and a different set up but the upstairs floors had the same fan set up and heat elements and No windows.

All Heat traveled to the Warehouses by way of an in air on uprights asbestos covered Hot Steam line and it went from all the way out front at the boiler rooms to the very back to the Water Intake room were they pumped water out of the river for fire fighting, That room had hot water pipe elements in it to, and even heat traveled up to the roof of Building Q to the Fire safety Room if you look at my Pictures there you will see a heat element there on the wall too!

Sadly the system of heat traveling in Pipes on up rights is part of the reason it cost so much to run the place. Plus today it is a no,no to have pipes covered with asbestos. Also the type of Elevators in the warehouses were made to load Barrels on the cradels and there was no way to put anything Else on the top floors except to lift it by Chain hoist through the big doors in the walls on the upper floors.
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dave ziegler
01-16-2009, 09:02
Jeff All the Distilling in the Years I worked there was done in Phila at Dsp Pa-1 in Phila all year round. The Kinsey Dsp-pa-12 & 10 were not Run after early 1951. As for the Warehouses they had some heat and fans to move the air around year round but it was still cold for us working in there in winter as the materials used to build them Terracota and Cement and 2 foot thick walls sealings and floors. The Fans had a sort of Thermostate to kick them in and out to move the heated air around so the aging Whiskey would not be to cold or Hot. These design's were built into them in the early 1940's when Continental built them. When we worked some of them also had a thermostate that you could turn up to warm things up a little bit more when you worked in that building. You would hear the fans running off and on all the time and they too were explosion proof in design and wiring and switching.

If you look at some of my eariler pictures you can see the Air Vents and places where the Fans were on the outside walls. They the 13 regular ones and the Big Bottle house Building U Had no windows at all. The Warehouse O Being also the offices of the Government Men had some windows and a different set up but the upstairs floors had the same fan set up and heat elements and No windows.

All Heat traveled to the Warehouses by way of an in air on uprights asbestos covered Hot Steam line and it went from all the way out front at the boiler rooms to the very back to the Water Intake room were they pumped water out of the river for fire fighting, That room had hot water pipe elements in it to, and even heat traveled up to the roof of Building Q to the Fire safety Room if you look at my Pictures there you will see a heat element there on the wall too!

Sadly the system of heat traveling in Pipes on up rights is part of the reason it cost so much to run the place. Plus today it is a no,no to have pipes covered with asbestos. Also the type of Elevators in the warehouses were made to load Barrels on the cradels and there was no way to put anything Else on the top floors except to lift it by Chain hoist through the big doors in the walls on the upper floors.
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dave ziegler
01-17-2009, 06:01
Last Night I had some of one of my Bottles of the New Heaven Hills made Rittenhouse Rye it is a wonderful Rye for the price But it is not like Our Rittenhouse rye which was like the old 1942 bottled Mount Vernon Rye I found at the flee market. It is very good and rye flavor but our Rittenhouse had the taste of Fresh Rye bread, carmel and malt and the Old National Distilling Bottle of Rye has that quality to like ours did.

I still tend to think that our rye had something about the mass bill that brought that flavor out. When I have a shot of the Old Mount Vernon distilled 1936 bottled 1942 100 Proof the taste of fresh chewy Rye bread hits your Mouth with caramel and malt. When I cracked it open it took me back to Warehouse D where I had my very first Rye whiskey from a barrel that was about 6 yrs aged and I have not tasted any Rye made today that was the same. And even though it is 100 proof you can just sit and sip it and no need for water or anything else just straight and thats the way I like Rye to be, Dam mixing the water with it just shoot it down slowly and savoir it!

The Old Warehouse D was barely heated with brick walls one or two windows toward the river side and good old wooden racks 48 gal barrels and held the best Rye and Bourbon in the Plant when I started. Our traffic director Bonda got all his whiskey each morning from the old warehouses and He knew his whiskeys having worked there his whole life.

The Whiskey That Continental Used to make their 20 year Old Aniversary Old Hickory came from barrels in warehouse D from the very early 1950's and most likely were Distilled at Kinsey in Dsp-pa-12 and the Rye at Dsp-pa-10
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Jono
01-17-2009, 19:52
Dave, be sure to let us know of any email reply by Luxco...we can start an email campaign for the Old Hickory revival if that is what it takes!

dave ziegler
01-18-2009, 06:14
Jono That is a great Idea I have not heard anything from them yet but sometimes these things take time as People are very busy. I remember hearing and reading about the past get together in Ky of the Group I think the spring one and someone took Old Hickory to it and Everyone Liked it alot. In fact someone said a man who was a Distiller for many years tried it and said it was Dam good Whiskey! If anyone remembers who that was or tasted it then I would welcome their comments. I am sure that there is someone who could come up with the right mash bill to make it again. Mr Medley made it for a while after he used up what we sold him in bottles and barrels!
I have drank his and it was dam close to the way ours was. I can't say what it is but there something special about that Whiskey in taste and mild Smoothness and all the years I got it regularly it was always top notch.

People would stick to it instead of trying others as they were pleased with it. I have had the 86 proof 10 year and the 80 proof 6 yr and they are Dam Smooth all the way down, I had some of it out of the barrels to be used to and we also had a 100 proof which I never got to try and of course the 20 yr old Aniversary bottling which I never got an of either sadly.

I think if Luxco would find someone that would make it with maybe help from Mr Medley on the Mass bill and left it age for about 6 yrs it would be awesome stuff. When they got started they could just start with some good Older Whiskey and and state that they were bringing it back and that in a couple of years it would be just like the old days and I think it would sell that way till the new batches came out.

There are enough people like me that would buy it because of our love for it back in the day and once they started moving it time would move on and then the happy day when the New 6 yr old stuff has become ready and they could have a special rentroduced bottle with a History of the brand booklet and special labels and maybe even put a fake old time seal on those bottles.
I would buy plenty of it and their are many people I talk to in my work in the office that remember it well. Back in the Old Days the old Pa State stores had special large shelves for it in all sizes there are plenty of people living yet that drank it and they would tell there friends and family about the brand coming back and once people tried it more people would. In its time it was One of The Most Famous Bourbons around, Continental got the name from a distiller out west and turned the brand after Prohibition ended into a household word.

We even Had a large bottle House in Lemont IL that bottled our Old Hckory to sell out west and in Ca. It went oversea's and I guess that is why I never tried some of our other Bourbons because Old Hickory was so dam good. I do know one thing It was different from all our other Bourbons we did not use the same Mash Bill for it as Haller's or the others it had its own special one and that is why it stood out.

If People wanted to mount a e mail campaine to Luxco if they have the brand and we hear from them then I would be proud to help to get it going, I would love while I am still living to drink some brand new Old Hickory and I am finding it very Hard to get any of it anymore. If It comes to that I could use your Help as you find all these Links and sites so well.
Then if It ever comes back the next thing would be trying to get Pa to carry it!
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Jono
01-18-2009, 09:59
Dave, let us confirm that they own the brand and that they have the recipe.
Your commentary on Old Hickory will help them take notice. Of course, we are not clued in to their business plan and capabilities but asking never hurt. Most companies would relish a built in base for their product. A PA special re-entry into the market would be cool with greater distribution coming soon after.

mozilla
01-18-2009, 11:14
Even if they own the label...they get all their bourbon as second hand. From what I have read about the Yellowstone quality...it has gone down hill. I doubt Old Hickory would get much better juicethan their other labels.
If they could get some better juice...the cost would probably be somewhere in the range of Jefferson's Reserve.
Maybe the Angosture venture will improve the prospects of bulk market whisky???

Jono
01-18-2009, 20:44
If Luxco ever wanted to enter with a premium bourbon...the Old Hickory label would provide the opportunity. It is not a current product, it would be a revived bourbon with all of the potential marketing upside...especially if rolled out in its former distribution areas first....build a base and then grow from there. I guess the key is this....Dave Z recalls a terrific bourbon...based on the mash bill and processes of Kinsey...can it be recreated? If Medley came close....others could as well. This would be a fun and gratifying exercise for the bourbon community....revival of a dead brand. Of course, it would have to compete and succeed in the market. If a quality product is rolled out...the future is unlimited.

Who knows, at some point Luxco may want to own the production end of its business.

dave ziegler
01-19-2009, 02:53
Well Put Jono that is my feeling on the return of Old Hickory Bourbon! Right now there are still many people living that drank Old Hickory and as you said bringing it back to the, Pa NJ area would be a awesome move as far as quality they could get soem Help from Mr Medley as far as mash bill and other things He told me the Mans name there and that He thought they still had the brand so they could get his Input and as Jono said they could get their own Distillery in the Future which would be a smart move.

They already Have the Caffe Lolita on the Market and they also have the Haller's reserve Label I think. It would be a bold Move and the reason for Publicker's great sucess back when I worked for them was the Bold Moves That Mr Si Neuman made! He did not sit around thinking should I he thought it out and made the Move.

My Friend who was a top Ex in the Company said that when Mr Neuman went to Scotland the year before Building Inver House Distillery's when He came back sent 10 million Dollars right away and said lets get it going asap!

Waiting is to lose great chances, there are Many people still living that remember and loved Old hickory that gives them a base and also people who will say why don't you try this, and word of mouth is your best selling point!

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dave ziegler
01-19-2009, 03:58
Well Put Jono that is my feeling on the return of Old Hickory Bourbon! Right now there are still many people living that drank Old Hickory and as you said bringing it back to the, Pa NJ area would be a awesome move as far as quality they could get soem Help from Mr Medley as far as mash bill and other things He told me the Mans name there and that He thought they still had the brand so they could get his Input and as Jono said they could get their own Distillery in the Future which would be a smart move.

They already Have the Caffe Lolita on the Market and they also have the Haller's reserve Label I think. It would be a bold Move and the reason for Publicker's great sucess back when I worked for them was the Bold Moves That Mr Si Neuman made! He did not sit around thinking should I he thought it out and made the Move.

My Friend who was a top Ex in the Company said that when Mr Neuman went to Scotland the year before Building Inver House Distillery's when He came back sent 10 million Dollars right away and said lets get it going asap!

Waiting is to lose great chances, there are Many people still living that remember and loved Old hickory that gives them a base and also people who will say why don't you try this, and word of mouth is your best selling point!

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I have not yet heard from Luxco and I may send an e mail to the regular company E Mail address, it has only been a couple of days so I am still Hoping to hear from the big Guys office, I think it would be a bold and good move and I have no doubt that if made right Old Hickory could be in that special group of Great Bourbons that rise above the rest!
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Jono
01-19-2009, 07:59
I would write to the local marketing rep too......in fact, a nice paper letter to Mr. Lux may work well for getting on his desk...I don't know how to create an online petition but that would be an idea too. This is an interesting experiment...who knows, maybe they will scratch their heads and say "pull our info on that brand and do some test marketing on it...is it still known and is there a base market for it?" The only disappointment would be an inferior product coming out with the same label....rather not have it if it will not be made up to standards.
Keep us posted!
Luxco markets Rebel Yell....can anyone speak to the difference between the old and new whiskey? I have not had either and have never had Ezra Brooks (but from reputation will probably pass on that one).

mozilla
01-19-2009, 08:16
I don't find the color of the new RY to be up to the standards set by the old RY. The taste has always been the entry level into wheated bourbons. I doubt that Luxco could afford to up the quality to a large degree...price hike would be soon to follow. I have seen a RY 7/91 available on a website or two. What gives with that one???
Ezra Brooks is a low price leader in Texas. They give you age and proof for a good price. There is the regular 4/80, a slightly better 4/90, a much better 7/101 and a 12 yr/99 proof available in Texas. I recommend you give the one that sounds best to you a try. It would at least give you an idea of what they are trying to go for with their bourbons.
I do think it would be nice for Luxco to use their weight and get into distilling in Ky.

dave ziegler
01-19-2009, 08:44
I just got done calling Luxco and leaving a message for someone I think in Marketing By The Name of Dave about the bringing back of Old Hickory I do not know if he will call me and if I will be in my office if He does but I tried at least to find out if they have the Old Hickory Brand Label.

I just looked on the Corporate web site and I left the Message for David Bratcher Vice President of Operations. I am no one in stature but I have never been afraid to call the right people and ask as that is the only way to find out and get things to happen!

Myself I think this is the right time as so many people yet living that have drank Old Hickory, but if too many more years go by and people die off that part of Remembering how good it was will be gone.
If I was Rich I would Dam well Buy it back myself and Have someone make it to even better then it was but I can't so all I do is hope by bugging them they will think about it if they own the Brand.

One more thing It may take if they have the brand and I am fairly sure they do from what Charles Medley told me, is for more people who would like to see the Old Hickory Brand come back as something special as it was back in the day is that people e mail and ask and maybe even call as I did peoples wanting of it will play big in if it ever comes back. I just talked to our Marketing and sales guy and said that I am on the right track for trying to get this famous brand back. He said people asking and the amount of their interest plays very big in these things.
He is an Irishmen who loves good Bourbon and He would love to see it back himself!
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dave ziegler
01-20-2009, 05:48
On one of the reply's to some of my writting it was menioned by Jeff about the Teamwork at HH in their Bottle house well when I worked at Kinsey there was plenty of Team work all through the plant.

There were not many people who did not get along there and there were few and far between injuries of any kind. When we went to the large Barrels and had to stack them it took alot of team work in doing it they were a nightmare.

We all through the years tried many different jobs there and some we did not do great others we did wonderful. Myself trying to learn to be a Cooper was just not in the Cards Ludy tried to teach me but the biggest problem was they were all right handed and I was left handed and I just never got the hang of it, as it is a most hard job and was one of the best paying in the plant then!

Coopering is very Hard work pounding on the Cooper Hammer with the Hand sledge. I remember one time a barrel I was working on started to fall apart and Ludy had to get right in there and fix my mess up. In the end Ludy gave me the old worn out Cooper Hammer slot gone on it and hand sledge I still have today as a reward for trying so hard.

Publickers Coopers School in Marscess Hook Pa was one of the best there ever was and Ludy told me they had to start from scratch and build all kinds of barrels even making the parts by Hand. Then the Final thing was building there graduation 6 gal Barrel from scratch and its display holder which I posted pictures of his on the thread a while back.

Ludy was one of the Best Coopers I ever saw and when he went into the Bottle House it took a while till they found someone half as good.
When we did the Lawns on the yard gang in summer it was sure team work our Boss John Zuber would drop each of us off with a hand mower in the Old 1951 Ford Flat Head Six pickup and then he would get the riding mower and Val an Italion man another one of our team would break out the big tractor to mow large parts. we would all work toward each other till all was done in an area then move to the Next always starting out front and working back toward the steer pens and with 199 acre's it was a big job.

But for the Most part Mr Neuman when He came was pleased with the Lawns and trees and flower beds. He loved the Place and wanted it to look like a park as much as possible and it did and another thing He liked and I spoke to my Friend who was a top EX in the company about it was the Wildlife He loved seeing the Deer, and pheasant's and rabbits walking around the Plant. I loved and still do the cool Spring and Fall breezes from the River that come up into the Plant.

It was the Most Beautiful Distillery as far as Lawns and trees and plants there ever was like a beautiful garden and Park, back in the field coming from the Game Lands you can still see in the woods in two places where there were carridge drives and the trees are all of the same type lined on both sides and spaced exactly apart all the way down to the Old Kinsey House at the river.

Kinsey was a One of a Kind Place and I do not think there will ever be a Distillery like it again and cost to have a place like that is prohited in the running of things today. But my Memories are of a Very Beautiful Place a one of a kind place that had Magic to it and many people who's lives were much blessed working there!

And a place where some of the Best Whiskey's ever were made. And Of course the Most Famous one of All Old hickory Bourbon and number two County Fair BIB and Rittenhouse Rye the best Rye I ever drank!
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dave ziegler
01-20-2009, 09:31
I just got off the Phone from talking to Ludy and I told him about the Little Pointed Cone Peg Shaped Wood things I found in a big bag in the upstairs of the Maintaince Barn they Look like Golf Ties almost and He told me they were used just for what I thought they were, to pound into Holes in the Barrels for Leaks. He said they were called " Worm Hole Pegs " and that wood worms were the cause of Leaking Barrels at times and they would use a punch to make the Hole a little Bigger then Pound the Pegs in and break them off! they were made from a softer wood so they would go in easy and then swell up and totally stop the Leaks.

They would check barrels in different Warehouses from time to time Looking for this type of Leak.

Ludy said he thinks He remembers someone telling him about putting the two Old Full 1/2 Pint Scotch bottles I found in that wall so they would not be forgoten but He does not remember for sure. But by Looking at the bottom they were there for about 38 years and the Scotch Is excelent I had a shot again last night from one of them!

I think they are from the 1967 /68 period of time and Cold Stream guard is a very good blended Scotch.
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dave ziegler
01-21-2009, 02:42
I guess one of the reasons Old Hickory was always so good was the fact that it was always at least 6 years old. Our 80 proof was 6 yrs and then we had the 10 year old 86 proof and looking at my Label collection to confirm our BIB 100 proof was 6 years old also!

We never did any old Hickory that I know of that was not at least 6 years old and as I have spoken of before we had the special limited edition 20 anaversary batch we put out.

Our newer bourbon Planters Club was in one version 90 proof 4 years old, and a 80 proof 4 years old. And Our other High end Bourbon Charter Oak we had a BIB 100 proof 8 year old bourbon and a 4 year 86 proof one and and also a 80 proof.

We also had a 6 year 80 proof Bourbon in our Country Gentleman Brand which was an old Dougherty's brand we got when we bought Doughertys out! I even have a label with a very odd proof Old Hickory 75 Proof 10 years old it says! Never saw any of that but it was in with all the left over Labels I found yrs ago at the plant. We also made Midwest Bottled in bond Corn whiskey 100 proof and later we had the Stillbrook name from American Distilling and made a 100 proof BIb of it too!

And of Course our other really big seller was our Hallers County Fair of which we had a 86 proof 4 yr & 86 proof 5 yr. Also our 100 proof and I have some labels for a special County Fair that was distilled in KY a BIB 100 proof that was distilled by Tom Hardy in Owensboro at KY 24 and bottled by us at Dsp-pa-12 in Linfield so as I always knew we did work for others and sometimes had some special stuff done for us too!

Als One thing I know as fact No other Bourbon we made ever shared the Old Hickory Mass Bill it was used for Old Hickory and nothing else.
And Last but not least We made a 100 proof Linfield Striaght Bourbon also an Old Kinsey Brand that was made sometime into the 1950's or a little into the 1960's

We had so many brands I do not know them all I know of about 62 of them but they had over 100!

One more Note the Old Wood Sign I found that I posted a picture of that says Kinsey Distilling Corp Pa #10 Distillery is a very Historic peice and I am hoping to get it soon my friends who watch the place are getting it for me it turns out Ludy told Me yesterday it was the sign that hung on the Front of the DPS-PA-12 Still where we walked in so I am so glad I dug it out of the piles of Brick!
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dave ziegler
01-22-2009, 02:39
One Of Our Oldest Earliest brands that was not made by the time I worked there was Sweep Stakes Whiskey They Had a Blended one and I have an old Bottle from 1934 that is 90 proof and states this Whiskey is Straight Whiskey 5 months old Bottled 1934 Continental Distilling.

We also Had besides Haller's County Fair Bourbon a Hallers De Luxe Straight Bourbon Whiskey 80 proof 4 yrs old plus Hallers SRS Blended Whiskey in different proofs and Hallers reserve Blended.

Another line we had was Diplomat whiskeys which we made a Diplomat Blended that was made with 8 yr old Straight whiskey 35% blended with Neutral spirits a Diplomat Gin and a Diplomat Vodka.

Another very Old Brand of which I have an empty Bottle was Keystone State Straight Rye 90 proof it was made right after the end of Prohibition and was only 8 months old!

Kinsey Silver came in two blends both used 35 % 8 yr old Straight Whiskey with 65 % Neutral Spirits. One was 80 Proof and the other was 86 proof which is what the bottle Ludy gave me is 86 proof and a very good blended whiskey.

I will list some more when I can the Hallers Whiskeys when I worked for Publicker were giant sellers the SRS Blended was one of our biggest sellers and you could buy a full quart of Hallers SRS 86 Proof made with 8 yr old Straight whiskey in the blend for $4.73 I have an old Ruler from the late
1950's to mid 1960's that states the fixed price!
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mozilla
01-22-2009, 06:20
Dave,
what did SRS stand for? Select Reserve Stock was about all I came up with. What is the real meaning?

Jono
01-22-2009, 08:39
When you think about it...a company that owned the rights to these labels / recipes would be nuts not to re-introduce them...the ones that had popular following...in an age of increasing whiskey selection and export....micro markets for certain products can be very popular. Maybe Hallers would sell big in the PA area....another brand would sell big elsewhere...brand loyalty should not be discounted. Look at the beer world... Yuengling for an example in your area...it does not have to be national to sell well.

dave ziegler
01-22-2009, 08:56
Jeff "Special Reserve Stock" it was one of their very Best Blended's and they sold millions of Bottles back then. The Hallers Reserve was the Cheaper one which is still made I think by Luxco but nothing like ours.
There were Two Bourbons we Made that never shared their Mash - Bills with themselves or any other Bourbon we Made and they were- Old Hickory Bourbon & County Fair Bourbon and having a bottle of each they are totally different and both are wonderful.

