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dave ziegler
11-28-2006, 13:04
Just a few of my Kinsey Distillery Memories! I will never forget one of the first days I started there I met the nurse for the plant and her telling me to try not to get hurt or need anything after 2:00-PM as after that she would be having her Whiskey and Coffee, of course she said the Doctor told her to do it for her health. The Plant was 200 acres and we drove around from warehouse to warehouse in 1941 and 1947 Ford Flat trucks hauling barrels of Wiskey to be dumped in the troughts to be sent to be blended filtered and bottled. It was just a trough with screen and we would roll the barrels on it pull the bung and dump it. If you had not been in a warehouse for days the air would be blue with fumes,and the vents never worked and it was cold in winter. The company would give us Old Sub Zero green Army Coats to wear in the winter. Way at the back of the Plant were old barns and this was where during WWII the company had kept Steers and gave them the old Mash to eat. The time clock was in the old abandoned Still building and there were two giant Tanks filled with water I was told by a boss that they did that to keep them usable if they ever ran the still again. People who had worked there had put Cat fish and suckers in the tanks and we would throw stuff in to feed them, they were real big! All the light switches in the warehouses were sealed and globes over the Light bulbs because of the fumes being flamible. For a 19 year old Kid this was amazing. There was a sort of tunnel from the boiler room to the still and when I was on the yard crew we ate our lunch there as the break room at the other end was a walk half way through the Plant. The plant had its own cement Highway running through all the way down to the river almost, ending at Mr Bryants Company Home. There were electric poles all the way and power!
Dave Z

jeff
11-28-2006, 16:28
Dave,

Your memories make very interesting reading. Thanks for sharing! :toast:

dave ziegler
11-29-2006, 03:14
Thank you Jeff I will write some more stuff later I have allot of Memories as I started there just out of high school barely 19 years old, so I remember things well from then my Brain is getting old now! I drank my first Bourbon there and had many a bottle gotten out of a whiskey Barrel from the old warehouses. I tried lots of Whiskeys in the old days but still think the Best I ever had was Old Hickory Bourbon they had that one down perfect! Did you ever try Old Hickory? You are most likely to young!
Dave

SBOmarc
11-30-2006, 08:40
As a kid growing up in Philadelphia, crossing the bridge into Jersey and being able to smell the whiskey was something I will not forget.

DrinkyBanjo
11-30-2006, 09:45
What whiskey would that have been?

Joeluka
11-30-2006, 10:12
What whiskey would that have been?


The whiskey being distilled and Publicker Distilleries in Philly. The distillery located on Packer and Delware Ave, right by the Walt Whitman bridge.

This thread might help....http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=978 start at post #24

BourbonJoe
11-30-2006, 14:14
As a kid growing up in Philadelphia, crossing the bridge into Jersey and being able to smell the whiskey was something I will not forget.

Yeah, I remember those days. It was 10 cents to cross the Walt Whitman Bridge and you could smell the whiskey from Old Hickory. Today it's 3 bucks to cross the bridge and all you smell is diesel fuel. Progress.
Joe :usflag:

TNbourbon
11-30-2006, 22:47
Yeah, I remember those days. It was 10 cents to cross the Walt Whitman Bridge and you could smell the whiskey from Old Hickory. Today it's 3 bucks to cross the bridge and all you smell is diesel fuel. Progress.
Joe :usflag:

:lol: Joe, sometimes you quite convince me you're a Renaissance Man.:cool:

doubleblank
12-02-2006, 14:03
With all this talk of Old Hickory, I went and dug out one of my bottles. It is a quart bottle, 10yo at 86 proof. Bottled by Old Hickory Distillers Co, Phila, PA, Lemont, Ill. Distilled in PA. There is also an unusual tax stamp....."U.S. Army/Open Mess". Its a tall retangular bottle. Two photos below. I may have to open this soon, or bring to the Gazebo.

Randy

dave ziegler
12-02-2006, 16:37
Now that is one Good Bottle of Bourbon and if you have it and more you are very Lucky and smart to have got it and kept it! I think it was 1981 the last bottle of it rolled out of the Linfield Bottle house! Continenal Distilling/ Publicker stopped and spent the last couple years Bottling Antifreeze there, closing in I think early 1985! With the Old Hickory brand and Recipe gone forever. I worked there as I said and it was the Best as far as what I think! Thanks for sharing the Pictures, I only have a collection of Empty ones and other brands we made, and if you drink it Enjoy! It is most likely even better now with 25 more years of aging.
Dave Z

dougdog
12-03-2006, 09:38
With all this talk of Old Hickory, I went and dug out one of my bottles. It is a quart bottle, 10yo at 86 proof. Bottled by Old Hickory Distillers Co, Phila, PA, Lemont, Ill. Distilled in PA. There is also an unusual tax stamp....."U.S. Army/Open Mess". Its a tall retangular bottle. Two photos below. I may have to open this soon, or bring to the Gazebo.

Randy

Old hickory is not very plentiful in California dusty corners...these are the only two I've ever found, they are the 8 years old version.

dave ziegler
12-03-2006, 16:19
They are nice Styled bottles do not remember that style but I remember the 8 year old stuff well It was very Smooth I drank a good bit of it working there! Surprisingly they even made a Rye version back in the Late 1930's too! Don't know how long they made that. They sold allot out west had a Distillery in Lemont IL but never found anything out about it,they were bottled were I worked they had a state of art Bottle house back then in Linfield Pa at Kinsey and closed the Bottling house in Phlia in 1965/66.
Dave Z

dougdog
12-04-2006, 11:21
Dave,

First of all I must say thanks for the history you have posted here! Your experiences are great to read about.

I'm now leaning towards a West Coast Study Group theme night for "out of production" vintage bourbons and ryes for a future event.

Because of your input here on this thread, I will have more appreciation for this whiskey when one of these decanters gets opened to sample! History always makes the whiskey taste better...well, maybe...

When I found those two decanters, my Scotch teacher mentioned that was the whiskey they would buy for parties in his school days... He's 70 something

Did they make younger/pricepoint versions back when?

dave ziegler
12-04-2006, 17:04
Yes they made all differant sizes to make it afordable for College people I have a beautiful little Caraf that held one pint of Old Hickory 8 yr and was easy to pour fancy looking and just the right size for someone with little space and a low budget! When I worked there and after I was old enough to buy whatever I wanted I still ended up buying Old Hickory Because it just was one Flavorfull Bourbon, they up untill the last few years always aged all their Whiskeys in small about 30/50 gallon Barrels never really asked how much they held but thought about 50 gal. They were I think Hickory and the Barrel Stays were chared inside and also had strips inside floating to. When you wanted to open one to steal a drink you had to pull the bung and with a wood file you would file a small U on each side then when you put the bung back in be sure to put the Bung cloth back in for filtering it when you poured it or you would get a mouth full of chared wood! By filing and leaving room on the rack you could roll the barrel forward hold your Bottle always had a Pint bottle with me and it would come out just like a Pourer! It was very strong stuff so you had to know what you were doing or you could end up with Neutral sprits instead of Whiskey. I saw guys who could never stop drinking start their mornings with a few shots of Neutral spirts! I always looked for 8 to 10 year stuff it was dated on each barrel with Ink stensils on the Barrel head! When I started there they had the largest supply of aged barrels of Whiskey IN ONE SITE IN THE WORLD! I think I may tell some more memories soon as it seems people enjoy them and getting older and want to keep the History of the Kinsey Plant in Linfield alive when I am gone!
Hope this was helpful and interesting for you!
When you do open one of the Old Hickorys have a shot for Me!
Dave Z

dougdog
12-05-2006, 12:05
When you do open one of the Old Hickorys have a shot for Me!
Dave Z

Dave,

It will most likely be done at study group...we'll all raise a glass to you!

dave ziegler
12-12-2006, 03:10
Doug When you do your Study group ask them about Rittenhouse Rye 100 Proof I have talked to Old timers and they have said it was one Awesome Rye Whiskey! It was another Continental / Publicker Brand but I do not think they were making it much any more when I worked there, but I remember us in the warehouse opening a Barrel of 10 year old Rye the oldtimer had set up to open and we both filled half pint bottles back then around Christmas 1969 and it was out of this world Flavorful! So that may have been stock for it! I have a 1939 Rittenhouse bottle in my collection on my work desk. If I can sometime figuer how to get a picture on here will send one of my Desk has about 18 Whiskey Bottles and 110 old Beer Cans. People in the office come down offten to look! When you crack open that Old hickory I expect it will even better with all the time it has been sealed! Also I am going to do my Part III Memories for Christmas the story of Christmas Eve 1969 the Last day we worked before the Holiday the whole Plant was drunk! Will do that in the next couple of days. Even Security was out of it back then! Hope you have a great Christmas! PS Be sure to let me know how the Old Hickory was when you try it!
Dave Z

dougdog
12-12-2006, 11:05
Doug When you do your Study group ask them about Rittenhouse Rye 100 Proof I have talked to Old timers and they have said it was one Awesome Rye Whiskey! It was another Continental / Publicker Brand but I do not think they were making it much any more when I worked there, but I remember us in the warehouse opening a Barrel of 10 year old Rye the oldtimer had set up to open and we both filled half pint bottles back then around Christmas 1969 and it was out of this world Flavorful! So that may have been stock for it! I have a 1939 Rittenhouse bottle in my collection on my work desk. If I can sometime figuer how to get a picture on here will send one of my Desk has about 18 Whiskey Bottles and 110 old Beer Cans. People in the office come down offten to look! When you crack open that Old hickory I expect it will even better with all the time it has been sealed! Also I am going to do my Part III Memories for Christmas the story of Christmas Eve 1969 the Last day we worked before the Holiday the whole Plant was drunk! Will do that in the next couple of days. Even Security was out of it back then! Hope you have a great Christmas! PS Be sure to let me know how the Old Hickory was when you try it!
Dave Z

Dave, The closest rye to your description I've tasted and found, was a couple little bottles of Old Overholt, I've never found a Rittenhouse or other ryes from the Continental era on store shelves here in California.

One old bottle I found, from Continental, was a "Charter Oak"...a Bourbon...what do you recall about that label?

"When you crack open that Old hickory I expect it will even better with all the time it has been sealed!....you lost me on that one...While the fill level is excellent for a decanter,(or for any bottle that age) I'm not so sure the age in the bottle makes the whiskey any better...rather I hope that time hasn't oxidized it or made it worsen.

There will be tasting notes when "cracked".

dave ziegler
12-13-2006, 03:28
Doug I guess the reason I think it may even be better is what an oldtimer had told me many years ago there, he said if it is out of the light sealed and still air tight and not gotten hot it can even get a a bit better you may well be right, guess your tests will tell a little! Charter Oak was one of Continentals very first brands of Bourbon one of their signature brands that they called their Kentucky Straight Bourbons, it was very good bourbon had some once or twice but never compared it to Old Hickory because I just loved the flavor and body of Old Hickory! Another one of their signature Bourbons was Planters Club Kentucky Straight Bourbon they sold allot of both of them, allot of the Charter Oak in the fifties and more of the Planters club in the 60's. I wish I had a Charter Oak bottle for my collection it is one I have yet to find! If you ever find anything out about Continentals Lemont IL Distillery let me know as even when I worked there it was a mystery to us they never had any pictures the only thing we knew was some of the Bottles had it on them at the bottom on the Labels coming out of the bottling house!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
02-28-2007, 02:57
Dave, The closest rye to your description I've tasted and found, was a couple little bottles of Old Overholt, I've never found a Rittenhouse or other ryes from the Continental era on store shelves here in California.

One old bottle I found, from Continental, was a "Charter Oak"...a Bourbon...what do you recall about that label?

"When you crack open that Old hickory I expect it will even better with all the time it has been sealed!....you lost me on that one...While the fill level is excellent for a decanter,(or for any bottle that age) I'm not so sure the age in the bottle makes the whiskey any better...rather I hope that time hasn't oxidized it or made it worsen.

There will be tasting notes when "cracked". Doug have you cracked open the Old Hickory Yet? Just now trying to buy something I have always wanted for my Collection a Label from Linfield Bourbon. They had stopped making it years before I worked there and I finally have seen a label and I have a very old Cork seal bottle I found sticking out of the ground at the place since it is totally abandon and I also have some original Tax seals I found trashed in the Bottling House so if I get it will make my own Linfield Bourbon Bottle. I was walking down by the river near where old #12 used to be and there the Bottle top was sticking out of the ground so I pulled and it came out perfect and was sealed with a pug of dirt and clean inside so it will be perfect to put with my Publicker/Contiental Collection! So sad to see the place destroyed like it is walked around it in Nov. Still remember when I left even though they had not used old #12 for Many years they still kept heat in it and sprinklers. Well this is modern USA close everything and make everything some where Else. Been very sick for 2 months my voice box is half paralised and have asthma/Broncitus. Missed 16 days from work so have not been writting here. Well when you open the old hickory have 2 shots for me! Be Well Doug
Dave Z

dave ziegler
02-15-2008, 13:57
With all this talk of Old Hickory, I went and dug out one of my bottles. It is a quart bottle, 10yo at 86 proof. Bottled by Old Hickory Distillers Co, Phila, PA, Lemont, Ill. Distilled in PA. There is also an unusual tax stamp....."U.S. Army/Open Mess". Its a tall retangular bottle. Two photos below. I may have to open this soon, or bring to the Gazebo.

Randy
Another answer about your Old Hickory Bottlle, I have found out that Continental Distilling gave allot of Whiskey Ect to the Armed sevices for nothing for the Men. I guy I know of buys allot of Old Hickory stuff when he can to donate to the old timers at the VFW he goes to for the memories! Seems them and I can't remember the other company did this all the time not so for most of them. On my Company List they also have many brands for services only!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
02-18-2008, 03:34
With all this talk of Old Hickory, I went and dug out one of my bottles. It is a quart bottle, 10yo at 86 proof. Bottled by Old Hickory Distillers Co, Phila, PA, Lemont, Ill. Distilled in PA. There is also an unusual tax stamp....."U.S. Army/Open Mess". Its a tall retangular bottle. Two photos below. I may have to open this soon, or bring to the Gazebo.

Randy
Randy Did you ever crack open your Bottle of Old Hickory and if so what do you think about it? For me when it was available and when I worked for them it was my Bourbon of choice it was always very smooth drinking whiskey!
Dave z

dave ziegler
03-07-2008, 07:11
As a kid growing up in Philadelphia, crossing the bridge into Jersey and being able to smell the whiskey was something I will not forget. --Just a quick note when I was 20 years old I got the first paid vacation I ever had from Publicker and I went down to the old Atlantic city it was a neat place then. I will never forget driving over the Walt Whitman Bridge and seeing the large neon lit Sign above the Industrial Publicker still that said it seems the nicest people Drink old Hickory! As I drove over I remember how Proud I was that I worked for such a great company! It seems so long ago but I will always be proud to have worked For the Continental Distillery and Proud of its efforts during WWII for our country!
dave z

dave ziegler
03-08-2008, 04:11
Old hickory is not very plentiful in California dusty corners...these are the only two I've ever found, they are the 8 years old version.
Hey Randy if you decide to drink the old hickory up I would love to have one of the empty bottles and its box as I do not have that one in my collection even though I have hundreds of bottles. Let me know sometime and Be Well. Would gladly pay you something for the empty Bottle & Box
Dave Z

mozilla
03-16-2008, 16:29
Here are some other great shots of Publicker items:

dave ziegler
03-18-2008, 06:58
Here are some other great shots of Publicker items: The shots are----also Many Thanks to Jeff for posting these for me for History Sake
1.My Corn Whiskey Barrel head
2.My Malt Mash Barrel head that found in the field and had repaired by a wood caftmans dated 1967 I had worked there a year and was 20 yrs old
3.my 1960 Old Hickory Eagle Bottle
4.& 5. The front and back of my friends Linfield Bourbon Bottle wish I had one if anyone seeing this has one to sell let me know
6.Large Stand up panel Bottle Old Hickory Ad for state stores
7.Original Frank Reilly art picture on ink plate in reverse so it can print the Colonial ad for Phila blended Whiskey solid Brass mounted on wood
8.Signs from Building P warehouse DSP#12
9.List of Glassware for sale when they quit making drinking Alcohol differant Bottles and amounts of them
10.Coopers Hammer & Coopers Hand Sledge
11.Explosion proof Switch and power in building Light Building Q

One note If anyone finds a Linfield Bourbon Bottle I would love to buy it as It is one I want for my Collection very Much having Worked there at Kinsey In Linfield
Dave

jinenjo
04-09-2008, 09:58
Dave,

Thanks for the stardust memories.

I've just been reading your posts, and having grown up in south Jersey--much later, however--I find your thoughts and anecdotes to be quite enjoyable. I hope someone on this site has given you a taste, or at least an empty bottle, of the Old Hickory you so fondly remember. If I ever come across one, I'll let you know!

-Lear

dave ziegler
04-10-2008, 04:58
Yes I was lucky enought to Have Kurt give me his last full bottle of Old Hickory, It was one that sold to Medely when they quit and they stamped over Linfield and put KY on the label. It is as smooth as the first day I drank it and I hope some day to get a spare one and Maybe a Bottle of the very first Whiskey I ever drank there Rittenhouse Rye they Make it now at Heaven Hills but to Me the old Continental stuff was much better. Who knows there may be someone out there just getting ready to give me one. It was a joy to have a shot of the old Hickory after all those years. I have just written a thread about when the #12 Still shut down and contary to what some people on the world wide Web say Continental ran it till 1951 making all there bourbons there and Kinsey Blended and Rittenhouse Rye I called an oldtimer almost 90 yrs old that worked there from 1936 till 1980 and he told me flat out it ran till 1951! I will continue to write all I can I had not written for awhile as my old Dog Nikki my best friend died 2 1/2 weeks ago and Jeff made a thread to remember Nikki with Pictures I had sent him on off topic. He was a very wonderful Dog!
Dave

jinenjo
04-10-2008, 18:55
Glad to hear you got to taste the "dew" again after all these years.

It sounds like you have a book in you, Dave, waiting to come out!

As for your "best friend", I send my deepest condolences. I wish you the best during your process of mourning your beloved dog.

