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dave ziegler
06-08-2009, 06:48
During my time at the WWII Air show I found out something that amazed me. The one Old Vet that had been stationed in Hawaii and when he was there after The Pearl Harbor attack they were running out of food so they asked Dole if they could give the men some fruits to hold them over till they could pay them and they refused completely The old Timer said he never bought any of their stuff to this very day.

The reason I am writting this is to show the difference in Companies! Publicker not only supplied Liquor to the troops but also free of charge too! Also as I have said many times they raised Steers at Kinsey down back and all the cattle that were fed the Mash were then donated to the service men to eat.
Continental Distilling / Publicker Industries was always very Proud to be an American Company and Mr Neuman was very Proud to be the Chairman of an American Company.

There is a railroad Museum in Strasburg Pa on the way to Lancaster Pa

There is a very Old Clock in a tower there that came from the old Market Street Station in Phila.
When the Station was being torn down in 1952 Mr Si Neuman bought the Clock and saved it from being thrown away. He stored it in Warehouse U from 1952 which became the 1966 Bottling House till He died with the hope that someone would want this Historic Clock by donation. It remained there till 1982

I tracked it down and found that around 1982 6 years after He died it was donated to the Rail Museum by Publicker in Mr Neumans name which would Have made him very Happy had he knew it.

Although had he been living he would have kept his name out of it as he believed in giving and not letting anyone Know Publicly which is the way things should be. He believed the reward was in giving not letting everyone know you did!
My friend who was in a high position at Publicker has told me many times that Mr Neuman loved donating to things but did not want to let anyone know he preferred the Joy of the Giving.

Even after His death he was preserving something very special because when he was living He saved this clock and kept it there all those yrs. I remember it well sitting in the warehouse area of the 1966 Bottling house covered over to protect it. It was stored at Linfield at Kinsey for 30 yrs in the Bottling House.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-09-2009, 03:28
I got some exciting news from Ludy Last night when I called him to see how he was. He told me he was wishing I would call as he has something I would enjoy looking at, his daughter was looking through Old stuff and found an original Auction sale Book from when Kinsey was auctioned off in 1940 to Continental Distilling.

He told me it lists everything from Empty and full bottles of Whiskey to Empty and full aging Barrels of Whiskey! This is an amazing piece of History and I am hoping He will let me take it home and scan the pages for the Sake of History. I would be willing to bet this may be the only exsisting one. He got it from the same person that gve him the Picture That I posted of the plant in 1936.

He forgot all about it till she found it and I can hardly wait to see it. he also told me that his wife was able to come home from the Nursing home in May for the day to enjoy their 69th Aniversary. Once I see this book I will try to get it home and scan the pages and post some of them.
I am amazed that something like this still exsists.

I also through a friend found My Old Friend Harrison ( Shorty ) Tysons wife and talked to her last night She is doing fine and she also said to me when I asked her what Her and Shorty thought Of Kinsey back in the day and she like everyone else said it was a truely wonderful place to work.
She also said that Mr Si Neuman was a wonderful and good man!

I always get excited when I can talk to anyone that knew of Kinsey & Continental back in those years it operated. I have yet to hear anyone who worked there say anything bad about it.
Everytime I think of someone that workked there I try and find out if they are still around and I will continue to do this for the sake of Kinsey and of the History of Distilling In Pa as Continental was clearly the leader in this in Pa!
Dave Z
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Old Hickory America's Finest Bourbon

dave ziegler
06-09-2009, 17:15
I now have the book about the Bankruptcy sale of Kinsey on Aug 22nd. 1940 when Continental bought the Plant and there are 6 old rare 1940 Plant pictures in the book plus lists of Equipment and also lists of Brands registered! There is to much to post all of it 66 pages but I will post the most interesting ones on here.

The Book states that the warehouses under Jacob G Kinsey have 55,000 barrels of Whiskey in storage aging and also a Sharpless Evaporating Plant for manufacture of Cattle Feed as a by Product! Plus 1,590 cases of Bottled Whiskey, Cordials and Brandy.

This is an amazing Book to be able to copy and read and look at I am very sure it is the only one that exsists anymore.

I am going to scan all the pictures and some pages of Equipment and also Trade brands available back then!
There is a great picture of some tanks in the back first floor room of the still in the back of the picture is a door way if you could walk through that door way it led to the time clock we rang out at and the Wooden Mash tanks of which I posted pictures a long time back.
I promised Ludy I would get this back to him in a week or so, I am going to copy every page on the big copier at work and just scan the most important ones to post here as the book has 66 pages!
I will post first thing tomorrow Morning as tonight I will scan and and resize the pictures!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-10-2009, 03:07
Alright here are some of the Pages of information and the pictures from the Aug 22nd 1940 sale of Kinsey Distillery to Continental Distilling Corp from the old book Ludy has.
Here we go
1. Front of Booklet states Bankruptcy Sale of Kinsey Distillery Aug 22nd 1940
2. Inside of cover with Ludys name on it
3. Information about the sale
4. The Original areial Picture taken by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936 Warehouse H was being built in this picture it is as of 1940 complete and holds 20,349 barrels of Whiskey in the information page
5. Second floor in 1940 of the Old Kinsey Bottle House which was used by Continental after they bought the plant to make all our Liquors states and shows rectifying area
6. First floor of Old Kinsey Bottle House showing Mr Kinsey's Bottling Line in 1940
7.First floor tanks in Old Dsp-Pa.-12 Still, at the back of the picture is a door that leads to where we rang out and where the Big Wood Mash tanks picture I put on here were
8. Front Picture of the Plant with all the front buildings in great shape in 1940 shows Silos the building that conected them to the Dryer Building and the grain processing building connected to the Still, Boiler room with stack and DSP-Pa-12 with Cistran tank on top says Kinsey Distillery
9. Inside the Grain dryer Building
10. Lists warehouses and how many Barrels they hold noting that warehouse H holds 20,349 barrels

The next pictures state what is for sale, full Barrels Cases of Whiskey what their Proofs are and how many also
trade brands for sale and other stuff such as Equipment.

What a sad thing that after starting up in Late 1933 at 75 yrs old it ended like this for Mr Kinsey but thankfully Continental Bought it and kept it going till 1986. The pictures in this book I posted are the only ones there are that I know of and sure brought back memories of the inside of Old Dsp-Pa-12 to me.

These are one of a kind which will be able to be seen by many because of Ludys kindness in loaning me this one of a kind rare booklet
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-11-2009, 02:45
I got some real good news yesterday about the old book I have pictures of on the page #504 just before this writting.

I went to a small printer in the town where I work and he has done many things with old stuff and told me he can very carefully take out the two staples and double side print the pages to the same size to create a couple of Exact copies of it.

This means I can preserve all the History in this Auction book and have my own copy after I give it back to Ludy.

I am going to have a copy made for the Historic Society in Limerick. And that means many will be able to see this Historic Auction Book. I never relised how many Brands Jacob G Kinsey had the rights to I only posted a couple of pages there were many more. Also I was surprised at how much whiskey was there when he went Bankrupe.

And the 6 Pictures of the Plant were a great thing for History. Also It documents how many barrels each of the Old Wood and Brick Warehouses Kinsey Built held. It states there were 55,000 Barrels of Whiskey there!
Dave Z
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fricky
06-11-2009, 18:18
Dave, thanks for posting the various pages from the auction booklet. I find it amazing that there were so many different registered trade names associated with Kinsey and so many different products - Brandy, Sherry, Gin, Rum, Creme de Menthe.
Doug

TNbourbon
06-11-2009, 18:26
Dave, you and Jim Butler are doing a wonderful thing here: creating and archiving for posterity the historic memory of an industrial giant. It is impossible for each of us to absorb the volume of information and knowledge you possess of Kinsey and Continental by its mere relation to us. But, with the compilation of all these threads, pictures, stories and anecdotes, you are creating a living history of a long-dead distillery. That is no small feat, and I am awed by its ever-growing embodiment.
Bravo, Dave.:toast:

dave ziegler
06-12-2009, 08:39
Dave, you and Jim Butler are doing a wonderful thing here: creating and archiving for posterity the historic memory of an industrial giant. It is impossible for each of us to absorb the volume of information and knowledge you possess of Kinsey and Continental by its mere relation to us. But, with the compilation of all these threads, pictures, stories and anecdotes, you are creating a living history of a long-dead distillery. That is no small feat, and I am awed by its ever-growing embodiment.
Bravo, Dave.:toast:
Many thanks TN Bourbon for your Kind words, the History of The Company is a passion for me. For many years there was nothing said about Kinsey / Publicker / Continental Distilling and I most enjoy writing about Them.
Also finding great pictures Of Kinsey to give everyone an Idea of what it looked like back in the day.

I wanted more then anything to give a right Picture of How it was to Work for Publicker Industries as there was not much said in positive and somehow I keep thinking of things and finding things.

It is alot of work but it is a work of Love for me to talk about and when someone like you says they enjoy it, makes it all so worthwhile as now Kinsey and Continental will live on through this History being placed here.

And when it comes Distilling Spirirts in pa Jacob G Kinsey and Si Neuman of Continental Distilling were Giants .
Publicker Industries was the Most Prolithic Distiller for many Yrs.

Again Thanks for the Kind words they keep me seaching for long lost information & Pictures.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-22-2009, 15:56
On Sunday afternoon I took what most likely will be my last trip into Kinsey till fall when the weeds go away! Everything thankfully is locked because Kids are out of school and love to smash things there. Looking at her I got very sad in my Heart to see the Place in such ruin.

Picture 2 Weeds have covered the whole 1966 Bottle house and anything that gets in there way. Kids have wriitten rotten things on the buildings and the roofs of the Explosion Proof warehouses are leaking rain because of people sealing the metal edging on them.

The old buildings out front are covered with Poison Ivy and trees are growing in front of the Plant Maintiance barn. It is heart breaking for me and I think what would Shorty and Lou and Frank think if they were living and saw that as they worked all their Lives there very happily.

I also think what would Dicky think seeing his place he worked so hard on the old trucks and cars falling apart, and Charlie seeing his place he kept his buggy falling down!

Here are a couple of Pictures I took of the Plant and also of the Old Kinsey Bottle house with a foot of water laying on the floor as the second floor has fallen and rain pours in so sadly!

Also 3 of the last Pictures are of the Old Dsp-Pa.-10 Rye Barn still, platforms slowly falling down too.


Here are the pictures some of the plant and the weeds and many at the end of the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle house from the early 1930's with a foot of water on the floor a couple of shots in the old power control room an old Blender for whiskey like Ludy used to use.

The Anitonic and Catonic tanks. When I worked there the Old Bottle house was like a jewel it was in mint condition and well cared for and was used as I have said many times right up till just before 1980. All My Peanut Liquor was made there and all Continental Liquors were done there and many for other Companies by contract too!

To see it in such ruin breaks my Heart as I remember Kinsey Distillery!


Heres another one of our Motto's Long forgotten!
"There's No Better Bourbon Old Hickory Straight Bourbon Whiskey"
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Dave Z
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Jono
06-22-2009, 16:49
Dave, it is similar to a shipwreck....think of the Titanic slowly rusting away.... or a vessel with a personal family connection to me, the U.S.S. Arizona memorial. Eventually nature will take over completely and everthing returned to its natural state. It is the way of all things. Your photos are an important historical record.

BourbonJoe
06-22-2009, 18:10
or a vessel with a personal family connection to me, the U.S.S. Arizona memorial.

I have visited the Arizona. A very sad place, indeed.
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
06-23-2009, 02:28
Dave, it is similar to a shipwreck....think of the Titanic slowly rusting away.... or a vessel with a personal family connection to me, the U.S.S. Arizona memorial. Eventually nature will take over completely and everthing returned to its natural state. It is the way of all things. Your photos are an important historical record.
It is so dam hard to see Kinsey this way left to rot because the wrong person bought the place to just let it rot and write it off I guess! I just wish I had more pictures of the Place like the ones from the Sale brochure from 1940 so everyone could see how these things looked back in the day and when I worked there everything was still in good shape.

But look a page back from last nights post pictures to the one from the sale and the Old Bottle house looks so good and because fools caught it on fire back in 2002 burning a steel shed down and the fire got into the trees and the roof caught fire. And yet the building was so strong the second floor did not come down till 6 yrs later because to much snow laid on it and brought it down this winter. I walked around up there till last spring.

And in talking to my friends who watch the place I found out why the Kinsey Barn down by the river fell down I wondered why as had a new slate roof on it back in the early 1980's well it seems that someone went in there and cut the big wood beeams out and took them and when snow laid on it brought down too.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-25-2009, 09:47
Last Night I stopped to visit Ludy and gave him the original Kinsey Auction book back. We talked about the old days there and he talked about How good a place it was to work at.

I also asked him about the Picture I posted of the Old Bottle Line in the Old Kinsey Bottle were even then were 3 lines bottling all the products listed in the Auction Book.

I intend to write down as many as I can from my copies of the Book List of Kinsey Brands for everyone to see.
During WWII He said the place was very Busy cranking out Alcohol for the War and feeding and raising as many Steers as they could feeding them the Mash.

I will start tonight writing the Kinsey trade brand names what the Spirit was and Proof if shown. I was amazed at how many trade names Mr Kinsey had considering He was 75 yrs old when he reopened the plant in Late 1933.

Anything I can find out about Kinsey and Continental will be noted whenever I find it. Ludy said it was really something when Continental Distilling started building all the Explosion Prrof Warehouses early 1940's after they bought the Plant. And how good his job was all those yrs He worked there.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-25-2009, 17:02
Well I am finally at Home and relaxing and I am now going to list many of the trade names that were listed in the Auction book as belonging to Mr Jacob G Kinsey.




1. Phil Penn Whiskey

2. Grand Slam Whiskey
3. Barton Wine
4. Barton Brandy
5. Lone Eagle Whiskey
6. Royal Dixie Whiskey
7. Margate Abbey Gin
8. Mandy Lee Wine
9. Sonora Club Whiskey
10. Belle of Florida Whiskey
11. Pop Corn Whiskey
12. Georgia Cracker Whiskey
13. Poincianna Sherry Wine
14. Marimore Whiskey
15. Navarre Brandy
16. Sun Blest Wines
17. San Mateo Rum
18. Beacon Hill Whiskey
19. Evangeline Wine
20. Marie Antoinette Cordials
21. Golden Jubilee Wine
22. Rochambeau Brandy
23. Coeur de Lion Brandy
24. G. O. Blake's Whiskey
25. Spellmans Coronation Whiskey
26. Honey Bee Creme de Menthe
27. Betsy Ross Wine

Here are some of the bottles of Whiskey that were auctioned off - 240 Pts. Old Montgomery Brand Penna Straight Rye Whiskey 86 proof 3yrs old
84 4/5 qts Straight Californnia Fruit Brandy Slivovitz 90 proof
120 qts G.O. Blakes Blended Whiskey 86 proof
216 Pints Phil-Penn Pennsylvania Straight Rye Whiskey 90 proof 3 yrs old
Milford club Blended Whiskey 90 proof 39 qts. Our Private stock Penna Straight Rye Whiskey 86 proof 30 months old
Dolan's Bar Special Penna Straight Rye 85 proof 35 months old
225 pints of Barton Blackberry Liquor 60 proof
and there are so many more brands and types it is hard to believe and all the Brands are listed as gotten in the yr 1934!

Borrowing this book and havng these copies made has really paid off in many interesting things and we must keep in mind that Mr Kinsey was going on 76 yrs old 1934 when he got these trade brands and I have not ever heard of most of them. Also there are many Barrels listed too!

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-30-2009, 02:41
One of the things that seems hardest to believe is that there is vertualy none of our Whiskey anywhere. When I worked there on site was at least 10 million of the original 14 million gals of Aging whiskey.

I can't tell you how good it used to smell walking in those old Explosion proof warehouses back then. Another thing that seems wierd is that around here where our stuff sold so good you do not find anyone having any. My best guess is One it was so dam good it has all been drank up around here and two the reason you don't find any old bottles is we were so big no one ever even dreamed that they would go out of bussiness.
And so no one saved any of the Old Bottles for collecting!

The One thing I do know is everyone who worked there that drank bought and drank the products made where they worked. One and first of all because they were great and two for the sake of our good jobs.
Ludy was talking the other day about checking proofs in barrels with his old Thief and wishing I could find an old one over there for him but I think most likely they went for scrap as they were solid copper when the people in there claiming they were fixing the place were stealing everything they could!

I most likely will not get there for a bit with all the weeds and Poison Ivy but once fall comes back I will return as I always do to look take pictures and remember.

I will also continue Looking for more Old Hickory to drink but it is very unlikely I will find anymore. I am going to call Ludy and see what other things I can find out about the Place again this week. In Sept Ludy will be 91.

I just wish everyone here could have seen the Place back in the day. Also I am a bit worried as I have not heard from my friend yet who was a high position person in the Company so I am guessing he has not made it to Pa from Ca yet. I just have to wait to hear from him as he has my Phone number.

And finally later this week I hope to post some more Letterhead from the Company I have from the last days of Kinsey!


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-01-2009, 03:04
Well I found something on Line for sale I have never seen before our Glen Mavis Blended Scotch a quart Bottle. Other then my case of empty Labeled bottles of them I have not seen a bottle of this in 25+ yrs. It is full and I bought it for my collection.

I think it is one of the very last ones or possibley one of the very first imported and bottled in Linfield as instead of having Glen Mavis Distillers LTD Phila it says on the back Label Glen Mavis Distillers Greenwich CT which was where Our Continental Distilling Corporate Headquarters was! All the ones I have say imported by Glen Mavis Distillers LTD Phila.
Publicker Corporate Headquarters was always in Phila making them two seperately operated companies owned by Publicker and both with Mr Neuman as Chairman.

I have not decided if I will open it but think I will just put it with my special ones in my collection and leave it sealed. I have never seen any Glen Mavis all these years and by Luck when I typed it in there it was and I was able to buy it.

Here are some more things from the 1940 Auction book for Kinsey that were for sale at the Auction.
1. 12 Wood Fermenting tubs 2" wood staves, iron hooped with iron coils, inside, capacity each 8,935 1/2 gallons 55 1/2 gal per inch Nos. 1 to 12
( thought I remembered 12 of these being the number. Number one being filled wiith fish in the days I worked there)
2. Lot # 238 1 steel Mash tub No1 Capacity 10,072 gal covered 2" copper coils inside, equiped with agitator driven by Howell 60 H.P. Red Band Self starting Induction Motor.
3. Lot# 236 1 Copper Redoubling Still NO. 1 Capacity 6,750 Gal 2 sections with 3 coils 2 release valves on top 3 gate valves on side and 2 outlet valves underneath with Taylor thermometer and 2 glass gauges
4. Lot # 235 1 steel Malt Mixer NO.1 capacity 1,822 gal equiped with agitator driven by Howell 5 hp. Red Band Motor
5. Lot #234 1 copper Low wine tank NO.1 covered capacity 328 gal 7.81 gal per inch with two visible flow boxes 1 valve box with 9 asst. valves and intermediate copper pipe.

I most likely will never be able to find out the total out put per day that the Old Dsp- Pa-12 could do but these tank capacities give you an Idea of what Mr Kinsey had going when Continental Distilling bought the whole Plant in 1940 at auction.

There are many things in this auction book, these are just a few of the things that were in the #12 when Continental bought the whole plant. I am very thankful Ludy found this book and let me borrow it to record these things for History.
There will be more posted.
Dave Z
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Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
07-01-2009, 09:48
I will be Posting more Information like the stuff on the page before this one #516 later this week of things that were included in the 1940 Kinsey Auction Book. I thought the amount of gallons the Fermenters on the page before this is interesting I wonder if there is any way with those amounts to get an Idea what the amount that could be Distilled at Kinsey was?

I saw in reading the Book my Mind is still working as i was sure there were 12 fermenters and the Book states that.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-02-2009, 06:30
A very interesting thing came to me from data that I want to share, when Kinsey Closed forever in 1986 it had operated 94 Years. In the early 1950's when Jacob G Kinsey Died he died at age 94.

And Publicker which went on to buy a Flash light company and other things such as American cryogas then in the Late 1990's changing their Name to Publicard went off the stock market and came to their end with only the board left as employees in fall 2007, Publicker was Founded by Harry Publicker in 1913 it had just turned 94 years old with the new company name Publicard in 2007 even though just a small tiny company after all the mistakes made after Mr Neuman died back in 1976.

A very Weird thing is that each lasted only 94 years first Mr kinsey Then Kinsey Distillery and then Publicker / Publicard. And all at exactly 94 yrs. I was amazed when I did the math on Publicker as I knew for a long time about 94 yrs for Mr Kinsey and the Kinsey Plant.

Fact can sure be stranger then Fiction.
Dave Z
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Jono
07-02-2009, 07:47
Just for fun I have tried to find various "94" meanings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/94_(number)

"The 94th United States Congress met from January 1975 - January 1977 during the President Gerald Ford’s administration."

http://www.topverses.com/?book=19&chapter=94&pg=1
Psalms....hmm, do any apply to Kinsey / Publicker?

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/094.asp
Koran - Surah 94
Ash Sharh
Surah 94. Solace, Consolation, Relief

Bhagavad Gita 9.4
"By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them."

http://www.areopagus.net/grkelements.htm
Plutonium
Symbol: Pu
Atomic Number: 94
After the planet Pluto and the Latin god of the Underworld (Hades in Greek).

http://www.virtuescience.com/94.html
The Number 94

Elijah Craig Bourbon whisky 94 proof 12 yrs 750 ml
Jack Daniel's Whiskey Single Barrel 94 Proof
Vintage Bourbon Kentucky Bourbon 23 Years Old 94 Proof
Vintage Rye Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey 21 Years Old 94 Proof
Vintage Rye Kentucky Straight Rye Whiskey 23 Years Old 94 Proof

Dave, I am sure the answer lies buried somewhere above!

dave ziegler
07-08-2009, 09:22
Late Yesterday afternoon I got the Vintage Bottle of Glen Mavis Scotch I bought on Line last week on Looking at the Bottom for yr date it is one of the very last to ever be Bottled in Linfield, Pa at Kinsey!

I thought it most likely was because the Back label Says Glen mavis Distillers Greenwich CT which was Continental Distillings Headquarters back in the day and since they were going out of the Liquor Bussiness they had started making universal Case Boxes you could stick the Label on a spot on the case to show what product was in it.

Those cardboard Case Boxes of Which I have about 3 Say Instead of Continental Distilling " Publicker Distillers". This is the only Bottle of this product I have ever seen that Has greenwich on it all the Labeled ones I have in a case and Trade Show ones have Glen Mavis Distillers Phila Pa.

Many things happened in those last days including a bad batch of Governors Club Blended Whiskey I have letters I got from the Plant asking why their Bottle smells weird! Alot of sad things Happened after Mr Neuman died and the Family did not control the company any more.

I also found many Letters pleading for more product as they were out of something and could not get it anymore, them not yet knowing the Company was gone as far as Drinking Liquor.

Some of The letters Ask for Caffe Lolita others for Old Hickory and Many other brands. It is very hard to find Old Continental Distilling Bottles even though we were the Biggest of all Distillers back then. I think becausee of the Fact we were so big no one ever thought our Bottles would be collectable. Many times I find lots of smaller Distillers Old Bottles but you would think there would be tons of ours here in pa but it seems not!
Dave Z
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Bourbon Geek
07-11-2009, 04:22
1. 12 Wood Fermenting tubs 2" wood staves, iron hooped with iron coils, inside, capacity each 8,935 1/2 gallons 55 1/2 gal per inch Nos. 1 to 12

I most likely will never be able to find out the total out put per day that the Old Dsp- Pa-12 could do but these tank capacities give you an Idea of what Mr Kinsey had going when Continental Distilling bought the whole Plant in 1940 at auction.



Dave, I can give you an idea of the throughput of the distillery based on the auction description that you have provided and making a few assumptions that would have been appropriate for alcohol production in the 1930's ...

It seems like the batch size was probably 250 bushels. The maximum output at 3 day fermentations and 365 day operations would have been about 1,800,000 proof gallons per year. More likely, they operated half 3 and half 4 day fermentations so they could do two turns of the fermenters per week ... (and not work on Sundays ... very typical) ... with a moderate summer shutdown thrown in as well. My guess is that the annual throughput was about 1,500,000 proof gallons per year ...that's about enough to support 750,000 cases per year of sales.

dave ziegler
07-11-2009, 14:19
Thanks very much for that information Bourbon Geek I, not having ever seen the DSP#12 operating I really was wondering and that is what it must have been through your Knowledge of Distilling.

And that is why in 1951 the last year that I found the Last mash bills from in the plant that Continental Distilling shut it down. They could do so many times more in Phila with the Giant DSP-PA-#1 still down there. From what I have been told by people who knew they had the rights to make more Alcohol Drinking and Industrial then anyone at that time due to a License Harry Publicker had gotten before Prohibition in 1913.

I sure am thankful for you solving this mystery for me for the sake of History. There are so many things like this I do not know and most of the people that worked there then are gone so I am so Glad that Ludy lent me the book and for your Help in this matter. So for that period of time I guess MR Kinsey was doing fairly good. And Continental ran It all through the war yrs after they bought the place in 1940 and up till Spring of 1951 the last Mash Bills to found.

The Mash bills had them running 3 batchs a day and only on week days like you said! I have a set framed and I gave a set to the Historic Society here and I have maybe 2 or three more sets I found them in Papers that Kids had trashed there and quickly saved them for History. They only went to spring 1951 which is When Ludy remembers them shutting Dsp-Pa. 12 down.

Thanks So Much Dave ( Bourbon Geek )



Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-13-2009, 07:03
Today is going to be a day I have been waiting for as Fricky is bringing my complete 50 gal restored Continental Distilling Rye Mash barrel down to my house. I will take pictures and post them, On its top Head it says Continental Distilling - DSP-Pa. #1 Phila, Rye Mash Whiskey and the date of 1971 the last year I worked there.

He has sanded it completly and put lot of gloss Varnish on it including sealing the Writting on the Head with 4 coats and Painted the hoops Gloss Black both head Hoops are secured to each Stave by Piramid screws and mid hoops by spaced screws also and he has sent me a picture before and after. His and Mine are most likely the last and only Barrels to be preserved this way from Contiental and who knows what will happen to the remianing 40 or so in warehouse C.

For all I know I may have even rolled this barrel when it was full back in 1971 another reason it is so special to me. Plus this will sit in my living room and be kept by me till I am gone for History. It also adds to my amazing Collection of Publicker / Continental / Kinsey Stuff which will go to a Museuim when I am gone!

I have been at this saving of these things so long I have lost track and I hope to save some other stuff to. I have not been to the Plant for 4 or 5 weeks now due to weeds and rain and hope sometime soon to take another walk around Kinsey.

Just knowing That Fricky and I have two of the Barrels saved for History is exciting as most times People bought them to use as water barrels or cut them in half for flower planters but these two will continue the History of Kinsey for many long years.

Fricky has done an amazing job on them and they are as solid as they can be with all the staves fast to the hoops on both ends.

I also now have a complete Explosion Proof Sealing light from the plant with the green metal
shade from Dickies area he worked at mounted on it in his memory. I got each part one at a time and then put them together this summer.

My Next project is to sit down and put as much letter head from the Company I can in binders for History as I have stuff everywhere and also to put my sets of Tax Strips in something to keep them clean.

I wish everyone of you could see the old place even though ruined it still is an awesome big place. And if only you could have seen it in operation!
Dave Z
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fishnbowljoe
07-13-2009, 15:59
Next project is to sit down and put as much letter head from the Company I can in binders for History as I have stuff everywhere and also to put my sets of Tax Strips in something to keep them clean.

Dave, I'm getting ready to start putting my bourbon label art project together. I've gotten about all the labels I think I'm gonna be able to get from the distilleries. You and Fred (mobourbon) really helped me out a lot and I appreciate it. Fred sent me some nice labels from BT. The labels you sent me were nice too, plus I think those rolls of tax strips you sent will make a great border. Thanks again. I'll be sure and post or send pictures when I'm done.

Don't forget to post some pictures of your barrel ASAP. I can't wait to see what it looks like. Also, don't forget to give Fricky an "attaboy" from the rest of us too, for a job well done. :grin: Joe

dave ziegler
07-13-2009, 18:17
Joe it was my Pleasure to send you the stuff it is History saved and any time I can send the stuff to Good people like you that keep it means it will be preserved for History in many places!

Well You asked for it Joe and here are the pictures of the Barrels from when I first got them till the last pictures I took at Home tonight. Fricky Did a truly amazing job on them. And when I got mine today It hit me they are from Mar 1971 I still worked there that Year and I may well have rolled one of them after being filled to be racked to age!
1. The Day after Fricky picked them up at my friends place taken at his place last fall.
2. Sitting side by side Frickys and My Barrel at Fricky's looking Beautiful in the Sun!
3. My Barrels Head in my Living Room.
4. A Closeup of My Barrels Head note dated Mar 1971 - Whiskey From Rye Mash -- Continental Distilling Dsp-Pa-1 Phila
5. My Barrel sanding in my Living room looking amazing thanks to Fricky's Great work History is saved and preserved which is my goal for everything I find and get. When my time comes to an end my Barrel will go to the Limerick Historic Society to be with the many things I have given them so far!

I could Never Thank Fricky enough for his work on this project to save these two Barrels for History and my Friends that watch the place for letting me pick the two of them out last fall and taking them to their Home for us to get!

And all the Many Hours of Hard work Fricky put in them they are so darn Beautiful, I think if Mr Neuman could see them He would smile!
Dave Z
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fishnbowljoe
07-13-2009, 19:11
Dave, Very nice! Fricky did a great job. You both should be proud. Joe

Jono
07-13-2009, 20:42
Beautiful restoration job! I note the heads say "Whisky" instead of "Whiskey"...was that traditional at Kinsey or is there another explanation related to ultimate use in Scotland?

dave ziegler
07-14-2009, 02:41
From all the Years I worked there they spelled Whiskey both ways depending on the brand and type if Scotch. I just looked at my original Bourbon Whiskey Head and it is spelled Whiskey on it.

I just looked at many of my Oringial Cases of labeled Bottles and all the Scotch ones are spelled Whisky, Old Hickory is spelled Whisky which I thought it was, Phila Blended spelled that way.
Kinsey is Spelled Whiskey also Governors Club, and Charter Oak.
And Planters Club spelled Whisky.

They always did it that way and I have no idea why except it just made them all different and they stood out that way as being different.

I am very Happy with the way the Barrels turned out as you could see in the Pictures before this page they came out better then I ever thought they would and they are very strong and in super shape now. Fricky really did an awesome job on them the past months since last fall. Please if you have not seen them go back 2 pages to the pictures on this page.

When I get a chance I will make a list of all the brands I have and how Whiskey was spelled on them by the company.

Besides the Barrel being from the last yr I worked there it is also really neat to think it was made in Marcus Hook pa at the Companies barrel plant and Cooperage School! Also the Fact I may have even rolled it to be racked after it was filled in Mar 1971.
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dave ziegler
07-14-2009, 08:35
One correction I said they were 50 gal they are both 48 gal just got mixed up as when I worked there we had some 50 gal and also 120 gal and even the experimental 320 gal barrels they were real fat cats! For the most part they used 48 gal ones. This one is even marked 48 but I just had the number 50 in my Head.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-16-2009, 10:01
Sitting Here this morning I was thinking about Racking Barrels and taking them out. It was a job you really had to be carefull in doing as you would roll the barrel in the upper racks on the Loader Platform and which was placed sideways then before they took it down turn it sideways to let it be rolled right off you would then reach out and put a barrel holder to keep it there.

I remmeber being down below one time when a barrel suddenly rolled off the Lift at about the second tier rack it hit on the middle and rolled and amazingly it did not break or leak but the one guy there that was a Copper quickly turned it up on the head and checked all the Hoops.

We had flash lights to go in the racks to roll barrels out and it was dark even with all the Explosion Proof Lights. The explosion Proof warehouses had Steel racks that were six tiers high 333,000 barrels per floor.

We worked in a nice cool enviroment in the warehouses in Hot Summer and enjoyed work very much those days.

Being in there was like being in a Whiskey vaporiser it smelled great and I enjoyed the vapors those days the ceiling being filled with blue vapor a foot below the ceiling.

I wish I could go back there for just one day to savor the air and the whiskeys one more time.
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Jono
07-16-2009, 15:38
Is the scent long gone or can you still pick it up on humid days?

dave ziegler
07-17-2009, 02:48
Jono When you walk through the Explosion Proof Warehouses on a Humid or cold day you can in some of them still smell Whiskey even though there is nothing in them but open floors the Cement floors have whiskey soaked in them.

In the spring on a cool spring day I went into Warehouse P by way of the back fire door and on the little escape porch in the fire door as the front was locked to the second floor. This was the day I found my Explosion proof 1941 Western Electric telephone. As I walked across the second floor I instantly smelled a heavy Whiskey smell and to my amazement not only did I smell it but it had sweated out of the floor in a long puddle. After all these years and the upper doors being open whiskey was still in the floor.

Also I have smelled it in some of the other warehouses the guys who watch the place say sometimes they still smell Whiskey in the air on a cold day when the wind is blowing toward their House

So I guess if you made condo's of them you would get the smell of good Whiskey. I know one thing it smelled dam good that day in there and brought back all the memories of the rooms being filled with Blue Vapors back when I was young working there.

I called Ludy Last night and my old boss from the warehouses Jack they are both ok but Jack was saying as I know there is just him and Ludy and Ace and Al left also Frank Kurtus.

Jack also solved the Mistery for me I had tried to call my Old Friend Frank Kurtus last yr and his wife would not tell me where he was or if he was living. Well Jack talked to her and said Frank had a stroke and can't talk. Frank was the one in Maintaince who was so kind to me and fixed my car for me at work and did not charge me way back then! I had a 1963 Chevy that yr.
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dave ziegler
07-19-2009, 17:28
I could not stand another day without going to Kinsey and I took my camera with me!
Pictres are
1. Back Water tower
2. Weeds taking over everything
3. More Weeds and trees taking over
4. 1/2 Million Gal Whiskey Storage tank taken over by Summer Weeds!
5. Door going into Warehouse P type of Electric locking device!