The Old Hickory is smoother the Hallers County Fair is a very Full power BIB and the Bottle I Have may have been distilled at Kinsey as it was distilled in Spring 1946 Bottled in Fall 1951 in Phila. My Dad worked there then and may well have loaded the Barrels on the Box car or Truck to go down the be bottled!
I never had the Old Hickory BIB but Knowing the way Old Hickory was it would have been smooth all Old Hickory Bourbons were well known for their Smoothness and full taste.

We Also made a Straight Bourbon under the Red Crown Label for A&P stores out west and down south and in New England. and Red crown Blended ones I will look up their proofs tonight!

Another Name we had for awhile and it was good then was Bankers Club Bourbon, if you look at an old Bottle it will say Regent Disitllers Phila another Name used by Continental, Bankers Club today is Rott gut from what I know but there was a day way back where it was a nice lower Price Bourbon!
We also then had the Monogram Label also under Regent Distillers, and we Made a Rye way back in the early Years called Neshaminy Rye.

Back In Jacob Kinsey days He made a Angelo Myers Rye and a Kinsey Special and a Kinsey Straight Rye.
Back in early days at Continental they also made Charter Oak Rye & Brandy, Rum and Gin.

We were the First Company to bring Majorska Vodka to the USA we had a line of Whiskeys Bourbons and Gins called Gold Star for the Military People.
In the late mid 1970's we had the Guckenheimer Label, the Stillbrook Corn Whiskey BIB label and Bourbon Supreme all gotten from American Diistilling Corp!
And we had our Own Corn Whiskey Mid West Straight Corn BIB and I have been told it was great Corn Whiskey!
Way Back Continental also made a rye Whiskey called Three Kings Rye.
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Jono
01-22-2009, 09:01
The only Luxco whiskeys are:

Ezra Brooks

Rebel Reserve

Rebel Yell

D. Nicholson 1843

Davies County

Bourbon Supreme

Wall Street

Yellowstone

mozilla
01-22-2009, 09:10
The only Luxco whiskeys are:

Ezra Brooks

Rebel Reserve

Rebel Yell

D. Nicholson 1843

Davies County

Bourbon Supreme

Wall Street

Yellowstone

I would guess that they own considerably more labels than that. Most companies do. Some could be available in overseas markets and others could be regional. I would like to see their label book to be certain.

dave ziegler
01-22-2009, 09:10
The only Luxco whiskeys are:

Ezra Brooks

Rebel Reserve

Rebel Yell

D. Nicholson 1843

Davies County

Bourbon Supreme

Wall Street

Yellowstone
It says Medley on it Maybe a HH Product then but nothing like it was when we made it HH also Makes Philadelphia Blended now so the more I think of it HH makes it!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
01-22-2009, 09:16
I would guess that they own considerably more labels than that. Most companies do. Some could be available in overseas markets and others could be regional. I would like to see their label book to be certain.
They Have Bourbon Supreme I see got that from Us as we had it a bit I could have swore Luxco Had the Hallers Reserve it is theirs or HH because Both bought some of our Labels at the end and got some from Mr Medly.
I think I saw somewhere on the web that someone still makes Still Brook Corn Whiskey too but no clue. What I want is a bottle of Mellow Corn no dam jar with clear stuff like color in what I drink and Dam state only carries the Ball Mason Jar one.
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mozilla
01-22-2009, 09:27
Georgia Moon is the one from the jar. It is a HH product, IIRC. Mellow Corn is also HH...and comes in a 80proof as well as Bib version.

I'm pretty sure that Luxco has many more labels than that. I can remember some Glenmore labels that went their way.

dave ziegler
01-26-2009, 06:50
One of the Hardest things for me to see and believe is the times I got into the 1966 Bottling house and saw all the ruin there! When I took my Pictures it was in total darkness with my Flash and looking at the floor soaked with water from the leaking roof, the dirt and dust and falling of Teracota from the sealing, the old tax seal machine sitting there with tax saels in it waiting to have numbers printed and writiing and cut! Some Old Bottle Machines just sitting there rusted.

Seeing Old Lunch bags in Fridges in the break room and crackers in the Vending machine. Bandiges and medicine in the nurses station. It looks just like what happen the Last day in Fall 1986 People went home came in the next day to find the place sealed and out of Bussiness due to the way the New people ran it. Failed Ideas and a bottling house that was state of Art in 1966 being abandon after just 20 yrs.

And then for the Owner of the Plant to just shut everything else down and walk away I would hate to see what Jacob G Kinsey and Mr Neuman would have said about this. But most of it happen because there were no forward thinking people running Kinsey or Publicker anymore!
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Jono
01-26-2009, 07:12
So people did not have much warning it was going to shut down?

dave ziegler
01-26-2009, 09:50
At the time Kinsey Closed down it was called Publicker Packaging Services in the Fall of 1986 people went home from there shift only to come back the next day and find it closed. A friend of mine Bob worked there still doing antifreeze bottling and went Hunting, He said when he came back he went to work to find an empty parking lot and the Security Guard told Him the place had shut down over night. Within a few days they called all the workers and gave them Severance Pay and everyone who had pension coming got it!
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dave ziegler
01-27-2009, 02:29
Continental Distilling was right there when Liqours were starting to be made and sold after Prohibition! Someone I think Jeff asked me the other day how far back did they make Liqours.

So as I offten do I went to my earlest set of Mini Liqour bottles which were Prepared by Continental Distilling in the yr 1934. They Are in small vase shaped Mimi's and are the following Types.
1.Classic Cherry Cordial
2.Peach Cordial
3.Classic Cacao - Menthe
4.Classic Kummel

All of these are in Diamond Glass Bottles, Publicker used products from the areas they operated in first and formost as policy and Diamond Glass was in Royersford Pa. All have the original small 1930's Tax seal with Continental Disitlling Phila Pa writen on the seal and small Red steel caps.
The Cheery Looks so good I almost want to open it but it is so mint I will just leave it on the shelf!

They Also made Blackberry Brandy back then and Real Peach schnapps and I have been told that the Black Berry Brandy was awesome never had any myself.

They also on the Whiskey Side had a Whiskey They Imported From Belgium that was made from a blend of different straight 12 yr old Whiskeys called " Old Treasure " I am lucky to have an empty Bottle given me by Ludy He said it was Good Stuff! The Bottle I have is from the late 1950's and one of the rarest Bottles to find.

It says on the Label
The Truly rare maturity of this Fine whiskey is achieved only through long aging 12 yrs Old. It was Blended in Belgium and imported and Bottled in Phila.
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Jono
01-27-2009, 08:52
Mier may have some info on that Belgian whiskey.

dave ziegler
01-28-2009, 15:03
I would love to find out about the Old Treasure Whiskey I wonder if the company in that country still Distills. We had so many Brands I will never know them all but I can say that none of our Whiskey and other spirits were low quality they were all great buys for their prices and I would love to know how many Bottles of Old Hickory went out in all those great years.

I just got done having some Peanut lolita and I find it to be a Wonderful Liqour the first thing that hits you is the Bourbon flavor then the fresh peanut taste.

I can only hope that some of you out there will find a vintage bottle of one of our Products it will surprise you how Dam good they are!

I would be willing to bet that Old Hickory could take on the Best of the best Bourbons today! It was always such a special Bourbon and so Dam Flavorful too!

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dave ziegler
02-01-2009, 04:23
Here's some good news, yesterday I talked to my Friends that watch the Distillery for the owner and they have got me and Fricky each a complete Rye Mash Barrel with the special nails that keep the hoops in Place and it is our plan for Fricky to finish them and seal the top to preserve the Writting on the top which says Continental Distilling 1971 Rye Mash!

They are also going to get and bring over to their Home the Old Original Sign that says Kinsey Distillery Pa Distillery #10 Linfield Pa. I am going to give it to the Historic society if they want it or will keep it myself to save History!

Ludy Told me the Sign is a very Special thing as It was mounted on the front of DSP-Pa-12 when Mr Kinsey still ran it and I now do remember where it was mounted when the still stood!



With the things going on at work I have not gotten my other electrified Power switches back I got from Kinsey yet from the Contractor at work but he said early this week before he leaves for good too!

I was very Blessed that I was never laid off when I worked at Kinsey and never on strike either! Those were the days My Friends! Whiskey Flowing like rivers into and out of the Bottle House in 1966 Rivers of Old Hickory Straight Bourbon.

I am going to see how warm it gets today and I may just take a walk at Kinsey have not been there for 3 weeks plus!

I have not heard from my Friend that was a top EX at Publicker since right before Christmas I left him a message.

I will if I get there take a few snow pictures of the Plant My Friend told me he was securing doors on the Old Bottle House and he said it was so dam cold in there his breath looked like a cloud.

I am very Glad I still have my Job! It is not like the Kinsey Days of just going to work and not even thinking of being out of work.
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dave ziegler
02-02-2009, 09:20
Here are some of the pictures I took in the rest of the Plant on Sunday afternoon! Here they are
1. I crawled into the Water Distilling Plant in Building O next to the Lunch room here are some shots of it
2. Writting on the Wall says Dec 22 1976 Joe Most likely Joe Gruber!
3. Valves on side closest to Lunch room I pushed the Mixer tank out of the way to get this shot..
4. Looking down O building toward Buildings R and M snow with tracks of the tractor my Friends use in the Plant to do work!
5. I used my New Camera's Zoom to get this shot up in the second floor of the old Dryer Room as stairs have fallen down controls on the wall. Charlie took his shower here and kept his Buggy downstairs.
6. This is one of the 4 Barn rooms Maintaince use to work on stuff this shot is of their Heat for the room this Radiator
7. The sealing of the Room had this cardboard for insulation.
8. The first maintaince Barn room old Bench and Barn window in the wall.
9. This is a wonderfull Wall for it is where I found my two 1/2 Pint Bottles of Scotch I found and it is a very tasty Scotch.
10. Inside what is left now of the Old Kinsey Bottling House where we made all our great Liqours. Line 1 would go down the side here then Line 2 which made the Caffe Liqour then at the other Plant side line 3 looking down where the old steps are you can see the floor falling in from the second floor.
11. Old Coal Pile near where the Boiler rooms were with snow covering it and the Elevator Green top sticking out of Warehouse H the last warehouse Mr Kinsey Ever Built.
12. Left to right looking from the front of the1966 Bottling House, Explosion proof warehouse M then Warehouse H and behind it Warehouses F & G.
These trips are made with one reason above all and that is to keep the History of Kinsey alive forever!

It is a sad thing for someone who worked there to see this but my goal is to save and preserve all that I can while I am here to do that!
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dave ziegler
02-02-2009, 09:27
I have no clue what happen but the pictures did not go on with the thread so here they are below #362 writting about them I'm sorry Computers can do the damest things to you!
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dave ziegler
02-02-2009, 17:35
One of the weirdest things when I was at Kinsey yesterday was that all the drains as I walked through the place were still working as I walked by many of them you could see the water draining toward them and then going down through them and not backing up at all!

After all these years of being abandon the drains still working what a strange thing after 23 years of sitting and rotting they still take the water as fast as it can get to them. You could hear it running down deep into the drains.

I stood there and just thought back to the old days and wished I could just step back in time for just one day to be driving to work in my 1963 Chevy and clocking in and going to work dumping barrels of whiskey or painting over the heads to get them ready to ship to Scotland!

It was always interesting working at Kinsey for Publicker Industries!
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dave ziegler
02-03-2009, 06:10
It is snowing here at work in Boyertown and I am thinking about all the work a snow storm would bring when I worked on the Yard gang at Kinsey! With 199 acres and the 3 Company Homes we were always busy shoveling and plowing! Docks at the Bottling House had to be clear so that trucks and rail cars could get in!

Many a truck load of Old Hickory would go out and Inver House also. Through the years I worked there we were always busy and no hint of any trouble ahead but who could know that Mr Neuman would die in 1976 at age 76. He had gone in the Hospital in Phila for something not to bad and got something there that Killed Him From what I have been told He got the Legionairs Sickness that killed so many People there that year..

After He died the Company went into a down turn that never pulled up. But the days from 1966 through late 1971 were busy and happy years and I could not begin to tell you how much good quality Spirits flowed out of The Linfield Bottle House it ran wide open from 7:00-AM Till Midnight 5 days a week and was a hub of activity.

All the while once I was in the Warehouse we were dumping from 7:30 till 4:00 every day five days a week Thousands of Barrels of great Whiskey.
The Trouths were just a set of screens with raised wood sides and we would roll them up making sure that each one would hit a spot where the Bung could be pulled and it could be rolled to pour out. The screens kept the Charcoal out for the most part and there were no covers over the Trougths so any dirt or dust would be filtered out later in the process before blending and bottling.

Even in this cold weather we dumped every day and there was always enough heat to make sure the Whiskey aged right. Also the coopers would look for leaking Barrels and repair them and if they had a leaking Wood Worm Hole take a little cone shaped piece of wood reem the hole a little then pound it in and break it off. The wood it was made of a softer wood and swelled up quickly to stop the Leak!

When I went with my Friends to pick a barrel out for me and Fricky They showed me one of the Old Filters cans that went out of the Warehouse to the Bottle House it was half full of Old whiskey that had sat in it for better then 29 yrs! It smelled so Dam good yet and It brought back so many Memories too me of the Fumes back those days in the warehouses I alway loved them! It like a sinus opener for sure.


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dave ziegler
02-04-2009, 02:30
One of the weirdest things I saw on Sunday when I walked around Kinsey was that as I walked I noticed that everywhere that there was melting snow it was still flowing down into the Heavy duty drains that had been put there in the 1940's. They were working so good it was as if the Place was still alive and operating. What a tribute to how well things were made when they built all the Explosion proof warehouses!

I have seen much newer places sitting like this and the drains were either pushed up from freezing on the ground or pluged and not working. The drains were taking the water as fast as it could flow to them. It was surreal in that I could hear the water running down deep into the ground and doing just what they were designed to do.

I just wish that somehow the Place could have been saved all those years ago or at least have made the Warehouses into Unique Lofts & Condos but no they sit and rot. It is a hard thing to see but going there always cheers me just to walk and remember.

I am hoping to soon get the sign that used to be on the front of DSP-Pa-12 once the weather breaks. And if the weather gets as warm as they are saying on Sunday I will walk again through Kinsey remembering and taking Pictures & People.
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dave ziegler
02-05-2009, 05:53
Working At Kinsey was almost like a big Family we helped each other and we had the fund that Walt created to help those who were out for some reason by selling Kinsey Benifit Tickets, baskets of Cheer and other stuff! For the Most part all the company Boss's were very nice and fair to us and the Best Part was Publicker was very proud that they were An American company and they were generous in our wages.

It was and always will be the Best Place I ever worked and I wish i would have stayed there till the end! Where I am now is getting very worrisome people being pushed out every couple of months and no thought to you as a person. Publicker was not like that they were a people Company and an Icon in the making of Alcohol.

The Kinsey Distillery was a Picture of what a Plant should look like a peaceful lovely Place with wildlife all arround and Many people having Happy Lives being employed there.

We just did our jobs and that was it, I never had any Boss yell at me or give me a hard time if you messed up you would be told you can do better and that was it!

Just my opinion
I think that Continental Distilling made some of the very Best Whiskeys ever made and just as good if not better then some Finest of them now. Even though we were big Our Products were made and aged to make them right there with anyones.



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dave ziegler
02-06-2009, 06:15
When I started at Kinsey and through the time I worked there Continental was always looking for cars and trucks at resonable prices to use around the Plant as It was just too big to walk and get where you needed in time also the only Bathroom in the warehouse area was in O Building the Lunch room and Government Men had their own there!

It you wanted to get to the break room for break, lunch or out front to go out at lucnh you had to catch the Green 1951 Dodge Flat truck with Mike Zuno when he came to your location and also at the end when He picked you up. You would climb up on the flat bed and ride.

We had lots of Old cars I remmeber now that we Had a 1951 Pontiac and a 1941 Desoto besides the Old 1951 Plymouth that Bonda drove and of crouse our Blue 1951 Ford Pickup which was in great shape the 3 poor Old 1941 Ford Flat trucks beat bad and Mikes 1951 Dodge. later there was a 1954 Caddy made into a Pickup and Of course My Personal Favorite Charlies Model A frame with a open bolted on seat no hood windshield, no fenders no lights and a 100 Horse Power Ford Flat Head V8 put in it by Dickie Phiefer Charlie loved doing Burnouts with it He could light them up!

Cars & trucks would be roaring back and forth all day the old Ford Flat trucks and the Dodge taking barrels from a warehouses that did not have a dump trouth to ones that did.

This time of year we would be outside in the yard gang taking care of snow sweeping all the buildings including ones never used any more they still got swept and had heat and sprinkler including DSP-Pa-12 and DSP-Pa-10.

I have so many thoughts on those great days, The Company Nurse that drank Bourbon and Coffee every day was in the first floor of the Old Company House out front near the Old Bottle House and George Dill had all the second floor attic and a little bit of the first floor then!
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Jono
02-06-2009, 10:25
Why wasn't one just parked for each building for the workers in each to use?

dave ziegler
02-08-2009, 06:41
Jono The answer to that is very easy there were 4 trucks and many of the 14 warehouses had no dump trough and driving a truck was a higher paying job on our Contract so only those who knew how to truck # one and had enough time there # two drove them!

In the yard gang it was different we all drove the pickup from time to time. I had to be there a while over 2 yrs then when I was bumped into the warehouse and someone was out sick I sometimes got that pay and drove one! They always used Mike Zuno's Dodge to pick us up because it had wooden sides to keep us from falling off hopefully!

You would have to walk the Place to see how big it was to understand how things worked. In dirrent areas of the plant there was alway one warehouse that had a dump trough.

Hundreds of Barrels got dumped everyday so you could not just have someone jump in a truck and take them, things had to be all planed out each day for barrels dumped where and when! The system worked well They never ran out of spirits coming in the Bottle house as they used it we were dumping it to go to tanks for the next day. Also some tankers came in with other spirits from Phila.

All in All It was a fun job and I enjoyed working there more then I ever relised and after I had left for many years I paid for it by making lots less money and doing Jobs I Hated very Much. When you are young you listen to people some times and make mistakes. It is apart of growing up and teaches you to be more careful with things in your Life, Life Is The Best teacher there Is!
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Jono
02-08-2009, 11:47
Today you would be zipping employees around in golf carts / ATVs etc.

I can't believe the restrooms were so limited on a plant that size....again, today it would probably have to meet different code. Sometimes, when you gotta go you gotta go....and a 1/2 mi walk may have been really inconvenient.

I was thinking the employees would have access to a used vehicle just for transportation to and from their particular station...but it seems you are saying that any driving on the site required a particular employee with the proper pay grade. Was that a union (if it was a union plant?) rule?

dave ziegler
02-08-2009, 15:29
A Union pay rate thing on the Big trucks and the fact they were trying to keep them from getting anymore ruined as possible and company people had their own cars which they drove all the time from place to place. I never had much trouble if I had to take a leak we would go out behind the building it was for the other it was hard.

They only ever had cars when they found ones cheap to buy from local people instead of them going to the Junk yard. And Old Dickie Phiefer would keep them running even putting used engines in them!
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lohssanami
02-09-2009, 01:23
Dave...I found a bottle of Old Hickory today at an old liquor store. I can't be sure of the liquid inside since the tax stamp is no longer on the bottle, but it was on the shelf next to an Old Taylor I picked up with the tax stamp intact.

Do you remember the Flask Bottle label?

The bottom says 12 65 so I assume it was bottled in 1965, and it says Bottled by Old Hickory Distillers Co. Phila. PA, Lemont, ILL. at the bottom on the front label.

dave ziegler
02-09-2009, 07:19
I remember that Label well it was bottled in Philadelphia at our Bigler Street Bottle house the last year when The Linfield Bottle house was getting ready to open , or It may be one bottled for your area out west at Our Lemont IL Bottle House. When we opened Linfield the Labels for a few yrs said Linfield Pa. / Lemont IL. We used that type of bottle and cap in the early 1960's till thge start of the 1970's.

What a wonderful thing to Find I wish these lousy Stores here had some Dusties but we are at the Mercy of The PLCB! _____BE WELL_________ PS I;m sure its fine If it were here I would have it open already!!!

Congrats on your Find and if you have any other questions let me Know I love helping with anything to do with Continental Distilling.
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dave ziegler
02-10-2009, 02:27
Today I am thinking about all the different Bourbons that we made all good and most different from each other. Old Hickory was always our Most Famous one but Our Hallers County Fair and County Fair BIB were a very Big seller back then also. But we had lots of others such as Planters Club and Planters Club Kentucky Bourbon. Also Doughertys and Country Gentilmen. Way back we made a sweep stakes Straight Whiskey and Hallers De Luxe Striaght Bourbon and Red Crown Bourbon for A&P Stores!