-Lear

bbo40
04-12-2008, 10:42
Hello Dave;
Thank you for posting all of your memories of the distillery. I have read most of them and find them to be very informative and entertaining. I have have always been fascinated by Kinsey's since the day back in the late 1980's when I went for a hike back thru the game lands and stumbled acrosst the farmhouse and barn in the back and then the road leading up to the backside of the industrial complex. I never knew the place was so big! Over the years I have returned several times to do more hiking and exploring; and have taken a few pictures myself. But the history and functions of the distillery were always hard to come by, your writings have really open up how the place operated in its prime and your pictures explained to me how the place functioned. I have been in some of those same building over the years but never really knew what I was looking at. Thanks again for all the information that you have provided. I was just back there with 2 friends on Palm sunday of this year and the old farm house is all but fallen in and the old barn looks like it has been pushed down. If you have the time, could you fill me in on a brief history of the old Kinsey Farmhouse and when it was last lived in. Thank you again
bob N.
p.s. if you have high-speed internet there is a website called pennpilot.org [run thru Penn University I think] and you can find aireal photos of the linefield area from 1942 and 1971 in their archives. The site is a little difficult to navigate but utterly facinating once you get the hang of it. Just thought I would let you know.

dave ziegler
04-13-2008, 10:03
Hello Dave;
Thank you for posting all of your memories of the distillery. I have read most of them and find them to be very informative and entertaining. I have have always been fascinated by Kinsey's since the day back in the late 1980's when I went for a hike back thru the game lands and stumbled acrosst the farmhouse and barn in the back and then the road leading up to the backside of the industrial complex. I never knew the place was so big! Over the years I have returned several times to do more hiking and exploring; and have taken a few pictures myself. But the history and functions of the distillery were always hard to come by, your writings have really open up how the place operated in its prime and your pictures explained to me how the place functioned. I have been in some of those same building over the years but never really knew what I was looking at. Thanks again for all the information that you have provided. I was just back there with 2 friends on Palm sunday of this year and the old farm house is all but fallen in and the old barn looks like it has been pushed down. If you have the time, could you fill me in on a brief history of the old Kinsey Farmhouse and when it was last lived in. Thank you again
bob N.
p.s. if you have high-speed internet there is a website called pennpilot.org [run thru Penn University I think] and you can find aireal photos of the linefield area from 1942 and 1971 in their archives. The site is a little difficult to navigate but utterly facinating once you get the hang of it. Just thought I would let you know.
Hi Bob glad you are interested, the House was built in two parts the frist in 1731 the second half in 1799 by William Evans a son of the original founders of Limerick Pa. The original track of land when Jacob Kinsey bought it was 300 acres. He lived there from 1891 till he sold the plant at owed money Auction in late 1939 / 1940 to Continental Distilling a part of the Publicker Industries Corp. Kinesy built all the front buildings and the other warehouses, the Explosion proof one's all 14 were built from information from a man I know who worked there from 1936 till 1980 around 1944 after they got all the Fire Hydrents you saw between them put in. They when built were the Most high tech whiskey storage aging warehouses of their time. When Continental bought the place they bought 200 acre plus all three Comapny homes the two out front and the Kinsey House by the river. In 1966 William Theodois lived there and was the Plant superintendent He died just around when I was hired of a heart attack at 39 years old. They then Hired Thomas Holman Bryant who worked for Doughertys in 1963 when they bought Dougherty's Distilling in phila in a silent auction. He and Mr Ed Zuca shared the home by the river it was made into two apartments up stairs Mr Bryant and down for Mr Zucca and they moved up from Phila because they had just opened the New Bottling house there and closed the Phila one. Mr Bryant lived there till 1977 when He retired and I am not sure how long after that Ed Zucca lived there but from what I know someone lived in it till early 1980's it had had a brand new roof put on in the late 1970's before the ground was sold to Eugene Ostreicher in 1982 of New York City and Publicker leased the bottling house and tankage and front buildings bottling Antifreeze and other products till 1986 spring when they were gone forever. Ostreicher still owns it and is the one who has left it get destroyed. He charged way more then what he promissed when they leased it and everything just became too much for Publicker they relised to late they should have kept it. A sad story to read and harder for me as I kept the grounds around that house and they were Perfect Mr Bryant even had a swiming pool in the back. Somewhere behind the house toward the river is a marker telling about the very first Post office in Limerick that sat there along the river and that George Washington had been there to send mail. Publicker had put the marker up to honor the spot for history either kids stole it or it is in the bushes somewhere I tried to find it to get pictures but could not. So is the story of the House at the Neck which is what it was called before Jacob Kinsey Bought it in 1891. Hope this helps you understand the place better everything was amazingly in good shape when Publicker was there till 1976 when Mr Sy Neuman died then things started downward for good. He was an amazing leader of Men it has been said and visionary who's idea's back then are used as normal today it was his idea to tear apart the old Bourbon barrels send them to Scotland to be filled with scotch and Publicker was the first to ask the Govermant permission to do this! THE REASON kINSEY ENDED UP OUT OF BUSSINESS IS proabition caused the Plant to sit unused from 1922 till it ended fall of 1933. So that is how it was.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-15-2008, 09:52
Last night when I spoke to Mr Al Landis the great Nephew of Jacob Kinsey while giving my Talk about the Distillery He told me about when the Place reopened in fall of 1933. Mr Kinsey came to their home and said to him I want you to work for me at my Distillery, He had never done anything like it and did not know then that he would roll the first Whiskey barrel to be dumped there after Prohibition to the trough and dump it to be bottled! Finding these things out for History is exciting to me and He said those were exciting days there, they started by distilling and filling all the Warehouses 20,000 barrels each there at the time when filled then building some More warehouses. Mr Kinsey was then 75 so to those on the web that Think he was not active I can say He was working there till late 1939 / 1940 when it went the Sheriffs sale. And Mr Kinsey Lived to be 94 years old and the Plant when Publicker Closed had been there operating for 94 Years! He died in 1952 and that is why in the Ads they called him America's oldest Living Distiller.
Dave Z

bbo40
04-16-2008, 18:35
Thanks Dave for the story on the old Kinsey farmhouse. It did look like it was in pretty good shape when I first came acrosst it all those years ago back in the late 1980's. I guess at that point it had only been empty for a few years. If I get to it before the nice weather comes I will have to go thru my pictures of the distillary and see if I can post them on this site. If you have highspeed internet I posted a few videos that I took this past Palm Sunday Youtube.com . Just put in 'bbo40' and it should link you to my channel. I took short videos of the farmhouse, barn and the back part of the distillary. thanks again for all the information you have provided and if you have anymore stories I am sure that we all are interested in hearing them. I just found out this weekend that my great uncle used to work at the distillary, his name was Alex "Sonny" Bartha. Not sure when or how long he was there, but my dad thinks it was for quite a few years from what he remembers; thru the 50's and 60's.
till next time, Bob
p.s. I forgot to ask, how did the talk go on Monday night? hope it went well for you and I wish I could have been there

dave ziegler
04-21-2008, 05:08
Hi Bob the talk went real good and People seemed to enjoy it. Also I met Jacob G Kinsey's great Nephew Al there and he said all my history of Mr Kinsey was right on the money! I had all my pictures and some bottles and stuff there and the Chart I made of the Plant which I gave to the Historic Society. If you ever get in Limerick from 1:00 Pm till 4:00 Pm on a sunday they are open and have many bottles I have given them and other stuff for History. MR Kinsey's great Nephew dumped the first Barrel that came of age at the Plant after they started up when Prohibition ended. They had a bottle line in the old #10 Rye Building then and the still in there was a column still or Continuous still type! Mr Kinsey was there till the place was sold at auction to Continental in late 1939 / 1940 he was then going on 82 years old. When he reopened after Prohibition he was then 75 years old most people at that age today give up! Take care and keep in touch.
Dave

bneuman
04-24-2008, 20:36
Hey Dave - thanks for working so hard to keep the history alive. I'm actually Si Neuman's grandson and having never been in the plants or been a part of the whiskey operation, its great to get a feel for what it was like back then!

dave ziegler
04-25-2008, 10:32
B. Neuman First let me say I am very happy to keep the History going of one of the greatest Company's Publicker / Continental Distilling and your Grandfather Si Neuman. Publicker Industries was one of the most prolific companys ever and Mr Simon Neuman was a Born Leader of Men and his idea's back then were new and unhread of but today those idea's are common practice. He was a Giant among Company Chairman and when he did something He always did it big and Very fast. That was one of the important reasons for His great success he did not sit around thinking should I or not he got it done. Whenever he would come up to ride around the plant there was a feeling of Security. Him being there spoke of the Place going on. When he died everyone felt like things were just going down for good. His ideas such as getting the Government to let them ship whiskey barrels to Scotland to be refilled with scotch and make a better product have continued to this day. He decided to build Stills in Scotland and did it quickly and in a very big way. Inver House became the toast of the world one of the all time most famous of Scotchs. The Quality of the Whiskeys, Ryes and Industrial Alcohols came from His leadership. And the whole time 5,000 world wide Employees had good paying jobs and happy lives due to his Leadership. At Kinsey in those days we had 600 people with great good paying jobs in a clean Park like plant. We would always do our best to keep the plant looking good and we had a feeling of Pride in the Plant. Who could ever forget the beginning of it all, them in 1933 sitting down after Probitiion picking product names many for the City he loved such as Philadelphia Blended Whiskey, Cobbs creek Whiskey, Rittenhouse Rye the very Best Rye whiskey of its time. And Inver House Scotch in the 1960's named for his beautiful Home. I will always be proud to have worked there for a company that was in its time the best of the Best! And He will always be remebered as A Giant in the Industry. And a Great Man!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-01-2008, 04:27
This morning my Mind is going back to Slogans for Whiskey long ago. Publicker had some real Neat ones my Favorite was on the Neon going over the Waltwhitman Bridge on the stack it said " Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon" another was "It Seems all the nicest People drink Old Hickory" Then there was Inver House " Soft as A Kiss" " Inver's In London" and other places. And " Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey" just to name a few.
The Others all had them too such as Kessler smooth as Silk. Those were the Good Old days!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-01-2008, 10:28
This morning my Mind is going back to Slogans for Whiskey long ago. Publicker had some real Neat ones my Favorite was on the Neon going over the Waltwhitman Bridge on the stack it said " Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon" another was "It Seems all the nicest People drink Old Hickory" Then there was Inver House " Soft as A Kiss" " Inver's In London" and other places. And " Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey" just to name a few.
The Others all had them too such as Kessler smooth as Silk. Those were the Good Old days!
Dave Z
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Another Slogan was Philadelphia Blended "The Heritage Whiskey"
Publicker had many things for advertising those days everything from Rulers with the Price of Haller's SRS to Old Hickory Cig Lighters. Governors club Ice trays Clocks I have a Haller's County Fair covered wagon with a 1/10TH BOTTLE IN IT. Marketing is everything and it worked for them in the good days. Of all the Blends they had, Philadelphia was a classic Whiskey Blend and one of their biggest sellers. On the top of all the Skol Vodka Cases it states just stay Skol instead of Vodka. And they even had a blend of only Straight whiskeys called Old Classic I never had any but have a bottle stating a blend of many Premium Straight whiskeys 7 years & 8 years old.
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OscarV
05-01-2008, 15:19
Funny coincedance, I just finished a book by Richard Stark "Killtown" original copyright 1964.

And I quote,..."Parker found the kitchen, found a bottle of Philadelphia and a glass and a tray of ice cubes,..."

I did a search and it looks like Heaven Hill has the name now.

dave ziegler
05-02-2008, 03:09
You are right Heaven Hills has the Philadelphia Label and it still sells good except this state where you have to special order it as they need all the room they can for good old Wine! They also have Guckenheimer which they got from Continental as they had that label at the end also. And of course The Rittenhouse Rye Brand good stuff but can't get it in Pa. Its funny you saw that as a friend was watching an old early 1970's Movie the other day and in it a Lady offered a drink to the other person she offered 3 things but he siad the first one was Amareto Lolita which is what they took. It was a big seller for Continental and was bottled in the old Kinsey Bottle house out front. I do not have any of that but I do have half a bottle of Cafe Lolita and lots of My Favorite Peanut Lolita a wonderful Bourbon and Peanut Liquor! No one other then Continental ever made that. I have ever seen. I hope some day for some other former Continental / Publicker People to see these writting and give some insight. There should be some around yet. Philadelphia Blended was always my favorite Blended whiskey I hope Heaven Hills does a good job on it as they have with Rittenhouse Rye which I was able to get from Binneys.
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dave ziegler
05-06-2008, 09:51
I have been thinking about all the Idea's great brands and good people that worked for Publicker and it is such a shame for it to be gone! When I worked at Kinsey we never worried about having a job as long as we did it right. There was a feeling of Safey when Mr Neuman was Living and hope of new idea's in the works. From the day he took over as Chairman his ideas were always big and do them fast, he was not one to sit and wait to see how the winds would go. He believed that if you have a great Idea you should put it to work ASAP! And That is why He led the company to greatness. Be it using whiskey Barrels for Scotch or Making Blended Whiskey a better product he never stopped his process of Idea's. And at the same time He had great pride in the Kinsey Plant and keeping it beautiful. When he was running the Company Kinsey was the showcase of the company through his leader ship we had beautiful Lawns well kept Company Homes flower beds, and many beautiful trees! We also had to keep the plant very clean and we were told never put anything in the river or the ground protect our water! We had high end fire frighting equipment and all the things we needed to get things done. Quality Control was their biggest thing those days they had 4 Quality Labs and if you bought a bottle of Old Hickory one week and went back six months later the Quality was always consistent. Our Whiskeys were right in with the Best Of the best even the cheaper ones were very good value for the price. Also The Company was very Proud under Mr Neuman to be an American company and very much for our country! They donated many bottles of Whiskey to the Army, Navy and Marines! I am very Happy to be able to speak of the greatest Industrial and Drinking Alcohol maker in history in my eye's and was very lucky to work for such a company! I learned how to work hard there and the joy of being a part of a great company. I found Many notes from people who were very sad to find out they were closing one Lady said I do not know what I will do without my Phila Blended Whiskey, a state store in Ohio asked if they had any more caffe Lolita they could send. During the Marshel Plan in 1944 Publicker donated many rail cars of Grain at Kinsey to save lives they gave it and asked for nothing in return! This is the reason i try my best to keep history alive for Publicker / Continental Distilling my tribute to an amazing Company started by Harry Publicker and driven to greatness by Si Neuman!
Dave Z
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Gillman
05-06-2008, 10:13
Well put, Dave. In my career I have often seen big things happen when one person has the drive, determination and ability to make them happen. Nothing of any significance can occur without a dedicated team at all levels of an organisation, but you need one person's drive and constant attention (also, vision) to keep the whole thing moving and growing (think of what Jim does for SB, same kind of thing).

Gary

dave ziegler
05-06-2008, 10:36
How right you are Gary That one person brings out the very best in the rest of the team and gets things done that seem impossiable. Real Leadership comes from one person willing to try something and having the abilty to get others on board to believe as a team with success as the end game and no thought of not trying or fear! By the way I meant to ask you if you ever in the old days tried Continentals Embassy Club Canadian Whiskey as I have been told by some old timers that it was very good and having not drank it or many of those whiskeys have no Idea and your imput is always good!
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Gillman
05-06-2008, 12:41
I don't recall that particular brand, Dave. In Canada, in the past, and partly because of various Provincial restrictions, there tended to be sold brands made only in the Province or associated to a distillery headquartered there. I grew up in Montreal and so we were Seagram's people, i.e., we bought the whiskies made by the Bronfman family who owned Seagram's then. It was a point of pride, I recall, to drink Crown Royal, but also Seagram V.O. Some families however supported Schenley products, and this often would have been because a member of the family worked there or was connected somehow to the Schenley business in Valleyfield, Quebec (it is now owned by Barton).

I do not recall much Canadian Club being drunk in Montreal then, probably a lot was, but that was an Ontario brand, not a local brand. And very few people (that I or my family knew) drank Scotch. My grandfather did occasionally take a drink of Black and White, but generally our crowd drank "rye" and that almost always meant Crown Royal or more commonly VO or 5 Star. It was consumed with ginger ale, cola and on the rocks, even neat sometimes.

Second to "rye" in popularity then was gin. London dry gin was huge. Not Martinis, but rather gin and tonic.

Gary

PhilsFan
05-06-2008, 17:52
Dave, That's fascinating stuff...Did you ever think about writing a book? It certainly sounds like you have plenty of material.

My Mom now lives in Lancaster and my Wife and I visit every July for a week. Do you ever do tours of the Kinsey distillery, or is it not in shape for that?

