PDA

View Full Version : My Memories of Kinsey Distilling



Pages : 1 2 3 [4] 5

dave ziegler
07-11-2011, 07:38
Here are the last of my Pictures.
1. Exposion Proof Light in Elevater
2. Date written on Rack 10/16/52
3. Another shot of the Space to get to the barrels inbetween the racks.
4. First Level section C sections 5&6 I got my Wooden barrel Shock here.
5.Writing on the wall my old friend Shorty Keller who was a Leed men
6. More wall writing on a wall my Old Friend Walt Harrington. It was walt that ran the Kinsey Benifit Club selling chance tickets which had some winners and the rest went into a fund for People out sick.
I hope to go back to Warehouse H one last time soon. It was a sad but good thing as I was able to post pictures from my two trips in.
Dave Z -- It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
07-11-2011, 16:43
Dave,

Just picked up a full mini of Dixie Belle Gin. If you want it, it's yours.

dave ziegler
07-12-2011, 12:04
I would love to have it for my collection. I was going to call you to see it you want to get down here this weekend and take another walk so I can show you where the Steer Pens were and the Old House by the river if we can get to it. I wish I could take everyone on here for a walk around Kinsey.

On a day like today if you walk in any of the Old Warehouses the temp drops down about 20 degrees. It was Hot on Sat when I went into Warehouse H but it was nice and cool in there.

I can still remember going up to Workmens Supply an old work clothes store with a paper from the company to get shoes at a reduced rate. The company provided us with Heavy duty green coveralls and WWII Sub Zero Coats. We had heavy duty leather gloves given us so we really were well equiped. Those were some great days for fine Whiskeys and I wish they were still pulling barrels from Warehouse H. Some of the Last of the Kinsey Made Whiskey when I worked there was in H, close to 20,000 Barrels getting ready to be used!

When I worked on a dumping gang I tried not to be the one who had the job of making sure every barrel was timed to come up on the trough with its bung pointing down in the place it stopped. It was a real skill timing them and most of the Old Guys did it perfect every time.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
07-12-2011, 15:35
Dave,

We have Saturday free at this point and it looks like the weather could be decent. Sunday looks to be quite hot and humid. If that works, let me know a time and a place and I'll be there! I'll bring some other whiskies along if you want me to too.

dave ziegler
07-15-2011, 10:58
Well Last night I got a really great surprise as Sandie who worked at Kinsey for 25+ years sent me on disc pictures in the Plant before it shut down forever. She also explained each shot as much as she could after all these years! Another exciting thing for me there is a Picture of The Fire Chief Cal Roberts taking a 340 gal whiskey barrel apart.
1. Sandie breaking Barrels from the racks winter 1980.
2. Barrels in the Racks
3. Fire Chief Cal Roberts Knocking the Hoops off a 340 gal whiskey barrel.
4. Sandie and My Old Boss Jack Razor, note they are wearing the Old Green coveralls they gave us to work in.
5. Barrels coming down the Elevator in one of the explosion proof Warehouses.

I have quite a few more picture including the bottling house in operation back in those days! Many Thanks to Sandie for spending the money and getting these old photo's put on a disc and sending me them for History.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon

tmckenzie
07-16-2011, 03:00
Thanks for doing such a great job on this Dave. Any of those 340's down there left? I would love to have one for a yeast fermenter.

Jono
07-16-2011, 14:43
Those photos bring a sense of life to the place. Very nice collection of snaps.

ethangsmith
07-16-2011, 16:43
Just got back from Kinsey. A small group of us met up with Dave again and went through more of the distillery. It's amazing to see how large the operation really was. You can't fully gain an appreciation of the story Dave is telling until you've seen it in real life. It's incredible!

ethangsmith
07-16-2011, 18:58
As a side note Dave, I bought a bottle of Haller's Reserve Blended Whiskey and a bottle of Inver House at the State Store this evening. I had 1 shot from each and they weren't to my liking. If you want them, you can have them for free the next time we meet!

Jono
07-16-2011, 20:15
As a side note Dave, I bought a bottle of Haller's Reserve Blended Whiskey and a bottle of Inver House at the State Store this evening. I had 1 shot from each and they weren't to my liking. If you want them, you can have them for free the next time we meet!

I am curious how those old bottles would have turned up in a PA State Store?

Do they have old stock in warehouses that they try to move once in a while?
Were there more than one bottle of each?

http://www.abc.state.va.us/Pricelist/BLENDED_WHISKEY.html
024078 Haller's Reserve 1.75L 86 $14.95

008344 Inver House 375ml 80 $6.90
008346 Inver House 750ml 80 $9.90
008347 Inver House 1L 80 $10.95
008348 Inver House 1.75L 80 $20.95

I see them listed on this ABC store list....when were they last made?
Evidently they never went away or are being made by others ...were the labels purchased?

http://www.inverhouse.com/
http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-whisky.php

It may be that the current product bears no resemblance to the old (Haller's Country Fair was the full name...right?)

ethangsmith
07-16-2011, 20:19
Inver House is now distributed by Barton Imports and Haller's Reserve is now made and distributed by Heaven Hill. It is no longer Continental product. It's the same scenario as Rittenhouse and Philadelphia Blended Whisky- HH has the name and produces it.

dave ziegler
07-19-2011, 10:32
I am curious how those old bottles would have turned up in a PA State Store?

Do they have old stock in warehouses that they try to move once in a while?
Were there more than one bottle of each?

http://www.abc.state.va.us/Pricelist/BLENDED_WHISKEY.html
024078 Haller's Reserve 1.75L 86 $14.95

008344 Inver House 375ml 80 $6.90
008346 Inver House 750ml 80 $9.90
008347 Inver House 1L 80 $10.95
008348 Inver House 1.75L 80 $20.95

I see them listed on this ABC store list....when were they last made?
Evidently they never went away or are being made by others ...were the labels purchased?

http://www.inverhouse.com/
http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-whisky.php

It may be that the current product bears no resemblance to the old (Haller's Country Fair was the full name...right?)
Jono the Hallers Blended is made by I think Heaven Hills and it tasts nothing like our Original. The new stuff most times only has 25 percent straight whiskey ours was always at least 35 percent!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-21-2011, 13:34
Well here are some more one of a kind shots in the big Bottle House and old one that Sandie sent me. I posted some earlier on the 1966 Bottle House thread so check them out to.
1. Hand Labeling in The Old Kinsey Bottle House known as Happy House or HH.
2. Ludy in the bottle house where he was a machine mechanic.
3. The Old Chevy Van Sandie drove around when her and some of the guys went to work in the warehouses.
4. Antifreeze bottling line using converted Whiskey bottling machines
5. Connie working on a whiskey line with another girl Connie on the left
6. The Strike
7. Whiskey bottling machines converted and bottling Antifreeze
8. Main Line to Apply Special State Liquor Stamps
9. Fire Chief Calvin Roberts left and Frank Kurtas working the Antifreeze line
it was Frank all those years before when I started there and he worked in Plant maintaince that fixed my car for me for nothing!
10. My Old Friends Walt Harrinton left our Union stewart and the man that kept the Kinsey Benifit club going for injured workers and Bud Bergey Sandies Father! In the lunch room in the 1966 bottling house.

These pictures take me back so quickly to the days of yesteryear and the people I worked with then as a Kid 19 just out of School. As you can see the Bottle House was always fairly clean and very well kept. It is sad to walk in her now and see nothing but ruin and damage from Vandels and Common thiefs who do not think they are doing anything wrong but I was always taught A Thief Is A thief.

I wish everyone on this site could have seen the worlds biggest and largest Bottling house in action. Seen the hundreds of people 600 all working in harmony for a common goal the making and bottling of Great Spirits!
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest people drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

G.H.Adams
07-21-2011, 22:18
Dave

Your pictures and commentary are the next best thing to being there. I really enjoy your posts about Kinsey.

As for the thieves a pox on them.:hot:

dave ziegler
08-25-2011, 20:02
I will soon have some more pictures as Butch has sent me some more Publicker plant pictures. All day I have been thinking about all those years ago working for Publicker and how proud I was to work for them.

1967 was the year and I bought my first good car ever a 1963 chevy 2 door Belair stick on the colume thanks to working for Publicker. It was summer and I was taking the first paid vacation I ever had I taken, taking my Little sister and my Mom down to Atlantic city and I will never forget going over the Walt Whitman and seeing the Publicker Plant and thinking wow I work for them and saying to my Mom we are taking this first ever trip because I work for The Continental division of Publicker Industries. There was the famous neon sign going up the stack of the AA building saying, It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon. And Andrew Jackson in Neon! I said to my Mom I am so Proud to work for them!.

I will never forget those days and I am thankful for the great Job I had back then as a young man.

In my office I have my pay stub from Dec 1969 and I well remember one of the engineers coming in my office and saying wow you made way more then I did right out of Drexel that year, that was the kind of place it was working for Continental and I have never forgotten or been more thankful to have had that chance as a young man back then!
Dave Z
================================================== ==
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
09-15-2011, 12:38
While looking around Kinsey I discovered a Blue Print from July 1 1963 titled Continental Distilling Corp.
half Pint Concave Flask Bottle. Part Number SH-79710
I will be taking a picture of it to post soon and then I will frame it to save for History. It was laying with stuff that it looked like Vandels were going to destroy and ran out of time.
I am now going to post some more Pictures inside the 1966 Bottle house showing all the terrible things Vandels have done since my first pictures inside there.
Here are some pictures
1. An Old Electric typewriter in the General office.
2. On side of the Old Safety Sign next to the Lunch room.
3. Old Candy Machine in the Bottling house Lunch room. Mike told me years after the place closed his dad walked in there and found coins in all the machines, that is how quick it closed and the Guy who owns the place abandoned it.
4. Rotten candy bars in the machine
5. Old Hot drinks machine
6. Wall fell down knocking the Cold drinks machine over.
7. An Old Computer in the Main offcie may have been the one that drove the Old Computer driven A-!-F bottling line which could do 40,000 bottles a day!
8. Nurses station in bottling house cabinet.
9. Old Cotton packs nurses station.
10. Table with old medicines
11. Markers on B wall start of Bottling lines stating what came through them. Whi for whiskey, scotch, and the proof coming through that line. I discovered these Lines on the platform with Mike somehow I never saw them before.
12. Another marker for type and proof.
13. Tank marker Rub Alcohol
14. a ruined 1939/40 Explosion proof Telephone like the on I have but sadly ruined on the back incoming spirits wall.

I found a blue print for a 1/2 pint flask which I will take a picture of and post soon, also I posted some more pictures on the fire tower thread today! ============================================

When the place closed nothing was taken just locked and abandon, wish I could have gone there sooner as someone else got all the office papers with the brand listes but I am glad to be able to save what I have from Kinsey it is a work of Love!

I have some more pictures yet to post next week.
====================================
Dave Z
------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
09-17-2011, 17:41
Met up with Dave today and got a complete barrel from Continental. A huge thanks to Dave and the guys at the landscaping business in town!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XE1CrdvpIYY/TnUukbOobMI/AAAAAAAAAQw/AVBoHWsW1a8/s400/IMG_2078.JPG


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ttt1WNyEi9s/TnUukUmU9_I/AAAAAAAAAQ4/tw0qop2UR6Q/s400/IMG_2079.JPG

Here is the barrel before any work is done to it. I hope to fully refurbish the barrel so it is fully preserved for the future!

Jono
09-24-2011, 20:33
I am curious about the "Whisky" and "From Rye Mash"...is that correct?
Could this have been a barrel for scotch refill? Or was Whisky the spelling used for the Continental barrels...rye, bourbon etc?

ethangsmith
09-24-2011, 21:51
My guess was this was destined to be a flavoring whiskey for Canadian whisky and not Scotch since there is no rye mash whisky in Scotches.

Jono
09-24-2011, 22:56
Right, that makes sense. I was thinking that maybe the barrels were being sent to Scotland after having rye in them and the head reflected different stampings.

ethangsmith
09-24-2011, 23:09
We'll have to wait and see if Dave can solve the mystery for us!

Josh
09-29-2011, 12:52
Met up with Dave today and got a complete barrel from Continental. A huge thanks to Dave and the guys at the landscaping business in town!

Here is the barrel before any work is done to it. I hope to fully refurbish the barrel so it is fully preserved for the future!

That's a great-looking barrel. I am jealous!

ethangsmith
09-29-2011, 16:37
Thanks! I'm going to take good care of it. I started cleaning some of the greenish moss off of it. Since the weather is getting cooler quick, I may have to wait until spring to sand and repaint the rings and lacquer the barrel. It still needs to dry out a bit too. It hasn't stopped raining for more than a few days at a time so it's still quite wet where it was laying on its side.

dave ziegler
10-11-2011, 11:07
Ethan it was my pleasure to get you that Barrel and today it brings back memories of one of the Jobs I did in the time I worked in the warehouses.
I have posted on one of my threads a picture I think somewhere of my filling hose and handle, which was like a very large gas pump handle and I would stick it in the bung hole and pull on it the way you fill a gas tank. It was a tireing job when you did 100 barrels. Alot of this was done at O building in the back closed in area always with Government Men there to keep watch. And that is where I got my handle and hose from.

Unlike a gas pump you had to keep close watch filling the barrel as no auto cut off to prevent spilling. Once it was filled a bung was pounded in and gang members would roll it away to be racked.

Once it got to the warehouse it was to go it would be marked on a chart which section and rack it was to be put in with its serial number. And before it was racked after filling it had its distilling and fill dates and a serial number stenciled on the head.

Once racked the records would be kept for future proof checking and moving around and the date it would be aged to what was needed. If It was Old Hickory it would be aging for 6 and 10 years.

And I will always remember looking at the old 1950's Kinsey and Phila distilled and barreled whiskey in warehouse D out front by the river which would one day be the Aniversary Old Hickory 20 year old Bourbon Whiskey.
Boy would I have loved drinking some of that. I have an empty bottle and box given me by my friend who was the top guy in Marketing but never had the chance to drink some.
Dave Z
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

ethangsmith
10-11-2011, 15:54
Dave,

Do you perchance remember where they got the barrel stamps? I'm going to try and re-create the Michter's, Pennco, and Continental barrel stamps but it's going to be challenging getting the right stenciling and curvature of the lettering. If I can find a barrel stamp maker, I'm golden!

dave ziegler
10-27-2011, 12:44
Walking through the Plant is painful but not going and posting for history would be unforgiveable to me. Here are some more early Oct pictures in the Plant.
Pictures are from second floor and roof of Warehouse K.

1. Closeup of switches
2. Stenciling year 1951
3. Up on the roof looking back at warehouse Q the Fir observation room.
4. Barrels in second floor of K rotting in water leaking from the roof to the Point there is no lettering.
5. Picture of all of the switch headers.
I plan on a walk there this weekend rain or shine in is sad but I have to document every surviving thing I can.
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Manificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
11-04-2011, 13:46
No story is complete without writing about my time working in the Warehouses. I spent half of the time I worked at Kinsey in the yard gang and half in the Warehouses. The very first job I did was rolling full wiskey barrels out of the racks to be dumped. I always loved the thick Blue alcohol vapors in the warehouses when they were closed a long time. The ceilings were 22 feet high on each floor and the vapors came down about 3 feet from the ceiling. The old wood and brick warehouses were interresting and the spaces between the racks were not for those that were big! I hated climbing the wood ladders in Warehouse D & E but that was how you got to the gangway between the sets of racks.

I will always remember seeing some barrels of Whiskey from the 1950's in warehouse E some distilled at Kinsey DSP-Pa-12 and some in phila at DSP-PA-1. I did everything from filling barrels to stacking the giant 360 gal ones to racking the regular 48 gal ones. Roll barrels to load out of warehouses and stood on the lift taking barrels up and the elevator in the old buildings running barrels down.

The real hard job was timing all the barrels to fall right on the dump trough I always declined that job if possible as mess one up and all of them would be off time.
Well this weekend I am returning to Kinsey to Give Ethan a deluxe tour in buildings I always love going there.
Dave Z
================================================== ==
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
11-06-2011, 17:47
It was another great day at Continental. Dave was able to obtain access to all of the buildings for us so we were able to aid him in his hunt for artifacts. What we found today was quite amazing. Not only did we find a very nice barrel stave with a bung hole in it to refinish as a decoration, but we found lots of great paperwork, more electrical switches for Dave, some barrel parts for me, and several other small items. It's great being able to actually go somewhere and save true pieces of history. We also met up with 2 other guys that were there taking pictures. It's great to see people interested in the place in a good way and not there to vandalize it. In the back of one of the warehouses, I found something I didn't think I would ever find- a solid link between Continental and Michter's! It was a complete out-of-the-blue discovery- some paperwork that belonged to Theodore Veru, then an employee of Continental. Mr. Veru in 1980, bought Michter's Distillery from Michter's founder Lou Forman. There was rumor that many of the Continental guys were involved with Michter's too, but this just solidifies those claim in ink.

tmckenzie
11-09-2011, 04:12
well, what does the paper say? I am interested.

ethangsmith
11-09-2011, 04:27
The papers all had to do with advertising and importation of spirits. Nothing with Michter's, but it's proof that Veru was in fact an employee of Continental before buying Michter's.

dave ziegler
11-09-2011, 05:15
Tomorrow Thursday I am going to take a Picture of My Office Desk which now has 11 sets of Pilot lights, and one lighting explosion proof Candle and switches that light up from Kinsey Distillery and 26 sets in my office total! Sunday I got a never used Explosion proof Switch from Warehouse 38 from the very late 1940's early 1950's and mated it to two 1940 old time Pilot lights from Warehouse 38. The Company Electrician Paul wired it to turn one light on manual and the other light turning to the auto setting. I am glad I did as most stuff now has been stolen by the NO Good Vandels that raid the place from time to time. My goal is History preserved their goal is being bums that do not work and live by stealing from werever they can how ever they can. Had a Blast with Ethan -- Hey Ethan lets go one more time before Thanksgiving? Let me Know, and yes as I have said many times the Best Whiskeys for the most Part that Michter's had were made at DSP-Pa-1 Phila.
Dave Z
================================================== ==
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
11-09-2011, 16:07
My calendar is getting really busy as Christmas approaches. I'll have to see if there is another weekend that will work.

dave ziegler
11-10-2011, 11:08
As I have said and posted before I have saved lots of Vintage Expolsion proof Switches and Pilot lights. Well here are a couple of shots of lights in my office saved from Kinsey by me and wired by the Company Electrcian Paul.

Pictures are
1. My Desk with 12 units including an Explosion proof late 1930's portable candle made into a desk light.
2. Side cabinet with large switch box from Government Building that turned on the pumps to send whiskey and Distilled water to the 1966 Bottling House. And five other sets.
3. Back corner of my office with another Explosion proof Candle into a lamp and a set of pilot lights.
Back shelves with 6 sets of Pilot light/Explosion proof switches and some of the working tube radio's from my years of collecting them they all work and I use them every day in my office. I have 18 radio's in my office.
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
11-10-2011, 16:01
Yay! The coveted and rarely seen photos of Dave's work space! I'll bet the room looks awesome with the ceiling lights turned out and all the switches and lamps lit!

dave ziegler
11-14-2011, 13:30
Finally here are some Plant pictures, gotten with Rod and Ethan be sure and look at the Pictures I posted on my two other threads this morning.
1. George Kuterbach on rail in kinsey brick & wood waerhouse F
2. Looking up through to top of racks Warehouse F
3. & 4. barrels in warehouse F that never got dumped and whiskey evaporated and barrels fell apart.
5. Shorty Keller on rail warehouse F
6. Old 1892 Kinsey Warehouse B with racks and everything else fallen down.
7. My Old Friend Warren Eashbach "Eagle Beak" He loved being called Eagle Beak and always said the Nose Knows! Warehouse M
8. Sprinkler Main in warehouse F
9. Two abandon Fork Lifts in warehouse M
10. Ethan and I saw these strange barrels in warehouse P Sunday a week ago they are thinner wood and have 3 big steel rings. Anyone Know what they were?
Well I have a few more pictures to post soon but for now I have posted on all 3 threads and will leave it at that for a bit.
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
11-14-2011, 15:42
I can see my lantern shining off in the distance in the barrel loader photo. It's amazing how big those warehouses are. That lantern is a Star trainman lantern and it looks like a tiny little light dot in the photo. Shows you how wide they are inside! As an extra note on the odd barrels. You can see they are also not tapered in any way, but instead are completely cylindrical. The rings are very large and look like they would fit on rails or some sort of track system. These barrels were all in close proximity to a dump trough and were pretty well rotted. They may have even been made of pine, judging by how rotted and soft the wood was. All the other buildings with dump troughs either have nothing nearby or a bunch of old re-used barrels that were filled with rye mash or bourbon mash "whisky" at one time. We also found several scotch barrel heads here and there, most of which were bright yellow and said "Inver House" on them and had a bung drilled into them.

dave ziegler
11-18-2011, 13:29
On a typical day working in the Explosion Proof warehouses we would go to the first wasehouse on our list with our Lead man. You would look at the pilot lights on the dock to make sure there was power.
Next go in the stairway to the floor you were going and throw the big floor switch. The door would then be able to open as they had a type of electric door Lock. I will take a picture on one next trip.