I have a few more Plant pictures I will post later It is always very Hard for me to see Kinsey Like this and I hate it being this way as I love the Kinsey Plant! Also I could agian when I went into warehouse N smell a bit of Whiskey nothing like that great smell!

I can never stay away from Kinsey more than a few weeks I am always looking for that special Picture to show what it was Like to work for that great Comapny in That great place it was a very Special Place to work and as long as I live I will never forget Kinsey.




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Jono
07-19-2009, 17:38
Interesting graffiti on the door photo.....true enough...for both living and non-living...damn kids.

dave ziegler
07-20-2009, 02:35
Here are the rest of the Pictures from Sunday to go with the ones posted just before this thread with the Weeds taking Kinsey over. Also I climbed the Cat walk stairs and got some shots of the Black coated incoming stainless tanks at the big Bottle house and posted them on the Bottle House Thread last night!
1. Inside Explosion Proof Warehouse second floor
2. Second Floor Warehouse N Door in wall open sun coming in note the old Barrel Lift near the door.
3. Looking across from J warehouse Dock to Warehouse K dock
4. Looking down coming in from Government Warehouse O weeds climbing everywhere
5. Inside the Old Jacob G Kinsey Post Prohibition Bottling house first floor from front to back of Bottle house still not fallen in and dryed out a bit from the Last time I brought another explosion proof Light cover home with me.

I hope once the weather gets cooler to get more pictures inside the big Bottle house if I can get my friends to let me in there for a picture shoot. Everything except for warehouses J & N was sealed tighly yesterday. I still love just being able to walk there and remember back to the days gone by

I stood there looking and like every time I go there it just does not seem possible that it is in such ruin. In my mind I remembered how busy it was the Last time I worked there back in late 1971 old 1941 Ford trucks running back and forth hauling Barrels to be dumped and the Bottling house running full tilt security driving around . And all my Friends there working that are for the most part now gone.

I could in Warehouse N just smell a faint smell of Whiskey also yesterday coming from the cement Floors!



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Jono
07-20-2009, 13:12
Dave, I know you left before the end but maybe it worked out for the best anyway....would it have been more difficult to stay there and see it change under your feet and then be locked out one day?

dave ziegler
07-20-2009, 17:35
Jono you are right if I would have stayed 8 more yrs I would have hated going there to find it locked up and gone and then going to bottling Anitfreeze because of the people that took over after Mr Neuman died the sadest day in History for Publicker / Kinsey / and Continental Distilling. That day in 1976 was a terrible day poor Mr Neuman went in the Hospital for some minor thing and ended up dying of Leagionairs Sickness caught at the Hospital.

When Mr Neuman died Kinsey / and Publicker and Continental Distilling died that fateful day!

I will never forget the day I heard that Kinsey was closing forever in 1986 after 94 yrs operating.
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dave ziegler
07-22-2009, 06:02
When I get over to Kinsey I always just plain enjoy being there even though it is in Ruin. I also lament the Still being torn down when I think of all the great inside pictures I could have gotten. I also every time I go look in any building that is open for a Old Whiskey Thief as I promised Ludy I would look for one for him if any survived the people in there scraping everything.

I am amazed at at the stuff that was left behind mostly because this Guy that ownes it just walked away all those years ago. I think the only thing he cares about was using it as a write off.

It is sad to see glass broken every where and Kids smashing Old Bottles, in a way I am glad I did leave when I did as I would have been real mad working there when the people that forced their way on the Board changed everything to cause its end.

Its like seeing an Old Friend dying and there is nothing you can do. I will continue to look for Old Letter's and Papers when things are open to preserve for History.

And I still Hope to hear from my friend who was high in upper managment at Publicker Some one in his family was sick in May when I talked to him and I have not heard back anything I may try calling Ca this weekend to see if he is still there. The Place " Kinsey" is so big you never know what you might find there.

I hope yet this year to get the guys to let me in the Big Bottle house for a real big picture shoot of the place and will be calling them soon.


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dave ziegler
07-26-2009, 15:54
Today I took a couple of Pictures of some of the stuff I have saved from Kinsey in my years of going there!
1. 48 Gal Barrel Head just says whiskey dated 1963
2. !20 gal Barrel Head Corn Whiskey I think date is 1962
3. Blue Print for new Bottle designed for Continental this bottle is still in use in Glass and Plastic by Distillers today!
4. Explosion Proof Light Bulb Cover from Old Kinsey Bottle House
5. Complete Explosion proof Light set up from Old Kinsey bottle house and green Hood from Dickie Phiefers old shop plus a old small explosion proof Light cover
6. Old Dry Ice Sign from Continentals Therm Ice Plant in Phila found in O Building
7. Old Wooden Whiskey Gauge glass tube broken out of it.
8. Old Scoop used to get Char out of Dump troughs got this in Building P
9. Old Barrel Head Inkers found at Plant a couple of years ago by me

Everytime I can find a way to carry something the mile and a 1/2 out of the Plant for History I do it I may be old but I want more then anything to preserve Kinsey's History.
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dave ziegler
08-02-2009, 18:31
Tonight being only 2 months away from turning 62 my mind takes me back to the good old days at Kinsey! Life was so dam simple then. I would drive 3 miles go in and ring in and just plain enjoy my day working! The days in the yard gang could be hard but nothing like the days I spent when I first got out of school doing construction.

Kinsey was my first real break in life and if not for my neighbor bugging me I would have gladly stayed there till the end. I got my first nice car working there, went to my first Phillies ball games with the good money I made there. And I loved working when I worked there I never can remember a job that was so much fun as Kinsey!

I still have a pay stub from Dec 1969 I cleared $101.20 and I have a copy on my desk and people keep saying to me at work wow you made Dam good money there as a Kid! I never relised how dam good the money was till my neighbor talked me into working for him what a mistake.

I can still in my mind see us standing at the time clock in the Old DSP-Pa. 12 waiting to ring out and toseing loafes of bread in the old fermenter filled with water to the fish in it.

I can still see Charlie burning rubber with that old Model A frame vehical with a 100 Horse power Flat Head Ford in it and Old Bonda shifting to second reaching under the seat of his 1951 Pylmouth to get his Pint and put it to his mouth and his neck jumping as he gulped down some whiskey.

As a young Man I was blessed to work at the best place in Pa when I worked at Kinsey. I am very Lucky to Have worked there as my first Good Job and to work where I do now for my Last job the ones in the middle were horrible.

I wish that everyone who reads this could just go back in time to Kinsey and just work there one day it was awesome those days and I was so Proud to work there. Our Whiskeys back then were the finest made and Old Hickory was the best selling Bourbon around back then.

To See Kinsey the way it is today is Heart breaking but it just as I have been passed by Time and Life. Things are changing and not for the good those days were so simple work go home Drink a little Bourbon have fun today everything is so Hard. I am very glad I lived when I did as today is just not at all like those good old days.

My Biggest Hope is that Everyone will be able to see what those gloryous days were like back when I was young from these memories of Mine!
Dave Z
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Jono
08-03-2009, 12:48
If you are just turning 62 that means you were working there in your early 20s....1972 your last year? About 25 when you left....it certainly made an impression....did you have to be 21 (legal age) to work in certain areas?

dave ziegler
08-04-2009, 05:39
Jono I got out of School in 1966 worked Construction till I got my break at Kinsey I was actualy 19 1/2 when I started mid 1966 and worked there till the end of 1971. It was strange but back then you did not have to be of drinking age to work there as you were not suposed to drink there anyway!

Those five years taught me alot about life and I made friends with alot of Guys old enough to be my Dad and some of them took me under their wing so to speak kept me out of trouble.

It was there I learned the Value of working every day, not missing just getting up and going and learning to enjoy it. Every day there was like a study of Life all types of People some ok some awesome, and every day had its fum and its pain in the you Know what!

Working at Kinsey was a great place to work and a Company I could be So Dam Proud to work for. I really enjoyed my time in the warehouses rolling barrels racking them and smelling all that Great Whiskey we made. It is one place I will always be glad I worked. I can't say that for my Truck driving job of 18 yrs it was Hell!

When I left Kinsey to work for my Neighbor I found myself out of work 2 yrs later and it took yrs to make good money again. The Pasture is not greener some where else! But He kept bugging me and I made a big mistake.

From my Job at Kinsey I had many Old friends as I have many friends now where I work at Cabot! But my longest job driving for a Plating Company after 18 yr I only had 2 real friends and one is now dead due to an accident on a new job after they downsized us both him having 27 yrs me 18.

Kinsey was not at all like that It was just great to work there and you had a feeling of Pride working for Publicker. Publicker even though such a Big Company and we being in a Union was still great we all just got along fine and did the best we could to make things work. When Mr Neuman died so Did Continental / Publicker and Kinsey.

I can in my mind see all the buildings and things we did as if they were yesterday, every day we rolled and dumped many barrels of Fine Whiskey and the Best part of it all was the strong Whiskey smell in the Warehouses.
In todays world they would try to stop that as would say it could hurt you but I thought it was Great like being inside a bottle of Great Bourbon!

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Jono
08-04-2009, 13:37
I take it you had a taste for whiskey even at those "tender" ages! I had to grow into it....not until around 30-35. The only bourbon I recall in my parents house was a bottle of WT 101.

My first real job was at a grocery store....first bagging then promoted to produce where I worked all through college. It was one of those union jobs that allowed me to make far more than my peers per hour and certainly had its fun and pain in the a## moments. Believe me when I say every pretty woman was watched behind those metal door peep holes. The call would go out and each department would await their viewing....especially the meat cutters....man you never saw so many trays of meat suddenly have to be in the case. The shenanigans that went on in the back rooms near closing....produce fighting with dairy etc. etc. Yep, I learned alot about people....and sometimes I think life was much simpler...but most of those guys are now out of those jobs...not by choice as most of the stores closed and were bought up by other chains.

dave ziegler
08-07-2009, 10:50
Jono When I got out of School at 19 I went to two places to try to get a job the Old Adam Scheit's Brewery Norristown bought by Schmids of Phila and Kinsey I am glad I got hired at Kinsey. The main reason being I have always Loved Beer best and those days you could drink in the plant all day if you wanted. I think I may have been in trouble with that when I was young.

At Kinsey I learned to enjoy now and then Whiskey but not go out of control as I could have easily back at 19 yrs old at a brewery. Also Continental was a much nicer place to work and every way. Good People good Whiskeys and good pay.

I enjoy Whiskey alot more these days and also remember How good our products were. Even today I would put our Spirits up against anyones. We had some of the best Whiskeys made back then and today I still love Old Hickory and think of it as one of the best Whiskys ever made.

And Yes I loved Whiskey as soon as I tasted Rye ready to become Rittenhouse Rye back then at 19 yrs old. The Whiskeys I got from the Barrels were always a nice deep brown and filled with Flavor. And I grew to love the smell of whiskey vapors in the warehouses.

I am always comparing Whiskeys of today to Our Products and for me that is the bench mark!

I can still remember the first Whiskey I drank and where, it was in The Old Jacob G Kinsey out front, Warehouse E next to the Old Bottle house, late 1950's Rye in the barrel in the old wooden racks. That Old Building is still standing but in bad shape but I will never forget the rye bread taste it had and its pleasant sweetness and smoothness going down for a Kid who had never drank whiskey.

I loved those days and I will always remember those first tasted whiskeys from the Barrels pure Pleasure.
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dave ziegler
08-13-2009, 09:27
The nice thing about the Old Days and Kinsey / Continental Distilling was they paid so good and you did not have to do anything but go through school and when you got out want to work! I am still amazed when I look at my Pay stub from Dec 9 1969 and see that I made $101.20 a week clear. I have had engineers older men come in my office see the stub and say wow you made more then me back then!


When I went to the Warehouse from the yard gang we had about 8 full crews racking unracking and dumping and filling Barrels. We had 3 to 4 people per crew Plus the Lead man. We worked 8 hrs a day 5 days a week Monday Through Friday.

We enjoyed our Jobs and I found no reason to complain. We had a medicine card and full Insurance. We got all the major Holidays and also paid Vacation.

They for the most part Left you to just do your Job and all you had to do was do it right! We were the safest Distillery around back then and very much into Fire safety.

No one ever yelled at you and if you messed up you were always given a second chance. The Company unless you were stealing did not do alot to people caught drinking. I always was amazed how Kind they were to some people and it was a job you could feel safe knowing it would last.

Kinsey was always super Busy from July through Dec cranking out lots of Spirits for the Holidays and there would be 3 box cars and many trucks at the docks of the 1966 Bottling house during that period of time. Rail cars would be coming in our Company owned bridge across the river also cars full of coal for the Boilers even some tankers of Spirits!

The place looked beautiful during the fall trees turning colors deer Walking around and Rabits Lots of Wild Life and the lawns done perfectly. In the Yard Gang we would be getting everything cut for the last time for the winter and mulching trees. Emptying coal cars and doing lot of my favorite thing sweeping floors in Buildings.

I would when in the yard gang gladly offer to do the Old DSP-Pa 12 still. It always fascinated me looking at all the old Honeywell Timers with disc's put in back in 1951 never to be turned on again. All the Lights and sprinklers were as they had been in 1951 fully working.

Publicker always kept everything up about 6 yrs before they closed forever they had put a new roof on the Old kinsey house near the river. When I started there they were redoing a couple of the 14 Explosion proof Warehouse roofs.

it will always be the hardest thing for me to see the place so bad off. I now am looking forward to cold weather to take a walk back in time to Kinsey again!

Till the Day I die I will always believe that if Mr Neuman Had Lived Kinsey would still be operating!
Dave Z
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Jono
08-15-2009, 16:35
Dave, I don't know if anyone else here can recall a job they loved more than you. I am sure each day you kick yourself for leaving when you did, but, that is water under the bridge. My father probably was similar in that he could have made more $ working at the big John Deere or IH plants but he liked his machiniist job at a smaller specialty shop and never left it. He would tell at supper...when families ate together...the goings on with some of the characters he worked with. I don't think he ever made more than 16-17K during in those days....in the 1970s that was probably lower middle class.
When I worked for Eagle grocery stores I remember making around $11 / hr in the early 1980s when other college students were making minimum wage of around $3.15 at most if I recall.

It sounds like you enjoy your current position.

Too bad BT did not aquire rights to Old Hickory (thinking of their new product line). Luxco never responed to my or your inquiry....if they have the recipe they are not doing anything with it.

dave ziegler
08-16-2009, 18:31
Yes my Friend it is a shame that Luxco has done nothing with one of the most famous names in Bourbon Old Hickory! But it is better for there to be none then a horrible product as much as I would love to see it come back!

For a time we made Bankers Club it was awsome whoever makes it now it is horrible cheap stuff.

I hope that some time while I am living Someone will buy the Old Hickory name and bring it back as America's Most Magnificent bourbon.

And I can say without any thought It was the Best Dam Bourbon out there back in the Old days.

I drank it for the most part because there was nothing as good as It. And the second reason for the sake of my Job.

I am very Lucky to work at Cabot now they are the most wonderful place I ever worked at! Even better then Kinsey. The sad part is the place I worked at the longest Pottstown Plating was the worst Job any Person could have the company and the Union Hated you and when they went out of bussiness about 2 months ago I had alot of drinks that night in Happyness for the way they treated people.

I worked for Pottstown for 18 yrs then one day they just got rid of my Job and walked me and a friend that had 28 yrs out for downsizing. He never found a full time job and got hurt working part time and died.

But I offten wonder how much better it would have been to work at Kinsey and never end up at Pottstown!

However working for Cabot I have such a great job as company Mailman and they just gave me a Bulova Crono Watch for 10 yrs srevice. Now that is an awsome way to treat people and when I was out 21 days almost dieing in 2007 my job was never in danger I had no worry about losing it.

But the best part is that My first real job and my Last were both the best Jobs I ever had and Kinsey was a place that anyone could get a chance and have a good life.
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dave ziegler
08-19-2009, 06:05
The Pa Distillery 10 Sign comes home to my House! On Monday Fricky brought me the Large Sign I saved from Kinsey He put many coats of lacqer on it to prevent any more of the Lettering to come off from the years it layed in a pile of rubble from what was Dsp-Pa. 12. About the year 2003 the people who claimed they were fixing the place up to buy it from the owner came in with a large machine and knocked the Number 12 down to steal all the metal they could get.

I found it around the year 2006 dug it out of a pile of rubble and because of its size could not carry it out so I turned it so rain would not lay on it. Then in fall 2008 The Guys who watch the Place brought it to their House across the street and Fricky took it with our 2 barrels to work on them.

It has a place in the center where it broke and buckled but 90% of the lettering has been saved by Lacqer. I took a picture of it last night on my steps and will post this week with some more Letter head I have been digging out of the stuff I found tosed around in the plant.

One piece I want to post is of a bill for 19,000 Barrel Staves sold to a copperage Company in Lebonon KY in I think it says 1977!

We had a very large Copperage Plant in Marcus Hook Pa and we sold alot to other Distiillers back in the day.

I hope in the next Month or so to take a walk around Kinsey again just waiting for cold weather because of the high weeds and Poison Ivy.

On Hot days like we have had all week here in Pa I think back to how nice it was in the Warehouses back then just right no matter how hot out! I look back at those days of my youth as days I learned all about life and its ups and downs.

In my wildest dreams I would never have thought that after 8 yrs having left Kinsey that they would stop Bottling Spirits there and close then reopen to do Antifreeze.

And then after 94 yrs like Mr Kinsey be gone forever from Phila and any making of Alcohol or Industrial products and that 94 yrs after Publicker was founded by Harry Publicker they would go off the Stock market even as Publicard to be gone forever after running a flash light company and a smart card company and other things.

I have much Paper work from the Plant brought up from Phila and from the Big Bottle house and old Kinsey Plant office and my goal is to post the interesting stuff soon.

I am becoming very worryed about my Friend who was a top officer at Publicker He has not called me that he has come to Pa and when I call where he lived in Ca I get the answering machine. I sure hope to hear he is alright and it is not looking good for me to meet him and talk about Publicker or Mr Si Neuman or look at any of his 1940's industrial pictures either. It is my Hope and prayer he is Ok!
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dave ziegler
08-19-2009, 11:21
The Pa Distillery 10 Sign comes home to my House! On Monday Fricky brought me the Large Sign I saved from Kinsey He put many coats of lacqer on it to prevent any more of the Lettering to come off from the years it layed in a pile of rubble from what was Dsp-Pa. 12. About the year 2003 the people who claimed they were fixing the place up to buy it from the owner came in with a large machine and knocked the Number 12 down to steal all the metal they could get.

I found it around the year 2006 dug it out of a pile of rubble and because of its size could not carry it out so I turned it so rain would not lay on it. Then in fall 2008 The Guys who watch the Place brought it to their House across the street and Fricky took it with our 2 barrels to work on them.

It has a place in the center where it broke and buckled but 90% of the lettering has been saved by Lacqer. I took a picture of it last night on my steps and will post this week with some more Letter head I have been digging out of the stuff I found tosed around in the plant.

One piece I want to post is of a bill for 19,000 Barrel Staves sold to a copperage Company in Lebonon KY in I think it says 1977!

We had a very large Copperage Plant in Marcus Hook Pa and we sold alot to other Distiillers back in the day.

I hope in the next Month or so to take a walk around Kinsey again just waiting for cold weather because of the high weeds and Poison Ivy.

On Hot days like we have had all week here in Pa I think back to how nice it was in the Warehouses back then just right no matter how hot out! I look back at those days of my youth as days I learned all about life and its ups and downs.

In my wildest dreams I would never have thought that after 8 yrs having left Kinsey that they would stop Bottling Spirits there and close then reopen to do Antifreeze.

And then after 94 yrs like Mr Kinsey be gone forever from Phila and any making of Alcohol or Industrial products and that 94 yrs after Publicker was founded by Harry Publicker they would go off the Stock market even as Publicard to be gone forever after running a flash light company and a smart card company and other things.

I have much Paper work from the Plant brought up from Phila and from the Big Bottle house and old Kinsey Plant office and my goal is to post the interesting stuff soon.

I am becoming very worryed about my Friend who was a top officer at Publicker He has not called me that he has come to Pa and when I call where he lived in Ca I get the answering machine. I sure hope to hear he is alright and it is not looking good for me to meet him and talk about Publicker or Mr Si Neuman or look at any of his 1940's industrial pictures either. It is my Hope and prayer he is Ok!
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Today at lunch time I talked to Al Landis Jacob G Kinsey's great Nehew and I asked him what He thought happened that Mr Kinsey went out of Bussiness, besides the fact He reopened at age 75 in 1933.

He said the main reason was Mr Kinsey Did not like making Blends and prefered making just Great straight Rye Whiskeys and He could not compete in price.
He Also Told Me Mr Kinsey told them a shot 1 OZ of Good Rye is the Best thing for your Health its full of good stuff and Vitamins.
He also said Mr Kinsey always kept a bottle of Rye in his desk and would have a shot every day!
Finally Al told me that every day from fall 1933 till fall 1939 they would get a load of new barrels from NY a man would drive 4 to 5 hrs every day to bring them then spend 4 to 4 hrs driving back. He could not remember the name of the company or the man. Note Al Landis will be 91 yrs old in Nov
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Jono
08-19-2009, 15:34
Dave, did you ever have the "Kinsey Gold"? (not sure if I asked you before).

http://www.ellenjaye.com/kin_discovergoldadvert.jpg

dave ziegler
08-20-2009, 05:54
No jono I never had a shot of Kinsey Gold I have had the silver from the Bottle Ludy Gave me and it is a very nice Blended Whiskey made with older Whiskeys in the blend but I was told by oldtimers the Gold was really a good blend. Mr Kinsey himself was a straight Rye man and I do not think he did much with Blended's.

I think not sure that Kinsey Blended's were a tribute to him from Continental Distilling although Ludy has said he did some blending for Mr Kinsey so it could be the Gold was started by Kinsey.
Kinsey Gold is the oldest version but I think they mostly blended Liqours back then. I would love to get my hands on a bottle of Kinsey Gold won one once 1943 bottle on E Bay and they suddenly cancelled the Auction and just said sorry.

The fact he made mostly Straight Rye is one of the reasons that he went out of bussiness as the new blended's were much cheaper to buy and people were switching to them and away from Rye which to me is and always will be the Best! As Al told me he was of the Idea that Rye was the best and the straighter the better.

I can almost see Mr Kinsey now in the morning getting his jiger out pouring his daily 1 oz of Rye for his health!

I hope to talk to Al Landis again soon at the Linfield reunion and try a get some more good information on Mr Kinsey!

I also I was thinking about how Continental always gave us coveralls to protect our Clothes when we were working they like the Coats they gave us were dark green and heavy duty. They kept all the dirt from the Hoops from ruining your shirts and pants. They were zippered so easy on and off they like our Coats and shoes came from the local work clothes store in Pottstown workmans supply long gone now just like Kinsey.

Those as the song says were the days and we did think they would never end and all at once you wake up and its all gone just a memory but a memory of better times and good people.

We never had to worry about wrecking our clothes and it made the job all the better that they took care of you in what ever it took to do the job.

It was in its time and even by todays standards one of the safest cleanest places you could work, as with my job now you don't think about the chemicals as it is safer at work then many other places you could be.

What Better could I ask then to have worked for Continental Distilling / Kinsey as my first real job and finish working for another Truely great Company in Cabot as my last job.
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fishnbowljoe
08-20-2009, 15:25
Dave, Don't forget to post pictures of that PA Distillery 10 sign. If Fricky did anywhere near as good a job on it, as he did on your barrels, it probably looks great. Can't wait to see what it looks like. :grin: Joe

fricky
08-20-2009, 17:13
Joe,
Unfortunately there was little that I could do. Apparently, the sign was pulled from the building which caused the plywood to split. It split in such a way that I could not fit it back together. In addition, the paint was flaking severely. The only thing that I could do was to carefully spray it with laquer and then paint over it with varnish. I am sorry that I could not do more.
Doug

fishnbowljoe
08-20-2009, 18:55
No need to be sorry Doug. You did the best you could. I'm sure the effort is much appreciated. I still want to see the pics. It's all good. See you in a few weeks. Joe

dave ziegler
08-24-2009, 17:22
Joe here is the sign after being laqured! Also here is a scan of some paper work from the plant They were selling new barrel staves to a cooperage company in Ky it was so wide I could not quite get all the far side but as you can see they sold them 19,000 Barrel staves in 1977 made in Marcus Hook at our Barrel Plant!

1. Sign after being saved by laqure to keep the lettering from flaking off
2. Paper work from the plant selling a companyin KY 19,000 Barrel staves

Continental Distilling had many friends in companies in KY and offten sold them things.
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fishnbowljoe
08-24-2009, 19:28
Dave, Thanks for posting the pics. You and Doug saved a piece of Kinsey for history. Nice job. It's all good. Joe

dave ziegler
08-25-2009, 04:01
Thanks Joe does anyone know anything about this Cooperage Company Picture of Bill on #555 page does it still exsist? They were most likely a long term customer as we had many who were. Continental Distillings Cooperage plant was state of the art and had its own school which Ludy went to learn to be a cooper at. It was from what Ludy has told me a very big Plant and it was located in marcus Hook pa.

Ludy Told me they had lots of their Competitors sending people to the school too!

In their time Continental Distilling was one of the most inventive Distillers in the world. They were always in the forefront of inovation be it using used whiskey Barrels for Scotch or Trying Large barrels they were always coming up with different things.

It was Only because of the death of Mr Si Neuman that it all ended so quickly and sadly.
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dave ziegler
08-26-2009, 03:31
Saving the Old Distillery Sign that used to be mounted on DSP-Pa.-12 was a dream come true for me Posted page #555. When I found the Old sign in the rubble Summer 2006 the first thing I thought was to get it out of the pile and positioned so it would not be rained on or have snow laying on it because of the old Paint flaking off.

I had no Idea how I would ever get it out but thankfully I became friends with guys that watch the Plant for the owner and Nov 2008 they brought it out in their Loader to their House where they trimed the bad ends off and then Fricky took it home and Laqered it and now the letters are preserved.

Considering how long it layed there around Late 2002 when the still was knocked down it is amazing it is as good as it is! It is such a great piece of History. I remember it hanging on the Old still when we went in to ring out every night. I am very Thankful I could save it and this winter I hope to go looking again for things to save for History from Kinsey.

This Morning I took a couple of Pictures of my complete sets of Lighting Switch & Pilot Lights from the Plant in my office on my desk and cabinit I will post them tomorrow. I have a total of 11 sets with 13 pilot lights at work and 7 sets at Home.

It was hard work going in and taking them off the walls, and took years and then months getting my Friend at work to wire them but I kept at it to save them for History. One of them is a very Big switch and it is wired to look like it is powering somthing big!
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dave ziegler
08-27-2009, 03:08
Well Here are the Pictures of My explosion Proof Switches and Pilot lights wired like lamps by my friend at work for my office! Since last year when I had to take my Beer can collection home I have been working toward this change in my office. There are 11 sets altogether counting 3 sets at the back. 5 sets on my desk

The last picture is of my old Model cars built when I was young. I found them intack at home and brought them to work to put in front of the Barrel Stave that Fricky did for me for my yrs of Service at Kinsey.

The Barrel stave is in the back ground surounded by my models and pictures of my Favorite English Actress. Also the clock on the right is from my 1952 Chevy Hardtop a friend at work made the holder it is a windup clock and keeps great time!

Note the Big Switch box with the big lever I worked my butt to get that one off the wall in O building and carry it out 1 1/2 miles. Many a weekend morning was spent taking these off walls to save them for History.

All the People in the office really like the Explosion proof lights and the Electrician that did them says he thinks they are most likely a one of a kind thing dreamed up by me. I tell people when they are lit I am in.

In trying to save the History of the Company I have tried my hardest to save everything I can related to daily work at Kinsey and these Explosion proof switches and lights were something I never forgot going in the Old warehouses to rack or take out Barrels you were greeted by them and the Blue Vapors of Aging Whiskey! I will always remember the awesome smell of Whiskey those days as a 19 yr old Kid working there!



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fishnbowljoe
08-27-2009, 15:07
Man Dave, you sure have a lot of neat stuff. I collect stuff too, but nothing like what you have. Joe

Nice pics by the way.

Josh
08-28-2009, 11:51
Well Here are the Pictures of My explosion Proof Switches and Pilot lights wired like lamps by my friend at work for my office! Since last year when I had to take my Beer can collection home I have been working toward this change in my office. There are 11 sets altogether counting 3 sets at the back. 5 sets on my desk

The last picture is of my old Model cars built when I was young. I found them intack at home and brought them to work to put in front of the Barrel Stave that Fricky did for me for my yrs of Service at Kinsey.

The Barrel stave is in the back ground surounded by my models and pictures of my Favorite English Actress. Also the clock on the right is from my 1952 Chevy Hardtop a friend at work made the holder it is a windup clock and keeps great time!

Note the Big Switch box with the big lever I worked my butt to get that one off the wall in O building and carry it out 1 1/2 miles. Many a weekend morning was spent taking these off walls to save them for History.

All the People in the office really like the Explosion proof lights and the Electrician that did them says he thinks they are most likely a one of a kind thing dreamed up by me. I tell people when they are lit I am in.

In trying to save the History of the Company I have tried my hardest to save everything I can related to daily work at Kinsey and these Explosion proof switches and lights were something I never forgot going in the Old warehouses to rack or take out Barrels you were greeted by them and the Blue Vapors of Aging Whiskey! I will always remember the awesome smell of Whiskey those days as a 19 yr old Kid working there!



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Great pictures Dave! I love Josephine Tewson too! :cool:

dave ziegler
08-30-2009, 09:14
Yes Josh they are a few of many of the Pics of Josephine Tewson I have in my office she is a very lovely Person! I am very Lucky to work in a place where they let you have things like my Lights. And every morning I turn all the 11 sets of lights on and then turn on one of my 3 working Tube radio's in my office as always people call my office a musium. I have pictures of Kinsey in front of my desk and I also have around 200 WWII Airplane pictures on the walls and Vintage trucks.

This morning I learned my Old Friend from the Distillery Shorty Tyson who died many years ago's Wife died about a week ago All the Old timers that had alot to do with Kinsey and Continental are dieing off so it is even more important that I get as many pictures and memories up as I can.

Those Lights were the first thing we saw every day we went in the warehouses and they were very important in showing that we Had power when the Light came on or if it was glowing when we went in. With all the explosive fumes you would not dare test for Power and you Had to remove all power from the building to fix anything electric even just a light bulb.

One of the amazing things is when I removed the boxes switches and Pilot lights some of the oringinal 1940's bulbs still worked I have about 3 still glowing in some of my sets.

In the warehouses we had Many fire extingisers and they were checked every month by the company supplying them. Most days when we were dumping we would go to 2 or 3 different warehouses to get the barrels wanted for that days dumping. There as I have said before were always about 8 gangs going to warehouses dumping or racking barrels. Sometimes on 3 different floors we would get barrels out of the racks send them down on the Elevator to the first floor to be dumped if there was a trough there or to the dock to be taken by one of the 1941 ford flat trucks to another warehouse with a trough to be dumped by another gang.

Days went by quickly and it was a very cool place working in the Old Explosion proof warehouses.

We had someone dumping every day there,and the Lead man would have a list of that days serial numbers of barrels to dump. We all had coveralls and gloves and company Flashlights to see back in the rack for finding the right lot of barrels by their serial number.

The company had lists with every single barrel of the 14 million in the plant and which warehouse and floor and rack they were in. The timing of the barrel was most important when you were dumping and that is why our Lead Man Jack got so mad when the guy from the army kept moving the barrels side to side to keep them in perfect line but totally out of time. I never saw Jack get mad once except that day when He told him this is not the Army Line i'm up Louie He called him and you better Never have the barrels out of time like this again!

For the most part we just went in worked talked and went home happy after a days Honest work. Those days were far better then today we all had a common interest in just enjoying our work and getting it done the best we could. And even though we were union for the most part you never would have known it as we all got along and just were thankful for our Jobs.

As I have said before one of our favorite things to do at Breaks was roll dice. We had many a game of it.



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dave ziegler
08-30-2009, 14:59
I am still hoping to hear from someone who knows anything about Bourbon Cooperage company of Lebanon KY I posted a picture of paperwork from US ( Publicker ) selling them 19,000 barrel staves #555 page. Are they still in bussiness? What disitlling industries are near Lebanon KY?

I know we did lots of Bussiness with Distillerys in Ky but it would be nice to know if this company is still operating under a different name maybe!
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boone
08-31-2009, 11:36
I am still hoping to hear from someone who knows anything about Bourbon Cooperage company of Lebanon KY I posted a picture of paperwork from US ( Publicker ) selling them 19,000 barrel staves #555 page. Are they still in bussiness? What disitlling industries are near Lebanon KY?

I know we did lots of Bussiness with Distillerys in Ky but it would be nice to know if this company is still operating under a different name maybe!
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There's a cooperage in Lebanon Kentucky. It's been there a long time and produces barrels for many of the distilleries. Cooperages put their mark on the rivets so folks in the business know where the barrel was made. If it has a M or a K on the rivet, it's made by ISC (Independent Stave Company) aka Kentucky Cooperage.

The guy (left) in the picture (from ISC webpage) is a judge for the barrel rolling competition held during the Kentucky Bourbon Festival.

http://www.independentstavecompany.com/manufacturing

The link :

dave ziegler
09-01-2009, 04:01
There's a cooperage in Lebanon Kentucky. It's been there a long time and produces barrels for many of the distilleries. Cooperages put their mark on the rivets so folks in the business know where the barrel was made. If it has a M or a K on the rivet, it's made by ISC (Independent Stave Company) aka Kentucky Cooperage.

The guy (left) in the picture (from ISC webpage) is a judge for the barrel rolling competition held during the Kentucky Bourbon Festival.

http://www.independentstavecompany.com/manufacturing

The link :
Thanks Bettye Jo that must be the company we sold Staves to in 1977. We always did bussiness with many of the Ky Distillers and Last yr I spoke to Mr Charles Medley about the time He came and bought Whiskey from Continental when they left that part of the bussiness in 1979. He bought Bulk Whiskey Bottled Old Hickory and labels which he stamped over Linfield / Lemont with His town and KY.