-Joe

dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 05:10
Joe if you ever want to take a walk around I will take you I live only 4 miles from it. We have to go in by way of the back near the river as it is abandon and the still is gone but i love to show people stuff and even though the buldings are locked we can walk around and take pictures and I can tell you what every Building was and did! Also the old dSP#10 Rye building a barn is still standing and it is pure history with its Stair case with Kinsey #10 Stenceled on it. There is the old Kinsey Bottle house which was used till 1979 for Liquors and the old Wood and Brick warehouses are still standing too. Walking through there is like a walk in a park and when it was operating it looked like a park. You will see Deer Pheasants birds and cool Breezes from the river. I always loved the Place on the hottest days we wore Winter coats in the Warehouses! I can still smell the wiskey and times when the doors were broken open and you went in You could still smell it coming from the cement floors where it has soaked in!
BE WELL Joe
Dave
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PhilsFan
05-07-2008, 06:26
Joe if you ever want to take a walk around I will take you I live only 4 miles from it. BE WELL Joe
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Dave, Thanks...I'd reallly like to take you up on that... As we get closer to the time (it'll be somewhere around July 5th) I'll send you a PM for more info. Thanks again, Joe

dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 07:13
Joe it would be Pleasure and a good walk to about a mile in and out 14 Explosion proof buildings. And so many things and Buildings it will give you much history of distilling in Pa and the Vision of Si Neuman and Publicker Industries! The steel Racks in the 14 explosion proof buildings were so strong when they decided the stack big barrels they had to use a Welding Rod Cutting torch to cut them to take them out I was there hauling them down to the old steer pens then on the yard gang. You will be amazed at the size of the two big storage tanks even bigger then they look on my Pictures on my threads! Let me Know I love visiting the old girl but not by myself do not want to be out in such a big abandon place by myself at my age 60 any more. I do not think there was any Distillery as beautiful as Kinsey was! It was like being in a beautiful Park!
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dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 07:28
One last thing It was the safest Distillery & Bottling Plant in the USA those days. Fire drill's every month I have papers from the 1950's when My Dad worked there about the monthly Fire drills and they always started near the old Brick and wood Warehouses. We had lots of Water supply and our own Fire truck and the Local Fire company Linfield Fire Company would come once a month for the drills! It was a Place built with Vision and good old Amecican Ingenutiy!
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dave ziegler
05-08-2008, 05:05
I wish everyone on this Site could have seen the Plant in those days it was a very Beautiful place and a well run Operation. Publicker not only had this bottle house but one in Lemont IL and a Chemical plant in La and the giant plant in Phila with two stills and a Industrial Bottling house they made Toline, Antifreeze, Fuscol Oil, products to be used in Detergents and much more also 4 Lab's and a Coopering Plant. Those days were amazing and I have never met anyone that was not proud they worked for Publicker and its Affiliates.
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BourbonJoe
05-11-2008, 08:09
I met Dave Ziegler this morning for coffee. What a great guy. I learned a lot more about Kinsey, Continental etc. He is a wealth of knowledge. I presented him with a nearly full 1.75 of Philadelphia Whiskey from Continental. He gave me some old Publicker brochures and labels. It is always nice to meet up with SB.com people.
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
05-11-2008, 16:22
Thank You Joe you are a very Good Guy also and I was very glad to meet you and I just had shot of the Phila blended and just like the Old days is a very nice drink for a Blended Wiskey! I enjoyed talking about Kinsey so much I took a walk there this afternoon and went in the Bottle house got some more pictures in there but most everything is sealed and sadly there are two guys that live right arcoss from it that tell everyone including the police they watch it for the owner while they steal all they can they are cutting up all the giant cast Pipes that ran to the Fire tower to sell and it makes me sick. This is what people do that do not understand History or its importance. I am happy for all the stuff I have saved for History and glad it will go on after me! Thanks Again Joe you're a great Guy and Be Well!
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dave ziegler
05-12-2008, 06:46
There will be a couple of Pictures I took Sat in old Building G & F Warehouse 1933 some time soon I sent Jeff the pictures of the Wooden rack and there is one showing the Sprinker Head built in there. Also he will be putting a few more shots on the 1966 Bottle House Thread I took on Sunday one shows a Antifreeze bottle that was heading down to be filled and never got that far still sticking in the line. I will continue to try and get Pictures as I can to save the History of Kinsey Distillery which Operated for 94 Years and was an amazing Place during the Days it was owned by Continental Distilling under Chairman Si Neuman! I was very Happy to be able to talk to Bourbon Joe on Sunday and tell Him some stuff about Publicker & Kinsey and Mr Si Neuman. When I go there I can imagine how it was working there even though it is long closed in my Mind I can picture everything operating back then in 1966 as a 19 yr old Kid fresh out of School. Many Thanks again to Bourbon Joe for the Bottle Of Philadelphia Blended had a shot Sunday Night!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-13-2008, 10:55
Here are the Pictures of The Continental Bottle House I took this weekend.

dave ziegler
05-13-2008, 12:30
Here are some pictures I took this weekend in the old 1966 Contiental Bottling House. Note on Picture number 1 the Antifreeze Bottle on the line that never made it to be filled shut down and never started again! Picture 2 a line coming down. Picture 3 there is a Platform that has about 5 or 6 Sainless tanks one labeled Rubbing Alcohol.
There are two more Pictures I want to get on soon.
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dave ziegler
05-13-2008, 18:55
Walking through the 1966 Bottling house and seeing it the way it is was heart breaking for me it was so modern when I went to work for Kinsey the day it opened in 1966. They had every modern thing possible and they could out bottle just about any other Distiller back then we were all very Proud to work for Continental and to work at such a beautiful plant and it was so Historic I do not think any of Us ever thought It would end up abandon. But once Mr Neuman died it was all down hill and within 10 years was no more! I often wish I could just go back for one day to it as it was to see the 1941 Ford Flat trucks roaring back and forth from the warehouses hauling barrels full of good Whiskey to be dumped and sent to the bottle house to make the wonderful Products we did. When I worked there I felt our whiskeys were the best, I never thought about Buying others, They never said anything but we all were so proud we just went out and bought their products it was a proud feeling to walk into a State store get a Bottle of Old Hickory Look the clerk in the face and say I work for them!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 04:28
Here are some more Pictures taken about three months ago of some of the Old Singer Bottle Machines that are sitting in Building O which when I worked there was the Government Building. These turned out fairly good as there is light coming in through the windows, it is the only one of the 14 Explosion Proof Warehouses to have windows bacause of it being the Government Building!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 05:03
Another one of the Singer Bottle Machines sitting here these were not sold after the auction and Abandon in Building O.
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 06:03
Here is a Picture last guy on the right of Gus Nirohos who was a major League Player for the New York Yankees. After he retired he managed Minor league teams in the Summer and worked at Kinsey as a Company Man in the Winter he was a very cool guy and a good friend to me as a 19 yr old Kid.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 06:06
Messed up and did not get the Picture in, Here is Gus with his team mates last one on the right. Gus was really a character when He worked there and used to speed shift the old Plymouth he drove around the Plant, He always had a clean Pint bottle with him for medical reasons he would say and talk about Baseball of course. We talked about the teams he managed in the summer He managed New Port News Minor League in Va. He was always chewing Tobacco, And always playing Jokes on the Mantaince Man Dickie Pheifer. And he loved shooting dice at break. Every Friday we would pile in his car and drive to Spring City to get a beer. he was a good boss and always made sure we got our work done every day. We did not mind as it was fun working there hard work but a fun job and a great Product and a feeling of Pride in working there. And it was a thrill to have a boss who was a former Major League Baseball Player. One time I said Gus why didn't you get to play more on the Yankees. He said Zig when Yogie Beara is number one and Eliston Howard number two you are not going to Play!
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 09:58
One last shot coming from the front part of the Plant looking ahead is building O and then to the right and a long walk past more buildings to the back. Everytime we moved to a different warehouse to rack or dump barrels we would ride on one of the Flat trucks as would take too long to walk.
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dave ziegler
05-16-2008, 09:20
Here are some Continental ads and Promo's the Inver House one is one I bought a few years ago I have it set to may. Nice Kinsey Gold ad and Charter Oak Bourbon.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-16-2008, 09:31
Here is another Promo I got a long time ago wagon with mini 1/10 Haller's County Fair Bourbon.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-17-2008, 16:59
Just got done siping a shot of 1965 Kinsey Silver Blended 86.6 given to me by my old friend Ludy. He is 90 yrs old and I went to visit him today to borrow a picture of the Plant taken from the air in the second year he worked there 1937 for Mr Kinsey. It is a wonderful aerial shot and you can see they are just building Warehouse H Wood and Brick it is only half done in the picture. I am going to get it on my work computer Monday and post it. In the picture only some of the old buildings are there including Old #12 which I am going to crop one of the copies to show a closeup of the still! There are gardens beside the still and flower beds I have never seen this picture the place looks like a farm and I am most happy to get a copy for myself and for our historic Society and to post on the SB. Before I left he told me to take an unopened 4/5 Pint of Kinsey Silver 86.6 Proof home with me as he can't drink anymore I have just cracked it open and had a shot and ?
The Kinsey Silver turned out to be way better then I ever thought it would a very smooth but not weak Blended Whiskey the bottle will not go in my collection till it is empty.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-19-2008, 06:16
Here is the copy I made from The Original Picture of Kinsey in 1937 and a croped version of it to show the #12 Still better, note in the Picture they are Building the Last of the Wood and Brick warehouses building Warehouse H. Also I have included a Picture of the back of the Boiler room with stack, Back of the still and another Picture of the Pink Mack B-61 that used to sit there after it was abandon. And finnaly two pictures of the old Kinsey Barn next to the Kinsey house near the river with the old Sinclair Pump used back in my days also, I had posted a picture of the Sinclair pump out front near the old Bottle house before, it is still there someone stole this one and the Barn fell down since these pictures, the barn when I took these had distillery Equipment sitting up on the top floor. One more thing note at that time before Continental bought the Place there was no rail lines and no company owned Bridge bringing them in that came after Continental bought Kinsey Late 1939/ 1940. Also if you look close at the Plant pictures you can see the words Kinsey on the Tank on top of the Still!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-20-2008, 03:30
Speaking to the Historic Society on Sunday when I gave them a copy of this picture # 1 they said this is the rarest picture of Kinsey they have ever seen. If you look to the left there is a field of what looks like Corn, also a garden next to the house. At that time a Man by the name Scher lived in that house he rented it from Jacob Kinsey. Also note across from warehouse H which is being built there is a Orchard where the 1944 Continental Building U later big Bottling house stands now. At this time the place was 300 acre's Mr Kinsey Lived down near the River. If you walk down through the Game Lands into the woods you can see on each side of the woods are special Trees all placed a certain distance apart this was a carridge Road to Kinsey's home way back if you walked there not knowing you would wonder why in the middle of the woods are trees on each side the same type and in two lines going down through. Also no rail bridge coming in and the road is very small and .the trees are not as big along the river. I am very Happy that Ludy let me copy this to preserve Kinsey's History. Also this picture shows the grain building and if you look close the tank on top of #12 reads Kinsey. You can also see the Boiler room stack the same but larger Boiler room that was there when I worked there. We had our time clock in the Still building out in the front. We would stand there and throw bread to the Fish that were in the mash tanks I have many fond memories of that, the fish were huge. I spent many a day up stairs sweeping I loved walking around exploring the Old Still!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-20-2008, 04:44
Here is a Picture of an old Advertising post card for Kinsey / Angelo Myers Distillery, if you walk in the woods on the left side facing Limerick near the game lands the Old Fence still stands in most places and some of the Hundred year old Boards are still in it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-20-2008, 04:54
Also if you look at the 1937 Picture of Kinsey the buildings on the right by the river are-from the road back Warehouses E, D,B and A. the Old Kinsey Bottle House beside the Warehouses which was actualy the second one as Ludy told me as Mr Kinsey's great Nephew did that they Bottled at first right in the Kinsey #10 Still Rye building which is just behind the bottle House. And behind Buildiing H going up are warehouses F & G back of it.
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dave ziegler
05-21-2008, 03:39
I remember how very busy we were when I started at Kinsey they were Hiring people every week and the possibilities were amazing then. We had 600 people in the Plant two shifts in the bottle house and day shift in the plant where I worked the yard gang the first two yrs. We spent most days in the summer just caring for the Lawns, trees, and flower beds. Also I would get the job of sweeping up the floors in the buildings not used anymore like the #12 Still which housed our Time clock. Everyone of the old Buildings was kept clean did not matter if it would ever be used Again that was Publickers Policy. It was fasinatiing sweeping in the old Still I always offered to sweep in it, when I would go upstairs I would check out all the old controls. The old Honeywell chart panel with disc's in it from early 1950's marked for the next day to run which never came. I wonder what the last batch of Whiskey was run that day in 1951? Between the Old #10 Still building a barn, warehouse d & e and the old Bottle house is a set of tracks too roll filled whiskey barrels right to the warehouse from filling them in #10. Evertime I go back I see something that brings back great memories for me. Also much sadness seeing it all sitting and rotting. In my mind I can see the Box cars lined up in front of the new Bottle house fall 1966 being loaded with lots of cheer for the Holidays. We would be very busy from Sept till late Dec every year. It is such a shame that such an amazing company no longer exsists. I will always be thankful for my chance to work for Publicker Ind under Mr Neuman he was a great man and the company was an awesome place to work with great Whiskeys and Industrial Products!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-22-2008, 10:41
After Much searching I have found a picture of a Gus Niarhos Baseball card when He later Played for the Boston Red Sox. I have one of Gus's cards but can't find it. Gus was a great guy and came to Kinsey every Winter to be a company Man when I worked there and boy did he have the Stories and he could throw a mean dice game! Many fridays a bunch of us would jump in Gus's car and go to Spring City to an Irish bar to get a beer! He would always say to me Zig if Yogie bera is the #1 Catcher and Elston Howard the #2 you can bet you will get splinters in your butt sitting on the bench! Gus Played for The Yankee's & The Boston red Sox. I will always have fond memories of Gus. When he was not playing or Managing Minor League Base Ball he Lived in Phoenixville Pa.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-24-2008, 19:42
Here are some pictures from April when I gave my talk about Kinsey Distillery and Publicker Ind.The first picture is me with Al Landis 90 yrs old the great nephew of Jacob G Kinsey, Pic 2 is some of the stuff I took to show. Picture 3 is me and Al Landis holding an original artist's picture of Kinsey. #4 & 5 are of my 1914 distilled 1919 shipped Kinsey rye whiskey wooden Wiskey case with Kinsey on one side and Angelo Myers on the other plus a old tax stamp of some sort. Pic# 6 is me talking and showing an Old Hickory Decanter, and the last picture is me with my bottles. It was alot of fun and they took these pictures and sent them to me and a very nice letter saying the people really enjoyed the history I told them. It is always fun for me to talk about the Distillery and what a great place to work it was those were very good days for me and the other 599 people that worked there! At the end of the night I gave Al Landis a Red Crown Scotch bottle, Kinsey Bottle House did Gin,Scotch,Bourbon,Vodka,Blended Whiskey and Rum for A&P stores under the Label Red Crown Distillers Linfield Pa. Al Landis dumped the first barrel to be dumped at Kinsey Distillery after Prohibition Ended.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-25-2008, 10:11
This picture is one of exactly the type of old Ford Truck we used at the plant back in 1966 to haul barrels from warehouse to warehuse for dumping or racking in another one! 1941 Ford Flat Head V8 4 speeds painted Flat Red! They actualy ran real good but were window less no windshield Wipers and later no doors!
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dave ziegler
05-28-2008, 03:49
Here are a few more of my Pictures through the years of The Kinsey Distillery. It is sad to see it like this. When I worked there everything was kept as perfect as possible. Picture #1 is in the old Kinsey Bottle house of the Cathionic & Anitonic Tanks #2 An old Ford Truck with Continental Distilling on the door. #3 The Grain buildings out front 1892. #4 An Old Company Generator that was taken out of storage by a company that said they were going to fix the place a few years ago all they did was steal Metal and leave this out for the Kids to destroy, such a shame it still worked till then!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-30-2008, 04:57
Here are some more of my Pictures of the Kinsey Plannt from years past! Hard to believe it sits like this but we live in a different World! Picture #3 is of the side of the 1966 Bottling house shows how really Large it was, Pic #1&4 are the Kinsey #10 Rye Still Building DSP#10. Pic #2 Looking up throught the warehouses,Pic #5 H building the one on the old picture they were building the last of the old Warehouse type. Pic #7 the second floor of the old Bottle house Pic #6 One of the Explosion proof warehouse,and Pic #8 another shot looking at some of the warehouses!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-30-2008, 10:41
Just a few more shot of the Old Plant I love so much!
1. Warehouse H with water tower in front of it.
2.Back of Building O the Government Building
3. Side shot of Warehouse H built in 1937 it was the last of the early pre Continental Distilling Warehouses and on the 1937 Picture on this web is being built. Note behind it sits the double warehouse of Building G&F you can see the back sticking out on the left side. These warehouses only had one way in and one way out. and to go up you climbed a Wooden Ladder or took the old time frieght Elevator.
4.The Gauges on the old Generater which are noe all broken out by Kids, a very sad thiong that it sat safe for so many years till 2000 when the out fit in there then brought it out to use then let it to be destroyed.
I will continenue to try to get shots of the plant to show how things worked there also of the 14 Explosion proof Warehouses all but one have a letter for a name the very last one going to the Steer Pens id Building #38 Ludt said there was a special reason back then but can't quite remember what it was, although he thinks as has to do with the weigh and store house #38 accross from it.
Dave Z
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Luna56
05-30-2008, 14:29
Dave, thanks a million for taking the time to share this. I love seeing the old trucks and stuff, it makes me a bit wistful for times past.

Here's to better times, both past and future.