Then you went to the big electric Header which I have posted pictures of Look to see its pilot light was lit and turn on the sections you wanted to be powered up. Then each rack section had its own lights on explosion proof switchs like the ones I have on the pillers, the Old Crouse / Hines type 1930's/1940's. The cealing would have heavy Blue vapors from the top down about 3 feet. The cealings were 22 feet high.

Throwing the big switches turned on the explosion proof conections for your lift and then it was time to either pull barrels or rack them. Also some of the warehouses with dump troughs on the first floor had pumps that would pump the whiskey through a canister Cloth Bag filter then a tank in there and then to the bottling house tankage headed for the Bottle house.

Warehouse C was like that with its dump trough right in front of the tank and there was a cloth canister Filter bag then a 2,000 plus holding tank. Then Pipes right to the 1966 bottling house. last time I was in there I saw the lousy vandels had broken the filter canister right off its mounting. Amazingly there was some Old 25 year old dirty whiskey laying in the bag!

We would travel to two to three warehouses somedays pulling and loading for a warehouse with a trough or pulling and dumping at a warehouse you were pulling from if it had a trough.

There were 3 or four gangs that did this job. The day went by fast and in the summer it was nice and cool in the warehouses.
Dave Z
------===============--------------------===============--
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon

Luna56
11-21-2011, 00:29
Great reading as always, Dave, thanks.

Cheers!

dave ziegler
11-29-2011, 20:03
Luna 56 thanks for the Kind words! It is my hope to tell all I can about Kinsey and Publicker. I was off from work this week and went and found a brand new Red Glass explosion proof glass and a brand new 1940's housing to screw it into I also found a mint explosion proof switch, so I am going to make a red desk lamp for my office when it is done I will post a picture. It was raining today and as I walked around the plant it seemed so weird that everything is in ruin and abandon like it is. I stopped and stood and just looked around and it was sureal for me.

When I left there Fall of 1971 everything was in perfect condition, and to see it like this even after all these years and times I have been there seems very weird.

I wish I could save everything for History but I can't, still I try to save everything that has to do with the place when I can.

I stopped at warehouse N today and stood on the dock and just closed my eyes and thought of the old 1941 Ford flat trucks racing back and forth hauling full whiskey barrels to be dumped. It is so sad to stand there and relise that the place just became to old and no one wanted it after Mr Neuman died, and Publicker closed . If only someone other then the man from NY bought it, it may well be still being used but he is of the type that buys things to write them off. And let them go to ruin!

Till the day I die I will try to write what it was like to be part of the Kinsey / Publicker / Continental Distilling story. Picture a beautiful Park and that is how Kinsey looked back then.

Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent bourbon

tmckenzie
11-30-2011, 15:17
Good work Dave. I am willing to bet those odd shape barrels are not barrels at all. But sections of wooden pipe.

dave ziegler
12-02-2011, 10:36
Thanks Tom never thought about that. Here are a couple of my new creations of Kinsey/Continental Distilling Explosion Proof Historic parts made into lights for History. Here are some pictures of completed lights and my New Red Light Explosion Proof Light being wired by my Friend Paul the Company Electrician.
1. & 2. Being wired now I will take a picture of My completed desk setup next week. The Red Cover was still in a box covered with Hay for shipping.
3. This explosion proof Light to eliminate a Liquid Site gauge on the Old tanks in DSP-Pa-12 Lives on in my office. When the Poeple who said they were fixing Kinsey were there before they tore the DSP-pa-12 down they robbed the metal switches out to scrap and never got to scrap this one it and the other really Old 1930's parts were in a big scrap barrel and I brought them home to save them for History I also as taught when I was young and worked in a museum labeled where they were from and dated when I saved them.
4. !930's Appleton Pilot Light with Matching switch from the Old Still with the Pump 2 Plate from the 1966 Bottling House.

Saving every part I can of what it takes to Operate today and Back in the day a Distillery is all part of My saving of History for Publicker/Continental/Kinsey.

These may just be parts to operate but with out them you do not distill.
Dave Z
================================================== ===
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
12-02-2011, 17:14
That should give off a nice red glow.

spiderblues
12-02-2011, 17:55
Hey Dave! Those switches & plate look familiar :)
Glad you got them home & wired up. I'm sure they look great when lit up. Can't wait to go back soon.
What's up Ethan?

Here's some pictures from our trips:

11/6/11 (First Top Bunch)
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1000007

11/13/11
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1020180

11/19/11
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1020596

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/14558698-lg.jpg

ethangsmith
12-02-2011, 19:00
Hey man what's up? I think this spring we'll have to make a serious expedition down once it gets warm. Make a day of it and see what other cool items we can find! Come on spring!

spiderblues
12-06-2011, 19:12
Hey man what's up? I think this spring we'll have to make a serious expedition down once it gets warm. Make a day of it and see what other cool items we can find! Come on spring!

Sounds good to me! Though we may make a few trips between now & then :)

dave ziegler
12-16-2011, 10:32
Well I have finally gotten my last two old switch sets wired by my Electrician friend at work Joe so here is my Red explosion proof lamp from warehouse #38 only warehouse ever numbered and my late 1930's amber lens water proof switch set from warehouse K dock.
First pictures are my newly made Explosion proof Red lens lamp.
Then one of the little dock switch and light and a couple of shots of my desk. I also have a clear lamp cover and after the first pictures I changed the bumb to a small clear one which looks better then the big frosted one.
Number 5 picture shows the lamp with the small clear bulb.

On my desk you can see my Explosion proof candle lamp which was built this past spring and my lighted v shaped Site glass light from the old DSP-Pa-12 still plus a pilot light and switch from the 1930's from the still and Pump one and pump two plates saved from the 1966 bottling house!
Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

spiderblues
12-16-2011, 14:05
The lights look great as usual Dave!

dave ziegler
02-02-2012, 10:41
Well we are in a mild winter right now and my thoughts go back to working at Kinsey during the winter months. Right now with no snow and faily mild weather we would all be cleaning alot in the yard gang. I would put in to sweep the Old Buildings such as the DSP-Pa- 12 still and the grain drying building. I loved weeping and exploring the old still. The Old Honeywell quality chart machine had new disc's in it dated to Late Mar 1951 the date it was stopped being used. As a young man I wanted to learn as much as I could about Kinsey Distillery. One winter we swept all the fire excapes out in the 14 explosion proof warehouses what a dirty mess with lots of dead birds laying in there.

The one fall we went into the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle house which Continental used to make all their Liquors till the day in fall 1979 they closed the door on making spirits forever!

They had gotten a Large order from Jacquins and wanted the place spotless before the ladies came over from the big Bottle house. The Kinsey bottle house was loved by the Ladies they dubbed it Happy House because they could sneek a drink easier there. I loved the Old Philip Singer Bottling machines in there on 3 Liqour bottling lines.

It is hard for me to see it ready to fall down completly in the near future and in general seeing the whole place going down the drain.
When I walk there I see in my mind all the people I knew there and the Old Trucks roaring down through.
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

mike22487
02-19-2012, 13:06
It looks like ill be making another trip up to PA in early March, maybe the 6th to the 13th, I'm not sure on the dates though. I would like to explore Kinseys 2 times while I'm there (if I have the time) if you are up for it Dave. Ill let you know the dates when it gets closer.

dave ziegler
02-28-2012, 18:19
Hello Ethan and Rod looking forward to a trip there very soon before the weeds get to bad to go anywhere. Been thinking about the old days and working there. This time of year if no snow in the yard gang it would be a whole lot of sweeping and I would be vollinteering to do the Old DSP-Pa-12 still.

I can never forget the first day ringing out at the time clock in the still and seeing them feed the giant crape and sucker fish they had put in the old cyprus fermenter there. The one guy said to me when your turn comes you have to buy only Wonder Bread for the Fish!

At end of the day we would ride down on the back of the blue 1951 ford pickup the yard gang used. Later when I was in the warehouses we would ride on the back of the old 1953 Dodge flat bed truck!

The place was big about 200 acres then so you did not want to miss the truck. Mike Zuno drove the old Dodge truck. The winter Jackets they got us were really warm an Army green Corderoy sub zero jacket. When the winter winds came up from the river you needed them.

Also the warehouses were cold so you wore them the whole time you worked and they got riped doing the work we did I had a new one every year. Wish I had one of them now! We also were given green coveralls to wear as the barrels were very dirty and you kept your clothes clean that way. They were great days for a 19 year old and I am proud I worked there.
Dave Z
==================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
02-29-2012, 16:25
I can't wait for our next trip! I'll have to start stocking up on batteries now!

spiderblues
03-02-2012, 14:09
Looking forward to it too! I have a new 4 Sevens flashlight I want to use in there. 280 Lumens:)
Shoot us a PM when you think you may go!

mike22487
03-04-2012, 15:08
Dave, My trip is official, I have the plane ticket in hand, I have a new headlight and I will be giving you a call on Wednesday after I land. You are such an asset to the history of this place.

ethangsmith
03-11-2012, 16:55
Rod, Dave:

Ill send you both a message......

dave ziegler
03-11-2012, 17:04
Ethan and Spiderblues are you around on Sunday Mar 18th if the weather is good? If so lets go for it, I will get keys if I know for sure. I was walking around there today with Mike and then later with my old school friend Don. The weeds have not started yet and I was even able to walk inside the Old Kinsey silo today. I felt a million memories there and sadness at how bad everything is there now. I found an Old glass sight gauge with a glass ellbo today in the ruins of the old Kinsey Bottle House out front. I brought it home and will post a picture soon.

Mr Neuman would turn over in his grave if he saw what has happen to his beautiful distillery on the river in Linfield.

It is hard for me to believe what has happen to Her, she was a shinning star back in the day.
Dave Z
================================================== ===
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
03-11-2012, 18:46
Saturday or Sunday works, but it would work better for me on Saturday as I could be down a lot earlier and stay later.

dave ziegler
03-15-2012, 10:25
Today I want to do a little here on the good days of Kinsey and time lines of the Plant. Jacob G Kinsey opened the plant in 1893 and ran it up till Ptohibition. When prohibition was gong on Mr Kinsey went to Germany to learn the brewing of Beer. When Prohibition ended in 1933 Mr Kinsey reopened the Kinsey Distillery at age 75 when most people would want to retire.

Sadly in fall of 1939 he went bankrupt and the plant was sold to Continental Distilling at silent Auction in spring of 1940.
Mr Neuman started the building of the 14 explosion Proof warehouses in 1946 and they were finished in fall 1947 around Sept the month I was born in 1947. My Father Clarence Ziegler after WWII worked there in the early 1950's for around 2 or 3 years in the warehouses.
The 2 foot ball field long 3/4 football field wide Multi use explosion proof warehouse U was built in 1951 and was used for its long docks for storage and shipping till around 1963 when the process of making it into the Worlds Largest Bottling house started and through 1964,and 1965 when the Inver House Plant was being opened after its building. In Sept of 1966 the worlds Largest most modern State of the art Continental Distilling Bottling House opened its doors to 500 plus people for jobs. It had 11 lines its own lab,warehousing of Product a dock big enough for three rail cars and 10 trucks to be served and Line A-1-F could do 40,000 bottles a day it was run by a early Computer.

The total people working at Kinsey peaked to 600 in the late 1960's. The Old Kinsey Bottling house known as Happy House and built in early 1933 was used continuosly till 1979 for bottling all of our large Line of Liquors. When Publicker Quit the warehousing and making and bottling of spirits.
The Company Distilled Whiskey and sold it till around 1982. Kinsey and the Bottling house were used for the bottling of Home Chemicals and AntiFreeze till sept 1986. The Plant closed one night and never reopened.

The Terrible man who owns the Plant and abandoned it bought it in 1982 and leased the bottling house some tanks and a couple of Warehouses to Publicker but he kept finding ways to up the lease and Publicker having old equipment in phila and bad managmeent after Mr Neuman's death in 1976 stopped operating in 1986. Ten years after Mr Neumans death Kinsey died it operated for 94 yrs,Mr Kinsey Lived to be 94 and Continetal Distilling died after 94 yrs.

Talking to someone who worked there at the end I found out they came to work their next work day to Find the guards telling them the place was sealed. Lunchs sat in refridges anything left was left to rot there. Fork lifts, and the man who owned the place destroyed it by turning all the power off abandoning it with no one watch it and protect the wiring. The type of Explosion proof switches used in the buildings would have been fine to this day if someone had watched the place and kept it open so the Power plant would not be out of the Grandfather clause. Once he shut it down Kinsey was doomed to the way it is Now. One person above anyone else caused this the man who took advantage of them in bad times buying it for 3 Million dollars and then walking away like a slum landlord in 1986.
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
03-15-2012, 10:48
Dave, did your father feel the same way about working there as you do?

What made him leave employment there, if you don't mind me asking?

ethangsmith
03-17-2012, 18:13
It was another great day with perfect weather for the Continental outing. I'm sure there will be pictures from Dave to follow. We found quite a few new interesting items and had some time to really cover a good amount of the property. New vandalism was pretty prevalent, but there was still much that was untouched and really fun to go through!

spiderblues
03-17-2012, 22:00
Great seeing you guys again & Dave too! Saw a lot & I'm excited to try to start my lamp project. I disassembled & cleaned everything up. It came out nice. I am going to use the complete, new unit with the porcelain shade. I can rig it to work. The shade is in great shape & looks vibrant all cleaned up. The 1930's switch is nice but the switch itself was blown. Good thing Dave told me to take another as a spare. Didn't know I'd need it right away!
Hope to do it again soon!
Rod


It was another great day with perfect weather for the Continental outing. I'm sure there will be pictures from Dave to follow. We found quite a few new interesting items and had some time to really cover a good amount of the property. New vandalism was pretty prevalent, but there was still much that was untouched and really fun to go through!

dave ziegler
03-18-2012, 14:28
Well now hee are some more shots including a shot of Me ad Ethan rolling Barrels to the elevator in one of the warehouses.
1. Well here is Ethan and I working the Barrel lift in one of the old Explosion proof warhouses.
2. Me Ethan and Rd with Ethans new toy a Bourbon Barrel head dated 1962. For a 72 gal whiskey Barrel even then we had some big Barrels!
3. Barrel on the lift
4.Lookng over the high bank to the river at the old Kinsey water intake plant I finally was able to work around warehouse D&E to get this shot
5. A zoom shot over the bank of the water plant. It was there the guys got the fish they put in he old fermentes.
6.Writting on Old Kinsey B Warehouse, B and A were the very first warehouses at insey built in around the mid to late 1890's.
7. Looking in what is left of Old warehouse B.
8.This is where Dickie Pfiefer worked keeping all the Old Kinsey trucks and cars running. Stone and dirt floor just a home made bay with a radiator hanging from the home made ceiling for heat.
9.Looking at where the still and tunnel were at the door way that used to bring you down to the tunnel.
10.A shot from Sunday a week From the fire tower looking at the fire escape for warehouse S.
11. Writing on beam in warehouse D
Well I have a couple more for some time Later so enjoy and please look at the pictures on to other two threads also.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

spiderblues
03-18-2012, 15:56
Great stuff Dave. Had a great time. Hope to do it again soon!


Well now hee are some more shots including a shot of Me ad Ethan rolling Barrels to the elevator in one of the warehouses.
1. Well here is Ethan and I working the Barrel lift in one of the old Explosion proof warhouses.
2. Me Ethan and Rd with Ethans new toy a Bourbon Barrel head dated 1962. For a 72 gal whiskey Barrel even then we had some big Barrels!
3. Barrel on the lift
4.Lookng over the high bank to the river at the old Kinsey water intake plant I finally was able to work around warehouse D&E to get this shot
5. A zoom shot over the bank of the water plant. It was there the guys got the fish they put in he old fermentes.
6.Writting on Old Kinsey B Warehouse, B and A were the very first warehouses at insey built in around the mid to late 1890's.
7. Looking in what is left of Old warehouse B.
8.This is where Dickie Pfiefer worked keeping all the Old Kinsey trucks and cars running. Stone and dirt floor just a home made bay with a radiator hanging from the home made ceiling for heat.
9.Looking at where the still and tunnel were at the door way that used to bring you down to the tunnel.
10.A shot from Sunday a week From the fire tower looking at the fire escape for warehouse S.
11. Writing on beam in warehouse D
Well I have a couple more for some time Later so enjoy and please look at the pictures on to other two threads also.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
03-18-2012, 18:12
I need to shave. I just realized this looking at the photo. Maybe I should consider being less lazy on the weekends. Maybe.


It was a great time and I plan on getting some sort of hanging equipment on the back of that barrel head soon. It'll look great next to my Pennco and Michter's heads!

dave ziegler
03-19-2012, 03:45
Here are a few more pictures from Satudays trip.
1.,2.,3. Barrels that were in the racks in Old Kinsey warehouse G once full they sat there and went dry falling apart in the racks. It may have been to dangerous to get them out in the end days of operation.
4. Ladder I used to climb in Warehouse D out front to roll barrels to the end of the racks.
5. George Kuterbach written on beam in warehouse G.
When we were there we climbed down in the sub floor of G and walked around a little to take these pictures it was hard getting down there and harder getting out!
Lots of Memories of these old Brick and wooden warehouses built by Jacob G Kinsey. Some of the finest whiskeys lived in these old warehouses.
Dave Z
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

mike22487
03-23-2012, 07:47
looks like you guys had some fun going through there. Hopefully Ill be back up there in the fall time as the leaves start changing colors (if its a good year), I want to go through that farmhouse and barn and get some more pictures of them before they totally collapse. I'm starting to find time to go through the pictures I have taken in Kinseys and I hope to start posting them soon. Dave Thanks again for taking me back there and I hope to do it again soon, and find some more odd lost stuff.

dave ziegler
03-27-2012, 09:59
Hey Mike we will go there again in the fall. Here are 4 Pictures of My Office Desk with Kinsey explosion proof Lights and switches of varied types some being weather proof ones also. I now have a large Blue / green explosion proof lamp I am building for my office side table of Lights.
When It is done I will have 32 lighted sets in my office. Rod and I also have started projects of restoring one green over head explosion proof ceiling light with Green enamel shades from warehouse's L and K to make a floor lamp each
The last picture is taken at a distance so you can see the old Publicker Art pictures on the wall from the Publicker World wide Headquarters on 1429 Walnut Street in Phila back in the day.
I will be posting pictures of the ceiling unit unassembled and assembled waiting to be built. Rod has someone to create our lamps sometime in the future.
I have mine completely apart except I have to get someone to drill out the hard red wax the wires run through to the lamp top. I think I May be borrowing a drill tomorow.

I am glad Rod gave me the idea of making a lamp and he has his completely apart now a day ahead of me!
Here are the 4 Pictures of my History desk It is very hard seeing Kinsey the way it is, the end is very near but I will continue to post about the days there and keep saving History from there. Working there at 19 yrs old was a thrill for me and it was a wonderful place to work!
--------------------------------------------
The Best Old Fashions Are You'll Find
The Mellow,Made With Kinsey Kind!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
03-27-2012, 11:03
Here is another Good Picture from My office I forgot to post on page 816 the page before this one. This shows a closeup of Explosion Proof switches and 4 Weather proof switchs from the Old Buildings in the plant, on my desk. Please check out the Pictures on the page 816 before this one that I posted a hour ago.
-------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey for
Unhurried Moments
dave Z

ethangsmith
03-27-2012, 15:57
Dave,
I noticed on your office walls there are a few photos of the interior of some of the concrete warehouses full of barrels. Is there any way you can post close-up photos of those on here? I've seen them empty and it really has me curious as to what they looked like with racks and barrels in them!

dave ziegler
03-28-2012, 13:42
Ethan here is the Picture you saw on my wall Plus another one with barrels waiting to be rolled.
Both Pictures 1.& 2. are from the Snyder Ave Barrel House in the Snyder Ave Publicker plant Phila in the year 1947 the same year I was born. That warehouse's setup is exactly the way the 14 Explosion proof Warehouses looked with barrels in the racks and the exact same type of rack built by the same company that built them at Kinsey. Also the warehouse was built by the same builder and brick by Kelly for Brick.

The Snyder Ave Barrel House was a very big one built with the same type of stairwells and a fire escape stairwell.

Just got home and adding 3 pictures of my completely unasembled Overhead Explosion proof ceiling light from Warehouse K at Kinsey I finally got the plug drilled out of the ficture part where the wires went Picture 5 second part to the left of the green shade. The wires were showing metal and when it is turned into a lamp it no longer needs to have the plug top keep vapors out. My Next step will be working with Rod to create a standing explosion proof lamp which will be able to go to a Museum when I am gone.
I will post a picture of it reasembled later while I wait to get someone to help with the building of a lamp stand and heavy base.

Thought everyone would enjoy seeing this work of Love for the place resteration!

================================================== =====
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
03-28-2012, 18:52
Thanks Dave! Awesome pictures. Is that a puddle of whiskey on the floor in the first photo? Or did the roofs tend to leak even back then? It also surprises me how well lit the interiors were. I can only imagine the smell of all that aging whiskey.....

dave ziegler
03-29-2012, 10:34
Yes Ethan that is a typical whiskey Puddle back in the day. On colder or very hot days sometimes when you go in the warehouses you will see some whiskey seeping up out of the cement and still smell it.
Here are 2 pictures one at the Publicker plant in the year 1941 and Harry Publickers Home
1.Bigler street Plant Looking east.
2.Harry Publickers Home


I got these from my friend Butch who worked at the Publicker Plant for ten years back in the day!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

spiderblues
03-29-2012, 16:34
The lamp looks great Dave. Good work cleaning it! Still trying to figure out the base.