Much of It was bottled when he bought that lot and He told me He later sold that Famous brand a couple of yrs later and it has disapeared sadly but I would not want it to come back unless it came back like it was a Premium Whiskey like the 10 yr 86 proof we made. I am drinking most likely the last bottle of that I will ever find. --------Thanks ever so much for the information Bettye Jo ----
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dave ziegler
09-01-2009, 16:28
Well early tonight I met Fricky as He ordered and picked up the glass top for my Continental Distilling Whiskey Barrel and it looks amazing! It is 1/4 inch thick Glass and I took some Pictures of it being used?

Here are a couple of shots of it with My bottle of Old Hickory 86 proof 10 yr that Ludy gave me about 2/3 left and 1/2 a 4/5 Pint of Kinsey Silver that Ludy gave me sitting on an original 1930's Kinsey Coaster. Also with two Old empty Rittenhouse Rye bottles and a shot of the top just showing the glass, the Lettering jumps out at you. I took these with out any flash. This Barrel means more to me then words can say and now I can safely sit a Bourbon or a Beer on a coaster on it and never hurt the Laqer sealed Lettering. The Best part is this Barrel was filled when I worked there in 1971 and I may have Racked it or rolled it!

As I post this I am toasting the Barrel and all Fricky's help and work in finishing it and getting me a glass cover where He got his with a shot of Old Hickory 80 proof which I am almost out of. It was a joy paying him for the glass it is just awesome.



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Jono
09-02-2009, 07:16
Absolutely beautiful restoration Fricky! Dave, those bottle look fantastic...is the Kinsey Silver a low proof whiskey? It appears to be young by the color.

fricky
09-02-2009, 08:19
Thanks for the comments. I was very pleased with how they turned out. It took a lot of time not to mention a considerable amount of sandpaper. Thanks to Dave Ziegler for getting the barrels.

dave ziegler
09-02-2009, 08:41
Jono If I remember correctly don't have the Bottle here Kinsey Silver is a blend of 8 yr old Straight Whiskeys 35 % and 65% the rest Ngs! It is one of the best Blended Whiskeys I have ever Drank.
I had never drank the Kinsey Blended Label till Ludy was Kind enough to give me this 4/5 Pint he had since 1965!

When I was Young If I wanted Blended I drank Philadelphia Blended I still have some left from what Bourbon Joe Gave me 2 yrs ago. It is darker in color and very good but I like the Kinsey Blend better almost tastes like it is high quality straight Whiskey

Makes me wish I could get an Old Bottle of Kinsey Gold as that told me by Ludy was supposed to be Really Good way better yet then the Silver, I think more straight Whiskey in it! I don't think they made The Gold after the 1940's early 1950's were over and they closed DSP-Pa-12 in 1951!

When they Continental Distilling were in bussiness I bought only there stuff long after I left there as I considered all their Whiskey's to be some of the very Best made. And Continental Made just about any spirit you could want at all price ranges and all good quality.

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dave ziegler
09-04-2009, 06:10
Well last night I won a very Old Continental Distilling bottle which is very rare and was one of Their first Brands to come out in early 1934. Patrician Bourbon 93 proof 3 months old was one of the very first.

Patrician Bourbon along with Sweepstakes Bourbon and Blended whiskey were just two of many brand names picked by Mr Si Neuman and His Father inlaw Harry Publicker in 1933 when Prohibition ended. They sat down and decided what names to give brands and what brands that were around to buy the rights to like Old Hickory! They started Continental that year as the Drinking Alcohol division of Publicker Industries and so a giant in the Spirits industry began.

Other early brands Keystone State Rye Whiskey, Cobbs creek, Philadelphia Blended, Rittenhouse Rye, and Old Schcuylkill Choice Rye.

Many Brands names coming from the City of Philadelphia famous places. Mr Neuman's Vision was amazing and He built Publicker Industries into a 5,000 employee fortune 500 company it was his death that brought the Company down. When He died all the vision and ideas left with him.
Other Famous Brands include Linfield Straight Bourbon, Neshaminy Rye, Penn Esquire Bourbon and Ollethorpe club these names coming from an old Company Brand list I have.
On the Bottle the Continental Crest and coat of Arms was.

Purity - Quality - Skill
I have an old Company Pack of matches where it is written on the Logo lines and I truely Believe that was Mr Neumans mission Statement all through the many years 1933 -- 1976 43 yrs that He ran Continental Distilling and Publicker Industries!



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2. Back Label
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dave ziegler
09-09-2009, 09:27
On Monday I took a walk through Kinsey from my friends House across the street. I took a 35 MM Camera with me and I also helped them seal some of the Buildings up! As always young people are going there and just smashing things it is horrible. While I was there I picked up the last of the Old Inver House Red display setups. I am taking one to the Limerick Historic Society this afternoon!

I will Post a picture of one of them soon as I got a spare one for myself. These are highly rare and were used in the early to mid 1960's to introduce Inver House Red Scotch which at that time was bottled in Scotland and brought over in one of our 10 ocean Liners.

I have no doubt that all the ones the state stores had have been in the dump since the early 1960's these were in a case that had never been opened and I put them together! You would set all the Inver House Red Plaid Scotch bottles on them in the store.

It laways hurts to see the ruin in there and Someone had even pulled up one of the Old Metal roll doors on O building so I closed it and bolted it shut.

I wish that the young people would be interested in the History of the place not ruining it.

Looking at the weeds growing everywhere and broken windows I still in my mind can see my friends working in my memory and those exciting days so long gone.

The Old Metal roll door went down like it was brand new The guys that watch the place and I tried some of the old valves on the Water Distilling room and they still turn freely!

I just wish that someone would save the Old Warehouses but for that to Happen the guy owning it would have to sell it and I think he enjoys letting it rot as He has not even stopped there since last summer.

Kinsey is just waiting for someone with some brains to make the Warehouses into Condo's The old Front buildings are doomed but the warehouses could be called the Condo's at Kinsey Distillery and you could build some apartments and Houses and call them the Homes at Publicker way! You could name the warehouse condo's after things Like Dsp -pa 12 Condo and the Continental Condo. But no one with Money thinks of these things.

When The still was still standing You could have made the Old Buildings into a living History musium. I wish so many times that I could have been rich back then and got the place from him so He could not destroy it by Leaving it in 1986 to rot! He closed it that fall shut everything down and has left it rot all these yrs while paying $400,000 a yr in taxes on it.
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Jono
09-09-2009, 11:24
Unfortunately with the real estate collapse no development is likely for a long time. An artist colony would flourish with the space needed for sculpture, casting, pottery, painting etc.

dave ziegler
09-11-2009, 13:00
Well Tomorrow is the Yearly Linfield Reunion and there are still a few people that worked at Kinsey that come. Ludy and Jack can't because of Health But my old Friend Al Landis, Jacob G Kinsey's great nephew will be there.
Each year I try to take something to give out to remember Kinsey and this year I am taking some nice printer copies of 4 Old Kinsey Ads I made from the Original Ads I have and also some regular Paper Pictures of the Areial shot of Kinsey in 1940. I was able to print them on the copier from my work computer and they are nice! I did 40 of them and 44 pictures of Ads to give out.

The first years I went there it almost like a Kinsey reunion but time and death have taken there toll and there are only a few that worked there coming but lots of Old Timers that Had family that worked there and they are all very Much still proud that Kinsey was there back then and sad that it is gone.

My 35mm camera pictures turned out Ok when I walked there Sunday and I will post a couple after I scan them onto my computer. Helping the guys lock up the Warehouses I found an Old Matlack blue print for a tank truck Publicker was having made back in 1956. It was a Mack B-61 tractor Semi and tanker most likely the very one that ended up junked there in one of my pictures before they tore the still down there was a Pink color Mack B-61 sitting next to the bottling house.

I also got a couple Of Old Inver House Point of sale Liquor store setups from 1964 and gave one to the Historic Society in Limerick to go in the Linfield section with the other Kinsey stuff I have donanted.

The Building where I got the two barrels for Fricky and I now has its roof leaking so the rest of the barrels are going to be doomed soon as sitting in water.

The Old Philip Singer Bottle machines in O building look like they are standing guard over the piles of Bottle caps the Kids have dumped from boxes. And The weeds are climbing worse then ever this year because the Owner is to cheap to pay for the place to get mowed.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-12-2009, 18:57
Today I went to the Linfield Reunion and met many People that Had worked at Kinsey! The One Lady Had worked over 20 years in the Bottling House and she brought her Photo album of Pictures taken in the big Bottling House back in the day. Wow she had all the News paper Pictures and write ups about the Plant through its many years and stories in the paper about it closing.

She had also worked in the Old Kinsey Bottle House and she called it the happpy House because they had many a drink when they were over there! She also told me I was Completely right they did make all the Liquors there in the Old Kinsey Bottling house and she Loved our Amarreto Lolita. She and some others told me if I ever find a bottle of Continental Black Berry Brandy I will really Love it I Have never had that one.

I asked if I could get some copies of the pictures with the Bottling Lines and she said some time I could she is also going to join Here to look at the stuff about Kinsey. She had a picture of one of the Lines filled with Philadelphia Blended going down it

She had some great Photo's in the Local News paper of the Plant with trucks and people there. She was in charge of quality in the putting on of Labels and Tax seals and she told me alot about it.

Also today Ludy Turned 91 years Old! I called Him tonight to wish him a happy birthday. Also some more good news I was able to get my Friend on the Phone who was a top person at Continental and He is ok and still plans to come out this year for a month or so in the fall from Ca. He said he wants to meet as many former people that worked there as He can in the time He is Here and He had lost my Phone Number but now has put it in his Book and will be calling me soon. He also told me he is in the Process of Writting a Book about what Happen to Continental Distilling after Mr Neuman died that brought it to its end.
Dave Z
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Jono
09-12-2009, 19:18
Dave,

What exactly is the Linfield Reunion? Is it former Kinsey /Continental/Publicker workers who get together or is it a community gathering?
Glad to hear your friend is working on a history.

dave ziegler
09-13-2009, 14:09
First Jono the Linfield reunion is a get together of anyone who ever lived in Linfield and because Kinsey / Continental Distilling was for many years the biggest empoyer in Limerick township there were many people who lived in Linfield that worked at one time or another for Kinsey through its History!

I go every year because I worked at Kinsey and know very many people and was asked if I wanted to go years ago. I live in Limerick Proper about 3 Miles from the plant.
Today I had some really Beautiful weather to take a walk at Kinsey and went to my friends house across the street to walk in with my digital camera and also a 35 MM camera. I have posted many of my pictures I took today on the other two threads and Now I am going to post the rest of the 58 Pictures I took today here on the Memories thread! Here are 37 of the 58 shots. I was also able to get some shots at the very front of the Plant because of parking at my friends house including the only picture I have ever taken of the third house on the plant property out front at the far left side Bill Theodosois lived there awhlie as Plant manager and a couple of boss's from Phila lived there later during the week and went home on the weekends!
Here are the Pictures
1. The old foundation here was where the Guard house stood when I worked there.
2. Spot the Guard House is now
3. Controls inside the Guard House
4. Old Drive way in river side of the Plant
5. What was the Empoyee Parking lot when I worked at Kinsey
6. Front Gate into Plant
7. Old Grain Drying building
8. 9. 10. Rooms in the Old Plant Maintaince Barn which was built by Jacob Kinsey note the Heater hanging from the cealing and the cardboard to keep the heat in on the cealing
11. One of the Old Yard Gang Mowers sitting there
12. Bricks and weeds where the Old Kinsey Office Building sat
13. 14. Platforms in Old Kinsey Rye Barn Dsp-pa-10
15. Staircase in Old Kinsey Rye Barn
16. Looking from Kinsey Rye Barn to the Barn Maintaince building on Left and Dryer Building on the right
17. Stair well in front to the roof looking down from the roof Warehouse N
18. Explosion proof switches on dock Warehouse K
19. One of the two 1/2 Million gal storage tanks
20. Both 1/2 Million gal storage tanks looking from the dock of Warehouse J
21. Front stairwell of warehouse
22. K warehouse in the Sun
23. O Building Government Building & Warehouse in the Sun
24. C warehouse in the Sun
25. Fire Escape Warehouse C
26. looking down through at the Warehouses
27. One of the Last Warehouse signs left
28. Another Fire escape with Little porches to the stair well
29. Front Water Tower
30. At this door to the Maintaince area of the Bottle House is where Mr Neuman came in and talked to Ludy way back in the day!
31. 1965/66 Bottle house on left warehouses L,C and O on right
32. Grain drying Building leaving the plant & Silo
33. Copalo on top of the grain prep building which was conected to the old DSP-Pa-12 back then. The Old Tunnel we took break in was down between them.
34. This is the Only Picture I have ever gotten of the third Company House as it is out front far left side facing the front and I always used to come in the plant by the back fields till now.
35. Old Publicker Packaging Service sign out front
36. Front from road of the Old Warehouse E Fire safety room
37. One of the two driveways into the plant at the front this one on the river side of the plant from the road

I had a great time walking around the Plant and remembering the Old days. I posted 58 Pictures total on the 3 threads and found another Old Light bulb also. The Old Kinsey Bottle House is in very bad condition and I do not think I will ever get more pictures of it lots of water on the first floor and the whole second floor fallen down.

I wish I could take everyone who looks here back to the Plant back in the old days. People were talking at the reunion about how clean and perfect it used to be just like a park no weeds and lots of trees and flowers and it made me proud to think I was a part of that yard gang for 2 years of my 5 years there!
Dave Z
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Josh
09-14-2009, 08:17
Those are some great pictures Dave. I especially like that one of the warehouse sign with the grapevine growing over the top.

dave ziegler
09-17-2009, 08:47
Yes Josh the weeds and the Vines are taking Kinsey over. But back in the day Kinsey and the Kinsey brand where Highly thought of. I am now posting two Night pictures of A Bill board for Kinsey Blended Whiksey on Times Square NY two different designs during 1947 the year I was born.
The Kinsey brand was a big seller in New York State and really a Big Seller in New York City.

I can say from having drank it myself That it was a delightful Blended Whiskey and very flavorfull Especially the 86 proof Blend. Today Most People have never heard of it. Publicker / Continental Distilling did allot of advertising on all their products And The Kinsey Brand and Old Hickory were two they advertised The Most.

Also Our Haller's County Fair Bourbon BIB and Philadelphia Blended were advertised allot. The Kinsey Blend like Old Hickory Bourbon was a blend that was only used in Kinsey Blended just as The Old Hickory Bourbon Recipy was not used in any other Bourbon it had its own mash bill wish I had That Mash bill.

All these years later I can still speak with pride in our Products as I always felt Ours were the best of The Best! Old Hickory is exciting in your Mouth and will always be my choice if I can find it. If I knew things would happen like they did I would have bought Cases and cases of Old hickory.

I had an interesting talk with a man at the Linfield reunion Last Saturday.

He said back in 1961 He bought a Quart bottle of Linfield Bourbon in just like today a closeout sale as Pa state store was not going to carry it anymore sound familar, any way he put it on his Fireplace mantle and one day he looked up and saw it was empty, he asked his wife and she said she tried it Loved its flavor and and ended up drinking all of it through a period and she said It was to Dam good to just sit there it was a wonderful Bourbon. I got a kick out of that but also for many years I have looked for an empty Linfield Straight Bourbon bottle for my collection and have yet to find one.

I think in todays world Our products would still be considered some of the very best the company had a policy to keep prices down so the common man could aford them. Yet no short cuts were taken! Theres one more of Our Products I hope to try someday and that is Kinsey Gold Blended I never had that one.
Thanks to Ludy I had the Silver and was able to talk about it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-17-2009, 11:37
Here are two more Kinsey Blended Whiskey Pictures to go with the two I posted on #578. Also An Old Publicker Antifreeze ad

1. A ad for a clothes drive for WWII 1945 with Kinsey Sign in the background in Times Square
2. An Old Post Card Of Times Square with Kinsey on the Bill Board
3. An Old Ad for Our biggest selling Antifreeze from the Late 1930's
As I said on the thread before this when I posted two other Times Square Pictures Kinsey Blended was very highly known and drank in NY City!
Dave Z
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boone
09-21-2009, 06:33
Here are two more Kinsey Blended Whiskey Pictures to go with the two I posted on #578. Also An Old Publicker Antifreeze ad

1. A ad for a clothes drive for WWII 1945 with Kinsey Sign in the background in Times Square
2. An Old Post Card Of Times Square with Kinsey on the Bill Board
3. An Old Ad for Our biggest selling Antifreeze from the Late 1930's
As I said on the thread before this when I posted two other Times Square Pictures Kinsey Blended was very highly known and drank in NY City!
Dave Z
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Uncle Everett distilled at Kinsey for awhile....

I was going through some of his stuff today and noticed this ad. :grin: published in 1936...

fricky
09-22-2009, 08:01
Betty Jo,
It is very interesting that your uncle Everett distilled at the Kinsey Distillery. Do you know the time frame when he was there? Dave mentioned in a prior message that some whiskey was made there for Michter's. Maybe he was there at that time.
Doug

dave ziegler
09-22-2009, 12:41
I talked to Ludy about this at Lunch time today and he said many People came there to have Whiskey Distilled mostly Rye the year of the Ad Bettye Jo posted. And Ludy said many people from NY state came regularly to have Whiskey Distilled and Bottled. 1936 was Ludy's first Year at Kinsey working for Him. And he is to old to remember much more but is willing to Bet that Everett got together with Horace Landis master Distiller at Kinsey and got what he wanted in material grain and ran the still to make what it was he wanted to at Kinsey they did mostly Rye Whiskey then as the ad says. He said he remembered well the Old Ad Kinsey put out. And Mr Kinsey always followed the great Distillers of that day and Knew them all for the Most part himself being a master Disitller.


I am posting a Picture of Kinsey Stock from the Year 1937 here. It would be late 1939 that Jacob G Kinsey would lose his Distillery in Linfield on the River and go bankruped.

I would not be surpised if Mitchters had Whiskey Distilled for them at Kinsey then by Everett as he was one of the best and as they had a relationship with Continental in the later years. So Everett had a relationship with Mr Kinsey most likely and started it all.

Summer a year ago I spoke to a lady right near Mitchter and she had worked in their Boottling house she was an Old Lady and she said to me some of the Best Whiskey they sold came from Continental Distilling!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-23-2009, 06:19
One of the most Ironic things about Kinsey is that after Continental Distilling bought Kinsey is the fact that Kinsey Blended Whiskey already famous became one of the most prolific Blended Whiskeys in sales and fame. It is Ironic because Mr Kinsey did not even like Blends he made them but his heart was always with Straight Ryes and he distilled mostly them.
His Great nepew Al Landis my friend going to be 91 always tells me Pop ( Mr Kinsey ) did not Like Blends He always said a shot of Good Rye will keep you healthy and it is the best thing in the world to have one every day!
AL told me on any given Morning at the same time Mr Kinsey would open his desk drawer get out His shot glass and Pint of Kinsey Pure Rye and pour one shot and drink it. Al said one time he said to Him if you do not get to carried away Whiskey will help you live allot longer and being born in 1858 He did great Living to be 94 in the year of 1952.

Al said Mr Kinsey would tell Him there are all kinds of Good things like Vitamins and minerals in a shot of Good Rye that help to keep you in good health well I don't know about that, I think he had a good idea about that shot of Good Kinsey Pure Rye Every day. Wish I had an Old Bottle of that!
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dave ziegler
09-28-2009, 06:21
This Sunday at 11:00-Am I was able to go to the Plant with my two friends that keep things locked up and they went in the 1966 Bottling house to check to see if the doors were still locked inside.
While they did that they gave me the run of the building for 25 minuets to take pictures. I was able to get about 106 usable pictures of Lines tanks pumps and setups.
I was going to post some from a disc I made last night at work today. However my Computer is refusing to read the disc so I will have to do them at Home I guess.

Last Night I spoke to Sandy who worked for Continental Distilling and worked 20 years in the 1966 bottling house being in charge of many different things there and also in the warehouses and the Old Kinsey Bottle House. She has been checking out the pictures here and has given me the Exact date the Bottling House opened and It turns out I was right it did not go completly operational till 1966. She said the exact date it started was Sept 12,1966.

There were 11 Lines operating just as I have said. She has given me in just one phone call lots of Information that is very Interesting. And Sandy knows more about the Bottling houses then anyone now living so her help is really a great thing.

One very interesting thing was that she told me the last Line was Line F it was powered by an early Generation Computer and did Quart Bottles. She said it could by itself Fill and Label 20,000 Quart bottles a day. She said it was an amazing thing to watch it operate back then.

I also found out that Line A-1 did Pints, Line C did 1/2 pints and Line G did only Scotch. I got some great pictures with lines that say Chiller and a tank that says for Scotch only.

I had a great time in there and got lots of Line and pipe line pictures for those interested in how the Lines ran. I went up on one of the tank platforms and also got a couple of shots of the giant area where they stored the finished cases of whiskey. Like Sandy and Myself many people got real good jobs when the Bottling house opened in 1966 and Sandy's Father also worked For Publicker there all his life.

I also got some amazing stuff to create things with which I will post when they are done I assembled them yesterday and brought them to the Plant electrician this morning.

I got a complete sealed Explosion proof light housing in great shape and mounted an explosion proof switch on the bottom of it Paul is going to wire it like a lamp and My other friend in shipping is going to build a base for it and it will become a corner lamp next to my collection.

I also was able to get two double switch Boxes and and two pilot lights I put them together and when he is done the left switch will turn on the right light and the right switch will turn on the left one just for Fun.

I got the parts in Warehouse 38 the last one down, the Pilot Lights came from the second and third floors and these are about the last real nice looking ones left. The one switch and cover are from of the Old Bottling house in its memory and I will take a picture and post it when done as it looks just like some of the setups in the buildings.
I will be posting some of my Pictures here and the biggest part of them will go on the Bottling house thread. I hope to get some up tonight.
Dave Z
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sandiefett
09-28-2009, 16:51
Hi Dave, I looked at the pix you downloaded today (50 of them) but now there is nothing here. What happened. Hope they are not lost. Am looking forward to seeing them plus the other 56 you said you have.

dave ziegler
09-28-2009, 17:12
Hi Sandy I will be posting the other 56 pictures tomorrow ran out of time at work and I can load them so much quicker there. I also have a picture of Times square with Kinsey on top of the Falling New years ball Building from the 1940's I bought a post card and got it today. I have dial up here at home so takes forever. I will post about 40 of them on the Bottle house thread tomorrow and the other 16 here so I can tell people where they are as they tend to look at this thread first! I also feel very sad read your note on the other Thread everytime I go there but if I can keep its memories going I will go there every week as I have some times. I also have taken people on walking tours through there just to tell them about the place.

I am sure it is way harder for you having been there 20 yrs but I always loved that place and my thoughts are always happy when I remember
It is a very sad end to a place that was the Best Bottling Plant in the world back in 1966 and the Best Distilling Company to work for Too! You will never know how many times I have wished I would have stayed there and been there till the end but my Neighbor talked me into going where He was a boss it was a terrible job but when I tried to come back they did not need anyone.

Working at Kinsey was my first real job that paid good and I worked with good people. Glad to see you are checking my pictures out I have a total of between 1,300 and 1,400 on the three threads and I am always trying to find different interesting stuff to take pictures of. When I do I think in my mind of the days back then like you and imagin everyone is still there and all is well. I will be asking you from time to time about stuff that has to do with the bottling house as you know allot more about how things worked in the Bottle house.

It will always be the best Job I ever Had but I am lucky my last job the one I am at now is wonderful also.
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dave ziegler
09-29-2009, 06:20
Well Here we go Here are the last 30 Pictures I was wrong on my count and had only 96 plus added a couple from another time I had never posted for a total on both threads of 100. I posted 50 pictures yesterday on the Bottling House thread, 20 Pictures on the Bottling house thread earler this morning at 6:00-Am. And these 30 Pictures now at 9:00-AM.

Sandy if you see these on both threads today I bet they will bring back some memories to you!

71.Tax seals laying on the wet floor in storage room
72.Old Abandon Bottling Machine
73. Looking at wall to room B starting point in Room A for Lines
74. Looking up at Line above
75.Sign to Room B
76.More Bottling machines and line room B
77.Hangers at wall to Room B locker room note small window on left side only light coming in.
78.Laboratory Door in Bottling
79.Inside the Lab
80.Inside the Lab
81.Lunch Room chairs stacked on tables
82.Candy Machine as I found it open old candy rotted up in it
83. Candy Machine after i closed the door to take this picture
84. Hot Drink Machine
85.Another Shot of the Lunch room
86.& 87.Both sides of the lighting safety sign near Lunch room and Lab date on them is April 1976
88.Old Time Computer in General office
89.Picture of stacks of Never used bottles in Warehouse J
90.More cases that were on pallets stored in Warehouse J falling over after 23 years
91.more cases fallen over
92.Raymond Forklift sitting abandon in warehouse Q the building with the Fire observation room on top
93.Electric switch Control header in Warehouse #38 last one down shows how people have stole wire out of them
94.looking back at Warehouse #38
95.looking Down from Warehouse #38 Weeds and trees are taking the Place over
96.One Last Shot leaving Sunday inside the old Guard shack
97.Post Card I bought and just got yesterday of Kinsey Blended Whiskey Bill board on Times Square 1940's not many Distillers got to be on the building the New Years ball drops on
98.Another shot I had never posted of the Old Computer in the General office in the Bottling house
99.A shot I took a long time back and never posted of the Refridgerator in the Lunch room a lunch bag still waits to be eaten
100.Last Winter Snow on the ground and no weeds looking down the Front Dock of the 1966 State Of Art Bottling House so long you can't see the end.

Doing this is a work of Love but It also kills me seeing the Place Like it is but I try to put my Mind back to the old days and Ludy in the Maintaince working Bud & Pappy working and having fun and Shorty, Charlie, Shanty and many Other dear friends.

PS one last Thing One of the Last of the Old timers and the last Living Maintaince Man in the Plant Frank Kurtus Passed on This past Friday at age 86. Frank was the man that Helped me with my Car when I first started at Kinsey the Alternator went coming to work and he fixed it for nothing for me as He said He knew I would have a hard time paying to get it fixed. I went to work and when work was over He had repaired it right in the Parking lot for me for free! God Rest His Soul He was like all those I have spoke of in these threads a Good man.
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dave ziegler
09-29-2009, 11:30
Here are three shots I took two years ago with my old Digital camera inside the Old Bottling house I never posted.
1. walking toward Room A from room B passing the Lab and Lunch room
2. The very Back most room of the Lab
3.looking at the bulkhead wall from room B to Room A standing near the Lunch room.

More sad pictures when I post sometimes I leave some out thinking they are not good enough and then later I relise they are fine and post them so they are seen.

Be sure if you look at these to go back one to the other 30 I posted before these this morning and those I posted on the Bottle House thread yesterday and this morning early.
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dave ziegler
09-30-2009, 06:00
Well I knew it would happen some day and it did yesterday morning Tuesday at around 8:00-AM. I talked to my friends that keep Kinsey locked up as best they can last night at 8:30 PM and They told me that yesterday morning they saw smoke over there at 8:00-Am they called the Police and the police called the fire company as the younger people have done it again they lit up an old trailer that had some packs of Old Skol Vodka labels and some boxes of airline 10 pack cases for 1/10 mini bottles from Continental Distilling.

Back when I took Fricky and Phils Fan for a tour I made sure to get them and other people I have taken through a couple of things out of it but it sat there open and I knew some day the people who live for only destroying things would do this.

I am thankful that I got a nice amount of what was in it to save for History a yr and a 1/2 ago carrying it 1 1/2 miles out. But what a waste. Instead of taking some for history and having something neat people today would rather destroy I have seen this too many times and it makes me sick about them and the owner who never checks the place.

If it were not for the work of my friends who knows what would happen there and some times The owner does not even pay them anything but they like myself Love the place and try to save and protect it at their own expence many times.

Every time I can I help them lock things up even though it keeps me out also it keeps out people like those who started this Fire. They care about nothing but destroying things.

Oh Kinsey Kinsey What Has Happen to you
When Si Neuman Died You Did Too!
Dave Z
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boone
09-30-2009, 08:29
Betty Jo,
It is very interesting that your uncle Everett distilled at the Kinsey Distillery. Do you know the time frame when he was there? Dave mentioned in a prior message that some whiskey was made there for Michter's. Maybe he was there at that time.
Doug

I'll have to do some looking thru stuff...I'st there, his entire work history but finding it will take a little time. :bigeyes: :grin:

dave ziegler
10-01-2009, 04:08
Well Here we go Here are the last 30 Pictures I was wrong on my count and had only 96 plus added a couple from another time I had never posted for a total on both threads of 100. I posted 50 pictures yesterday on the Bottling House thread, 20 Pictures on the Bottling house thread earler this morning at 6:00-Am. And these 30 Pictures now at 9:00-AM.

Sandy if you see these on both threads today I bet they will bring back some memories to you!

71.Tax seals laying on the wet floor in storage room
72.Old Abandon Bottling Machine
73. Looking at wall to room B starting point in Room A for Lines
74. Looking up at Line above
75.Sign to Room B
76.More Bottling machines and line room B
77.Hangers at wall to Room B locker room note small window on left side only light coming in.
78.Laboratory Door in Bottling
79.Inside the Lab
80.Inside the Lab
81.Lunch Room chairs stacked on tables
82.Candy Machine as I found it open old candy rotted up in it
83. Candy Machine after i closed the door to take this picture
84. Hot Drink Machine
85.Another Shot of the Lunch room
86.& 87.Both sides of the lighting safety sign near Lunch room and Lab date on them is April 1976
88.Old Time Computer in General office
89.Picture of stacks of Never used bottles in Warehouse J
90.More cases that were on pallets stored in Warehouse J falling over after 23 years
91.more cases fallen over
92.Raymond Forklift sitting abandon in warehouse Q the building with the Fire observation room on top
93.Electric switch Control header in Warehouse #38 last one down shows how people have stole wire out of them
94.looking back at Warehouse #38
95.looking Down from Warehouse #38 Weeds and trees are taking the Place over
96.One Last Shot leaving Sunday inside the old Guard shack
97.Post Card I bought and just got yesterday of Kinsey Blended Whiskey Bill board on Times Square 1940's not many Distillers got to be on the building the New Years ball drops on
98.Another shot I had never posted of the Old Computer in the General office in the Bottling house
99.A shot I took a long time back and never posted of the Refridgerator in the Lunch room a lunch bag still waits to be eaten
100.Last Winter Snow on the ground and no weeds looking down the Front Dock of the 1966 State Of Art Bottling House so long you can't see the end.

Doing this is a work of Love but It also kills me seeing the Place Like it is but I try to put my Mind back to the old days and Ludy in the Maintaince working Bud & Pappy working and having fun and Shorty, Charlie, Shanty and many Other dear friends.

PS one last Thing One of the Last of the Old timers and the last Living Maintaince Man in the Plant Frank Kurtus Passed on This past Friday at age 86. Frank was the man that Helped me with my Car when I first started at Kinsey the Alternator went coming to work and he fixed it for nothing for me as He said He knew I would have a hard time paying to get it fixed. I went to work and when work was over He had repaired it right in the Parking lot for me for free! God Rest His Soul He was like all those I have spoke of in these threads a Good man.
Dave Z
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I have been told by Sandie that picture #76 the sixth one on page #587 was Line A-- F line the computer driven Line and It not only did everything but also cased the bottles to. Sandy told me it did everything from start to finish and that they all took turns and switched what line they worked on every day and were very happy when their turn came to be on line F even though they were busy all day it was a mostly trouble free day. Also Line F was completly setup and running when they started on Sept 12 1966. The big panels in the background gray one behind line on wall held the computer controls and the line had a built in packing unit that packed the bottles in the case at the end. It was built by a company in CT and an engineer from that company spent many months showing them all how to trouble shoot and run it. It was the most advanced Bottling line of its time and was very trouble free. Again another inovation from Publicker that was state of Art in its time. Thanks for the information Sandie it really helps!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-02-2009, 09:42
This weekend I hope to get back into the Old Bottle house if possible I want to get some closeup shots of what is left of Line A--F and the control Boxes. I never tire of getting Pictures to show everyone how things operated back then.

Publicker Industries Had a policy of always using as much local Bussiness as they could to suppy them with plant repairs Equipment and needed supplies such as Bottles. Mr Neuman always thought that if you bought local it helped the area that you operated in allot and made things easier to get being they were close for supply. And what was good for the Local area was good for Publickers Bussiness to.

People tend to buy from a company that cares about its area of operation and the people living there. I think that was a very good way to operate and we never had much in the line of plant down time either because of that.
What we needed we could get most times asap.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-06-2009, 06:20
Looking through my many Publicker/Continental Distilling company collections of stuff it amazes me how many things were made by local companies for promotional use .
Example I have an old Hallers county Fair Bourbon Thermometer and When I got it I looked on the back and it was made by a company in Reading Pa 30 miles from the plant. My Old Hickory Clock was made by a company in Reading and many things were made locally for Continental in Phila it was Mr Neumans Policy to use as many local companies as He could and in Talking to my Friend who was in upper management He told me that Mr Neuman always thought that the best thing for a bussiness was to use Local companies for their needs.

For one thing you could aways get in touch with them quickly. Also there was a short distance for shipping lower cost, and you made friends localy which was good for Bussiness, in selling product and by buying locally you where keeping your area prosperous!

As I look back to my days there I remember it was allot of fun working those days. I made life long friends and no day was boring.
As we'd go into fall I remember well in the yard gang: mowing the Lawns and triming everything up for that year one last time, mulching trees, unloading coal and sweeping all the buildings real good!
Then we would get stuff together for snow cleaning and there were all kinds of odd jobes the later it got in the year because Trucks by the dozens and box cars were coming in to take our awsome spritis out for the coming Holiday season. There would lots of stuff to haul down to the dump down back broken glass ect.