Another real big seller was our Charter Oak Bourbon & BIB Bourbon. The last few years we distilled Whiskey we also had the Stillbrook and Bourbon Supreme Labels and made those fine Bourbons too. There are more but I always seem to forget some. There was very little in Spirits that we did not produce and when I find something we made once in a great while, I am always pleased with it. Our products were made with Quality and care.

For anyone who has ever seen one of our early Bottles the Company Crest has this written on it

1. Skill-2.Purity-3. Quality

I will always be proud to have worked at Kinsey for Continental and remembering the People and the great Whiskeys!
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dave ziegler
02-10-2009, 05:12
Another thing I want to talk about this morning is that when I was at the Plant 6 weeks ago or so when I found those two 1/2 pint bottles of Scotch I also found an Old Blue print for the grain buildings & DSP-PA-12.
The Blue print is titled the Potato Project and talks of setting things up for Potato Distillation! It is dated at about the beginning of WWII and I guess they were thinking about distilling Potato's for the War effort! When I get a chance I will Post a picture of the Blue print it is weak and I want to mount it to something to preserve it. I also want to ask Ludy about this as he worked there then and might be able to give me some inside information on this idea.

It seems whenever I think I am running out of History it just keeps coming to me. I also am looking forward to meeting the Man who was a top Ex for Publicker this Spring I will then have tons of History, Pictures and Whiskey Information!
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dave ziegler
02-11-2009, 08:27
Last night I called Ludy and asked him about the Kinsey Potato Project that was on the old Blue print I have. He did remember it but did not remember a lot after all these yrs from 1941 he told Me it never ended up being done as they decided to stick to doing that in Phila at DSP-Pa-1
It was something They had thought might help even more in the war effort but my and Ludy's guess was that the Grain buildings were so old that it was not cost worthy.

During the war years Dsp-Pa-12 ran daily at least 2 shifts and sometimes 3 shifts. The mash was taken to the steers every day. Publicker was one of the Most Important Distiller's during the War.

It always seems so imposible to me that they are long gone but their History is an amazing one filled with many inovations and there are still many of their Pattens being used today and Ideas.
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dave ziegler
02-13-2009, 09:52
Last Night I brought out my Bottle of Mount Vernon Straight Rye Whiskey BIB distilled 1936 Bottled 1942. Everytime I drink some of it I go back to the Rye Whiskey we made at Kinsey. It is of the Flavor smell and feel in your Mouth of Our Own famous Rye Rittenhouse Rye.

I have never till I found this Old Bottle Found anything Like the Rye of that time. Todays Ryes while being Nice can not compare to those back then. It is 100 Proof BIB and yet rolls down very smooth no Water needed! Full flavor but not hard or harsh going down.

There is a big difference and I would think that any old timers would say the same thing these older Ryes were just Better. Rittenhouse Rye was the First Whiskey I ever drank and it amazed me the first time I had it. I liked it very much like eating Liquid Rye bread.

I also think there is a difference in todays Bourbons and there are many awesome Bourbons Today but they are different from Old Hickory I am not saying any are better of new or old I am saying very much different.
Old Hickory was a happening in your Mouth every sip! It just had flavors coming all through your Mouth with every Shot.

Was it The Mash Bill, and or Our Water the grain I do not know but in a side by side they are very different one from another! And For Me there is just something great about a shot of Old Hickory 86Pf-10 yr.

There are so many times I wish I could go back in time and get some bottles to put away but it is gone but not forgotten.
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Jono
02-13-2009, 12:20
I wonder if the rye variety has changed with very subtle differences.

dave ziegler
02-13-2009, 16:47
All I can say is The Rye Of Today is nothing like the Post Prohibition well aged Rye of the Old days! It just has flavor that seems to jump around in your Mouth!

The Rye I drank back in 1966 at Kinsey was out of this world Good and this Old Mount Vernon Bottle from the 1930's-40's is so Dam good its hard to believe. Wish I had 10 bottles of it!
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lohssanami
02-14-2009, 19:02
Hey Dave...I just saw these old advertisements posted on whiskymag dot com, and I thought you might want to see them here.

lohssanami
02-15-2009, 00:58
Here's another one...

dave ziegler
02-15-2009, 17:31
WOW thanks they are great ads never saw those western ones ever! Today has been a really great day Fricky and I met at my friends house across from the Distillery and picked up our 2 Continental Distilling Rye Mash Barrels which I hand picked from in the Plant about 2 months ago when My friends unlocked the door and took me in.

They are mint condition and the Bung's are still in them the Whiskey evaporated out of them! They also got me the Kinsey Pa #10 Distillery sign that used to be on the DSP-PA-12 Still after Mr Kinsey built it. They even removed an old block of wood from it and got their saw and trimed a bad end off it! Fricky is going to patch it where it is broken with two boards and then try to spray something to keep the Lettering on it from flaking off. It is the most Historic Sign in the place and will have a spot of Honor at my Home.

I also took a set of matching Receiving & Mash bill from Mar 15 1951 to the Limerick Historic Society and donated it today with a promise they will frame and mat it as I did mine. I told them it is one of a kind in the world I have the only ones that still exsist! They were very Excited about having them.

Fricky will when he starts our Barrels post before and after pictures of them. They are in amazing shape and they are a very rare thing to have as dated 1971! They must have never got dumped and were put away in building L and the Whiskey evaported in them but they had Hoop Nails on them so the Hoops stayed tight!

Once Fricky fixes the sign for me I will take pictures of it and post them, this has been a great day for History of Kinsey and it is time for me to go have a shot of Whiskey and get to bed.
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Jono
02-15-2009, 20:16
The 100 proof BIB version noted at the bottom of the advertisement would have been great to try too.

dave ziegler
02-16-2009, 12:35
I never Got to try the BIB 100 Proof Old Hickory but it was a big seller! It too was 6 years old we never made an Old Hickory that was not at least 6 years of aging or 10 yrs! And as I have said we even had a special 20 yr Old Hickory! I think the aging of at least 6 yrs has to be a big part of why Old Hickory was and is when found today Dam Good Whiskey!

The Company always took The Making Of Old Hickory very serious as it was our Number One Bourbon and Our Biggest seller. It had its own Mash Bill not shared with any of our Other Bourbons.


I would think the character of Old Hickory BIB would have been alot like Our Haller's County Fair BIB but with 2 more yrs aging and a much more smooth Rich Flavor. When you drink Old Hickory your mouth feels lots of flavors coming out of everywhere and it always rolls down so easy!
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dave ziegler
02-17-2009, 02:44
Working in the Old Wood and Brick Warehouses at Kinsey was one of the hardest Jobs. The reason being they were limitted in space when you got between the rack to roll the barrels, you had to either climb the wooden Ladders to get to each level all the way up to the 6th level or ride the old fashion Freight Elevater a couple people only at at time. There was just enough room in warehouses D,E by the Old Bottle House and F,G and H for a small lift on the first two levels to bring barrels down.

In the two oldest 1892 Warehouses built by Jacob Kinsey - A & B- you had to use a very weird hoist that was mounted in the roof you would put a chain and hook on each end of the barrel on the heads and tighten the chain with the electric hoist then slowly lower the Barrel. These two old Warehouses were the frist to not be filled in the end years!

In the other Oldest warehouses the freight Elevaters were very touchy you had to always make sure to be exact in the amount of Barrels you loaded or you would go crashing to the ground floor. I Had that happen once when one of the guys loaded an extra barrel on when I was not looking and hit bottom Hard.

They were just Brick walls with a couple of Windows on the river side of them and lighting and a little heat and lots of Sprinklers mounted everywhere inside! Even the 1892 Warehouses A,B had sprinklers!

Some of the Very Best Rye Whiskey and Bourbons came from these old Wood and Brick warehouses and I had my First Shot of Rye at 19 yrs old from them!



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dave ziegler
02-17-2009, 17:33
Here is a Picture I took of the Old Blue print I Found at the Kinsey Maintaince Barn about the Potato Project I was wrong about the year it was being considered in 1946 just after the end of the war by Continental they were thinking I guess about distilling Potato's there at DSP-Pa-12. I just framed it tonight

Also Fricky sent me these Last 5 pictures by e mail of our two Barrels we got from my friends at Kinsey on Sunday and the Old Sign after they cut the extra off the end and the two barrel staves with bungs. Fricky is going to restore the sign some for me and I will preserve it at home then. He is going to turn our two 1971 Continental Distilling Rye Mash Whiskey Barrels into tables for us keeping them original.

Also He is going to finish the two Barrel Staves with Bungs I got us at Kinsey this Past fall! The sign is the rarest sign from the Plant, it was laying in a pile of bricks when I found it after the still was knocked down it flew off it and broke some but I was able to dig it out and now after fricky fix's it a little I will save it for History! It was mounted on the Front of DSP-Pa-12 by Mr Kinsey back when it was built and thankfully survived the building being knocked down.
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dave ziegler
02-18-2009, 02:25
Here is a Picture I took of the Old Blue print I Found at the Kinsey Maintaince Barn about the Potato Project I was wrong about the year it was being considered in 1946 just after the end of the war by Continental they were thinking I guess about distilling Potato's there at DSP-Pa-12. I just framed it tonight

Also Fricky sent me these Last 5 pictures by e mail of our two Barrels we got from my friends at Kinsey on Sunday and the Old Sign after they cut the extra off the end and the two barrel staves with bungs. Fricky is going to restore the sign some for me and I will preserve it at home then. He is going to turn our two 1971 Continental Distilling Rye Mash Whiskey Barrels into tables for us keeping them original.

Also He is going to finish the two Barrel Staves with Bungs I got us at Kinsey this Past fall! The sign is the rarest sign from the Plant, it was laying in a pile of bricks when I found it after the still was knocked down it flew off it and broke some but I was able to dig it out and now after fricky fix's it a little I will save it for History! It was mounted on the Front of DSP-Pa-12 by Mr Kinsey back when it was built and thankfully survived the building being knocked down.
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Getting the two 50 gal barrels is a very exciting thing for me as they are another part of the Plant and its history. There are maybe 47 Barrels left in the One warehouse building and that is it and it is amazing there are any in good shape really after all these years. The Building they are in is dryer and in good shape. Also I am very glad I was able to save the Still Sign from going to the dump. It flew to where it was buried when the still was knocked down and I spoted it a year ago and slowly dug it out of the mess when I went there. Then with winter coming I turned it over so snow would not lay on the writtting on it. Thanks to being friends with the guys that watch things it is now safe and getting repaired. I could Have most likely never carried it out throught the field to heavy as it had metal and was longer till the guys cut some extra wood off and took the metal covering around it off.

Saving the History and memories of Kinsey is my Goal as long as I can do it.
Also I found first Picture above the Potato Project Blue print the day I found the 2 1/2 Pint bottles of Scotch that sat in the wall for 35 + years Ludy thought they had belonged to my Old friend there Lou Thought he remembered him telling him he hid them there but so long ago can't be sure! Sadly the Place is starting to get nearer the end and I hate to think of the day it will be gone!
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dave ziegler
02-19-2009, 05:42
I am Planning to go back to Kinsey this weekend weather permitting and get some more shots and look for some more history Pieces. So Many times I wish all of you could try our Whiskeys against the ones Now and see how they stacked up I would be very willing to bet they would do very good. I think the Old hickorty would take on the Best if for no other reason then its being aged at least 6 years and its High Quality.

The Company Had 4 Laboratorys one in Center City, one at DSP-Pa-1 In Phila for both Industrial and drinking Alcohol and One in the Big Bottling house in Linfield and I have been told one in Eddystone Pa and a 5th one at Lemont IL bottling house.

I am lucky to have an Actual Laboratory Beaker for Bourbon from Kinsey in my Collection.

I just feel the need to walk there again and just look and remember, it is good for my soul it seems. I have been looking through my many pieces of company Paper work and want to take some good scans of them and post them.

I wish I could have got there looking back now when DSP-Pa-12 was still standing to get shots in there for History. When I worked there I was amazed at how good they took care of the Place not just the Lawns and things you see but the Oldest not used Buildings were always kept up.

I have some Paper work about daily Out put in the Big Bottle House I want to dig out and post also. I look at every Piece of Company Paper work I saved as living History and I am pleased that I found the old Blue Print titiled The Potato Project while it was still there laying just out of the rain and weather in good shape.

Everytime I go there I find or see Parts of Pa. Distilling History and there are times when I wish I could have seen Old #12 making Great Whiskey but that ended in early 1951.

Another thing I have been thinking since we were so big and yet there seems to be so little Old Hickory still foating around in peoples cabinets and old stores it is a testament to How Dam Good It Was!

I plan on calling Ludy Today and talk some about the place as he most times tells me something interesting for sure.
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Jono
02-19-2009, 06:56
Dave, is there a current bourbon that comes closest to the taste of Old Hickory? At least, what is Old Hickory closest to..say by comparison:

Example....if you were to sit down and pour 6 different bourbons....it would be interesting to see where Old Hickory would slot in along the profile.

dave ziegler
02-19-2009, 09:21
Not the same but ones Like Eagle Rare 17 yr Old, Ridgemont 1792, All Fairly High end Whiskeys I can afford are close but not the same they seem to miss the flavors moving around in your Mouth the way that Old Hickory Does. And they are not as smooth in their Finish but I really like the Eagle rare 17 Yr Bourbon, it has qualities like Old Hickory not the same but smooth and flavorful! The New Riitenhouse Rye is Great But not at all like our Version of it. The Old Mount vernon Rye from 1936-1942 I bought last summer is almost the same as Our Rye was! I have had shots from friends of Other very expensive Bourbons I could not afford and they are just not the same as Old Hickory. The Eagle Rare 17 Yr which is pricey for me is the closest also Regular Eagle Rare 10 yr reminds me a little of Our 80 Proof version.
If I were to Pick the Distiller who makes the closest it would be the Old Prentice Distillery in Ky.

To me it just seems that the Bourbons of Old are just different and in many hard to explain ways. I have when I have Old Hickory compared it with others and yet the Old Hickory always pleases me more!
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Jono
02-19-2009, 09:51
That helps at least for a general profile....thanks!

dave ziegler
02-20-2009, 06:08
When I worked at Kinsey for Continental I grew to Love our Products to the point I did not buy anything but our Products. It was not just because I worked there that of course being part of it. It was because I thought Our Products were the best out there at that time!

And I have no doubt they were because if for no other reason Our State of the Art 1966 Bottling House which when it opened in fall 1965 was the most technologic Bottling House in the world. We had the Best of Labs with lots of Scientific Equipment and Of Course we had experiance from 1933 being one of the first to set up to make great Whiskeys Under Mr Si Neuman!

Those days the company was very inovative and till Mr Neuman died we kept up with the Lastest things. The Year mr Neuman died found us making Our Famous 1976 Libery Bell decanter for Philadelphia Blended whiskey. I am lucky to have 4 of them one being full yet in its box with owners manual and original recipt for purchase.

The Company how ever sure had their trouble with the Bell they leaked alot and thousands of them were defective.
Ludy told me they leaked on the Bell at one of the made to look like a crack spots and the maker refused to refund or replace them.
They had to even go to court about them.
But meanwhile they got others and continued to sell them through the Bicentential yr.

Ludy told me he could not count how many were taken down to the Dump and trashed but he saved some for History and gave me 2 of mine.
When it came to Blended Whiskey Philadelphia Blended was my Favorite and the recipe as far as I know for it was shared by Governors Club Blended whiskey. Other Blendeds Like Kinsey were different.

Now that I have the 4/5 Pint of Kinsey Silver Blended Ludy gave me I find it to be a Delightful Blended Whiskey that I enjoy very much but sadly only till the Bottle goes empty.

I like the Kinsey Blended enough that if I ever find any again I will buy it gladly!
Mr Kinsey Lived to be 94 Years Old early 1950's and Kinsey Distillery Operated till fall 1986 94 Years!
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dave ziegler
02-20-2009, 11:25
Here is a shot of the Old Sign from DSP-PA-12 right after i got it out of the Pile of Bricks Last fall. Not it is longer on the side with nails sticking out, the guys trimed that off plus took off the Old Metal that was part of what used to fram it on the still! Fricky is going to find something to coat it with to keep the paint from lifting any more where it is lettered as laying for years under the pile took its toll. I hope to find more exciting things like this in the next month or so when warmer days come before spring when everything grows.
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dave ziegler
02-22-2009, 05:19
Well I got a good day yesterday and took a 2 1/2 hr walk through Kinsey and Got some pictures and a couple of treasures out of O building which was open then!
Here we go
1. The box and what is left of the Government Mens Christmas tree they put up every year in their office in Building O
2. Old time Hot Plate that Sam and the government men used to heat lunches on
3. I found one of the old Army coats they used to give us laying in a dirty pile belonged to one of the government Men
4. Here is the dump trough in Building O and tank platform where it was pumped to go to the Bottling house
5. Closeup of Trough O Building with old Bungs and charcoal laying in srceens
6. Ruin in O Building Kids just dumped tons of Caps for bottles everywhere.
7. I shot these next two shots through the door cracked partly open of Warehouse H the Last wood and brick Warehouse built by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936, amazingly it is not leaking much yet dry and Ok in parts
8. The frieght elevator in warehouse H the only Freight Elevator that still stands of them the ones in other buildings have fallen down door is raised as if it is ready to go get barrels it was one of these I took my ride straight down to the floor in but in warehouse E out front
9. Closeup of the old trough buried in the wreakage of the second floor of the Old Kinsey Bottle House out front.
10. Paper from what was left of an Old Hickory Display they were heavy cardboard and the state stores would set them up and stack bottles on them. I have two complete and perfect Inver House Red ones. I found this laying where Kids had torn up the rest of it in Bulding O and brought it home and cleaned it yesterday!
11. I found a bundle of very interesting papers up in the Government Locker room the first one here Compares whiskey Proofs with different Amounts of Heating in different areas and Floors in Explosion proof Warehouses S & T in April May and June of 1948 for changes of Proof they would go take samples take them to the Phila Lab back then and see if the proof went up or down.
This whiskey was all distilled at DSP-Pa-12 Linfield and notes that at the bottom
A Single Barrel of 1950 Production was Proofed. It was filled a 110 serial number -- B 674577-- location 3 floor 4th tier 102 temperature was 43
12.Barrels in Warehouses P, S, T,and Q April 1955 with heat added and the increase in proof with heat it says 4 Plus etc
13. Last sheet March 1955 It states at the bottom of this sheet that all these Kegs calls the barrels Kegs are Producted at Kinsey Distillery # Dsp-Pa-10 Rye still stored in warehouse P, Q, R, S and T
They are the only production of it, so that any tax Payment of Kinsey Rye 1948 would be under Proof at about average 98 proof.

One last note finding these shows that they still as of late 1940's and early 1950's made Kinsey Rye in the Old DSP-pa-10 Pot type still in the Old #10 Barn!

I will continue to try and find and save these kind of Papers for History, the last time I got in O Building I found the Mash Bills from 1951 there are no more that is why I took a Matched Recieved and Mash Bil set right to the Limerick Historic Society to preserve it for History. I have always loved History and there is nothing like being able yourself to save pieces of it!
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dave ziegler
02-22-2009, 06:17
Well I got a good day yesterday and took a 2 1/2 hr walk through Kinsey and Got some pictures and a couple of treasures out of O building which was open then!
Here we go
1. The box and what is left of the Government Mens Christmas tree they put up every year in their office in Building O
2. Old time Hot Plate that Sam and the government men used to heat lunches on
3. I found one of the old Army coats they used to give us laying in a dirty pile belonged to one of the government Men
4. Here is the dump trough in Building O and tank platform where it was pumped to go to the Bottling house
5. Closeup of Trough O Building with old Bungs and charcoal laying in srceens
6. Ruin in O Building Kids just dumped tons of Caps for bottles everywhere.
7. I shot these next two shots through the door cracked partly open of Warehouse H the Last wood and brick Warehouse built by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936, amazingly it is not leaking much yet dry and Ok in parts
8. The frieght elevator in warehouse H the only Freight Elevator that still stands of them the ones in other buildings have fallen down door is raised as if it is ready to go get barrels it was one of these I took my ride straight down to the floor in but in warehouse E out front
9. Closeup of the old trough buried in the wreakage of the second floor of the Old Kinsey Bottle House out front.
10. Paper from what was left of an Old Hickory Display they were heavy cardboard and the state stores would set them up and stack bottles on them. I have two complete and perfect Inver House Red ones. I found this laying where Kids had torn up the rest of it in Bulding O and brought it home and cleaned it yesterday!
11. I found a bundle of very interesting papers up in the Government Locker room the first one here Compares whiskey Proofs with different Amounts of Heating in different areas and Floors in Explosion proof Warehouses S & T in April May and June of 1948 for changes of Proof they would go take samples take them to the Phila Lab back then and see if the proof went up or down.
This whiskey was all distilled at DSP-Pa-12 Linfield and notes that at the bottom
A Single Barrel of 1950 Production was Proofed. It was filled a 110 serial number -- B 674577-- location 3 floor 4th tier 102 temperature was 43
12.Barrels in Warehouses P, S, T,and Q April 1955 with heat added and the increase in proof with heat it says 4 Plus etc
13. Last sheet March 1955 It states at the bottom of this sheet that all these Kegs calls the barrels Kegs are Producted at Kinsey Distillery # Dsp-Pa-10 Rye still stored in warehouse P, Q, R, S and T
They are the only production of it, so that any tax Payment of Kinsey Rye 1948 would be under Proof at about average 98 proof.