Ethan here is the Picture you saw on my wall Plus another one with barrels waiting to be rolled.
Both Pictures 1.& 2. are from the Snyder Ave Barrel House in the Snyder Ave Publicker plant Phila in the year 1947 the same year I was born. That warehouse's setup is exactly the way the 14 Explosion proof Warehouses looked with barrels in the racks and the exact same type of rack built by the same company that built them at Kinsey. Also the warehouse was built by the same builder and brick by Kelly for Brick.

The Snyder Ave Barrel House was a very big one built with the same type of stairwells and a fire escape stairwell.

Just got home and adding 3 pictures of my completely unasembled Overhead Explosion proof ceiling light from Warehouse K at Kinsey I finally got the plug drilled out of the ficture part where the wires went Picture 5 second part to the left of the green shade. The wires were showing metal and when it is turned into a lamp it no longer needs to have the plug top keep vapors out. My Next step will be working with Rod to create a standing explosion proof lamp which will be able to go to a Museum when I am gone.
I will post a picture of it reasembled later while I wait to get someone to help with the building of a lamp stand and heavy base.

Thought everyone would enjoy seeing this work of Love for the place resteration!

================================================== =====
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
03-31-2012, 07:25
When Rod and I were at Kinsey I saved an old sign from inside warehouse L. I had a steel hanging cable put on it and they cleaned it for me. Here is A Picture of it Friday night when I brought it home and a shot of my new Kinsey displace on my Bathroom wall.
1. Woooden sign restored from warehouse L
2. On wall above an old fiberboard sign from J warehouse and a picture of Old Dsp-pa-12 and a shot of the Grain drying building with all its metal works coming from the old large Kinsey grain silo,and last picture is an old Kinsey Whiskey ad for the month of Sept for what you should drink each day. Sept is the Month I was born!
Just a note I forgot it was my Old Friend Charlie Seipler who made repaired painted and replaced these signs. Charlie drove around the plant in his old Model A ford frame buggy with a 100 hp ford flathead to power it as I have written. I had to come back and ad this edit in Charlies Memory!
--------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Moments
Dave Z

tmckenzie
04-01-2012, 10:36
I would have a fit to see a puddle that big in our warehouse. Dave, looks like they used a lot of used barrels. Did they?

dave ziegler
04-01-2012, 19:28
Tom when you have 333,333. barrels on each of 3 floors of 14 warehouse's you get that! There were that many barrels per warehouse when I worked there. Also the coopers every month would look for leakers and fix them. For worm wood holes we had little wooden pegs we would pound into a wood worm hole and then knock the end off leaving the barrel's sealed agian.

The picture is from one warehouse in Phila and it was a very big warehouse.
Dave Z
================================================== =========
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
04-02-2012, 11:03
Now as Promised here are some Pictures from the second floor of the Old Grain drying building and some of the back fallen down section of the Old Kinsey Bottlehouse Cistren room.
pictures are
1.2. 3. Second Floor of the Old Grain drying building Old Meters on the wall part of the Old grain drying Kinsey
4. Grain silo Building grains traveled to this building first and then to the process building.
5. A strange Door on the wall in the little room of the Grain drying building over the Oil boiler room.
6. More of what is left of grain drying equipment.
7. Shot of the Grain process building from window on second floor of grain drying building.
8.Small room over The boiler room.
9.Things hanging on the wall
10. looking up to the third floor of the Old Grain drying building built by Jacob G Kinsey at the turn of the century.
11. Looking up at the Old back second floor of the Kinsey bottle house.
12. Upper section second floor Kinsey bottle house
13. My new Blue glass Explosion proof switch on my side table of switches in my office. The paper hanging on the wall behind the switch to the right is The top 61 songs on WIP 610 in the year of 1961, April 24 , I found it in a drawer of old stuff I had from when I was a kid of 14 years old.
14. Here is a shot of the table with all its switches and an old Explosion proof Siren. Picture on the wall behind the switches is of Inver House Distillery 1966 given to me by my Friend who ran the marketing dept for Publicker and it once hung in the Company's world Wide Headquarters at 1429 Walnut st Phila.
The Large Switch box on the right back area once powered all the Whiskey and Distilled water from O warehouse the government Building to the Big Bottle House. Its the one with the Rub Alcohol plate in front of it from the Tank plateform in the big bottle house.

Many Thanks to Rod for climbing and taking these shots as I am to old to get up in places like that but it sure brings back memories of going up there and sweeping back in the day.
Dave Z
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Moments
=============================================

spiderblues
04-02-2012, 17:04
Glad to help out Dave. Love to get to the top floors of the other buildings. Who knows what's up there! The switches look great too. That's one tough file cabinet. There's a lot of weight on that sucker!


Now as Promised here are some Pictures from the second floor of the Old Grain drying building and some of the back fallen down section of the Old Kinsey Bottlehouse Cistren room.
pictures are
1.2. 3. Second Floor of the Old Grain drying building Old Meters on the wall part of the Old grain drying Kinsey
4. Grain silo Building grains traveled to this building first and then to the process building.
5. A strange Door on the wall in the little room of the Grain drying building over the Oil boiler room.
6. More of what is left of grain drying equipment.
7. Shot of the Grain process building from window on second floor of grain drying building.
8.Small room over The boiler room.
9.Things hanging on the wall
10. looking up to the third floor of the Old Grain drying building built by Jacob G Kinsey at the turn of the century.
11. Looking up at the Old back second floor of the Kinsey bottle house.
12. Upper section second floor Kinsey bottle house
13. My new Blue glass Explosion proof switch on my side table of switches in my office. The paper hanging on the wall behind the switch to the right is The top 61 songs on WIP 610 in the year of 1961, April 24 , I found it in a drawer of old stuff I had from when I was a kid of 14 years old.
14. Here is a shot of the table with all its switches and an old Explosion proof Siren. Picture on the wall behind the switches is of Inver House Distillery 1966 given to me by my Friend who ran the marketing dept for Publicker and it once hung in the Company's world Wide Headquarters at 1429 Walnut st Phila.
The Large Switch box on the right back area once powered all the Whiskey and Distilled water from O warehouse the government Building to the Big Bottle House. Its the one with the Rub Alcohol plate in front of it from the Tank plateform in the big bottle house.

Many Thanks to Rod for climbing and taking these shots as I am to old to get up in places like that but it sure brings back memories of going up there and sweeping back in the day.
Dave Z
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Moments
=============================================

dave ziegler
04-03-2012, 04:43
Here are 6 Pictures of My future Lamp in the works, and the late 1930's Switch that will turn it on.
1.thru 5. Different shots of my restored Explosion proof over head ceiling lamp. The big Bell part is from Warehouse L the shade is from Warehouse L and the works inside and big Globe are from the Old Kinsey Bottling House. I could not get the bell part from there to shine so I glued the spare name badge plate on the one from Warehouse L as it for some reason never had one on it just the holes for the rivits.

The next thing will be to get Pipes and Rod and I have to figuer a base for it. The Last Picture
6. This is the 1930's Explosion proof switch that will turn the light on and off. My Lamp is an exact copy of Rods.

Then once we can get a base that a 3/4 steel pipe will screw into we have to find someone to wire them. The Switch will mount between two pieces of Pipe. Near the top. The Green shade will be inverted Up instead of down due to the fact it would be top heavy and you would have to have a giant base other wise. This way the weight will be going straight down screwed on the pipe.
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

Jono
04-03-2012, 08:35
Great finds and restoration effort Dave. That blue glass lamp in quite a prize.

spiderblues
04-03-2012, 18:17
Nice shots of your lamps parts. They cleaned up nicely.
I was messing around today & some extra parts & decided to take a wire wheel to one of the housings we got at the old bottling house. It was covered in white calcium like the one you couldn't get cleaned up. Check these pictures out. This is the first one I pulled from the roof rubble of the old bottling house.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472233-lg.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472234-lg.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472235-lg.jpg

This came out quite nice. I still may use my original one with the more natured look, but this does look nice. I have another I may be able to do for you...and it even has the tag! It's one of the Appleton units. I'll try to mess around with it later this week. We'll just use the guts from your lamp.

spiderblues
04-03-2012, 18:23
And here is a mock up without the base & close up of the light unit.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472273-lg.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472274-lg.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15472275-lg.jpg

ethangsmith
04-03-2012, 19:14
Dude, awesome.

If only I had rescued the lamps from the warehouses at Michter's............

weller_tex
04-03-2012, 20:05
Here are 6 Pictures of My future Lamp in the works, and the late 1930's Switch that will turn it on.
1.thru 5. Different shots of my restored Explosion proof over head ceiling lamp. The big Bell part is from Warehouse L the shade is from Warehouse L and the works inside and big Globe are from the Old Kinsey Bottling House. I could not get the bell part from there to shine so I glued the spare name badge plate on the one from Warehouse L as it for some reason never had one on it just the holes for the rivits.

The next thing will be to get Pipes and Rod and I have to figuer a base for it. The Last Picture
6. This is the 1930's Explosion proof switch that will turn the light on and off. My Lamp is an exact copy of Rods.

Then once we can get a base that a 3/4 steel pipe will screw into we have to find someone to wire them. The Switch will mount between two pieces of Pipe. Near the top. The Green shade will be inverted Up instead of down due to the fact it would be top heavy and you would have to have a giant base other wise. This way the weight will be going straight down screwed on the pipe.
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

Mr. Ziegler, I am a history buff and a bourbon enthusiast. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your posts. Just amazing!

spiderblues
04-03-2012, 21:17
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to seeing the completed unit. I'll post more pics soon.

Isn't part of it still standing? No lights hanging anywhere?


Dude, awesome.

If only I had rescued the lamps from the warehouses at Michter's............

dave ziegler
04-04-2012, 08:07
Mr. Ziegler, I am a history buff and a bourbon enthusiast. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your posts. Just amazing!
Weller_tex thanks for the Kind words you have made my day. As a Kid my favorite thing was History in School. When I grew up I dreamed of being a History book writer.

The story of Kinsey is a long and interesting story and here is one of the Interesting things from back in the founding days of Publicker Ind who bought Kinsey Corp at silent auction in spring 1940.
True Story which I checked with my friend who ran Marketing for Publicker Ind, I was told 100% true.

Harry Publicker before founding Publicker Commercial Alcohol company in 1913 used to go to all the small distillers in Phila and get their used whiskey Barrels. he would then steam and sqeeze the barrel staves and get whiskey out of them.

Someone reported him the the government for selling untaxed Whiskey.
Harry went to court and said to the Judge, was not the said whiskey in the barrels at time of the taxing The Judge repliled yes. Therefore Your Honor if the said Whiskey was in the barrels at the time of taxing the taxes have already been paid Correct? The Judge said yes Case closed.


Harry Publicker was a very wise man and after that happen he opened Publicker Comercial Alcohol Company in 1913 with about 8 to sixteen empoyees. In 1933 when Prohibition ended Publicker got into the making of drinking Spritis and He Put Si neuman his son inlaw in charge of the company. Mr Neuman grew Publicker IN / Continental Distilling and Kinsey Distilling corp into a company that had 5,000 Empoyee's in its great years.

Harry Publickers Brother Philip Publicker Founded American Distilling corp from What I have learned as he wanted to distill Drinking Spirits in the early years Publicker began. Harry wanted to stick to Industrial Alcohol, so they split and went derferent ways many years later in the early 1970's Publicker would end up buying the popular brands of American Alcohol Corp. Ones such as Bourbon Supreme and many others. Those brands died when Contiental Distilling died.

Jacob G Kinsey lived to be 94 years Old Kinsey Distillery was 94 years old when it closed forever and Continental Distilling ended being a comercial Chemical company and distiller at 94 years!

Today the only remaining thing left of the Company is the abandon Kinsey Distillery and a few of the Old Buildings in Phila from the Continental / Publicker site. And the Inver House Distillery site
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey Whiskey was so famous in the 1940's after Publicker bought it that it once proudly was advertisted on the Building in Manhattan Ny where the New Years Ball drops. I have an old Post card showing an ad for Kinsey there.
================================================== ===
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

For Me Writting About the Company is the greatest Honor I could be able to do.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-04-2012, 11:01
Here is a sad time in the History of Publicker Industries. A picture of the distillery strike in Phila on Sept of 1962. Strikers trapped Office People and supervisors inside the plant for four Hours at quiting time. It took 100 Phila Patrolman to get people out. There were very few of these kinds of things in Our History and it was a sad time.

Thankfully it ended and people went back to work. I was told by my friend in marketing that Mr. Neuman was very grieved seeing the people not working and on strike, and stated these are My People, the people handling this contract under me have got to work with them so they can get back to work and make a good Living and take care of their family's. He did not want them to suffer. And I fully Believe this as Mr. Neuman always looked for the working man to handle different things. He always said who knows how to do it the best but the men who do it not people just out of school with books and Pictures! He was never afraid to walk up to you and ask you how you were doing!


Dave Z
==================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
04-04-2012, 17:10
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to seeing the completed unit. I'll post more pics soon.

Isn't part of it still standing? No lights hanging anywhere?

The warehouses are all demolished now and what is left is fully gutted by the new owners of the site that care nothing for its historical value.

dave ziegler
04-13-2012, 10:50
Today my Memories take me back to storys of the old days. There was a man by the name of Clair Von Alt who worked in the warehouses. His nick name was Sport! Sport could not read or write. He signed his check with an X and someone would cash it for him. Sport drank way too much and had a sweet tooth. It was known He would sneak candy out of peoples lunch bags.

One week he was missing all week and when he came back I asked him where he had been. He told me he spent the whole week on the toilet sick. Well I was told by someone in the know under the pledge of not saying anything that because He could not read he had gone in someones lunch bag and taken a large bar of chocolate X -lacks and that was why he was so sick, as he must have eaten the whole bar.

He never went in anyones lunch ever again!

My Friend John was another story,as he drank way to much himself and I would get him Neutrol spirits of whiskey early in the morning, then Whiskey later, and have him yell at me all day and beg me to help him out at days end which I did as He was my Friend. He always had gormet sandwichs packed by his wife for lunch and would not eat them and gave them to me suppling me with some great lunchs!

I will never forget John's first day he told me, I swore to Mr Harold Rienart plant manager no whiskey would touch my mouth but I had my fingers crossed.
That days end as Mr Reinart stood as he always did nodding to us going to ring out he saw John crawling he shook his head and went into the office. He was a very good man, and a kind man and later said he could not bring himself to fire him as he did his job well and had a family and a couple of Kids.



These are just a few of many stories I remember well from those days gone by.

Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
04-15-2012, 18:27
Went for a walk around Kinsey today with keys just looking around and remembering the old days.
Took a couple of pictures and just looked around and found some switches and lights for future projects.

As always the vandels are always at work sealing and destroying. Here are a couple of cool pictures taken in one of the warehouses.

1. An old lift waits to lift barrels it will never lift!
2. A Pile of old charred floaters, behind the 2 barrels forground.
3. A barrel filled with one side only charred unfinished charred Floaters.
4. Piles of Old Barrels staves
5. Old Empty barrels that never made the first floor when the plant closed. They sit on the barrel elevator 26 years later,never to go to be bundled to ship!

I am never amazed at how when Kinsey closed over night every thing just was left at the place it was anything from lunches in fridges to peoples jackets. It is always a sad thing for me seeing the abandonment but it is a joy talking about the old days and the people that worked at Kinsey.
================================================== ====
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-18-2012, 10:59
I went to Kinsey Monday and Tuesday after work to get some parts and to get and restore a 1930's Minneapolis-Honeywell HEAT regulator from one of the Old Explosion Proof warehouses. I got one for myself and one for My Friend Paul who built most of my Explosion Proof Light sets. And I got the housings to put them in.

The Housing is Crouse - Hinds and the Thermostat is a rare Early Honeywell Product with their Old Original Name " Minneapolis - Honeywell" the top being made of Bakilite and metal casting, 90 % of the units are trashed but I found two that are only missing the Dust covers which would most likely have been missing many years before the Plant closed. Unlike the two switches I talked about on one of my two other threads the Things were sealed so tight it took two days and breaking the heads off the bolts in the wall to get them. Then a large Pipe wrench the remove the fixture with Chico sealent in it.
1. This is the one I restored for my friend without its housing.
2.Here is a side view of my restored Explosion Proof Thermostat complete
3. Here is an above view of my Clean Polished, marked where it came from and restored Explosion proof Thermostat from Old Explosion Proof warehouse P the same building I got my Explosion Proof Phone from. The heating range was 74 to 46.

It was never warmer then the low 40's in the winter in them and in the 40's and 50's in the summer. Monday when it was 87 degrees outside it was awesome cool in warehouse I.

Once again I am glad I thought this out aand got an example to save for History and for My Electric Maintaince friend he was thrilled with his one I got and restored for him.
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

spiderblues
04-18-2012, 13:28
Pretty cool thermostat Dave. I knew you would fine one! Just a matter of time.


I went to Kinsey Monday and Tuesday after work to get some parts and to get and restore a 1930's Minneapolis-Honeywell HEAT regulator from one of the Old Explosion Proof warehouses. I got one for myself and one for My Friend Paul who built most of my Explosion Proof Light sets. And I got the housings to put them in.

The Housing is Crouse - Hinds and the Thermostat is a rare Early Honeywell Product with their Old Original Name " Minneapolis - Honeywell" the top being made of Bakilite and metal casting, 90 % of the units are trashed but I found two that are only missing the Dust covers which would most likely have been missing many years before the Plant closed. Unlike the two switches I talked about on one of my two other threads the Things were sealed so tight it took two days and breaking the heads off the bolts in the wall to get them. Then a large Pipe wrench the remove the fixture with Chico sealent in it.
1. This is the one I restored for my friend without its housing.
2.Here is a side view of my restored Explosion Proof Thermostat complete
3. Here is an above view of my Clean Polished, marked where it came from and restored Explosion proof Thermostat from Old Explosion Proof warehouse P the same building I got my Explosion Proof Phone from. The heating range was 74 to 46.

It was never warmer then the low 40's in the winter in them and in the 40's and 50's in the summer. Monday when it was 87 degrees outside it was awesome cool in warehouse I.

Once again I am glad I thought this out aand got an example to save for History and for My Electric Maintaince friend he was thrilled with his one I got and restored for him.
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

spiderblues
04-18-2012, 13:32
Here's an update to the lamp I am building. I went to a fabricator & had them make me a base. It was just easier. It came out great & is 18x18 with a nipple welded in the center. The base alone is 30 Lbs. More than enough to support these, even with the heavy globe on.

I am hoping to wire this tomorrow or Friday. I'll update then.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15561394-lg.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15561393-lg.jpg

dave ziegler
04-18-2012, 15:16
I will be getting mine together soon also, Kinsey lives on at Rods House and at Kinsey Dsp-Pa.-12 east my house! Getting my pipes tonight mine may take a bit till I get it wired but looking forward to adding it to go with my Whiskey Barrel table and awesome pilot lights.

Anyway to preserve the History of Kinsey distillery is great, because there was never a neater place to work.

Everybody check out my restored Explosion Proof Thermstat regulator from the plant back on page 84 post 840 I just posted it today.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
04-18-2012, 19:13
Dave,

Doesn't look like I will be able to make it down this weekend. I forgot I have a wedding to attend Saturday and it's supposed to rain heavily Sunday. Go figure. One of these days I will get down there again!

dave ziegler
04-18-2012, 20:27
Here is a old Billboard for Hallers County Fair BIB Bourbon Whiskey. I still have a couple of old 1940'/ 1950's 4/5 bottles of it, and I'll tell you what it is a great Bourbon. I still love the old Bourbons from back in the day. And Hallers after Old Hickory was a very Big seller for us.

I just perfer anything made in the 1940's/50's and 60's to anything made today!
============================================== It Seems All The nicest People
--------------------
Drink Old Hickory
------------------------------------------------------------------------
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-19-2012, 10:28
Well I am getting there, here is my Explosion Proof light setup with out the Shade and base which has been ordered. I am going to have a professional Electrician that does contracting here where I work wire it next week. Just went out and bought 18 feet of 16 gauge wire and a heavy duty Plug.

I will put a 100 watt Fluorecent Bulb in it so it does not get red hot which would not be safe.

1. My Light in my work office. The type of switch was my Idea for our Lamps it is a late 1930's Crouse - Hinds Explosion Proof switch and mine is from Warehouse K. The internal parts our from the Old Kinsey Bottle House and the shade and bell are from Warehouse K.

These are the rarest switch in the plant and had to do with the electric door locks on the warehouses. Most of them had one, right beside the big roll door at the front dock.

This and My Whiskey Barrel table are something awesome to me. This however is costly as the base was alot of money and the two pipes and wiring ran high but it will be one of two from Kinsey.