We had alot of fun those busy days I was young and strong and could do whatever I needed to on the job and I liked all my boss's I had there very much. And we were treated very good by the company. Then when I went into the warehouses fall was the time we were most busy we would be dumping many barrels and days would fly by like minuets but it was still fun even though it was hard work. I remember bringing barrels down the barrel elevator by the hundreds loading them on the 1941 Ford Flat trucks to be taken to a warehouse with a dump trough one gang would pull them by serial number another gang downstairs would load them on the trucks. And a third gang would unload the trucks and dump them all day.

Looking back it seems so long ago 30 + years yet I remember so many things and look back with such good memories. I so offten wish I could travel back in time to just be there one more time and to be able to see friends long gone like: Shorty Tyson, Frank Kurtus,Lou Stiefy, Charlie Sipler burning out on his old Buggy coming out of the old gain drying building and so many more.
It was the perfect job for me at my age back then and I lament the company being gone!
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My Longest Job Driving truck for PPW. 8 years after I left Kinsey I had a shot of Old Hickory to Celabrate them going out of Bussiness! I truley wish I would have told my Neighbor no to the job that took me from Kinsey but when you are young you learn by your mistakes.
And unlike my truck driving years my days at kinsey were and are some of the greatest times I ever had working!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-08-2009, 05:31
Everyone here that reads my stuff knows how I loved Kinsey and Continental Distilling; well last night I was able to buy something really Awesome to add to my collection about 2 years ago Bourbon Joe gave me something I had always dreamed of an Old Hickory Bourbon Clock.

It was made to look like a barrel Head and it is beautiful. It was one of our Promotion things for bars. I love it and I have wondered if there were any of our 1950's lighting Old Hickory Clocks as I wanted to get one somehow to put above the Barrel head one instead of my Schmidt's Clock well I found and got one yesterday and I will be getting it very soon. Here is a Picture of what it looks like it is even harder to find then the barrel one.

I feel very blessed to have found so many wonderful things for my collection found on line, at the plant a couple of years ago and those I collected many years ago! Add the Wonderful Barrel that Fricky did up for me and I am super Blessed and I have made as sure as I can that these things will go to a musuem some day when I am gone.

This clock was made in Ohio and is elcetric and lights up. We had so many neat promotion things and there are many I have never even seen. At night every now and then I will break out my limited stock of Old Hickory and sit and sip some and enjoy my Preserved for History collection.

When I was in school I had quite a few after school jobs and except for one they were horrible and when I got out early spring I went to work for a construction company about 3 miles from Kinsey.

One day one of the Boss's there was an old school friend whose family ran the company he said to me Dave Kinsey is hiring you will get paid so much better with so much less hard work you should apply and That great day in fall of 1966 I got hired at Kinsey.

It was so different to work for a class company that treated you with respect and paid so good -- Dec 9,1969 $101.20 a week clear!

it is my love for History I could not get enough in school and My love for the Old Place that has lead to my writtings here. And I want to thank those behind this wonderful site that make this site work and operate it.
THANK YOU

It is a great privaledge to be able to record History here about Publicker/Continental Distilling and my Beloved Kinsey Distillery!

It was the people that I worked with there at 19 yrs old and the beauty of the place that made me love it.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-12-2009, 09:56
Yesterday I took a walk around Kinsey and posted some pictures from home of The Black bottling tanks on the Bottling house thread, tonight I will post more there and some plant shots here.

I got good news on my Project of Making the Exposion Proof Light Bulb Housing into a lamp:It is coming along good My friend at work that built me the holder for my Explosion proof Telephone built me a stand so it can sit on a small table going into the Hall when it is done I will post a picture of it!
I got 64 Pictures in the Plant yesterday and was able to get into Warehouse M where I found a couple of Mint Pilot lights for my newly designed Explosion Proof Light set: which will consist of two double boxes two different Switches and two of the rare frog eye type pilot lights the left switch will turn on the right light and right switch will turn on the left.

I will also post that when done I am going to have it in my work office.

I found a real nice Barrel head dated from Oct 3 1963 in warehouse M and have a couple of Pictures I took before I poped it out of the one good end of the barrel and I am going to get Fricky to glue it a bit and lacqur it like he did our Barrels.

I also got a small Explosion proof Light housing which I gave to the Limerick Township Historic Society to put with the rest of the Kinsey Stuff I have donated!
If I can find one more Explosion proof Box I will make up a none powered set for the Historic society also. I am also trying to get them a nice Barrel to save for history.

Everytime I walk there I remember stuff from the old days and some times have the heck scared out of me. I was on the second floor of Warehouse M when suddenly I heard something flying in the open Second floor door I went down the stair well to look and it was young people shooting randomly with a Paint Ball gun made me jump up there. But once they went on I got my two Frog Eye Pilot lights from warehouse M they are the last two nices ones in the plant!

I hope next week to go back just to look for paper work again and whatever turns up that is neat. And I hope again in the future to get back in to the Bottling to get some shots in places I didn't.

I remebered once I was in warehouse M, that it was one of the ones I had gone in allot when I worked there and I have the 1940 wall phone that was mounted on the Elevator There in my Kitchen it works great!

At One time all the warehouses Had call boxes on the dock away from any fumes they have been missing ever since the place closed in 1986. It sure seems weird to me seeing all the High Trees and weeds there having been on the yard gang and having kept everything as perfect as could be.

It also is very Sad loving the Place and the company as I have but things change and places go away. This is all the more why I visit as long as I can. Each trip there is like a trip back Home and even though the People are not there I feel like in spirit they are saying Hi Dave glad to see you. If anyone on the site is ever in the area I will gladly give you a tour through what is left of Kinsey.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-12-2009, 16:38
Here are some of the Plant and warehouse pictures taken on Sunday, it was a very nice day walking around there with lots of nice cool breezes coming from the river as I remember them back in the day when I worked there! Here are 12 Pictures in the plant and warehouses I will post the other 22 tomorrow night!
1.Old Broken Barrel in Warehouse M
2.,3. Broken Barrel with nice head which I removed and brought home for my collection. I will get my friend Fricky to Lacqer it. Dated filled !0-4-63 Dsp-pa-1 Distilled from Bourbon Mash!
4.More Barrel staves in piles I also got two perfect Explosion proof Pilot lights for my new light setup here on the stair well.
5.More Barrels second floor warehouse M
6.Fork Lifts and charging unit warehouse N
7.Looking up at back of O warehouse
8.Barrel elevator warehouse N
10.Water Distilling unit O building Mr Marshal ran this when I worked there
11.another shot of the water distilling unit O building
12.Looking down at warehouses weeds growing up high everywhere.

Everytime I go to Kinsey I hate leaving it is like leaving home not knowing if you will ever get back there!

It is like saying good by to an old friend you will never see again and I remember those great days of yesteryear working there at 19 years Old!


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-13-2009, 17:31
Here are the last 22 of my Plant pictures from Sunday!
1.,2. Inside Warehouse J fallen full cases of new bottles
3. Warehouse J in the sun
4.Tank area of Warehouse P
5.Scale sign on tank in warehouse P
6.Gal sign on tank in warehouse P
7.Another Tank in P building
8.another tank in P
9.Looking through fence to dump trough and tank area P
10.Set of old Barrel rack rails that were never hauledd out after being cut P building
11.looking from distance at Tanks and dump trough warehouse P
12.Top of Tank in P warehouse
13.Caffe Liquor labels laying on the second floor
14. Old Bottling Machine Building P
15.Another Old Bottling Machine P building
16.Controls of the bottling machine
17.18.19.20.21.22.Brand new cases never used in piles falling over after 23 yrs!
There are so many tanks and Bottling Machines and never used cases of Bottles it is amazing and very Sad! Second to last Picture is pile of boxes that say Publicker Distillers last boxes used when the Continental name was gone and they were leaving the Drinking spirits bussiness used Publicker Distilling.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-15-2009, 05:57
Last evening a Young friend of Mine that works at the place I buy Beer gave me something awesome a full Pint of Continental Distilling Old treasure 12 yr Old blended in Belgium whiskey it states on the Bottle every drop of this Whiskey is at least 12 yrs old! It was in his fathers bar and his dad did not want it also a full bottle of Our Famous Embassy Club Canadian he gave me my choice of either one and I took the Old Treasure! The Bottle date is 67 for 1967 which means I was just 20 when it was filled in the 1966 bottle house and working there.



It was shipped over on one of our 10 Ocean liners and bottled in Linfield on this Bottle label the early ones were done in Phila like the old 1/2 pint empty one Ludy gave me.

This is one I have dreamed of trying and I have never seen any for sale anywhere. There is a story behind this bottle as My Friend lives right across from where my old Friend John that worked at kinsey did so It could well be possible it came home with John from work.

And when in the last 20 yrs of his life: as John told me many yrs ago when I met him at the doctors he could not handle drinking and control himself and completely quit and may have given it to my friends father as they have no clues where the bottles came from except they are Vintage!

I will raise a toast to John when I taste it He lived to be in his 80's and did not drink for over 20 yrs when I saw him and I was so glad to see he was ok then which was about 7 yrs ago.

Sadly both his Kids died long before him and only his wife is still living!

It was John I would get Whiskey for and help out of the Plant during the years I worked in the warehouse. I always tried to keep him from drinking to much and it was John who always gave me his great Lunches as he never ate his lunch back then.

I am sick right now with a sinus infection and starting a new Ulcer Med as my old one quit and made me sick with stomach pain so when my new one kicks in and I can taste I will be tasting it!

I have no doubt that it is something special as we never imported stuff unless it was really good espcially Straight Whiskey!

Question is there anyone out there that reads here that remembers Old treasure 12 yr old Whiskey?

Once again I am brought back to some memories of the old days at Kinsey and the many people I worked with as a young 19 year old Just out of School.

I will post a picture of the bottle tonight most likely. For the most part those years were wonderful for me and I wish everyone who reads these stories could have worked there just for a bit to see what a great company it was and what a great place it was!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-16-2009, 17:08
Well my Old Hickory Bourbon clock came into work by UPS today and here are two pictures of it with the Barrel one Bourbon Joe gave me and one with some of My Kinsey / Continental Distilling Collection! I have tried to get whatever I can for History from Continental Distilling and have it written in my will that it all must go to Museums for History so every time I find something it is more perserved for Company History and I am getting there!.

1.Old hickory Clock top
Old Hickory Barrel Clock given me by Bourbon Joe it runs wonderful all I had to do was rewire it. Thanks again Joe it was wonderful of you to give me it!
2. Pic clocks with my Framed Tax Stickers signs from Explosion Proof Warehouse P & My Framed and matted Mash bill from Mar 1951 and framed Picture of Kinsey in 1936. Also below the clocks my Hallers County Fair thermometer. And above the bottles my Original never cancelled Kinsey Stock Cert!


These things are a joy to me as they speak of the old days and my Friends Long gone and help to tell the story of a great Company that is no more. I forgot to take a picture of my Bottle of Old Treasure and will do that tomorrow and post it I have not tried it yet as still very sick with Asthma and now taking Antibiotics for my Sinus infection which is going into my chest so just trying to get better.

It looks like we are to have nothing but heavy rain this weekend so looks like I won't get to Kinsey this weekend but as soon as I can will get back there for more pictures and whatever turns up.
Dave Z
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smokinjoe
10-16-2009, 17:26
Man, those old barrels and barrel staves would make for some great kindlin'! You'd have a rip roarin' fire going in seconds, I bet. Dave, you should load those up, bundle them, and sell them. Do you know how much good fatwood sells for these days?

dave ziegler
10-18-2009, 15:21
Well as promised here are the two exciting things my friends found and brought to me as I took pictures in the 1966 Bottling house!

dave ziegler
10-18-2009, 15:49
Well here as promised are the pictures of the great things my friends found while I took pictures and gave me!
Pictures 1 through 4. a bottle of Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof 3/4 full and an odd bottle as label says Rittenhouse Rye 10 years Old 80 Proof Bottled in Bond? Top of seal says export.
I made sure that the seal was still fast on the one side then took it inside the house sealed the other side and opened it and Had a shot of some really smooth rich Rye
Smells of fruit and Wood
Taste of very sweet wood and fruitness to it and it is very sweet in taste and a delightful Whiskey wish there were more the only bottle of Whiskey that I have gotten there I had found a couple of Bottles of Scotch one time but never a bottle of rye. It was on a low shelf in Maintaince and laying on its side so I guess some of it just vented out. it is clear and clean and delious.
5. This is another bottle I found in the bottle house years ago it was emplty but wanted you to get another look at the strange thing of BIB whiskey at 80 proof 10 yrs old!
6.7. Old never opened in box Promotional Inver house Plastic Half bottle Pen set for desk they found it dumped in a old box.
8. Explosion Proof Light housing for a very Big Light
9. And Last some Alabama Tax stickers I found in an old office room.

What an awesome day for me and I ended up having a shot and half of the Rittenhouse Rye 80 proof!
Does anyone know anything about a BIB being only 80 proof could this be because it is for Export?
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-20-2009, 08:55
There is never a time that I don't have all kinds of Happy and sad thoughts when I go back into Kinsey, and for me it is fitting that I am friends with the fellows who keep the place locked up so people don't get hurt there!

It opens the door for many Pictures I could never have gotten and sometimes some great surprises! Like the Bottle of Rittenhouse Rye they found and gave me, or the awesome Inver House Promotional Pen Set! Both posted earlier on this thread.

But there is also great sadness in thinking of all the great people that worked there looking at the Old Calender posted in the Upstairs bottle House office with vacations marked out for the year 1985. And the Calender turned to Sept 1986. The end of the Operations at Kinsey after 94 years so quickly that the coffee Pot in the picture in the office on the Bottle House thread has supplies waiting to make the next work days coffee!

Names Long gone come back quickly Like Walter Harrington, Bonda and always Mr Si Neuman the great man who kept it all going till he died in 1976.

It took 10 yrs but the once he died it was all down hill very quickly. Mr Neuman was always the voice of reason and the driving force that kept things going and He was always wanting to make sure as he said to my friend who was a top officer in the company I have talked to that he wanted to keep his People as he called the workers to be at work and doing good!

Mr Neuman was a very Good Person and a person who always looked for inovation. Back In the day Publicker Industries led everyone in the Industrial alcohol and Drinking Spirits Industry.

I try with my pictures to piece together what it looked like back then and what it was like to be one of the Lucky people to work at Kinsey!

Here are some of my Pictures from Sunday outside and stuff found and also I decided To Post the Old Time Clock area in the 1966 Bottle House here as with all the equipment pictures I have yet to post the Time clock area might not be noticed on the Bottle house thread. I have about 60 pictures yet to post on the bottle house thread this week yet! The Time card area was in Room B of the 3 big rooms.

1.Walking into The Plant to meet my friends Sunday if you look to the Left side the bottle house is almost covered with trees and weeds to the point you can hardly see it.
2. Here is a rack holder to keep the barrel in place there are few of these left as people took them for scrap metal
3. Inventory Papers for Dec 31 1984 for Publicker Industries
4.The Last Broshure ever put out by Publicker then called Publicker Packaging services and its matching Envelope
5.6.7.7. Pictures in the 1966 Bottling house of the day shift Time card racks for In and Out then a shot of the time card racks for second shift and finally The Time clock that Hundreds of People ran in and out of for 20 years. As I took these 4 pictures I had great sorrow in my heart and thought about all those Happy people who lost their jobs and never came back to Kinsey!

I posted the time card racks so you could see how many people worked in that building and as a tribute to them and their work all those years. And I posted them on this thread to make sure they were not lost in all the Bottle House Pictures I have yet to post.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-22-2009, 11:28
Just looking at the Pictures of the time Clock in the thread before this one bring so much back to me the clock is exactly the same one matching the one that was in the Old DSP-PA-12 they used the same kind of card also. it makes me think back to standing at the clock feeding the fish in the Old Cyprus Wood Fermenter there.

We would throw loaves of bread into the tank and giant fish would jump up to get something to eat. There were carp,suckers and lots of other types the old timers caught them at the water inlet from the river near the rail bridge. They would birng them up to the still and put them in Number #1 Fermenter Tank next to the time clock and we would feed them while waiting to ring out. It could hardly believe it the first time I rang out!

Another memory is Of my Old Friend William Haring his nickname was Bookie and just about every day he would go out at lunch to an old store about 1 1/2 miles from the plant that sold Hamburgers and sandwichs it was called Shers well Bookie would take bets we placed on Horses over at lunch and if we won the next day he would pickup our winnings. Who says we only drank at work!

There were always the Christmas Cheer Basket tickets and of course the Kinsey Benifit Fund tickets year round the money made went into a fund to help people at work that were out sick or hurt! And the Old Linfield Fire House had tickets all the time to and we had our Union meetings there.

The More I look back the more I love the old place. It was something special to get a job there in sept 1966 as I did and so many more people too with the bottle house opening up. Please check out the Pictures I posted on the Bottling House Thread I posted all the rest of the ones I took on Sunday today and yesterday there.



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dave ziegler
10-23-2009, 12:27
One thing I am always surprised about is how few empty or Full bottles of Our Products I find here in Pa where they were made. I have come to the conculsion that one we were so big people did not save our bottles for collections and two our Products were good enough that not many are still around sitting in dust in homes with Product in them.

I never bought anything but Our Products when I worked there and afterwards either for the most part as I always thought Our Whiskey's were the best of the best!

I was aways proud that I worked there and through the years offten thought about the place after My Mother died I heard that you could get in there and that is how I got back in 2004 fall!

I wish I would have gotten in sooner as I could have gotten lots of Pictures inside the DSP-PA 12 had I known it would go by the wrecking machine.

But now as Long as I can find interesting Historic stuff I will keep at it and I will as long as I can take my walks through, there is no nicer place to take a peacefull Walk!

Working there was like going going into a National Park with the way the grounds were kept and all the flower Beds. Also things were kept clean and uncluttered. It is so sad to see her in the state she is now.

I really loved working the Yard gang and there were all kinds of things to do every season, and I can't tell you how many times there would be cases of product that crashed and had to be taken down back to the dump in the old blue 1947 Ford Pickup. On one side of the dump sat many Old Cars and trucks from the 40's and early 1950's that had complety quite and were pulled down there, then the broken glass and dirt swept up from sweeping the floors of the buildings. In the winter we swept every warehouse out one by one each floor. Then we would do the Fire stair wells they were really dirty and sometimes had dead birds in them.

I had free run of the whole plant and had been in every building at one time working there so that is why I know as much as I do of the makeup and workings of the Plant.

When I worked there as I said before even though the still had shut down many years before they kept things except for the One fermenter tank with fish in it at the ready as far as Power and sprinklers and being Clean.
I remember sweeping around the floor between the fermenters well and even sweeping the small wood walkways in the Old Wood & Brick warehouses.

I was always amazed at how good we took care of the Plant and everything in it. About 4 years before the Plant closed they had just put a new roof on the Old House down by the river and a new slate one on the Barn. Investigating I found out why the Barn roof fell in on 2007, it was fine untill someone came in through the fields with a power saw and stole large sections of the large old solid Beam that held the Barn roof and winter 2007 It fell in from the weight of Snow. A very sad thing for me to see.

So sadly things pass and Kinsey passed at 94 yrs but what is left will always be photo and talked about by me till my time comes to pass!
Dave Z
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Jono
10-23-2009, 12:50
Dave, your fondness for Kinsey reminds me of sailors who recall their ships..always with a gleam in the eye and proud to have served...especially ships involved in major actions. You need a cap with a Kinsey logo and the years it operated etc. like the U.S. Navy caps you see veterans wear.

dave ziegler
10-24-2009, 20:07
I never thought about that but I would love to Have a Cap Or Jacket that said Kinsey Distillery Juno! Here is something My Friends found for me the other day the Only one of its Kind in the whole Plant I will have to Get Fricky to put the 2 Halfs together somehow. And Then Laqur It, A Yellow 1969 Inver House Distillers Barrel Head It had to be one that was made over there aged there and then shipped Here as the ones we sent to be refilled were always painted over with white then stenciled. I could not believe my eyes when they gave it to me! The ones we sent also said Continental Distilling this One only says Inver House Distillers LTD Airdrie. Also says Product of Scotland 1969 I had worked there 3 years by then.

Also My friend from the beer distributer I get all my Beer from gave me this full Pint of Old Treasure 12 yr Old Whiskey from Belguim It was a blend of different 12 year Old Straight whiskeys and was shipped here and Bottled in Linfield at Kinsey.

I had never drank any and knew nothing of it till Ludy gave me an empty Bottle last year and Now I have had a shot I found it to be a Very Good Straight Whiskey and very Flavorfull. It was my friends Dads and he did not drink straight whiskey so it sat in his bar cabinet for many years the bottom says 67 for yr 1967 and the Label says Linfield Lemont IL.
I would have been working there one year when it was bottled and turned 20 that year!

I am very Lucky to Have friends that get me things from the Old days and I still love to walk around Kinsey just for the memories!
Here are the two Pictures
1. My Barrel Head
2.,3.,4. My Pint Bottle of Old Treasure
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dave ziegler
10-25-2009, 15:32
Well Today I took a 2 1/2 hr Fall walk through Kinsey and took a whole roll of 35 MM film and 50 some shots which I will post some of. But right now I want to post the other 3 Barrel Heads gotten for me because I have never seen any like them there and also a closeup of the bourbon Head from 1963 I got 2 weeks ago in warehouse M it was the only one there in the end of a broken barrel which I posted a picture of last week.
1. This Head is going to my Friend Don it is lettered like the yellow one I am keeping and Fricky is going to put back together except that one is a 48 Gal and this one and the other two Scotch Barrels heads are 120 Gal.

I am giving Don this one for all the times I did not have a cell phone and he went with me so I would not fall down and get hurt or something. And after I had been sick and almost died and I was determin to go there He went with me!

2.,3. These are the two 120 gal Scotch Heads I am giving Fricky a choice of one as He fixes things for me and I could never fix things made of wood without His help. I am figuering He will take the unsual yellow one with a bung in it but he has the choice I will keep the other as I do not have anything like these either. Even in my years working there I do not remember these type.
4. This is the 1963 Bourbon Head I took out of a broken Barrel Laying on the second floor of Warehouse M, two weeks ago I posted the Picture of it in the barrel the last week and the Yellow 48 gal Scotch Head Fricky is fixing for me is on the post Yesterday just before this post.

I will post some of my Fall colorfull pictures in Kinsey later this week, I also took 24 35MM Film pictures there today walking around for over 2 hours in the nice clean air with no one to bother me I totaly enjoyed myself just being there.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-29-2009, 09:47
This past Sunday was a very Nice day and I am now going to post some of my Pictures of Kinsey I took on Sunday. Well Here are 8 of the Pictures I took on Sunday I will have a couple more to post later!
1.Back Side Of Warehouse O Government Building fire escape it was totaly different in Looks from the other 13 of them because this warehouse had windows and offices in it and also the break room.
2. Sign on warehouse K one of only about 3 left there.
3. This was the Outgoing Spirits Pipe from the tank area in Warehouse O the Government Building. This pipe traveled down to the 1966 Bottling house.
4. In the trees here are two uprights that held the out going Spirits Pipe these uprights held the pipes going down to the 1966 Bottling House
5. Metering Tank Room the two tanks one of each side held almost 1/2 million Gals each.
6. Inside the little Scale Room
7. Sticker on Scale
8. Quickly Fading sign on one of tanks says 49,922 gal just short of Half a million gal there are two of them.
9.,10.,11. Pictures inside the Water Distilling room in O Building

In many ways Explosion Proof Warehouse O was different then all the other 13. Not only did it house the Government Men, have windows and tankage and pipes going by uprights to the Bottle house after doing Blending there, it also housed The Water Distilling Units and the Lunch and break room and bathroom for the plant. It also had its both stair wells look different then all the others. And Housed Barrels of aging Whiskey on all 3 floors too!

In closing Thngs are slowly going completly to pot at Kinsey and it is very Hard for me to see it happen. I wish I could time travel Back To The Day.

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dave ziegler
10-30-2009, 10:10
Well here are the last of the Pictures I took on Sunday afternoon walking around Kinsey from the front to down back there is allot of room 192+ acres.
Shot 1.Roof of Old 1966 Bottling House had this shot marked wrong this was a roof cooling unit of some sort correcting my writting here, along the back side of the 1966 Bottling house.

2. Here is a shot of one of the Cement Pads where there used to be one of the 11 steer Pens.
3. This is where the road went down to the Kinsey Plant dump, back in the day dozens of old Cars and trucks made their home there once they quit.
4. One of the last of the 3 signs left on warehouses after the vandals have hit the place for many years on Q building that has the fire tower on top.
5. One of the Explosion Proof warehouses with colored weeds taking over
6. The Old 1958 Ford Continental Distilling truck disapearing in the weeds at one of the Old back side of the bottle House small docks.

For me it is always interesting walking around the plant and taking pictures at different seasons. It always it brings memories to my mind.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-02-2009, 06:51
I will not be going in Kinsey in the near future as There is very heavy hunting going on and I do not want to get in the line of Hunting Fire. I found out over the weekend that the Police local and state have gone in because of stray fire near houses there behind the plant. So I will not be going there for a long time. There have been shots even on Sundays even though that is not permitted. And Hunters are not permitted there so I am taking no chances. I can't remember ever seeing so many Hunters around the area.
I have lots of Pictures I can still post that I have taken in the last month.
It always breaks my heart seeing what people have done to Kinsey and when the time comes I can safely go there I will make sure to close any thing I can to keep People from ruining Kinsey any More.




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Jono
11-02-2009, 18:46
Dave, does the site ever come up in the local press / city government etc? Discussions of its future?

dave ziegler
11-03-2009, 05:35
Juno thats an easy one, back in 2000 an outfit took an option to buy the place and build a propane power plant there. Everyone who lived in the area thought this was a trick and it sure was they never came close to getting permission to build the plant and the whole 2 to 2 1/2 yrs all they did was steal what they could while the owner never even checked. They knocked down the most historic Building in the Plant DSP-PA-12. Back then if someone with vision had bought the place you could have made the front into a living History place and the rest as Condos and a nice Park.

However all they did was put up signs working to restore Kinsey telling the township that, while they came in with metal cutting tools and cut every pipe and wire they could. Then they were burning a metal shed out front and caught the Old Kinsey Bottle House on fire and the old House out front.

Then just before they left they brought in a large Loader slamed it into DSP-PA-12 took all the copper and metal they could and sudenly left leaving two fork lifts, a large air compresser for jack hammers and the large old Power Generator that sits across from warehouse R. As soon as they heard they could not build a propane power plant. They also left many Metal cutting tools and a torch.

It was a case of going there under the pretense of building something by getting an option to buy and milking it for a time then pulling out and leaving Kinsey in Ruin as in the first fourteen years Kinsey Sat abandon it was still saveable. These People did all they could to destroy it.

In their so called fixing they opened every upper Explosion Proof warehouse door leaving them open and the buildings open to rain, snow and bad weather and causing the doors to warp and now they can't be closed I have tried many times to close some of them. And now they are wet and the roofs leaking and all because of Lieing People who wanted One thing just money and nothing else.

Next in 2007 We had a supervisor who wanted the tax payers in the township to front 20 million dollars to buy it and then give it to someone to build a trash to steam plant.

The trouble there was the Tax payers did not want that at all and the Supervisor was also under the table making deals for his bussiness that he worked for He left in shame from the board of supervisors and Kinsey stayed the same which I would rather see her sit then have someone go there and knock every single thing down and end the History of this famous place.


So that is the History of the Place from year 2000. It closed in year 1986 in Sept and when it did it everything was in very good shape but the owner just did not care to stay to try and rent things out He just shut everything Off and walked away now for 23 years This is what kills me.

Why didn't he sell it to someone who could have saved everything No he just sits and collects loss on it all these years while paying Taxes on it.

I Have No Time for Him. If you wanted to write what caused the end of Kinsey two things First Mr Neuman Dying suddenly and the hostle takeover with no idea how to run Publicker.
And two Selling Kinsey to this man and leasing it back in 1982 and trusting this guy to do the right thing. All he did was help to put Publicker under by raising the Lease price everytime he could and once they went under just walked in told the electricians turn the power off leave everything and fired the security People and went back to NY for good!

This is the History of Kinsey in the last 23 years a sad and horrible one for a place that was the Biggest employer and highest paying place in all of Limerick Township back in the day. And The Worlds Most Beautiful Distillery in its time.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-04-2009, 05:38
There is something Profound in the difference I taste when I drink some of the little bit I have of Our vintage Products. It is something I can't explain but Last night I poured a little bit of Old Hickory 86 Proof 10 yr old from 1962 and there is just something that happens in your mouth drinking it and the flavor is just so very Different from my modern favorites it is something I just can not Explain.


It has a instant taste,smell and feel that is just so different and everything I have had of our stuff was that way when I could compare it. Nothing againest the new stuff there is just a profound difference I like, others may not but I find Vintage Whiskey preferable in other brands also.

Maybe its the old cyprus Fermenters used in Phila and the water and the process and our aging process But our stuff was different and just darn good!

Looking at the cold weather coming now I think of those days back when we would be just cranking out Spirits by the Thousands every day and 3 box cars every day sitting at the dock plus many trucks getting loaded. Those busy Days were great days for 600 people who worked there and loved their Job!

As the cold weather came on out came your bottle for a nip when you walked from warehouse to warehouse dumping whiskey, let the good times roll.

I can still remember a very cold day when an old timer said to me Dave its cold out don't forget your Flask. It really does not warm you up but it was what we did back in the day!

I can with joy remember Wed Dec 24 1969 Christmas eve as I watched just about every Person in the plant except a few including myself as I wanted to watch the unfolding of the celabration of the coming holiday and people bringing it on drinking great whiskey.

I had a pint filled with Barrel Bourbon and what I did was pretend to drink out of it letting most go back in the bottle as I wanted to watch humanity enjoy the day!

It was a day I will never forget by Noon the Government men where just sitting in their office and smiling people were dancing in the lunch room, singing, people that did not like each other were shaking hands it was Awesome! Company Men were drinkng Whiskey and having a good time and wishing us a great Christmas.

Bonda was weaving around in his old 1951 Plymouth directing trucks coming in. And 90% of the people were really loading up on Bourbon and what ever Spirits they could get.

It was a great thing to watch I totaly enjoyed watching it and seeing people drinking but also being careful no one got hurt and we still got the work we needed done that day and no one drove that was in bad shape we took care of each other those days.

When it was time to go home I pulled up to the security shack to wish the guard a great Christmas and he leaned out smiled and sounding like he had hit it hard already and said Merry Christmas!

Christmas 1969 was a wonderful Christmas for me back then for many reasons, I would soon buy a 2 yr old 1967 Buick Grand sport GS 400 with 425 Horse power 4 speed with only 10,000 miles on it that would fly, I made great money for those days $101.20 a week clear and I loved my job and had lots of people I worked with I really liked. And I was only 22 yrs old.

Back Then I had no Idea the day would ever come I would walk around Kinsey and it would be totaly abandoned and up to me to talk of Her great History to save it for future people to know.

And I feel so thankful to be able to talk about Publicker Industries / Continental Distilling Corp and my beloved Kinsey Distillery and of my Hero Mr. Si Neuman!
"Take away the Pain that comes in Memory Lane."
Dave Z
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Jono
11-04-2009, 16:02
It is great that you had presence of mind to just purposefully record mentally that day....you must have had a premonition that times were changing and that the old days were about gone. Being a young man at the time that was a keen observation. As you get older you try to do that with family gatherings....try to capture each holiday...the people, the fun, the laughter, the bickering too! The card games and banter...just relish in the warm glow....aided by a good whiskey!

dave ziegler
11-09-2009, 10:04
Juno That is why I did that I wanted to always remember that day. I did the same type of thing when my Mom was living and we took trips. I remember fondly my first piece of Continental Distilling stuff other then the couple things I got when I worked there.

I was walking around downtown Skowhegan ME on Vacation with my Mom and I went in a small antique store with my mom and there in the cabinet was a pint Haller's County fair BIB Bourbon bottle from the 1940's. Kinsey had just gone under a few years back then and I remember it like it was yesterday buying it and from that day many years before now, I decided to collect as much stuff from the company as I could.

Those days it was harder you had to find a store that had something, and here I am many years later writing about the Plant and having many wonderful things from there and bought things and a little bit of Old Hickory too!

For some reason Yesterday I was able to get into Kinsey safely with no shooting and I got a few nice Pictures I will post. I do not expect to get in much more till hunting is over as going in by the field is not safe.

I never tire of going back and have gone there on Thanksgiving day 3 years in a row. Kind of like going home for me at my age. I hope once it is safe again to get some more shots in the Big Bottle house with my friends and post them.

Couple of weeks ago before the Hunting started I went in the old House out front that Mr Kinsey and Company Man George Dill both lived in and had my one leg go through a staircase so I left there quick. I will post some of those pictures too. Right after that the next weekend it sounded like world war II was going on in the plant with Hunters.

It is very sad to see Explosion proof Warehouse Q with the Fire tower on top getting so bad. When I went up on the roof water was laying everywhere so I took my shots from the stairwell door not wanting to take a chance on falling through the cement roof as cement can get rotten too!
I have some very nice regular and 35 mm Pictures and will start posting them soon.

As you get older it is hard seeing how many years have gone by and people gone and companies that were great gone forever and Publicker was one of the Greatest!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-12-2009, 05:59
Well I finally put my shots from the Beginning of Nov at the plant, on disc and here are some of them. I am posting 5 pictures right now and will post more soon as I have about 81 + some will go on the Fire Tower thread also.

1.After two months here is the Explosion proof lamp I created for my hall way from 1940's parts from warehouse 38. The base was made by the shipper at work and It was wired by the plant Electrician and I built and designed it myself to look like the ones that were turned upward like this on the stair case going up to the Black outside tanks.
2. Time card Rack at my house with some original time cards from Bottling in it
3. Walking into the plant on a cool Nov day
4. Here is the heating unit in one of the 4 Plant maintaince rooms in the Old Kinsey Maintaince Barn. Shorty ( Harrison ) Tyson worked in there and this was his heat note the cardboard on the ceiling to insulate the room!
5.Here on the wall in the Old Maintaince Barn is Ludy's Old Phone number from back in the Late 1940's early 1950's.