Cheers!

dave ziegler
06-01-2008, 19:35
Here are some Bottling machine pictures from Building O, and other stuff in the plant I crawled through weeds ticks,mold and bad air but it is worth it to save history!
The Pictures are from 1 to 8
1. Singer Bottling machine in building O
2.another Phillip Singer Bottle machine Building O
3.Singer Bottle Machine
4. Closeup of Model Plate on machine
5 through 7 are of the Water Distilling room in Building O Governmaent Building. All distilled water used in making Whiskey was done here between the government Offices and the break room!
8. This is a picture I forgot from the 1966 Bottling house this is the machine the numbered and cut the tax strips used on the bottles to seal them after filled. They would buy sheets then cut and mark them everything from just numbered for the USA to ones that were for the Philinpines, oversea's seals for Alcohol bottles and bottled in Bond were done on this machine!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-02-2008, 03:56
Here are some more Pictures of the Old Kinsey Home down by the river and one of the trees that is along the carridge path to the house, they were planted on both sides all the way down. Also a Picture of the tree I used to mulch when I worked there as a Kid, and two shots from the roof of one of the Warehouses!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-02-2008, 07:11
This time I tried my best to get as good a set of Pictures as I could in O building of the Phillip Singer sewing Machine Company Bottling Machines, and there is some light in there unlike the Bottling House which is total darkness. Also I was finnaly Able to get some pictures of the water Distilling room in Building O it was between the Goverment Offices and and the Lunch & Break room in the Plant proper! A man by the name of Marshal ran the Water Distilling equipment. O was the Only one of the Explosion Prrof warehouses to have windows in the Warehouse downstairs and the break room and Government Offices. It was always a very busy place and the only Bathrooms in the area's of the warehouses up there. We always had A Treat Soda's in a machine and a cig machine there plus crackers and stuff. We would jump on the old Dodge 1953 Flat truck and be taken to the break room at Lunch and Breaks. If you missed the truck you would never get there in time for break and back to work the place was so big! 200 Acre's of Plant with its own Cement one inch rod inforced Highway, its own rail bridge and rails coming in two ways one way from the Reading railroad the other the Pennsy! I have many good memories of Shooting dice at the break room. Those where good days for a 19 year old kid making a $101.20 a week after taxes!
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dave ziegler
06-03-2008, 06:55
When I walk around Kinsey I think back to better days like in 1969 at 22 years old I made $101.20 after taxes which were then $15.12 & $4.85. I had work every Day people loved our country and even if there were bad things going on in Our Country we were always trying to make them right. I am very glad I lived in this time I would not want to be here many years from now as things are so different today People don't care about anyone but themselves allot today. We had fun working we did not sit home and let the Government give us money we learned a trade and did not sit around feeling sorry for ourselves I have worked some days when I can bearly walk but it is the right thing to do. And I have always said when you do a good honest Job you like your enjoying working and paying your own keep. At Kinsey we had a clean nice place with good pay and hard working people and a Company that was being run with great Idea's and hopes! And we Had wonderfull Products not just the drinking stuff but the Best Industrial Hospital Alcohols made then and much more. I am Proud I worked for Publicker and I am Proud and Thankful to live in the USA!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-04-2008, 10:58
Another fellow was Cal Roberts who was our Fire Chief Him and Harry Martin and Stan stafoniwitz would tend to all the Hydrants, run the old Fire Engine a very old Mack, do drills and fire watches when there was any kind of Burning on site. They had a small building next to old Warehouse H and would do monthly fire drills at the old Buildings. They would also go up to the Fire tower to check all directions from time to time. Kinsey was a very safe Distillery and all fire sprinklers were checked on a regular basis. Even the Old #12 and other buildings not used for years were painted heated and checked for fire safety every Month. Cal was a very Nice Man and did his job very well. Publicker always kept things up even if not use we would sweep all the buildings not used on a regular basis too!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-05-2008, 10:50
Some more of the Men that worked at Kinsey had nicknames, one of those was Warren Eschback called Eagle Beak He loved his nick name and would like Jimmy Duarenty say the Nose knows! Milton Shantz's nickname was Big Bitch because he complained about everything. Harrison Tyson's nickname was Shorty he was about 5 feet tall. Ken Bergy's nickname was Bud. And many more My Dad was Ziggy, I use to call Old George Rhoads who worked with me in the yard gang the Dandy Man because he always wore Pay Day Bib overall Pants and I saw him at the farmers Market Zerns one Friday with a Pair that had little stars and stuff on them I asked him what that was all about He said when I leave the farm to go out I wear my Dandy Pants! There was a very nice Old Guy there by the name of Davy Rhoads he was Hunch backed but he was the hardest working guy in the place he could out work anyone and he never felt sorry for himself. Then there was old Clair Von Alt who could not read or write and used to look in peoples Lunch bags for candy he had a sweet tooth when drinking. Well one week he was gone all week when he came back I asked him what happen. He said I sat on the toilet all week had my beer Brought up to me. Well I found out that someone got very mad at him taking their candy and knowing he could not read or write put a Very Large Bar of Chococlate Exlax in their lunch for him to steal. He never did that again. There was old John Speivok who told Mr Harold Reinert who was Plant boss that not a drop of Whiskey would touch his lips if he hired him. Funny thing was he crawled to the time clock the first day, guess He figuered it was ok if he drank allot more then a drop! Sometimes riding on the truck to break we would be going 40 MPH the driver used to fly and we would just hold on tight. Ludy told me one day when Mr Neuman came in the plant in his Bently He had his driver stop right at the maintaince door back of the Bottle house walked in walked up to him and had a nice talk with him. He said to me He was one Very Smart Man and not afriad to walk in dirty Area's to talk to employees. It was always an interesting day working at Kinsey and as I have said Before few places of Industry where so clean with so much well cared lawns flowers and grass! For Si Neuman that was important to the Image of the Company a clean safe beautiful place for people to work!
Dave Z
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Gillman
06-05-2008, 12:38
Dave: Of the people you mentioned, do you ever run into any of them?

Gary

dave ziegler
06-05-2008, 13:41
Gary all mentioned in the writting except Ludy have passed away a long time ago. Something interesting about 4 years ago at my Ulser Doctors office I ran into John Speivok the last I had seen him he was drunk every moring at 8:00 AM back when I left Kinsey He used to shake like nuts till he drank some Neuts as He called them well he walked in looking very well I said John glad to see you around yet he was about 80 He said Ziggy I quit my drinking 20 years ago just hear to see my Heart doctor I'm Fine. I was amazed and glad for him. He passed about 2 years ago. I see the nephew of Old George Rhoads once in a while his wife works where I do now the three Rhoads brothers are long gone now and old Davie Rhoads is long gone maybe 20 yrs. Living besides Ludy, Darwin Rayser 90 Nick Name "Jack" is still around and Fransis Keim 90 we called him "Ace" is still living He worked on the old Kinsey Still DSP #12 but has some trouble remembering things. Lucky for me Ludy 90 remembers allot of stuff oh and Old Al Landis Jacob G Kinsey's great Nephew 90 yrs old is still livng saw him at the Talk I gave did not know him but friends with his Son Ken who is my age and worked when I did there and stayed till the end. Some times I see some people who are my age that worked there but there are not too many. I would venture to say most are gone as People worked there for at least a minium of 20 yrs. I plan on visiting Ludy as much as I can to find out as much as I can of the days before and after I left as Ludy worked there from 1936 till 1982. I hope I am keeping this interesting as the History of it means alot to me and the people and I have lots of stories to tell! Best to you Gary!!
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Gillman
06-05-2008, 13:53
Thanks Dave, good to hear that the gentleman who had the problem was able to lick it many years before he passed away.

I sometimes run into people from many years back. Sometimes they seem the same or almost. Other times they seem very different, both in look and outlook, you might say. It is hard getting older I think, I once read a statement that "old age is not for sissies" and it is very true. There are good parts about getting older though, like you know (I am speaking of myself) that you saw all the great rock and roll bands or heard them anyway. :)

Gary

dave ziegler
06-06-2008, 04:35
Gary how right you are about getting old not being for sissies Last year when I got so sick and being by myself it was very hard! I was so glad to see John that day looking good no shaking and talking and seeming very Happy he was a very changed man. I to loved the old Rock but also Big Band and now great Jazz and of the days gone by! When I worked at Kinsey life was so different just begining now slowly winding down! Always good talking to you Gary Be Well-!
I Plan to keep writting all I can remember and find out about kinsey for history. I am going to the WWII weekend in Reading this morning will walk around Dressed as a Col. Wearing an A-2 Jacket with a Picture of the B-29 My Dad flew in at tail gun Position.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-11-2008, 07:00
This morning I was thinking of Poor Old Dickie Peiffer who's job it was to keep all the Very Old Cars and trucks we used everyday in the Plant running. I remember one time going over to his little bay between Warehouse B and #10 Rye barn just a home made room with a heat eliment hanging from the roof and a home made roll door nothing to keep it insulated at all! He was trying to put another door on one of the old 1941 Ford Flat trucks as one of the guys left the door open backing up and hit it hard. He had to keep all those old Engines going all the time Flat head V8 Fords Flat sixes even old straight 8's. I bet it was very cold and snow blew in there when he worked there in the winter,but he liked being by himself. He did everything in there from putting Flat Head v8 motors in the trucks to changing oil! The other Maintaince guys worked on Plant things! I remember times when the trucks had no wind shield doors or wipers but Dickie would fix them it made him cuse allot. They were always looking for motors doors Transmitions and other stuff. The 1950 Ford Flat Six Pickup truck we had in the yard crew was in great shape my Boss John Zuber made sure we took good care of it. It ran wonderful and sometimes when we had a hard day he would say Dave take the truck with this load of tree trimmings go to the dump out back and get lost for about an hour. See you Later! When Dickie got Mad he would say I call that guy Blubber Guts!
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dave ziegler
06-11-2008, 12:34
Another one of the people that made Kinsey a great place to work was our hard working shop steward Walt Harrington. If he was not working in the warehouse he was looking after sick employees needs by selling Kinsey Benifit club tickets something he came up with to give a person the extra cash they needed if they got sick . He would sell them several times a month and we all bought them as you could win up $100, $200. and the rest went to a fund for employees! Walt also sold Fire company tickets, and baskets of Cheer Tickets. He would write out and sign the checks to help people when needed and He could be totally trusted to do this and not touch the fund. How many people can be trusted like that today? Walt later went into the Bottling house and he died about 3 years ago boy I have found memories of Him He was a great person! I wonder if any of the other distillerys had any kind of fund like we did at Kinsey it was a great idea then buy a ticket maybe win and if you were out hurt or sick get help from the fund in cash. I once won $50. on it and ended up losing half in Dice!
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Gillman
06-11-2008, 12:56
What you state, both about the company as you remember it and the people who worked there, shows that our culture, while based on individual freedom and free enterprise, has a counter-weight which is that people help others. And this happens not just at a governmental level, but in other forms of social organisation. Of course, it starts in the family.

It occurs at other levels, too. Many business owners do it, especially when businesses are directed by one or a few persons. But it happens in large companies too (not all, I know). It exists in churches, in social and fraternal organisations, and in town and cities or parts of them.

The person you are remembering who made the collections had a great heart.

Gary

dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 03:48
Gary Walt was a very Good Hearted person and the Company setup the account for him to run it and manage it. Whenever someone was out they could count on a Kinsey Benifit club check. Also they could count on the Company to have great insurance at that time. And there were allot of Churchs that helped people in need to those days. When you work I have always said their is great reward in knowing you are earning your own keep. There are to many hand outs today and it takes away the benifit of making your own way and being able to say by the Grace of God I made it by working and doing what was right! And knowing if trouble hits there are those who will help you in your need.
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dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 06:12
More memories of Charlie Sipler. On the mornings Charlie would come roaring out of the old grain building behind the Round Silo out front, he would always have his old time home made wooden tool box big long box with a round wood handle it had everything Charlie needed. He would offten stop by the fire house and have a pipe smoke with Harry Martin who worked with the Plant Fire Chief Calvin Roberts. Harry also smoked pipe and they would talk about the good old days. Stan Stafoniwitz also was one of the fire dept and him and Cal did not smoke. Then off Charlie would roar in that old home made buggy of his old Ford model A frame and open engine and just a big seat bolted to the frame it would really go and He loved cranking it up. Sometimes we all would sit in the tunnel below the Still on breaks and they would talk about the old days, it was always interesting to me and I would say that is why I remember what I do and their names. I really do not ever remember anyone other then Shanty complaining about the place. Shanty because he complained about everything as I said before was nicknamed Big Bitch! I wish I had a picture of that thing it had a bigger motor then the original and the drive train would jump when he shifted it. I'm sure Dickie was the one who did the motor work and Charlie built the bed with wood himself!
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dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 10:25
Here are some more Kinsey Distillery Pictures some taken a few years after it was Abandoned others through the years
1.Here in late 1990's sits an old Caddilac converted with a flat bed, looks like one Dickie would have done that to and then kept it going
2. Old Mack B-61 sitting in front of the front water tower, I actualy found the motor to put in it stored in one of the warehouses, of course It never went in
3. Shot I took last year from Warehouse Q Fire Oberservation tower Building on the roof
4. Mid 1990's an old Yoohoo trailer that sat in front of the bottle house for years
5. Another roof shot the drains not working gives the roof a look like a river
6. an old Truck in the mid 1990's sits near the then fire house area and building to the right of the truck
7. Mack Truck and trailer sat near the front barns for years
8. This is my best shot of the Mash tanks better then the other one the tank on the far left you just see the rim is the one the fish were in, we had our time clock along the wall to the left there all torn down in 2002
9. Another shot of the #12 Still buildings 2002
10. Another shot on the roof this one looks like a lake
11. This roof shot gives the feeling of an Island in the middle of this explosion prrof warehouse
12. Kinsey Plant Maintance Building which was an old Barn
13. Inside the #10 still rye building when it still had a roof
14. Front Water tower
15, Barn down by the Kinsey Home near the river still standing & Gas Pump 2004 barn fell down now and someone stole the old Sinclair Pump
16. Inside Building O warehouse behind Government offices note windows which none of the other Warehouses had
17. #10 Rye Building
18. Smoke stack from Boiler room 2002
I love letting everyone see these pictures so they can see what a large and amazing Place in its day The Kinsey Distillery Was. In Si Neumans words a beautiful plant along the river on a Peninsual. "Quick note" I also wrote more about Charlie Sipler and stuff on page 9 before this during the morning!
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dave ziegler
06-13-2008, 19:27
Here are three pictures of a 1941 Ford Truck I saw at the showtoday that looks exactly like the ones we used at Kinsey!
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dave ziegler
06-16-2008, 03:39
Here are three pictures of a 1941 Ford Truck I saw at the showtoday that looks exactly like the ones we used at Kinsey!
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When I worked at Kinsey we had 3 of these old 1941 Ford Flat trucks they had come up from down south just before the war I think. They had a plate on them that said sold by Trucksell and and state down south. Someone had said they had a logging operation down there at one time, perhaps for wood for their barrels. They also had a couple of Plymouth the 1951 Ford Pickup we used. And there was charlies home made buggy and other ones . I Remember the 1941 trucks as they were neat old things even beat up they ran good and did not quit. Flat heads had a sound of their own when you cranked them up. They were running back and forth all day every day hauling Barrels to be dumped. We would go to some of the warehouses where there were no racks and roll barrels on the trucks to take them to the nearest warehouse that had a trough. I remeber Dickie going nuts one day when he saw someone had lost the gas cap on one and put a rag in. He quickly brought a cap, and lucky the fums did not catch it on fire but you always had some guys who did not have sense. I always loved the sound of the old Ford Motors roaring and they would crank them through all the gears with only a wood block holding the barrels.
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dave ziegler
06-16-2008, 10:07
Another thing I remember when I started at Kinsey was that they were re-doing some of the Explosion proof warehouse's roofs. This required a type of Elevator like you use for bales of Hay with a belt with flaps to carry Stone up to the top and also Pitch to make tar to put on the stones. Each roof had big drains on the top and that is why the roof pictures I have taken show water laying as the drains are blocked and the water is seeping into the buildings. These Buildings are so stong it still amazes me. One that the kids got on fire years ago is hardly harmed by it. And Even the worse of these would make an amazing Condo if someone would put some money and effort into it. I have had the thought many a time of How they could have made the Front Buildings into a living History Place, and the Explosion proof Warehouses could have been made into apartments & Condo's. They could have called it the Condo's At the Kinsey Distillery. The highway in there is in better shape then are roads, Cement with 1 inch thick rods in it. How many times I wished I was rich and could have done that with it. But since that can't be done I will keep the memories going through writting about it. When you go into the buildings it is always so cool and Pleasant in them. The One foot thick Cement terricota & Brick make them very nice in hot weather. If you were working in one of them in Hot weather you hated to come out!
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dave ziegler
06-18-2008, 07:26
One of my crazy Memories was of the One Guy Named Jim it would never fail he would get a sandwich or crackers and an A treat Soda at break and go sit on the toilet to eat while he went we told him he was nuts he would say I'm getting two things done at once. Another thing I always was amazed watching the Coopers fixing the Barrels stopping leaks ect. I tried it and found it to be the hardest job in the plant and also one of the best paying also but being Left Handed I did not do good on it. Ludy later gave me my Hand sledge and Coopers Hammer for giving it a try which I still have with my collection of Stuff from there!
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dave ziegler
06-19-2008, 04:50
Lately I have been enjoying my Pint Bottle of Kinsey Silver from 1966 the year I started there. I had never had the Kinsey Blends till Ludy gave me this bottle when I visited him. For a Blended Whiskey I find it to be of High quality and a very nice Pour 80 Proof 35 % Straight 65 % Spirits. For the most part everything that Continental made was good drinking. Their Bottle house then was so modern back in 1966 and the Old Bigler street one was converted to industrial Alcohol Bottling later. The Bottle of Kinsey Silver was from the first year of the Linfield Bottle house and the year I started there in the fall! The Kinsey Slogon was "Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey" and the early Embossed Bottles Had that on them. I am still amazed that in fall 1933 at 75 yrs old Jacob G Kinsey would reopen and run the distillery till he was 81 yrs old and sold it in an auction to pay bills. He lived to be 94 yrs old and the Plant operated for exactly 94 yrs 1892 - 1986.
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dave ziegler
06-19-2008, 18:45
Tonight I am just sitting here thinking about the old days at Kinsey and the old friends mostly gone now. I sat down here and poured out a shot of the Old Hickory that Kurt was kind enough to give me and it is so smooth and good that no matter what other Whiskeys I try I just like the Old Hickory The Best. I only hope that I can find another Bottle before I finish this one off! After 30 yrs at almost 61 yrs old I do not have another 30 yrs to look. It was for its price truely a great bargan back then it is filled with flavor and hints of wood, a little sweet but with a great feel in your mouth and a great smell too! it is all that I remember way back when I was a 19 yr old Kid and my Boss Ben Myers got me a 1/2 Pint from a barrel that was for old Hickory 80 proof back then. I offten think what would it be like to go back for a few minutes and have a shot of Old Hickory with all the old timers I knew then. And See Old Charlie come roaring out of the old grain building now empty and abandon. To talk to Dickie about the Old Trucks and all the work He had to do to keep them going. To be able now after all these years to thank Frank for fixing my 1963 Chevy for nothing while I worked as he did it to help me knowing I did not have alot of money. To see Walt Working on the Kinsey Benifit Club tickets to help those that needed help. To talk Baseball with Gus again and just to be even more thankful to have my job there and to be doing something I enjoyed, Loved to make a living. These are thoughts that are written for those who are just starting out don't let Life pass you by Be glad for what you have, enjoy each day God gives you and be glad for your friends and thank those who help you. I was once 19 yrs old it is long gone but I remember and I was and am thankful for those great days and for Kinsey Distilling to me "the MOST BEAUTIFUL DISTILLERY THERE EVER WAS"!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-20-2008, 02:58
One of the things I loved when I worked at Kinsey was the Heavy smell of Whiskey when you would walk into the warehouses after they were closed for many days. The Air would be blue with vapor near the roof and if you had sinus it would open right up for you. We had old slow lifts to bring barrels down from the racks in the explosion proof warehouses. The power cord had a large sealed bayonet plug. Everything as I have said was the best explosion proof product you could get then. We never had any fires in the plant and I never remember anyone getting hurt bad. Days went by fast and if it was hot outside working in the warehouse was a great thing they were so cool. When I get in one of the Buildings after all those years gone by and can still smell whiskey it gives me great Pleasure and brings these memories back! I even saw one of the old lifts sitting there like it was waiting to go back to work. I offten wonder how many Barrels did we roll in a week? How many Gallons did we dump? Never thought about it then. I remember seeing the heads on some old full barrels in warehouse E & D they were the early 1950's and I think these were the barrels used for the 20 yr old Aniversary Old Hickory Bourbon as they were bourbon barrels.
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dave ziegler
06-23-2008, 06:33
The day before Christmas in 1969 Was an amazing day! People were drinking as soon as they rang in that day. Someone gave me a Pint which I just kept in my Pocket as I wanted to watch what people would do. We had been very busy the Holiday season and rail car after rail car was filled with Whiskeys for out west and across the USA! Trucks were lining up all through Sept, Oct and Nov, mid Dec. Now I guess everyone was caught up in how good business had been as I never saw so many people drinking as I did that Dec. By 10:00-AM half the people in the Plant were lit up singing just plain drinking. I watched and marveled. John the fellow I got Whiskey for was drunk by 10:00 AM and started drinking again after Lunch. Nobody was doing much and no orders were going out so even the Government Guys were drinking. Break time people were just smiling and enjoying the day. Amazingly No One got hurt and no one drove drunk and everything was fine when we came back after the Holiday. Even the Security guy had drank one to many and leaned out of the box and said Have a good Christmas in a sort of Half Drunk way! I never saw it happen to this amount again but no one got in trouble and no one ever said anything about it. I was told they were Partying in the Bottle house and had brought in party foods also. So 1969 was a very Good Year for the Kinsey Distillery Division of Continental Distilling!
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dave ziegler
06-25-2008, 04:52
I have been thinking allot about Publicker and how they went from a company that had 5,000 employees to gone and the biggest reason was they lost their Way. Once Si Neuman Died they went on distilling and Bottling Whiskeys for almost 3 years and along the way got bad people running it. Also they had people out to make some money at all costs by getting on the Board and getting them to leave the Drinking Alcohol Bussiness. Then of all things leading to the end was the fact that the Plant in Phila most likely needed much updating in the changing times and after Mr Neuman died No one thought about that till it would have cost to much I guess. But to just shut down a 70 Million Gal a year Operation and sell it for 3 Million which was like giving it away with the promise of it being cleaned up, was a very bad mistake as Overland Wrecking had barely started and caught the place on fire and went into bankrupesy and of course Publicker had to pay then and that took allot of what little capital they had. To think that one day they just told people start shutting down and closing 40 arce's of plant and two stills and just go try to get in another Bussiness shows that the people who bought their way on to the Board after Mr Neumans death did not have a clue! From 1913 till 1985 Publicker was a great company started by Harry Publicker and made into a giant of a company by the skilled work of Si Neuman and his team and for it to end in such a sad way still bothers me. Harry Publicker had began the American dream and many people 5,000 employee's had been blessed for all those years and at Si Neuman Harrys son inlaws death for two or three outsiders to get control and ruin it all is one of the sadest stories in the History of Industry. I will alway wonder what would have happened if Mr Neuman had not passed. I think as he had always done he would have thought big and rebuilt the Phila Plant and built a new still at Kinsey and that it would still be running today had he been there to find the right people to keep it going! He had always had them keep the old #12 Still building complete and safe and there had been lots of talk that his next move was to build a brand new #12 still and expand everything. he would have done it big no retreating onward and upward! Mr Neuman was a true Genius and the driving Force that kept Publicker together.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-30-2008, 03:25
When I started at Kinsey in the Yard gang about one yr later we started the project of removing all the Metal barrel racks from the Explosion proof Warehouses. The contracter that removed them just cut the welds with a welder torch and then we would haul them to a wagon we had behind a farm tractor and take them to the steer pens were we would put them in big piles. When I was bumped and went to the warehouses They were just starting to refill the warehouses all the racks were out of. The Barrels were really big not sure how many gal but we would use a lift and stack them it two of us to roll them across the pile on the second level and to stand them up. They all stood on their bottom instead of on their side like the old ones. when they were ready to be emptied they would put a long hose and pump the whiskey out and run it into the trouth. Or or later into a big Tank where it could go to the bender or straight Bourbon lines. It was a big difference from when I started and all the wearehouses were full of regular I think 40 gal barrels. The big Barrels leaked very badly and the Coopers cused alot about them. They lost lots of whiskey in leakage, the floors were always getting wet!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-01-2008, 11:58
One of the neatest things when I worked at Kinsey was being able to find and get straight Whiskey from the barrel. I was lucky enough to have had straight Rye from the barrel which would be made into Rittenhouse Rye and Straight Bourbons which would have been used for Old Hickory or Hallers County fair or other Continental straight bourbons! Thinking about it now I am surprised I did not get bombed right away as I had never had whiskey till I worked there. I found that the stuff as long as you had the Bung Cloth under when you poured it it was smooth and full of flavor, granted it was strong who knows how much proof it was straight from the barrel but siping it from a 1/2 Pint bottle it was real Good! Mostly used a 1/2 Pint as it would be easier to sip and not get too much to quick! The very First Drink I had was straight Rye after that it has always been a favorite, then Next the boss showed me the Bourbon Barrels and that was so good! How many of you have had the chance to drink it right from the barrel? Anyway it was a great job and never a dull minute! One of the things that was amazing to me was how fast Ben Myers got the Bung out filed a notch in each side got it back in and poured me my fisrt Bourbon!
Dave Z
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mozilla
07-01-2008, 12:41
How many of you have had the chance to drink it right from the barrel?