However Rod and I can say we have floor lamps from Kinsey!
=============================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
---------------------------------------------------------
Dave Z

ethangsmith
04-19-2012, 16:31
You'll be glad to know I finally started restoration of my barrel! I found an oil preservative that soaks into dried woods that does not change the color of the wood much and leaves no shine or shell on the wood. It's only $25 a gallon and will last years and years. Since it penetrates deep into the wood, it even re-expands the wood a little, which will tighten the barrel back up slightly. Once I've got the barrel fully coated, I am going to get a piece of glass or plexiglass and fit it into the head so it won't be exposed to the weather anymore. This barrel is going to be an excellent display piece! I'll post pictures once it's done!

dave ziegler
04-23-2012, 10:59
On Saturday I found another one of a Kind Historic Expolsion Proof Switch from the 1930's.
It had a Large Emergensy Light Holder on it so I am going to Put my Blue / Green Globe on It and I put my one only Large red one on the regular swith I had made up.
Here are 3 Pictures starting with My large Red light glowing on my desk and the a shot of the Old switch turned off and then a shot turned on. It will have its original Globe Holder as I found it on a pipe and will go where I had the other one with blue globe. My Electrican friend will wire it very soon. And I will take my small red globe home then and put it at the base of my coming soon Explosion proof lamp.

1. Large Red globe Lighted
2. 1920's/1930's Explosion Proof switch in turned off position
3. Switch with lever Pulled up switch on. This is the only switch of this type I know of at Kinsey and finding it where someone was going to take it for Scrap makes it sweeter yet!
4. Ethan you aked me what exactly did the warehouses look like when the racks were full of Whiskey.
This picture is from the companys very first Brosure before they went on the stock market and this is one of the warehouses in Linfield right after being filled in 1947/48. The Man is Bud Seward I know because I asked Ludy and he said right away who he was. That floor in the picture has 333,333 barrels. Each floor had that many.
================================================== ======
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
04-25-2012, 13:46
Walking around the Plant last week I thought about working in the Warehouse Gangs. On a tipical day we would have lists of barrels to be dumped or Racked or filling barrles, and when you got to the Warehouse you were going to the government Man with you would have to cut the Lead Seal on the Padlock so you could open the warehouse. Next turn on certain switches including the Flip lever one that shut off the Electric Door momitors.

Then the lead man would have sheets with the numbers of the Barrels you would be dealing with. And each man was given his job be it rolling barrels in the racks or Out of them, or just rolling them. Maybe dumping them or running the Lift taking them out or Putting them in the racks. Or if there was no Dump trough in the building rolling them to the dock for one of the 1941 Ford Trucks to take them to another Gang in a building with a trough to dump them.

I had many Happy days doing different jobs like this from working in the racks to filling the barrels with the large Pump end like a gaint Gas Pump which I have the One from Warehouse O in my Garage having saved it from the metal theifs years ago!

Also I remember stenciling with India Indelable permant Ink. Better have your Gloves on as you could not get it off!
-----------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-27-2012, 10:02
In 1962 publicker Industries bought Dougherty's Distilling corp, Phila at Silent Auction. When they went up in the upper storage area of the Office they found about a case of Doughert's Pre Pro Medical Pure Rye Whiskey BIB. Well I will be 65 on Sept 23 this year and my Friend who ran Marketing had a few of these and gave me a bottle 2 years ago! I Plan on pulling the old Metal strip off and having a couple of shots on my Birthday, Here are pictures of the bottle and the box
1. The Bottle and the Box.
2. The Bottle filled to the top, and nice and clean and ready to drink I think if my memory is right it was Distilled in 1907.
3. The Box which you can read easy and says 14 years old when it was bottled for, as It says on the box the best Pure Straight 100 Proof Rye Whiskey for Healthy Medical drinking!

I am sure I will feel sick on my Birthday and need some Medicine!

4. WA Haller's and Sons Distillery Phila pa

The Last Picture #4. is Of W A Hallers and Sons Distillery I think I posted this before but this is the only known Picture of the Plant which was not far from Publicker. This Picture hung at the 1429 Walnut Street World wide Headquarters of Publicker Industries and was given to me by My Friend in Marketing 2 years ago, I have it Hanging on the wall in my office at work on the left side of my desk.

As a 19 year old fresh out of High school the first Whiskey I ever Had was at Kinsey, it was Straight Rye and it remains my Favorite Spirit! That day it was from a barrel for Rittenhouse BIB Rye at one of the Old out front Kinsey wood and brick warehouses I think warehouse E.
================================================== ====
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z ================================================

unclebunk
04-27-2012, 13:02
Thanks for the photos, Dave. I always love seeing this stuff. Hope all is well with you and that you're enjoying a few cold Ballantines these days.

Jono
04-27-2012, 15:55
That is a great item Dave...hopefully it won't be too bad either!

Dust that bottle until it is gleaming!

"14 summers old"...interesting way of portraying the age statement.

I have to think the "Government Man" job was pretty cushy. Were they that busy every day? I know they had to perform some duties but I wonder if it was a pretty boring job. Did it turn over much? Was there any fraternization or did they keep to themselves?

dave ziegler
04-28-2012, 22:16
Jono every time any warehouse was opened every day there had to be a goverment man to cut the seal and be there! At Kinsey the ones there stayed there unless they were moved somewhere else by government order. And yes we were friends with them. Glen Smith the head one was a great man and he later ran a small eatery about 3 miles from the plant on rt 724!

We all got along very good and for the most part everyone got along with them. The big problem was the people at the washington level and some of the weird rules. They gave the company way more trouble then was fair!
================================================== ======
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Mgnificent bourbon
================================================== ========
Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-02-2012, 18:01
Just got two new pictures of the Philadelphia Plant and going to post them thanks to my friend Butch who worked there for 10 years.

1. This is a Picture of number one boiler house at Bigler street plant in Phila in 1951 before the Walt Whitman bridge was built
2. Looking at the Walt Whitman bridge from the top of the AA Building at phila plant. this is the building the famous Old Hickory Neon was on.

I can still remember the first time I went on Vacation going over the Walt and feeling so proud I worked for Publicker!
================================================== ==
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
05-03-2012, 18:33
Tonight I dug up another picture I have of the Phila plant at Bigler street and the Famous Old Hickory sign. This unlike my other picture is out of the frame so I could shoot it without glass glare.

1. The Bigler street plant with the AA Building and the tower the Old Hickory Neon was on.
2. I Posted this picture of my Lamp switch insides for Rod to see its wiring.
3. This is a picture from the front of my Original company Brosure. The warehouse is one of the ones at Kinsey after they were filled. I asked Ludy who the man was and he said Bud Seward.

The switshes used on Rods and my Lamp are explosion proof crouse / Hinds from the late 1930's.

Everyday I try to find something new for the history of the Company. My Friend Butch worked at Publicker in Phila for 10 years he loved working for Publicker also and offten says the training he got there opened the door to many good jobs later.

I am lucky that my first real job was great and my last job now is great. I started good and I am ending good!
================================================== ==
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most MagnificentBourbon
Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-05-2012, 15:15
Well I just got some cool parts put together to make a very cool Lamp. Had the old Pilot light and box and found a switch box and mounted a premade pipe for a light in between with a bell light holder. All I need now is a porcelon buld holder and a screw in light cage and find someone to wire this crazy home made from Kinsey parts light. Here are 3 pictures I just put it together and in turning the pipe wacked myself in the head with the Light bell got a heck of a lump on my head!
1. thru 3. Pictures of my new light set up hopefully I can find someone to wire it for Me. The Pipe is from the old Scale House the pilot light from warehouse K and the switch from warehouse #38.
Dave Z
---------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
05-06-2012, 16:50
Well I promised Rod I would post pictures of my completed Kinsey Distillery Explosion Proof Lamp so here it is got the Base from Rod today!
Pictures 1 thru 4 . my lamp as soon as I set it up. 5. With my bottles put back in place on its base. 6. Looking in the top of the lamp at the explosion proof bayanet screw in top.

Now I want to say with out Rods help I could have never got this done. He got me the top parts and found someone to make the base. Thanks to my Friend Herb for wiring it and I am just very thankful to have made and completed this awesome Lamp from Kinsey Distillery.
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest People drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

spiderblues
05-06-2012, 20:34
Hey Dave,

The lamp looks great! Glad I could help in getting it done for you. The backdrop with all the bottles is mind boggling. There's so much stuff there.

The small green shade didn't fit my lamp. My last hope is that it may fit one of the small ones we saw in the stairwells. This cage screws onto whatever housing it was meant for. The one I have the cage screws to the housing with 3 screws. Oh well. One more thing to look for!
Rod


Well I promised Rod I would post pictures of my completed Kinsey Distillery Explosion Proof Lamp so here it is got the Base from Rod today!
Pictures 1 thru 4 . my lamp as soon as I set it up. 5. With my bottles put back in place on its base. 6. Looking in the top of the lamp at the explosion proof bayanet screw in top.

Now I want to say with out Rods help I could have never got this done. He got me the top parts and found someone to make the base. Thanks to my Friend Herb for wiring it and I am just very thankful to have made and completed this awesome Lamp from Kinsey Distillery.
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest People drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
05-07-2012, 18:11
Well I got home and cleaned up the top of the close to 100 year old explosionn proof light from the old grain process building. So here is another shot of the shade and then the whole unit cleaned up.

1. The Shade
2. the whole restored unit, I took it apart and cleaned the procelen bulb holder and reasembled it. I just really love saving these old pieces of Explosion proof stuff and making art Lights out of them. I think on top of my head my lamp is number 42 of created things form Kinsey. These things like my bottles will be donated to distilling museums when I am gone per my will.

So Publicker / Continental Distilling and Kinsey Distilling will live on after I am gone. I have to say here thanks to everyone who wired these things for me, Paul, Herb, Jim and Joe from work. Without them I could have never done this and without Rods help the lamp and future Lamps will be made!
Dave Z
=================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

callmeox
05-07-2012, 18:58
Dave, I took a dusty bottle of Old Hickory 10yo to the gazebos in Bardstown and and it was quite a popular pour. Out of the entire 750, there's about a half of a drink left. Everyone had good things to say about it and Bourbon Joe about dove over the table to get a pour. :grin:

It was the trapezoidal bottle with the tall gold colored eagle on the cap. I think I saw an empty of the same bottle in your collection photos.

Good stuff for sure. I'm glad I could get my hands on a piece of history like that. Thanks for giving so much background on the distillery.

dave ziegler
05-08-2012, 10:06
Dave, I took a dusty bottle of Old Hickory 10yo to the gazebos in Bardstown and and it was quite a popular pour. Out of the entire 750, there's about a half of a drink left. Everyone had good things to say about it and Bourbon Joe about dove over the table to get a pour. :grin:

It was the trapezoidal bottle with the tall gold colored eagle on the cap. I think I saw an empty of the same bottle in your collection photos.

Good stuff for sure. I'm glad I could get my hands on a piece of history like that. Thanks for giving so much background on the distillery.
The 86 proof 10 year old, Old Hickory is my very Favorite and I hope someday to find another sealed bottle cheap somewhere. That was our biggest seller back in the day. Glad people got to try it, I have never had anyone tell me they did not think it was not a excelent flavorful Bourbon whiskey, it works with full taste in your mouth. Thanks for letting me know it makes me proud that Old Hickory is still well liked even in this day of extra filtered whiskeys, I still prefer the Old School ones!
Dave Z

mike22487
05-11-2012, 09:28
Well I got home and cleaned up the top of the close to 100 year old explosionn proof light from the old grain process building. So here is another shot of the shade and then the whole unit cleaned up.

1. The Shade
2. the whole restored unit, I took it apart and cleaned the procelen bulb holder and reasembled it. I just really love saving these old pieces of Explosion proof stuff and making art Lights out of them. I think on top of my head my lamp is number 42 of created things form Kinsey. These things like my bottles will be donated to distilling museums when I am gone per my will.

So Publicker / Continental Distilling and Kinsey Distilling will live on after I am gone. I have to say here thanks to everyone who wired these things for me, Paul, Herb, Jim and Joe from work. Without them I could have never done this and without Rods help the lamp and future Lamps will be made!
Dave Z
=================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

I guess I need to start getting my lamp together from the parts I have in my storage unit thanks to dave. I also need to start working on my barrel and on creating a thread with pictures I have taken there.

mike22487
05-11-2012, 09:31
You'll be glad to know I finally started restoration of my barrel! I found an oil preservative that soaks into dried woods that does not change the color of the wood much and leaves no shine or shell on the wood. It's only $25 a gallon and will last years and years. Since it penetrates deep into the wood, it even re-expands the wood a little, which will tighten the barrel back up slightly. Once I've got the barrel fully coated, I am going to get a piece of glass or plexiglass and fit it into the head so it won't be exposed to the weather anymore. This barrel is going to be an excellent display piece! I'll post pictures once it's done!

What is the name of the preservative stuff, I need to get some for my barrel.

dave ziegler
05-11-2012, 18:16
Mike I will ask Ethan what he used on his barrel for you. Lets go back to the future the year is 1968 and my 1963 chevy is having lots of problems. My first car when I started there was a 1955 chevy Hardtop stick on the colume 6. Once I started at Kinsey I built a 283 engine with power pack heads and a four barrel carb, and put that in it. Next a Hurst shifter and a Dixco Tach. Next car my 1963 Chevy Bel Air 3 speed on the colume 283.
And then the fastest Car I ever owned my buick Grand Sport.
I went home that weekend in the year 1968 and bought a one year Old 1967 Buick Gran Sport 400 cui with a Hurst shifter 4 speed, the motor had a 3/4 crane race cam and pushed 425 Horse power with air enduction. I made such good money at Kinsey I was able to buy it. I had two sets of Mags the factory ones for the winter on it in this picture and a set of deep dish chrome ones for the summer.

1.When I got my 1955 Chevy I did all kinds of things once I got my job at Kinsey. I put a 1958 chevy steering wheel on it I hot knifed a pair of buick tail lights for it and Had the seats redone. It was black when I bought it and I had it painted Honduras Marune. Sadly the motor ended up with a cracked block.
2. once I worked there 2 years I was able to get a loan and buy the fastest Car I ever had Here is a picture of My 1967 Buick Grand Sport. It had only 10,000 miles on it and I drove it 40,000 miles more.
3. Just found a picture of My Buick with the Summer deep dish Mags.

4.Also I just found a picture of my 1963 chevy the first newer Car I ever bought thanks to Kinsey! Once I got it I put a 4 barrel on it and mags in the front. It had a 3 speed overdrive trans. I took my first real vacation to Atlantic City with the 1963 Chevy and saw the Old Hickory Sign on the AA building for the first time going over the Walt Whitman Bridge. Ps the pictures are not great as all I had for a camera was an old Kodack Browny.


We made wonderful money for those days, I enjoyed my Job and I burned a lot of Rubber.

Just a Fun Note if I ever come into some money while I am still living it is my dream to buy an Old 1962 Chevy 409 4 speed with one 4 barrel to drive for pure fun. A nice red Hardtop would be the ticket. Till the 1970's I was a GM man but after that had alot of dude GMs and went to Fords for good.

Dave Z
================================================== ==
It Seems All The nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
05-12-2012, 07:18
1.Here is a very old Ad for Rittenhouse Rye from Continental Distilling 1930's!
2. Here is a Picture of the old House down by the river from back in the day when I mowed the lawn. Kids of one of the company men family's in a kids pool. Look how nice the house was then. It is one of the oldest houses in Limerick Township the old William Evans home!
3. The Only remaining explosion proof Telephone in complete ruin. I am so glad I got mine before this happend to it.


I keep searching and found this old ad. Rittenhouse Rye Back in the day was the Best Rye you could get in a BIB or 80 Proof. In the 1940's till around Early 1951 alot of it it was made in the Old #10 Kinsey Rye Barn. I am getting ready to go over for a walk to Kinsey very soon and will this time take my Camera again. I will soon be getting my goose neck Lamp made of Kinsey paprts back and will post pictures of it lit!
Dave Z
=================================================
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
05-14-2012, 10:35
Over the weekend I was able to find a much nicer cage to fit over the screw in glass housing that goes into the top of my just built Kinsey lamp.

Here is a Picture of the cage by itself and on the housing.
1. The wire cage
2. Mounted on the housing.


Earlier topday I got my other lamp with the bent pipe and Glass jar and metal Cage back wired by a local electrican who's wife workes where I do and He was Kind enough to wire it for me I will post pictures once I get it home and set up.

When we went into the Warehouses, you did not just walk in a Government man had to be there to remove the Government Lock and Lead seal. A lead man had to be there to know which of the switches needed to be turned on and the switch to release the electric locks on the first floor roll door and door in had to be turned off.

Once that was done we could either rack barrels or pull them from the racks and only certain Warehouses had dump trough's. If you were pulling to dump in a non trough warehouse the barrels had to be shipped by lots to a building with a trough by the Old 1941 Ford Flat bed Trucks.

We were busy from start to finish but time went well and we all enjoyed working there and a little Whiskey once in a while too!
Dave Z
================================================== ===
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

bgageus
05-14-2012, 12:44
Been working my way through this thread over the past few months on and off, and really enjoying the stories. Saw this on a shelf and brought it home with me.

bad_scientist
05-14-2012, 13:29
Been working my way through this thread over the past few months on and off, and really enjoying the stories. Saw this on a shelf and brought it home with me.

Kinsey blended whiskey? Hmm, there was a blended Old Hickory at the place you and I found the Cabin Stills - Dave, do you know how popular their blended stuff was?

dave ziegler
05-14-2012, 13:45
We Never made an Old Hickory blended, just straight Bourbon, no such thing, but Kinsey Silver is a very nice Blended Whiskey and It is the only Whiskey we made that was ever on the top of the Times Square building where they drop the ball at New years back in the 1940's.

Kinsey Blended Whiskeys were very popular in New York City and New York State. Where in the world did you find it what a great Find. It should say Linfield Pa on the label as it would have been bottled at the 1966 Bottling house. We proto typed that bottle I have blue prints for it. I have never Had Kinsey Gold but I like the Silver very much it is a very Smooth Blended Whiskey thanks for the posted picture great find, let me know where you found it, must have been in a back room for 30+ years somewhere. Let me know what you thingk of it. Wish I could find another Bottle of it got one about 5 years ago.
Dave Z

bgageus
05-14-2012, 14:03
Dave, I found this in a small store on Capitol Hill, Actually I hunted there months ago and remember looking at the bottle then (I didn't realize it was Kinsey, I though it was Schenley blend or something, my memory fails me sometimes), but because it was a blend, and I passed. I was bored one day and stopped back in to take a look at it again, It was up on a shelf above a lottery machine tucked in the back. I convinced the proprietor to let me clear the shelf space for him and I picked it up for $10. It does say Linfield, it has a bottle date of 77, the strip is completely broken and it could have been opened, likely not. I think it is something like 35% 8 year bourbon and 65% GNS.

bgageus
05-14-2012, 14:08
Ben, If there was Old Hickory there I missed it, but I started following this thread shortly after that, so That is a good possibility. We need to go back and double check that.

dave ziegler
05-14-2012, 18:22
That is a great find and that is what we did on blended, 35% straight and 65% neutrols. Nowadays it is more like 25% or less straights. Thats a great deal for it. I am very glad for you to get such a piece of History for that price. Here in Pa you can't find anything old. If you saw Old Hickory go back and get it. Does not matter if it is the 80 proof or the ten yr 86 they are both wonderful bourbon whiskey's. Have a shot of the Kinsey for me! Those strips tore very easy, I am thrilled that you can sample a taste of History from the old DSP-Pa. 12 bottle house in Linfield Pa. We never had a bad product, even the cheapest stuff was tasty.

We tried to make sure that the common man could always have a good whiskey! Mr Neuman always had the goal to make sure that everyone could get the Whiskey they wanted for a fair price. And if you are lucky enough to get some Old Hickory be Ready to taste a very wonderful old school Boubon Whiskey!
Dave Z
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
05-17-2012, 16:24
Well I have started work on one last light to make a lamp from. It is the turn of the Century small green Crouse / Hinds Explosion Proof shade light from the Old 1892 grain process building the only one that was there yet!

Gotten for me by Rod when we did a swap. I am not sure how much pipe I will put on the bottom or what I will use for a base I will get Rods help on Ideas but the wire is going to come out The Fange on the bottom half of the Crouse / Hinds explosion proof switch, that way I can get it wired before it is finished and It will fit in my car trunk! Then I can just screw whatever I want on the bottom. Here are some just putting it together pictures.
1. 4. Here are four shots of what I have so far. I discovered that the Glass lens I thought fit it does not it is to small and falls off so I may never have a sealed bulb but it sure will be neat when it is done. The goose neck Pipe is from Kinsey also.
Dave Z
============================================
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

bad_scientist
05-17-2012, 17:25
Hey Dave, so there was an Old Hickory blend, but it was sold by Schenley after Kinsey closed. bgageus went by the place we saw it and got the info on the bottle.

dave ziegler
05-18-2012, 03:45
Thanks that is a very interesting twist. In 1980 the Old Hickory Label and Whiskey in stock was sold to Mr Charles Medley I talked to him about it a couple of years ago. But he sold the brand later and I guess they had it for awhile.