Everytime I go there I find something exciting for me and I remember more and more stuff. Tomorrow I will post the only pictures I have ever taken in the Old Plant company House next to the Old Kinsey Bottling house. It is a very Historic House in bad shape. It is Historic in that it was the very Last House Mr. Kinsey ever stayed in before He went Bankrupt in 1939. His Great Nephew Al Landis 90 yrs old told me Mr. Kinsey would stay there during the week then go home to his Large House in the Parkside section of Philadelphia.

In later years my Old friend Company man George Dill lived there and Our Plant nurse that loved Bourbon and Coffee had her office on the first floor. I also have a shot of the stairway going to the attic which I partly fell through ending my exporations.

I hope in the winter to go down back again looking for the Old remains of the 1700's Post office behind the home Mr Kinsey lived in after first buying the Place down by the river as Continental had put a fancy marker where the Post office stood to mark it as Geoge Washington had mailed something from there during the war when at Valley Forge!

To see such a historic place get this way is hard and it is always my Goal to speak of all I know of the place.
Dave Z
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Gillman
11-12-2009, 19:04
Dave, was the new make doubled or was there only one run through a column still? If it wasn't doubled, maybe that explains the extra nuance of taste you find in the old products (and you are not alone in feeling that products of 30 and 40 years ago seemed often to have something extra).

If you do not know, would Ludy, perhaps?

Gary

dave ziegler
11-13-2009, 06:52
Hi Gary I spoke to Al Landis who turned 91 last week his Father was the master Distiller for Mr Kinsey and for Continental Distilling for as long as they ran the Old Dsp-pa-12 sometime in the mid to early 1950's.

Al could only tell me about the #12 Colum still but he gave me some information on it that he was told by His great Uncle Jake Kinsey and his father Hoarce master distiller taught by Mr Kinsey.

It is so long ago and most of the people have passed on I will also call Ludy today and ask him some more about stuff. I got Al at 8:00am he was going out the door and this is what he told me about DSP-Pa-12.

It was Built in mid 1933 as soon as Prohibion ended, it took 100 pound of steam to get it going. They did 3 batches a day the fermenting took 3 days and there were 12 Cyprus fermenting tanks. The Batches would go into tanks to be cooked traveling into 3 differant cooking tanks each batch to be cooked 1 time in each tank then to a condenser and then to what he called redistill still then to another Condenser and finally to the Cistran room to be barreled. The whiskey came off the still at about 130 proof and they cut them to between 108 to 110 proof and barreled them. They could barrel back in Kinseys day 80 barrels a day. I do not know how much was done once Continental Distilling took over but I do know up till at least Spring 1951 they used the stills and They may have ran it till 1955 but my Mash bills are from 1951 that I found there. So it looks like it was doubled so I do not know why but the Older stuff always tastes better to me! Reditill is Doubling Right?

I don't know if this is what you wanted but Al said there were basicly two stills in the DSp Pa 12 building the second being the redistiller still. He did not remember much about the Old Barn Pot still but again he told me He and Oscar Tyson dumped the first barrel after Prohibition ended. In the #10 Barn. The redistiller is what you call a doubler I would think so that is that.
I hope some of this information is helpful to your question Gary!



I am now going to post a few more pictures of the front of the plant.

1. I went into the Old George Dill / Mr Kinsey / and Plant Nurses station House out front for the first time and most likely the last it is in bad condition. I took this shot of the old bastment boiler at a distance with my zoom because it is coated with Asbestos! I was amazed to find the house had been completely rewired with heavy duty Industrial breaker boxes so it was very safe in its day.
2. This first floor room was one of two Our Bourbon drinking Plant Nurse used. we would go here for cuts and injuries.
3. Second floor which George Dill had to himself the years I worked there till he retired while I was still there. This house is historic in that after the Plant reopened in 1933 after Prohibition ended My Kinsey Would stay here in this house during the week then go home to Phila where he had a large Home in the parkside section of Phila. When he bought the place back in 1892 he stayed in the Old Historic House by the river Down back but once he was in bussiness and reopened he had bought a large home In Phila and as his office was on 1520 Locust Street Phila he stayed in Phila alot
4. Here is the Stairway to the 3rd floor I fell partly through I then left there.
5.Here is a nice shot of the outside of the house it sits right next to the Old Kinsey Bottle house near the road.
6. Here is a shot of the fallen down second floor of the Old Bottle House Mr Kinsey Built. This happen because of the people that claimed they were going to buy the place from the owner and build a propane power plant which was never to be and they were burning some metal and caught the Top floor of the house and Bottle house on fire the bottle house roof fell down many years later last Nov 2008 right before Thanksgiving due to snow weight on it.
7. This is the front door into the Old Bottle house / or Happy House as Sandie calls it.
8. another shot of the fallen roof.
9. Fire Pump house between the Bottling house and the Old yellow Kinsey house
10. The Old Siclair Gas pump you can still make out Dino on the broken glass. it used to sit next to the Old Plant Maintaince Barn hill in the back
of the barn.
11. Here is a shot of theback of the Barn the Gas pump sat on the right side of the dirt ramp going into the barn.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-16-2009, 09:45
Here are some more of my Sundays walks through Kinsey pictures in the fall.
1. & 2. Third floor of the Fire tower building Q wet because of the fire that happen so many years ago. Stalagtites growing on the ceiling
3. A Look through the Wall where the fire company punched through.
4. Wet floor 3rd floor of Warehouse Q stalagmites growing on the floor.
5. Sign in Warehouse T in Stair well first floor
6. Fallen skids of Bottles In warehouse T
7. & 8. The two types styles of barrel elevators used in the warehouses
9. The Only Boiler left out front in the old section of the plant
10. Looking through where the Old Dsp-Pa-12 used to stand.

One more note I got a call from my friend from Ca who was a top executive for Publicker Last Night He will not be getting out here till spring of 2010.

Once again it is so sad seeing these great Elopsion proof Warehouses the Best ones ever in their time frame sitting and falling into the hands of Younger People who know nothing but how to destroy things. History is being destroyed as the person who owns Kinsey sits back and does not care at all, Kinsey means nothing to him and he should never have been allowed to buy it.

It is like taking a beautiful painting and smashing it just for fun!
Dave Z
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Gillman
11-16-2009, 09:59
Thanks Dave, clearly they did a second distillation, so that answers my question. Thanks again for asking them. Maybe it was the cypress vats that imparted that extra quality!

Gary

Jono
11-17-2009, 21:48
Dave, your photos always bring to mind the power of nature, decay, nostalgia, faded beauty, time....some poetic quotes:

"It's amazing how quickly nature consumes human places after we turn our backs on them. Life is a hungry thing."
Scott Westerfeld, Peeps, 2005

"Nature is wont to hide herself."
Heraclitus

Look not mournfully into the past. It comes not back again. Wisely improve the present. It is thine. Go forth to meet the shadowy future, without fear.
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Live neither in the past nor in the future, but let each day's work absorb your entire energies, and satisfy your widest ambition.
Sir William Osler

“O Solitude! If I must with thee dwell, Let it not be among the jumbled heap of murky buildings”
John Keats quotes (English Romantic Poet. 1795-1821)

“Buildings, too, are children of Earth and Sun.”
Frank Lloyd Wright

"I heard the old, old, men say 'all that's beautiful drifts away, like the waters.'
William Butler Yeats

dave ziegler
11-29-2009, 18:31
Here I am with a blast from the past while walking around Kinsey I went into O building because it was ripped open. I went to the Government Office and upstairs looking on the floor I saw a torn envelope addressed to Bill Theodoisis who was before he died Plant Manager and a very Nice man who died right after I started there of a Heart atack.
My first picture is what I found in the envelope
1. An Old Bottle Machine sits on the dock of the 1966 Bottle House.
2. A cut out from a paper about the Sales people at Continental,Kinsey and Hallers getting together on June 12 1950 to talk about their ideas for that year. Note the bottles of product in the cut out. Mr Theodosis is 5th from the left

3.& 4. On the 23rd of Nov the day before the holiday my friends from sales at work Jim & Doris came down and asked me to hang around at lunch because they had to get something out. I believed them and waited.
at 11:39 they called me to come to my car there they gave me a professionaly framed set of Tax strips and the pictures of my barrel from begining to end. I had given my friend Jim the pictures and strips as a gift and they turned around and paid to have them professionaly framed and matted as a surprise for me I was in awe
I had given these to Jim as a gift in the summer and Him and the Lady in Sales had made them into a Thankgiving Surprise.
These are Pictures of them hanging proudly at home.

I am very lucky to work with such great people as I do where I work now!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-03-2009, 16:58
When you get into your sixties you do allot of thinking back and I must say the times back in 1966 through 1971 working at Kinsey were some of the Best of times. People cared more and we did not at all mind working hard for the good money we made at Kinsey working for Continental Distilling. I have yet to talk to anyone who did not love working there.

You also had allot of pride in the products we made and how many we made. All our brands were very succesful and were enjoyed world wide! And Our Old Hickory in my mind was the Best Straight Bourbon around Back then.

It is hard to relise that all our products are Long gone having worked there and Knowing that Line A-F-1 alone could do 40,000 bottles a day. Yet they are gone and The most Prolihic Distiller of those Times is long gone to. It was like People, it got sick once Mr Neuman was gone and never recovered and died. A few of our brands are still around such as Philadelphia Blended but it is but a shadow of what it was when we made it.

I can sit here and in my Mind there I am going down in the tunnel below the still for break. Having a coffee and a sandwich and talking with Milt Shantz about his Ponies or giving Bookie some money to put on the Horses. Or maybe in Warehouse N playing dice with the guys it was all fun and days were sunny and filled with excitment back then.

Now Kinsey sits and rots and Continental / Publicker Industries is no more but what it was will always fill me with pride that I was a part of it and that I can still tell people about it and those great days of Old Hickory and Kinsey Silver.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-18-2009, 09:45
I have not been feeling so good for the Last week or so but I am back now and remembering what it was like in real cold weather at Kinsey you wore your Heavy coat inside the warehouses and if you were on the Yard gang coal would be coming in by the rail car Load! Getting it out was not as easy as you would think as it froze to the sides of the car which meant climbing up and in it and hitting it with a shovel to get it loose enough to run out the bottom.

We would also be putting down salt if it snowed and plowing. Winter in the Gang was hard work but I was young and I emjoyed it anyway. I have not been to the Plant for a couple of weeks and May get there the afternoon of Christmas day. I went there last year on christmas day for a walk. I just got 3 pairs of Old Hickory Table counter top signs on the web to add to my collection and here is the picture from the web of one of the 3. I hope to write more now that I am feeling better and having some time work has been very busy which is a good thing.

I also have something I want to get at the plant to save for History very soon. I Just saw a another Old Friend from Kinsey Passed on Michael Zueno he was 80 yrs old and I did not know he was still living. In the Paper it says He was a truck Driver At Continenal Distillery Linfield for 8 years retiring in 1982.

Mike was the Guy we counted on to take us to the break room and back to our job and also to the Time clock at night. He drove the Old 1953 Dodge Flat bed and hauled Barrels when we were not going to break or warehouses or the timeclock. It was a green flat bed with a six in it and green wooden sides and we would climb on the back to ride to break and the time clock plus sometimes if the warehouse we were going was a far distance.

It was cold walking around the Plant in the winter with the air from the river coming up!
Dave Z
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Jono
12-22-2009, 13:40
Dave....some Christmas 1969 videos -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohP5yQlo8C4

The old metal table top hockey game...no video games then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6g7uF7T7_A&feature=channel

Sound recording was still rare in those days....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHeJWfvAABU&feature=related

I keeping looking for a bottle of whiskey......

dave ziegler
12-28-2009, 17:16
On my trip to Kinsey today I also found some neat paper work I found an old Bell yellow bussiness pages telephone book from 1970 and with my Flashlight I looked up Distillers and I found this page which I have blown up to be readable.
1. Yellow Pages Distillers note not only are our Numbers for Phila in there but also some by brand also and also other Famous Distillers also!
2. Old Blue print for 3-22-62 for Charter Oak Bourbon 4/5 Bourbon case Box
3. Old Blue Print for Charter Oak 2-28-65 Quart case Box
Finding things like this is exciting to me they were damp so I dryed them trimed them and scaned them into my Computer I will now put them in one of my many Binders of Paper work to save for History.
I am going to keep looking for this type of thing as long as I can. Everything is either wet or dirty so it takes time and efort to clean them carefully and save them. I have posted some Bottle house pictures on the Bottle house thread also! I took 64 Pictures today.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-04-2010, 04:10
Something Special is now residing in my Garage The 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling House Time Clock is now at Kinsey West my place waiting to have some cleanup and mini restoring done to it! It seems the Mice lived there for a bit but other then that it is ok and that is all cleaned out now.

When the weather gets better right now 20's with wind chill of 2 above it will wait but at least it will not be there for the younger people to break or destroy. I will post a picture of it when the weather warms up.

I also found two types of Spirits Hydrometers made in the early 1970's in Phila and saved them from being smashed! And a list of whiskey inventory for 1978 with brand names which I will post soon. I am always looking to preserve anything I can from there.

Just a note looking at my old time papers from the Plant I found out that the ocean liners we had 10 were called Paco Lines and during war times we also did stuff for the Army with them.

In just peeking at the Inventory list of the late 1970's I saw the old American Distilling brands we had such as Stillbrook and Bourbon Supreme.

I am now back to work so looking for things to save is over for now. I will be talking soon about the brands on the List and the sad ruin the place is in.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-17-2010, 15:26
I was visting my Friends who own a Beer distributership and They told me Look over on the counter and there stood a full 4/5 Quart 1950's Kinsey 8 yr blended whisky. I said wow where did you get that and they told me the young fellow that works there got it from his uncle who gave it to his dad and He brought the bottle of Kinsey Silver there to give to me

Also Last Week on Line I saw a pre Pro Tax stamp for sale on Line it is dated in ink 3-12-04 which means it was a tax sticker from what I see from pre prohibition. On it is a picture of someone called Fairchile so anyone who knows about this type of tax stcker please reply! I am going to post some pictures of my Bottle and a closeup of the Green $3000 tax sticker and hope to hear from anyone who knows alot about this type of tax sticker.
Pictures 1 through 3 are of my Full 4/5 Bottle of Kinsey Silver 80 proof I can tell by the type of Cap it is a late 1950's bottle
Picture 4 is the rare tax sticker stamped Kinsey Distillery, My Pre pro wooden whisky case from Kinsey has this type of sticker on its back side.

I will be back to writting regularly again I have been sick but felling much better now.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-22-2010, 08:56
Even as I write about Kinsey there are people who know only how to destroy it and an Owner who is in my Mind a really Rotten Person. He bought it to let it rot for loss claiming and now it just sits. I hope I never meet Him. When I think back to how good a condition the Place was when he bought it in 1982 everything still working well and He shuts everything off after his high lease Prices finish Publicker off, lets people steal all the wiring so nothing can be powered up and just pays a fine now and then and leaves it rot. But it can be expected of him as He is not new to doing rotten things of this type, I looked his name up one time on the web and read some of the Rotten things he has done in his life in the Ny Papers.

What it all goes down to is some people are takers and some people are givers and He is a taker. If only some one Good had bought the Plant from Publicker and worked with them on the lease back of parts of the Plant had spent some money putting Elevators in the warehouses in place of the barrel ones I truley think Publicker might have made it in the Home products and antifreeze Bussiness. The big mistake was selling it to this person! They should have kept on looking for people to lease parts to they almost had a couple of warehouses leased to Oscar Mayer to be made into frozen & refrigerated food lockers I found the paper work but at the Last minute Oscar Mayer pulled out and the rest is sad History.

Everytime I go to Kinsey My Heart is sad but on the positve side I remember so many things from the past names and happenings just come back to me.

Forgive me for blowing off a bit of steam built up from seeing Kinsey in such sad shape since fall 1986.

I wish everyone could have had the great experiance I had working for Publicker Industries for my Personal Hero Si Neuman those were the days.

And Thankfully I can still walk there from time to time and relive the past!
Dave Z
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Jono
01-27-2010, 10:01
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001189209-page.html

http://business.highbeam.com/company-profiles/info/1189209/continental-distilling-corp

Rockefeller Center
> listed as a "chemical company" "manufacturing" "distilling equipment"

dave ziegler
02-02-2010, 09:51
Hi Jono from what I can see The Continental name went separate ways from the Publicker Name which became Publicard its last years. Both Companies had just a couple of People working for them and I could never get any thing much out of the Continental name after they closed Publicker in Phila. But I do know that for a little bit they called the company Publicker Distillers at the end and I have whiskey cases with that on them.

, My Best guess was someone bought the Continental name and does small time Distilling equipment however looking on the web both companies were in the same place so I guess the same person did have them both. Publicker for awhile till they were forced to pay for the cleanup in Phila after the Company they sold the site to for next to nothing with legal written promises for them to clean it up blew the place up and went into Bankrupsy. While That was going on Publicker Industries bought a Flashlight company, Bright Star Flash light Company and then sold it when they had to pay for the Cleanup.

They Then got into the smart card Bussiness and changed their name to Publicard. In 2007 they left the stock market and have come out of Bankruptsy and I forgoten what they are called now but it is strange name.

They have about two employees and the Chairman when they were Publicard was Antonio L. Delise.

Since It was also listed in Rockafeller Plaza they most likely have been run by the same Man as two different small not doing Much Companies.

All I know is what a sad thing when Mr Neuman died and the People who took over by Hostel takeover just destroyed the compy by leaving the Distilled Spirits bussiness and the Medical parts of the Industrial Alcohol bussiness and tried to Be P&G which we all know what happen it ended and 5000 people lost their jobs. When Si Neuman died Publicker / Continental Distilling / Kinsey all died with him!

I was over there about two weeks ago and it breaks my heart to see what Vandels do to the place ripping doors off cuting Pipes smashing things. Kinsey Distillery died when Si Neuman died and it can never return.

Yet in my Mind I can still See Nurse asking me questions the first day I started there and her talking about drinking Coffee with Bourbon for her health. I can still see Charlie Seipler doing burn outs with his Model A Ford Frame with a 100 Horse powerflat head Ford V8 buggy.

Charlie traveled all over the plant painting anything that needed painting even some of My Silver Explosion Proof Pilot Light boxes and switches! It was Charlie that painted all the Warehouse signs and anything that needed being kept up.

Meanwhile Frank Kurtus, and Shory ( Harreson Tyson ) and Lou Steffy did all the plant Maintance and Dicky Pfieher kept all the cars and trucks running a thankless Job for sure.

Everytime I walk by the old Maintance Barn I think how cold it must have been working in there. All My memories Of Kinsey are fond to me and I think It was a blessing that I was not there at the end as It would have killed me seeing what was happening. Another sad thing long time Enginer Joe Trish was over in Scotland when Publicker sold the Plant there and when he came back they were gone and he needed just a little time to be able to retire and the guy that now owns and has ruined the Plant hired him and only gave him minimum wages till he could retire Ludy told me about this a couple of weeks ago when I went to visit him. Joe was the Best Enginer Continental Distilling ever Had what a sad thing to find out from Ludy that this is what happen to him. Anything Big built at Kinsey or Contiental Joes drawings and plans were there. Even the two Half Million Gal stainless tanks in mid Plant had their setup done with Joe trishs Plans. My big plant blueprint of Plant piping was drawn by Joe.

Such was the Story once Si Neuman and The Family were gone from control of the company.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-03-2010, 10:04
Three weeks ago on a rainy Sunday afternoon I walked through what is left of the 1966 State of Art 1966 Bottling House and took some more pictures here are some of them.

1 Candy machine with what was candy bars rotted to pieces
2,3,4. All that is left of the state of art Laboratory in the Bottle house.
5,6,7,8.Here are some pictures of the Tanks at the far back of the incoming lines right next to the explosion proof power room. I had never climbed this one and finaly did.
9. Row of Explosion proof switches near front side of the incoming line area.
10. Electric Line control box
11. All That is left of the Modern Line A-1-F which was early computor driven and could do 40,000 bottles a day and box the bottles too!
12,13,14. Looking at the sorting lines where the girls sorted looked for leakers and label work.
15.The above case line boxes traveled it to the back where it would go under for the bottles to go back in it.
16. An old safety Sign that states not to be a Pig in your work area for safety.
17. At the end of Second shift the girls would put the chairs up on top of the line till the next day for sweeping. I can just imagin them sitting them there not knowing they would never come back that final last day.
18. looking down through the plant at the ruin of it all.

Every time I go I feel so dam sad seeing what has happened to the Most modern Bottling House in the whole world back in fall of 1966.
For me Kinsey is dying and there is nothing I can do for this dear old friend. I remember all the Great people that worked there, 600 of us and my heart is sad. I will continue to try and get picture I have not taken in area's and writing about my Old Friends and Kinsey
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dave ziegler
02-05-2010, 10:52
Well today the first thing I want to include on this thread is an old Picture My Dad took of Me at 23 years Old with the last Car I bought working for Continental Distilling at Kinsey. Taken one day when I got home from work with a Poloriod Camera
1. Me and My 1970 Chevy Nova named ( Nova Cane ) on the plate and on the car. Front plate has a Hyperdermic dripping Blood and the words Nova cane.

I bought this chevy in late 1970 while I was still at Kinsey after it and leaving Kinsey it took years to get another Newer car. We really made good money there and going to work was always good working at Kinsey. In the time I worked there I had a 1955 Chevy that I put a 283 in and Hurst shift, a 1963 chevy, My fastest Car I ever owned my 1967 Buick Grand Sport 400 CU IN 425 HP 4 speed Hurst and My 1970 Chevy Nova.
it was hard work but it was working for a great company with great Products and I loved testing our products!

Seeing it like it is and I just heard another horror story about people going Vandelizing and stealing in there it just breaks my heart as I know Kinsey will never make a come back the wreaking Ball is somewhere in the future so If I can with the Pictures I have posted and the things I have written keep its memory alive I will be most happy.

There I was 19 years Old fresh out of school going to work for the worlds Largest Distiller at the worlds Largest aging Whiskey stored plant in the world with the Worlds largest Bottling House ------- Those Where The Days -------
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dave ziegler
02-15-2010, 06:33
It is always Hard for me to think of Kinsey being gone but it is never going to operate again and this winter has really hit the buildings hard I expect more roofs will come down. Yet I can still remember getting the first car I ever had that did not have more than a 100,000 miles after working at Kinsey less then a year. My 1963 Chevy 2 dr Bel Air had about 30,000 miles when I got it and I took the first weeks vacation I ever had driving it to the Old Atlantic City and seeing Publicker below going over the Walt Whitman bridge I felt so proud to work for them.

Working at Kinsey gave a young man good credit which I was able thankfully to keep through my life. We were a family at Kinsey and days went by just fine even though we worked hard we were very proud to work for Publicker. I have yet to ask anyone who worked there if they liked it as they all did! And if our products were still around I have confidance that people on this site would Love Our Bourbons and Ryes.

Our products were sold all over the world and well liked so it is hard to think they are gone. I never in all my younger years dreamed something like this would happen to Kinsey and Continental Distilling.

To Me Old Hickory Bourbon will always be my Favorite Bourbon!
Dave Z
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Jono
02-15-2010, 20:50
Dave, looking at your photo above, I wonder what you would whisper in your younger self's ear if you could time travel - besides not quitting Kinsey and stocking up on Old Hickory?

dave ziegler
02-16-2010, 09:38
Thats fairly easy Jono I would whisper be thankful for the Job you have as you will do worse leaving as the grass is not greener on the other side! When you are young you listen to the wrong people sometimes and you make moves you regret the rest of your Life it is part of growing up. And many years I made alot less and I spent 18 years driving truck at a Place I hated more then words can say. I had some great news last spring they Pottstown Plating went out of Bussiness and I lifted some Old Hickory in joy for that.
But even then good came out of it 3 years after being downsized there I got my wonderful job I am at now and it is a wonderful job with great people I am proud to work for them and at my age I am at just the right place.

Working for Publicker was a great thing and the fact that I am still friends with Ludy all these years later shows the kind of people I worked with. It is the people who made Kinsey and Continental Distilling great, they were hard working people who were always thankful for what they had not what they wanted.

And It was the Leadership of Si Neuman that made Publicker Industries the Power house it was from 1933 till 1976 when he died suddenly.
The heart of Kinsey and Continental died when Mr Neuman died like the Song

"The Day The Music Died" ------- "It was the Day That Kinsey Died"

It was the day That Kinsey died a sad and terrible death even though she sits there she is just a rotting place that only memories can speak of. There are times I feel so driven to just get all the story of this wonderful Distilling and Chemical Company out. In the Long term things worked out for me My First Job was Awesome and now at 62 1/2 Years Old My Last Job is awesome. But I offten wonder why I ended up driving for the plating company it was family owned and Union and both looked out for themselves and as a worker you were a pawn. In 1979 I made way less driving a truck then I would have made at Kinsey I would have been better going down with Kinsey for sure.

At Publicker and as a company Person the company Mailman I am blessed! There are only maybe a couple of the old timers left from Kinsey so I now am the Oldtimer and I intend to keep telling as much as I can about Kinsey.

As For the Old hickory if I had it to do now I would have stocked up with Plenty of Old Hickory both the 80 proof and the 86 proof 10 yr plus some BIB and a couple of bottles of that rare 20 yr stuff that back in 1968 I saw the barrels that were used for it in Old warehouse E one of Jacob G Kinseys first warehouses.

Publicker Industries was a Prolific Company and a Company That was very Proud to be American owned and operated.

Here is an a statement from a Late 1940's Brosure put out By Publicker just before they went on the stock market, I am lucky enough to own, it is the only one known to exsist.

" The search to produce a better product
never ends at Publicker. Our skilled craftsmen
constantly seek new methods of impoving the age-
old art of Distilling. They combine the native skill of
generations of distillers,enriched by the exciting
discoveries of ever-advancing science.

We are justly proud of our reputation for distilling
beverages of the highest quality:
proud, too, of our never-ceasing efforts to impove
them.

Here, then, on the succeding pages, is our story.
It is America's story, too, because America always
builds for the future with the best of its past and present."


The book continues with artist pictures of the Kinsey plant Linfield, Continental Distillery Phila and the publicker Chemical Plant in phila plus mentions that we have Cooperage plants in Marcus Hook pa and St. Louis MO. it talkes of the Patience needed to make Great Whiskies.
It speaks of our Advanced Research lab in Eddington, Pa. and Our Chemical Plant in Westwego La.which I have never been able to find out much about. And it talks about how proud they are to be making more then 1/3 of the worlds Medical Alcohol. And Finally it speaks with pride of Old Hickory, Charter Oak, and County Fair Bourbons. BIB Rittenhouse Rye, Our straight whiskies -- Old Hickory, Charter Oak, Hallers 89,Planters Club, Hallers deluxe and Linfield whisky.
Also straight Ryes Conestoga,and Rittenhouse and Our Famous blend of Only Straight Whiskies and they all had to be 7 years old " Old Classic" I was never lucky enough to try that one But Ludy said it was good stuff.

This is what Publicker / Continental Distilling and Kinsey were all about I Am Dam Proud I worked For Them.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-01-2010, 09:03
A couple of weeks ago between all the snow we have gotten I took a walk at Kinsey and got a few Pictures in Warehouse's C and M.

Here are the pictures
1. If you look closely you will see Eagle Beak was here written my old friend Warren Eshback He took delight in being called Eagle Beak and always said, me and Jimmy Duranty the nose knows! He had a really big nose.

2.,3.,4., These are stainless tanks sitting in Warehouse C behind the Bottling house.
5. Rye Mash Barrels still sitting in Warehouse C it was here I got Fricky and I our Barrels to restore they are going bad now but I was able to get the Historic Society one a bit back to have original for Limerick/Linfield's History.
6.One of Many Venting and Heating systems in the warehouses for tjhe right aging of Whisky this one in warehouse M first floor.
7.8. looking across the first floor in warehouse M once there were racks 6 tiers high against the ceiling 22 foot high.


When I get to Kinsey my mind goes back in a sort of time travel and I am there talking to my long gone friends. They and Kinsey may be gone but I will never let them be forgotten.

I can still see old Bonda driving his 1951 Pylmouth Cranbrook around the plant showing incoming trucks where to go and having a shot as he did. I can hear Charlie Seipler burning rubber with his Model A frame 100 horse power buggy. And ringing out at night feeding the fish in the Old Number 1 fermenter in the old DSP-Pa-12 giving them loaves of wonder bread!

"Those Were The Days My Friend I Thought they'd Never End Those Were The Days"
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dave ziegler
03-03-2010, 12:37
No matter How many Bourbons I try they never seem to be close to Our Bourbons. Example Old Hickory 10 yr 86 proof its smell and pallet are different from any Bourbon made today and for me much more flavorful.

The 10 Year old stuff like the 20 old special aniversary stuff at first came from Whiskeys that were for the most part in our oldest Wooden and brick warehouses and the first of the Explosion proof ones built during WWII years. As a young man I remember those old date barrels and offten asked about them and was told they are for special Bourbons for Old Hickory and the Rye ones for Rittenhouse Rye. I saw stuff dated for the early 1950's in old warehouse E out front beside the Old Bottle House on the river bank and many were distilled at the Old DSP-PA-12 in Linfield!

How the years have gone by, but thankfully I was young and remember these things better then I remember what happened yesterday! Those old Warehouses were really Hard to get barrels out of the racks. You would if they were on one of the upper second on up tiers run them all the way across from one side to the other because the Freight Elevator was at the far end from the road side of the warehouse. You could only put so many barrels at a time on the elevator. I remember well someone sneaking one to many on and I found myself crashing to the bottom running the Elevator down.

In some of them you could just get a lift to pull on the wooden board floor to get a few tiers up safely. And there were only two ways to get up to the racks ride the freight elevator to some of the main levels or climb a tiny Ladder made of wood to each upper tier. And you better not have much weight on you so you could fit in walkways for each level.

I hated climbing that Ladder and gladly ran the Freight Elevator if given the chance. They were faily cold and damp warehouses and Jacob G Kinsey had built them back in the pre pro days and just after Prohibition built the last one Warehouse H which is shown in my arieal shot from 1936 being built.

Kinsey was always a special place and before Mr Kinsey bought the Land it had the oldest home in Limerick behind what became the Plant the old
William Evans Home down near the river, later to be Mr Kinsey's Home when he first came there. Many Company boss's lived in it such as Ed Zucca, Holman Thomas Bryant, and William Theodosis. When Kinsey reopened in fall 1933 Jacob G Kinsey stayed in the yellow house out front, later in Continental Distilling days too house the Plant Nurse and George Dill another Company Man.

Mr Kinsey would travel from his home in Philadelphia during the week to Kinsey and then back to the Parkside section of Philadelphia later in the week.

Those were the exciting days of Distilleries with Prohibition and the Mobs threats gone and Mr Kinsey at 75 trying to start over at 75 years Old but 6 years later at 81 He went bankrupt and Continental Distilling a division Of Publicker Industries came along in Spring of 1940 to save Kinsey and make it an even greater Place!

Then even more exciting days lay ahead the Days of Mr Si Neuman and Publicker Industries the most prolihic and amazing Distiller in History.
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dave ziegler
03-09-2010, 08:24
On Sunday afternoon the weather was so Nice I took a long walk through Kinsey. While walking I took a trip behind some of the Explosion Proof warehouses to see and take pictures of the two explosion proof warehouses never built!

Working in the Yard gang we had never really gone into that part of the Woods but people I know who are doing some tree removal there unearthed something amazing. While cutting trees they discovered two area's of 1 inch bundles of 18 rods per bundle sunk down in the ground about 4 to 5 feet in cement of these rod bundles. There were 42 sets at each site 18 rods per bundles, one bundle for each piller in the warehouse if built. This locked everything to the ground to make a better Explosion proof warehouse. The spoke to an old timer who had actualy helped doing this in 1948. I took pictures of the rods some stick out up to 3 feet Plus, others 2 feet.

I will post my pictures in the next day or so plus some other pictures I took of the Plant on my other threads. So these would have been warehouses V and W had they been built and also would have held 999,999 barrels as the other 14 did!

The rods are so well made that they are rust color but not rusted! No matter when you go there you never know what piece of History you will find. This would have made a third row coming from the Steer pen area going front and I am still amazed at this find. I worked there and never knew this story of the Warehouses never to be built!

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dave ziegler
03-10-2010, 09:33
Today I am going to post most of my Pictures from the past Sunday including the bundles of one inch rods in the woods where Continental was going to build two more Explosion proof warehouses.

There were 42 sets of 8 rod bundles per building some more rods per bundle in some, layed out to go into the large pillers that were in each of the buildings to make them as strong against explosion as possible sunk in cement about 5 to 7 feet down in the ground.

I also have some pictures in the Old grain prcess building and of other buildings. It was a beautiful day walking there on Sunday with nice breezes coming up from the river and bright sun I intended to stay just an hour and stayed 3 hours!

There was much damage from vandels and the long winter weather and it is a sad thing to see. Here are some of my pictures starting with some of the Old Bottling house.

1.thru 7. Looking down through the Old Bottling House both from the back and from out front in the Case packing room and the packing room itself.
8. All that is left of the fallen down second floor of the Old Bottling house.
9. Cathionnic and anatonic tanks Old bottling House.

Note in pictures that Rod bundles are differant hight's I have no idea why but do know these were to go through the floors and start the 42 pillars per building.


10 through 21 all pictures of the Rod bundles found up in the woods on the ridge above Warehouses 38 and T warehouse. They would have been warehouses V & W.
I still have more pictures to post and will later this week.
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dave ziegler
03-12-2010, 12:53
Here are a few more of the Pictures I took last Sunday,

1. The Old Water treatment tank in the Old Kinsey Bottling house.
2. An Old Whiskey Blender sticking out of the tank they blended Liquors in the Old Bottling House.
3 & 4. Old falling down racks in the two Oldest Warehouses in the Plant built in 1892 by Jacob G Kinsey wood and brick warehouses A & B.