I have been lucky enough to have had: 1792 Barton at ten years of age and Four Roses at four years of age.

I have had many others....though they were already bottled.

Thanks for all the great memories.:cool:

Gillman
07-01-2008, 12:52
I've had my share of these, Heaven Hill's stands out as the best.

Somewhere I once read (not that I endorse it for barrel strength, au contraire) that when you take in liquor neat, part of the alcohol is not metabolized by the body. This would suggest that sipping a strong drink would not necessarily result in greater intoxication than sipping at a lower proof diluted.

Gary

BourbonJoe
07-01-2008, 19:34
I've had my share at the distilleries. I remember a barrel proof 4 Roses at Cox's Creek and a wonderful barrel proof 1792 at Barton. Had some more 4 Roses samples in Lawrenceburg. Bettye Jo gave me a sample of Barrel Proof Elijah Craig. Nothing like barrel proof whiskey.
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
07-02-2008, 06:33
You are very right Joe the stuff straight from the Barrel is most times unbelieveable! I remember back in those days trying lots of different Years distilled straights from the older warehouses. The Old guys always knew were to send you for some good Whiskey, as they had barrels they had opened and filed ready to pour in alot of warehouses. The Rye which was the first Whiskey I had ever Had was just amazing stuff and the old timer said it was to be dumped for Rittenhouse Rye! The old guys would move barrels up just enough to leave room in the rack to roll the one you wanted whiskey out of front enough to have it pour right through the u filed in the bung. As I have said before it would flow perfect and clean if the Bung cloth was put back in right, it was a great filter. They would remember which rack it was in by counting the steps from the end to the right rack and write it with chauk on a wall somewhere like end of last row 10 steps from this end row,they would write it with a flashligt in the first row so no one would see it. My Boss showed me how to do all this as soon as I went in the warehouses after being bumped from the yard gang! Guys would also put full bottles places and then forget where they put them. A few years ago I found a bottle like that in the plant on top of a metal desk back in a corner Governors club Gin! It is so sad to see the place in ruin now and the buildings wasting away. But the days are gone and only the memories live on and that is what I hope I am doing keeping the place alive with memories!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-02-2008, 13:43
I remember just walking in a warehouse and finding bottles put in some of the weirdest Places by guys. One guy told me back then he had one in every warehouse so he could get a drink quick. Bonda the traffic guy always came in early and filled his bottles then kept them under the seat of his 1951 Pylmouth. I would see Bonda having a drink at 7:00 Am most days. I can still see him shifting then grabing his bottle and taking a hit!
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dave ziegler
07-03-2008, 13:05
One of my Favorite Products which I am lucky enough to have many cases of is Continental Peanut Lolita, which was a Peanut Liquor made with Bourbon. It is 53 proof and a delightful drink by itself or by adding a big shot of Bourbon to it which I do offten. I am not much for Liquors but this Peanut has a kick to it like a good Bourbon should with a very nice Peanut flavor. Continental was the only company ever to make a peanut Liquor from what I know. They sold a lot of Liquors in those days and mine was bottled in the old Kinsey Bottle House out front. In those days Continental was always ahead of the times with products and they had very good quality control too! Tasting the Peanut Lolita its gives you a crisp Peanut flavor with heavy over tones of good Bourbon and a sort of Roasted Peanut smell. It is very pleasant, not to sweet with a nice kick for only being 53 proof. I often enjoy a glass with an extra shot of Bourbon or Rye in it. At your first sip you feel that inhale feeling you get with a good Bourbon hard to explain sort deep breathing it in and it never gets to the point that you feel it is too sweet.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-04-2008, 13:42
One of the things I remember from the old days at Kinsey was how much Continental went out and found neat ways to market their Products. Example the Old Hickory Figureen of Andy Jackson, the Liberty Bell for Phila Blended Whiskey. they had differant Boxes for every season. And they had so many solgans. An Example of that was their Skol Vodka on the top of the case it said Just say Skol instead of Vodka! I have a set of 3 old time 1950's Coffee Carafes Pints that came with 100 proof bottled in Bond Old hickory in them, and a booklet telling you to use them after you were done to heat coffee or water and pour some Old Hikory in them to drink! I had one given to me by an old friends son his dad had been a friend of mine back then he was a government man. I also had one from my Dads stuff and I had one from when I worked there. Years later I found the box that two of them would have been in and the owners manuel laying on the floor in an old building there. They were the only one I ever saw to make a Pint Bottled in Bond Bourbon in such a contaner and I am lucky to have them as I have never seen any others for sale anywhere. They had all kinds of sizes for stuff from 1/10th to 1/2 Gallon and their bottles were always the best you could buy heavy bottom weighted glass. They said in the Manuel why not heat some water or coffee in your Carafe now when you use it and put a shot or two of Old Hickory in with it, the flavor will jump out at you! That was some smart marketing some one buys the carafes then when one is empy they heat some coffee or water on one of those old tin things you put on a burner then pour some old hickory in and find a whole new way to enjoy your Bourbon! Is it any wonder that our Nurse loved Coffee and Bourbon! I am going to scan the book and put it up after I finish here so you can see what they looked like!
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dave ziegler
07-04-2008, 14:07
Here are two pictures of the Booklet that came with the carafes and a Picture of two of them together. I have never seen these anywhere.
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mozilla
07-05-2008, 07:10
That's some wild stuff!

Were these type servers popular in restaurants at one time? What would you put under these when heating them...or just strait on the burner? Maybe you heated them with hot water? Did I miss that part of your story?

Great info either way. Keep 'em coming, Dave.

dave ziegler
07-05-2008, 17:46
Jeff In the old days you could either heat the water or Coffee and pour it in them or put a little metal ring thing on the Burner turn the heat on low and warm them slowly there then you would sit it in the cup it had a samller bottom with a lip just up from the end and the heat would radiate back at the carafe till you were ready to take it out and pour the Water or coffee in the cup and add the Bourbon. Places you ate at back in the old days had the same thing and they would bring your Coffee about 2 cups a Pint out in the carafe sitting in the cup then you would pour a cup worths put the cap on to keep the rest warm its an early thermal type of Glass. So Continental decided to take it a little farther by selling Old Hickory Bottled in Bond in these neat old Carafes In the 1950's. I had two of the carafes most of my Life the third was given me by The old Government Man Smitty's son as a gift. It had a cap the others were missing, I was lucky enough to find caps for them and the owners Manuel and the gift box for two of them at the Plant a yr back or so!
I don't think any other Distillery ever made anything like this!
Dave Z
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Jono
07-07-2008, 17:55
Here is a tidbit...collector item:

http://www.scripophily.net/kindiscom1.html

Hmm, what was Kinsey Gold like...."the richest whiskey of them all" ?

dave ziegler
07-08-2008, 06:05
Jono I am very Lucky to have that very Stock Cert in a Uncanceled state! Here are the rest of the Pictures from my Trip to Kinsey with Fricky & Phils fan!
Pictures are
1.The Ladder I had to climb in Warehouse E to get to the 6th and all Levels
2. One of the Old racks still in ok shape
3. through 7. Pictures taken in the old Kinsey Bottle House which was used for Liqour Bottling till fall 1979 when they stopped bottling of all Drinking Alcohols.
8. Facing the back wall of the old Kinsey Dsp #10 Rye still, the space to the Left is where they set up a Bottling Line back in 1936 where the first Barrel was dumped Rittenhouse Rye.
9. Phils Fan (Joe) and Fricky standing Beside where Old #12 Still was to the Right, behind them some of the old Grain Buildings behind to the left of picture the old Maintaince Barn.
10. Looking down from the front at Warehouse H and at the back Warehouse M
11.& 12 the Old Hickory Clock that Bourbon Joe gave me I took it home and spent the night getting it running again it is now stone quite and runs good!
I want again to Thank Bourbon Joe for this wonderful Clock I want to Thank Fricky for my Lunch and the sipping of Bourbon at his home and I want to Thank Phils Fan for the Wonderful Bottle of Very Old barton Bourbon 100 proof He gave me. What a great bunch of Guys! Siped weller, Old Fitz from 1980 that Phils Fan brought and some 15 yr Old forester a special one forget the rest of the name I had such a good time!
Dave Z
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mozilla
07-08-2008, 07:19
Siped weller, Old Fitz from 1980 that Phils Fan brought and some 15 yr Old forester a special one forget the rest of the name I had such a good time!
Dave Z
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The 15 yr old was actually Wild Turkey......

dave ziegler
07-08-2008, 07:22
The 15 yr old was actually Wild Turkey......
Dam you are right 15 yr Wild Turkey I was so much having fun I forgot as we also had some good Old Forester the better stuff there! Sometimes when you are having a good time you get mixed up at my Age, Sorry about that!!
Dave