I would rather it never have its name used again then to see it as a blended Whiskey. If I lived down your way I might have bought it for my collection as a very odd thing, I have learned something I never knew thanks to the both of you and your research.

It is sad they tried to do that and sell it by use of its famous name as most likely a very cheap blend.

Thanks for getting that info it seems every day I find out new things.

If you ever get a chance to get some Real Old Hickory Bourbon go for it as to me it was the best of its time. I have a couple of shots left and I guess I will never have it again either. Many Thanks for the ijnfo again!
Dave
================================================== ===
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

bad_scientist
05-18-2012, 06:38
You're right, Dave, it was a Medley bottling. I was typing quickly and mistakenly wrote Schenley.

I've heard only good things about Old Hickory, and I would jump at the chance to get the real thing!

dave ziegler
05-19-2012, 15:55
I am thinking about a change to the new Explosion proof early 1900's lamp I am making from the old Kinsey grain process building. The first picture is what I was going to do and the next ones are it with a 1930's pilot light under the switch. It still fits in my trunk for wiring but still no idea of what to do about a base it will have to be smaller then the other lamps base I made to fit anywhere.
Going to ask Rod what he thinks a little input is always a good thing.
1. Picture of the lamp with just switch
2. 3. Pictures of the lamp with the vintage pilot light.
Every single part on this Lamp is from Kinsey except the chrome piece that screws in the T to run the light wires out. Even the T is from the plant from Warehouse #38 NOS part found in a box.
Dave Z
================================================== ======
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
05-21-2012, 19:02
My Electrian friend Paul at work finally had the time to wire my last big & small glass globes Explosion Proof switch set ups.
Both switches are from the 1930's from Kinsey and here are pictures of them and my office with all the lights on.
1.& 2. My 1930's lever explosion proof switch with a red globe and cage
3.&4. My early 1930's one of a kind pull push Rod lever Crouse Hinds Explosion proof switch and Blue globe from O warehouse
5 through 7. shots of my desk with all the lights on.
8. my side table with its switchs.

Many thanks to my friend Paul the electricain for wiring these for an old stuburn guy who loves Kinsey Distillery. Kinsey lives at my work office and at my home for as long as I am around.

I am very thankful I could save all these things from the vandels who would have cashed them in for scrap when they are so rare and so very Historic.


Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
05-22-2012, 20:20
Dave,

I went through more of my Michter's stuff and made some pretty big discoveries. It turns out that Pennco was a Schenley division and did not have any affiliation with Continental! This really confuses me since Continental was a major supplier of whiskey for Pennco and even a bottler for early Michter's products. The only thing I found was that Pennco's headquarters were at 20 South 15th Street Suite 811 in Philly. I have a letter verifying a set of blueprints that lists Pennco as the DBA for Schenley Distillers at DSP-PA-17, which is Michter's. This just keeps getting weirder!

I also came to find out they used a "3 chamber beer still" until about 1951 instead of a column still. This type of still, per Sam Komlenic, was a still that was unique to rye whiskey production and is no longer used today.

PS- I have Bird Dog for you!

spiderblues
05-27-2012, 21:53
Had a fun time today with Dave & Andy. Found a base to fit my smaller shade & globe. Now I have to figure out how to display it once wired. It's a good bit smaller that the big floor lamp I made earlier, so it's a lower profile.
Here's a few pictures from today.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15803092-md.jpg
Dave & Andy next to an old fire cart

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15803093-md.jpg
My new smaller lamp assembled.

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15803094-md.jpg
Bottom view of the cage & globe

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15803095-md.jpg
Both light units side by side for size comparison

dave ziegler
05-30-2012, 13:30
Rod you should mount it on the last one of the Goose necks hanging down, it looks great. Getting my Base made for my Last Lamp next week, and getting the lamp to the Electrian friend tomorrow for wiring.
On Sunday Rod got an old Ladder and did something for Me I could not do. He climbed through a old second floor door on the Grain process building to get shots of the Big grain box above while the building is still standing here are those shots for History Plus, First Pictures when we were in the old Kinsey Bottle House Rod noticed something I had missed the Beams that support the second floor are from Old Pottstown Bethlehem Steel
1.Beam with Bethlehem on it in the red paint.
2. Grain Box
3. Looking in the Second floor of the Old Grain Process building from this building the grains moved to the fermenters in the Old DSP-Pa-12 by worm gears on the sealing of the Tunnel we had our Lockers in down on the bottom of the still.
4. Stairs with floor gone to bad to get closer, they go to the Little 3rd floor Cupalo tower on the building.
5. The Old Grain box the wood looks amazingly good like new in this shot of the whole grain Box
6.& 7. Grains still laying on the floor from spring of 1951 when the still made its last Whiskey. I wish the floor would have been walkable so I could have some of those old Whiskey grains from so long ago. My Dad worked there then.
8. Bethlehem on post in the Old Kinsey Bottle House

Thanks again to Rod for getting those Grain building shots. I now have Pictures just about everywhere in the Plant in standing Buildings to save for History.
Dave Z
==================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

silverfish
05-30-2012, 21:15
5. The Old Grain box the wood looks amazingly good like new in this shot of the whole grain Box


Wow! That does look like it is new wood.
How long has it been sitting and it still looks like that?...

dave ziegler
05-31-2012, 08:13
Wow! That does look like it is new wood.
How long has it been sitting and it still looks like that?...
Silverfish the Grain Box was last used in spring of 1951. However the building was Heated and sprinkled and taken care of By Publicker till 1982 when they sold the plant to this terrible person who owns it now. They then leased the 1966 Bottle house and a couple of Buildings and Tanks till Sept 1986 When Publicker gave up. The Old Grain Building has not been protected for 26 years and the roof is shot but this old wonderful grain holding Box still looks like new. The grains traveled from this box to the DSP-Pa-12 Distiller . I was excited to have Rod Climb the wall and get these Pictures and really excited to See The wood of the Box and the grains still in there from Spring 1951, When My Dad worked there!

I have the Last Mash bills from spring 1951 from Pa-DSP-pa-12, I found them years ago in a envelope that Vandels had tossed on the floor. I donated one set to the Limerick Historic society. There were complete sets of Grain used and mash bills dated for each day of Early spring 1951.
Dave Z
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon

spiderblues
06-01-2012, 15:34
Next trip I may just go for the last gooseneck. Can;t wait to see the base you are having made. Maybe I'll get one for this lamp?

No problem with the pictures. I'd still love to get up those stairs. I'll have to figure out a way though.
Maybe we'll go back in a couple weeks. I know Andy wanted to get something in the last building we were in!


Rod you should mount it on the last one of the Goose necks hanging down, it looks great. Getting my Base made for my Last Lamp next week, and getting the lamp to the Electrian friend tomorrow for wiring.
On Sunday Rod got an old Ladder and did something for Me I could not do. He climbed through a old second floor door on the Grain process building to get shots of the Big grain box above while the building is still standing here are those shots for History Plus, First Pictures when we were in the old Kinsey Bottle House Rod noticed something I had missed the Beams that support the second floor are from Old Pottstown Bethlehem Steel
1.Beam with Bethlehem on it in the red paint.
2. Grain Box
3. Looking in the Second floor of the Old Grain Process building from this building the grains moved to the fermenters in the Old DSP-Pa-12 by worm gears on the sealing of the Tunnel we had our Lockers in down on the bottom of the still.
4. Stairs with floor gone to bad to get closer, they go to the Little 3rd floor Cupalo tower on the building.
5. The Old Grain box the wood looks amazingly good like new in this shot of the whole grain Box
6.& 7. Grains still laying on the floor from spring of 1951 when the still made its last Whiskey. I wish the floor would have been walkable so I could have some of those old Whiskey grains from so long ago. My Dad worked there then.
8. Bethlehem on post in the Old Kinsey Bottle House

Thanks again to Rod for getting those Grain building shots. I now have Pictures just about everywhere in the Plant in standing Buildings to save for History.
Dave Z
==================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
06-06-2012, 08:28
Back in the Days of WWII there was no better supporter of Freedom then Publicker Industries. They made synthetic Rubber and Fuel for the War and Much more. They did such a great job during the War that when it ended the Government sold them the AA Building they had paid to build for a $1.00. During the Air Lift Publicker produced bags of Potato Flour to feed those starving at the wars end.

My Father Clarence Ziegler a tail Gunner on the B-29 Smokey Stover flying over the Hump from Chukulia India, got a Job At Publickers Kinsey Distillery after WWII ended.
In Honor of My Dad I have a Jacket I had Made with his plane on its back and patches for his bomb group the 40th and 25th Sq,and 20th wing of the US Army Air Corps I wear it to The WWII Weekend in Reading every year with his dog tags.


This year something came to be I could have only dreamed of. Sunday Morning walking in to the Show the leader of the group that flys the Only Flying B-29 in the World The FIFI,

met me at the gate and said we have 2 people who did not show up for the 9:00 Am flight how would you like to fly at a reduced afordable price. I had my Credit card and I went for it. I had never flown in a plane ever, and here I was wearing my Pilot and Col uniform with the Jacket with the Plane my Dad flew on on the Back, wearing his dog tags and now they would fly in a B-29 for the first time Since Dad came home in 1946.

We flew for 45 minutes and I got to crawl through the Tunnel to the Tail Gun area and stand there and think about how Brave he was. It was an 11 hr run over the Hump if you made it back and He flew in the first four waves over. No one in a big Plane like the B-29 had ever gone over the Hump and His groups figured the best point to go to Higher Altitude going and coming back. After those 4 Missions They were put in other jobs he was then a Bomb Loader in India and then Tinian Island.
Here are a couple of Pictures of Me in and near the plane.
1. Me waiting to go on the Plane they told me to Salute My Dad in this Picture
2. Up in the Air just before I crawled to the Tail gunner position.

They also recorded the information about my Dad and the first 4 Missions ever flown over the Hump in a B-29 and they Knew of the Smokey Stover turns out a very Famous Plane. Since today is D day back then, I wanted to share my great Fortune and The Fact that My Fathers Dog Tags once again flew in the Air and On a B-29. So todays thread is in Honor of The Greatest Generation and the Great Companies Like Publicker and Boeing and so many Others that preserved freedom!
Dave Z
------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

wmpevans
06-06-2012, 09:43
Dave, what a great story. Thanks for sharing.

My father was in Germany in WWII, and all you can say is war is hell.

On this anniversary of D-Day, June 6, one can't help but think of all the brave men who stormed the beaches, esp. the "first wave" guys, and how incredibly thankful we should all be for their sacrifices. :bowdown: :thankyousign:

From today's perspective a much simpler world in the sense that as a country :usflag: :usflag: we were fairly united and at least knew who our enemy was.

Cheers to your father.

Bill

Jono
06-07-2012, 09:26
Dave, that is a great story and experience. What was the space like for the tail gunner? The view?

How long did your dad work at Kinsey? Did he enjoy it as much as you did?

dave ziegler
06-07-2012, 16:22
Jono To answer your Question it is a very small area you have to jump up on a hanging canvas seat and sit holding the Gun when it was in there. To get there I had to crawl through the fusilodge and pull myself up into the spot. When he was back there he would have had to leave his chut and leather flyers jacket in the last compartment before the tail and he would have been sealed in with a closing round tunnel door because the B-29 was presurised to fly high and get over the hump. No where to go to the bathroom or drink anything 11 hours just sitting watching and hoping you would come back alive and if you had to go you just went on yourdself. He was in the very first four missions each testing for the best place to go up to a higher Alitude. 3 small windows one on each side and the one with the gun. A large person could not get in there. If I would not have lost 40 + pounds I would not have been able to get in there.

If anything happened he would have to be let out and dress quick enough to jump with his chut. Not good odds.
1. The gun looking out the back window, you had one little side window on each side.
2. Looking out the left side window
3. The sealing doors for the compartments this one being in the middle of the Plane they got much smaller at the back.

Tail gunners did not have very good chances if the plane was hit.
When I worked at Kinsey there were many WWII vets working there they hired many of them after the war. And down in Phila they hired lots of them at least one of the Band of Brothers worked in Phila for Publicker Wild Bill Guamere being one of them that worked at Publicker. A couple of years ago I spoke to Bill about working at Publicker when I met him at the air show in Reading.

During the war many a soldier got a bottle of Old Hickory or others of our products donated by Publicker. In my book about the company from 1947 they taked alot about being an American company and how american ideas keep the world going.
My Dad left Publicker because he wanted to become a truck driver and he got a job at the old Jones motors family owned trucking company. He worked there the rest of his life. He worked at Kinsey around 3 years and met people picking up loads at Kinsey from Jones and got his job that way.

I will never forget my flight in the B-29 because I really saw what he was up against and what a brave man he was.
Dave Z
==============================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickopry
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ebo
06-07-2012, 16:24
That is a great story, and just fantastic that you got to fly in a B-29 wearing your father's dog tags. :toast:

Jono
06-07-2012, 17:21
It appears the range of swing on the tail gun was quite restricted.
You better have a bucket or coffee can with you for long trips..preferably with a lid! In a way, they shared a lot with submariners by being locked in a pressurized compartment with little hope of escape.

Unfortunately, the B-29 was not allowed to fly at the safer high altitudes and lower level bombing was ordered due to jet stream issues etc. so theoretically you would think they were safer than B-26, B-24s etc. but the lower altitude bombing runs led to losses.

dave ziegler
06-10-2012, 13:47
Jono the barrel out the window has more movement then it looks to have inside there is sort of a wide sloting on the window. As far as room it was very tight in the tail.

My Dad as I said before and many other men from our area were after coming home from the war hired by Publicker, they had a policy to hire Vets first when they could. In 1947 Publicker went on the stock market and grew to number 434 on the Fotune 500. Those first years after the war they started building the explosion proof warehouses at Kinsey in 1946 and finished all of the 14 by fall 1947 around Sept when I was born.

In 1951 Explosion Proof all purpose warehouse U someday to be the worlds biggest Bottling house was built.

The Early 1950's were good years for Continental and the Kinsey plant and they continued to Distilling At DSP-PA-12 at Kinsey till Late Spring 1951.
Dave Z
================================================== ==
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
For Unhurried Momets

Jono
06-10-2012, 16:43
This may be the same plane...what noise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbyQIycR430\

I see that the gunner was separated from the actual guns - sitting above them - and fired with sighting.

dave ziegler
06-10-2012, 17:24
Yes Jono that is the B-29 I flew in and yes you had to jump up on a canvas seat against the wall hold the gun handles and sit that way for 11 hours, with nothing to drink or nowhere to go to the bathroom you were sealed in because of the presurising of the plane. I'll bet my father was thrilled when he made it home from the war and got his job at Kinsey!
I went over today to Kinsey and took two pictures of how the weeds and trees are slowly finishing Kinsey off.
1. Can you believe this is a picture of the 1966 state of art Continental Distilling bottling house you can hardly see it for the trees and weeds so darn sad for me.
2. Here is a shot down from O warehouse looking at warehouse N and P below where weeds are covering them over.

It is all sureal for me to see what this jerk that owns the place has left happen to it. You wonder if Jacob G Kinsey's gost is walking there in wonder at its ruin!
Dave Z
================================================== =
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

donviper
06-11-2012, 11:31
Dave,

Hey! It's me Don. You met me yesterday while I was walking around with my girlfriend, son, and two friends. I'm a local photographer/videographer, and I enjoy finding abandoned places and capturing photos of them. I like to take a photographic record of these places because someday they'll be knocked down.

It was really nice talking with you yesterday and thanks for giving me some of the history of the place! It allows me to tell a story along with my photos when I share them online.

If you're not busy someday, maybe I can meet you over there and you can give me a more in depth history.

Better yet, I'd like to do a video documentary on the distillery if you are interested. I see you have lots of photos and documents that could lend to a very in depth visual history.

If you are interested, let me know. I cannot believe how large the property is!

dave ziegler
06-11-2012, 16:36
Hey Don I sent you a message. Here is my latest project while I wait to get my early 1900's distillery floor lamp back from being wired. I am building a table lamp for my Kitchen from an explosion proof switch from warehouse M and its top switch lever from the Scotch chiller in the 1966 bottling house. A late 1930's pilot light from warehouse C and the explosion proof light ficture from the elevator in warehouses J & K housing from J cover from warehouse K.
Here are four pictures of what I have put together.
I will take it to work and see if my friend in Mauntaince will wire it for me.
Dave Z
================================================== ====
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurrid Moments

donviper
06-12-2012, 12:30
Dave,

Very cool light projects that you work on! I looked at almost all of the pictures you have posted on this single thread, very impressive!

Here are just a few of the pictures I took and posted on my website:

http://photo.pottstownpc.com/kinsey

I will post more soon, but I am going back to Kinsey on the 24th to get some more photos. I will be bringing a new photographer friend of mine from New Jersey with me. He's been anxious to see this enormous abandoned distillery.

unclebunk
06-13-2012, 07:06
Here are just a few of the pictures I took and posted on my website:

http://photo.pottstownpc.com/kinsey

I will post more soon, but I am going back to Kinsey on the 24th to get some more photos. I will be bringing a new photographer friend of mine from New Jersey with me. He's been anxious to see this enormous abandoned distillery.

Great pictures, Don! Please encourage our friend Dave to consider the documentary project. That's a brilliant idea and we'll have our very own movie star right here on SB. Do it, Dave!:grin:

dave ziegler
06-13-2012, 19:24
Thanks for the Kind words UncleBunk, I will try to do just that if people really want me too! I love nothing more then talking about Publicker and Kinsey Distillery.Speaking of which here are a couple of shots of some awesome things I have saved from the plant and my two Old Hickory Clocks.
1.the Large sign from warehouse P
2. the two small signs from warehouse P. About 7 years ago I was walking in the plant and saw the large sign tossed in the weeds by vandels. There was snow on the ground so I hid it in the weeds and after the snow left I carried it 1 1/2 miles through the woods to my friends station wagon to save it. It was a hard job carrying it but I could not let the creeps ruin it. The small signs are lit by my newly created Distillery Light like the one Rod made.
Later that month I got the two small signs from wareouse P giving me the whole set for history before the vandels could harm them. A few years later my friends who watch the plant got me the explosion proof phone to save for history from warehouse P.
3. The clock like a barrel top on the bottom of the picture was given me by Bourbon Joe to this very day I thank Him so much, I rewired it, and it works great. The clock on the top of the Picture I bought many years ago on E bay it is like new, but I had it overhauled by a friend. It is the rarest of the Old Hickory Clocks and lights.

I am always looking to save things for History and I have a paper in my will signed and dated by 5 people where I work in the bank safety box stating that all Publicker/Continental and Kinsey stuff most be given to Historic societies and Distillery Museums. I am driven to save every thing I can for the History of this great company and what it was like to work for a real winner and a wonderful company when I went there at age 19 in 1966.

It is my hope that my writings will always be interesting and filled with History.
Dave Z
---------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

unclebunk
06-14-2012, 08:40
Your collection certainly is fantastic. I'd sure like to see it in person some day. It's like having your very own museum right there in your home!

donviper
06-14-2012, 15:59
Dave, is it ok to go to the property to take pictures of the outside anytime? What happens if the police show up? What do I tell them?

dave ziegler
06-14-2012, 19:15
Your collection certainly is fantastic. I'd sure like to see it in person some day. It's like having your very own museum right there in your home!

Unclebunk many years of looking on line and in the plant and on trips on vacaton to get the stuff and flee markets and yard sales. The first one of our bottles I ever found believe it or not was in Maine on a trip with my Mom when she was living, many years ago it was a Hallers County Fair BIB pint bottle and I bought it in skowhegan ME.

I have been looking at yard sales and flee markets for many a year, and I have many Trade show bottles from the plant, bottles that have full labeling and a tax strip but never had anything in them.

Also I aways try to save all kinds of different stuff to keep for History, like signs and switchs and anything that was important in operating a distillery.

Sometimes the vandels throw things around and I find them and quickly save them. Sometimes people call me and give me stuff but what ever I can I save it. As a young man after I left Kinsey I at one time worked in a car Museum and learned everything I could, and I now use those ideas at home and in my Office at work.

I just have a Passion to save the History of Publicker Industries / Continental Distilling and Kinsey. My friend who ran the companies world wide Marketing gave me the honor of being the official Historian of the company. I can not tell you how much that meant to me. He has been sick the last two years but I am hoping to see him this summer.
Thanks for your interest and Kind words Unclebunk
Dave Z
================================================== =====
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
06-18-2012, 10:20
Seeing all those trees and weeds pictures I just put on the Fire tower Thread just made me think back to a tipical day on the Yard gang. The ground at the Plant is really good rich soil and that is why the ground left abandoned is so full of heavy growth.

at 7am we would ring in at the old DSP-Pa-12 Distiller and go down the stairs to the tunnel to Meet our Boss John Zuber. From there he would decide the summer Jobs for the day cleaning/Mowing/mulching. Or Hauling broken Glass and trash to the dump down by the river or special sweeping jobs. On a mowing day John would have us load our hand mowers on the old 1946 blue Ford Pickup and he would drop us at points to work from till all 3 or 4 of us ended up together with everything done in that section. Meanwhile John would take the Gang mowers pulled by an Old Ford 8n tractor and mow the large area's where we were mowing.