When I started there these were not used much becuase of how hard it was to rack barrles and to take them out of the racks, but there was some Vintage Wiskey in them. You Had to on the upper ones stand on the edge of the wooden walk way and put a Hook from a chain lift on each side of the head and get the chain tight then lower it that way. Unlike the other wood Kinsey Warehouses that had turn of the century Frieght Elevators. It is sad to see these Historic Buildings falling down. But such is life new one day gone the next.

I plan if it is just raining lightly Sunday doing some more inside exploring, and I will post the rest of my Pictures next week and any new ones from Sunday.
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dave ziegler
03-17-2010, 18:32
I am also tonight posting some pictures of my collection of Explosion proof pilot lights and switches from Kinsey here are some of the ones I have in my work office on a side cabinit and on my desk lit and unlit. I am having the company Electrcian make me up 4 or 5 more sets and I then will have about 23 differant sets of differant explosion proof switches and pilot lights from Kinsey to save for History!

When I get into work at 6:00-AM I turn them all on and they light the place up with red I am also going to have some blue and green ones as I am making up a couple more weather proof switch sets. If I would not have saved these they would have gone to the scrap man by some Vandel. I am on a mission to save all the History of a great company, a wonderful place to work and the most Prolic Distiller back in the day!

These when I turn them on take me back to the Warehouses and the blue fums up near the sealings the the rows and rows of Explosion proof switches and lights that greeted you back in the day when Kinsey was King.

There are really no words to discribe how great a place Kinsey was to work, think of your favorite park and Kinsey was very park like with wildlife walking around the plant. Beauty was our Gardens and flower beds trees and beautiful beyond compare lawns. Mr Neuman loved Kinsey and so did I.
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dave ziegler
03-24-2010, 04:08
I have now created a few more Explosion proof Light setups for my office and will post pictures of a couple of very rare ones soon. I was at Kinsey about 2 weeks ago and the vandels just keep breaking into buildings to just ruin things. I just do not understand people any more they only think of ruining something or stealing scrap it seems.

I am very proud that I was able to get the Limerick Historic Society a Complete 48 gal Whiskey barrel with the year 3-22-71 stenciled on the head for their collection in donating it Fricky has agreed to put wood scews in all the staves on the top and bottom hoops and some staggered ones on the middle hoops to keep it together for History and I can't thank him enough.

He is also going to clean the head and put some coating on the top to preserve the writting. The barrel will be as it has been all these years toned as if it is still full for display and the society will be having a big open house on Sat May 8 ! to 4 and I will be there with some of my stuff on a table and to talk to people about Kinsey and Publicker. Anyone from my area please stop by I am fairly sure they will have some refreshments too!

I may even bring a couple of my light sets. I will present the Barrel in my name with credit to Fricky for his work some Sunday afternoon in a couple of weeks once he makes it solid for History.

Once Fricky and I got our Barrels and he made them perfect it has been my dream to give the society an original one they can safely roll out at special times for History and I will continue to donate stuff from Kinsey to preserve History. I will try to get some pictures taken of the event for those far away from here.
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dave ziegler
04-06-2010, 10:08
I am very proud to anounce that Fricky has completed fixing the 48 gal barrel I got for the Historic Society done and I will be going with Him to give it to them on Suday I will take pictures of it when I give it to them.

It is from the same lot Fricky and my Barrels come from dated May 22 1971 Distilled from rye mash. I also want to invite anyone from my area to come to the Big Open House at the Limerick Historic Society on Sat May 8th from 1 to 4 Pm. I will be there with some of my Kinsey stuff and Hope to meet some people who write on here.

I had a vacation day yesterday and I went to see Ludy. Ludy will be 92 this Sept. He was telling me about our imported Bourbon Whiskey called Old Treasure. It was distilled in Belgium and shipped to Linfield where it was bottled.

It was made of Only 12 Year old Straight Whiskeys and I am lucky enough to have been given a pint of it and I find it awesome. Ludy told me that Bill Theodosis who was the Plant manager when I stated in 1966 and died a couple of weeks later having a bad heart attack, had traveled there in the very early 1950's.

He was sent there to get the Distillery going as Publicker built it and owned it. Ludy said Bill sent him many post cards and wrote regularly to him.

He also Said Bill Theodosis was a better Union man then the Union Boss's ever were he was a wonderful Company man who believed in doing right by the workers.

I also found out what some devises I found in the Plant were the last time I went in by showing them to Ludy. I will take pictures and post them of the dvises.
Turns out they are made to put over the Valves once a Tank is filled so a Government Man can put a seal wire and lead type seal on the valve so no one can take any whiskey out as they fit over all different size valves and were made for alll sizes.
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dave ziegler
04-07-2010, 17:12
Well I finally got a chance to take pictures of the Government Valve Locks, thanks to Ludy telling me what they were as I admit I did not remember them.


1. Government Locks for Tank Valves you would put a wire through the loops and then the government Man would put a seal on different Sizes for each type of Valve.
7. Out front where the drives come in after over 25 years Flowers still bloom in the flower bed out front that I used to work on when I was in the yard gang!
6. The Grain Drying building on Left and the Old 1892 Barn that served as the shop for Maintaince all the years the Plant operated. Dsp-pa-10 Barn at far end of picture.
5. Old Grain drying Building & Silo
4. Looking down in the Plant from Warehouse O
2. & 3. Inside Explosion proof Warehouse C Tankage whiskey filter and a Shot of all the Barrels that are left from the Lot that Frick's and My Barrel came from.

These pictures were taken about 2 weeks ago I was totally amazed to see the Old flowers were still coming up in the spring after over 25 years abandoned. The Barrels in Warehouse C are from the Lot Fricky's and my barrels came from.

Also I am very Pleased to say that I was able to get one more barrel from C Building to donate to the local Historic Society and Fricky cleaned it put screws in the bands through the Staves to keep it together for good and He wiped it off and Schlacked it to preserve it for me. I will be donating it to the Limerick Historic Society at 1:15 Pm on Sunday in Memory of Si Neuman Chairman from spring 1933 through 1979 for His Leadership and for making Kinsey such a great Place to work! I am having a Laminated Paper made up that states this. Mr Neuman was a Giant in the Distilled spirits bussiness and in Industrial & Medical Alcohols.

I feel truely Blessed to Be able to donate this in Mr Neumans Memory He was a Hero to me and an Icon to the Distilling Industry!
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dave ziegler
04-12-2010, 04:18
This weekend was a very exciting one for me as I was able to do something I have dreamed of doing with the Help of Fricky fixing a 48 Gal Rye mash whiskey Barrel from the same lot as His and Mine came from, and by fastening the hoops with scews and schlacing the barrel.

And the Help of a Professional lady where I work for creating the Laminated Paper and putting it in a Placard I had saved along time ago to donate The Barrel to the Limerick Historic Society. Many Thanks to Fricky and Val who's Husband worked at The Old Bottle House back in the day and who's Husbands father was a good friend of mine who worked there most of his life!
Here are some pictures from Sunday I donated the Barrel in memory of Mr Si Neuman the man who's vision made Continental distilling the great Company it was!
1. Placard
2. The Barrels head
3. The Barrel sadly I grabed it to quick knocking it out of Fricky's hands and it got scratches you can see but Fricky is going to go there and fix it very soon so it will be beautiful for the Open House May 8th 2010. Anyone living near Limerick please come I will be there with some stuff to show and to talk Kinsey.
4. Me with the Barrel ( Barrel looks Alot Better )
5. Another shot of the Beautiful Head
6. This is my Rare Inver House Barrel head Fricky shined it up for me also
7. And this is my 1963 Bourbon Head fricky shined it up too! I will most likely bring these to show at the Open House at Limerick Historic Society on may 8th.
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dave ziegler
04-13-2010, 10:08
Here are a few more pictures I took at Kinsey on Sunday afternoon!

1. This was Our Plant Lunch room back in the day and the only Bathroom in the warehouse area. Warehouse O
2. Control for the water Distilling plant which is also in O Building which also served as the Government building and 3 floors of Barrels plus pumping tanks to the bottle house and blending.
3. Part of the Water Distilling units.
4 & 5. Brand new never used Cases and bottles have fallen over from years of sitting and getting damp. Warehouse J
6.Another old Raymond Fork Lift sits waiting for someone who will never come and operate it again. Warehouse J
7. Date stenciled on wall of Barrel elevator Warehouse J
6-15-67 about 9 months after I stared at Kinsey in Sept 1966.
8. Sign on first floor of J inside the door
9. Shot from J warehouse dock of the two 1/2 million gallon whiskey tanks built 1961.

Everytime I go there I still can't believe it I find myself listening for trucks and people and when I drive by in the dark going somewhere I find myself looking for Lights around the plant it is still very weird to me after all these years.

You would have had to of worked there to understand it was part of the life of everyone who ever worked there.
Dave Z
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Jono
04-13-2010, 14:16
Very nice restoration! I did not realize so many barrels are still sitting there, they certainly have some value. The local museum will have a nice collection thanks to you and Fricky.

dave ziegler
04-16-2010, 05:42
I am looking forward to the open house at Limerick Historic Society I am very fortunite to have been able to help them with stuff from my Kinsey stuff. I am still very much trying to save whatever I can from Kinsey and always finding out about products we made I never knew about including a Whiskey I saw up for auction at whiskey auction.com.

A clear 6 year old Whiskey called White Duck this must have been one of our experimental Light Whiskeys at least that is my guess. It is one I never knew of and I am sure there are many more.

The Thing about Continental Distilling was we were always looking for something new and inovative that people might want.

This was one we gave up on Light Whiskey and ended up selling what we had off, but it did not stop us from going on trying new Idea's.
I am posting the last of my pictures from past Sunday.

1.O Building the Government Building/warehouse/water distilling and lumch room and blending room all in this one of a Kind Explosion proof warehouse and the only one to have any windows of the 14.
2. Looking up at The back of O building from Warehouse M back side of the 1966 Bottling House..
3. & 4. Two shots of the Old 1959 Ford Dump truck one of the very last to run around for Continental Distilling Vandels have written over the word Continental Distilling how Hateful the Vandels are to me!
5. Another shot of the two 1/2 million Gal whiskey storage tanks across from Warehouse J
6. The First floor of the Old yellow company House were George Dill company man and dear friend lived so long ago. Our Bourbon Drinking Plant Nurse had her office in this first floor room.
7. This is a shot of the lastest vandel work hole in floor, we have a fire bug in Limerick right now and I hope they get them soon. Last week they tried to start a fire in the old House but people quick went over and got the fire company to stop it. This is in real bad shape from years of abandonment but it is very historic as After prohibition ended Mr Jacob G Kinsey lived in this house suring 2/3 of the week going back to his Large home in Phila's Parkside weekends. He lived here till he went bankrupt. When He first bought the place He lived down by the river in the Old William Evans home if not the oldest one of only a couple in Limerick it had its own carriage Drive back then and was liven in till 1986 when Continental went out of Bussiness.

8. Here is a side view of the Old yellow House I loved this old place when I worked there it was so filled with History.
9. A shot from the front drive looking back you can still the other water tower at the back of the plant above the 1966 Bottle House.
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11. The 3rd company house also out front on the left side of the driveways into Kinsey it is the newest one of the 3 and ruined to now. Back in the day our engineers stayed there and traveled home on the weekends.
12. Daffidills still blooming in the Old Flower bed I worked on so long ago the are still living and bring back to me How very Beautiful My Kinsey Distillery Looked back in those Days to a 19 year old Kid working the yard gang.

I hope to get back soon and look for other good shots and to recall more memories of Kinsey Distilling.
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dave ziegler
04-20-2010, 08:46
Last night was a Very Good Night for me as I got a unexpected phone call from my friend in Ca. that was back in the day a very important person at Continental Distilling.
He informed me unless something not expected happens he will be coming to pa in July to stay at his home somewhere near where I work now. We are going to be talking about Contiental from his perspective and he has hundreds of Photos of the Publicker owned Plants so I am very excited. I also want to show him the stuff I have donated to the local Historic society and the Barrel I donated in Mr Neumans memory.

If This can happen this is going to be a great summer I have not met him personally but have talked to him many times on the phone and He knows more then I ever even dreamed of about Continental Distilling and Publicker and that information will come to this site.

I also hope to sometime soon go back in the 1966 Bottle house for final photo's. And again if you live within 50 miles of Limerick please come to the open house at the Historic society home on Old ridge pike. There is a large parking lot 1/2 a block from them that the Chiropracter has told them can be used and I think there will be some refreshments. It starts at 1:00 PM and goes till 4:00 PM. I would love to talk Kinsey with any of you that can come as far as I know Fricky will be stopping by and I hope to see some SB People that day. I will have some of my collection there to show and it will be a fun time.

The other week I saw to my Horror that Vandels had removed a man hole cover and crawled down to cut power line wires. I wish that someone would have had the forethought back in 1986 to have bought the Old Buildings and made a living Distillery History Park. The Buildings were in great shape and you could have easily made them into the Condo's at Kinsey Distillery. Warehouses could have had condo names such as The Si Neuman Warehouse R Condo, The Bottle house could have been made into a large Meeting and events place and could have been called the Harry Publicker Building.

Why is it that someone like me with no money has these Idea's and people that could have done this did nothing. Now we have a place falling in ruin owed by a slum Lord left to be destroyed.

To me it is very cruel for this to have happen to Kinsey. The Whole place could have been called Jacob G Kinsey Square!

Well enough of dreaming what can't be I will continue to talk of the great days at Kinsey when I worked there and today would have been a day that the old 1951 Ford Pickup would have been running all day droping us off at different points in the plant to mow grass. Also it would be spring sweeping time and I would have been sweeping the floors of the Old DSP-Pa. 12 still, How I loved doing that building!

I would sweep and look at the old equipment the mash tanks, cyprus fermenters and Honeywell chart disc machine with disc's still in them for the next distilling day which never came in 1951!

I wish I would have thought back then to have an old camera and got some shots but it would have been hard. I spend every day looking for anything new I can find on Kinsey/Publicker/Continental Distilling. Plus I search my mind every day for things I remember, so I am still on a mission To keep the memory of Publicker alive into the future when I am gone!
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dave ziegler
04-26-2010, 09:40
A trip into Kinsey on Sunday was as always fun and very sad also. I took about 36 pictures but the disc I have them on will not load so I will have to post them tomorrow.

I saw something the vandels had done that just amazed me how nutty they are. Walking in the far back tankage corner of the 1966 Bottling House and climbing the platforn to my total amazement someone had placed a step ladder 50 feet up on top of a tank to try and screw loose some aluminum Pipes I took a picture of the ladder sitting there and I will post it soon.

One slip and they could have fallen and laid there and easily died in the total darkness of the area. Who in their right mind would do that by Flashlight!

As always I looked for some cool stuff and found some neat explosion proof Lights in one of the warehouses. I took a few pictures of a room in the 1966 bottle house I have never been in and you can only get in there by way of one locked door. This room molded Plastic Antifreeze bottles and there is one small window size hole in the wall from the bottle house bottling area. I stuck my camera threw the hole and got several shots of this large blocked off room.

There are still antifreeze jugs waiting to travel out to the bottling area that never made it! I will post all this once I get them downloaded.

As always the vandels are doing all they can to destroy Kinsey, The air was rather good walking even though it was raining and I just looked around to see how things were holding up.

It was cool and fairly dry in the bottle house Sunday but after last night I'm sure there is water everywhere.

I found some old papers of Walt Harringtons laying in the tank area and fondly remembered him. I got some shots of valves with pull chains in warehouse C and another shot of the barrels sitting in there.

Once summer comes ever the vandels have a hard time getting around Kinsey.

I saw where what must have been a whole gang of Vandels had lifed an outside cast Iron cover weighing around 500 LB and crawed down a brick tunnel to cut wire cables from warehouse I to M. Never worring about it falling in on them.

My heart grew sad seeing that and I resigned myself to the fact there is nothing I can do to save Kinsey from these people.

In my mind I could hear old Eagle beek saying the nose knows, Dickie Pfieper getting mad at what someone had done to the old 1941 Ford flat trucks, hear Gus Nirohus saying come on Zig lets to get a beer on Friday at lunch.

Hear Old John calling me to help him as He needed Whiskey quick, hear the barrels rolling in the warehouses. The Old Ford trucks moaning under a load up the hill to O warehouse. And Bonda with a truck waiting to be shown where to deliver while he had a few quick pours of Bourbon from his flask! He would then put his old 1952 Pylmouth in first gear pull out and shift to second while waving out the window to follow him.

These memories are in my mind to stay and if I could take a trip back in time I would go there for a little while.

Those were exciting Times and Continental Distilling was THE WORLDS LARGEST MAKER OF DRINKING AND MEDICAL SPIRITS back then. How times have changed not for the good but just how things are today.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-27-2010, 17:49
Here is the Picture of what I was talking about yesterday, the Vandels and how foolish they are here is a shot of a step ladder on top of one of the tanks some 20 plus feet in the air one slip and they would fall and die. plus 3 other pictures
1. Step ladder sitting on top of 2000 plus gallon tank they removed pipes to steel them.
2. & 3. Chain pulls for valves for tank lines in warehouse C.
4. Tank in warehouse C
Think about this fact they were doing this in total darkness by Flash light in a 199 acre plant in a 2 foot ball field long building no power no where to get help one slip and they could have laid there and died what a foolish thing to do, and what a sad thing knowing people are doing these things to the once proud state of Art 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling House!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-04-2010, 06:00
There isn't a day I am not hoping to find some more Old Hickory Bourbon my supply is getting down and my love of it is always there. There is just something about the old style Whiskeys that I love.
Here are some more pictures from Sunday two weeks ago in the plant

1. I got this barrel for One of my Boss's He is going to restore it like the ones fricky and I have and put it in his Kitchen Mar 22,1971 date on head. This is the last one I will ever get most likely. I am thankful i was able to save 4 of them for History total counting the one given to the Historic Society
2. Another shot of the Tank Platform just at the begining of the Bottling Lines.
3. The Begining of what was Line A-1-F the early computer operated Bottling line that could do 40,000 bottles a day just by itself. It was the most modern Bottling Line in the world on Sept 1966 when it opened!
4. Line C the third line of 11 lines.
5. The only surviving 120 gal Barrel left at Kinsey a vandel has put his name proudly on it to my great dislike and knocked the head in also to my great dislike.
6. The top of the 120 gal barrel. we also had 320 gal barrels and boy did they take alot of work to stack.

Some of the hardest work I did in the warehouse was helping to put these up in stacks 3 tiers high. Before filling them we put a set of floaters in each barrel. Floaters were invented by Continental distilling and were pieces of White oak cut to a certain thickness and length and width and charred heavy and put in all big barrels to get more char wood flavor in the whiskey.

It was thought this idea would give 4 year old whiskey more of the flavor of 10 year old. To this day there are times this idea is brought back. So many industry things used in modern times came from Continental Distilling's committment to inovation!


The last year I worked there we even put one foalter in each 48 gal barrel when filling some times on a numbered lot so they could compare them to another numbered lot without in floaters in the same aging period being filled.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-07-2010, 05:26
Today I have some more awesome Publicker / Continental Distillery pictures from my friend Butch who worked for Continental that the Bigler Street Plant! Here are the pictures including a rare picture of the #4 boiler room taken before the Walt Whitman bridge was built.
1. AA-Acetic Acid Plant taken from Delaware Ave from Phila Industrial Arcives because the Crane later fell on the Brand New 1951 Ford in the picture.
2. This picture is of The Swanson & Snyder Plant where Butch worked for a time and it was at that time listed as the biggest one in the whole Publicker Complex. Still House on The Left DSP-Pa. 1 Main office on the right side of the picture where car is.
3. Picture of the #4 Boiler House Picture taken before the Walt Whitman bridge was ever built.
4. Ad for Publicker comercial Alcohol 1921

5. Ad for our products from the Union book that Butch has I have a friend who has one of these and I hope to get some reproductions made of this for History.

Sorry about the 8th Picture being sideways but the format it was in would not let me do anything with it, but it is an amazing blueprint created by Butch of the original Artist picture of the Distilling Plants having worked there He added all the Info to make it so amazing. Tells you just how things were setup very cool thing.
6.Small Picture of the Bigler Plant with information from Butch
7. The largest Plant in there the Snyder Ave part with info from Butch
8. large PDf of the place with all the details of the whole thing.


I hope everyone enjoys these rare photo's and I hope to get more but I am getting worried about space as my amount of space is getting close to done, but will continue to use pictures to paint the story of Kinsey and Publicker/ Contiental Distilling and what a joy it was to work for the company and the amazing things Mr Neuman did to make this company number 454 on the Fortune 500, 5,000 employee powerhouse it was.
Butch worked for Publicker for 10 years and loved working for them also!

PS if you did not see the rare pictures on my Bottle House thread I posted yesterday please take a look they are from Butch also.
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dave ziegler
05-10-2010, 12:57
On Saturday I was the guest of the Limerick Historic Society and people attending got to see The 48 gal Whiskey Barrel I donated in memory of Si Neuman, Fricky did the repairs on it and I am posting a picture taken then plus some others from that day.

Including one of Me and Al Landis whose Father was the master Distiller for Kinsey Distilling and His name was Hoarce Landis and it was Hoarce that Mr Neuman paid to come out of retirement to help with the starting of the Stills at Inver House in Scotland when they opened.

It was a cool windy day and for such a small event I had alot of people coming out to ask stuff about Continental Distilling and Kinsey.
Pictures are
1. The Barrel
2. Top of Barrel with donation Placard
3. My setup with some explosion proof light setups
4. More of my setup
5. My Old Hickory Advertising Panel and tax strips I gave to the society
6. Another shot of my table
7. Me with my stuff
8. Me with Al landis on my Left, Al Is Jacob G Kinsey's great nephew and is 91 yrs 8 months old!

Just a note in getting some of my Paper work from the plant together for the show I found some documents talking about the experimental use of White Oak Floaters to be used in barrels in 1962. The company had asked the Government at that time and the Government said no to the request. I will scan some of those papers and post them soon.


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-11-2010, 18:02
Tonight I want to post some of my Rare Paper work from Continental Distilling / Kinsey including some stuff from the Government Treasury Dept.
These are just a few of Hundreds of pieces of Paper work I have saved from the plant in the last 5 years.

These are from 1962 through 1971 and cover things like experimental rechared Barrels to slabs being put in ( Floaters made of new chared White Oak ) and the company asking permission to do these experiments and the very tests and how they would do them. I am Lucky enough to have hundreds of differant pieces of paper work for these types of things and will post as many as I can I will let you read what they say and make coments on them. This paper work was in big roll bins in warehouse I, and I saved them to preserve History during the last 5 years.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-18-2010, 09:02
One of the very most important things Continental was always trying to do was Make a high standard Product but keep cost at the best possible price.

The first paper I posted on the thread before this one is one of the ways I think they hoped to do it. This was more then two years before Inver House opened and they hoped this using of used barrels in 1962 with Slabs or as we always called them floaters freshly charred would make it possible to reuse barrels. As we all know Continental pettitioned the Government later to ship used Barrels to Scotland to Inver House when it opened in 1965 to be reused there for Scotch and the Government gave approval for them and others that jumped on the band wagon to do it.
But in this paper the Government states that they can't put Whiskey from Bourbon mash in the barrles with floaters.

When I worked for Publicker Industries they were always one step ahead of everyone one else. I found some old Inventory papers listing Ever Clear on them, they were trying everything they could to be inovative.

The hardest part of the bussiness was and is the government, everything you do you have to always ask them first for permission.

And in 1968 second paper We were still doing experiments with Floaters using Corn Whiskey. I remember the floaters well back in 1968 and when Makers mark brought them back as toasted wood to put in whiskey barrels for better flavor the first thing I thought was how many things we paved the way for that are still used or being used again from our many years of research.

I remember being very proud when I would look at the water tower out front and it stated Continental Distilling Corp / Division Of Publicker Industries Linfield Pa

When I was in the yard gang one of our duties was sweeping around all the Dump troughs to keep the dust down so it would not get in the product when dumped. One of the Key things you always kept in your mind was the timing of the barrels going on the trough as if one barrel did not come up perfectly bung down then all of them would be wrong.

That is why My Boss Jack Raysor on the dump gang I worked on got so mad at the EX Army guy in our crew for moving the barrels so straight in line that they all fell at the wrong place to dump. And Jack let him have it and then gave him the nickname Line e'm Up Louie. He did not last there long and I remember Jack blowing a gasket at him. We then all callled him that nickname it stuck.

The years I worked there were very exciting to be there with all the inovations and the amazing 1966 Bottle house, people from all over the world came there to tour it. Publicker was everything a Fortune 500 Company should be back then with Si Neuman running it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-27-2010, 05:43
I am now going to post the other 3 Pictures at Publicker in Phila that my Friend Butch sent me. These are one of a kind rare pictures I hope everyone enjoys them and also look at the 2 pictures I posted on the Bottle House thread This morning of the Old Snyder Ave Bottle House.

1. This is a picture of Dsp-Pa. 1 The Snyder Ave Still Building taken after It was completed in 1934. They had a giant still on the far end of the plant for Industrial distilling also.

2. Publicker celebrating the 10 millionith bottle of $1.00 whiskey in 1934 The womans name is Pearl Glickman

3. Taste Test in 1939 at the Snyder Ave Distillery

It is my hope for History to get more pictures like this to go with the Kinsey stuff to show how all of us that worked for Publicker had a common goal and that was to make the very Best tasting Spirits of all types at prices the common man could aford.

Mr Neuman was a very Humble and good man who believed in always doing the best you could and buying things you needed to run your plant locally and that every Person was a key part to our Products and the company.
His loss was the end of Kinsey/Continental and Publicker Industries, from the time His Father inlaw Harry Publicker got him running Continental and later all of Publicker till he died the company was a great sucess and number 445 on the Fortune 500 list. When He died the company died.

I found this Old Kinsey Saying On one of my Kinsey / Continental Distilling drink making brosures and it has become a favorite I have used it lately but wanted to High light it today
( The Best Old Fashioneds
Are You'll Find
The Mellow Made With Kinsey Kind )
After Publicker bought Kinsey the Kinsey Blended Whiskey name was found on the Building the Ball drops in times square on New Years eve for a while in the 1940's a tribute to Jake Kinsey and Kinsey Blended Whiskey which was a very big seller in new York City back in the day!

(Just a note again to take a look at the two rare pictures posted on the Bottle House thread this morning also one of the old Bigler Bottle line in 1933 with dixie Belle gin on the line and another of the building in 1934) also I will be posting 5 more rare Plant pictures from Publicker later this week I just recieved from Butch including a picture of the Fermantation tanks and Quality control among them
Dave Z

Jono
05-28-2010, 12:57
Very interesting information Dave! I did not realize how much the BATF had to sign off on almost everything. At least then, the responses were "relatively" quick....6 weeks or so.

dave ziegler
06-01-2010, 03:42
Jono those are just a few of many old papers I will be posting soon. Everything they wanted to do they had to talk and write to the BATF and ask first and wait to hear. Today I am posting some more of the Publicker Phila pictures Butch has sent me and they are

1. The Gin room at the Snyder Ave Distillery about 1934.
2. Fermentation Tanks at Snyder Ave 1939
3. Chemist checking Temps At the Snyder Avenue Distiller
4. Young Lady year 1935 Checking Quality ( Quality Control )
5. Swinging Fermentation Tanks in 1936 Snyder Ave.

To me these are just awesome having worked for Publicker and never having seen the Big plant in Phila. Also I was inlighten to the fact that before the Bigler Street Bottle house there was an old one that was at Snyder Ave. It was there first, then Bigler and finally The Big one at Kinsey in 1966. I also have something neat to post the next time.
Butch sent me some pictures of a couple of Old Publicker Buildings still standing in Phila he took pictures of. They are being used for something else now and I will post them here soon.

Butch said the old Gin room was shut down in the 1960's, also the fermentation tanks were not being used they had another set somewhere in the plant he said he walked through that room at least a thousand times in his years there. He is going to try and find a picture of the Famous Old Hickory Neon Sign that you would always see going over the Walt Whitman Bridge.
Dave Z
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Jono
06-01-2010, 08:40
I see the makings of a company history book for sale in the local museum etc.

dave ziegler
06-17-2010, 06:22
Today I am thinking about our top 3 Bourbon Brands.
1. Old Hickory 80,86, and BIB
2. County Fair Straight BIB 100 proof
3. Charter Oak 80, 86 and BIB.

These were the finest Bourbons you could buy back in those days and at amazingly low prices even for then. One of our goals was to always price even Our Best Old Hickory BIB and 20 yr old anivarsary Old Hickory at a price the regular person could afford. Which most likely is why it so hard to find any Old Bottles. It was so good and people could afford it so they bought and drank it all up.

It is now 31 years since we made Old Hickory and I have my doubts I will ever find anymore I still have a little bit of 86- proof 10 yr old but it may be the last I ever drink. So if you find some by luck enjoy it because you will be drinking the finest Bourbon money can buy for flavor and quality.

Our Products till Mr Neuman died were the best at the right price Something He belived in very much a quality product at a price people could afford.

Our County Fair which I have some old BIB 100 of is out of this world good but very differant from Old Hickory they each had their own Mash Bills and had very differant Flavor profiles.

I never Had Our Charter Oak Boubons but from what I have been told it had its own profile too, which was shared I think with our Doughertys Bourbons.

We had at least 150 brands of Spirits and they were all well made and to suit all types of Tastes. For those who are to young I wish you could have had some of our Stuff. To those who did you enjoyed some fine whiskey back in the day!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-22-2010, 16:49
Well here I am back on again been having some asthma trouble with the high heat here and also having gone two days this weekend to the Antique truck show near here lots of Vintage semi's.

I am as I write I am having shot of the last of my Old Hickory 86 Proof 10 yr Bourbon and as always it is wonderful. I some times get e mails from people who have found some vintage Old hickory and they always love it!

Our Whiskey's were some of the Best ever made back in the day. They just have a flavor that is so differant from todays products. I always loved the smell going into the warehouses and also the smell in the air from the Big bottle House. Last Night I drank some of Our Famous back in the day Peanut Lolita Liquor mixed with Scotch to make our drink called an Endinburg Exspress.

All these years and I still feel sad and can hardly believe what has Happen to Kinsey. I am hoping next month to meet my friend who was high up boss for Publicker. I remember on hot days like today we would stay in the the warehouses and roll dice I can remember going from .50 to $50. only to lose it all back!

The warehouses were wonderful in the heat nice and cool with that wonderful aging Whiskey smell. Every now and then someone from the bottle House would get us new 1/2 Pint flasks to fill from the barrels.

Working for Continental was great and I love the old Place so writting is a work of Love for the Place place. Kinsey was if not the Most beautiful Distillery ever one of the top 2 or 3.

No weeds ever grew in the grass and we had beautiful flowers beds it was a real show place to work. At the time I worked there we belonged to the Old AFL CIO Brewery workers Union and the Union and the Company had a great relationship back in those days. We all worked toward making the best Whiskeys ever made. I will be going back to Kinsey for more Pictures when the weather cools down. There is always something new to take pictures of. When I am there I remember Shorty Tyson ( Harrison Tyson ) Eagle Beak ( Warren Eschbach ), and many other old long gone friends there.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-24-2010, 12:38
This is one of my Favorite memories of Working at Kinsey? I well remember watching the Old timers marking out where they hid their Pints of Whiskey in differant warehouses so they could always have a shot when they wanted it.

Some guys would hide it inbetween the racks and count how many steps to the rack they hid it in. Some guys would stick them inbetween the housings for the heating and cooling systems in the warehouses.

Anywhere they could stick one they did and marked somewhere the place they put it. And nothing would get them more mad then if someone found it and took it or if somehow they forgot where it was.

Every Morning Old Bonda would come in early and fill bottles and then put some in differant places and he always had some under the seat of his 1951 Plymouth Cranbrook.
Bonda was the traffic director at Kinsey and He only got his whiskeys from the Old Warehouses, He knew where the very best stuff was and you would see him early every morning filling his bottles.

One time many years back not I found two 1/2 Pints of Good Scotch in the wall of one of the Old fallen down buildings and I drank one and still have one.

I gave my friend JD in marketing a shot and a 1/2 of the Last of My Old Hickory 86 Proof. He saved it for Fathers day and told me today it was the best Whiskey He ever had being a young guy! He also said He has his Molls friends in other states looking in old time stores in other cities for more!

I say it now and always will to Me Old Hickory was one of the all time Best Bourbons ever made.

I was very Lucky when I was young to work for Continental And proud of Our Products.
Dave Z
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Jono
06-25-2010, 13:51
Dave, time to start using an eye dropper for the Old Hickory!

dave ziegler
07-08-2010, 11:04
Jono I always seem to find some Old Hickory when all seems lost! It has been too hot to go to Kinsey and we have not had any rain for almost 2 months here. But I am today remembering all the old cars and trucks we had driving around at Kinsey.

If you had an old worn out car or truck that still ran ok Kinsey would buy it as the place was so big you needed one to get from one end to the other. All company men had a junker to drive.

I remember we had 3 old 1941 Ford Flat trucks, Bonda had a 1951 Plymouth Cranbrook, Mike Zuno drove a 1953 Dodge Truck to take us from warehouse to warehouse. There was an old 1954 Caddie with half the body cut off made into a pickup.

There also was an old Desoto and the Yard gangs 1946 Blue ford Pickup.

Cars and trucks were running around continueously. They filled up next to the back of the old maintaince barn out front behind the Old Kinsey bottle house there was a Sinclair Dino Pump.

When we hauled the racks we cut out of the Warehouses we used an old farm wagon and an old Ford 8-N tractor.

It was fun just seeing all the old cars and trucks running around. Days went fast you no sooner started and you were out of time. The cool breezes from the river made the air nice and the warehouses were always cool.

The Guards had an old Jeep they would do their rounds in and there were lights all around the plant for them at night. To this day I still find myself looking for lights at night when I go past the plant in the dark hours.

I can still remember the Front water tower lit up at night saying Continental Distilling Linfield Pa Division of Publicker Ind.