dave ziegler
07-08-2008, 09:08
We had a really overcast day in the Plant but as you can see our Pictures turned out very good. On the other post Fricky put a couple with me in them, One in the Old Kinsey Plant lunch room and one on the dock of one of the old buildings and one With Phils fan At Building O the old Government Building.
We had a good time and the offer for anyone else who would like to look around still stands!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-08-2008, 11:02
I hope sometime to take others through the plant while it is still there to see, it is one big 200 acre Place and we did alot of driving there in the old days they always had 3 or 4 cars and lots of old Trucks. We could most times only move about maybe 20 barrels on the truck we just made two rolled on rows and stuck a wedge under the last one on each of the rows! The Barrels on the big Piles were something else after the racks were gone two or three people to stand them once we got them up on the second level of the pile. Standing like that they leaked alot from the heads. Ludy told me the big ones were 300 gal or abouts. We saw an old Barrel ring from one of them down at the place the steer Pens were on Monday. It was really big, I remember the Coopers haveing one heck of a time with them. Ludy said they were no Dam good!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-09-2008, 10:27
Working At Kinsey was like working where I am now I always went in early and was not in a super hurry to leave it was such a nice place to work. We worked hard but never really thought about it much. The one job I did not like on the yard gang was the unloading of the coal cars as you had to climb up in them to knock coal that would stick off the sides. One of my most enjoyable jobs was just weeping floors in the old Buildings, like the #12 Still. We always were told to keep everything clean and safe. The old buildings were fasinating and I still remember happy breaks in the old tunnel at the bottom of the Still building. The DSP-Pa-12 was built on a small hill and the mash tanks ran all the way down. We rang out in the front room where the Mash tanks were as I have said and fed the fish in the one tank. There were six real big Wood tanks for the mash and in one part of the building was an old Sisterin. Charlie Sipler showered in the old grain building and kept his mobil Buggy with his tools on it In the Barn out in front next to the Old Bottling house is where Frank Kurtas, and Harrison Tyson ( Shorty ) and Lou Steffy worked and Dickie worked in the home made room between the #10 Rye barn and old 1892 Warehouse B. The rooms were not much for room and they were fairly cold those days if you went and looked now you would see. Just an old Barn with stuff stuck in the ceiling to keep out the cold but they never complained. We always worked with what we had. The heat lines ran from the boiler room out front all along the plant to just before the steer Pens which was about a mile or more I would say, they were wrapped in Asbestos to keep them hot. If you look at one of my early pictures I have one with the Pink Mack they are running down the driveway in the back ground. We had real good insurance and coverage for medicine and as I have said made good money. In a old Pay stub dated Dec 9 1969 I took home after tax $101.20 which was real good for those days. We had plenty of Mowing around the plant there were 5 of us mowing every summer including all 3 company houses. And we had to make sure there were no weeds or danyloin. The Lawns were like you would see at a Mansion! We had riding mowers gang mowers and hand rotory and reel mowers the gang mowers were also reel type to give the Baseball field effect on the big lawns. Also there were flower beds and lots of nice trees like the one I put on here I took care of. And I never heard anyone say anything but good about our Whiskeys and other products back in that Day! I am glad I got to take the guys from SB so they could see how very big and how nice the place would have been then. I believe the Kinsey Distillery was the Most Beautiful Distillery there was back then It was like going to work in a beautiful Park!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-09-2008, 12:18
Working At Kinsey was like working where I am now I always went in early and was not in a super hurry to leave it was such a nice place to work. We worked hard but never really thought about it much. The one job I did not like on the yard gang was the unloading of the coal cars as you had to climb up in them to knock coal that would stick off the sides. One of my most enjoyable jobs was just weeping floors in the old Buildings, like the #12 Still. We always were told to keep everything clean and safe. The old buildings were fasinating and I still remember happy breaks in the old tunnel at the bottom of the Still building. The DSP-Pa-12 was built on a small hill and the mash tanks ran all the way down. We rang out in the front room where the Mash tanks were as I have said and fed the fish in the one tank. There were six real big Wood tanks for the mash and in one part of the building was an old Sisterin. Charlie Sipler showered in the old grain building and kept his mobil Buggy with his tools on it In the Barn out in front next to the Old Bottling house is where Frank Kurtas, and Harrison Tyson ( Shorty ) and Lou Steffy worked and Dickie worked in the home made room between the #10 Rye barn and old 1892 Warehouse B. The rooms were not much for room and they were fairly cold those days if you went and looked now you would see. Just an old Barn with stuff stuck in the ceiling to keep out the cold but they never complained. We always worked with what we had. The heat lines ran from the boiler room out front all along the plant to just before the steer Pens which was about a mile or more I would say, they were wrapped in Asbestos to keep them hot. If you look at one of my early pictures I have one with the Pink Mack they are running down the driveway in the back ground. We had real good insurance and coverage for medicine and as I have said made good money. In a old Pay stub dated Dec 9 1969 I took home after tax $101.20 which was real good for those days. We had plenty of Mowing around the plant there were 5 of us mowing every summer including all 3 company houses. And we had to make sure there were no weeds or danyloin. The Lawns were like you would see at a Mansion! We had riding mowers gang mowers and hand rotory and reel mowers the gang mowers were also reel type to give the Baseball field effect on the big lawns. Also there were flower beds and lots of nice trees like the one I put on here I took care of. And I never heard anyone say anything but good about our Whiskeys and other products back in that Day! I am glad I got to take the guys from SB so they could see how very big and how nice the place would have been then. I believe the Kinsey Distillery was the Most Beautiful Distillery there was back then It was like going to work in a beautiful Park!
Dave Z
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One last thing about the Explosion proof warehouse Buildings they are so cool when you walk in them you feel like you are in the Most wonderful air conditioned building you could be, that part in the hot summer was wonderful and I admit I loved the smell of the Whiskeys it was just to me something wonderful!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-10-2008, 03:28
Just a quick note on the Publicker / Continental Site I wish they would answer my E mails as I could tell them alot they do not know about the Place but they have never wrote back. I wanted to tell them about when the Still shut down as they seemed to think that it never ran when Publicker owned it, but It shut down in 1951 my 90 year old Friend Ludy told me all about that and they kept it in good shape for the sake of the Grandfather laws as they had hoped to build a new still there in the future back then. If anyone Knows John and Linda tell them to write me as I would love to give them some more information! I try to get as much out about the place as I can and it was trurely an amazing place in the old days a power House of a Company that was very inovative! I wish I could take every one back in time to see the place in the fall of 1969 one of our biggest years with box cars of Whiskeys leaving everyday and truck after truck till about a week or so before Christmas! There were People everywhere working and we were the safest Distillery in our time! And thanks to Si Neuman barrels were reused for Scotch as He was the first to ask the Government about doing that and next American Distillers and all the others, that was inovation! Something that was done over there but not here back then.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-10-2008, 07:24
Something from the artice about Kinsey that I want to talk about. Mr Kinsey Did indeed Run the plant in his 70's he reopened in fall 1933 at 75 yrs old and at 81 years old lost and sold it at auction to Publicker. His Great Nephew Al Landis age 90 who I met at the talk I gave on Kinsey told me that at age 75 Jacob G Kinsey came to his home and told him I want you to work for me at my Distillery! Also Harold Ludof ( Ludy ) age 90 started there in 1936 He was hired by Mr Kinsey so Mr Kinsey was very much running the place in his 70's. These are facts told to me by living people who knew and worked for Jacob G Kinsey I talked to them to make sure all the story would be told! -----------Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-11-2008, 04:22
Yesterday I went to see Ludy again to ask more about the buildings in the front of the Plant and what a couple of them did exactly. The Pictures below are of two of them one was the Drying building for the grains, which is where Charlie Sipler kept his buggy in and the other Building was the milling building were the grain was gotten ready for the mash tanks!
Pictures of each building in next part had trouble with loading them!
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dave ziegler
07-11-2008, 04:28
For some reason the Pictures did not load so here are two of them the others won't load.
Picture One is the Milling building where the grains went to be ground for Distilling.
Picture two the building with pipes coming out the one on the left is the maintaince barn is the Drying building where the grains were dryed first, these are original Kinsey Buildings from the begining of the Century and Ludy said when he worked there till 1951 they were used to get the grains ready for the old DSP-Pa-12 still. And am going to try loading the other two pictures yet but not sure I get get them on. When I went to see Ludy last night I took him a copy of an old Blue print of the plants buildings
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-11-2008, 04:57
Here are the other two pictures it seems when you count on your Computer it will always let you down so sorry about having to put these in 3 sets of writtings but at least I got them on now! I am not the grestest with computers for sure but I still enjoy what you can do with them for History!
1. Picture one again is of the drying building and the bottom open door just behind the silo is where Old Charlie came roaring out every day!
2. Is another shot of the milling building.
I am glad I was able to get these on while what Ludy told me was fresh in my mind.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-11-2008, 06:32
Here are the other two pictures it seems when you count on your Computer it will always let you down so sorry about having to put these in 3 sets of writtings but at least I got them on now! I am not the grestest with computers for sure but I still enjoy what you can do with them for History!
1. Picture one again is of the drying building and the bottom open door just behind the silo is where Old Charlie came roaring out every day!
2. Is another shot of the milling building.
I am glad I was able to get these on while what Ludy told me was fresh in my mind.
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Ludy last evening was telling me about the day Mr Neuman parked his Bently Rolls next to the Bottling house Mantaince door and walked in. He walked right up to Ludy and started talking about all kinds of things. Ludy said told me he just stood there and talked like a regular Guy we talked about all kinds of things. Then Ludy said I would love a ride in your Rolls teasing and he said maybe someday. This was the Kind of Man Si Neuman was. Brillant and yet down to earth a man of great Wisdom and A Giant of Industry.
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PhilsFan
07-13-2008, 19:41
Dave Ziegler is one great tour guide! Kinsey had to be just an amazing place in it's heyday...The warehouse buildings are massive brick structures that are totally different from the bourbon warehouses we see in KY.

We had a lot of fun, got some great exercise walking around the old Kinsey grounds and a wonderful history lesson from a great member of sb.com... Thanks again, Dave Z!

-Joe

dave ziegler
07-16-2008, 04:52
Dave Ziegler is one great tour guide! Kinsey had to be just an amazing place in it's heyday...The warehouse buildings are massive brick structures that are totally different from the bourbon warehouses we see in KY.

We had a lot of fun, got some great exercise walking around the old Kinsey grounds and a wonderful history lesson from a great member of sb.com... Thanks again, Dave Z!

-Joe
Joe It was a Pleasure taking you guys to Kinsey Till I saw pictures on this site I thought all Distillery Warehouses were Like Kinsey! They were and still are very Stong Buildings as the Picture Fricky put up shows even when the fire company knocked the hole in the wall the building still is standing and fixable. Sadly that is the one with the Fire Observation tower on top. I have been all through it and walked on the roof and it is still ok! The Buildings were wonderful this time of year with the heat if its a Hundred outside its Sixty inside. When Continental built the Explosion Proof Warehouses in the late 30' early 40's they were the most modern way to age Whiskey with fans that pulled air through and A little heat in each one during the winter. I have very Fond Memories of the Smells of Whiskey in them and the Blue fums at the ceiling. Back then it never even came to mind much about the famibiltiy of them. We just did are jobs and were glad to work at Kinsey!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-16-2008, 06:10
Here are two Pictures inside one of the Warehouses Building J looking you can see how big the Pilers were and the old palets of Bottles falling over inside, all left behind when they closed. Those pilers like the walls were full of large Steel Rods, the floors and walls about 2 foot thick or close to that! All the Cement and terracotta made for a real cool place all year round. They were stated to be able to withstand an atomic Bomb, that was how strong they were made, I have an old Broshure My Dad was given in the begining of the 1950's when he worked there and it says Publicker Industries what to do in case of a Atomic Bomb attack and tells them to get into the warehouses quickly! I will take a picture some time and post it. The Cases of Bottles are Inver House Scotch!
Dave Z
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Donald Kinsey
07-17-2008, 22:51
Nice Picture Dave thank you for showing Don Kinsey

Donald Kinsey
07-17-2008, 22:55
Thanks for sharing the photos, Mozilla Don Kinsey

Donald Kinsey
07-17-2008, 22:58
Dave should write a Book on the Distillery I'm sure the family would be proud, thank you for your kind words Dave, Don Kinsey

Donald Kinsey
07-17-2008, 22:58
Thanks for the photos Don Kinsey

dave ziegler
07-18-2008, 06:27
Just a note Don I am very glad you can see these pictures of Your Familys History. Mr Jacob G. Kinsey was a very Smart man and someone who did not give up! His great nephew Al Landis 90 years old now told me when he came to see him in spring of 1933 he Al Landis was a young man then and Mr Kinsey was 75 years old that he said Al I want you to come help me open up the Distillery and make fine wiskeys! Most people after all those years of not being able to Distill during Prohibition and being that old would just give up he did not and ran it till fall 1939 when his debt was to much Publicker / Continental Distilling bought it and ran it and built all the Explosion proof Warehouses. Mr Kinsey During Prohibition told me by Al Landis, went to Germany to study Brewing of Beer. Mr Kinsey started out as a School teacher, then after that went to work in a Creamery then bought 4 of his own then sold them and in 1891 fall bought the ground Kinsey stands on it was around 300 to 400 acres then and built his Distillery in 1892!
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fricky
07-18-2008, 09:37
Dave,
After reading all of your posts and touring the site with you, I am interested in learning more. I have unsuccessfully searched for information concerning J.G.Kinsey. Was he considered a master distiller or was his expertise in blending? What was distilled at the Linfield location? I found an old advertisement from about 1942 concerning Kinsey's Golden Anniversary Blend. The label indicates that it was blended and bottled in Linfield.

What happened to the records from the Linfield facility. Do you know if the county or township historical societies have any documents?
Thanks,
Doug

dave ziegler
07-18-2008, 10:09
Doug as far as I know Jacob G. Kinsey was a master Distiller and Blender of Whiskey. One of his earliest Whiskeys was Kinsey Straight Rye which he had in the earliest days bottled in Ny , if you look at my Wood case which is dated 1909 it Says Kinsey Straight Rye Whiskey.I Have a bottle at home so will look the name up of who bottled it for him. When he came back in 1933 Fall he started distilling and then set up an Early Bottle line in the #10 Rye Building I took you in on the tour. His Great Nephew and Ludy both told me about that then the Bottle House behind the Barn that Phils fan and I went in was his first real building for just bottling as before they bottled right next to the #10 Still. I will speak to his great nephew Al Landis and Ludy and find out how much he was of a distiller, but from all I have heard His was A Master Distiller! And from what I have heard He was very Good at making great Whiskey Blends when Prhibition ended!
He only had a couple people when he reopened so He would have been doing all the Distilling.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-18-2008, 11:46
A couple of more things Fricky I forgot to put in the above notes Mr Kinsey Distilled Kinsey Rye Kinsey,Kinsey Blended then Kinsey Gold and Kinsey Silver Blended Whiskey Linfield Bourbon, Kinsey's Maywood straight Rye which I have a bottle and I will ask Al Landis & Ludy when I talk to them about any more made while Mr Kinsey was there!
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dave ziegler
07-19-2008, 04:09
Fricky here is a Picture of a very Old Bottle from when Kinsey was distilling but not bottling anything yet! Maywood Brand Straight RYE Whiskey. Note on the top it says Kinsey's Pennsyvania Rye 90 proof, bottom it says Bottled by The American Liquor Company Boston Mass. He must have back in the Angelo Myers days there have had his whiskeeys Bottled in Boston! I will be talking to Al Landis about Mr Kinseys Distilling very soon, and I will ask Ludy about his Ability as a Distiller.
This is the only None Linfield / Kinsy / Publicker / Continental Bottle I own they are few and far between. I do not have one of the Angelo Myers Bottles, but it could be he was an agent for getting his wiskeys bottled?
Do not Know.
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dave ziegler
07-20-2008, 15:41
FRicky and everyone else here are some more Kinsey Brands I bought some rare labels at the flee Market also.
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1. Conestoga Striaght Peach Brandy Distilled in Elverson Pa Bottled at Kinsey Distillery
2. Three Kings Straight Rye Distilled at Kinsey and Bottled at Kinsey
3. Linfield Bourbon which was one of the oldest Kinsey Brands bottled in Phila by Continental
4. An orginal Continental Brand Philadelphia but this time Straight Rye
5. Sweep Stakes Blended One of the very first Continenal Brands Label says 1933 on it they Made Sweep Stakes Striaght and Blended
Other Continental Brands that someone bought the Labels before I could are Town Crier Blended Whiskey & Rustic Straight Rye Whiskey.
I got the Label guys name and will be visiting him some time for more!
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Gillman
07-20-2008, 16:04
The graphics on the straight peach brandy label speak of the 1950's, and this must be one of the last if not the last traditional American peach brandies made. This was not a brandy of the wine-derived type flavoured with peaches but a distillate of peaches themselves, and aged at least two years to earn the designation "straight". Cool.

Gary

dave ziegler
07-20-2008, 16:16
The graphics on the straight peach brandy label speak of the 1950's, and this must be one of the last if not the last traditional American peach brandies made. This was not a brandy of the wine-derived type flavoured with peaches but a distillate of peaches themselves, and aged at least two years to earn the designation "straight". Cool.