One last note finding these shows that they still as of late 1940's and early 1950's made Kinsey Rye in the Old DSP-pa-10 Pot type still in the Old #10 Barn!

I will continue to try and find and save these kind of Papers for History, the last time I got in O Building I found the Mash Bills from 1951 there are no more that is why I took a Matched Recieved and Mash Bil set right to the Limerick Historic Society to preserve it for History. I have always loved History and there is nothing like being able yourself to save pieces of it!
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I may go back to Kinsey this afternoon if the weather is not to bad to look for more History Papers! There is a good bit of Paper work to look through and some of it is either to dirty or ripped.I want to also Post some of the Fire drill paper work I found in warehouse H when I got in there last year before the door got blocked. I think the Papers about Proof Increase with heat are very interesting and also the paper that talks about Kinsey Rye made in Number 10 and the papers state all of the Whiskey tested was done at Kinsey some dsp-pa-12 and the Rye dsp-pa-10 hope everone enjoys them try to blend Pictures History and People that worked there in all of them. When I went in the Warehouses we were getting alot of the last of the Barrels of whsikey out of the Old Wood and Brick ones and it was very interesting and if you climbed the Wood Ladder up to the 6th tier kind of scary I most times rode the frieght Elevator up then just climbed the 3 lelvels on each of the Tier!
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dave ziegler
02-23-2009, 03:05
Here are some of the wonderful things I have saved through the years from Kinsey for History.
1. & 2. My Explosion proof switchs Lit and not lit I have been working on them wire brushing them and they know look very good. I still have 3 other sets being done by an electrian friend I will get back in the future.
3. Closeup of the Potato Project Blue print Information corner
4. A This Sign is 4 feet Long from Building P I carried this thing out it is about a good mile I carried it but Kids had ripped it from the wall and I could not stand to see it rot!
4. B Complete Inver House state store setup I found a box full of these and got two putting one togher I have my Inver House on it
5. & 6. Two Barrel Heads I saved from the Plant dated 1963
7. Sign room F from Warehouse R inside firstfloor, 8... two signs from Warehouse P that go with the big one to make a complete set
9.. & 10. Here is a small complete Explosion proof Light Lens and Hood I brought home.
11. thru 14. This is a complete Philadelphia Blended Whiskey Libery Bell I bought private it has the box Wraping, Owners Manuel and Original Recipt for 19.95 & Tax! It is about 2/3 full, I had to repair and replace the cork.
This was one of the only two Decanters Continental ever made it was made in 1976/77 they also made the Andy Jackson one in 1955/56.
15. This is the heavy card board Panel from an old Cardboard Display setup for state stores The Kids had ripped it to hell but I cut repaired and restored this part in is about 2 foot high.
16. The Last thing is a Old Hickory Bar sign bought and given me by Jazzhead ( Kurt ) yesterday!

I hope to save many more things as I find them if I get the chance
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dave ziegler
02-23-2009, 05:49
While I was loading these Pictures above to put on this morning Last night I was talking to my Friend In Ca who was the top person I have ever spoken to that was an Excutive for Publicker and I was telling him about some of the stuff I have saved from Kinsey and He was truely delighted.
He also told me when he comes to Pa in the spring he will show me many Hundreds of Pictures of the Philadelphia Plant and I will be able to post some hopefully I have no pictures of it and the Pictures he has were from the days it and Kinsey and Our Chemical Plant in La operated so they should be awesome.

He also told me again about how much capacity Our Bottle House had we could do all our bottling for each given Day and also do all the bottling that Seagrams needed that same day.
Amazingly He has never had any of the Peanut Lolita Liqour I have and I promised him some when he gets here. I am really excited about talking Publicker for hours with him and he knows more then any other Living Person having overseen the building of all the Expolsion proof Warehouses in the early 1940's. The buildings he told me yesterday were built by a very Famous Builder Mc Cluskie Builders in Phila Spelled wrong by me I am sure and as I have written before the Brick Work was done by Kelly For Brick Princess Grace Kellys Familys bussiness. He also told me about Harry Publicker and what a great man he was also and a very brave man who lost both his legs in the 1950's and kept going learning to walk on Artificial Legs. He did not ever give up and He did many secret Donations to many things making sure like Mr Neuman always did that while He was living No One Would Know He did!


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dave ziegler
02-24-2009, 02:35
I don't know why I forgot and took pictures of the Paper work I could have scaned them but in taking Pictures of the signs I did them with the camera. I will be scaning in some so it is easy to read the Paper work this week I have reams of Paper work from the plant even papers about selling Mr Medley Old Hickory Bourbon in bottles and Barreled whiskey. I also have many more Labels I want to post some of. We had over 115 Brands in our Hayday and even at the end Had wine we sold by the Name of Haller's Ros'e. If someone would have said that the place would be out of bussiness 15 years after I left I would never have believed it.

My last year there we were still very busy and the Most Important thing was Mr Neuman was still living and running everything. He was the driving force that kept the Company going. He had so many amazing Ideas and was never afraid to try them once he thought them out.

My Friend who was a high up EX said on sunday when I called him that if Mr Neuman would not have died so sudenly He thinks he would have got a team of the right people to insure the place continued after he was gone.
But he went in the hospital for something minor and got something like the Legion sickness while in and died. Once he died alot of people started to take advantage of a bad situation and used it to get money and the place just went on a down spiral that it never pulled out of. I am truely excited about talking to him this spring He lives I found out not more then a few miles from where I work.

He said to me you may well have sat across from me eating Lunch and not know it all these years. When I talk to him I will be able to get information about Production, brands and so many things that only He will know, He is the one person who is living that knows more about Publicker then anyone else and I am thankful he called me in Nov of Last year.

I can hardly wait to see the Industrial Pictures He has of the Publicker Plant and the Bigler street Bottle house in Phila He most likey is the only person with pictures of those plants I have never seen any.
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dave ziegler
02-25-2009, 02:40
One of the weirdest things I remember was there was a fellow named Bob Nemiricter that worked in the warehouse when I was bumped in there and he was very jumpy ( Goosey they called it ) and there was another Bob who was a real Jokester. Well every Now and then he would sneek up behind Him and touch a broom handle at his butt and He would jump and his Left fist would go out in a punch. Well One day This Happened and there was another fellow right in front of him and he hit him and knocked him right down when the Handle touched him.

Well that stopped that for a while thankfully the guy who was hit was ok and did not report it.

And Remeber One time getting in a dice game at break we did alot of Dice those days if we were not in the mood to ride to the Break room especialy when it was cold out. Well this day I started in a game with .50 cents and by second break I was up to $50.00.

Well most times when the day ended you took what you won but not this day as the one guy Bob The Jokester who always won was determined that the game was to go one more full day for fun He said something new. Well by the end of the next day I had lost it all even my .50 and He had won everyones money that rolled the dice both days! We never did a two day game again!

I remember Poor Dickie Pfiefer getting so mad he just about Jumped Up and down, He had just got one of the Old 1941 Ford Flat trucks going and one of the Guys I think the Jokester Bob again had not watched backing up and ruined the Door. The truck had only been out of the shop maybe an hour!

I think back to Poor Old Dickie Pfiefer working over there in that little space in between the #10 Rye Barn and old Warehouse A just a tin roof a roll door dirt floor and a Radiator hanging down for heat and one Explosion proof Light with a green hood I have that hood here at home in his memory. It is no wonder He was always mad but he worked there because it was the one Place you could work on a truck out of the weather and he did everything from putting doors on the trucks to motors from the junk yard in. He kept them trucks running for better then 30 yrs.

These are such great Memories of the guys, and me as a young Kid there working For a great Company and learning about Whiskey!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-26-2009, 02:48
During the time Continental Distilling was in Bussiness we had way over 100 brands of Spirits here is a set of pictures of Our BIB 8 year Old Corn Whiskey Mid West Corn Whiskey! We also the last few years in Bussiness had the Old Stillbrook Label that had belonged to American Distilling and made Stillbrook BIB Corn Whiskey.

Quick Note the Pint Bottle has the wrong tax sticker these were Trade show bottles and someone put a Pink instead of Green BIB sticker on it.

Here are the 2 pictures of two of my Mid West BIB 8 yr Corn whiskey bottles a 4/5 Qt and a Pint both bottled at DSP-Pa-12 Linfield and distilled at DSP-Pa-1 Phila

They Had so many brands that I do not know at least 25 or more we also in the years of the Linfield 1966 Bottling house did alot of work for Seagrams and also many other Distillers in Ky and where ever Whiskey was bottled. The Medley Family Knew Mr Neuman and we did work sometimes for them and they did some special small batch stuff for Continental from what I have been told.

Continental was not the type of Company to try and Push other companies out of compitition but rather won customers by making a better Product and having something for everyone be it Liqour, Gin or Fine Whiskey. From all the different people I have talked to they were well thought of in the Distilling Familys.

I just wish that the company could have kept going but the loss of Mr Si Neuman was too much and there were those who just wanted to get all they could once He was gone. He was such a Leader that when he died the Company Died!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-27-2009, 02:34
As anyone who reads my Threads knows I love Peanut Lolita Continentals Peanut Liqour. I am lucky to have a good many but once they are gone there will never be any more. For Anyone Looking for a Dusty of it here are pictures of the two size Bottles it was bottled in a 375 Ml and a 750 ML.

The 750 in the picture is full the 375 is a empty Trade show bottle. I hope that by printing these pcitures out someone can find some Dustys. I gave a friend at work a small sample and He said it was totally wonderful He also said the Casties Peanut Cream Rum is nothing Like our Peanut Lolita as it has cream in it and Peanut Lolita is made with Bourbon and way better! It is 53 Proof and the label on the back gives the recipe for a Edinburg Express which is a shot and 1/4 of Scotch and a shot of Peanut.

I have called some Distillers and no one seems to be interested in trying to make this. I am wondering If HH would be willing to try and make something like this? I have never called them about it.

I wish someone would Make it again, I have a friend from NY who drinks Frangelica and He said when I gave him a taste that it is way better then that.
So If anyone knows of a Distiller that would be interested Lets petition them to do it!
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kickert
02-27-2009, 05:34
For Anyone Looking for a Dusty of it here are pictures of the two size Bottles it was bottled in a 375 Ml and a 750 ML.

I have called some Distillers and no one seems to be interested in trying to make this. I am wondering If HH would be willing to try and make something like this? I have never called them about it.

I wish someone would Make it again, I have a friend from NY who drinks Frangelica and He said when I gave him a taste that it is way better then that.
So If anyone knows of a Distiller that would be interested Lets petition them to do it!


Very nice Dave. I would love to come across some of this. It really makes a lot of sense for someone to make a product similar to this. It seems to be a product that could work with harder mixes (i.e. your CAptain Peanut) as well as lighter, more indulgent drinks (like a mudslide).

Thanks for posting the pictures.

Jono
02-27-2009, 10:33
You would think some GA, NC or VA peanut company would investigate.

http://www.goldenpeanut.com/
http://www.hubspeanuts.com/hubsv9/shop
http://www.auntrubyspeanuts.com/

Recipe...Chicken in a Whiskey Peanut sauce
http://www.canadiandistillers.com/eng/AboutSpirits/rom_june.htm

dave ziegler
02-27-2009, 10:52
Someone had to try it so I did I just got off the Phone with a company Rep at heaven Hills. I called asked to speak to someone about Making Peanut Liqour made with Bourbon and when I talked to the Lady I told her about having worked for Continental Distilling thanked them for making Rittenhouse Rye and keeping Continental Distilling on the Label which is Old School to do. Then I told Her about My Peanut lolita and How Dam good it is and that no one makes it that we were the Only Ones and asked if they would be interested in making something like that.

She took my Office Number and said she would get someone from Marketing to call my about My Idea! I hope they do and I think if enough people called they might think about it. I told her that they were a company that was always head on the curb and thinking ahead. They may be the one chance of something like this.

I also told her how all the different people on the site wish they could get a product like this she listened to me and thanked me which is very cool since I am not in the Bussiness any more but she said it sounded like a neat Liquor.

So look up their Number On the web and call them and tell them you want Peanut Liqour there is strength in Numbers.
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mozilla
02-27-2009, 11:15
When the marketing person gets back to you....get their direct number. That way when we contact the person at Heaven Hill, they will already know what we are asking about.
Sounds like a nice project.

Jono
02-27-2009, 11:55
Might as well ask about Old Hickory too.....maybe they could aquire the label.

dave ziegler
02-27-2009, 12:04
Right Now I am just working on trying to get Someone to make Peanut Liqour. I doubt they would even think about Old Hickory with all the Bourbons they have in their Porfolio! But there is a shot of getting them to think about a good new Liqour No one else makes!
if I can get a number to call some one in Marketing I will post it their Company number in on their web site under Contact us, and I welcome anyone calling them and requsting Them making this product!
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Jono
02-27-2009, 12:06
http://www.northjersey.com/food/Old_forgotten_liqueurs_offer_a_taste_of_nostalgia. html

"But Tyler became the clear victor when he turned up something called, somewhat disturbingly, Peanut Lolita, a thick, peanut-flavored liqueur that once was produced by Continental Distilling in Linfield, Pa. The logo and fonts on the label suggest the early 1960s, but according to what little research exists, Peanut Lolita was still around in the mid-1970s, when infamous presidential brother Billy Carter "often made drunken appearances" with the liqueur's spokesmodel, according to an essay by Christopher S. Kelley in "Life in the White House: A Social History of the First Family and the President's House" (SUNY Press, 2004).

We may own the only two bottles of Peanut Lolita left in existence. Due to the liqueur's overwhelming whiskey-and-peanut taste and grainy texture — not to mention its unfortunate name — it is unlikely to make a comeback anytime soon. But Tyler has created a respectable drink with the stuff: He layers ice-cold Peanut Lolita and raspberry-flavored Chambord in a cordial glass and calls it a PB&J."

dave ziegler
02-27-2009, 16:11
I saw that artical a while back I thought to myself you guys don't have a clue as I have a good bit more then two bottles. It has a very Powerful smooth bourbon flavor in its taste profile and the Peanut flavor jumps out at you and if you had it you would like it right away. I gave a guy at work a taste one day he raved about it for days!
He put some with Rum Loved it that way and had a little on the rocks and loved it that way I gave him a couple of shots in a medical sample bottle from work. Trouble is once it is gone no more unless someone makes it again the way we did with Bourbon

I hope some of the Guys on the site looking for it can find some as once you drink it you like it. I drank better then a case of it last year! To me it is a Priceless thing to have. In all the years I have had Peanut Lolita Liqour I have never Had anyone I gave a shot of it say anything but how good it was. People always try to talk me into selling them some but no way once it is gone there will be no more and I drink a little of it most days of the week.
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Jono
02-27-2009, 21:13
The PB&J drink sounds good...Peanut Lolita and Chambord.

dave ziegler
03-01-2009, 08:22
Early today I was looking through some of my Continental / Kinsey Papers I have salvaged from there and found a blue print for the area built around the two Large Storage tanks at the back end of the plant they are giant and the blue print has all the things built in including a Dike wall on each side in case of a spillage due to something breaking! The Date is Feb 29 1960! So I finally know when the tanks came in by Rail car as they no doubt came that way. I will ask Ludy and I am also going to ask him how much they held as they are so big as Phills Fan and Fricky can tell you having seen them. And the Pictures I posted of them.

These tanks were used for all the years that we bottled Spirits there and were not used after that and were just cleaned and left uncaped.

Looking at the last brosure ever made for the place in 1982 By the man who bought it from Publicker that Year and leased them the bottling house it states
there is Capacity for 2,000 to 1,000,000 gallons on sight! In clean Stainless steel tanks for short term or Long term! And this was not counting the tanks Publicker used daily

It also states that all walls in the Warehouses are doubled walled windowless insulated and explosion proof. The Ceilings are 17 to 22 feet high and floors are 12 inces thick steel reinforced and have Virtual unlimited load bearing each floor.

There are many nice pictures in the book and I will post some at a later time. Publicker owned the place till late 1980 and did the industrial Chemical and Antifreeze deal till fall 1986 when the guy who bought it from them just charged more then it was worth on their lease and that is when they closed down there and their Plant in Phila and went on to other ventures never being able to rise up like Procter and Gamble as they thought having their Chemical plant in Phila and La they could do by selling Kinsey for money leasing it back and redoing their Bottle house here and in Phila for the chemical stuff.

Mr Neuman I have no doubt would have never gone that route but his death brought others who just made lots of mistakes including selling Kinsey and stopping the bottling of Spirits.

There was a period before they sold in 1982 that they were going acording to Papers I found rent some of the empty Explosion proof warehouses to Oscar Myer and they were going to make them into large freezer Units which they would have been ideal for but I also found a paper that stated that they broke their contract to rent / lease them and Publicker was forced to sue and I don't think they ever got anything back it was a dirty deal but that is what happen to Kinsey one time after another.

In fall 1986 when Piublicker gave up the Man who bought the place from them just shut everything down turned the boilers off got rid of the 24/ 7 security force and just walked away Leaving my Kinsey Distillery to go to ruin all these last 23 yrs.
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Jono
03-01-2009, 15:56
Did their spirits business start to suffer? I wonder why they would have given up on it....if it was profitable.

dave ziegler
03-02-2009, 03:16
There was a down tread that hit slowly during about a 10 year period and when Mr Neuman died 1976 the People who forced their way on to the board started to try to change the direction of what the company did and they were the main reason that things were changed in 1979 3 years after Mr Neuman died.

What Happen was that a couple of Men from Phila bought tons of Common Stock then went to some of Mr Neumans Family not letting on how much common stock they had and bought some Prefered stock from some of them then They got on the board and started the company on the pathway it ended up going on to its ruin and end. At first it seemed it might work the idea was to become a big force in Home Chemicals like P&G and since they had two large Chemical plants the one in Phila and one in LA down south it seemed like it might work but the amout of capital they needed to go just chemicals was the trouble.

They sold off lots of things like the Lemont IL Bottle house and other things to use for Capital Investment into Chemical Bottling.

That is why in 1982 they decided to sell Kinsey and lease part of it back and bottle Anitfreeze and Chemicals there. They needed the Money to set both Phila and Linfield up for bottling just chemicals and Anitfreeze with newer equipment.

They had always made chemicals and antifreeze and bottled them in Phila in their History and the Industrial Alcohol bussiness was the bigger part but the Drinking Alcohol part was there to balance things out if one side of the bussiness was slow the other would most times be busy. They distilled and bottled till fall 1979 then after that they still distilled spirits to sell to other companys till around late 1981 I have a corn whiskey Barrel head from 1981.

And so the 7 last years ( 1979 - 1986 ) of Publicker were just a path down to the end in fall 1986. And in fall of 1986 when People came in to go to work they found the place closed and right after that the man that has owned Kinsey since 1982 just turned everything off got rid of Security and walked away from it, leaving it to go to ruin. The worse move Publicker had done was to sell Kinsey to him but it was to late.
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dave ziegler
03-04-2009, 02:46
I called Ludy Yesterday Morning to ask him about when the big tanks across from Warehouse J were first used and He could not remeber but he helped me with a mistery I have been wondering about for a while now When I first found the brohsure with the aeriel shot of the Plant from 1980 in the very back in the field below the Weigh station and the last warehouse #38 before the steer pens there were 2 giant Blue tanks in the woods in the picture.

Well Ludy told me that for more capacity they had two tanks about as big as the stainless ones I have taken pictures across from J put down back in the woods and after a tanker or dumping barrels in #38 they would pump to the tanks in the old weigh house till the tanks in it were full, weigh the spirits then pump it down to those tanks for storage till needed for bottling. They must have been put in right after I left working there so as to have even more spirits available.

When I get a chance I will scan that part of the Picture and post it. Also I now know what used to be in the giant fenced in foot ball field size Pad right behind the Fire pumping station I found out back and took pictures of this past fall. It all makes sense now they built the fire station for two reasons one to add capacity for pumping water to the plant for fire fighting and also to protect from fire the tanks which must have been on this Pad at one time. When they were taken away I have no idea but I now know why the Pad is there fenced in seperate from the fire station way down behind the weigh station in the woods!
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dave ziegler
03-08-2009, 18:14
Friday my Contractor friend came back to the Plant to pack his gear He will not be back till next year when they tear a bunch of buildings down as we are stopping making of our biggest Product and going to do it in Japan. So He finally finished my other Explosion Proof lighting Conduit and my two Weather proof lights and switches from the Old 1892 Kinsey Barn the one switch you pull a lever up to turn it on Jim my Electrian friend told me that switch is from the turn of the century so I am so glad I got it off the wall in the Maintaince barn.
Here are the two shots I took one of them lit without flash and one with flash.

This is how the walls inside the Warehouse stairwells looked when you went in to turn lights on and stuff dozens of these pilot lights and explosion proof switches. And on the dock the Weatherproof ones too!
The first time I went in one of the Explosion proof warehouses I was in awe of the Electrics! And how the Lights were sealed with bayonet covers on them. They worked right till the end nothing ever blew up.