If you worked there when I did you would understand the last thing any of us ever thought was the the company would be gone. People who lived near Kinsey loved the place because it was kept perfect and many people in Linfield lived near the plant and walked to work. When I got my job in fall 1966 I was thrilled at the chance. Kinsey Distillery paid well and they were good neighbors to the people who lived in Linfield.
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Jono
07-08-2010, 12:23
Dave, as I asked on another thread re KY distillers....were there any / many minority employees at Kinsey? Just curious, it is an industry that seems to have always been white..for understandable historical development reasons and I assume sometimes location. Maybe the Philly location had more than where you worked (not knowing if there were many African Americans in your area of PA).

dave ziegler
07-11-2010, 10:31
Here are some of the shots from both camera's in warehouse R from Saturday.

1. The Main switch box on the first floor stair well warehouse R
2. The same box at home for restoring in color.
3. Barrel filler from warehouse O saved from vandels destroying it by me when I found it loose.
4. Kulov Vodka boxes never used rotting
5. Piles of Brand new brand boxes never used falling down and an old B-61 mack truck motor from one of the company trucks motors have had parts stolen from through the years.
6. Sandie that woorked in the bottling house must have wrote here when she was in the warehouses in 1981 hope she see's this. Was on the front barrel elevator in warehouse R
7. Warehouse R outside in Black and white
8. Brand new Kinsey Whiskey Cases never used.
9. Haller's Slo Gin cases all filled with never used brand new bottles
10.Roll door at back of R warehouse across from Back Elevator sign says
DSP-Pa.12 room G
11. Back Elevator
12. cases that say Publicker Distiller's they used this name at the end of making spirits late 1970's.
13&14. Front and back of a Bourbon Supreme case Continental Distilling owned the Bourbon Supreme brand and many other American Distilling brands after American Distilling went to making Gasohol!

Every time I go to Kinsey I try my best to get you good shots to show how it was back in the day. It is my Hope I have captured the spirit of Kinsey/Continental Distilling/ and Publicker on these Pictures and what a joy it was to work for them.
Dave Z.
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sandiefett
07-18-2010, 21:26
Yes, Dave, I sure do remember very well writing my name on the wall. I was working with the guys in the warehouse dumping barrels. The whiskey had been sold and we were getting it ready ship to the customers. That one pix, alone, brought back many memories. When we were bottling the cordials in "Happy House" I do not remember doing much of the blackberry but I remember the Slo Gin. There were more bottles leaving the premises in private cars than there were bottles in cases. It was very good stuff!! Thanks for the memories.:grin:

dave ziegler
07-20-2010, 09:18
Glad you saw that Sandie and the other pictures not too many of us Kinsey workers around anymore.
here are 11 more pictures in Black & White of the bottle House and the plant.
1. Walking into Kinsey 3 weeks ago
2. The Old Bottling House Lunch Room chairs stacked on tables waiting to come down for a day that never came to be
3. Whiskey Heater on Back Platform
4. This is an Old Bottle Blowing machine sitting in Room A once the bottles left the room they traveled into room B to be filled, Labeled and packaged. This machine cleaned bottles before they were filled
5. & 6. The Old Safey Quality sign in front of the Lab and Lunch room.
7.Old Vending Machine in Bottle House Lunch room
8. Old Electric Motors and Line back tank area
9. & 10. Water Surge Tanks on back Tank Platform
11. Cases of 1/10 Inver House Mini Bottles / Old 750 ml Lolita Liquor Bottles sitting on top of some cases.

Heres some more memory Pictures for you Sandie, as I am sure the area's in the Bottle House are more known to you then they are to me since all the years you worked in there.

When I get there I always try my best to capture what it was like to be there back in the day and how sad it is today.

I sadly never had the Continental Blackberry Brandy or the Slo Gin but I have been told by some others that the Blackberry Brandy was the best ever made and I know my Peanut Liquor is the best tasting Liqour I ever drank.

What a shame that things went the way they did, If Only Mr Neuman had not died so suddenly who knows the place might still be operating and even have a new DSP-pa-12 there. There were many stories about that happening when I worked there. Stories that they would close the spirits still in Phila and build a new one in Linfield.

Sadly Life takes turns you do not expect and places like Kinsey Die just like People do.
But It Will Stay In My Heart as Long as I am around
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The Mellow, Made With Kinsey Kind!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-30-2010, 06:17
Good news on my quest to post as much as I can about Publicker. The man I have been waiting to meet who worked most of his life at Publicker as a top person has arrived in Pa from Ca. and I am waiting to meet with him very soon. I also have some more information that will be coming my way from someone who's Father worked for Publicker for 27 years and hope to get Pictures and much insight into the Company from other people. This is a most exciting time for me and I will ask all I can about All the plants and historic distilling things I can get. I also have a few more pictures I can post and if it rains Sunday I may get to Kinsey this weekend. They are calling for a chance of rain.

One of the top things I want to find out about is the mid 1940's when they were building the explosion proof warehouses and the top guy knows a lot about that!
Dave Z
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Luna56
08-04-2010, 09:48
Great news, Dave. This trip down memory lane is always a treat. Looking forward to hearing what you've learned.

Cheers!

dave ziegler
08-04-2010, 09:55
I resently saw something that brought back tons of memories to me, a brass barrel labeling Head stencil. I also may end up owning it which would be a dream come true to me.

The one I saw was DSP-Pa-1 Continental Distilling and the fill date was 1945. I remember well stenciling the barrel heads with indelabel ink. what a mess, you had better do as told and wear gloves or your hands would end up black ink colored.

We used two types of of brushes to ink the heads a round brisol one and a rolling one. What a night mare doing hundreds of barrels this way you would pour the ink into the handle of the brush and screw the cap on and alot of time the dam thing would leak ink all over the place, but the stencils for the most part worked great. Being they were metal their weight helped them stay in place.

When done you would have information written that would last such as on mine and Frickys Barrels which has the original labeling under 4 coats of schlack.

It was not one of the jobs I liked but I loved the old Brass stencils!

I also resently saw a bottle of Charter Oak Blended Bourbon it was a blend of different years of aging Bourbons. I hope to get that also.

When we were filling barrels at O building we would have a Government Man there with us and as soon as the barrel was filled it was bunged and flipped up and the top head was labeled with one of these brass Head stencils.

Then it would be hauled by one of the old 1941 Ford flat trucks to one of the explosion proof Warehouses to be put in the racks to age!

That was hard work and many times there were a couple of people doing each job. The best part was the awesome whiskey smell when doing this. We had around 3 sets of hoses with gasoline type handles like the one I posted a picture of on one of the threads not long ago.

All the barrels were done in lot numbers with small stencils after the big stenciling was done.

Then the barrels would be racked so they could sleep and age to be one of our Whiskys. County Fair Had 10 and 4 year, and Old Hickory had 6 yr,10 yr. and 20 year. Each of these two Brands had their own mash bill not used by any of our other brands. In speaking to my Friend from the company he told me our 380 gallon Whiskey barrels were written about in fortune 500 magazine back in the day.

I soon hope to have more pictures and alot of interesting Info abput Continental Distilling.
( The Best Old fashioneds Are, You'll Find The mellow, made With Kinsey Kind!
Dave Z

Jono
08-04-2010, 12:05
No spray painting of the stencil info?

dave ziegler
08-04-2010, 13:02
Jono No paint what so ever, we used Jet Black India Indelible Ink from metal cans we poured it into the end of the brush and screwed a cap on and painted through the stencil onto the barrel. If you saw the pictures of Fricky and my Barrels the writting is done in that original India Ink it was so durable that when we sent used Barrels to scotland to have them filled with Scotch, we had to brush over the writting with heavy white paint before they were bundled and sent there!

The Ink just most times did not wear off unless the Head sat out in the rain for years!

Also it was hell to get off your hands you had to use Gas or thinner to try and get it off if it got on your hands. We were given gloves to use and we used them. Somewhere back I put a picture of the brushes but I may just post a new one so everyone can see. That Ink was as Black as anything I ever saw and boy did it show up good if your Stencil was good. At the end they tried some heavy cardboard stencils but they did not last so for the most part we used the old hand made Brass ones we made there with a machine to make them as we filled them.

Sometimes they would paint the head white or Gray then stencil but for the most part it was Ink on wood. When we used the brass stencils the writting was as good as it gets easily read.
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dave ziegler
08-11-2010, 09:34
On Monday Morning I got a chance to do something I have wanted to do for 2 years. I went with My Friend who was a high up exc with Publicker over to meet Ludy and Al Landis and we Had a great time.

They were talking Jake Kinsey to him while I sat and just listened to the stories. Al was talking about His Dad going to Scotland for Si Neuman to set up Stills and Ludy was telling him about talking to Si Neuman back in the old days at the Bottle House.

We talked about our products and came to the conclusion that Our County Fair BIB was one of the finest Bourbons ever made, put in the Old Hickory and you had a pair of greatest drinking bourbons ever made.

We all talked about how lovely the place looked back in the day and Ludy talked about what It was like keeping all the bottle Lines going back then.
We talked about the 4 deep wells at Kinsey one being the deepest well in our area.
We even talked about Mr Marshel distilling water at O building to send down to the bottle house.
And None of us can figuer what the guy that owns the place was thinking when he shut it down and walked away.
I hope to make many notes from my friend about the history of the company and will post them here as I get them.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-15-2010, 12:51
Well I got something from Continental today I have always wanted, my friend who was a top person in the company gave me a Brass Barrel stencil from 1945. It is brass with a piece fitted on it of steel I do not know why. It has turned black from the many times it was used in 1945 with the India Ink.

Below is picture of it. It has No. 1 Phila at the top which was the plant in Phila at the bottom it has trans NO. 10 pa which was the Kinsey site so the whiskey was maybe distilled at Kinsey in the #10 Rye Barn since it is Rye Whiskey. This Stencil has no month you would write in the Month and filling date after the word Filled on the stencil and the Ser No After the words SER A on the big stencil for the number and lot after the it with small dated for that day cardboard Stenciles one for day month, and one for serial no.after you used the big stencil to put its info on.

This is the first one of these I have seen since 1971 and I think I will hang it on the wall through the Big D in word distilling on top.

As I get pictures or get anything I will post here first before anywhere.
This one may have broke and they fixed it with the piece of metal but it is in great shape for 65 years old.

I am to say the least thrilled to have this for History and will keep it the way it is rather then clean the brass to preserve its history. I am still waiting to see some Plant pictures and will be seeing my friend on my day off tomorrow.

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Dave Z

Luna56
08-16-2010, 22:42
Great stuff, Dave, thanks for posting this.

Cheers to you!!

dave ziegler
08-20-2010, 08:43
Great to hear from you Luna I will be posting lots of things I hope soon. I did get the exact Location of the World wide head Quarters of Publicker in Phila and have a picture of the 16 floor built in 1916 Building.
Mr Neuman had his offices on the whole top floor back then and Harry Publicker when He was Living had an office up there also.

For those who get down to Phila the office was at 1429 Walnut street just at an angle to what was the Old Bellview Stratford Hotel.
Here is a Picture of it.

This was where they ran the company till 1986 when it all ended sadly.

The second Picture is Of 1520 Locust Street where Jake Kinsey Had his Philadelphia Office till he went bankrupt in fall 1939 and the plant was sold to Continental Distilling in a silent Auction.

I hope to have lots of stuff to post very soon and I am very thankful to be able to find all kinds of things out about the company from my friend.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-23-2010, 18:01
Well I recieved 5 Rare original Publicker Pictures mounted on Old fashion Paper board by Art work companies.

1. Artist conception of Inver House Distillery around 1960 before it was built.


Well I am not sure what I can do because the sight has told me I am at the max for pictures which is a shame as I was about to post a late 1930's picture of DSP-pa 1 plus 3 other rare pictures. I will have to talk to the Moderater to see if I can do anything till then I will keep getting pictures from my friend. I wish you could see the next ones but I will ask.
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dave ziegler
08-24-2010, 05:52
Thanks to Jim I have a little more space but from now on posting pictures in size small.
1. Old Poster board mounted picture of DSP-Pa-1 late 1930's
2. Aerial shot of Part of the Publicker Plant
3. Publicker Rail tanker we offten got tank loads of Whiskey this way at Kinsey we would then fill barrels and rack them to age.
I have posted these in small format to save room I also hope to remmove somehow pictures on none Publicker/Continental / Kinsey stuff to be able to post these rare one of a kind pictures.

I also posted a large Artist Coception picture of Inver House Distillery the post before here where I ran out of room please look at it is most amazing. My Friend saved these in a old building after the Company started to go down as there were going to be tossed into a dumpster. They are well worn and silver fish have attacked them but i am going to save as many as I can. I Really love the late 1930's shot of DSP-Pa-1.

And there are many more Plant pictures to be posted most from the 1930' / 1940's.
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dave ziegler
08-27-2010, 18:24
On The page before this one Page #682 the second Picture having fully read the small print from this old Company Picture from the Offices on Walnut street given me by my friend who was a high up person with Continental distilling and saved the pictures. I have posted and many more from the dump when the company went out of bussiness in Phila. Picture in small print
States Publicker Commercial Alcohol Company Alcohol Butadiene Plant CornWells Heights Pa. Bensalem so this was a pre Prohibition Plant that was just outside Philadelphia on State Road in Bensalem this is most likely the only picture in the world of this now gone plant.

In the next few weeks I will be posting more of these rare pictures in smalll size so I do not run out of space and telling where they were!

I will be getting many ld Company Office Pictures that My Friend took to his home to save them from the trash dumpster. They are not in great shape but they show lots of things about the Plant through its history.

I will take a better shot of the picture and repost it.
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unclebunk
08-27-2010, 18:31
Thanks Dave for the great pictures. I love seeing them as always.

dave ziegler
08-31-2010, 17:04
Hey Thanks Unclebunk I am in the process of taking pictures of many old company Photo posters that once hung in their Headquarters on Walnut street in Phila.

If My friend had not saved them at his garage they would be lost for History but sadly the silver fish have been enjoying them.I will be posting everyone I can in small size as ran out of room and the sight gave me a little bit more space I am very thankful for that, so I am going to post till I run out.

Tonight I picked up about 10 more rare Publicker Pictures. I am going to send them to my Friend Butch who worked there for around 20 years so I can get the right information for each picture.

Funny thing Butch never knew about the Cornwells hights / Bensalem Plant he was thrilled at the picture.

Tonight I got a one of a kind picture of The Steers eating Mash at the steer pens at Kinsey Distilley during WWII I intend to post it as soon as I can take a shot of it.

I also have what looks to be Publickers plant Weswego La. I got home late tonight so did not have a chance to take any pictures but I have some great Bigler Street pictures and some more rare shots of Inver house Distillery.

As long as I have room I will post pictures here first for all my friends to see. So keep looking as they will be coming in small but if anyone wants a certain picture I will be more then willing to send them it bigger.

I even have a framed award Continental got for their Lord Sandwich Gin.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-10-2010, 12:07
Today I am posting two more rare 1940's /1950's Pictures of Publickers Bigler Street Plant. I sent them to Butch and he put information on them so I will post the original and the one of it with Outlines about the buildings. Here are both pictures first of each after I cleaned them and used my Digital camera in Black & White mode followed by one of each with highlighted information thanks to Butch for the tech help. It was here good old Old Hickory was made! When I worked at Kinsey during the same time frame Butch worked at the Phila plants both Bigler & Snyder Ave!

Pictures 1 & 4 same photo
Pictures 2 &3 Same Photo
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dave ziegler
09-13-2010, 18:29
Just got home 2 hours ago with my car trunk filled to the brim with Publicker Pictures. Including an oil painting of the Plant from 1943. I will post some tonight and more as can take shots during the week.

My Friend who was in a high position with Publicker has given me every picture he saved back in 1977. Some have gotten bad but all of them show the history of the company which he has told me had only 6 people working when Mr Neuman took over. Mr Neuman turned it into a 5,000 employee company during the time he ran the company.
1. & 2 This is an original Oil Painting of the plant in 1943 first one I put what was left of the Matting with writing, second just the painting.
3. An Original and only known of picture of the original Haller's Distillery bought by Publicker. Note sign says JA Haller and Sons. Plant Sat at the corner of Tasker and Delaware Ave.
4. The original areial picture of Kinsey Distillery right after the explosion proof Warehouses were built and finished by Publicker around 1946 / 47.
5. Publicker Bigler street Plant 1972 with Walt Whitman bridge on right side and the Famous Old Hickory Sign.
6. AA Building with Old Hickory on the top.

I will never forget the first time I saw that neon sign going on the first weeks vacation I ever had on a job taking my Mom and little Sister over the Bridge in my 1963 Chevy to Atlantic City I never felt so proud that I worked for Publicker / Continental Distilling.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-14-2010, 05:50
Just got home 2 hours ago with my car trunk filled to the brim with Publicker Pictures. Including an oil painting of the Plant from 1943. I will post some tonight and more as can take shots during the week.

My Friend who was in a high position with Publicker has given me every picture he saved back in 1977. Some have gotten bad but all of them show the history of the company which he has told me had only 6 people working when Mr Neuman took over. Mr Neuman turned it into a 5,000 employee company during the time he ran the company.
1. & 2 This is an original Oil Painting of the plant in 1943 first one I put what was left of the Matting with writing, second just the painting.
3. An Original and only known of picture of the original Haller's Distillery bought by Publicker. Note sign says JA Haller and Sons. Plant Sat at the corner of Tasker and Delaware Ave.
4. The original areial picture of Kinsey Distillery right after the explosion proof Warehouses were built and finished by Publicker around 1946 / 47.
5. Publicker Bigler street Plant 1972 with Walt Whitman bridge on right side and the Famous Old Hickory Sign.
6. AA Building with Old Hickory on the top.

I will never forget the first time I saw that neon sign going on the first weeks vacation I ever had on a job taking my Mom and little Sister over the Bridge in my 1963 Chevy to Atlantic City I never felt so proud that I worked for Publicker / Continental Distilling.
Dave Z
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I messed up thinking as writting about Hallers the right name on the sign on Picture #3 Post 687 should be WA Hallers & Sons. Dougherty's was the JA , and I do not have a picture of their Plant Sorry about that too many amazing pictures I get too excited. They Bought Hallers in The Late 1940's . 1950's like Kinsey at silent auction.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
09-22-2010, 06:26
Here are 5 more Pictures of Which 4 are totally one of a Kind. Starting from
One here they are.
1. This is a one of a Kind Picture of The Publicker Commercial Alcohol Company Board of Directors early 1930's. In the Front Row 4th from the right in The Light Suit is a very Young Si S. neuman!
2. This is a Picture of Harry Publicker's Private sitting room at Walnut Street offices next to His Son inlaw Si Neumans Office. Picture on the wall in the background is of Harry Publicker.

3. Here we have a picture of the Christmas party for Publicker Commercial Alcohol Company dated 1930. On far right side back side table the Man on the right side of the Lady at the table is Harry Publicker. This party was held at the Belview Straford Hotel in Phila.

4. A Very Nice Picture of The AA Building

5. This is an amazing photo of an Art Painting for a Kinsey Blended Whisky Ad all that is missing is the writting and Bottle Picture to be put on the bottom. The Man in the top hat in the back ground is supposed to be Mr Kinsey in Spirit with them! If you look on E bay you will see this ad complete on paper from magazines. This is the art work the rest in the final Ad would be put in after the Art work was done. It is a very Biig Painting and in nice condition.

I hope these Pictures excite you as much as they do me, I am going to do all I can to preserve them for History.

I talked to My friend Butch who worked at Publicker and he told me he sent all these pictures I have posted to his fellow former Publicker Workers and they all talked about what a great company it was. He said all the fellows he worked with were so well trained they got higher up jobs after leaving Publicker after it closed.
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dave ziegler
09-27-2010, 04:08
In getting these many History Pictures I got something very amazing. I am in process of cleaning out as many Silver fish from it as I can. It is a giant Album of Photo Facts showing every operarating Distillery in The United States in the year 1936 a master catolog, and I saw looking through all the KY ones operating in that year. They are done in areial Blue prints and colored so each building shows up.

The book tells about years operating capacity, and much more. I saw the many old KY Distilleries talked about here on it. What I am going to do is lay it out and shoot pictures of everyone through the year and post them.

The Book weighs about 25 Pounds and is as big as a table top. Continental used it as a guide to other Distiller's. It looks like a giant Picture Album.

Later this week when it is not raining I will try to get started on this project. By taking Pictures its history will be preserved no matter what the bugs are trying to do. It is safe and dry and protected in my Garage.

I also have a couple more Pictures I want to post once I get a chance to take pictures of them. I only looked through the Album a couple of Times quickly but it is nothing short of Amazing.

Everything is colored in the book in pink and yellow and everything was glued from aerial blueprints. Some of the Names and Blueprints of KY Distilleries will blow your minds. During the Many years Continental Operated we worked with many small KY Distilleries on projects for us and them.
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Jono
09-28-2010, 14:28
Wow, what a find! I know you can use Boric Acid as a safe way to kill silverfish...can you store the book in a sealed container with the boric acid in packets?

http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/boric_acid.html

Kill Silverfish Quickly:
Mix a small amount of boric acid, 20% or so with an inert ingredient like "whiting" fold into small packets and place them in dresser drawers, under your sink, or closets to kill silverfish quickly with absolutely no mess.

Mothballs will repel them in a closed space.

silverfish
09-28-2010, 17:07
Wow, what a find! I know you can use Boric Acid as a safe way to kill silverfish...

WHAT?! Well, I know you can use sulfuric acid to kill Jonos.

And here I thought this was a nice place to visit...


Mothballs will repel them in a closed space.

I know of someone who puts mothballs in old 35mm film containers (and
then put those in a box or wherever the problem is) to get rid of silverfish.

Jono
09-28-2010, 20:48
Ha! I sweat sulfuric acid.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MSX1iRymcBI/SaFpWn9DOdI/AAAAAAAAJ_Q/tKcYHW5Izj0/s400/alien%2520model.jpg

dave ziegler
09-29-2010, 08:28
Jono and Silverfish and everyone interested, I think what I will do is get as many pictures of the pages I can while the weather is still ok, then put the Book in a giant size Plastic bag from shipping from work and put moth balls and seal it for the winter!

I may take some pictures tonight as weather is good till late tonight. It is like a giant Photo album for a giant person. Every Distillery in the USA in 1936 is on the pages in colored Blue print and as far as I could see every One in KY that operated in 1936. I will get as good a set of each page as I can and do it from the begining to the end to not forget any.

First I will spray it with a can of Air, then shoot pictures. From what I remember first looking after I got it Last week there is information about each distillery with its blue print. And from what my friend who was in a high position has told me, it was Continental's way of seeing who was doing what after the end of Prohibition, who would work with them in a common goal, best whiskeys and competing fairly and what they could do for each other.

The book even listes Kinsey and that page was updated to say our's now.

It was made by a famous blueprinting type company and I will post a picture of the front cover with the info.

I will have to post in Small as My room left to post is limited and only Thanks to the Boss of the sight's Kindness I have some space. But once you see it you can take it and blow it up to what size you want.

I am very excited about this book and some day it will go to a museum but I have to get it much cleaned before that ever happens. Having worked in a museum as a young man I learned alot of things to repair and preserve History and I will do my best with this giant book I will also measure its size tonight.

When I post I will try to do very many by putting some on all 3 of my threads.
This is important to me because of all the hundreds of Distilleries in the book. And All the People from KY who will want to see colored Blue prints of 1936 Distilleries in the book.

Once the weather gets cold I will bag it seal it and put it up in a high dry place in my Garage with Mothballs to kill the silver fish over the winter. Untill then I will get started documenting as many pages as pssible before winter.
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Jono
09-29-2010, 09:25
I know this is a huge project, but do you plan on putting the digital photos through a picture editor to tweak the washed out colors? Often, you can really enhance a faded photo with a few standard tweaks.

dave ziegler
10-04-2010, 09:50
Jono I plan on brightening them up a bit on my Photo controls on my computer if needed. Going to get started soon but will be doing something next week so may not get many up till the 18th of the month. First I need a clear day or two, raining again today.

I also have something I was told I must mention per my Friend who was a High up Person at Publicker. He told me He has with all the good things from History he has given me, ones I have saved for History myself and my writings and feelings about the company made me the official Historian for Publicker Industries / Continental Distilling and Kinsey Distillery. He insisted I post this as He said when He goes Home he will be reading all my Stuff! I feel more honered then words can say.

It is something I can hardly believe someone who had the position in the company He had would give me, but He said I have done more to promote the Company and Its great History then anyone else.

Loving the Kinsey Plant as I do, it is just a title given me by Him but to me a badge Of Honor to speak of the Company and how great it was.

I also have to take a picture of something else special I have, I have some of Si Neumans playing Cards with his Initials on the back SSN I will shoot a picture of them and post it soon.

Yesterday I went to Kinsey and shot two rolls of 35 MM film in two different Camera's and I will scan them and post them soon too!
I should have started the Album rpoject but it was such a nice day and I had not been to Kinsey for many weeks and wanted to walk around.
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dave ziegler
10-24-2010, 17:05
Well I am home from my trip to WV and going to post a couple of shots out of the book. Have to post them in small so I do not run out of room.
1. Here is the front cover of this rare old book. It weigh's about 30 pound and is 25 3/4 inches high, 24 inches wide and over 3 inches thick. Made by Savborn Map co in 1936
2. Kinsey Distilling, says Ours in fine print
3. Continental Distillery

4.Elverson Distilling
5. Foust Distilling
6. Joseph S Finch Distillery.

There are hundreds of Distillery's in this book including all the KY ones back in 1936. I hope these are readable I am trying to shoot pictures of them as best I can.
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dave ziegler
11-08-2010, 02:56
Been sick with a real bad sinus infection so not posting but this morning I want to post a cool shot of Si Neuman on the company Hot line from his home in Palm Beach FL., back in the 1960's.
Here is the picture I hope to do more if I feel better this week as I want to get more of The Distillery Maps up and will do a couple of them in a bigger size but my room is very limited here .
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dave ziegler
11-14-2010, 18:12
During the week I asked my Friend Butch who worked at Publicker in Phila to send me 4 Pictures he had of Continental Distillings Inver House Distilley back in the Old days. And I am now going to post them in small so I can continue to post pictures here and have space!
1. The Inver House Distillery Plant
2. Another shot of the Inver House plant
3. going into the Big Still at Inver House in Scotland
4. Inside the Inver House Still

I have had a very Busy day today instead of getting things done at Home I took my Friend who worked for Publicker in a high position in Liquor sales for a tour of what is left of Kinsey. It broke his heart seeing it like it is but we walked all over the Plant and many buildings were open so I took him in the old 1966 Bottle House and we walked around with flashlights just looking in amazment at the ruin of it all.

It had been many years since he was there, and He had not been there alot when it operated so I took him all the way to the road down to the steer Pens and told him about the different operations once so proudly ran there!

We spent 3 Hours looking and talking and he Like I hated seeing it the way it is but still glad to walk there once more and remember.
I got home and had a shot of 1947 Charter Oak Bourbon He had given me to Just relax from the sadness of it all. I talked to him later this evening and He was so glad I took him through and so sad to see what has happen to Kinsey.

In a week or so He will go back to Ca till summer next year when He hopes to sell his home here. It is by his help I was able to get all the vintage pictures of the Phila Plant and learn much about its operations. If he would not have saved those pictures from the Dumpster all that History would have been lost after 1976 when Mr Si Neuman died so suddenly.

As I Find Historic Pictures I will continue to post till there is no more room.
I will always be proud I worked for Publicker and remember all the amazing things Mr Si Neuman did to make the company a 5,000 employee company from 6 people and number 435 on the fortune 500 back in the day!
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CorvallisCracker
11-18-2010, 09:58
Hey Dave - check out this OH ad. I'm not sure if she would qualify as one of the "Nicest people". I know my mom wouldn't think so. :cool:

dave ziegler
11-19-2010, 09:43
Hey Dave - check out this OH ad. I'm not sure if she would qualify as one of the "Nicest people". I know my mom wouldn't think so. :cool:
Scott That is a very nice Ad We had so many good marketing ads, the company was always ahead of the pack! Thanks for sharing that one never saw it! Be Well Scott and thanks for reading my Posts!
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CorvallisCracker
11-19-2010, 09:46
By the way, Old Hickory was the most recent (completed) VBT (in the Tasting forum), #301.

dave ziegler
11-19-2010, 10:58
By the way, Old Hickory was the most recent (completed) VBT (in the Tasting forum), #301.
Thanks for telling me about that tasting Scott, Your quite right Medly bought if not all most of the Old hickory 99%, He had right from Kinsey in Linfield by the Full bottles ones like yours over stamped, tankers and Barrels also Labels and new bottles to over stamp and fill. I know alot about this because a couple of Years ago I spoke to him for about 40 minutes about those sad days I myself once had one of the overstamped full bottles and enjoyed it . He traveled up to Linfield in the last days to buy from them. He also told me he always had a great relationship with Publicker back in there good days. Told me the people there at the End after Si neuman died 1976, did not have a clue in 1979, a sad thing for sure.

Ps Wish I had a bottle of Old Hickory Now just a drop left and most likely never find any again!



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dave ziegler
11-22-2010, 05:28
Yesterday I took a walk through Kinsey again noticing much being destroyed by the ever working Vandels. The Old Kinsey Bottle House is slowoly being robbed of anything Metal. I am sure glad I got the 100 year old light bulbs from there before they could smash them!

There is not much left now but ruin I wish I would have gotten there years earlier as there was so much history trashed. But Thankfully I did save many original Mash Bills and matching grain bills for the distilling days in spring 1951.

When I got home last night I got out the Big Sams Maping book my friend who was a high up in the company gave me and cleaned it of any silver fish mess.

The pages have all died off in the cold dryness of my garage, and the pages are nice and dry and much cleaner then I thought. I paged through the front say Pa & Maryland but halfway through there is another whole half of all the Distilleries in KY. Names I have only read of and heard of here.
I plan once Better weather comes again to take pictures of everyone in the book and post as many as I can till my space is gone. I will have to do them small but they can be made big again for those who want them.
My mind has gone blank but many famous Distilleries with their DSP number included!

I also found an updated blue print page when Publicker bought her of Kinsey in the back half with all the Warehouses and the Year they were Built.

Of the 14 exposion proof Warehouses #38,T,S,Q,L,J,K,O,M,I,C,N were all built in 1946,P,and R were built in 1947 and The All purpose Warehouse U which became the 1966 Bottle house was built in 1951. Sadly it is in worse shape then the others.

I am so glad to finally know the for sure time line. also I now know that the aerial Picture my friend gave meof Kinsey was taken at the end of 1947 the year I was born as everything but the Bottle house building is on the picture, and the two Half Million Gal tanks put there in 1961.

It is no wonder the explosion proof warehouses were so nice when I worked there as they were only 19 & 18 years old when I started there! The 1966 Bottling house was built during the couple of Years My Dad worked there and would have been 15 years Old when it was made into the 1966 Bottle House and the great days were coming!

The right time line has always been important to me getting History right.

This Sams Distillery Maping book is now in heavy Plastic to kill any thing that might be in it, but it looks now to be fine condition and a very important piece of History. In the front is the Kinsey Distillery before they bought it and built, I want to revisit that page to see it there is any exact time line on any of the original Kinsey buildings!

I went into the Old Kinsey bottle house hoping the vandels had not stolen the old Whiskey blender but sadly it is gone to the dump, all the more reason I am glad I saved what I could.
I will post some pictures from the book soon.



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Josh
11-22-2010, 16:19
Yesterday I took a walk through Kinsey again noticing much being destroyed by the ever working Vandels. The Old Kinsey Bottle House is slowoly being robbed of anything Metal. I am sure glad I got the 100 year old light bulbs from there before they could smash them!

There is not much left now but ruin I wish I would have gotten there years earlier as there was so much history trashed. But Thankfully I did save many original Mash Bills and matching grain bills for the distilling days in spring 1951.




Dave Z



That's too bad about the vandals, Dave. I guess in times like these, people are so desperate they're willing to risk stealing scrap metal just to make a few bucks. It's a shame nobody's able or willing to protect such a historic building.

But keep up the good work Dave! Every old distillery needs heroes like you!

dave ziegler
12-01-2010, 18:28
Well Here are 3 Pictures from the Sams 1936 Distillery Maping book that belonged to Publicker that my Friend who was a high up with Publicker gave me.
1. The Happy Hollow Distillery - AKA - "Burks Spring Distillery" KY # 44. 10 mile west of Lebanon KY in Marion County KY
2. Kinsey Just after Continental Distilling bought it in 1940.
3. Kinsey Distillery after 1951 showing that 12 Explosion Proof Warehouses were built in 1946 written on each building is the date built, Warehouses P & R 1947 and all Purpose Warehouse U later to become the 1966 state of Art Bottle House was built in 1951!

It is my Hope that everyone can read the writting on these pictures once you blow them up, it is very hard trying to get each page to come up good.

Tuesday I talked to the last living Boss I had at Kinsey Jack Raysor who just turned 92 in Nov. Jacks father also worked at Kinsey. There are not many of us Left so It is very important that I post as much as I can about the company as my time is winding down too!
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Jono
12-06-2010, 16:37
Dave, are there any listings for old distilleries in Peoria, Il?

dave ziegler
12-26-2010, 14:04
Jono as for your question I will look in the spring when I can get the book back out!