Gary
Thanks Gary I was going to ask you about that as I figured it was something like that. Elverson is only about 20 miles from Linfield but I do not have a clue to where it was distilled there. Boy I bet that was some good stuff! It would have been bottled in the Old Kinsey Bottle House out front beside Warehouse E with the Rye Barn DSP #10-Pa behind it!
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dave ziegler
07-21-2008, 06:25
--Thanks Gary I was going to ask you about that as I figured it was something like that. Elverson is only about 20 miles from Linfield but I do not have a clue to where it was distilled there. Boy I bet that was some good stuff! It would have been bottled in the Old Kinsey Bottle House out front beside Warehouse E with the Rye Barn DSP #10-Pa behind it! Just found this under the History of Elverson Pa. The Old Dolfingers Milk Depot had a very Bad explosion in in 1934. The Building reopened as the Old Orchard Distillery in 1935 Makers of Straight Peach brandy and Apple Jack and continued till the early 1950's when it became a sewing Factory and the Building where the Constoga Peach Brandy was Distilled is now the Factory / Show room for Vixen Hill Gazebos.
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Continental After they bought Kinsey kept most of the Labels going that Kinsey Had and in the Pictures on the page before here they must have kept getting the Distillate of Peaches and having Kinsey Bottle them in the Old Bottle House that they later used for all their Liquors. Boy I bet that was some good Tasting Brandy and with some power in it also and a Neat Name Conestoga Straight Peach Brandy. Elverson is a small town going up Rt 23 toward Lancaster you turn off RT 100 out of Pottstown and it is about 15 Miles out the road it is just before Morgantown Pa. Looking at the Label Picture on the page before this it was 86 Proof Straight Peach Brandy and clearly says Bottled at Kinsey Distillery so it was for sure done in the old Kinsey Bottle House as all the large bottling jobs were at that time done at Continentals Bottling house at Bigler & Swanson Streets in Phila and they used that Bottle house for all their Whiskeys till when the Linfield bottling house at Kinsey was done in Late 1965 and opened in 1966!
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dave ziegler
07-22-2008, 04:40
I was thinking this morning how different things were working in the 1960's at Kinsey. We were expected to work safe with out a million signs notices or being watched all the time and we did. We knew not to steal and for the most part no one did. We had them big open mash tanks there where we rang out filled with water and no one had to be told to not to fall in. Those days I think one of the reasons we enjoyed our jobs there was we took personal responibility for ourselves and the Company just expected us to! Today Companys treat employees like little kids and People do some of the most dumb things in the world! Those were simple days then. We would ask the Boss in the yard gang John Zuber what he wanted each of us to do and we did it. Anything from sweeping the Fire escapes stairs down to moving Mr Bryants lawn down at the kinsey house by the river. I had access to every Building in the Plant on the yard crew and I offten walked around the old #12 Still on breaks. We worked when we were supposed to and no one had to keep watch on us. As a Kid My Dad told me when you start to work you work and that is it and I think for the most part people in that time did just that worked and were proud of working and doing their Job. Everyone That is still iving I talk to about Kinsey all say the same thing what a great Place it was to work. There are times when I wish I could have been there when the still was still going but I did get some taste of the whiskeys made there out of old Warehouse E where I had my first Rye and those stills made some Dam good Whiskeys Old Warehouse E was like a larger Bunker of Bourbons and Ryes from DSP-10 & Dsp 12! I talked to someone a week or so ago who lived across the road from the distillery and he said when I was a Kid there was no more Beatuiful looking Plant anywhere in Pa. He talked about the lawns and the Flower beds and the trees. It was like working in a beatiful Park and the river breezes were very cool and nice being it sits on a penicula. The cement Road in there has out lived all the roads around in town it is so well made with 1 1/2 inch rods running in the cemment after all these years it had never bluged up from frost but remains fine. All a testament to Continental Distilling doing things right under Si Neuman. With Mr Neuman it was always Big and well made and kept. I can still see him coming down the plant road in his Rolls Bently him and his Race dog and stopping to say hello to people. Great memories of great days gone by! Note Old warehouse E was the wood and Brick one Next to the old Bottle house and #10 still building I put pictures of the racks on the tour with Phils fan and Fricky of Warehouse E.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-24-2008, 06:40
Last night I went By Kinsey and it always seems so weird to go by and not see all the plant lights burning. It is such a big Place the lights used to light up the sky at night for miles. Also coming into either direction you back then would see the front and back water towers with Publicker Industires written on them, sadly time has washed that away as time has brought riun to the place. Many of the people who lived during those days are now gone and alot of people don't even know the place ever was! About a year ago I stopped at a Yard sale on the other side of the river the back of the peoples house faced the back of the plant I said to the lady I worked at the Distillery behind your House when I was a Kid she said oh is that what it was I just thought it was a bunch of old Buildings! From being the largest employer in three countys to a bunch of old Buildings such is History if not kept alive, and yet for 600 people back then it meant a way to buy a home a car, food on the table and any other needs you had. We worked hard but it was a clean Honest way to earn money and we were paid very well for those times. People came down from the Coal reagions of Pa to get a house and work at Kinsey. We never had to worry about if we would get our pay it was there every Friday. And if you did your Job you had a job for life! People Like Frank Kurtas, Shorty Tyson, Dickie Pfeiffer,and Charlie Sipler worked there over 40 yrs! Ludy worked there 44 years. And enjoyed his job till the end. Working at Kinsey was like viewing life, so many different people with so many differnt hopes and plans. And Products that were really good and alot of times under rated. I looked at an old picture book about Liquor and distilling and it listed great Companys of the old days and nothing about Continental, which made me want to toss it! Continental was one of the greatest enterprises ever in the Distilling Bussiness yet seems forgotten that is why I hope some day to write a book about it all! When I worked there I never dreaded going to work I can't say that for my job yrs later for 18 yrs one of the worlds worst places to work and ran by a small family it was terrible! Time will someday show what an amazing Man Mr Si Neuman was and his father inlaw Harry Publicker, they were Men of Vision and they got things done and many people had great lives because of their Vision. This is something we need most badly in America Vision! As they said on the old TV Show The Lone Ranger- lets return to those thrilling days of Yesterday and Publicker Rides again!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-31-2008, 05:14
Days were so differant back when I worked at Kinsey, I offten would see one or two cars go by me going to work till I got to the road to there. And many of the 600 poeple that worked there came by bus from Phila as the Cpmpany supplied a bus to bring up the ones that had many years at the Old Phila Bigler Street Bottling house once the new one opened at Kinsey! The smells of Whiskey filled the air in the Bottling house and the 12 Lines seemed to just run endlessly those days. I remember Early in the Morning in the fall months there were always box cars leaving full across the river bridge the company owned and then 3 new ones would be brought along the docks to be loaded. They would fill them all the way to the top with Bourbons, Gins, Scotchs and Blended Whiskeys also they would truck boxes of Liquors from the Old Bottle house over and load them too. Till about a few days before Christmas every Year this would Happen and there was so much going on it was exciting being there! When winter would come out of the old cold Barn mantaince building the guys would be going all over the plant fixing leaks in the steam Lines which ran on uprights all throught the whole Plant. There were around 250 to 275 poeple working in the big Bottling house on each shift first and second! In winter another job we had on the Yard gang was cleaning up snow after storms it was a busy time as we had trucks coming in for loads of Whiskeys even as the Box cars were being loaded as there was room for 3 or 4 trucks or more at a time besides the Box cars to be loaded at the Bottling house Docks. It is very strange for me to walk there now and see nothing but abandonment there. It is like everyone left after work and never returned which is what happened. In the bottling house are old Refridges with peoples lunchs from 22 yrs ago. They just turned everything off and left forever. I still wish I knew just what they did after Mr Neuman died that led to this! Clearly they did not know how to run things and put bad people in mangagement, and the Hostil takeover by stock and quiting making drinking whiskey to just do Industrial stuff only and selling Kinsey Linfield and renting back the tankage and bottle house were a very Big Mistake that put them under control of the man who bought the place and after they closed, He sealed it and left it to fall in riun! He just left it to fall apart and then when the old Historic buildings were still in great shape they could have made the front part into a living History Museum but no one did anything. That is the hardest part for me to see a hole were Old #12 stood and and the tunnel were we would eat our Luch those happy days all gone! I will always remeber Kinsey Distillery and those great days gone by!
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dave ziegler
08-02-2008, 17:12
Here are a few more plant and 1966 Bottling house pictures I got. Like a Moth to a flame I just can't stay away from Kinsey so went back for the first time since I took Fricky and Phils fan there! Went in to total darkness in the 1966 bottlinghouse and got some pictures alot did not turn out but here are some that did. Had to wear a mask as the air was moldy and bad but when it comes to History I want to shot all the pictures I can! Pictures in Order are
1. Old Well with Pump at Building O
2. Looking at the buildings from dock of Building P
3 thru 7. Inside the 1966 Bottling house shot in total darkness. Picture 7. is in the fenced in black tanks at the far end of the bottling house walking out on the metal flooring these tanks used to hold the different Products, Whiskey, Gin, Vodka, Bourbon, and Scotch. The pictures I put on of the lines that were marked come from these tanks!
8. Back fire escape of Building O at back Government Building this is like everything on O different then all the others.
I walked through total darkness and very bad air but I want to get every Picture I can to save of Kinsey so people can see what the place was like!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-04-2008, 06:54
Here are a few more plant and 1966 Bottling house pictures I got. Like a Moth to a flame I just can't stay away from Kinsey so went back for the first time since I took Fricky and Phils fan there! Went in to total darkness in the 1966 bottlinghouse and got some pictures alot did not turn out but here are some that did. Had to wear a mask as the air was moldy and bad but when it comes to History I want to shot all the pictures I can! Pictures in Order are
1. Old Well with Pump at Building O
2. Looking at the buildings from dock of Building P
3 thru 7. Inside the 1966 Bottling house shot in total darkness. Picture 7. is in the fenced in black tanks at the far end of the bottling house walking out on the metal flooring these tanks used to hold the different Products, Whiskey, Gin, Vodka, Bourbon, and Scotch. The pictures I put on of the lines that were marked come from these tanks!
8. Back fire escape of Building O at back Government Building this is like everything on O different then all the others.
I walked through total darkness and very bad air but I want to get every Picture I can to save of Kinsey so people can see what the place was like!
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Just a quick note on Picture # 1 it is one of many wells at the Plant this one was for water that was distilled for some of the Products at Building O. There is also a well right beside Warehouse H 1937 just across from the 1966 Bottling House. Also picture # 6 if you look back in my Picture you will see the tanks on each side in that tunnel Picture at the far side of the Bottling Plant. In the last years many of them were used to hold Antifreeze which they bottled there for all the major companys till 1986 from 1980.
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dave ziegler
08-04-2008, 07:16
Here is a shot of the tanks in Picture 6 on page #146 that I took the other day. This shot from someone else not me will get some better shots when I can. This picture does not show them at a good angle they go all the way down to the ground there at the far end of the 1966 Bottling house. and the shot I took in picture 6 is walking at ground level through tunnel outside on the Metal gangway of grating! This shot was taken from a roof across the Bottle house roof to the far end water laying on roof and tanks coming way up above the Roof from the ground.
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dave ziegler
08-05-2008, 18:21
I am sitting here drinking my second shot of Old Hickory and thinking about what a great Bourbon it is now drinking it as a vintage Bourbon. Its flavor keeps saying have another and I answer the call. Its smoothness just makes it roll down with great ease. I can remember the state stores always having the shelves full of it and going there buying it and telling the clerk I work for them with pride! If I was broke I would get a half pint or Pint if things were going good a fifth or quart. I always bought it even after I left there and I will always think of it with joy and enjoy it when I find some which is not easy but thanks to Kurt I still have some and getting a little more soon! TO me Publicker was and always will be the most prolic company when it comes to all kinds of Whiskeys and Gins ,Scotchs and Vodkas. How I wish that someone with some ideas would have steped up when Mr Si Neuman Died. He will always be one of my all time Hero's a man with vision kindness and a man who was not afraid to try the unssual and never look back. He was a very great Man and I am proud that I worked for him may God rest his soul. Kinsey to me was the most Beautiful place a person could work it was like working in a beautiful park with cool breezes coming from the river and trees and flowers everywhere. Wild life walking acorss the company road and a great pay for a kid who coming out of High school never relised that he would work at such a great place! My memories will always be good of my Wonderful Kinsey Distillery. Everytime I go there my heart hurts for the days of old. If I was rich I would open it up again no matter what the cost. I am and always will be Thankful to have worked there, to have seen Mr Neuman and to have been blessed by my many friends there. May these memories go on long after I am gone! One last thing Old hickory is truely Magnificent they had that completely RIGHT!
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BourbonJoe
08-06-2008, 11:27
Dave,
You mave mentioned it before but I don't remember, who was the Master Distiller at Kinsey when you were there?
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
08-08-2008, 10:12
Dave,
You mave mentioned it before but I don't remember, who was the Master Distiller at Kinsey when you were there?
Joe :usflag:
Joe took me a day or so but wanted to check my Information again! First when I worked at Kinsey the stills DSP # 12 & #10 were shut down so I do not right now know who the Master Distiller was in Philadelphia at DSP#1 but when Kinsey reopened in Fall 1933 Jacob G Kinsey Was the Master Distiller till fall 1939 and after Publicker Bought it fall 1939. From Fall 1939 the Master Distiller was Horace Landis the father of Al Landis Mr Kinsey's great Nephew I have met when I spoke about Kinsey. Horace ran the Still as master Distiller till early 1951 when it was shut down by Publicker and all Distilling done at DSP #1 Philadelphia. I just talked to my 90 year Old Friend Ludy to make sure I had this right and he said this is right. Ludy as I have said started there in 1936 for Mr Kinsey and worked there till 1980 or 81! One last note after DSP # 12 shut down Mr Horace Landis the Master Distiller stayed on as a security man because Continental wanted someone to keep an eye on people to keep them from drinking when they were not suposed to and later retired from Kinsey! Not only did Mr Horace Landis's Son Al now 90 work there, but Al's Son Ken same age as me worked there when I did and was and is a friend of mine!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-10-2008, 08:59
I think one of the biggest mistakes Continental made in the last few years before Mr Neuman died was the tearing out of the traditional barrel racks in all the Explosion proof Warehouses and going to the stacking of Barrels of Whiskey in piles standing up. They had their Coopers plant in Del county making all those 300 gal giant wood Barrels and as Ludy who was a cooper many years told me they leaked so darn bad, and the whiskey was much better with the barrel on its side to get maxium flowing on the charred stays of the barrels. Ludy said it was really hard trying to tighten the hoops on those Big Barrels and it took 2 to 3 People to move them on the pile. When I took Phils fan and Fricky through Kinsey we saw one of those Old 300 gal. Barrel hoops laying with scrap down where one of the old Steer pens had been. When I go to Kinsey it is like walking through a old scrap book I see what was and not what is. I see the things of old through memories in my Mind and everytime I go there I remember something else from the past. In the old days Kinsey was always buying old cars to have a supply to be able to travel the plant and some of the cars I remember are--Bonda's 1951 Pylmouth savoy, the 3 1941 Ford Flat trucks, the 1951 Ford Pickup we used on the yard gang, a 1955 Dodge flat truck to take crews from warehouse to warehouse. Also an old Caddy around 1954, Charlies old ford frame with a pickup back on it. And the old 1953 White super power truck that had Therm Ice Division of Publicker Ind on the tractor and the trailer that brought barrels full of whiskeys every week to be put in racks or the big ones stacked on piles. A man Named Joe drove up each week with the loads and one time he showed me how to back a tractor trailer in then let me do it. I later in my Life became a truck driver for about 20 yrs. And sitting as shown in one of my pictures is the old 1958 Ford truck parked next to the Bottling house as if it is waiting to be loaded to haul stuff around the plant it was parked never to run again and on the door in faded letters it says Continental Distilling Corp Linfield, Pa Division of Publicker Ind! When I look at it I think how can kinsey sit like this passed over and in ruin. One Night the truck was parked key put away and it never was started again and sat while endless Kids smashed it and other things not caring of the history and with no knowledge of what a great place Kinsey was for 600 People that worked there!
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cowdery
08-12-2008, 15:46
Dave,

I don't know if you've seen this (http://www.johnsonbrothers.com/social_responsibility/) before, but I knew you would want to.

The Johnsons are long-time distributors out of Minnesota, affiliated by family ties with Philips, a Minnesota producer. But apparently they did big business with Kinsey back in the day.

dave ziegler
08-12-2008, 17:46
Dave,

I don't know if you've seen this (http://www.johnsonbrothers.com/social_responsibility/) before, but I knew you would want to.

The Johnsons are long-time distributors out of Minnesota, affiliated by family ties with Philips, a Minnesota producer. But apparently they did big business with Kinsey back in the day.
Wow Chuck Thank you very Much that is very interesting and I had never heard of or knew about them Now I am hoping to try and get the Picture of that truck off the web somehow! I really thank you for that, I sure do not know everything about Kinsey and anytime I find out something it is great. I am always happy to find new interesting things about people who handled Kinsey Products
Thanks again Chuck and BE WELL--!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-13-2008, 04:33
Many Thanks to Chuck Cowdery for finding the story about Johnson Bros as I was able to get this Picture from the page of a 1953 Chevy truck with Old Hickory & Kinsey on it as they distributed Continental's Products. I am also going to call them to see if I can buy a good copy of this picture for my History Collection as I do not have any pictures of trucks with Continentals Distilling Brands. I would think being out in Minn that they got there stocks from our Bottling house in Lemont IL. And we were a faily Big name out there! Also a New Motto I did not know about " Join The Swing To Kinsey"
Again Thanks Much Chuck I admit I was excited seeing this truck Picture and the story. I have written many times to the Lemont IL Historic Society and even sent them Continental brand Bottles which they were very Happy to have but they Never got back to me with any Information about our Bottling House out there other then to tell me it was a fairly big one not near as big as Kinsey but a large one!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-17-2008, 16:10
Went back to Kinsey this weekend and got some more Pictures here are some pictures of the old grain building this was the last one to process before it went to be distilled.
Pictures one through eight are of the machinery in the building worm gears and vats and picture 9. is the front side of the grain building facing the spot where DSP Pa. #12 Stood
Picture 10 close up of a grain vat in the building
Picture 11 looking from the grain building to where the old Tunnel used to be at the bottom of the still
Picture 12 Looking where DSP Pa #12 used to stand
Picture 13. is the side of the grain building
Picture 14. is where the trains came in from the bridge over the river to the Bottling house and the warehouses
Picture 15. is the side of the 1966 Bottling house looking from the grain building
I have alot more pictures to post including ones from DSP Pa. #10 and the Old Bottling house I will be posting later this week.
Note if you look close to Picture five you can see where one worm gear crosses and drops grain into the one going to where the still stood.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-20-2008, 06:17
Here are some new pictures from Kinsey of The Old DSP-Pa. 10 Rye Building where they distilled Kinsey Rye and Rittenhouse Rye after Continental bought Kinsey these are more of the pictures I took last Sat in there. There are some shots with stencil writting on the wood beams and Ladder.
Shots 1 through 3 are the wooden Platforms for the Still tanks
Shot 4 says Quick aged Whiskey
Shot 5 Says Kinsey
shot 6 says Kinsey DSP 10 Rye Whiskey
shot 7 states bonded Loaded by cio 163 Union
shot 8 looked to be an early dump trouth it runs under the floor to the old Bottling house
shot 9.the far wall with pipes
shot 10 more of the Platforms to tanks
shot 11 more tank platforms
shot 12 Says quick aged Whiskey on a beam above
I have lots more shots from this trip including crawing into the old Bottle house and old warhouse out front I will post more soon. One more quick note The Kinsey Dsp-Pa -10 Rye Still was a old Barn as you can see by the walls that was built around 1892 by Jacob Kinsey!
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fricky
08-20-2008, 07:40
Dave,
Do you know what was meant by "Quick aged Whiskey" in photograph #4?
Doug

mozilla
08-20-2008, 08:00
From what I remember, Kinsey did a lot of experimentation within their giant complex. They made every type of alcohol and bottled every style there in.

Some of the whiskies they produced used wood chips and cross members to add surface area to the chared wood. Kinsey had their own cooperage and at least three facilities making parts for their barrels. The Kinsey family was very industrious and far reaching in those days. They were "in deep" in the biz. They went in full force in any endevour that could possibly leverage their weight in the industry.

fricky
08-20-2008, 15:38
Did they heat the aging warehouses to accelerate aging?
Doug

mozilla
08-20-2008, 17:53
I believe so....IIRC, Dave has some pics of the heating units. I remember alot of lines running through some of the buildings.