The place was over 199 acre's plus so we were busy those mowing days. Then there was the weekly Job of Hauling Metal rack uprights cut out on the weld spots, from the Warehouses on a farm wagon behind the Old 8n ford to the Steer pens down back where we put them all out of the weather incase they wanted to weld them back together and go back to the smaller barrels, which never happened as 8 years after I left they quit the spirits making industry to try and be like Proctor and Gambel after Si Neumans death. The idea failed and everything ended on Sept 1986 with the Man they sold the plant to, once again raising the lease price and them then giving up after many years of bad management after Si Neuman died 1976.

The plant was sold in 1982 to the person who has destroyed it supposidly to get capital to redo all the equipment in the 1966 Bottle House to be more like as I said earlier Protor and Gambel. They did anitfreeze and other household products from 1980 but retooled more when they sold the plant and leased back a couple of buildings, tanks and the Big bottle house.

The products were made in the Phila Plant. All the buildings at that time at kinsey including the old House and Barn down back had new or real good roofs everything was sprinkeled and there was power to everything when Publicker sold it.

So now the place just sits as a memory to 600 hard working People who worked there and loved their jobs and were like a family back in the day! And Si Neuman and His beautiful Distillery by the River
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
06-20-2012, 13:37
Early this week I took some pictures of My office with all my 33 Explosion Proof Pilot light/Switch combos all lit up.
It has taken over 5 years to complete them and they were wired mostly by My two Plant electrian friends. Here are 3 Pictures of my Office with Pilot lights glowing that used to glow at Kinsey! Also in Picture two is my Antique Fire Extingisher I saved from Old Jake Kinseys Warehouse H. Through the years I have tried to save everything I can from the Plant for the sake of History, and I will keep at it till the place or I am gone!

Dave Z
---------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory

America's Most Magnificent Bourbon --------------------------137031370413705

dave ziegler
06-22-2012, 14:47
On Hot days like today I well remember on days like this how cool the first floors of the old Warehouses were! When I walk around the plant nowadays I really enjoy stepping in them to cool off. Every Friday end of the day on the warehouse gangs you would find out who you were with for that coming Monday for mondays work. Jobs wise You would then either rack new filled barrels, break down barrels to dump or be moved to another warehouse to be dumped or Fill barrels at O building!

Days were busy and time passed fast so you enjoyed your work there. I was on several warehouse gangs with Jack Rayser, Shorty Keller, Bookie's ( William Haring's) gang and others. When dumping you had to time all the barrels lined up to be dumped at the trough so that they came up with the bung hole down in place on the trough. It was not an easy task but we learned how to do it.

Barrel rolling is not easy as it is repetive, and bending over the whole time is not easy in a 8 hr day. We just did the job and did not think anything about it. We enjoyed our moring break up at the break room in O building, the government building. We had a little coffee machine which produced a good cup of coffee from ARA vending and a bottled soda machine loaded with A Treat sodas the most popular soda being Ginger Ale it mixed so good with Whiskey!

Lunch was a half hour and you could get a ride out front 15 minutes before lunch and 15 minutes after to go back in the old 1953 Dodge flat truck. We also had a truck come in with sandwichs and drinks. We had real nice treated heavy wood picnic benches to sit at and they are still there.

Also a cig machine which sold alot of .35c Packs of Cigs. I had quit when I started there having smoked from when I was 11 till just before I hit 19 having gotten sick from them breathing wise.

Some days we just stayed in the warehouse and rolled dice during break and lunch. On Fridays we would go out to eat and I loved going on Fridays with Gus Niarahos who was a former major League ball player with the Yanks, Phillies and others.

He was a Company man with Kinsey in the winter months and managed a minor league baseball team in Va in the summer. At that time he manged the old New Port News minor league team. We would drive over to Spring City to the Bar on 724 that is an Irish bar to this day. We would have a couple of beers and a sandwich and then go back to work. Being with Gus if we were Late he would make sure we did not get in trouble and got the full days hours.

Sometimes we would go to the Old Frankie and Johnies bar in south Pottstown for home made stuffed Cabage or Pierogies on Fridays with Gus and of course a couple of beers.

It was a good and simple life back then and we would all be better off if things were so simple today as they were then.
Dave Z
================================================== ======================================
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

BourbonJoe
06-22-2012, 17:21
You're right Dave about life being much simpler back then. I'd love to return to those days. One thing though, I remember that ARA coffee as being terrible stuff.
Joe

donviper
06-24-2012, 19:54
Dave,

I didnt see you on the property today? Did I have my dates mixed up?

dave ziegler
06-29-2012, 13:47
The End Of The 1933 Post Prohibition Jacob G Kinsey Bottling House
( Happy House )

This Morning at 5:05 AM Lightening struck the Old Kinsey Bottling House which operated from before 1933 Fall through Sept 1979 operating for most of its years as the primary Liquor Bottling House for Continental Distilling at Kinsey. When the company bought the Plant at Auction in 1940 they had it fully sprinkled as they did with all the Old Buildings. The Old Bottling house was used to make all our Liquors till the Plant Closed. The Girls always called it Happy House because they could get a drink there fairly easy. At 5:05 AM this morning lightening knocked my power and about 650 other peoples power out and struck the building exploding it and sending flames 45 feet in the air acording to my Friends that watch the place. I have not had a chance to go there yet but once I do I can tell what all burned I expect the Old #10 Rye Barn DSP-PA-10 being so close my be gone too. And Possiblely the two old Warehouses out front E & D

What a sad end to that great old Bottle House, in the last 4 years the second floor had fell in due to fire there started by people who claimed they were going to fix the place up. They were burning a shed and caught the Old bottle house and barn and the Old Kinsey office on fire the bottle house survived for 6 yrs till heavy ice in winter brought down the roof of building destroying the second floor. The Barn also survived, the Office is a pile of Bricks.
Here is a picture of the first floor of the Old Bottle House taken in 2010.
Dave Z
==========================================
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

ethangsmith
06-29-2012, 15:30
I'm glad we were able to get in there when we did and save what we did!

ethangsmith
06-29-2012, 18:46
Dave, a man by the name of Ed Kern posted on my blog that Kinsey would be demolished "today." Here is what he said:

"This place was struck by lightning this morning and sustained heavy fire damage. Word on the street is that it will be demolished today."

Do you know him? I'll be interested to see what the status is of Kinsey....

dave ziegler
06-29-2012, 19:27
I spoke to my friends tonight and found out that lightening struck Old warehouses E & D by the river so the old bottle house still stands with a pile of rubble behind it. The sadest thing of all to get to the fire they brought in a excavator and knocked down the most historic building left the old DSP-PA-10 #10 rye barn. Boy am I glad I got my friends to cut out the old stair piece that says Kinsey #10 rye building. I am going to post a picture of it I posted before in the building before, I saved it, but in thankfulness that I saved it I want to show it in the barn back in July 2010. It sits saved in my garage. Here is a picture of the stair before my friends carefully cut it out with a fiber blade cutting saw a year or so ago, I have a picture somewhere but I will bring it out of garage this weekend and take a new shot ot it. I am going to go over this weekend to get pictures of the destroyed buildings. The #10 rye stair piece now is a real piece of Saved History. I remember thinking back in 2010 I have save it and it took a while till my friends figuered how to cut it out without causing the staircase to fall and Thankfully they got it and it will some day sit in a museum for History. I have also added a picture of the Pot still wooden upper framework I got back in 2010 showing what was above the staircase. And a picture of the back area of the staircase which burned today stating that this truck Bonded & loaded by 163 local CIO union Linfield Pa. I can't tell you how glad I am I got these pictures for History!

================================================== =============================
It was warehouse E that I first drank Rye whiskey straight from a barrel that was going to be Rittenhouse Rye and the barrels that went into the Old Hickory 20 year Old special Bourbon came from Warehouses D & E.
Dave Z
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey Forr Unhurried Moments
=========================================

dave ziegler
07-02-2012, 13:29
Here are some more July 1 2012 fire Pictures from Kinsey Distillery once a division of Continental Distilling and a fully owned Subsidiary of Publicker Industries back in the day!
1. Warehouse D
2. Looking down at Warehouses D & E standing where Dsp-pa-10 Rye Barn stood, it was torn down to get to the fire with an exavator sadly.
3. Looking over from where the #10 Rye Barn was to the Old Kinsey Bottle House.
4. Between these walls once stood the second of the oldest Warehouses Old Kinsey Warehouse B, it and warehouse A had no elevators but instead you used a chain hoist to lift barrels up to the racks and to pull them. see Picture 7 also for another shot of B.
5. Sign torn from racks in what was warehouse D says section 1.
6. This was the elevator in Warehouse E sadly Warehouse E which I was never in all these years because it still had a very large Padlock from Publicker on the only door in and no one ever cut it, was in better shape then all the rest of the old ones looking at the wood on the racks and also it still had a roof. This was the elevator I hit bottom in when someone put an extra barrel in when I wass not looking! Also the wonderful 20 year old/ Old Hickory Bourbon was made with barrels from this warehouse.
7. This hole between the walls was Kinsey Warehouse B built in 1892.
8. Amazingly the very First Warehouse ever built at Kinsey Warehouse A still stands, no roof but still intact.
I will post some more in the next couple of days and be sure and look at the 5 pictures I posted on the Fire observation room thread too!

Also for me this is like the death of a dear friend, Kinsey Distillery never deserved this and Jake Kinsey and Si Neuman would be feeling my Pain were they alive today. I loved working there I loved the Old Buildings so much and I loved the people I worked with there. THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIENDS
Dave Z
================================================== ==============
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

BourbonJoe
07-02-2012, 19:11
Looking at the photos Dave. Sad. :frown:
Joe :usflag:

mike22487
07-03-2012, 12:58
what a shame, I wish I would have spent more time there. I think I'm going to plan a trip up there to sort through some of the rubble and see what I can find. I think ill be bringing some shovels, hedge clippers and a saw with me. It may yield some good writing on the old timbers.

spiderblues
07-03-2012, 17:42
Wow, that is very sad. We'll have to plan another trip up there to see this in person. Tough to get my bearings from the pictures!

donviper
07-06-2012, 00:36
Hey Dave, it was good seeing you there the other day. So I told you about that music video that I shot at Kinsey. This was shot the day before the fire. Hopefully I did Kinsey some justice with the video.

Let me know what you think? This is a local 14 year old girl, whom I am friends with her mother. She is an aspiring singer and her mother asked me to create a music video to share online.

http://youtu.be/phRjwdq4yi0

dave ziegler
07-06-2012, 10:22
Here are some shots I got at Kinsey after the Fire on Monday July 2
around 6:00 PM.
I was amazed looking in the ruins at how strong and well built the walls were on warehouses D & E, 4 Bricks thick I have a couple of pictures showing them. Also as I said before what a shame the guy on the Excavator got carried away Knocking the wall into E down when no fire got in there, also leaving the structure at the mercy of Weather. I am sure I will get some snow pictures of the ruins this winter.
looking in E the floors were still there and it still had a half desent Roof. Here are some more pictures!
1. Warehouse E Note the thickness of the wall 4 bricks thick, Jake Kinsey Built them better then I ever relised. Note between the wall and racks is the Elevator Shaft all the wood boards sideways going up to the top with a Box sitting on the roof.
2. Warehouse E again
3. Back wall of Warehouse E with the Door now opened for the first time in 30+ years by where the Old Barrel rails were. That is the reason it was so good yet because Vandels never got into it. The Racks Wood looks like new. Also the elevator in E like H was at the door out so if something happened you had a chance. With the elevator at the very back of warehouse D you would have to walk the whole small wooden walkway to get out.
I never got in this one all the years going there, as it still had a large old Publicker Pad lock on it and no one ever cut it. Another note the Elevator on this one in E had the box type top like H verses built in the wall D.
4. The Elevator sitting at the bottom of the Shaft in Warehouse D. Both D & E shared a common wall between them.
5. The Elevator Control Panel Warehouse D which is alot like the one I saved from Warehouse H. It is my Guess all the old frieght Elevators were made and built by Reading Elevator Co, Reading Pa like Warehouse H.
6. A Sprinkler sticking out of the racks in Warehouse E.
7. Warehouse D Elevator Shaft which is different from all the others in it is built in the wall and is at the very back in the wall at the river.
8. The top of the Elevator Shaft on Warehouse D note the metal frame still holiding the Elevator Motor.

The one thing I get some peace about this is Nature took the old Buildings and not Vandels and I am studying how the warehouses were built, and to my surprise the Jacob G Kinsey Built warehouses are made much better then I ever knew. Also looking at the racks you think to yourself I bet there is no one living in this day and age who has the skill to build something like Warehouses D & E the way the racks are put together with giant bolts and the slots in the walls for each levels racks support! They were five levels high and if you were climbing the ladder you had to not look down while going up or coming down. D & E were the tallest Warehouses, and built around the turn of the century. Another thing the cost for the Quality wood that they used in them would mke it impossible to build something like them!

Also something I never thought of working in these two warehouses, if there would have been a fire and you were up top say level 5 you would never get out as the elevator would not work and by the time you climbed down if the section you were in especialy D, if not burning you would then be at the very back and have to walk the wooden walkway to get to the front.

You would then be in more trouble when you got to the bottom as each building had one door out. Guess you could have jumped out of one of the windows but if you lived you would break alot of bones. Also if you could get to a window between the racks!

One Last note some of the very best Whiskys we ever made came from Warehouses D & E. Rittenhouse Rye BIB, All the barrels for The Special 20 Year old, Old Hickory Bourbon and alot of Hallers County Fair whisky too!
I had my first taste of Whiskey in Warehouse E and it was Rittenhouse Straight 100 proof Rye, for a young guy it was awsome!

Note this Nov will be 6 years since I started here writing about Publicker and The Continental Distilling Corporations Kinsey Distillery Division. I still enjoy sharing everything I can about the plants and Kinsey! I well remember the Old water towers Painted saying Continental Distilling Corp Kinsey Distillery a Division Of Publicker Industries.

Dave Z--- Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments
================================================== ========================

ethangsmith
07-06-2012, 15:47
Dave, I got a Continental relic off EBay. It is a Union agreement book for 1969-1971. It has some advertisements in it along with all sorts of descriptions of pay and a list all the positions at all the Publicker plants. It's pretty cool.

dave ziegler
07-06-2012, 17:25
Dave, I got a Continental relic off EBay. It is a Union agreement book for 1969-1971. It has some advertisements in it along with all sorts of descriptions of pay and a list all the positions at all the Publicker plants. It's pretty cool.
Wow how did I miss that. That is the Last 3 years I worked there, I will have to try to find one myself but most times you miss something you never see another Good find!
Dave Z

ethangsmith
07-06-2012, 20:11
I'll bring it along next time I'm down. I figured I would grab it right away before it disappeared.

donviper
07-06-2012, 23:00
Dave,

I provided a link to a music video that I produced, 100% captured at Kinsey in Linfield.

http://youtu.be/phRjwdq4yi0

Let me know what you think!

spiderblues
07-08-2012, 19:55
Got a chance to walk through the old warehouse's with Dave today. What a mess it is now. Shame what happened, but guess you can't do anything about lighting strikes. Walked around & in & took a few pictures of the area. Also went into the bottling house. Been a little bit since we've been in there.

Here's a few pics for you to check out.


13839
Inside
13840
Dave & Andy looking at the warehouse
13841
Inside the pit of the warehouse

For the rest of the shots, check them out here:
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1035666

ethangsmith
07-08-2012, 20:33
Did I see a barrel???

spiderblues
07-08-2012, 20:42
Yep, the last one in there. Empty & no writing that I saw on the top.

dave ziegler
07-23-2012, 18:36
In early 1969 I got the Nicest Car I ever owned working at Kinsey! My 1967 Buick Grand Sport GS-400. It was a 400 cu inch 425 HP with a isky 3/4 race cam and 4 speed close ratio trans with a hurst shifter. It had 2 fuel pumps, one electric and the regular one plus a low 456 posi rear and drag shocks. The custom scoop on the hood was open to the Quadro Jet 4 barrel carb. And it would fly and it had only 10,000 miles on it. It was because of the good money I made working for Publicker that let me get this awesome set of wheels. The first picture has my winter mags and tires, giant snow tires on the back. The second picture has my beautiful Factory Mags. I also had a Dixco Tack on the steering colume and full gauges. Those days were as special as life could be for a 22 yr old!
Dave Z
================================================== =========================================
It Seems All the Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
07-25-2012, 10:19
Dave, is that car sitting in your driveway now with a dust cover over it?!

I am sure you did not get any speeding tickets either!

dave ziegler
07-27-2012, 11:02
Jono I wish I had it now, it would be worth at least $50.00. They only made 2,280 of them with a 4 Speed trans and Hurst shifter! And actualy I never got a ticket with it some How! Almost got stopped for drag racing once but some guy chased us to race the winner and He got stopped instead of me and the 1965 Plymouth 426 I was racing on High street in Pottstown.

It was the neatest Car I ever owned and in retrospect If I knew how cars would change I would have put it away but you thought back then that things would stay the same!
Dave Z
===========================Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments =================
================================================== =============================

dave ziegler
07-30-2012, 08:01
Two Summers ago My Friend who ran the Publicker Marketing Dept gave me the Lamp He had on his desk at the World wide Headquaters on 1429 Chesnut street in Phila.

The Bottle is a very Old Philadelphia Blended Whiskey bottle late 1940's and the Lamp shade is set with a Linfield Straight Bourbon Label on the front with vintage Continental brand labels all the way around the shade. Sadly the back of the Bottle was broken out but there is enough base on the bottle left to mount it again.

This weekend I was able to rewire it and fit the Whiskey Label Shade back on it here is a picture of the working Lamp.


It is now with my other Distillery Lamps sitting next to my Philadelphia Blended Whiskey Bottles.

When I worked for Continental Our brands were some of the best tasting and selling Whiskeys in the world.
Dave Z
================================================== ===========
Philadelphia The Heritage Whiskey

dave ziegler
08-01-2012, 13:30
In the mid 1950's Continental Distilling made a very special bottle for Old Hickory. They had The manufacturer of Coffee Carafe's make them lots of them to bottle Old Hickory in. They had them in sets of two in 10 Yr 86 Proof and Bottled In Bond. I am lucky enough to Have a set of the BIB ones in the sales box. I found the box yrs ago and bought the carafe's at a flee market a set of two the BIB ones they have red caps and the 10 yr 86 proof have white caps. I also found a owners manuel in the plant back in 2005. Here is a Picture of the bottle on the manuel explaining how to make a hot Toddy. I also Have a couple of them in the 10 yr 86 Proof loose that were my Dads when he worked there in the early 1950's.
1. Old Hickory Carafe
Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
08-10-2012, 13:30
This week is going to be a very sad week for me as A Contractor is going to Kinsey to knock down all the buildings that were invloved in the fire. The Township is forcing the owner to do it or they will condem the whole Plant.

Thinking back to better times I found something very cool from my Kinsey days this week. I was down in the basement cleaning for the Heater man to clean the heater end of the Month and I suddenly remembered something from 41 years ago when I worked at Kinsey! I went to an area where I last remembered putting and seeing it all those years ago and there it was in near mint condition. The Star Wars Air Cleaner from My 1967 Buick GS 400. Back then I had taken it off and put a chrome one that sat up through into the Hood scoop.

Well there it was bright red and dusty but the whole top of the unit. Buick called it the Star Wars air cleaner as It looked like Darth Vadars Helmet. Here is a Picture of it after I cleaned it up on my step at home. It is now on displace in my Work Office under pictures of my Buick. I am going to meet Ethan on Sunday and get some last pictures of the Oldest Buildings at Kinsey the township is also making him knock down Kinsey warehouse A the very first one built by Jake Kinsey in 1892. It was not on fire but they don't like its condition.

In your Heart you know stuff like that is coming yet you hate to let it go from those days so long ago. When I put that air cleaner there I thought someday if I sell it I will put it back on. I am so glad I have it now, If I ever get some Money I will buy one but there are very few 4 speed ones as Buick only made 2,280 4 Speed Hurst Shift Buick GS 400 cars in the 2 door Hardtop model.

So it is another wonderful memory of some great times back in my youth working for Publicker. Without that great Job I would have never had the Buick.
Dave Z
================================================== =====================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
-------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky
For Unhurried Moments

ethangsmith
08-10-2012, 15:42
Dave,

Gretchen and I will be down Sunday with a friend of mine. He is very interested in American whiskey history and he's been really excited about seeing Kinsey. He will be along with us with his kids. He has a son and daughter that like to come along whenever he visits historical or abandoned places. We'll carpool down and see you Sunday! Will you have keys to the buildings?

dave ziegler
08-13-2012, 19:18
Well here are some pictures from the trip to Kinsey Sunday afternoon with Ethan & Gretchen & their friend Eric. Also a picture of Publickers Butadiene Plant.
1. Publickers Butadiene Plant where they made butadiene during WWII. Neither I or Butch who worked for them in Phila even knew of this plant. I think most likely it was moth balled when the war ended. It was on State road in Cornwells heights,Pa.
2. Elevator Shaft of what was Kinsey Warehouse D.
3. Framed award given Continental Distilling for the quality of their Lord Sandwich British Gin Label given me by my friend in marketing at Publicker. It used to hang on the wall at Publickers headquarters at 1429 chestnut st in Phila.
4. One of the things I remember we did used chauk and played Tic Tac Toe on the elevator walls at lunch and breaks. Here is some vintage tic tac toe, warehouse J.
5.Old Kinsey Warehouse E racks hanging since the wall was knocked down.
6.Walking around in warehouse R I looked in an old turned over whisky case and saw a dead spider turned white from the mold and plaster. I took this picture of it it looks weird!
7. What was the elevator in old Kinsey Warehouse E.