Well as I said earlyer when writting on my other threads I am now going to post more very rare Publicker Philadelphia Plant pictures during operation and at abandonment also.
Here we go with each picture and the year and what it was
1.The first Picture is of Charles Jacquins We distilled the Molasses and Gin for them at Bigler street and bottled many of there products at the Old Kinsey bottle house which was built in the early 1930's and ran till fall 1979 till Publicker quit the drinking Liquor bussiness.
2. The AA building was erected by the Gov't in the early 1940's for the manufacturing of Acetic Acid for Rubber, to be used for the war effort. A congressional committee visited Bigler street to check out the facility, before authorizing the AA building to be built.The Government at wars end sold the bldg to Publicker for a $1.00.
3. Snyder Ave Barrel House in 1947 the year I was born
4. Snyder Ave Barrel House II 1947
5. Philadelphia Motorcycle Policeman escorting a Publicker Alcohol delivery truck to the area hospitals during Prohibition in 1933. This was done because of the danger of the Mob going after the truck.
6. Here is the Bigler Street Plant abandon in 1989 you can see the Ethanol Columns in the distance.
7. The Amylase Spheres at the abandon Facility in 1989 Bigler Street Plant.
8. View from Delaware Avenue Clock house ( Whats Left of it! ) You can see the main road that goes to all areas of the plant in the distance.
9. Here is an Old Picture of Publickers on Strike in 1951 at The Bigers street Plant.
10.The Abandon AA Building being tagged Danger " Super Fund site " in 1989.
11. This is the last picture and a very sad one It is a photo of the old Wooden Grain Processing buildings burning in 1992 set by Vandels. Butch said this was the Hardest Picture of all for him to look at as He worked many times in those old buildings and has many great memories of the people who worked there when He did.

These pictures like the Pictures from Kinsey show the very Sad ending of Publicker starting 10 years after Si Neuman died. I have been by the site and found there are a few buildings still there but 90% of the Plant is gone forever.

Sorry I have to do these in small but my space to post pictures is very limited due to all the ones I have done n the last 3 years.

Butch worked there for 10 years starting the year after I started at Kinsey and I want to thank him for sharing these great shots and others He has given me for the sake of History.
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Jono
12-29-2010, 13:20
# 2...what a bunch of gangsters!

Josh
12-29-2010, 18:35
Great pictures Dave! I love reading this thread. You come up with such great photos.

dave ziegler
01-01-2011, 18:48
Thanks for the Kind words Josh I am sort of driven to find the best stuff I can from the History of the company and I am glad you enjoy the thread. Tonight I have some more new stuff I will post in small as my room left is limited.

Here are 7 Pictures from my newest stuff
1 A small news paper story about 5 women getting caught steeling Whiskey in their Girdles. Publicker employed the Pinkertons for these jobs as they were the only security company with Female guards.

2. Publickers sugesting the Distillers all shut down during a grain shortage after the war.
3. Harry Publickers Passport as a child coming from Russia to America
4. The Knabb Barrel works the biggest Barrel maker in the country bought by Publicker, it was in Marcus Hook Pa and Publicker never changed the Name after they bought it. It was where Ludy learned to be a cooper!
5. A Tipical Knabb Rail car for hauling New Barrels
6. A Bootleging Plot against Publicker, To steal 8100 gal of Pure Alcohol
7. An Extorsion Plot against Harry Publicker in 1936.

I have a few more yet I will post in the next day or so. And I will continue to look for more History for Publicker / Continental Distilling and Kinsey.
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Luna56
01-01-2011, 23:00
Dave, love the story about the gals hiding booze in their girdles. Hilarious!

Cheers!

dave ziegler
01-02-2011, 14:17
Glad you enjoyed the story about the Ladies stealing whiskey in their Girdles Luna. Here are a few more stories and pictures I just got from my Friend Butch who worked for Publicker for 10 years from 1967.
1. News Paper artical from 1944 Publicker Buys Knabb Barrel works in Marcus Hook Pa.
2. Harry Publicker's Mansion
3. A government committee at Publickers Butadiene Plant in Bensalem Pa. Acetic Acid from the AA Building at the main plant came to Bensalem to make Butadiene.
4. Senators Guy Gillett & George Norris have the rubber process explained at Publickers Besalem Butadiene Plant Aug 9, 1942 by Polish Inventer Szukiewic
5. An Old Governors Club ad.
6. An Old Ad for a barrel workers from Harry Publicker

I will have many more pictures in the future Hopefully Butch worked in Phila yet like me we never knew about the Bensalem Plant till I got Pictures of the Bensalem Plant from my friend who was a high up person with Publicker in Liquor Marketing.
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dave ziegler
01-09-2011, 14:53
Here are some new Pictures taken by Me of Kinsey and other things.
1. This is the Old Stairway up to the Old Pot still that used to be in the Old #10 Rye Barn. Build by Jacob G Kinsey.
2. The Historic Part of the stair case removed and now at Kinsey West My Home. My friends surgicaly cut and removed it for preservation. In spring It will go to Fricky to Have sclack put over the Historic Lettering to completely preserve the wood and words. I will take it this week and get a cable put on the back to Hang it and also to carry it easily. The writting is in India Indelible Ink, which is what was used on the barrel heads.
3. 3 of Si Neumans Personal Poker cards S.S.N on back of cards
4. Closeup S.S.N. Si S. Neuman poker card
5.One of Si Neumans Personal Habanos-1834-Havana Cuban Cigars
6. Closeup of the Cigar Band S.S.N. Si S. Neuman
7. My Friend who was a high up person with Publicker in marketing gave me the Only surviving aerial Photo taken of Kinsey in 1947 when the 14 Explosion Proof warehouses were just finished being built.
"Note"
at very back a little out of place because of cropping when they took the aerial shot you can see the Like New famous steer pens where steers were raised during WWII and the meat going to WWII Service men.



"Note out front"
No 1/2 million Gal Stainless Whiskey tanks next to warehouse K on Left side last warehouse left side going front open space they were built in 1961 toward front

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Not in Picture Warehouse U explosion proof two football fields long 1/2 a football field wide. which later became the 1966 bottle house.
It was built in year 1951. I had to take this picture and have it remated and the frame redone and the inside glass cleaned. I now after many tries trying not to get glare from the glass was able to get a nice shot to Post here. The year Late 1947 the same year I was born and around the month I was born Sept. Kinsey 1947!
It is always a privilage for me to be able to post the History of Kinsey and Continental Distilling and Publicker Industries. It was a great company with Great people.
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Jono
01-10-2011, 16:30
Dave, where did the cigars come from (who provided them)?

dave ziegler
01-11-2011, 17:18
Jono the answer to that is easy My Friend who was High up in the company was one of many who worked at The 1429 Walnut street Headquarters and Mr Neuman used to share his good Cuban Cigars with them. My Friend had a couple he kept after Mr Neuman Died for the Memories and gave me one this fall before going home for the Winter He will be back in April so that is how I got one of Mr Neumans Cigars. And I wanted to share it with everyone here on SB.

Publicker used to buy all their Molasass from Cuba for distilling back in the day, till they could not anymore and Mr Neuman got cigars and the Cuban Company that made them put his name on the Bands figuering it would please him and he would buy more!

I plan to post some more stuff soon but not feeling very good tonight having some stomach trouble and we are having a snow storm which will make going to work interesting in the early am.

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dave ziegler
01-12-2011, 09:29
I am planing on Posting some more Pictures here soon. And glad I took as many pictures as I did through the years of Kinsey before all the resent vandels got there

I have learned through more information that our other Barrel manufacturing Plant was in St Louis Mo as I had said before but totally sure now I do not yet know what it was called but we had it, the Knabb barrel plant in Marcus Hook Pa, A bottling House in Lemont Il. A large Butidiene Plant in Bensalem Pa. Kinsey, a Foresting operation in Ga for white Oak to make Barrels. And Our Large Plant in Phila, and another Large industial chemical plant in Westwego LA.

And Our Large Lab in Edgemont Pa and on the Publicker site in Phila a very large Dry Ice Plant called Therm Ice that took all the Carbon Di from distilling and made dry Ice. We could distill up to 70 million Gal a year by our permits which were gotten during pre prohibition to make industrial Alcohol and drinking Alcohol if we ever wanted to and it was legal to again,
which started in 1933 once prohibition was gone for good! And back in the 1940's through till spring 1951 operated two Distilling plants and made our Rittenhouse Rye Whiskey at Kinsey!
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Josh
01-12-2011, 16:47
Again, great pictures and stories Dave. I especially like the aerial photo of the warehouses. It must have been fun to work there at that time. I'm looking forward to more of them too!

In case Dave and others haven't already read it, Chuck's most recent blog entry is about Old Hickory: http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2011/01/remembering-old-hickory-whiskey.html

You even get a mention Dave!

dave ziegler
01-16-2011, 14:14
Here are some more shots of the Philadelphia Publicker Plant and a shot of Our Headquarters again my Friend Butch who worked at The Phila plant supplyed me with these.
1. The company Headquarters 1429 Walnut street Philadelphia
2. Bigler Street Plant 1941
3. Bigler Street Plant 1941
4. The Bigler Street Plant in 1939
5. The Bigler Street Plant in 1937
6. I wanted to Post this copy picture I made from the Aerial Picture my Friend gave me of Kinsey in Fall 1947 it is one of a Kind and I thought I would post it again in case someone missed it the other day. The big explosion Proof Warehouse U which later became the 1966 Bottle House was built in 1951, around the time My Dad worked for Kinsey!

I spend just about everyday trying to find as many Pictures of Our Plants as I can and it is very excting when I get some given me or find new ones myself.

When I come to Kinsey they are Limited but the one I posted the other day #6 today is one of a kind I shot a picture of from the original which belongs to me I just had it remated and the frame is the original and My Friend who was high up in Marketing gave it to me this Fall it is the Only Known one saved from 1429 Walnut Sreet, taken by Aero Pictures in Fall 1947 about the time I was born.
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dave ziegler
01-17-2011, 10:24
Here is something to add to Last nights Post #719
A Picture of Jacob G Kinsey's 1520 Locust Street office Building. Just got it this morning and thought it would be nice to post it next to Last nights picture Posts.
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dave ziegler
02-01-2011, 09:49
Today I want to post 4 more old Continental / Publicker pictures given to me by my Friend Butch. I think the book is from the mid 1930's will ask Butch and post the time period.
1. A picture of Harry Publicker scaned by Butch from a book that had all Publicker products on it bought by my friend Butch who worked for Publicker for 10 yrs on E Bay.
2. The Book, it has every Brand Of stuff the Company made!
3. 3 Women at a hearing for being Caught stealing Whiskey from the Phila Bottle House. From news paper
4. Other people going to the hearing for being caught stealing Whiskey at the Phila plant. from news paper
5. A Very Old Publicker Antifreeze Can Our big brand was thermo Antifreeze, sold on Ebay.
I am going to see if Butch can get some copies made of this book and if he can I will get some more copy books of the Kinsey Auction book made to swap him one for one, so I can post more pictures. I will be posting some of My Oldest Publicker / Continental Distilling bottles some time this week on the Fire Observation thread.
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dave ziegler
02-06-2011, 15:48
Here are two pictures of Publickers First big Headquarters in 1935 before their 1429 Walnut Street Headquarters.
1. 260 South Broad Street Philadelphia the Atlantic Building was the first big Headquarters Building for Publicker in 1935.
2. Another shot of the Atlantic Building Publickers First Headquarters. They Later Moved to 1429 Walnut Street Center City and were there till the End. I also posted some rare Bottle Pictures on the Fire Observation Thread.
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dave ziegler
02-28-2011, 05:45
Well here I am back posting on all three of my Threads I have been fairly sick the last 2 1/2 weeks first with a Infection / Virus that had me miss work for two days and 4 days in bed, then one of my teeth got infected and has to be pulled today, so getting caught up on questions and some writting here. Here are three Pictures of the raw grain Equipment going from the silo's to the grain drying Building.
1. The Grain Process equipment going into the Grain dryer year 2002 in ruin.
2. The grain process equipment in early 1940 from the Kinsey Auction book.
3. Then Grain drying area with everything taken by the people who claimed they were going to buy Kinsey while they took all the metal they could. Picture taken June 16 2006 by me.
I wanted to post these three together so you could see the way things were and how they are now. I plan in the next couple of weeks to go walking at Kinsey again it has been a couple of Months since I have been there around Nov 2010. I have been told the Latest things stolen are pieces of Stainless Pipe cut from the 1/2 million Gallon tank area.

It is very Hard for me to see things like this happen to Kinsey and to Know that Kinsey is gone forever as far as operation and is slowly being striped of everything and anything. I am very glad for the pieces of History I have saved from there and the things I remember working there.

I think it would be neat if for one day I could travel back in time to Kinsey to watch as my friends worked there and the daily Operations.
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Jono
03-07-2011, 14:44
Dave, thanks to Kickert's link to Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau....

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicDisplaySearchBasic&ttbid=90021129

Looks like Old Hickory label was surrendered. Maybe you can scoop it up!

It shows Illinois as the origin...must be the old bottling plant.

dave ziegler
03-11-2011, 09:07
First Jono the reason it has IL is that Old Hickory was made before Prohibition by another distiller and Publicker Bought the Label in 1933 when Prohibition ended and used the Name to make their Finest Bourbon completely different from the original. Continental Distilling started in 1933 when prohibition ended with Mr Si Neuman and Harry Publicker sitting down and creating all the brand names for their future products, except for Old Hickory which had been well Known back in the day and during the creation time they tried to tie lots of Names to Places in Phila.

One example being Rittenhouse rye which was originaly called Rittenhouse Square Rye! Or who could forget Cobbs creek Blended and as far as The Philadelphia name besides the Blended Whiskey, way Back there was Philadelphia Straight Rye Whiskey which I had a bottle given me by my friend who was high up in Marketing, and it is wonderful Rye!

Working for Publicker I can tell you that Old Hickory had its own Mash bill not shared with any other one.

Our Finest Bourbon Whiskeys were in order of the best
1. Old Hickory Bourbon - Its own Mash Bill
2. Hallers County Fair BIB -Its Own Mash Bill
3. Charter Oak
4. Planters Club Striaght Bourbon

The Last place Old Hickory was ever made was Medley where Mr Medley had bought all our Whiskey for Old Hickory already bottled, tankers and barrels full. He told me he sold the brand to someone else who He thought later sold it to Leroux Liquor's but He was not sure who had it now. I would love to own the label as I would find someone to make and put the Finest Bourbon in the Old Hickory brand.

If someone bought it to live off its past with Poor whiskey in the bottle I would rather the name ever be used again.

I have two of the Medley bottles he bought from us He stamped over Linfield Pa and put Ownensboro KY on the label of the full bottles he bought and He also bought Labels and stamped over them. I am lucky to have two of these bottles in my collection of bottles.
Dave Z
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Jono
03-11-2011, 16:19
I wish I knew how the label can be obtained....I wonder if the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau has information on such a transaction. I imagine you have to be "in the business of distilling" to actually buy the label.

Do any of your old papers show the actual mash bill?

dave ziegler
03-21-2011, 11:22
I do not have the Continental Old Hickory Mash Bill Jono! Yesterday I took what turned out to be a very sad and depressing walk through Kinsey after not going there since Nov due to the bad weather. I saw two young guys stealing sheet metal I did not say anything as not wanting to get in a fight. But what really killed me was going into the Old Kinsey Bottle House where all the Liqours were always made for Continental and seeing that much more of the upper burned out second floor has fallen in due to Pipes being stolen. And the thing that mad me almost blow a gasket was seeing all the stuff that was stolen by the guy this winter who pretented he was going to buy Kinsey.

He cut all the heating pipes and stole the Old Kinsey Whiskey Blender I wish I could beat on Him. I talked to some kids and they told me He drove around town during Dec and told everyone he was buying Kinsey so he could just walk in and steal at will I got some people to call the realter and they said he never talked to them about buying it.

The people I told saw him in there one morning around 4:00-am called the police and they got him for tresspass only, as He did not have any metal at the time.

It is getting hard for me to enjoy going in unless I am telling someone about the place because of all the ruin now.

I took some pictures which I will post tomorrow.
Dave Z
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ethangsmith
03-21-2011, 15:56
Dave, I'm going to try and nail down a weekend in April to get down so we can go through everything. I look forward to it!

dave ziegler
03-22-2011, 11:40
Ethangsmith Let me know and make it early April becasue of Ivy poison and weeds as I want to take you on a trip through how everything operated! Today I have a couple of special pictures from the time when Mr Kinsey Had Angelo Myers promoting his Whiskeys. Mr Myers never owned the Plant and I can prove that by statements of His great Nephew Al Landis and Ludy who worked for Mr Kinsey.

When Mr Kinsey started he needed someone well known to get people to try his straight whiskeys so He choose Angelo Myers a highly well Known Spirits broker.

1. & 2. Are prepro ads for Kinsey Products with Mr Myers Name on the Distillery
3. An old order form to get a case of Whiskeys note addressed Philadelphia where Mr Myers Had his office.
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dave ziegler
04-05-2011, 09:37
Today I want to talk about one of the Finest Bourbons ever made Continental Distillings Top seller Old Hickory Straight Bourbon Whiskey and its History before Publicker Bought the Brand at the end of Probition and Once Publicker took that Name and made it one of the most famous Brands of Whiskey Ever! The Brand Old Hickory was first branded and used in the year 1907 by a company called Fleckenstein-Mayer based in Portland OR. the Company was started in 1876 by Henry Fleckenstein who later 1901 took on a partner Named S. Julius Mayer. They used the Old Hickory Whiskey brand name from 1907 till prohibition in 1915 when they went out of bussiness.
They must have had their Old Hickory made for them in KY as an Old Coaster picture I have says Hand made in Woodford county KY so it most likely was made at the " Old Crow Distillery" there back in those days or another in the near area? Not sure just guessing with the statement on the coaster. From what I could find they were just Liquor Merchants like many others those days who had products made for them.
For some reason the Picture I posted of the Coaster that says woodford KY did not show here so I will post it on a short thread right after this one.



1.through 3. Are A fleckenstein Old Hickory shot glass, a Picture of their Offices in Portland OR, and Old Letter head from the long gone company.
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These are Old Hickory once Continental Distilling bought the brand name
4. A Continental Distilling Ad for Old Hickory
5. This picture is of the Owners manual for my Old Hickory Caraf set of Whiskey Bottles made by Continental Distilling
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When Prohibition ended Publicker in early 1933 Quickly bought the Old Hickory brand and used it till late fall 1979/80.
They turned a Known Pre pro brand name into an amazing high Quality Bourbon brand with choices of 80 proof 4 yr & 6yr, 86 proof 10 yr and Old Hickory BIB 100 proof, and Old Hickory Aniversary 20 yr old Bourbon made with whiskey from The Old Kinsey Warehouses D,and E down front near the river with Barrels from the early 1950's I saw back when I worked there in the yard gang.

When I get a chance I will post a picture of the First Continental Old Hickory Bourbon Bottle made after Prohibition, as I have one.
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dave ziegler
04-05-2011, 09:59
Here is the Picture of the coaster I was not able to get to go on the thread right before here. Please look there #730 first. This coaster was Old Hickory when it was distilled for Fleckenstein in the mid 1900's. Don't know why but had to redo the picture to get it to go on so it was to late for the thread before which was about this picture and the early Old Hickory Story. please go back page 73, #730 for the story as my luck here today has put this on the next page from the story I am having a bad day today
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-26-2011, 12:01
Here are some of my latest pictures in the Plant during Sat April 2 and Monday April 25 something went wrong here and only 7 came up so I have to try and repost the 30 others again later this week or next
1. looking down from the mid plant 1/2
million gal tanks to O warehouse
2. Old Silos and grain drying building

3.. Grain Process building from here it went to the Still area.
4. Walking toward the Old Kinsey Maintaince Barn looking at what is left of the Old DSP-pa 10 Kinsey Rye Barn.
5. A Pile of Bricks where the Old Kinsey Plant Office once stood next to the Old Kinsey Bottle House stands in ruin.
6. Cathotonic and Anatonic tanks April 25 very wet in there.
7. two weeks ago of the Old Bottle House was dry and now on April 25 after all the rain the water was to deep for me to walk in.

I loved the Old Kinsey bottle House it was the first Bottling house I was ever in when I started there, and Ludy and Al Landis have told me so many great stories about it!
Also Many of the Ladies that worked in the Big Bottle House loved the old one because they could get a drink alot easier there and they nickmaned it Happy House! Hope these pictures have been interesting, and I hope sometime in the near future to get in the Big bottle house to take pictures of what the Vandels have done including the guy who told everyone in Linfield He was buying the Place just so he could go there during the Christmas Holidays to steal. I also hope I can get my other pictures to post.

I can never forgive him for stealing the Old Blender from the Old Bottle House before I could save it for History.
Dave Z
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mike22487
05-04-2011, 06:36
Hi Dave. I walked through the property the last time i was in Pa to take some pictures of the property, this was on 7/31/2010. Here are some of the pictures from there, I have many more but it is nothing you haven't seen.

Old Truck behind the bottle plant
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6900.jpg

the large tank that seems to move all around
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6808.jpg

Fire extinguisher dated from 79/80 surprised that is still there
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6797.jpg

Graffiti in one of the 2 large tanks
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6686.jpg

The fire observation tower
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6711.jpg

Nature taking the warehouses back
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6707.jpg

The scale in the building with the tanks out back (forgot the name if it)
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6681.jpg

Room with some fuse boxes, empty of course
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/mike22487/IMG_6680.jpg



PS. Dave I PM'ed you on the other forum hope you get my message, I will send you one on here also

dave ziegler
05-08-2011, 11:53
Hey Mike I will get in touch with you to go to Kinsey! Here are some new pictures from the plant from last week and early April.

1. Last week leaving the Plant I discovered 5 original charred Floaters laying where valdels had tossed them plus one broken in half. I brought them home and while I was next to the old Guard box I took a picture of two of them. When we started the 380 gal and 120 gal Whiskey Barrels when I was in the yard gang we where directed certain amounts of charred Floaters to be put in each barrel as we filled new barrels. They had experimented with floaters back in 1962. So when Makers did their thing last year it was with an idea which Continental Distilling had tried way back in 1962.
2. The Original big sign from warehouse R waiting for Fricky to shlack for me when he can. It is safe at Kinsey east.
3. This is an old Wood laminate Picture with the early products of ours from our 1947 Broshure this once hung at Continental Distillings World wide Headquarters at 1429 Walnut Street Phila. It was given to me by my friend who was high up in Marketing for the company.
4.A shot of the fron and side of the 1966 Bottling House as weeds and trees take it over in early spring!

Last week walking around I studied the area where the old DSP-PA-#1 stood and figuered exactly where the old Tunnel was where we took break when I was in the yard gang and the next 3 pictures explain it.

5. Looking over the remains of the still foundation you are looking at the old door that came down stairs to the Tunnel.
6.Looking over only at the door to the tunnel.
7. When I was standing figuiring how this was layed out it all came to me when I saw the white paint on the wall of the grain process building this was the tunnel area and just as I stood thereI saw something that was there all the time and I even found the distillery sign near here. What I saw was some old Lockers.
8. Lockers standing right there where a roof and ajoining building had once been and these are some of the lockers and where I had my Locker back then! We sat on Old 1930's benches to eat those days and I listened to many old stories of the Old days then.

I have some Phila Plant Pictures I am going to post on 1966 bottle house thread today. I was thrill when I put this all together to give you idea of how the Still building was down the high bank it sat on.
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Jono
05-08-2011, 19:13
Mike, very nice photo of the large tank graffiti, actually, rather artistic graffiti at that! My gosh, how large are those tanks? Any idea on width and height? Surprised they were not salvaged for scrap.

Dave, regarding -
5. Looking over the remains of the still foundation you are looking at the old door that came down stairs to the Tunnel.

Where did the tunnel run - between which buildings and what was its use?

ethangsmith
05-15-2011, 15:29
I was able to spend today with Dave at Continental and got the full tour. Talk about HUGE! I'm used to little Michter's in Schaefferstown and to see the scale of this distillery is absolutely amazing. So as to not use up more space for this thread, I will link you to my blog where I have a few photos of the day. A huge thanks to Dave for taking my wife and I through and going into detail about how everything worked!

http://theethansmithblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/other-abandoned-pennsylvania-distillery.html

dave ziegler
05-16-2011, 11:20
I was able to spend today with Dave at Continental and got the full tour. Talk about HUGE! I'm used to little Michter's in Schaefferstown and to see the scale of this distillery is absolutely amazing. So as to not use up more space for this thread, I will link you to my blog where I have a few photos of the day. A huge thanks to Dave for taking my wife and I through and going into detail about how everything worked!

http://theethansmithblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/other-abandoned-pennsylvania-distillery.html
Ethen it was my Pleasure taking you and your wife through the Plant and I was worn out after the next group of 5 people after you.
Dave Z

ethangsmith
05-16-2011, 15:12
I'll bet! That was an awful lot of ground to cover. I still have the Continental Corn Whiskey barrel head drying in the basement. So far so good!

ethangsmith
05-23-2011, 17:29
Anyone seen or heard from Dave? He was supposed to email me last week but never did. I'm worried something may have happened to him since we were out in the heat so much when I was down there with him.

kickert
05-23-2011, 17:36
Anyone seen or heard from Dave? He was supposed to email me last week but never did. I'm worried something may have happened to him since we were out in the heat so much when I was down there with him.

I was just thinking we hadn't heard from Dave in a while... Hope everything is okay.

dave ziegler
05-29-2011, 17:43
First I am back ,Ethan and everyone, been feeling poorly and working in this heat I get very tired. When I was giving tours Sat and Sunday 3 weeks ago Mike found me a very Old Whiskey Thief in the ruins of The Old Kinsey Bottle House and I took to show Ludy. It was not the type he used but He confirmed it was a very Old Whiskey thief so Tomorrow I will take a picture of it to post. PS Jono the tunnel was a section made into a room and was between the Buildings I am standing in the dirt where it was taking the Picture of the door!

We had alot of fun doing the tours and I hope to do more sometime.
Pictures are
1.&.3 a old Bag feed bag maker that fell down from the second floor of the Old Kinsey bottle House The 2 days Mike was with me He took a picture and showed his Dad who had worked there and He said that it was a bag Weaver!
2. The Anatonic and Cathionic Tanks missing all the Pipes to them which have been stolen by the Guy who pretended He was going to buy the Place!
I have some great Broshures I want to scan one is the 1970 Company Report which was given me by My friend who was high up in the Company.
So I will be posting again soon. Thanks to all who were wondering if I was Ok. I love writting here and hope to do it many years yet, to keep the Memory of Publicker Alive!
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dave ziegler
06-10-2011, 09:50
Well every time I go to Kinsey I am always looking for something to save for History and the first Picture here will be something new saved for History a very Old Whiskey Thief found under the fallen down back side second floor of the Old Kinsey Bottle House by Mike for me, which was used by Continental to bottle Liquors. Also some pictures never before taken in the second floor of the Grain Drying building for me by Ethan at the end of Our tour when we found an old ladder that was sitting there but to weak and dangerous for me to use but He was able to get up it with out it breaking while I held it.

1. & 2. Pictures of the Old Whiskey Thief
3. Ethan climbed an old Ladder left by Kids to get me some never seen pictures of what is left of the second floor of the Old Kinsey Grain drying Building. It was here Old Charlie Sipler took his shower after work and just below kept his 100 Horse power ford flat head buggy.
4. Second Floor Grain drying building
5. Electric meter on Second floor of grain drying building.
6. Our Old Soda Machine in the Old Lunch room at O building. Ethan and I stood it up after vandels had fliped it over. Many a ginger ale came from this machine to mix with Whiskey! Good days they were!
7. Inside one of the uprights coming down in the Grain process building.
8. Electric controls second floor of Grain dying building.
9. Rickety Ladder to 3rd floor of Grain drying Building to bad for Etham to go up.


I still have some more pictures to post on this thread in a day or two and please look on my other two threads as I have posted stuff on them also.
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Parkersback
06-10-2011, 15:12
Dave, your passionate work in documenting these things is really wonderful and valuable. Cheers, and thank you.

G.H.Adams
06-10-2011, 21:34
Dave,

Thanks for what you are doing. It's a shame that our whiskey heritage is being lost on a daily basis. In a perfect world all this would be saved for future generations.

dave ziegler
06-15-2011, 09:46
Greg again thanks for your Kind words! Today I want to talk about filling Barrels at Kinsey working in the warehouse. Every Morning each warehouse lead man would get his papers for that days job. But first a Picture of Old letterhead from my collection pertaining to, when
Yesterday I talked about our early use of Floaters here again is a piece of Letter Head where Continental was wanting to try reusing Barrels with ( slabs Floaters ).
1. Letter Head from Nov 1962 shows we thought about extra charred wood 38 years before Makers mark tried a form of this. We Invented the Idea!
Now Continuing my topic

On some days a gang would be given the Job of Filling Barrels from tankage where it had been stored after being trucked or railcared in a tanker up to Linfield to be put in barrels and aged in Our 14 High tect explosion Proof Warehouses. I have posted and have an original filling nossel from Warehouse O the government building and Bonded warehouse. The hose setup came off a large Pipe straight from a storage tank and looked like a giant Gas pump handle even having a lock hold on it. From the stainless tank the whiskey to be barreled, flowed into a heavy stainless pipe,then a rubber Hose and metal nossel We would have brand new barrels rolled up there. You would like filling a gas tank, fill till it got to a certain point on its side at the bung hole where you filled it to the right amount of 48 gal needed and then someone would drive a brand new bung in and it would be stood up stenciled with a seris / Group serial Numbers / date of filling and date of distillation place of Distillation DSP-Pa 1 , type of whiskey ( Bourbon ect ). Also the serial numbers when I worked there were put on sideways smaller so you could read it no matter where the head was turned in the rack with your Flastlight. And lastly 48 gal stenciled on the head. The smell of filling whiskey Barrels was very Nice I just love the smell of Whiskey even new whiskey and of course nothing smelled better then the Blue air coming from the aging whiskey in the warehouses. It was like walking into a giant Whiskey Vaporizer!

I can't remember how many we did a day but time flew by! Barrels would be racked by another gang and moved to what rack and floor the paper work stated. Another gang would be on an upper floor if the Barrels where going up on the Barrel elevator.

It was a big job and a fun job barreling Whiskey which if you worked there many years you would some day pull from the racks to be processed and Bottled and Know you helped to make this special Product! A very rewarding Job for sure and a Job I loved very Much!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-27-2011, 06:27
When I was at Kinsey last night I got a few more letter heads with company bussiness on them. I want to try and get my scanner working and post them,I also found some letters from customers about some bad Governors club whiskey. When I walked up to the open gates which normaly are closed it brought back so many memories, I just had to stand there and in my mind put things back to those great years there!

I looked to my right and imagined the old Maintance barn like it used to be and one of the Old 1941 Ford trucks was sticking out of Dickie Phiefers repair bay,and ahead of me was the Old #12 and I was a young man of 20 years old walking to clock in the year was 1967.

Then I walked slowly down the road into the plant which is now mowed and I looked to my left expecting to see 3 box cars and many trucks at the bottling house docks.

Then I walked into the old 1966 Bottling House and my friends were closing roll doors, and the rolling down of the doors made a whisper like the sound of a bottling line starting up.

But sadly I went back to reality and the bottle house looks like a bomb hit it and the stainless pump heads and many motors and three 200 gal stainless tanks have been stolen last Christmas Holiday by that creep who told everyone in Linfield his dad was rich and helping him to buy the plant. All a game so he could rob and destroy the Plant. I hope some day he gets caught stealing somewhere and I see his picture before a trip to Jail.

I later walked into J Warehouse to see that piles of cased brand new bottles never to see whiskey had fell over into a broken mess with Mold and dampness.

In my Mind Kinsey will always be the beautiful place it was and. As I left my mind went back and I could Hear the Old 1941 Ford Flat Head trucks roaring down through the Plant and I left just remembering those days and People. One thing that hit me going in was the smell of the cut grass not pretty like the old days but still the smell,and also how big and beautiful the Pine tree I mulched back then 44 years ago and The Plant and The Company and its wonderful people will live in my heart forever!
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dave ziegler
07-04-2011, 18:12
Well here are some company bussiness leters I found today
1. Letter head about a tanker of whiskey going to our Lemont IL bottle house. Note S S. Neuman on top of Letterhead
2. April 10, 1979 Our Daily dumping papers. Each Lead man some listed on this one have there jobs for the days dumping. Boy was I thrilled to find these as tell the amounts to be dumped each day on each one.
3. Feb 27,1979 dumping papers Some of the lead mens names Al Rhoads, Bob McGinley, Joe Machukas. Jack Raysor and Many more
4. April 6, 1979 more whiskey dumping papers boy are these historic!
5. More company paper work
6. Point of Sale paper holding papers for Scotch, Straight and Gin found these today in O building. They Say Publicker Distillers on the side of them.
7. Paper billing for whiskey sold to Paramont Distillers Cleveland Ohio 6-1-1977.
8. Inver House Scotch and Neutral spirits to be shipped to Linfield from Bigler Street.7-30-1976.

Boy am I glad I was able to get these and some more to save for Company History. Every time I can save something for History of Publicker/Continental and Kinsey I am thrilled.
I hope everyone who looks at these threads enjoys my work on all 3 threads today.
Dave Z
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G.H.Adams
07-04-2011, 20:07
Dave

Thanks for all your doing. I have learned a great deal from your posts and look forward to learning more.

dave ziegler
07-08-2011, 11:54
Greg I am going back to Warehouse H this weekend for one last picture shoot.

I wish everyone could have seen what it was Like when we filled and piled those 340 Gal barrels. First you filled them with what looked like a giant gaseoline handle on their side, then rolled them on the lift so we could flip them up right. Then teams rolled them into place.
After the floor area was filled came the real hard part we would be putting sheet after sheet of heavy Plywood on top of the barrels.

Next fill the next ones on their side, get them on the lift and lift them up on one of the Old Electric Cable controled lifts which were not made to lift 340 gal barrels and get them just above level of the Plywood and a team of about 6 to 7 Guys would have to lift the barrel off one edge and roll it on the Head band to its spot. Sometimes we used and Long wooden handled dolly to pull as others pushed.
It was dam hard work and I wish you could have seen those 340 gal barrels they looked Like giant pot belly stoves! They only went 2 levels high.

And Boy did they Leak sitting on their Head, the floor always had some whiskey laying under them. They were a night mare!

But the memories are great of those days and we hoped that this would work out for the good. The 120 gal barrels were not to bad but they got stacked also but in 3 levels with plywood.

Talking about it makes it seem like yesterday even though it was almost 40 years ago.
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G.H.Adams
07-08-2011, 20:28
Dave

I cannot imagine dealing with those barrels on a daily basis. It either made for some strong boys or a lot of bad backs or hernias.

Again thanks for what you do. I look forward to reading your posts from the old days.