When I started collecting Kinsey / Continental stuff I made my mind up I was going to cover all aspects of the operation right down to these lighting Switches and pilot lights. I would guess I am the only person to make something like this up but it is a great way to preserve History as once the Plant is gone so are these.

If I ever give another Talk on the Plant I will have these to set up and show this part of operating the plant!
It was not easy getting these off walls to bring home and finding someone to make them work like this they plug in like a lamp but they will always be a part on my Collection.
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dave ziegler
03-09-2009, 18:06
First a quick note I forgot to say that when I got my Old Switches and Pilot lights going I also put original Light bulbs from the plant taken out of Fixtures on the docks. I thought it would be even cooler using bulbs from when the plant was operating.

After work today it was such a nice day and with daylight savings time I decided to go over to Kinsey and take a walk and I was rewarded. I went down back and saw that more trees were knocked down by my Buddies near the Fire pump room so I got two pictures of the Cement Pad in the woods where the two big Tanks used to be how the hell they got the tanks out of them I do not have a clue as the fence is still up but I also have a picture of the tanks I scaned from the brosure and they are on the very far right back side of the Picture and that area is were the big Pad is.

While I was back there I saw they had cut some trees farther back and into one of the old steer pens and to my surprise there was a dump with some broken and unbroken 1957 Old Hickory cafe Crafes. I found a couple of Unbroken ones and washed the Dirt out and put new lids I found in the Bottle house a couple of years ago on and I took a picture of them on each side of one of my original Labeled ones.

I also got into Warehouse S going to the back and took a picture of another abandon Fork Lift and some piles of Cases.

Here are the Pictures
1. Looking at warehouse S ahaed
2. Warehouse S sign
3. thru 7 Inside warehouse S including piles of Cases never used, The elevator set to take barrels off at first floor and one of the old fire roll doors.
8 & 9 The cement Pad where the tanks used to be in the woods
10. Bottle Dump
11. The two 1957 bottles I got and cleaned up with my original in the middle
12. Scan of the aireal picture of the plant from 1982 tanks are on the far back right side. if you look at the back water tower and then to the far right the tanks are there.

As I do this I am enjoying a shot of old Hickory 80 proof from the bottle that Jazz head gave me.
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Jono
03-09-2009, 19:12
Those are odd looking pint bottles....why that shape? And an unusual plastic screw top....wide mouth?

dave ziegler
03-10-2009, 02:45
The Bottles pictured back on page #417 came in sets of two Bottles either BIB 100 proof or 80 proof Old Hickory Bourbon. They were made that when they were empty You could put Hot water or coffee in them set them in on top in your standard coffee cup. You would take them to the table and the person could put a shot of Old Hickory in the cup and pour Hot water or Coffee from the crafe into the cup they were heat tempered
I have a set of BIB ones with Red Lids and the owners Manual and the box I also have a set of 80 proof ones.

The BIB one I have pictured with the two I got at the dump has Distilled Fall 1950 Bottled Fall 1957 six yr old Bonded in Bond Bourbon.

The first one of these I ever had my dad gave me from when he worked there. I was given one by a friend in the bottle house when I worked there and Smitty the Government Mans Son gave me one, the two Bib Matched set I bought at a flee market and I found the Owners manual and box at the plant two yrs ago!

If you look closely at them you can see the bottoms are tapered, they are a full pint in size on the owners manual it says enjoy a hot toddy with these Old Hickory Crafes it is wonderful in Hot water! They fit perfect in a coffee Cup and sit in it till ready to use and stay Hot as thermal.



They were made and filled in 1957 and only Old Hickory ever came in them!
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dave ziegler
03-10-2009, 12:23
The Bottles pictured back on page #417 came in sets of two Bottles either BIB 100 proof or 80 proof Old Hickory Bourbon. They were made that when they were empty You could put Hot water or coffee in them set them in on top in your standard coffee cup. You would take them to the table and the person could put a shot of Old Hickory in the cup and pour Hot water or Coffee from the crafe into the cup they were heat tempered
I have a set of BIB ones with Red Lids and the owners Manual and the box I also have a set of 80 proof ones.

The BIB one I have pictured with the two I got at the dump has Distilled Fall 1950 Bottled Fall 1957 six yr old Bonded in Bond Bourbon.

The first one of these I ever had my dad gave me from when he worked there. I was given one by a friend in the bottle house when I worked there and Smitty the Government Mans Son gave me one, the two Bib Matched set I bought at a flee market and I found the Owners manual and box at the plant two yrs ago!

If you look closely at them you can see the bottoms are tapered, they are a full pint in size on the owners manual it says enjoy a hot toddy with these Old Hickory Crafes it is wonderful in Hot water! They fit perfect in a coffee Cup and sit in it till ready to use and stay Hot as thermal.



They were made and filled in 1957 and only Old Hickory ever came in them!
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If you want to see the owners manual for these Pint carafe's it is on Page 11 #110 of this thread where I posted my original Manual that came with the bottles.

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dave ziegler
03-11-2009, 02:41
I decided to go to Kinsey again Tuesday Just can't walk around there enough. And took a few more pictures.
1. & 2. I finally took Pictures of the Big Tanks from behind as i could walk back there all the weeds have died down.
3. & 4. & 5. I took a picture of one of the regular Fire Escapes and then 2 of the Fire Tower to show the difference.
6.Here is the Back of a Bourbon Supreme Case of 1.75 Lt bottles note Filled Dsp-pa-12
7. here is one of the round back grip Bottles I have a blue print for the design of this bottle from when Continental Had them made by Diamond glass
8. Front of Bourbon Supreme Box
9. Where one of the giant Steer Pens used to be
10. Old small guard shack at firsrt steer Pen on the left side going to the Kinsey House
11. Here is a Large shack that used to have a coal heater in it I think it was used when they took care of the steers they could stay down there and keep warm
12. The Road down to the Kinsey House near the river
13. Close up of the Back Water Tower the trees have been cut around it
14. Leaving the Plant I took a shot from near the woods of the Warehouses running down from O Warehouse

I always love walking there and can't go enough while itis still there i want to save whatever I can for History be it picturres or stuff.
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dave ziegler
03-11-2009, 18:28
Tonight again after Work I decided to take another walk around Kinsey to see what I could find. I walked behind R building and under some wood were a couple of Old Hickory Labels the Kids had tosed there last summer amazingly a couple were good so I brought them home.

Next I walked toward the back of Building P and took the 1. shot of of the back of it and discovered the kids had got the back door open, so I climbed the fire escape and went on the railess plaform ( Picture) and went into the second floor and went down to the first floor.

These Pictures are not as good as most are lately as I used my old camera as I wanted to explore without worring about wrecking my new one.
Shot 2. is of one of the old Barrel lifts we used to take barrels off the piles and back when there were racks out of the racks!

shot 3. is of the electric boxes on the wall in Explosion proof warehouse P it had alot because it has 3 or more 2,000 gal tanks.
Shot 4. is of a mint Explosion proof Telephone in a small wood Office built there in the first floor.
I was going to next take some pictures of the Tanks when I triped and fell over hitting my Hand and putting a over 1/4 inch cut in it just under my Little finger on my right hand so I got out to look in the sunlight to see how bad then grabed a old brown bag tore it up and used the inside to put presure on the cut till it stopped bleeding. Good Thing I was not wearing my good camera around my neck it would have been wrecked

Then I took a walk down back and found a couple more coffee Crafe Whiskey bottles and a couple more 1957/1959 Pint whiskey bottles on the dump pile down there.

Then I left to get home and treat my hand which seems ok after pouring Alcohol on it! I intend to get back in P and get some shots of the tanks in there I saw the smaller one of two togther was 2.000 gal P building was one of the most used dumping Warehouses because of the many tanks in there. Now after treatng my Hand I am drinking some distilled 1946 Bottled 1950 Hallers County Fair Whiskey most likely distilled at Kinsey BIB 4 yrs old.
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dave ziegler
03-12-2009, 04:05
Well it is now 7:00 Am and I am ok after my fall but because I put my arm out when I tripped it is sore as heck. Also my Hand hurts where I cut it but it is healing up. I just have to remember to be more careful when exploring kinsey but I get so dam excited when i found cool stuff. I will get back to Warehouse P and get some tankage pictures to go with the above ones. At 61 going on 62 should know better!
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Jono
03-12-2009, 11:34
Careful over there Dave! Be sure to tell people where you are going...and when you will be back...in case you fall down a hole. Lassie! Lassie!

dave ziegler
03-13-2009, 04:08
Most times when I go to Kinsey I tell my Buddy Don I call and leave a message But I have to do more looking when walking as kids toss stuff on the floors that makes it easy to trip. I want to get back to Building P and get some pictures of the stainless tanks in there. It was amazing how much Spirits they could store to bottle at one time up to 1,000,000 just amazes me a million Gal of whiskeys and Gins and all on one site just in tanks not counting the barreled Whiskey!

There will most likely never be a place like kinsey again, its days are as I say here memories but what a powerhouse it was for those of us who like some whiskey every day.

I was about to to do some shots of the Capacity of some of the tanks but when I fell in that office room I had to get outside to look at my hand as it was bleeding good. I grabed an old paper Lunch bad from 30 years ago and tore it and used the inside to hold on the cut to stop the bleeding till I got home then holding the paper to the cut took a walk down back got a couple of bottles and caps to fit them and then left.

I saw just the one big tank in Building P had a 2,000 gal capacity, and it had its own wood stairway to the top. I also want to see if any old timer hid any Bottles somewhere not yet found. They were good at hiding Whiskey and most times once they hid it could not find it themselves.
But with out racks there is not much hope of finding anything but looking is always fun.

I came by way of the second floor and there is nothing up there except one amazing thing after all these years about 30 it still smells strongly of Whiskey walking in from the fire escape balcony the first thing I noticed before I went down and looked around and fell was the Power full strong smell of Whiskey and it was so Dam Pleasant after all those years to smell whiskey so strong!

It took me back to the old days for a moment or to I just stood there enjoying the strong smell of aging whiskey the floors have soaked it up for many years long ago and the fact that this building is closed up good made it just come at me.

I tell you was pure Joy for me to smell it as in days long gone I stood there and thought about all those I worked with and the great Bourbons we made and the good jobs we had and it made the time special a moment back in time of sorts as I have said I would love to do.

They can sing take me home country roads

"I sing take me back To Kinsey Distillery- Kinsey Richest Of All Whiskeys, and Old Hickory America's Most magnificent Bourbon."

I wish every member could have seen her in her glory she was America's most Beautiful Distillery back then so many Years ago!!
Dave Z
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Jono
03-13-2009, 09:59
"the first thing I noticed before I went down and looked around and fell was the Power full strong smell of Whiskey and it was so Dam Pleasant after all those years to smell whiskey so strong!"

No wonder you fell!

It reminds me of the bottling room at BT....those people must be buzzed all day long....the room air alcohol was so strong. Probably common to all bottling operations.

dave ziegler
03-13-2009, 11:20
Its far better then any inhaler ever made for sure and even after 30 yrs the smell and some moisture coming out of the floor if they made Conodo's there I would put in for Simulated Distillery one in other words lots of Bourbon smell coming out of the floor.

You have not seen anything unless you worked there and went into one of the wrehouses after it had been closed for weeks in the summer, you could about get loaded smelling but Boy did I love the whiskey smell and it never hurt me any! Today someone would sue and say It made them drunk or something but in the good old days it was just Fun.

When you went in the sealing all the way down about 2 foot was solid Blue vapors so it is no wonder why they had 3/4 inch thick glass fixtures that screwed with gaskets on each ligh making them explosion proof it was a major job putting a light bulb in.

In the time I worked in the warehouses I only remeber us droping one full barrel off the lift about 2 tiers up in the racks as the lift was coming down with it and it did not break just hit bounced a little and was fine boy would that have been a mess wasting all that good whiskey.

Filling the racks was harder then taking Barrels out as you had to move every one as tight as you could block it then get the next one and pull the rack holder and put in front of the next one.

I did not like taking barrels out of Old 1892 Warehouses A & B as you put a hook on each side of the barrel on the head pulled it tight with the hoist then lowered it that way, needless to say you stayed away from where it was coming down yet I never remember hearing of any falling and Ludy does not either and they did not use those two much anymore when I was in the warehouse crews.

You had to do this standing on the wood plateform between the racks 6 tiers or whatever and lean out put the hooks on hold it up and pull tight with the hoist then slowly you would lower it filling the racks would have been even worst but we did not fill them when I was doing that work they just took some vintage stuff out of those 2 buildings those yrs as by then it would be a safety thing.
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Jono
03-13-2009, 11:40
How often did people get crush injuries...be it fingers or worse?

dave ziegler
03-13-2009, 12:19
Not too much as I remember more skining your fingers stuff like that I don't remember any one ever getting hurt bad or if they did, they did not say anything I guess as had to much to drink! Also after 2:00 PM the nurse was drinking her Bourbon and coffee every day so you really did not want to go there unless you had no choice. She sure loved making Coffee on a heat ring and pouring a healthy shot or two in it at 2:00PM.

I just saw in the paper this past Summer she passed away so she lived to be in her mid to late 80's so I guess the Bourbon did work for her health!
But the first day as a 19 yr old when she said she drank it for her health at 2:00 PM every day by direction of her Doctor I was dumb enough to believe it for awhile.

Those sure were good days so long ago and thinking about them gives me joy. Going to Kinsey is like going home after not being there many years.


Kinsey was even just looking from the road beautiful to look at coming down Linfield trappe road you would see gardens and perfect grass and trimmed nice trees and fir trees and no trash anywhere. No Buts no bags clean all through the Plant as Mr Si Neuman wanted it, as He loved the Place!

Walking around you would see deer walking and Pheasants and lots of Birds and rabbits. It was like working in a park the fellows who watch the place my friends said that they sure remember how lovely it looked back when they were kids growing up across from it.
Dave Z
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Jono
03-13-2009, 12:50
Dave, it you have a knack for painting you could create some scenes that capture the way it used to be.....

dave ziegler
03-16-2009, 04:06
Wish i could Paint but can not! I was at Kinsey for 4 hrs yesterday giving a tour to a man,woman and her son. They were amazed at the size of the place. I also got her to take a couple of pictures inside the big grain silo as I could not crawl through without getting Poison Ivy but she could so she took some great shots inside I will post tonight.

Her Husband knows alot about stainless and told me the two big Tanks in the middle of the Plant are 40 feet hight he could tell by the number of sections put together and He knew how big each section was.

The Tanks were built by Chicago Tank, Bridge & Iron Company in 1960 so the steel Plate states on each one. Can any one who lives out that way tell me are they still in Bussiness?

We also found looking around what each of the two tanks capacity was and they each held 499,022 Gals 78 gal. short of Half a million of spirits each for storage meaning that when the broshure spoke of storing from 2,000 to 1 Million it meant just one thing Item and that did not count the two big tanks out back or the many tanks outside and inside the Bottle House or the many tanks in warehouse's P & I which have several 2,000 Gal tanks. So I am guessing that all tanks filled including the two tanks that used to be in the woods which in the borshure are also giant that we had close to 2 million gals of tank storeage there.

Here again is a picture of one of the two stainless tanks. I never really relised how much spirits could be stored there till I went back on these walks through. We had unlimitted capacity I am going to have to look through my Papers for out put in the Big Bottle house. I also got another 80 to 100 year old light bulb from the Old bottle House the ladys son was very tall and was able to reach up and get me one and I showed hiom how to get the explosion proof cover off so he could get a bulb to they were the last two old ones there from the 1930's Edison style.

I took them down to the Old Kinsey House near the river it is sad how it going down and the top of the barn fell in and we discovered the Barn had a slate roof on it.

We spent 4 great hours walking and studing things I also took some shots one up through an old hollow wood piller that came from the grian bin above in the Grain finishing building and insside the worm trough that went out to the #12 still. I will post them tonight also.
Dave
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dave ziegler
03-16-2009, 05:16
Wish i could Paint but can not! I was at Kinsey for 4 hrs yesterday giving a tour to a man,woman and her son. They were amazed at the size of the place. I also got her to take a couple of pictures inside the big grain silo as I could not crawl through without getting Poison Ivy but she could so she took some great shots inside I will post tonight.

Her Husband knows alot about stainless and told me the two big Tanks in the middle of the Plant are 40 feet hight he could tell by the number of sections put together and He knew how big each section was.

The Tanks were built by Chicago Tank, Bridge & Iron Company in 1960 so the steel Plate states on each one. Can any one who lives out that way tell me are they still in Bussiness?

We also found looking around what each of the two tanks capacity was and they each held 499,022 Gals 78 gal. short of Half a million of spirits each for storage meaning that when the broshure spoke of storing from 2,000 to 1 Million it meant just one thing Item and that did not count the two big tanks out back or the many tanks outside and inside the Bottle House or the many tanks in warehouse's P & I which have several 2,000 Gal tanks. So I am guessing that all tanks filled including the two tanks that used to be in the woods which in the borshure are also giant that we had close to 2 million gals of tank storeage there.

Here again is a picture of one of the two stainless tanks. I never really relised how much spirits could be stored there till I went back on these walks through. We had unlimitted capacity I am going to have to look through my Papers for out put in the Big Bottle house. I also got another 80 to 100 year old light bulb from the Old bottle House the ladys son was very tall and was able to reach up and get me one and I showed hiom how to get the explosion proof cover off so he could get a bulb to they were the last two old ones there from the 1930's Edison style.

I took them down to the Old Kinsey House near the river it is sad how it going down and the top of the barn fell in and we discovered the Barn had a slate roof on it.

We spent 4 great hours walking and studing things I also took some shots one up through an old hollow wood piller that came from the grian bin above in the Grain finishing building and insside the worm trough that went out to the #12 still. I will post them tonight also.
Dave
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I just found a site for CBi and they are a very hi tech company so the tanks that we had at Kinsey were very high quality when built!
The Picture above on the page before this quote shows one of the two big CBi Stainless tanks


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Jono
03-16-2009, 07:51
What spiritis would end up in the steel tanks? I would imagine the bourbon was barreled and put in rick houses.....were the tanks intermediary holding places until barreled or were they dump points in the bottling process?
Or were they used for the other lines of spirits?

dave ziegler
03-16-2009, 09:08
Great Question Jono they were holding tanks for spirits to be bottled! When we dumped alot of the time it went there to make sure there was plenty in the pipeline.

The two big tanks in the back were used the same way there would be bourbons and other spirits dumped and then weighed in the little weigh house across from last warehouse at the back Warehouse #38 and then pumped back to the tanks in the woods. They were long gone before I could ever get pictures of them but that is how it worked as Ludy told me. Also a tanker of ready to use whiskey from phila as they also had some aging Warehouses there I have been told or stuff bought from another distiller could be pumped right from a rail set that goes right behind the Weigh house. They would bring the car there weigh and pump till the car was empty then take the car our of the plant.

I remember those old Publicker Ind Rail tankers well. The two big tanks I have talked about on this page capacity 499,022 Gal each I have a picture here had their own weigh tank in there between them as can be seen in earlier pictures I have posted of them. They could pump down to them from out back and from them right to the Big 1966 Bottling House.

There were sytems of Stainless steel piping all over the Plant alot has been stolen but some still hang between the warehouses. Also using the tanks in Warehouse P and warehouse I, they could pump different spirits at the same time as there were lines and pipes marked inside the back side of the bottling that had Bourbon, Gin Whiskey,Scotch and Vodka. I took a picture of them one time when I could still get in there and then I broke a couple of them off to preserve and have them at home. They stated Bourbon line ect.

We had so much capcity it still amazes me and makes me sad that such a great tankage and bottling set up is gone forever!

Like the song would say Where Have you Gone Kinsey Continental Distilling the Distilled sprits Drinkers lift their lonely eyes to you!
Dave Z
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Jono
03-16-2009, 12:35
I bet the train crews were able to relieve the tanks of the small amount unable to get pumped out (if not before!)! I am sure more than enough to fill some flasks!
Chooo choooooooo!

dave ziegler
03-17-2009, 02:42
Here are some pictures taken on Sunday when I gave a 4 Hr tour of Kinsey to a Man his wife and their Son. They just e mailed me a very nice letter thanking me and saying how much fun they had and what a neat Place Kinsey is.
Pictures
1. through 6. Are inside the Big Kinsey Grain Silo out front the Lady & Her Husband on the tour I took went inside to get these for me with my Camera
7. & 8. I took these inside the Grain worm in the old Grain processing building this worm sent the grain to DSP-Pa.-12
9. Inside Hollow Wooden beam that brought grain down from the wood vat above on these Plates inide to the grain finishing Machine then to the worms and to the Still!
10. Painted Sign you can just see Continental Distilling Bonded Warehouse B this warehouse was built in 1892 By Jacob G Kinsey this is one of two that brought barrels down from the wood racks by a chain hoist with hooks on the Barrel head.
11. The Last Picture is of the painted area on one of the two giant Storage tanks in the middle of the plant if you look close you can see it say 499,022 gal or 78 gal short of half a million gal.
The people had such a good time I may be taking them back for some more pictures and History Information. Their son really liked the history stuff I told them and I myself had a great time. Their Son says it should be a livng Museum and I should have a little bus to take people on tours would that not be Fun!