I just got a call from my friends that watch Kinsey and they told me the guy hired to tear down the buildings started today.

This for me is like the death of an old long time friend! I just hope he doesn't get carried away and tears down what is left of the old Kinsey bottle house.
Once the warehouses are gone the only early 1900's building will be the grain process building. Sure glad Rod got me the explosion proof fixture I made my second light with. Glad a couple of years ago I gotthe piece of the stair from the old #10 Rye Barn. I will have a very sad night when I go to bed thinking about what this rotten Person who owns Kinsey hs done to it. If someone said to me what do you think about him I would say he is an Evil Man.

To think that in 1986 everything was working had power good roofs and he just is such a cheap person, he just walks away and lets it rot. I have come to a sad conclusion there is not one saveable building at kinsey anymore. Like my Electrian friend at work told me all he had to do was keep people out and keep the explosion proof heavy duty wiring untouched and you could fire it right up.

Some times I wonder how someone like this man can make money when they are to cheap to take care of what they have. Anyone else would have sub divided it and it would still be used, but sadly Kinsey was doomed once this jerk bought it,he is a classic Slum Landlord! He bought it in great shape for 3 Million and wants 20 million for it in ruin what a brain dead person he is!
Dave Z
================================================== =======================================
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
08-15-2012, 10:29
I have a 1936 Sams Photo Facts Blue Print Book of US Distillerys given to me 2 yrs ago by my Friend who ran Publicker Marketing from the 1429 Chestnut St headquarters. I took these pictures back then and sealed it up with spray to kill all the silver fish in it from 20 years sitting on the floor in an old building. I expect to look at it in the fall when things cool down, and hopfully the silver fish from lack of air are dead.
Here are 5 Pictures which I may have post 2 years ago but When I was with Ethan I was telling him about this book and could not remember what it was called. It is as big as a small table and weighs about 30 pounds.

1. The Front of The Sams Photo facts Book 1936
2. Page Two of the Sams Book of Blueprints
3.The Kinsey Distillery in 1936 when Jake Kinsey reopened the plant and built Warehouse H which is in the picture
4. The Kinsey Distillery after Continental Distilling bought it at auction
with all 14 Explosion proof Warehouses finished in 1947, plus all purpose Warehouse U which later became the 1966 Continental Distilling bottling house. This photo Page would be end of 1951 as warehouse U was built in 1951.
The Pictures in very small print tell the date of when the Explosion proof Warehouses at Kinsey were built and the 14 were built from 1946 to 1947 and as I said Warehouse U bottling house completed in 1951. Which lets me know the time line for the Explosion proof warehouses.
5. And Here is one for everyone from KY - The Old Happy Hollow Distilling Company, Burks Spring KY.

I hope to get the book out this fall and take many Good pictures of the Distillerys in it. But to save it I had to seal it for long time to rid it of the bugs which would be impossible to get rid of any other way.
Dave Z
-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments

ethangsmith
08-15-2012, 16:41
That's really cool. Is Michter's (Bomberger's Distillery) in there??????

Jono
08-20-2012, 10:47
Dave, you have a fantastic resource for anyone trying to locate old distillery locations.

Dave, is the property currently for sale?

mike22487
08-26-2012, 13:18
Im not sure about for sale, I cant remember the signs out front at the moment, but I know the owner wants an extreme amount of money to lease it

dave ziegler
08-31-2012, 11:00
Hey Mike good to hear from you. Jono The place has no wiring that is usable in any of the buildings, and yet 3 weeks before the fire He had my friends that watch the place show a reality guy around the Guy was amazed that he would think anything there could be used for bussiness. In 1987 he had a guy watching the place and living in the old brick house out front but He got to the point he did not pay him and he left and once he was gone so was all the wiring and everything you need to use the buildings. Not one of the buildings are saveable anymore. A couple of years ago he had agents come up there telling them there was rail service and plenty of power. When they got there their eyes rolled. He is just plain nuts.

He bought the Plant in 1982 and leased parts back to Publicker and rented some of the buildings but he always did things the cheapest way he could, like cutting out the brick wall partly on warehouse Q then wiring a wooden wall in the hole which has fallen out now.

When he bought it lots of the buildings could have been changed to frozen food storeage like they did in Phila with a couple of the old Publicker warehouses still standing on Columbus Ave.

He bought it for 3 Million and destroyed it and now wants 20 Million for in in ruin!


Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments

mike22487
09-03-2012, 22:36
Dave have you been back there since they have knocked down the buildings to see what it looks like? I hope to come up there this fall when the weather cools and leaves start changing colors.

Jono
09-04-2012, 10:30
Just how close is the property to any other commercial and/or residential area? I get the impression it is located in a fairly rural area and not very
close to an urban area. Is the relative remoteness a negative for developing the property?

dave ziegler
09-07-2012, 10:58
Jono Kinsey is on a back road in the little town of Linfield part of Limerick township, PA. It is only about 38 miles from Phila and 26 miles from Reading pa.
1.Just got two pictures of the original PACO tankers Publicker Owned. This
was built in 1943 by Sun Ship in Chester Pa. They were used to bring everything from Molasses from Cuba to barrels of whisky to the Phila and LA Chemical plants and to take and bring things from Scotland.
This ships name was The S.S. Fredericksburg

2. Just got this PACO Tanker Picture, is is the S.S. Hagen In this picture the ship had just been Loaded with Molasses in Cuba and was on its way to to a Port in New Orleans La. when it was torpedoed by a German U - Boat and sank on Nov 6th 1942 two Officers and 4 men died the rest of the crew jumped into two Life boats and lived.


Thanks to Butch for these rare Photos.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
09-19-2012, 11:23
Finally here is are 2 rare Pictures from Publicker Industries Phila given me by Butch.
1. Young woman in Quality Control inspecting Full Bottles at the Old Synder Ave Bottling house in Phila before The Linfield Bottle House.
2. Publicker Industries CO'2 dry ice Plant Thermice. N. Side of The Walt Witman Bridge Dry ice Produsts were made from the Carbon Dioxide coming off The Dsp Pa 1 still. Picture taken in 1975.

It has been wonderful Posting on all 3 threads rare Pictures from Butch and thinking about those wonderful years gone by when I worked at Kinsey. On a Pleasant day like today in Late Sept the Kinsey Plant would be very Busy getting ready for the Coming Holidays in Nov and Dec and New Years. The bottling house would be running wide open and we would be dumping lots of Whisky Barrels.
Dave Z
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky for Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
09-23-2012, 20:06
Today on my 65th birthday 41 yrs since I worked there I took a walk around kinsey and found some La Conga Rum promotional point of sale pictures that vandale's had tossed down on the floor in one of the buildings. They are now safely at Kinsey East my house. I am now sipping a shot of old Hickory from a bottle sent to me by someone on this site and it is so darn Good!. It is 7 yr 86 proof and it was an export that went to Italy, and never was opened till it came back to the states and my home, thanks to a member here! I have had a great birthday and I am now drinking some great whisky its does not get any better!
Dave Z
================================================== ================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
09-26-2012, 18:30
Good to hear your got a bottle! I was trying to get some Bird Dog for you, but it seems all my usual places (Plus a few other new ones) were out or no longer carry it. I'm not sure what the deal is.

dave ziegler
10-12-2012, 13:02
Here are 3 of The Pictures I took last sunday at Kinsey.
1.& 2. Jake Kinsey Warehouse H
3. The Little Scale House across from warehouse #38

The weeds are starting to turn colors for the fall as they creep all over Kinsey and its great ruin. I am going back sunday and just look for anything I can save from the Vandels hand. The pickins are slim but every now and then you find something they would destroy just to do it.

When I walk around it is often very sureal I find myself thinking back to the old 1941 Ford Trucks roaring from one warehouse with no dump troughs to one that has them. But there is no work going on and no smell of Whiskey in the air and no aging whiskey anywhere. When I was there the worlds largest amout of aging whiskey was in those old warehouses, now there is nothing. Like an old beloved Person Kinsey has died!
Dave Z
================================================== ==============
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
10-23-2012, 08:27
It took 3 months and here is my Last Distillery lamp finally done and added to my Office sets!
1. My lamp arrives
2. A shot from another Angle
3. Set up on my side table next to my Red globe one.

This ficture was from one of the elevators at Kinsey with a pilot light from warehouse I. It will most likely be the last lamp I make as I have just about most of the styles of explosion proof lights at Kinsey and Publicker in Phila.

These are for me a big part of the History of the Distilling industry as with out them the danger would be very Bad. They varied in styles and operation but their goal was to prevent explosions by open electric fixtures and we never had a explosion in all of Kinsey History. They were mostly Crouse Hinds and Appleton Electric, but GE made some also and I have a rare GE explosion proof switch from the plant.
Dave Z
================================================== ===================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

ethangsmith
10-24-2012, 17:59
Looks good Dave! I'll bet that puts out some good light.

dave ziegler
11-13-2012, 15:42
lts going on Thanksgiving and Christmas 2012, so lets take a trip from my memory back to the day before Christmas wed Dec 24, 1969. I am now working in the warehouses and that year was a very good year from my memory for fine spirits of all kinds made by Continental Distilling. The last of the New Years whiskys are being loaded in trucks and rail cars. The dock at the front of the 1966 bottlng house has 3 rail cars and 10 trucks being loaded in the early part of the day as after lunch there was if any very little work going on! As I travel with my Gang I am handed a 1/2 Pint of whisky early in the day, I made the desion to pretend to drink it while I watched Humanity at work. All the work needed to be done was done I would say by 10:00 Am. Before Lunch the Governmen men and most of the plant were really drinking.

By lunch the soda machine had run out of Ginger ale and other sodas were disappearing fast. We sat around just talking about the coming one day Holiday with much joy, as the people those days were just Hard working people who really enjoyed the few days they got off. We got just the day of Christmas off Paid those days and if you had saved some vacation you could take more. We sat drinking and playing Dice in the warehouse and the company people just left us alone. It Had been a good year for sales and right then the future looked bright.
No one could know that in 7 Years 1976 Mr Neuman would die and it would be as if the heart of what made it work was gone forever.

I always felt very sure of having work as Long as Si Neuman was alive, He took the company in its early days from 8 people to 5,000 employees so seeing him come up from time to time made you feel full of hope. By the end of the day I was about the only person who was sober, and it was so interesting just watching. I saw people falling down and walking very bad but no one got hurt and by the time the day was over no one left that got in any kind of driving trouble. As I pulled out of the lot at the end of the day, Security Leaned out of the Guard box and looking a little loaded said Have a good Holiday!

They were such simple times back then people took care of each other anyone who could not drive was taken home by someone they worked with and even though we only had Thursday off and had to work Friday we were truely Thankful for our coming Holiday with the Holiday meal and family. Back then I had a living family and mom always made the most wonderful roasted Turkey and all the goodies and home made Apple Pie. I wish everyone who is young that read here could go to those times for just one week like Christmas week to see How different and better those days were. We did not have alot of money but we were content. And most of all we Lived in the home of the brave and the land of the free.
Dave Z / Christmas eve Wed Dec 24 1969 == Kinsey Distillery ==
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
11-15-2012, 11:16
Did the company give out any holiday gifts, be it whiskey or turkeys or hams?

dave ziegler
11-15-2012, 16:13
I think we got a turkey for Christmas, but can't really remember much about it Jono, I will call Ludy and ask if he remembers. Today I gave my Friend who has wired most of my Explosion proof Lights one of the Warehouse signs Ethan helped me to get. Warehouse S which is 3rd to the last out back! Pictures

1. & 2. are the sign I gave to Paul, he is adding it to other things I have given him for all his help in preserving all my explosion proof lights! Also I find by giving stuff to selected people they will keep the History of Kinsey and Publicker / Continental Distilling alive after I am long gone. My one goal is to preserve the History of the Company.

Thanks to Ethan for helping me to save the sign I gave Paul and warehouse M's sign in my garage for History. The place is getting so bad there is little left to save. I am hoping to go there again this weekend by myself and in the near future with Ethan again! Paul is going to schlack the sign and put a steel cord on the back and hang it in his wreck room!

Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think the place would be gone and it would be up to me to save artifacts from it for History. Strange how things happen. These signs hung there on the buildings since 1946/47 the year I was born and they were built, so they are as old as me, 65 years old, and still surviving with the good old oil base paint that preserved them! Charlie Sipler painted them when ever they needed touch up and they are still the tradional White and blue they were when I started there in SEPT 1966. Charlie would roar around the plant in his Model A buggy with 100 hp Ford flat head motor, no roof or fenders just a old padded chair boalted on the frame and a folding chair boalted on the passenger side and a homemade wood flat bed in the back. He would fl every time when he took off in the mornning to do paint and building repairs.
Dave Z
================================================== ==================================
It Seems All the Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
11-20-2012, 18:50
Tonight before I go to bed I am drinking a shot of something totally rare and amazing Philadelphia Straight Rye Distilled in 1941 and Bottled in 1946. my friend who ran marketing gave me an old corked bottle of this and I removed the cork and filtered it through a brown coffee Filter 2 years ago and every once in a while I will have a shot of it. It reinforces my thoughts that Old Whisky is so much better then anything made new today! And it is a whiskey I had never knew exsisted.
No Rye Whiskey I have had of the modern stuff can compare to the old ryes we made, too much filtering and to much computer making has taken so much from Whiskey. I love the old style of the distiller making the judgement over a computer!
Dave Z
================================================== ===================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
12-19-2012, 10:59
Here is a picture of the Last one of the Old Dsp-pa-12 Distillery Buildings the Old Grain Process Building. On the right still side was the tunnel room we sat in at breaks in the yard gang and the bathroom was in the Grain building. There is an old set of Lockers sitting where the roof was sitting outside now that the still is torn down.

The Old Grain Process building after the DSP-PA-12 Distiller was my Second favorite Old building with its coupalo on the top built in around 1892 it and whats left of Warehouse A is all that is left of that time and place.

I put it here in Celabration of Christmas Past working at Kinsey in a much simpler times and a time where People wanted to work and earn their Living. And Of The Famous RittenHouse Rye Made at Kinsey till spring 1951.
Also in memory of Old Hickory Straight Bourbon!

Merry Christmas to All
Dave Z
================================================== ==============
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
12-19-2012, 17:27
The roof is always the weak spot in such buildings. The old brick walls will stand quite awhile after the roof collapses in.

Nature can take over in a hurry with all of the trees and bramble growing around it. One day it will essentially be swallowed and knocked down
by trees growing out of the interior once the roof is gone. There is some grace in that rather than being knocked over or burned down.

dave ziegler
12-20-2012, 08:39
Yes Jono the weeds and nature are taking Kinsey away, but it is better then it being knocked down like what happened to the Publicker sight. Here are a couple of Pictures of lamps made from kinsey parts and a Lamp that used to sit on my friends desk at the Publicker / Continental Distilling World Headquarters on 1429 Walnut Street in Phila.

Except for the Philadelphia Blended lamp that my friend gave me from the headquarters I created the other 3 here plus a couple more, They have modern energy saving blubs in them so I enjoy them every night. I just created the Kinsey Silver whiskey one today on my day off from work!

1. My newly created Kinsey table lamp.
2. The Old made in the late 1940's Philadelphia Blended Lamp given me by my friend who ran Continental Distilling Marketing.
3. My Kinsey Lamp and my Exposion proof Lamp made from parts from Warehouse K and the Old Kinsey Bottle House light fixture inverted upward.
4. My Goose Neck Lamp made with the early 1900's Exposion proof Fixture from the old Grain process building, the only one that was left there. Mounted on a goose Neck conduit from the Plant with a switch from warehouse I , and a exposion proof Pilot light from warehouse I and a old guard key check box from Warehouse C. And little Rub Alcohol wood sign from the 1966 bottling house. I created these lamps and had great fun doing it and had professional electrians wired the big lamps and I myself rewired the Old Philadelphia Blended one and put together the Kinsey one with the help of a wire Kit.

A merry Kinsey Blended Christmas to all!
Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Kinsey The Unbhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments
-------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
------------------------------------------------------------------

dave ziegler
01-31-2013, 13:15
Well If the weather permits I will be walking around Kinsey on Sunday! Been weeks since I have been there and it draws me Like a moth to a flame. I plan on taking my Best Camera this time for some shots of what is left.
Two days ago I found the American League Baseball Gus Niarhos gave back in the day. It Has the Pres of The American League back then on it Joseph E Cronin. Sadly I never thought to Get Gus who was a cather with the New York Yankees when He was young to sign it. Gus is credited with creating the modern day Cather's mitt but never got a dime for his idea! Every Winter instead of managing in the South American Leagues he came and worked at Kinsey as a Company Man. He at that time in during the baseball seasons managed the NewPort News Minor league team!

Gus was a very cool Guy and he would always have a mouth full of Chew! When he went out on Fridays to get a Beer I loved going with cause if you were late he would say it was all his fault. I said one time to him Gus you did not get many at bats he said when Yogie and Elston Howard are on the team you will get alot of Blisters sitting on the bench.
Dave Z
============================-------------------------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

Jono
01-31-2013, 14:41
Dave, if you don't mind me asking, how much actual stock do you have left to drink?
Are those Cafe Lolita bottle unopened?
I know your Old Hickory was down to just a bit left at one point.
What about Inver House or some of their other bourbons, ryes?
In other words, are those bottles mostly empties?

ethangsmith
01-31-2013, 15:44
Dave- I would join you, but we're already booked this weekend. Once the weather turns warmer, we'll have to make another trek into Kinsey!

dave ziegler
02-04-2013, 19:06
Jono sadly I only have 1/2 a bottle of Caffe Lolita, and 1/2 a bottle of original Rittenhouse Rye. A 1/4 bottle of Inverhouse Scotch. I do have a few bottles of Peanut Lolita which is our rarest product as No one made it but us! Ethan give me a call in a couple of weeks before spring when the weeds return.!
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
02-11-2013, 09:44
Dave, you might be interested in the 3 whisky series that Ralfy is doing...it echoes Kinsey...especially the Brora review. The distillery closed about the same
time...1984....and has not produced since. However, Diageo kept the property up and it is still "mothbolled" so to speak...unlike your Kinsey. He remarks that
one thing Diageo has done right is the upkeep of old properties vs letting them decay.


http://www.whiskyreviews.blogspot.com/

Sunday, 3 February 2013
whisky review 337 - Introducing Three Dead Distilleries

1. Wednesday, 6 February 2013
whisky review 338 - Rosebank 14yo Signatory
2. Sunday, 10 February 2013
whisky review 339 - Brora 23 yo Signatory 46%
3. Pending....

dave ziegler
03-14-2013, 10:47
Thanks Jono I will check it out, been so busy at work have not had a chance to do anything here. Will be writting soon and posting some Pictures. I will go to that link.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
03-25-2013, 19:11
Here are 3 new Pictures I got from my friend Butch who worked for Publicker for 10 yrs in Phila.
1. Times Square at night, snow on the ground and Kinsey Blended whisky on the building the ball comes down on at New years!
2.Times Square another picture Of Kinsey Whisky on the times Square Building used each New years eve!
3. A very rare Ad for our Peanut Lolita Liquor! Which I am lucky to have a couple of cases of! It was of all things a favorite Of Billy Carter! I will post a picture of Him drinking it soon!

Kinsey as Far as I know is the only one of our Whiskys to ever make the Times Square Building! I hope to soon be posting many more Pictures I have been sick a bit and busy at work and need to write more here!
Dave Z
================================================== ====================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
04-08-2013, 18:53
Took a walk around Kinsey on Sunday mostly to check for open buildings. Pulled one of the roll doors in the 1966 bottle house down! I really have a hard time seeing what the paint spraying people do. Seeing all the weird stuff they do !
Dave Z
================================================== ================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
Amerikca's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
04-23-2013, 11:12
I love the first winter street scene. By the movie playing..Possessed..these are from 1947.

dave ziegler
04-30-2013, 10:37
Here are some more Vintage Pictures from the Publicker Plant in Philadelphia!
1. The Docks at Publickers Bigler Street Plant looking toward NY City.
2. Another shot of the Abandoned Bigler Street Plant, The debris is what is left of the Guard House where Butch Clocked in.
3. The Synder Ave Distillery in 1936 At Swanson Street. This is where Butch started at Publicker in 1967!