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-18-2009, 02:32
One of the unusual things that Continental Distilling had and did back during their days of operation was that they had if not the biggest one of the biggest Coppering factories where they designed and built all their Whiskey Barrels and also their own school which fully trained people to build and asemble a barrel completely by themself. Ludy took that training and as I posted awhile back and still has his barrel He built there.

I wonder if any of the other big Distillers Like National had a copperage plant of their own or did they buy fromm one of the independent makers?

The School and Factory were in Marcus Hook Pa. and from what Ludy has told me was very Big and trained you very good. I will never forget the giant Barrels they brought in after we took all the racks out they were double the size of a normal Barrel. While Si Neuman was Living we were always looking for new idea's that would make a better product and at a price to keep the finished product at a afordable price for everyone.

I am hoping when my Friend that was a top Ex for Publicker gets out here to Pa that he will have some pictures of the Copperage plant, he has told me he has all kinds of industrial pictures of The Phila Plant and Kinsey from way back during Operation so I am excited about that.

I am also excited about the Barrels that Fricky is finishing up for us from Kinsey they both say Rye Mash Whiskey on the Head, Continental Distilling and the year 1971 the last year I worked there and as you could see when I posted them are complete and in good shape they will be a real treasure when finished.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-18-2009, 03:44
In looking at the Promotion pictures I just posted on the Bottling House thread I saw something I never knew The Last two Pictures I discovered, we made back in 1971 the new 24" plastic Inver House Scotch Gift Bottle. I think it was a display bottle only after now reading it fully I would love to find one of these.
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dave ziegler
03-19-2009, 18:25
Tonight I was sitting here by myself,sitting and drinking some of Our Peanut Lolita Bottled all those 30 + yrs ago which is the one liqour I love and as I drank it I thought back all those years to the day a 19 yr old Kid working in the yard gang went into the old Kinsey Bottle house for the first time. It was then the only Bottling house I had ever seen and I was amazed watching the liqour flowing in the bottles going down one side and filling from the bottom up one side while a vacume held everything else out.

The old bottle house was beautiful then clean and cranking out 3 lines of Liqour. That day one of the lines was doing products for Jacquins and the Ladies working there were very happy as they had lots of Liqours to due for this order from Jacquins.

The singer machines were working great and as I cleaned the floor I thought WOW this is awesome.

The Old Ladies knew what they were doing and product was flowing out as quick as the singers could bottle it. The stuff would go to the far end where it was cased then it was lifted up through the floor in the open trap door I Have captured in my pictures of the old bottle house.

All the time the old time Edison Light bulbes lighting the place up. I never in my life thought there would be a day the building would sit with its second floor fallen down never to make our Lolitas again.

I never even dreamed I would bring some of the Bulbs home and take pictures of the place in ruin. Life is never what you think,if it was Kinsey would still be there operating and making some of the best Spirits ever made!

So Tonight I lift a toast to all those who made both our Bottling houses run so smooth and to their Memory they were good old fashion Hard working people of the type that make America great.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-22-2009, 06:20
Here is a Picture of the pay stub of my Old friend Walt Harrington who ran the Kinsey Benifit club when I worked there this was from the last yrs 1983 the company ran and he was then working in the bottling House. The other picture is of two of our Original Office Photo's of display ads for products the first beinfg one telling people to buy our Caffe Lolital and make a milk Shake with it. The second One was a picture of the early display for Imported Inver House Green Plaid I have two of these units of the Red Plaid but none of the Green one put togther on which I have my Inver House collection and one never used.

All these things keep Kinsey and Continental / Publicker Industries alive for History and I am most thankful I can do this and write about them and save al these things from the trash heep!

Quick Note I have also posted Pictures in the Fire room thread and the Bottling house thread!-----------It is Now time to go to Kinsey for a walk and hopefully find something Exciting!

These writings are a work of Love for the Company and Kinsey Distillery which was the Most Beautiful Distilling / Bottling / and Warehousing Plany of its kind in its time.
"As the Ad would Say Kinsey This Ones For You"
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dave ziegler
03-23-2009, 02:51
I went back to Kinsey On Sunday and got some more pictures and a couple of cool things the Pictures are
1. A Old Inver House Red Plaid Display unit sitting and rotting in O building
2. thru 6. Tanks in Warehouse P
7. & 8. Old Warehouse H got part way in the door pictue of Frieght Elevater and looking down through.

I was able to Get Fricky a Inver House Red Plaid Display never put together and I assembled it and gave it to him. I will post the last of these pictures tonight or Tuesday as it is 5:45-AM and time to go to work!
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dave ziegler
03-24-2009, 02:49
On Sunday I was able to get inside the other smaller with windows grain silo and took these pictures before the poison ivy and weeds take over again! Here are four pictures of the inside of the Silo.

The large wooden hollow box at the top ran out the side and into the old Grain drying building and from that building to the grain finishing building I took pictures of the worms gears in two weeks ago it would finally go into the DSP-Pa-12 to be distilled.

I very much regret that I did not get back to Kinsey when the Old Still was there as I would have gotten pictures from top to bottom but at least I have a picture of the back of it.
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dave ziegler
03-26-2009, 17:50
Well I got some great news tonight I took an extra copy I had of my blue print of the Warehouses from 1961 to my friends that watch the place and when I got there they presented me with the 1940 Explosion proof Phone from the Tankage area of Warehouse P that I posted a picture of Last week!
Picture 1. of it shows it hanging in the office next to the tanks in Warehouse P
Picture 2. here it is sitting on my chair.
I am going to talk to my friend who worked for Bell & AT&T for 40 yrs and see if it is possible to wire it to work at home! If so I will get it done as when I am gone it can go to the Getz to be on the wall and used for fun.

They also said they will look and see if there is a better one there and if so get it for me if that happens I will send one of them to the Getz there are 3 I think there!

I can hardly wait to answer the Phone by saying Hello Kinsey Distillery a Division of Continental Distilling a Part of Publicker Industries!

I all ready have the regular wall phone from warehouse M a 1940 hanging in my living room and I got my friend to rewire it.

I was just amazed that they got it for me the only thing that is not perfect is a piece is broken out at the bottom from the cast where the receiver wire comes out.

This is a awesome thing to have and will someday go to a museum somewhere, I have that written in my will about my Distillery stuff to make sure.
Dave Z
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Pieface
03-27-2009, 01:12
Hi Dave,

I haven't posted in any of these threads before as I don't really have anything constructive to add. I just thought I would say my thank you for taking the time to take these photos and share them. I can only imagine that it is difficult to watch a place that you obviously care so much for fading away.

Please make sure your images are backed up well so a computer glitch doesn't rob you of all this history. Stay safe out there and keep them coming as they are enjoyed.

Cheers,
Morgan :)

dave ziegler
03-27-2009, 11:20
Thank You Morgan I reaaly enjoy talking about the Company and its people. Tonight A friend is supposed to wire my Explosion proof Phone so I can use it. At work today another friend made a box to sit it in. I did some research at work today and now have a list of "Aliases used By Kinsey Distillery during the pre Pro time By Mr Kinsey tonight I will scan them and put them on. They come from a pre Prohibition Web site they also show my information was right about Angelo Myers name being used there to market Mr Kinsey's Whiskey's. One of the early Aliases-- was--- " Longaker & Kinsey".
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-28-2009, 04:27
Here are the Lists I researched on the web of Aliases Names used by Mr Kinsey before Prohibition to sell his Whiskeys. When He reopened it at 75 yrs old after Prohibition was over He used only his own name till he went Bankrupt in fall of 1939.

As It states and I have said many times Mr Jacob G Kinesy was the only owner and the builder of Kinsey Distillery till it was sold to Continental Distilling sometime in 1940 by silent auction.

His Great nephew Al Landis said even at 75 yrs Old Mr Kinsey never gave up on his Distillery and when at 75 Most people would just want to take it easy He wanted to reopen and make Kinsey a success asking Al Landis and Al's Dad Horace as master Distiller to work for him He also Later Hired my Friend Ludy in 1936.

Al's Father Horace went on to Be Continental Distillings master Distiller for all the time the Kinsey DSP -pa 12 & Dsp-pa 10 ran under the Continental name sometime in 1951 from what I can find.
Then in 1964 was personally sent By Mr Neuman over to Scotland to help set up the continous and Pot still's built there in the training of Distillers and how to run them.

Al Told me last spring that His Dad Horace and Mr Si Neuman were very good friends and Mr Neuman wanted his fathers experiance as master Distiller to be used to train the Men who would run his Inver House Distillery many years at great success!
Al said they always called His great Uncle Jake Kinsey Pop and he has many fond memories of Mr Kinsey who he has told me was a wonderful Man!

Jacob G Kinsey died sometime around 1952 at age 94 The Kinsey Distillery closed for all operations in the year 1986 and was founded in 1892 making its yrs of opeartion 94 yrs!
Here are the printed sheets with the Aliase names
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dave ziegler
03-29-2009, 08:32
Here is a piece of Paper work that I found a few months ago dated 1974 when they put the bigger tank in Warehouse P where my Explosion proof phone came from! Also two pictures of the two never put together Cases I found in P Building and put together for my collection.
1. Paper work about the tankage I have pictures of a couple of days ago posted on #441

2&3. The two vintage Whiskey cases Glen Flagler & Pinwinnie Scotch from Inver House division of Continental Distilling.

Also My Explosion proof Phone Pictures Posted on #443 is now hooked up in the Living room next to my Collection. It works except for the Bell which does not ring but I have other phones that ring so not a problem. Its cool having it working that I can call someone with it.

I may take a walk To Kinsey today it depends on how the weather is if it clears up.
Dave Z
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mozilla
03-29-2009, 09:39
I really like the Pinwinnie box. It is as original as the bottle and packaging.

dave ziegler
03-30-2009, 02:33
Jeff Every Bottle even the 1/10 came with a Fancy box for each bottle a Purple Bag a Brass Medal and an owners manual. I have a couple of Mini's with their little box and the Bag Ludy gave me. I also Have a little owners manual that I found in the Plant and I was able to buy the Brass Medalion on Line to make my collection complete.

I would have loved to have gotten into Kinsey before the Kids smashed some surviving Pinwinnie Green rocker bottles but I found about 3 of them smashed to pieces a couple of years ago.

My Buddy Don found one of the Brass medalions on the floor where the bottles were smashed about 2 yrs ago.

I am always looking for a full unbroken Pinwinnie Rocker Bottle from the company but have never seen any yet. On line or anywhere!
My Explosion proof Phone works good but does not ring which is no big deal as I have plenty of other phones that ring to let me know.

I guess I am the only Person crazy enough to have such a phone to use and I have it right next to my Distillery collection so it fits perfectly. I took a walk around Kinsey for about an Hour and found another different Glen Flag Ler Scotch Case not put together I got it and one for my Buddy Don and I will put them together at work today.

I called my friends to let them know some of the buildings were ripped open again and He told me a bunch of Kids with Paint Ball guns were walking in the front and He called the cops but did not know if they would come. I hope they did not ruin anything else as I just Hate the way the place is going down.

I am going to look through the many pieces of Paper work I have gotten through the yrs and see what else I have of Interest to post. I did not relise I had the paper about the tanks in Warehouse P that I posted pictures of on #441 till yesterday morning when I was looking through my Label collection and found the paper there. My Phone was in a small office built into the wall in the fenced in Tank section of Warehouse P.
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dave ziegler
04-01-2009, 04:09
I offten now that I am getting older think about all the guys I worked with at Kinsey Back in the day. I always Liked Shorty Tyson he was a very nice person and I will never forget my friend Frank Kurtas Both in Plant Maintaince who fixed my 1963 chevy for free for me when I broke down at work. They were like family
Then once I went into the warehouse gang there was Old John S. who needed me to get him Neutrols every morning for him to stop shaking and then whiskey and then he would get nuts and be mad and work then end of the day I would make sure he did not get locked in one of the warehouses and help him walk out alot of times. He never ate his lunch and his wife made him great lunches which he gave to me.

I had thought he was dead for many years and then one day about 8 yrs ago I was at my Ulser Doctor for a checkup and He walked into the waiting room to wait to see the heart doctor and he looked great. I said John your still around he said yeh I quit drinking about 20 yrs ago and don't shake or anything I was just a person who could not handle drinking. He died about 3 or 4 yrs ago in his late 80's.
I was amazed and happy for him and his wife and family.

Then there was George when I worked in the yard gang he was a piece of work and I called him the Dandy man because on Fridays he would go to the Farmers market in Pay Day pants with little stars and stuff sewn on by his wife.
One time I saw him there and I said whats with the pants he said these are my dandy pants I go all out when friday comes we live it up get a Sausge Sandwich and fries here and shop a big night out.
So from that day on I called him Dandy man, at work he just wore regular Pay Day overalls.

He would always get loads of Cinders from the Boiler room and I wondered why till one day he was showing one of the Goverment men Jack some pictures of his farm and I looked and there was one of the Explosion proof green Light hoods and fittings on his Garage light I said George that looks like one of ours here he quickly said heres the next picture and I walked away laughing and now knowing why all the cinders!

And of course there was always my Buddy Charlie Seipler and his 100 Horse Power Flathead Ford on a model -A -frame with no windshield or fenders or hood. Just an old Chair bolted on for him to sit, all built by Dickie Pfieher for him to use to do his building maintaince work and a home made pickup bed of wood on the back every Morning you would hear him reving up and out he would come from the bottom of the Grain drying Building smashing second gear as he turned to come out side ways behind the grain silo and around wheels spinning he would hit high gear once he got on the road and disapear with smoke blowing out of his pipe.

These are just a few of the great people I remember so well from the days of a 19 year old Kid working his first real Good job.
Dave Z
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Jono
04-01-2009, 09:21
Are there any old company photos of the employees as a group? In the old days, railroad pictures especially, would show the maintence crews posed in front of an engine etc.

dave ziegler
04-01-2009, 09:57
The Historic Society Has a Picture of the plant workers loading grain in a Box car after WWII for the Starving People in Russia which was donated to help those with nothing to eat after the war by Publicker and I hope to have some pictures in the plant in Lifield and Phila once I talk to my Friend from the Company in the spring, I am always looking and when I get something will post it.
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dave ziegler
04-02-2009, 02:28
Well My Explosion Proof Phone is now operational and mounted. A friend at work in the shipping dept built me a wood box to mount it on so it is safe sitting on the counter. It also has a little top to set my small caller ID with call waiting so I now most likely am the only person crazy enough to have an Explosion Proof phone from the 1940's with caller ID and waiting hooked to it, and to use it.
Here is a picture of the Phone in its case!

This morning I was thinking of my old Boss in the Yard gang John Zuber he was a good guy and never gave me Hell for anything and I am sure at 19 yrs old there were times.
Many times after a hard day mowing and cleaning He would say lets get a load of trash to take to the dump. We would go get some trash in the old 1951 Ford Pickup then he would get out and say well go down to the dump it is 2:43 you most likely won't get back till about 3:20 take your time.

Well I would get the load pushed off in no time and just sit there which was what he was doing for me giving me a break where no one could see.

He was a good boss all you had to do was just do your days work and He would take care of you. And when I was bumped out I was sad because I really liked working in the yard gang.

But the warehouse Job was good and even paid more. We Had one guy Jim it would never fail we would be taking break in the little Break room and He would sit on the toilet eating and going during Break I always thought what a weird place to eat!

We were always busy at Kinsey and Mr Neuman would drive in to look around in his Bentley a couple times a month and It is still hard for me to believe what I see when I go there now in my wildest dreams I never thought the place would be gone and no more Old Hickory or any of our great products
But being Older I relise things always change and not always for the better!
Dave Z
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Jono
04-02-2009, 09:55
Did Mr. Neuman speak with the employees? Was he approachable?
Did he ask questions?

dave ziegler
04-02-2009, 16:31
Yes Ludy told me of one time he had his driver stop at The Bottling house maintaince door and he went in and spoke to Ludy! He always tried to keep a low profile he did not want anyone to think He thought he was any better then anyone else. And he was good friends with Al Landis's father Horace who was master Distiller at Kinsey on Old Dsp-Pa 12.

He liked him so much that when the stills in Scotland were going to open He paid for him to go there and help set them up and train people right. He took pride in People who worked Hard and were good at the things they did.

He always said and I am "quoting my Friend that was a Ex at Publicker"
that he felt without good People to do his ideas they would not get done and to Have good People you have to pay them good! He said what good are my Idea's no matter how great if I do not have the right people to do them.

Those days were good days we all got along with a common goal to Make the Best whiskeys at prices regular people could aford. Working at Kinsey was wonderful and not at all like job's today where all that matters is Money quick at any cost!
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dave ziegler
04-03-2009, 02:24
When I started at Kinsey it was an exciting time there as the new Bottling house had opened up the Old Kinsey Liquor Bottle house was running and there were no layoffs but instead alots of people hired.

When I started there I had a 1954 Chevy and Then I bought a 1955 Chevy Hard top and fixed it all up. Later I would buy my 1963 chev Bel Air stick on the colume first car I ever got a loan for and finally the fastest car I ever owned my 1967 Grand Sport Buick 425 Horse power 4 speed Hurst shifter because working at Kinsey I made good money and had a good job with vacation and Health Insurace I was very blessed.

After I left Kinsey because a neighbor talked me into working for him a Job that was one of the worst I ever had I wished I had never Left Kinsey, I tried to get back but they were not hiring and so that was it.

It is always very Hard even after all these years to go there and see it in ruin. I always lement why couldent someone good have bought the place instead of this slum Landlaord guy who lets it rot and who after Continental went under after He raised their Lease prices, just shut everything Off Boilers sprinklers and electric and Fired anyone there who worked for him and left it go to ruin.

It was and still is the most Historic Company in all of Limerick Township and for better then 75 yrs of its running was the biggest employer in Montgomery County.

When I left late in 1971 it was in perfect shape and up till early 1982 when they sold it to him for capital to reopen the bottling house as an industrial bottling plant and lease the tanks and buildings they needed to everything was sprinkled and had power. It was Him that basicly Murdered the Kinsey Plant just shut it down walked away and went back to NY for good.

I just wish someone would have steped in back in yr 2000 when the still was standing yet and bought the place and made the front buildings into a living History museum. But no He let some people take an option to buy they went in said they were going to fix the place and all they did till they walked away from the option to buy was steal metal and copper and knock down Old Dsp-Pa 12.

I all but cried when I saw the still was gone and that I could not get any pictures of it thankfully yrs ago I found the couple pictures I have of it on the web the day after they disapeared forever.

That is why I take all the different shots I can for the memory of Kinsey and all the people that worked there.

I hope that the stuff I put here can give you an idea of those days and what Kinsey was like and what it was like working for Publicker Industries.
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dave ziegler
04-05-2009, 17:13
Here are some more Pictures I took on Sunday April 5 at the plant!
1. Warehouse H looking from 1966 Bottling house
2. Looking up from lower floor to second floor of old Kinsey bottling house
3. & 4. Front of Old Bottling house near road
5. Another shot of Old kinsey Bottle house near road
6. Brick and wood warehouse E shared a wall with warehouse D
7. thru 10. Warehouse D insideincluding ladder I had to climb up to go to upper levels to roll barrels.
11.Writting on wall in warehouse N says 1951
12. Electric switches on wall inside Warehouse N
13. thru 17. An Old Barrel Lift in warehouse N there are 3 of them sitting in this building on the first floor. I remember using them well!
I always get a strange feeling seeing the place in ruin I loved working there I loved our Products and I hate seeing it like this. It is like losing a family Member seeing it like this.
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dave ziegler
04-07-2009, 09:44
I have lately been Talking to Thomas McKenzie who is the Master Distiller for a new small Distillery in Finger Lakes NY. "Finger Lakes Distilling Company. He is a member of this site and wrote me about the old Barrel Lifts at Kinsey and He was very interested in making a new Peanut Liquor I sent him a sample and He said everyone tried it and really liked it. So He saved some to get a lab test done and also to taste it against what he makes to compare to get the best of how it was made to make a new version of His own.

He said everything I said about Peanut Lolita was true it is full of good Bourbon flavor and then the roasted peanut flavor comes at you. Also I sent him about 1 1/2 shots of Old Hickory and He said its really good and the ownly Modern Bourbon that seems near he has had is 4 Roses Yellow Label. This was the 80 proof that I got from Jazz Head and was distilled right before the company gave up.

I will keep you posted on the Peanut Liquor as I know there are many on this site that would like to give Peanut Liquor a try and if he can come of with something close would be awesome.

Their web site is www.fingerlakesdistilling.com (http://www.fingerlakesdistilling.com)

They are just starting to to operate fully and Thomas was looking to make something special in a Liquor and then he read my writings about Peanut Lolita so I gave him a call and sent him about 80ML + of it to test and try.

He is hoping to get a few things from my friends that watch Kinsey and he needs a good Barrel stacker and the ones there are as strong as you can get.

Now if I could Find a Big Distiller to buy the name and recreat Old Hickory the right way that would even be better. Thomas said of the Old Hickory It was a delightful Bourbon -----Which fits with our Old slogan
About - Old Hickory Being America's Most Magnificent Bourbon-
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Jono
04-07-2009, 12:07
That is terrific Dave and Thomas.....good luck to all in your new distilling efforts.

dave ziegler
04-07-2009, 12:31
Jono and everyone I am most excited about the chance to see someone making Peanut Liquor and I told Thomas there will be I'm sure many on here that will give it a try as a mixer or just straight with or with out Ice. It is something I look forward to seeing and I hope it sells by the tons for Him!

He plans to make the way we did using Good Bourbon with the Peanut flavor no Brandy or the other stuff they use so offten.

I wanted to share their site and this good news so lets hope He can come up with a great Bourbon recipy to recreate its flavor.
Dave
Why Not A Peanut Lolita tonight?

Jono
04-07-2009, 19:06
Is anybody alive who knows how it was made? Would that have been in Philly?

dave ziegler
04-08-2009, 06:09
I do not know who did the blending Of Liquors there but the making of the Peanut and all liquors was done in the Old Kinsey post Prohibition Bottling House there are still old vats and mixers sitting on the first floor and the way it worked there were 3 lines running front toward the road the middle line was almost always used for caffe Lolita Liquor one of my Pictures shows a caffe Lolita label on the piler where the line was as it was a giant seller.
And the other two could be used for Amareto Lolita and Peanut Lolita and Continental Ainsett and our other products of that type and also we did many lots of Liquors for Jacquins in there.

Even when whiskey was bottled in Phila at Bigler street the Old Bottle house did liquor for most of the time the company operated, it was an ideal little place to make Liquors!

I thinK even our Continental Black Berry Brandy was done in the old Bottle house for a while on the Phillip Singer Bottle machines. All Whiskeys and Gins, Vodka & Rums where done in the Big 1966 Bottling House plus contract work for Seagrams and others!

The Lines if you look back at my pictures of the Old Bottle House ran out toward the road the back room would have ladies packing them back in cases full and alot of the bottles were hand labled there at the end of the line. The new bottles and boxes came down through a trap door in the ceiling and the whiskey used was dumped in a trough which I have taken pictures of that is laying under what was the separte second floor side part explosion proof setup seperate from the rest of the second floor to dump whiskey needed.

When the cases were full they were moved on pallet by hand to the trap door lifted with a lift up through the trap door to the second floor there was a large set of doors where the pallet would be put and a fork truck would pick them up and take them to shipping when I worked there .

At a time before the front drive way was changed there is an old dock at the front doors where when Kinsey operated the Plant they would ship out at it.

I also a couple of pages back put some shots of the old front Bottle house dock. Page 46 #457 #3 through 5 Old Front Dock.
You could in a pinch get there with a small truck to get stuff too!

I always feel so dam bad when I see the old bottle House in Ruin and the reason it is in ruin is that when the People who were supposed to be fixing the place on opion to buy and build a propane Electric Plant there from the owner were burning Metal caught a tree on fire and the fire went on the roof and when it was put out it held for many years till this winter when snow on it brought it down. The fire is also the reason the old Company office that Kinsey built is just a pile of bricks.

I just feel so mad when I think how they never planed to fix the place just steal metal and knock down the still for metal all under the story they wanted to build a propane Electric plant there and were waiting for aproval which they knew they would never get from people who live near so they stole all they could opened doors on all the upper floors of the warehouses so they could see to cut all the pipes out telling the township they were fixing the place.

I have no time for people running companys like that, and when they took the heat lines down they put asbestos in bags and left it behind. The guys got someone who handles those things to take the Asbestos away safely as directed once the Owner found out after they abandon their so called project.

Poor Kinsey Once Si Neuman died continental Died and Kinsey died.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-11-2009, 18:46
I am looking forward to Spring and meeting the man who was a top Ex at Publicker.Once I talk to him I will put a name on here for him. I have had Fricky make me up a Barrel Stave from warehouse H with The Mans name and Publicker / Continental Distilling on it . I am going to give it to him once I meet Him.

What I am really looking forward to is getting to hear as much as I can about the operations of Publicker and the building of the Explosion Proof warehouses at Kinsey and looking forward to seeing all the Industrial Pictures of the plants he has told me about.

He has told me he has hundreds of pictures of the Phila Plant and other operations. He knows so much more then I do! I am going to try and call him tomorrow as have not talked to him for a month.

I am going to go over to the plant after I go to early Church tomorrow as I need a switch for one of the last two Explosion proof switch sets I have made up.
I am most fortunet to have a friend in electrical Maintaince who is building the last two of my living history Lighting Switch sets. I have all the parts except for one switch.

When I was there on Friday there was no one around. I just no matter how many times I go there can not believe the ruin it is in! It was always so well taken care of and everything lit up at night it just seems weird to me. I wish I could go back in time and bring it back and move
on quickly to keep it going. Seeing it is like watching an old friend die.

I went to see Ludy today he is working his way to 91 years old on 9/12/09. He was of good cheer and I enjoyed listening to him tell me about Kinsey in the Mid 1930's. I took him a picture of the plant he lent me blown up to see the #12 still and the other front buildings only.

Ludy was very Happy I gave him the picture and we talked for a good Hour +. I just hope everything works out and I can meet the Exc. and give him a tour of what is left of the place.

I never get tired of writting about what it was like working there. Kinsey was filled with lots of Peaceful hard working people and its 94 yrs of Operation is a testiment to its great History.

Dave Z
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fishnbowljoe
04-13-2009, 15:14
Dave, It's great you found someone interested in making the peanut liquor. I sure hope it works out. Joe

dave ziegler
04-13-2009, 15:51
Joe speaking about the Peanut Lolita I am sending a 750 ML. of it down with Fricky and Bourbon Joe for anyone who wants to give it a try at the bourbon Social.

I hope that anyone tasting it would give their thoughts on it once they try it!

I sure hope the Distiller From NY can come up with a good Peanut Liqour I love it all kinds of ways and Just finished a bottle tonight. He told me he was going to have it checked at a Lab in Ca.

I Had today off for vaction and took a little walk in Kinsey and came home with the top part of a Explosion proof light and I mounted the globe tonight. It came from the sealing of the old Kinsey Bottle house and I now have the Bulb,globe and hanging fixture. I will post a picture soon here.

Last Night I talked to my friend from Publicker but he does not want me to use his name however he is going to give me acess to hundreds of Industrial pictures of the Publicker site back from the 1940's and on. He said this summer I will spend days looking at Pictures.

He took my Home number to make sure he had it right to call me when He does get to Pa. I have dreamed of posting Pictures of the Continental / Publicker Phila site and it will be a dream come true. I will keep everyone posted on what is Happening!
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dave ziegler
04-14-2009, 06:17
Just a note on The Fate of Guckenheimer that has been talked about! In the mid to late 1970's after American distilling quit the Drinking Alcohol Bussiness to make Gasahol Continental Bought the Guckenheimer Brand as it was made in a blended form from American with the Stillbrook and Colonial Gin brands and also the Bourbon Supreme Label and canadian Host.

I found several broken and trashed Guckenheimer Boxes in Warehouse R but they were beyond fixing up. I did see a couple of Bourbon Supreme ones. And the Boxes on some say distilled in Pekin IL bottled at DSP-Pa-12 Linfield pa. Others say Distilled at DSP-Pa-1 Phila bottled DSP-pa-12 Linfield pa and I was able to save a Bourbon Supreme Box for my collection.

Also I am fairly Sure that one of the top People At American Distilling was Phillip Publicker who I am fairly Sure was the brother of Harry Publicker, the founder of Publicker Industries and father inlaw of Si Neuman.

I am really looking forward to meeting My friend who was one of the most important People At Publicker He does not wish his name to be put out in Public but I can tell you he was a right hand man to Si Neuman and was very close to Him!

I wish everytime I go to Kinsey That I could save it and My Friend told me it is going to be very Hard for him to see it in ruin but He wants to walk through and remember it from his days of youth and how beautiful it was.

I am sure he will be able to tell me so much. He told me it will take many days for me to look through his pictures of the Phila plant & Kinsey he said he has boxes of pictures in operation. I also have to help him with some things he wants to give to Museums in pa.

I hope I get some feed back from those of you reading here and going to the Social about the peanut Lolita I am sending with Fricky & Bourbon Joe and I talked to the master Distiller at Finger Lakes last night and he is working on a small batch right now. I also told him that my friend Told me that Jock Lerux was the person that Continental paid to formualate their Liqours.

I do not Know if Mr Lerux is living but if he is Thomas the Master Distiller at Finger lakes is going to try and talk to him to try and make a liquor as close as he can to the original! My Friend was excited about it being made again and I told Thomas that!
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fricky
04-14-2009, 06:57
Dave,
As you probably know, brandy and cordials are produced and bottled by Leroux & Co., Cincinnati, OH. Is or was the Leroux mentioned by your friend connected to that endeavor?
Doug

mozilla
04-14-2009, 07:08
Wasn't Leroux the brand that lead Beam to buy National Distillers?

dave ziegler
04-16-2009, 02:55
I am always amazed when I go to Kinsey and see all the things that were left behind. When My Friends let me pick out two barrels for me and Fricky there were about 47 good barrels left in the building after all these years! I picked out the two best ones I could find.

While in there they showed and a large stump Filter with the bag type filter still in it and old whiskey in there that had not evaportated yet after 30 yrs sitting there. It was about 1/2 full.

Also it is sad to think that in the one warehouse there was at one time Pallets to the roof 22ft high filled with whiskeys and Liqours that people went into and set fire to around my guess 15 yrs ago as when I saw the remains yrs later there was no smoke smell but it would have taken years for that to clear out of the building as poor air flow. Everything was black and destroyed. Yet the Building is fine it just burned till it went out and the only damage to the building is a few of the inside layer of bricks cracked a little but very little a tribute to the how well they are built.

Young Poeple going there destroying things is the worst part as they just go there to break things for fun. That is all the more reason I try to save what I can. I have chased a few of them off while there and some who are behaveing I will take around and explain things.

There were remains of Whiskey, wine we marketed called Haller's Ros'e and Liqours. All had been tax paid stuff that no one would buy when they closed and the government would not refund any monies paid in tax!

I know because I found some papers that had them asking for a reduction so they could find some one to sell them to. This is the sad end of Continental & Kinsey due to people taking over the company and losing site to what made the company great and the ruin that came upon the company. Closing that fatefull day in 1986 forever with Peoples Lunches still sitting there never to be eaten and whiskeys never to be drank and the greatest most prolic maker of Alcohol gone forever.

All because there was no one with great idea's after Mr Neuman died to come in and save them!
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dave ziegler
04-20-2009, 09:11
Sunday Afternoon I decided to go for a walk at Kinsey it was a nice day and wanted to just go there! I saw a family walking way out in front of me taking Pictures and exploring and I also saw lots of the buildings ripped open by the younger people who always do that. I saw that O building was open which is the old Government Building and found some old Paper work from 1959 about water testing and brought it and another paper home dated 1959 a small blue print of when they built the water Deionizer set up in O building.

Also an old Hazardous material shipping marking and labeling Inter office Communication from Dec17,1976.

It was sent to Mr Bill Theodosis who was plant manager then till the mid 1960's when at his late 30's he died of a heart attack, Just around the time I started there. I went into O building and found lots of Our Patented promotional Whiskey Pourers which work great they fit different sizes of Bottles and when you are done you just pull them out and cap your Bottle no spilling of Liqour pouring.

I got on my Knees and picked up 40 of them which I have washed and I am going to try and send them down to the Bourbon social with Fricky to be given out to. Also I got on my knees and picked up about 40 Coldstream British Gin sale bottle toppers. which if I can meet up with him I will send to be given out. We always had neat things to be given to customers for Promotion and they were most times very inavative!

I also found some better covers for my lighted power strips while there and hope to get back soon. I am sending a full bottle of Peanut Lolita Liquor with Fricky for anyone who wants to try and hoping for some feed back. I have yet to have anyone who did not like it!
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dave ziegler
04-21-2009, 03:52
Well for anyone going to the Social There will be free 1960's/1970's Patented Continental Distilling Pourers and 30 yr old Vintage Coldstream British Gin Bottle diplay toppers as I was able to meet Fricky Yesterday after Work and give them to him to give out with the Skol Vodka Labels I gave him to give out too! And a Full 32 yr old Bottle of Peanut Lolita liquor to taste! Working For Publicker it seemed they always had something neat to give to customers and Liquor Stores for them and their Patrons!

These Pourer's work very well if you have a bottle out you are drinking and when done just pop them out and cap your bottle, they are made to fit different Sizes as they have little ribs that get bigger as they go up they are cone shapped and I use one all the time saves you from seeing your Bourbon drip on the table!

The Bottle toppers were used at the Liquor store to show the price of Product and Coldstream was Our Biggest selling Gin!
I remember Well the tops of the cases Of Skol Vodka saying "Don't Say Vodka Just Say Skol"
We had so many slogans for our Products and untill Mr Neuman Died we were one of the most Inavantive Companys around in those days.
Everytime I go back to Kinsey I just can't Believe it has come to such an end.

I hope by the next time you have a Social in the fall to have some other Publicker goodies to send down because there is no better way to save History then to give out vintage stuff from there to people who will pass it on some day to someone else so it is always worth my going and getting on my Knees or climbing whatever to save things for History.

Fricky Also Has a set of Uncut Tax strips to give to the Getz from me for history and I have through the yrs shipped them 13 bottles and other things and I hope to send some good stuff down in the fall to them!

It seems anymore that I am the last person to write about pa Distillerys and I will keep Publicker/ Continental Distilling and Kinsey Alive while I am here to do it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-22-2009, 06:30
One of the Most looked forward to things I want to do this spring and Summer is to meet My Friend who was a top person for Publicker and Knew Si Neuman as well as anyone Knew him. I am very hopeful to see Lots of Industrial pictures of Kinsey Besides the Phila Plant and look forward to borrowing them and doing some picture Posting of these one of a Kind Industrial Pictures He has told me about.

As you Know well I am most Proud to have worked For Publicker Industries and it excites me to think I may get to see many one of a kind Photos of both plants!

Everytime I walk there I lement on how sad it is to see it the way it has gotten. For When I worked there it was the most wonderful of places to work and a Very Beautiful Place with its trees and gardens and well kept old Buildings! Mr Si Neuman made sure they kept the place well and He would ride through every Month to check things out. Lawns better be neat and weeds free and Buildings better be clean and safe back in those days.

When I would ride down to Atlantic City back then on a vacation in my 1963 Chevy when I went over the Walt wittman bridge I would be so proud to see the Old Hickory Neon on the stack I would Think Wow I work for them!
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dave ziegler
04-24-2009, 11:02
Yesterday I had to go into work an hour early to do something and got done an hour early so I took a walk through Kinsey and got something I needed for my Last Explosion proof Pilot light set. I got a double box and two nice pilot lights from Warehouse R.

I have on my Desk besides two sets of lighting switchs and pilot light sets a Large 5x5x31/2 high Explosion Proof Throw switch box I got from Warehouse #38 I now have all I will need to wire and make it light the pilot lights I got.
My Friend Paul the company Electrician is going to wire it for me Monday and then I will post a picture of my Desk with the Pilot lights all lit.

I have since having to take my Beer can collection home made my Office a sort of 1940's/50's set up and Have brought in my Old model cars I built when I was young. I have them and the explosion proof Lights on my dsek now with a large barrel Stave that Fricky made up for me with my years of Service and the dates at Kinsey!

I will post a picture here of the desk with switchs and Barrel stave and background pictures of Kinsey.

To tell you the truth I like this stuff better then the beer cans I do not miss them, home sitting boxed up in basement.

No matter how many times I go to kinsey I always have to look hard when I walk in as just does not seem possible that there is nothing going on there no security guys no one! It just does not after all these Years seem it could be that way but it is. I scarced a young guy up to something off when I walked in wearing my Security Hat, he went running out!

As Long as it is there I will go back to save things for History and will write about it as long as I can. Like The song from my Youth said

" Those Were The Days My Friend We Thought They'd never End"
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Jono
04-24-2009, 12:24
Dave, you are doing what you can to keep it alive....at least in a fashion. Think of how many people now know something about a distillery most of us had not heard of and the impact on the distilling history in this country.
It may be a "dead" place...easing into disintegration...but it lives on virtually.
The local library / museum will have much to display. Who knows, there could be a small revival someday if anyone took an interest in making PA whiskey again.

dave ziegler
04-26-2009, 18:14
Many Thanks for the Kind words Jono I went to Kinsey today at 8:30-AM till 12:30-Pm. I took alot of pictures as people had ripped open all the warehouses.
I posted some new ones from the roof of the Old Warehouse Q of the Fire Observation room on that thread this afternoon and now going to post other pictures I took.
1. Shot from window on front staircase of Warehouse J of the two 1/2 million gal tanks
2. Fork lift truck in warehouse S
3. Looking down toward warehouse R
4. Electric Boxes on wall first floor Warehouse Q
5. Sign in stair well Warehouse Q fire tower warehouse
6. & 7. Dump trough warehouse #38
8. Exlopsion prrof Elevator warehouse Q
9. another shot of the dump trough in warehouse #38
10. thru 15. Barrels sitting in warehouse C where I got me and Fricky our two Barrels.
16. The Stump whiskey Filter warehouse C
17. Whiskey still sitting in filter housing Warehouse C
18. Tank in Warehouse C
19. thru 21. I think the last surviving 120 gallon I think Large whiskey Barrel top head fallen in warehouse C

It is always so unreal when I go to Kinsey as I walk in I expect security to drive up and to see trucks roaring around and people everywhere and all I saw were Hawks flying around crowing!

If like me you would have worked there you too would wonder WHY_!
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dave ziegler
04-28-2009, 05:39
When I revisited Warehouse C Sunday morning I was amazed at how many Barrels are still there and in Good Shape. When my friends let me in took pick out a barrel for Fricky and me I was just looking to find the two nicest tightest ones I could find and did not really take in how many there were.

Also I did not see the 120 Gal Barrel the only one I have seen that exsists in the plant. And If you could have seen the Hoop down back last Summer when I took Fricky and Phils fan in you would have been amazed at its size it was for our 320 Gal Barrles. They were Short and very fat and besides being of white Oak and charred they had charred Strips of White Oak put in them also!

They were Hell to move on the pile and the 120 were certainly not easy to move either. We would use the Lift to stack them and about or 4 People would work them standing on the piles of Aging Whiskey Barrels. I will never Know why they got the Idea to do away with the racks but they did and no original Steel racks exsist in the plant!

Every Time I go back to Kinsey I find something Exciting to look at or bring Home and I feel blessed that I can tell about the Company and its legacy in pa for Fine Spirits and a great place to work.

I have no Idea if any of the now operating Distillerys have ever had flower Beds and trees and perfect lawns as we did then but If you could go back in time you would feel like you walked into a beautiful Park and Wild Life reserve going in there back then!

I was also amazed at how many old Electric Fork trucks still sit in the warehouses and all the never used bottles even though people keep coming in and smashing them.
It makes me sick and I do whatever I can to stop them when I catch them!
Dave Z
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Jono
04-28-2009, 09:05
Those barrels certainly could have been sold off....what a waste.
All of the glass could be recycled....if not sold....somebody else could have put their own labels on them.
Just think.....2,000 yrs from now some archeologist (assuming mankind still lives!) will be digging and will unearth ancient bottles and the foundations of an ancient human habitation of some sort. I suppose whiskey will never go away....it may be made differently...probably ala Jetson's / Star Trek...push a button and a computer "creates" the product.

dave ziegler
04-29-2009, 06:08
This is why I try to save every Type of Old case I can from there I just brought home a nice Old Hickory Quart Bottle case that was date stamped 11-6-62. The Company always tried to keep stock looking to use it some day but one of the Big Problems they had was the switching to Metric Sized Bottles after buying many years of Bottle stock through the years.

When they moved the bottle house to Linfield in the Kinsey Plant they shipped up old Bottles and other stuff too! The 1962 dated case would have been from Phila. I found a smashed case of Crafes dated 1951 in one of the warehouses that young people destroyed. To top it off they had been full as had BIB tax strips on them when the Young People smashed them what a waste Old Hickory 100 proof BIB.

I also found papers where they were trying hard to sell Bottle stock and Whiskey and could not get many to buy some when they quit bottling Spirits. So they moved them to the warehouses in Hope they could move them later.

Mr Medley Bought Whiskey labels and Bottles and full bottles from us back in late 1979 early 1980's. But even the Government would not help by refunding taxes so they could sell the bottled stuff and let the buyer pay the tax so it sat tax paid and got burned up by People looking to destroy things many years ago.

Such is the sad End of Kinsey and Publicker!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-30-2009, 06:20
After Work Weds I went for a walk at Kinsey again I found a brand new Appleton electric Box and A pilot light which I brought home to save and my friend at work is making me one more Powered Explosion Proof Display unit. I wish I had millions of Dollars I would buy Kinsey and get it all fixed up but That is just dreaming.