Butch started there in 1967 and I started at Kinsey in 1966 sept. Small world. I never thought I would see the day both plants would be abandoned and gone. When I left Kinsey it was the Hub of lots of work. about 600 people. Publicker was the worlds bigest Maker of industrial and Drinking spirits. But in fall of 1986 the end came swiftly.
Dave Z
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
06-13-2013, 17:45
I most likely will not get back to Kinsey till cold weather as I have not seen so many Ticks as I have this year so far. I still love the place and always look to find things to save from there. It is destroyed and I am getting Old! I will be 66 in Sept and It is getting harder for me all the time. I am very glad I have saved the stuff I have, and shared stuff with others to keep the Kinsey Memory going. When I do go there I still in my mind can see my old friends there working. I can see Old Bonda driving his 1952 Plymouth directing traffic the whole time drinking again and again. It was a place I will never forget and a wonderful job for a 19 year old Kid out of High school. My Memories will go on as long as I can write. Dave Z -- Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
07-12-2013, 10:54
Here are some more Pictures I got from my friend Butch who worked at the publicker Plant in Phila for better then ten years.
1. A Dixie Belle Gin Tray
2. A picture of the Publicker Plant from 1972 with notes done by butch of what everything was in a chart.
3. An artical about Publickers Famous Chemist Dr Carl Haner who stated he could age whiskey in months instead of years!

I will always have alot of Pride in having worked for Publicker which to Me was the greatest Distiller for its size in History!
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

sutton
07-12-2013, 12:03
Hi Dave, that second picture triggered a memory ...

Wasn't there a fire somewhere around there that closed the WW bridge maybe 20 or 25 years ago? Did it occur on that sight?

mbroo5880i
07-12-2013, 18:54
Dave,

Thank you for sharing your memories. This a really cool thread.

mbroo

dave ziegler
07-15-2013, 13:11
Yes Sutton there was a big fire in 1986 after the plant was abandoned. Started by the wrecking company that Publicker sold it to for next to nothing with a promise they would clean it up right enviromentaly.

Mbroo 5880i thanks for the kind words this is a work of love for my old employer!
Here are a couple more pictures gotten from my Friend Butch who worked at the Publicker Plant for 10 years.

1.The Publicker/ Continental Distilling Barrel Warehouses as seen in 1968 from Delaware Avenue and Dilworth Street. One warehouse says Old Hickory, the other says Hallers SRS Whiskey.
2. In this Picture you can see Publickers Continental Distillery at Snyder Avenue on the back side of the elevated I - 95 Highway in Phila, in 1968.
Thanks to Butch for these new shots I will continue to search for pictures of Publickers Plants, when I look at these Phila pictures I think about all the great People who worked for Publicker, Including our wonderful Engineer Joe Trish!
Dave Z
================================================== ============
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

unclebunk
07-15-2013, 14:39
As always, great photos Dave. Keep 'em coming and best wishes to you this summer. I think Ballantine Ale will do the trick and get you through the dog days of August when they come. By the way, you often mention people you worked with when posting pictures, like engineer Joe Trish. Do you have pictures of those folks too? They would go nicely with your stories about Publicker/Continental/Kinsey.

sutton
07-15-2013, 18:15
Dave, thanks, your recall is amazing - and thanks for the pictures. They bring back some nice memories for me of Philly at that time.

dave ziegler
07-16-2013, 12:19
Here are two more Pictures from my Friend Butch
1. Another Continental Brand I never heard of from 1934 Pocono Straight Rye Whiskey we had Hundreds of brands and I seem to find more everyday
2. A Picture of an Old Publicker Industries Securtity Badge that Butch got one night when security in Phila was half loaded and asleep for memories.
It fits in with what I saw back on Christmas Eve 1969 when Nellie leaned out the security shack when I was leaving and smiled and said See you in sort of different voice then normal as the whole plant in Linfield including the Government Men were Loaded.
I saw Bob dancing and people were walking very funny as I pretented to drink and watched them for the History of seeing it from a sober point of view!
But as I always Say There was NO Better Place to work then For any division of Publicker. The Water Towers back then said Continental Distilling Linfield Plant a Division of Publicker Industries! PS I have posted Pictures on all 3 threads today. And thanks for the Kind words Unclebunk
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

mbroo5880i
07-16-2013, 20:41
So the security guards were lit and Butch picked up a badge as a keep sake. Awesome! Sounds like Christmas Eve was a party day! Great memories, thanks for sharing!

dave ziegler
07-17-2013, 08:07
Just got two Old Ads for Continental Distilling Brands at a low price as Mr Neumen believed in, he always wanted his products to be afordable for the Common Man! Thanks To Butch for these!
Pictures are
1. From a Plattsburgh New York Dept Store named Scheier's 1 Full Pint of Envoy Club Whisky Price is a $1.00
Also Dixie Belle Gin full Quart Price $2.00.
2. An ad for Dixie Belle Gin, Dixie Belle Gin and the Dead Ducks.

I am fortuneate to have an old original empty Pint Bottle of Envoy ClubI bought many years ago. It is getting very hard to find our bottles and I still long to find an Old Linfield Straight Bourbon bottlee for my Collection while I am still here!
During these Hot days we are having here in Pa it was never like that in the warehouses they were always cool and you could escape from the heat in them. When I was on the yard gang it was very hot during the summer mowing the lawns and weeding the flower beds. We also did alot of sweeping in buildings and I would always volunter to sweep the old DSP-PA - 12 distller building! Thanks for your Note mbroo5880i
Dave Z
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Best Old Fashioneds Are, You'll Find
The Mellow, Made with Kinsey Kind! ( Another Great old saying from Continental Distilling)

dave ziegler
07-18-2013, 10:44
Here two more rare Old Ad's from Continental Distilling
1. From the Nasuha Telegraph NH Mar 13 1936 Mild yet 90 Proof Coobs Creek
2. April 12 1934 Snug Harbor Blended Whisky

I wish I could have taste tested all our Products but I have at least tasted many of them. My Favorite of course is Old Hickory, followed by Hallers County Fair BIB. I still consider our whiskys to have been some of the best ever made!
Dave Z
-------------------------------------===================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
07-19-2013, 08:16
When Prohibition ended during the middle of 1933 / through 1934, The Continental Distilling Division of Publicker Industries was created and began picking names and creating profiles for Drinking Spirits. At that time Harry Publicker and His Son Inlaw Si S. Neuman sat down and had sessions picking names and creating brand types. Then with their Distllling Engineers they created Whiskey Profiles and the mash bills for the Products. I know alot about this from my Friend who ran the Sales part of the company.
Our 3 Big Time Bourbons where Old Hickory 80 6 yr 86 10 yr, Old Hickory BIB later, Hallers County Fair BIB after they bought The WA Hallers and Sons Distillery and Our Premium Charter Oak Bottled In Bond Bourbon! The Name Old Hickory was bought from its owner before Prohibion and Became the Most famous Bourbon of those Days!
On March 13,1934 Dr Marks and His Wife Miriam suggested to Publicker the Name Charter Oak. It was Issued to Continental Distilling at that time as a legal name. However Bernheim Distilling of KY claimed the name was to close to their Old Charter Name. They filed a suit which went on for many years I think it was finally resolved by May 1959 and Continental Distilling was able to contiue their Charter Oak brand of BIB Boubon Whisky.
1. Here is a Picture of an old Charter Oak Ad
2. Here is an Old Ad issued in Pa for Dixie Belle Gin.

Thanks again to Butch for these great old ads, and here for my being able to talk about the begining of Continental Distilling in History here. When Harry and Philip Publicker went into business they had different ideas. Harry wanted to do only Industrial stuff thinking something was going to happen with spirits. ( Of course Prohibition happened ) Philip Publicker decided He wanted to distill drinking spirits so he Founded American Distilling right down the road from Publicker Ind in Phila back then.

When Prohibition ended the end of 1933 Publicker decided now was the time to start distilling drinking spirits and they went at it big time!
Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
-------------------------------------------------
Join The Swing To Kinsey
-----------------------------
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
07-29-2013, 08:25
Here are some more historic Pictures gotten from my Friend Butch who worked at the Publicker Plant for 10 yrs.
So Here we go back into History and not Just History but the History of the Greatest Distiller in History In Pa.
1. The Famous DR Carl Haner in His Snyder Avenue Laboratory in 1933. He claimed He could make 17 yr old Whiskey in 24 hrs with his process? However no whiskey ever marked quick overnight aged was ever marked on any bottles.
2. Snyder Ave Bottling Plant Empoyee Margaret Kane displaying several bottles of Sweepstakes whiskey at the same time displacying her Irish sweepsatkes tickets for a 150,000.00 prize she hoped she would win Oct 29 1934.
3. Only the second Picture I have ever seen of WA Hallers and Sons Distilling Plant Nov 29, 1949. I have the one different Picture given to me from my friend in Marketing!
4. Picture of Hallers County Fair Bourbon on a Billboard and bottom closeup of the Billboard 1950.
5. Publicker Barrel Warehouse at Swanson & Delaware Avenues Aug 17 1949 Note semi trailers on company lot say Kinsey Whisky.
6. The Biger Street Chemical Plant in 1935, you can see one of our Paco tanker ships getting loaded!
----------------------------------------------------------------
Many Thanks to Butch for these exciting Pictures especialy the Rare one the the W A Hallers Distillery it is the only one besides the One I have that I have ever seen. Dr Haner made quite a Splash back in the 1930's after Prohibition ended but nothing ever came of quick aged whiskys. Also back in the early 1930's our Sweepstakes straight Whisky was very popular. Those Kinsey trailers in the warehouse picture are the first I have ever seen but Kinsey Whisky was a big seller in NY especaily NY City. It was as far as I know our only brand ever to be on the Times square ball drop building in the 1930's.
Dave Z
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
08-01-2013, 10:44
Here are some more product pictures gotten from my Buddy Butch.
1. Invenver House Scotch Ad for Racing sponsered by Inver House. I have in my collection a old pocket Calendar for 1968 American Road racing Sponsered by Inver House I also have a race winning wooden hang up.
2. Glen Mavis Scotch which I can say I once bought a bottle of on Line and found it a nice Scotch.
3. Cold Stream British Gin a big seller for Continental they had a Distillery in Eourope where they made it.

I once had a 1/2 Pint of Cold Stream Scotch and found it delightful. I am looking forward to cooler weather so I can go back to visit Kinsey again.
Dave Z
Inver House Imported Rare Scotch ( Soft as a Kiss )

mbroo5880i
08-04-2013, 19:44
Dave,

I never drank Inver House (I was too young) but I recall the brand. Was it nationally distributed? I live in Indiana and my grandfather drank scotch.

I believe you have said that you liked Old Hickory? Did you have any other favorites?

mbroo

dave ziegler
08-09-2013, 11:43
Yes mbroo588i it was distributed Nationaly, we had a bottle house out in Lemont IL. The ads through the years named all kinds of Places they would say Inver is in Indiana, or Ohio or France! For being a blended Scotch it was a nice drink! Had a few in my time.
Yes Old Hickory was my Bourbon of Choice, But I also enjoyed Hallers County Fair BIB. And I enjoyed Governors Club Blended also.

Dave Z
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Soft As A Kiss
Invers in Indiana!

squire
08-12-2013, 08:23
Haller's County Fair BIB is one dusty I would really like to get my hands on. A six year old BIB made back when.

dave ziegler
08-29-2013, 10:49
Yes Squire it is an awesome Pour I was lucky enough to have had a couple of bottles a couple of years ago!
I aways hope to find Old hickory each time my Birthday comes up just for the pleasure of an old fashioned Bourbon made the way Whiskey should be.
Here are 3 more pictures posted here, I posted some pictures on each of my 3 threads today.
1. An ad for Old Hickory Bourbon
2. A tank Car sitting at Bigler street Plant in the 1960's
3. A billboard for Embassy Club Canadian Whiskey 1960's / This is a vbery good Whiskey I once a few years ago was given 5 Bottles they have all departed fast!
Dave Z
=======================================
Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
09-16-2013, 10:48
Just got some More pictures of the Philadelphia Publicker Plant from back in the Day,from My Friend Butch who worked there!
1. The Bigler Street Still House in 1939
2. One Of 3 Bigler Street Chemical Plants in 1939. They made Butyl Acetete,Butyl Chloirides,Butyl Alcohol and much more.
3. One of the Bigler Street Chemical Plants on April 11. 1992 after an Arsonist set the Abandoned Plant on fire.
4. Here is another Picture of the Old Snyder Ave Still house in 1939.

So sad to Know this once Great Company is no More, For Many Years 5,000 People worked for them Myself being one of them I learned my Work ethic working at Kinsey! A hard days work for a Good Fair Pay!
Dave Z
================================================== =========
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
10-29-2013, 18:39
Well here are some new Pictures I got from Butch of the Philadelphia Plant of Publicker Industries/Continental Distilling! Picture two is A news Paper article from the old Warren county news paper the Warren Times reporting the opening of the worlds Largest Distillery Continental Distilling in May of 1934 at Swanson and Snyder Avenue, in Philadelphia. Picture three is Publicker Paco Products and Chemical Plant #1 that produced there ingridients at the Bigler street Facility. Picture one is the Snyder Avenue Still in 1941 the steam is coming from the still house! Dave Z It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory, America's Most Magnificent Bourbon. PS. had to change the numbers around as the pictures loaded different then I placed them.

dave ziegler
11-06-2013, 08:31
Winter is apon us and I mine goes back to the Good Old Days, driving My 167 Buick GS 400/425 HP 3/4 Race Cam to Kinsey every day. It was the Nicest Car I ever owned and It was because of the good Money I made there I was able to buy it!
so Here is a Picture Of spOOky as I had written on it this way on the car and front Plate had eye balls in the center of the O's.
1. The Buick GS 400 only 2,280 of these 4 speed Buicks were made in 167 in the Hard top model
2. The Plate with Spooky done special for me by a friend who did grafic art. Got the Name from the Song Spooky by the Classics Four used to get some Gears when that song came on!
3. A Old Time Picture of the Early Kinsey Plant in Color and even years later when I worked there those Old buildings l;oooked that way in the Sun in the Morning coming in.
I would gert in early To Watch Charlie Sipler burn out with His Model A frame buggy with a 100 HP Falthead ford to Power it. He had a living room Chair bolted on it to sit and a cheap metal chair for a Passenger. Also a wooden bed in back. He told Dicky Pfiefer when He was getting it made I want plenty of Power, and He would come out of the Grain drying building Hit second gear slide around the silo and hit 3rd gear on the road into the plant every morning with his pipe in his mouth. For a 19 yr old Kid it was awesome watching him take off.
Also Old Bonda Would be in the Old Warehouses Filling his 1/2 Pint whisky Bottles for that day. Bonda always got his whisky from the old Kinsey warehouse where the Real good old stuff was back then!
Dave Z
-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
---------------------------------------------------------------
Join the Swing To Kinsey
------------------------------------------------------------

Jono
12-02-2013, 09:07
I did not realize the train ran right through the middle of the plant.

ethangsmith
12-02-2013, 15:31
They had rail service from the Reading and the Pennsylvania (Later Penn Central) via opposite ends of the plant.

dave ziegler
12-02-2013, 19:51
Thanks Ethan, the Reading came in on a bridge over the river and the Pennsylvania came in from the front of the plant the Pennsylvania lines are still used but the spur into the plant is long gone! Just got off the phone from talking to Joe Trish's daughter. Joe was the top engineer for Publicker Industries and designed 95 % of the things built at Philadelphia,Scotland and Lindfield Pa and also Lemont IL.
I hope to take her to visit Ludy Sometime soon as he was a good friend of Joes. Dave Z It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
12-03-2013, 18:43
Was there actual freight car loading at the facility or did the lines just run by and through it?

dave ziegler
12-05-2013, 10:53
Jono full Barrels came in from Phila and full cases of Whiskey left the Plant by box car also! During the months of Oct and Nov till mid Dec Whiskey for the Holidays was flowing out of the Plant by Truck and Box car. The Bottling house Docks could handle 3 box cars and at least 10 trucks at the same time as the Dock ran the full two Football fields length of the Building.
Dave Z
================================================== ==
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Fangzilla
12-24-2013, 01:21
Hi Dave,

Just wanted to say - I've read this thread over twice, all 99 posts of it. Every single one. And some of your side-threads as well. This really is a great piece of history. I wish you didn't have to drive truck for so many years on a job you didn't love (by the way, I have a big respect for truckers and all that they do), but at least you had the Kinsey years. And I thank you for preserving the history none of us would know about otherwise. Everything you've preserved makes me appreciate what came before me. Take care, and God bless.

dave ziegler
01-07-2014, 10:08
Thank you Fangzilla for your Kind words have been not feeling great but better now and going to start posting again. I am glad for that first job at Kinsey and the one I have now as a company Mailman. Here are Pictures two which I posted years ago, and two new ones.

1. Year was 1936 and this was the Snyder Ave Still, DSP-Pa 1 It was later replaced by the Bigler Street DSP-Pa 1-B still.
2.This was the stair case in the Old Kinsey DSP-10 Rye Barn building which was torn down to get at the Fire started by Lightening in 2012. The part of the Stair that says Kinsey #10 Rye Building was cut off the stair a year before the fire for me by friends and it is safely in my Garage and did not burn up.
3. This is a picture of the Glen Flager Distillery in Scotland the year was 1965. I got this from my friend Butch who worked in Phila at Publicker.
4. An Old Match Pack Ad for Kinsey Whiskey.
I hope to write in all 3 of my Threads today and post pictures in all of them.
Dave Z
===============================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent bourbon

Fangzilla
01-07-2014, 22:29
Dave, I was wondering how you were doing. Happy New Year 2014! Glad to see you back posting again. That matchbook is a classic. A glass of whiskey and a comfortable chair will never go out of style, even if matchbooks have.

dave ziegler
01-09-2014, 18:21
Fangzilla I am very lucky to own a match book like that in my collection. I have spent many years getting things to preserve for the History of Kinsey and Publicker and I hope to do a lot more posting in the future! Thanks again for the kind words. Back in 2007 after I almost died I made my mind up I was going to cover as much History about the company as I could and I have lots of stuff yet just got to spend time posting it.
Dave Z
================================================== ======================
Join The Swing To Kinsey

dave ziegler
01-16-2014, 13:22
Today was a great day for me as I got a call at lunch time in my Office from a Man who is part of a group that is Bringing The Old HicKory Whiskey brand Name back. We talked about the Brand and They Hope some day to bring it back for sale to Pa their web site is

www.oldhickorywhiskey.com (http://www.oldhickorywhiskey.com)

It will be a hand crafted Whiskey and will be bottled in Nashville Tenn! I am so glad that someone is going to market it in a quality Product and look forward havin someg one Day!

It has been so many years since it left us and They bought the name because of Andrew Jackson ( Old Hickory ) coming from Tenn and it is being bottled not far from his home. I am very Happy and enjoyed talking to the Man from Lipman Brands I had e mailed them and here it is a day Later they called me.
Dave Z
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
01-16-2014, 13:27
I wonder if they will try to recreate the original mash bill for at least one of the products? I guess we will have to wait and see.

Fangzilla
01-19-2014, 16:46
Very interesting indeed. As Jono says, the first question is, have they bought the original recipe as well? If they just bought the name, and not the recipe for Old Hickory, I suspect it will be a disappointment. Especially for Dave, who remembers very well what OH is supposed to taste like.

Jono
01-19-2014, 19:01
They will have a different "terrior" being made in TN vs PA - however - they are keeping with a similar label.
http://magazinesadsandbooks.com/Magazine-Ad-for-Old-Hickory-Bourbon-Whisky-Andrew-Jackson-1952-10-38-by-14-P2625270.aspx

I assume they are buying bulk and blending ....ala Templeton..but with more transparency?

dave ziegler
01-20-2014, 18:04
Well here is the Bottle sent to me from them after talking to a member of the RS Lipman Company! It was bottled in Bardstown KY. And says Old Hickory Great American Whiskey 100% American Grains. Blended Bourbon Whiskey! I will give it a try once I sign out. I had talked to them late last week about our Old Hickory and they wanted to thank me by giving me a bottle. I expect it will be totally different from ours but I think from what they told me it is going to be a good pour!

Just tasted it and I find I to be a very Flavorful Bourbon I think it will sell well n Tenna.
Dave Z
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
01-22-2014, 16:32
That is wonderful Dave! It looks very enticing, hopefully, the have done the label justice. But kudos regardless for them bringing it back
and being so nice to you. Maybe we will see you in advertising! "Hi, I'm Dave Ziegler, and I drink Old Hickory, you should too!"

I did not know much if anything about Lipman's but there website product info is worth a look
http://www.lipmanbrands.com/category/brands/

Hap & Harry’s Beer....hmm, worth a try!

dave ziegler
01-23-2014, 17:43
Jono it is very Tasty, different but a very nice Whiskey! I am going to try to just enjoy a shot now and then to make it last! The Label is the original picture we used just different colors around it. I am very pleased that it is a real good quality product.
Not Happy with what work has done this week to us, we can not go on anything that says whisky or Beer. This world is getting nuts So I can only post from Home to here.

Dave Z
==================================================
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Fangzilla
01-25-2014, 15:39
Congrats on that bottle, Dave. Nice to have something that will remind you of the old days (besides your entire house full of things from the old days). :slappin:

I work in Information Tech, so I recognize what happened to you at work - they implemented a "web filter" to control which sites you can visit. Everyone is doing it. If you can befriend the IT guru who controls that device, in some cases he/she might be persuaded to open up one site for you, such as this one. Worth trying! Whether this will work depends on how large your company is.

Us younger folks get around this at work by using our mobile devices when we can.