In my older Years I have learned what we all do, when we get older Things are never the same and you must savor the moments as they do not come back! Kinsey was a one of a Kind Distillery in its products and its Beauty I doubt there has ever been a Distillery as Beautiful as Kinsey was the Years Publicker ran and owned it!

I always enjoyed being in the yard gang although it had its moments. Like the time we swept the Fire escape stairwells from top to bottom and they were full of dead pidgeons! And unloading the Coal cars at the Boiler Room area. But we had a very Good Boss in John Zuber and he made up for the bad things by not pushing us too hard.

I loved driving the old 1951 Ford pickup around the plant and it really ran good. The Summer was the best time in the Yard Gang as we traveled all the way through the plant triming and mowing lawns mulched Trees and fixed flower beds. I wish I had a picture of the plant in early Spring it was ablaze with Flowers and bright green grass.

Dozens of Pheasants Flying around and deer walking behind the Warehouses. And my favorite thing which was going on there yesterday Cool breezes coming up from the River through the Plant.
The beauty of the plant made coming to work a joy. Mr Si Neuman Loved the Kinsey Distillery and before He died There was much talk of building a brand new still there and I believe if he would not have died so sudenly many good things would have happened there, and He would never Have sold it to Someone like the Person who ownes it now and lets it Rot!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-05-2009, 06:31
From back when I worked for Publicker one of the best things they had going besides making great Bourbons and Whiskeys was that they kept the Prices right so you could aford them. An example is Old Hickory which was around $5.95 for a fifth and it was available in most of the USA and oversea's. With the Old Lemont ILL bottle house cranking bottles out to go out west I remember traveling and seeing it everywhere!

It seems so unreal for Old Hickory not to be made anymore to me as back in the day it was the Largest selling Bourbon around. We Had 80 proof, 86 proof and BIB 100 Old Hickory and the youngest was 6 years old with versions in 8yrs, 10yrs and a 20 year aniversary version of it.

I hope in the future to find some more Old Hickory in someones not used Liquor cabinet. Or somewhere. Old Hickory will always be my favorite Bourbon.

I hope that someone some day will buy the brand and make a premuim Bourbon again for this great Whiskey Brand! I Did not get to Kinsey this week but hope to Sat or Sunday.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-11-2009, 09:27
Well Yesterday I took my normal Sunday walk through Kinsey and also got the parts I needed to make Explosion proof switch & Pilot light setups for Fricky and my Buddy Don. My friend at work Paul is wiring them for me plus one last one for me. This project is now complete and I will soon post pictures of the 7 sets I have in my office all parts from the distillery and even some have 50 yr old Bulbs from the plant in them.

While there I routed through some paper work which I will look through tonight if I feel better as I have a very bad Prostrate infection and everything hurts bad.

I was in about 4 of the buildings and took a couple of Pictures of cases of Bottles falling over in Warehouse R after sitting stacked for 30 yrs.
It is really sureal for me every time I go there as it all just does not seem possible. But Kinsey like many other things is now just a place where everything is old and ruined and out of date.

I found my friend at work the last Pinwinnie card board Whiskey case there that was new and never put together and made it up and gave it to him with a nice Philadelphia Blended Whiskey Trade show bottle for this round of his help wiring the switches.

It was a very windy day and some of the sounds you hread if you did not know the place would be scary. Doors to the roof wide open slaming open and shut moaning strange sounds coming through the buildings broken stairwells windows. Even the Elevator fire door in warehouse I shaking and sounding weird.

It was a most beautiful day on Sunday and the river breezes were blowing up through the plant, and like in old times made it a very Pleasant place to be. It was cold in the buildings and they are getting so bad that I fear no one will ever use them for anything again. I could almost feel the Distillery crying saying woe is me for no one wants or needs me or even remembers me.

And I felt very Sad and wished I could return her to the glory that she once had as America's Most Beautiful Distillery. Such is life things and people grow old and go. But as long as I can remember Kinsey she & Publicker and Si Neuman will live on!

This morning I was preparing the Pilot lights and took one of the Lens out to clean it and saw some silver Paint on it and it took me back to Charlie Siepler as He would have been the one to touch up the paint on the Electrical Headers on the walls. We painted and kept up everything and Charlies job was keeping thing nice and painted and working and looking good. I could see the Old Buggy of His in my Mind racing to the building to touch up signs and docks and everything.

How I loved watching him rocket out of the gain drying building in the morning banging gears and spinning wheels. And that old 100 HP Flat head motor sounding great!

I am very blessed to have worked there the few years I did and met the people I did some after all these years still living and being my friends.

We live in such a different world today, those days were of a hopeful happy time and people glad for their jobs and content with their Lives. We had a team spirit working in the plant and work was a happy and good time for us back then!
Dave Z
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Jono
05-11-2009, 10:09
Are there any Neuman family members still around? Any with an interest in the distillery?

> Hope your prostate is improving...owww.

dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 03:57
I am fairly sure there are 3 left two Sons and a daughter of the Neuman Family the problem is the Guy that owns the place wants $20 Million dollars for it in ruin! The Township wanted to buy it till they got his price every one knows that is way to much to just get the plant leaves no leway for money to fix it up.

If the owner had any sense he would have never abandoned it when everything was operating. Once he shut it down and left for 23 yrs everything is getting in ruin.

I reallly wonder how the guy can be so rich when he has no sense to have kept it open and for sale back in 1986 when industrial places like that were very sellable and the #12 still was standing it would have been easy to do something with it but he went back to NY and never returned for yrs.

Last Summer I heard he came down to get some bottles for a friend that has a winery then left again as if all is well. The guys told me that they can't figure him out either and he pays them so little that right now they are just doing their summer work and not checking anything as when I was there all the warehouses were open.

The whole thing is hard for me I can't believe that he just left it all to rot when he left it was still a nice industrial property and now look at it.
I would have made the front into a living History Musuim and made the Buildings into Condo's if nothing else.

Called it the Condo's at Kinsey Distilling History Center but what do I know!

One other thing I did not remember till I was getting electric switch boxes was the doors in the warehouses had some type of electric latch on them which I noticed on each one on the inside I think you had to throw a switch to open them. I will get a picture of the setup next time I get there.

But The owner let those people have a option to buy and they stole all the wiring out of the buildings while telling him they were fixing it and also telling Limerick township they were fixing it. Then they caught the Old Bottle house on fire and knocked down the still and the guys told me they don't think he even knows what they did back in 2004.
Just a note tonight I am going to put a couple of Pictures I took on Sunday and talk about them and the ruin.


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 08:41
Just a quick note when I was talking to Ludy about the Bottling House at 11:00 am he told me that the racks in all the 14 explosion proof warehouses were 6 tier's high on each floor and again all holding 333,000 barrels per floor times 3 floors. For a total of 999,999 barrels per warehouse back in the day!
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Jono
05-12-2009, 08:51
It might be interesting to contact the Neuman family to see if they have any history to share....maybe they have a large private stock of Old Hickory!

dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 09:17
Jono I am sure they would have lots of info if you knew where to go and visit them. I will be finding out lots of things from my Friend who was a top person in the company soon and will ask him lots of questions if it all works out as hoped in early June. I am very Hopful and excited about seeing the mnay Pictures He has of all the Plants!
Dave
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dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 17:03
Here are some pictures I took inside Warehouse R of cases of New never used bottles on Sunday! The pictures are not as good as could be because I used my old camera at the Plant as I was getting parts for Lighting setups and afraid to bump my camera doing it. The ones at home are with my new camera!



Pictures 1 through 3 pictures of stacked cases of Whiskey bottles in warehouse R ,

and pictures 4 Weather proof switches from the warehouse docks at home in lighting setups & 5 Is Explosion proof setups from inside the warehouses, pictures taken at home Explosion proof Light & pilot light setups.
I have made them up to preserve them for history. Such a shame Continental would buy cases of Bottles yrs ahead of using them and here are many they could never sell sitting and cases falling down off piles after 30 yrs sitting in warehouse R!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-16-2009, 04:15
Well its the weekend and I plan on another trip to Kinsey I am just like a Moth and a flame when it comes to Kinsey. And I finally took my new digital camera to work and gotsome shots of the finished Explosion proof Pilot light and switch sets I have on my desk I have these five on my desk and one at the back and one on the side table for a total of 7 here are a couple of shots one light one not lit and one lit with flash and the lights out.

The one security Guard tells me when he does his rounds he goess in my office turns them on and looks at them in darkness as at night says they are really neat. I told him that was how they looked going into the window less warehouses till you got the lights on! I have put more pictures of the Distillery in front of my desk on the wall to show things and I have a picture of the Electrical Headers as that is what my Friend who wired my strips called the setups in the warehouses.

He said they were amazingly well made by looking at the pictue and very well engineered and thought out. I gve him a picture like the one on my wall with some other goodies for doing these for me.

The two sets in the middle have throw switches side mounted and the others have all the different kinds of switches I remember so well from those days. There is method in my madness as I am preseveing another part of the History of the Plant and what made it such a safe place to work and people who stop in my office think they are wonderfull.

I have one last one I want to get aand that is a round Lever one I know where a nice working one is and I want to get it and a Pilot light box yet!

Then I will start looking for more pieces of History there to save for future people to see.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-19-2009, 10:07
This past Saturday I went with my Buddy to some yard sales and I found a 35 mm Camera that sold new for about $400. for ten bucks. I bought it put new batteries in it and took it to Kinsey on Sunday here are some of the Pictures I took with 200 speed film and they turned out just great.

Here they are including a shot in the old Power control room in the old Kinsey Bottling House in very dark light with 200 film! As you can see the weeds and growth are taking over again for the Summer sadly but wanted to share these shots from my Canon EOS G Rebel 35mm Camera that cost me $10.00.
Pic 1.thru 4 looking at the warehouses in different directions
5. Front Water Tower
6. Looking up at the back of O Building the Goverment Building warehouse
7. Warehouse H the last one Jacob Kinsey ever built
8. Front Silo's
9. Stairs in #10 Rye Building
10. Rails from #10 Rye Building going to Warehouse D & E
11. Control room in Old Kinsey Bottle House
12. #10 Rye Building
13.Looking down the drive from out at the front gate
14. The Front Docks of The 1966 Bottling House with weeds taking it over for the summer
15. Another Shot of Warehouse H built in 1936 by Kinsey
16. A shot of the two 1/2 million gal Tanks from the dock of J building roof cuts off part of the top of the picture
17. Far Left side 1/2 Million gal tank
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-22-2009, 08:33
I was talking to Ludy this morning He will be 91 in Sept this year. He was asking me to see if I can find one of the old Whiskey Thief's they used at the plant to take samples out of the Barrels.

I am not real hopeful as it would be made of Pure Copper and most likely People would take them for scrap metal but I am going there this weekend and look!

Ludy also told me for those that don't know the names of the Hoops on a barrel Top one was called The head Hoop going from top to bottom, Then the Quarter Hoop and next the Belly Hoop and the same way coming up from the Bottom head.

One of his jobs when he was a cooper was taking Samples for Proof and readness of the Whiskey of any given Barrel. The Only reason he left that job was working in the New Bottling house paid a good bit more and He liked setting up the Bottling Machines very much.

Last year I was Lucky enough to find a char scoop that we used to scoop the char out of the troughs after we were done dumping. I also have a Laboratory Test Beaker for Bourbon I found in the 1966 Bottling house in summer 2008. It will soon be to over grown to get in Kinsey Easy so I want to get there for some looking and Pictures yet.

I also want to get some last pictures of the Old Bottling House Kinsey Built before it falls down completely. And I hope to get in the Big Bottle House for some more tank and equipment Pictures and a trip in the old destroyed Lab to look around if anything is open.
Dave Z
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Jono
05-22-2009, 14:34
Your photos remind me of that current tv series Life After People:

http://www.history.com/minisites/life_after_people

How nature reclaims our structures etc. Nice pick up camera...no doubt many film cameras are collecting dust or dumped for sale. I have not used my old Minolta in years....too bad really, but I like the instant digital feedback.
I think film will remain superior for "some" professional applications for at least the near future.

dave ziegler
05-27-2009, 02:53
I again took a walk at Kinsey on Memorial day and got some more shots of the place here are some of them!
Here are 5 pictures from O Building the Govermment building pictures taken with my Nikon Digital camera Government building and warehouse and the only one of the 14 Explosion proof warehouses to have windows!
1. Dump trough with bungs and char from the very last dump done there in 1979.
2. Whiskey filter O building
3.Pipes running under Tank Platform
4. Tank Platform, the tank here must have been sold off
4.Platform and to the right on the photo top is the main stainless steel whiskey Line running down through and out the wall to the Bottling house below!

No matter how many times I go to Kinsey it just seems so sureal to go there and see it the way it is. My mind says how can this be and then I just think back to those great days of yesteryear! I got the big tank switch from the area and I am going to restore it like I did the others I got. I can still see Sam Lipkin the head Government man standing there checking and marking off our dumps.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-27-2009, 17:57
I went to Kinsey after work today for one last walk till the weeds die down at the Plant it is to hard getting in there. Here are some more of my Pictures that I took on Memorial day! There will be more later!
1.& 2. Warehouses looking down through the plant
3. Shot from stair well Building Q
4. & 5. Shots of the two Half million gal whiskey tanks middle of the plant from J building stair well.
6.&7. two shots of the Electric Headers in warehouse J.

It gets harder for me as I see the place going down everytime I go there and seeing the terrible things the Young people do to Her! She ( Kinsey) was such a beautiful place back in the years I worked there. The two friends of mine who watch the place feel real bad too as they remember well how very beautiful Kinsey was back in the day.

I can see that Kinsey will just go on rotting away because of the person who bought it and does not give a dam about it. But for me it is an old friend dying and I can not do anything to help.

This is why I save everything I can of the place to keep it alive! And till my life is over I will try my best to write about what a great Place to work it was!
Dave Z
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fishnbowljoe
05-27-2009, 18:02
Dave, Have you ever gotten any other barrels or bottles on your trips to Kinsey? A friend bought me back a barrel head from the Jack Daniels distillery. It is now a nice stand in my bourbon room. Joe

dave ziegler
05-27-2009, 18:18
Joe I am very Lucky to have 4 different Heads I got a couple of yrs ago, one Bourbon Head one that just says Whiskey on the head, one Corn Whiskey Head and my favorite because it is dated 1967 the second yr I worked there and turned 20 a Scotch mash head which the young people had broken into 4 pieces and tossed I found it in the weeds and a friend put it all back together and it now rests safely at my house.

I also have the Barrel dated 1971 Continental Distilling Rye mash that I got for myself and one for Fricky and he is refinishing his and mine and making them into tables lacquring the heads to preserve the writting on them and Lacqurig the whole barrel I will then use it as a table as he is going to Lacqure the head then put a piece of Pexiglass over the top.

Both barrels say Continental Distilling 1971 Rye mash in Black indelible Ink on the head and except for the corn Whiskey Head all my Heads are from the yrs I worked there! The Corn Whiskey one is dated 1980 the last yr they did any distilling. There are many unlabled Bottles sitting there rotting in Warehouses J & R and some in Warehouse S.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-28-2009, 02:44
Last Night I posted some more pictures on #493 and now I am going to post more of my Memorial day pictures of Kinsey in weeds.
1.Another Abandon Fork lift in Warehouse J
2. & 3. stacks of never used Lolita Liquor Bottles falling over in Warehouse J
4. A Shot up the barrel Elevator in Warehouse J
5. Looking down the Barrel Elevator in J Building--These were designed to also be Explosion proof
6. Warehouse Sign Explosion Proof Warehouse K one of only two good signs left
7. Looking toward the back of the Plant from the two 1/2 million gal tanks.

I have about 10 pictures yet to post from this trip to Kinsey, and I must say I feel very sad about the state of the Plant. The guys have it all locked up again and the weeds are getting so High I most likely will not get in there for a while.
It is a terrible feeling seeing Kinsey That was such a beautiful Plant sitting like this because a person it means nothing to owns it.
Why he did not sell it to be an Industrial park when everything was still working is beyond me and chose to leave it shut it down and abandon it. In 1986 when he owned it everything still had power to it and He just closed it up and walked away.



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dave ziegler
05-29-2009, 02:43
Here are some more of my Memorial day Kinsey Pictures.
1. 3rd floor of Warehouse Q fire tower warehouse because the building has never dryed out from fire started there Stalagtits grow from sealing.
2. Stalagmites on floor of Q building
3. & 4. Scale setup under tanks in back scale & weigh House across from warehouse #38
5. Stairs behind the 2 tanks
6. Platform above tanks
7. Very Old Time Oil filled Explosion Proof Switch in Scale house, I have one of the two of these in my collection
8. Sign on front of Q Building one of two still in tact left in the Plant.
9. Hole Punched in the thrid floor wall in warehouse Q to put the fire out the water they used to put the fire out never dryed up and so the stalagtits grow from the cement

I will post some more pictures from the roof of this building and fire observation room on the Fire Observation thread soon.

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-30-2009, 04:14
Here are the last pictures I took on Memorial day on my trip through Kinsey. Here are 2 building shots and a shot of the 1/2 million gal tanks I took before leaving the weeds and thorns are taking over again so it will be hard to get in soon but I am hoping to go again this weekend before it gets to bad.

Shot one tanks from back at warehouse K looking down
Shot 2 front side of J warehouse in Sun

Note on shot 3 the stainless piping from warehouse J to Warehouse O the goverment Building many if not most of these lines have been stolen by the many who have destroyed Kinsey.

I wish all of you could have seen these Warehouses back in 1966 they gleemed in the Sun those days and were kept spotless. Everytime I go I still can not believe it has had this done to it.

Mr Neuman would be very mad if he saw this as he loved Kinsey and We were told when i was on the yard gang that we had to keep things as perfect as we could!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-31-2009, 05:28
Yesterday I went back to Kinsey in the afternoon with my Buddy Don and we went down to the old Kinsey Bottle house built in the early 1930's to save the last two 1930's Edison style Light bulbs that were in explosion proof covers so the Kids would not get in there and smash them. When we got the covers off they were still perfectly clean inside, even though the second floor has fallen and lots of water come in! Here are a couple of pictures I shot with my old digital camers as did not want to take my good one and maybe end up breaking it doing this, my old one fits in my pocket.

1. One of the two old 200 watt Edison type light bulbs we saved in its explosion proof cover
2. Looking from where the 3 Liquor Lines started toward the front casing room
3. Trap door where bottles and cases came down and where full cases were lifted up
4. Place the second floor has fallen into the first floor and brought machinery down with it and bent the Explosion proof light sideways, I saved the bulb from this one also when this happen also as it was an Edison type one made by GE
5. Old time Doors that go out to the road out front from the casing room
6. Old Oil fill type Explosion proof light switch at double front doors
7. Old windows with bars looking toward Warehouse E and the old 1930's dock behined the building which was not used anymore when I worked there could not get to it. Picture taken in front bottle casing room.

I really hate seeing this happening to the Old Bottle house and it is not because the building was shot but because when those people that got an option to buy the place in 2001 to build a Propane Electric plant they had no real plan to do that just to cut up metal and cash it in till the idea was rejected by the people who live there.

They were burning an old metal shed and caught a tree on fire which partly burned the Bottle house roof and burnt down the office so this past Nov the heavy snow on the roof was to much for the weaken roof and brought it down sadly to my discovery.

Once the plans were rejected for a power plant they just left leaving fork lifts and all kinds of suff having made plenty on scrap metal including tearing down DSP-Pa.-12. The guys who watch the place told me the guy that owns it does not even have a clue what this outfit did when they were saying they wanted to buy Kinsey and they told the townsihp they were fixing all the warehouses up as they stole all the wiring which means their end instead!

My friend the Electrician told me if the explosion proof Switches would have been left alone all you would to have done was put a new Electric scourse going in and they would have worked as they were sealed and still safe. Once they took the covers off and cut them up for scrap and pulled wires here and there it finished that for good!

Poor Kinsey it has had so many rotten things happen to it since Mr Si Neuman died which would not have if he had lived.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-01-2009, 02:54
Sunday I went to Kinsey for about an hour to get something I needed for my last explosion proof Power strip and took some pictures in O building as people had ripped it open again!
Here they are
1.through 3. old Singer Bottling machines sit in O Building
4. & 5. Barrel filling Equipment and And filler handle
6. A shot of the Tank Platform from different Direction
7. Pipe going out of Window to Bottling house below from Tank platform, note O building had windows the only one of the 14 with windows because of it being mulity purpose with the government offices and tankage and being a pumping area to the Big Bottle house plus barrel warehousing!
8. Name written on Piller Nov 7 1961 Bill Rhoads
9. Second Floor Electric Headers a bit different then the other warehouses as the Stairwell up is different due to government Offices they are on the right side of the door instead of the left like the rest. Also a bit defferent in boxes and setup.
10. Showers in back of Lunch room many of the people who traveled far to work used them before they left to go home
11. Entrance to Government offices Left and lunch room to the right bottom of stairwell
12. O Building Stair Way
13. Looking down from O toward R front

I also posted some pictures from my Memorial day trip to Kinsey on the post before this one #499 on Sunday morning.
Dave Z
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