From what I have learned from Dave....these fellas at Publicker/Continental weren't just on the ball...they were a Power Player on the scene for volume and innovation. They were really ahead of the curve in light whisky...before it was set to be released by the ATF for distribution...they sold a large amount to BF to become their Frost 8/80, which was supposed to revolutionize the bar biz. A whisky that could be used like a rum or vodka. All light whisky and such were big flops. But, none the less Publicker made that sale of product to BF and it was 8yr old at the time...now that's being ahead by more than a few years.

dave ziegler
08-24-2008, 14:50
After Prohibition Publicker had a Lab Director who was a specailist in making Quick Light Whiskey, it was Publickers thinking that if this was going to be a big thing they would start rightaway. It did not but as with many things they were there right at the begining coming around the first curb! I have to look up in my Information book and Get his name as I have it somewhere! Mr Neuman was always doing things at the beginning and not afraid to try something new! He was one of the very first to petition the Gov to be able send whiskey Barrels to Scotland to be filled with Scotch. Here are some Pictures I took the other week of the old Wood and Brick warehouse behind the Dsp-pa-10 rye still and some pictures inside the Old Kinsey Bottling house where they Bottled Liquor's till 1979!
Note Picture 9 a Old time Dump Trouth under the wreckage of the part of the Bottling house that Kids set on Fire at one time. Says Dump Trouth. Pic 1 is the rails to roll Barrles from the old warehouse to Old Bottle house or to roll them from the still to be put in the racks pic 2,3,4,5,6 Old Wood racks in Old Warehouse behind Old Bottle house. Pic 7,8, tanks in Old Bottle house Anionic & Cationic
Pic 10 & 11 first floor of the old Kinsey Bottle house
Pic 12 note trap door from second floor where cases used to be sent down to put bottles back in on first floor after they were filled!
Pic 13 farthest Back room of old bottle house on first floor right at the road out front.
Pic 14 Warehouse beside the Old Bottling house.
I still have some Plant pictures from the Latest trip there and plan on going back soon!
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fricky
08-24-2008, 15:49
Is it safe to assume that "quick light whiskey" was lower proof whiskey aged for a shorter time?
Doug

mozilla
08-24-2008, 16:50
Light whisky is distilled at a higher proof than bourbon whisky standards. It starts to impeed on the vodka/gns regulations.

dave ziegler
08-25-2008, 15:09
Here are some more of the pictures I took at Kinsey the other week Plus I went to See my 90 Year Old Friend Ludy today and he found the Original Aerial Photo given Him By His boss Mr Bill Theodois Of Continental Distilling in the 1950's, of when Mr Kinsey Had The Original taken of the plant in 1937 the first one I copied was the 1937 One Continental used after they bought Kinsey given Employees in 1940 Take note the Original Has Mr Kinsey's Philadelphia Office Adress on the bottom the other Picture that Continental used after buying Kinsey has that croped off! Pic 2 Is where the Trains came in frome the Kinsey Rail Bridge over the river. Pic 3. The Old house Out front that Company man George Dill Lived in for Many years and the Plant Nurse that drank Bourbon in her Coffee had her office in a couple of rooms on the ground floor in. pic 4. Grain Buildings. Pic 5. Grain Silo, Pic 6. Back side of Warehouse H which was being built in 1937 on the Kinsey Picture. 7.Another side of Building H. 8.Looking up through the Plant. 9. Sign on Building M. 10. Front water tower. 11. & 12. Water Distilling equipment Building O. 13.The Pine Tree I used to mulch back when I worked in the yard gang that was a tiny tree back then. 14.15. 16. Pictures of the warehouse's. I looked up the artical I had about Light Whiskey's it states Light whiskey's are darker then Scotch, Paler then Bourbon Distilled at High Proof and cut to and sold at 80 to 86 Proof . Very Smooth and and Highly drinkable flavor Like a Good Canadian Whiskey can be aged in New or Used Barrels like Scotch and Light Whiskey can be used to cut Blended Whiskeys instead of Neutrol's. This is a old Artical from 1968 I have and they where talking about them becoming available that year. That I guess would be what the Quick Whiskey Idea had in mind but back in the Late 1930's after Prohibition Continental Had a scientist working on fast aging of Whiskey I am still looking for the artical I Have with the Scientists name on it but Publicker / Continental was working on it back long before the 1960'd Light Whiskey times.
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fricky
08-25-2008, 16:44
Dave,
The chemist was probably Dr. Carl Haner. He is referenced in John and Linda Lipman's review of Continental Distilling Corporation, Publicker Industries, Inc. It is very interesting. Got to:

www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm

Doug

dave ziegler
08-25-2008, 17:02
Dave,
The chemist was probably Dr. Carl Haner. He is referenced in John and Linda Lipman's review of Continental Distilling Corporation, Publicker Industries, Inc. It is very interesting. Got to:

www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm (http://www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm)

Doug
Yes Fricky That is Him I had an old Continental Paper somewhere and that is the Man they talked about Doing the tests for Quick & Light Whiskey! Thanks That saves me ripping everything apart to try and find the artical. Not sure Where I put it.He was suposed to be a genious in Science Work but Nothing after that is ever said of Him. As Jeff said Publicker / Continental Distilling was way ahead of everyone in trying stuff. They were the first to ask the Gov let to them use Barrels from Whiskey to make scotch . Shipping them to their plant in Scotland After the Whiskey was dumped. Light Whiskey as I said was also suposed to be used in Blended Whiskey instead of Neutrol Spirits. They where going to cut its Proof with water and sell it at about 80 to 86 Proof. It was supposed to be very easy to sit and drink highly smooth would just roll right down. Old Crow had one they where going to bring out in 1968 called Old Crow Light!
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Jono
08-26-2008, 13:17
Dave, is this in the area of Kinsey?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410508,00.html

Government Officials Confirm Cancer Cluster Within 20-Mile Stretch of Pennsylvania

Between Hazelton and Tamaqua...80 mi NW of Philly....in area of Superfund sites.

mozilla
08-26-2008, 13:42
No. Kinsey was about half way back towards Phili.

dave ziegler
08-27-2008, 06:43
Dave, is this in the area of Kinsey?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410508,00.html

Government Officials Confirm Cancer Cluster Within 20-Mile Stretch of Pennsylvania

Between Hazelton and Tamaqua...80 mi NW of Philly....in area of Superfund sites.
Kinsey is about 50 to 60 miles from there on the River in Linfield pa. There is very Little Polution there other then some antifreeze and Asbestos There is some stuff on the river bank that came from the Metal manufactures up in Pottstown and Reading from the 1972 Flood but nothing real bad at all at Kinsey! When I worked there we were told put nothing in the ground or the river and we never Did!
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fricky
08-29-2008, 07:43
I am attaching a few interesting items concerning Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey. The first two are of a post card showing an artist's rendition of The Angelo Myers Distillery in Linfield, PA. There is no date on the card; however, the card had to be produced between 1907 and 1915. The third is a photograph of The Angelo Myers Distillery Philadelphia Office at 311-313 N. Third Street. The photograph is from: Engelhardt, George Washington, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, The Book of Its Bourse & Co-operating Bodies, Philadelphia, Lippincott Press, 1898-99., p. 239. I don't understand the relationship between Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey Distillery.

dave ziegler
08-30-2008, 05:24
I am attaching a few interesting items concerning Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey. The first two are of a post card showing an artist's rendition of The Angelo Myers Distillery in Linfield, PA. There is no date on the card; however, the card had to be produced between 1907 and 1915. The third is a photograph of The Angelo Myers Distillery Philadelphia Office at 311-313 N. Third Street. The photograph is from: Engelhardt, George Washington, Philadelphia Pennsylvania, The Book of Its Bourse & Co-operating Bodies, Philadelphia, Lippincott Press, 1898-99., p. 239. I don't understand the relationship between Angelo Myers Distillery and Kinsey Distillery.
Hey Fricky can you e Mail me the Angelo Myers office Picture it is something I have never seen. and would love to print it and put it on the wall with my collection! I have a copy of the Post card I got from the Historic Society here in Limerick It was in the years you spoke of and is not completely right in its grapics but very close to how it looked! Artists tend to get carried away and change things a little to suit themselfs but it is almost exactly how it was layed out then. From what I have read lately It seems Angelo Myers was a Liquor Merchant and he must have left Mr Kinesy Use his name at that time being well known as Mr Kinsey Always owned the Plant till He sold to Publicker in late 1939. My Wooden Whiskey case from 1909 says both Angelo Myers and Kinsey Distillery.
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fricky
08-30-2008, 05:35
Hi Dave,
I can send a copy to your home e-mail address, if you give it to me. Otherwise, you could print a copy of the picture posted here by right clicking on it. I am trying to learn the relationship between Angelo Myers and Kinsey. Was Kinsey a master distiller that worked for Myers or did Myers simply buy his whiskey and sell it as if they distilled it? Do you have any additional documentation concerning that relationship?
Doug

dave ziegler
08-30-2008, 15:21
Fricky I am going to call Kinsey's 90 yr old Nephew Al Landis and ask him what he knows about Angelo Myers hopefully he can help but there is one thing I know for sure as Al Landis and Ludy who both worked there after Prohibition for Mr Kinsey Have Told Me Jacob G Kinsey was always the master Distiller till Continental Distilling bought the Place Then Al Landis his Nephew became the Master Distiller!
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fricky
08-30-2008, 17:20
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the information. I look forward to any additional information you learn concerning Angelo Myers.
Doug

dave ziegler
09-01-2008, 08:14
Here is the rest of the Story as told me by Al Landis. Jacob G Kinsey Married Edna Longacher and Al Landis's Grandfather Henry Landis Married Annie Longacher they were sisters and that is how Al's family is related to Jacob G Kinesy! In 1933 Jacob G Kinsey came to see Hoarce Landis son of Henry Landis and Al's Father he wanted Hoarce to come work for him reopening the Kinsey Distillery Mr Kinsey was 75 yrs, old and taught Hoarce Landis to be a master Distiller. The #12 Still was a Continueous Still and the #10 was a Batch Still as told me by Al. Hoarce would come in every morning at 6:00-AM and run the #12 still till about noon each day. production back then was 80 barrels a day. Mr Kinsey hired Al at 17 yrs old to help with barreling and racking Barrels once things got going. When Hoarce came in at 6:00-AM Mr Kinsey would come over every morning before eating His Breakfast and go to the Boiler room to make sure the man running it had 100 pound of steam up before they started the #12 still. Mr Kinsey had two childeren A Girl named Edna and a Son named Nuewt. Al Told Me he racked the first 20,000 barrels of Whiskey in Warehouse out front next to where the Old Bottle house later built by Jacob Kinsey is.
AL Landis & a Man named Oscar Tyson dumped the very first Barrels of Whiskey to be bottled there after Prohibition. They bottled them at that time in the Building that had the old Batch still in it the Kinsey Dsp-pa- #10 Rye Still, the Building a large Barn like building of which I have put many pictures in these Threads. Al Landis left Kinesy after 5 yrs His Father Hoarce remained the Master Distiller at Kinsey after Continental bought the place in fall 1939 and ran it till early 1951 when it was shut down in favor of the newer still's Continental had in Phila. Hoarce continued to work there and retired in 1963 after working security for Continental during his last years there he was very well Liked By Si Neuman and in late 1963 / 1964 Mr Neuman talked Hoarce Landis into coming back out of Retirement for a bit and going over to Scotland to help set the Still's he was building up and training men to be master Disitiller's there. Al's son Ken was in the service then in Germany and one day Mr Neuman was over there he asked Hoarce is there anything special I can do for you for all the work you have done to make this a sucess. Hoarce told him About his grandson Ken being in Germany and Mr Neuman paid to have him flown to Germany from Scotland to visit his grandson. After the stills were working good around 8 months or so Hoarce came home and retired for good. Three Generations of Landis's worked At Kinsey Hoarce his whole life, Al 5 yrs things got slow and he was laid off and went to work for Packard and Ken Landis my friend from the days I worked there who worked around 20 + yrs there till it closed in 1986 after bottling Antifreeze there and other industrial products. Al Told Me as I have said Si Neuman Loved the Linfield Plant and hoped to build new modern Stills there very soon but age caught up with him and he passed and not long after Kinsey Closed forever. Al also Told me that back in the Angelo Myers days Mr Myers was always sponcering the Boy scouts in Linfield and contiuned many years after leaving Kinsey due to Prohibition. Al Told me Grand Pop Jake that is what they all called Jacob Kinsey was a very kind man who if you worked for him would do all he could to be of Help to you. All He wanted was a fair days work and if things got done early you would go home and get the full days pay every time. He had one thing in his mind when he reopened at 75 Yrs old and that was to make Kinsey a Whiskey People would be proud to drink!
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dave ziegler
09-01-2008, 08:37
Mr Kinsey was a very hard working man even at 75 yrs old and as I wrote earlier was up and down to visit the still every morning at 6:00-AM. He was not ready to let age keep the Kinsey Name from becoming one of the best makers of Whiskey and his dream not coming true. He knew with the end of Prohibition that The People who had drank Kinsey would come back if it returned to the Market! And His Kinsey Penna Rye was till prohibition becoming a very well liked Rye one of the best around in Pa. It went on to sell very well and only the fact of Age 80's and money lost alot when he had to close at Prohibition caused him to have to sell it to Continental Distilling. Continental had started in 1913 and was big enough it just went to making all industrial Alcohols till Proohibition ended and made alot of Money as theirs were the very best of Industrial Alcohol's.
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dave ziegler
09-02-2008, 06:24
The One thing that was told to me over and over By Al Landis was that GrandFather Jake what they call him wanted at all costs for His Whiskeys to be The Very Best that Could be Made not good but BEST and all his living Days He tried his best. And That is Why on the Bottles that were made it stated Mr Kinseys personally garenttied them! His word was his bond and Cost did not matter if It meant a great Whiskey be it Rye or the others! And because of his want of Quality Contiental used his Promise for years on Kinsey Silver and Gold Whiskeys after they bought the Plant and the lable brands!
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dave ziegler
09-02-2008, 17:56
Here is a shot of the Picture from an Old Broshure I had Jeff put this on from the broshure but since then I have blown it up on the copier at work and now posting it hoping it is good enough to see all of the Plant as this is a pictuure from early 1986 when Publicker was doing Antifreeze and other Alcohol things there it is from a Broshure titled The Place With Space! It is a complete Aerial Shot of the Plant if it is not good I will try again as this gives you an Idea How big the place is.
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dave ziegler
09-03-2008, 03:42
Here is a shot of the Picture from an Old Broshure I had Jeff put this on from the broshure but since then I have blown it up on the copier at work and now posting it hoping it is good enough to see all of the Plant as this is a pictuure from early 1986 when Publicker was doing Antifreeze and other Alcohol things there it is from a Broshure titled The Place With Space! It is a complete Aerial Shot of the Plant if it is not good I will try again as this gives you an Idea How big the place is.
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Just a bit before Publicker left the Kinsey Plant they had this Aerial picture of most of the plant above thread put on a Broshure made up trying to get People to rent or lease space there. I was lucky enough to find one Old Broshure that was with others rotting in the Bottle house in one of the offices the booklet spoke of all the room there and lots of room to build other things also. It as I said before was called

" The Place With Space " I am going to dig it out from where I have it and take some more pictures of its pages.
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dave ziegler
09-04-2008, 14:01
Just a quick Note about the racks in the Explosion Proof Warehouses and the Warehouses They were made of the strongest steel of that time, The Warehouses were built just before WWII started and were offical Bomb Shelters during the war. In their time they were the State of art. Continental had all the lastest idea's in them including some heat and some venting and air moving Fans the strongest Cement Terricota floors about 2 foot thick with 3/4 steel rods in the Cement. They as I show way back here on this thread had a thermostat so if you were in there working you could bring the heat up a little bit. Each was spaced the same amount away from each other to prevent the chance of Fire going to the next one in line.
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dave ziegler
09-05-2008, 06:58
A 7:00-AM normal day taking Barrels from the racks would be our crew getting Papers stating what lots to pull and from what buildings. They could be from one end of the plant to another and also which of the Warehouses with a dump trough we were to dump at. Then we would pull the barrels roll them to the dock to be loaded on the 1941 Ford Flat trucks a peice of wood stuck under the last barrel that load maybe 10 barrels or so per load per all 3 trucks they would be hauled to the dump building and unloaded by a smaller crew which would line them up
according to Number and lot. Once we had pulled all the Barrels we would go to the Dump building and get the barrels staged in Lot numbers for dumping and they had to be dumped just as the Papers stated not one barrel lot wrong! Then we would roll each barrel up making sure it and all the rest would come up at dump possition on the trough. Once this was done if there was time left we would get a start on the next days lots till 15 minutes to quiting time 3:30 PM. The days went fast and there were always enough of us so no one worked to hard.

We were given Coveralls from the company and good leather gloves it was a dirty Job the barrels after sitting for years had dirt and rust on them and you could get your hand on a sharp edge so they took good care of us. They also got us shoes for almost nothing from the old Shoe repair Shoe store in Pottstown back then so all our needs were met including Heavy WWI type Winter Sub Zero Coats to wear when It was really cold in and out of the warehouses. Everyone that worked there got a free warm Nice Coat a Light Green color heavy strong material that was sort of water proof also.

How many Companies did that then not many but Publicker Industries always did. That is why if you meet anyone who worked there on the street they will tell you they liked working there, they treated us with respect!
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dave ziegler
09-10-2008, 16:49
I don't know how many of you have ever been it a warehouse full of Filled aging Wishey Barrels that has been closed for many days or weeks. It was one of the very best of my Memories there is nothing like the pure smell of heavy Whiskey fumes! The air filled with blue vapors it was always something I enjoyed very much! Then the Dumping and smellling the whiskey being poured in the trough It was a job I also liked alot. And of course you had sometimes to have a sample for sure. I never really thought about it being anything explosive it just smelled so Dam good. Sometimes it was almost enough to knock you on your Butt. Being there back then I could never have dreamed that the place would go under, it just felt like this was something so skillful and well liked you would never have thought that possible. Back then Our Whiskeys and other products were so good that companys would routinely buy our whiskeys and even have us bottle it for them alot of times. We did many Liqours for Jacquins and sold much in bulk also. If someone would have said Dave Publicker will be out of bussiness in about 15 years after you were gone I would have told them they were nuts. But sadly after Mr Neuman died many bad things happen to Publicker they had bad batches of Whiskey I have some old Papers on that subject and just alot of bad moves and managing.
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dave ziegler
09-16-2008, 05:04
This time of year coming on Oct was always a Very Busy time at Kinsey, more dumping and lots of Bottling going on. Even the Old Kinsey Bottle house was going full tilt making Liqours for the Holidays. Things seemed more Happy those days People seemed to enjoy the little things in Life and we had good days back then keeping busy and enjoying our Jobs. Lots of Coal would be coming in for the Two coal powered Boilers and oil for the Backup boiler. Rail cars full of Pa coal being routed right behind the grain building area to be unloaded. I have met people walking there that had no clue to what the place was and I even had a Kid try to tell me it was a of All Things old Winery I put him in the know quickly. It is so sad to see such a giant place sitting in ruin when I left there it was in great shape and In a way I am glad I was not there to see it die! I can sit and remember all the good times, like the one guy who every break ate sitting on the toilet his name was Jim and you meet all kinds of people in your life. We alway had local Prooducts for us to eat for break, A treat Soda's Allentown Pa, LG Chips Easton Pa. the company believed in using and buying Local products and all our bottles were from Diamond Glass in Royersford pa and some of our Labels from Boyertown Packaging corp both also gone now! Publicker always bought USA stuff and always Local stuff if Possible and always the best of quality our Labels were the best in the industry. The things I have in my collection one of a kind most likely our for me Memories and History and will keep the Company alive even though it is gone.
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Jono
09-19-2008, 08:55
http://www.encyclocentral.com/13042-Publicker_Industries_An_American_Distiller_Of_The_ Past_Century.html

Dave, is this an accurate summary?

"According to a $250 million redevelopment plan the old Publicker site is to be transformed into a superport with terminal facilities for passengers and commercial goods. In 1989 the Environment Protection Agency took legal action against Publicker Industries which agreed to pay $13 million for the clean up. The EPA in partnership with the state and a private redeveloper, Holt Cargo Systems Inc has cleansed the area of all toxic remnants and plans to redevelop the site as prime commercial port area."

dave ziegler
09-19-2008, 09:45
The One thing the EPA never tells is the fact that when Publicker closed they Sold the Plants down in Phila for the mere price of 3 million "worth 10 times more" for 40 acres along the river with a agreement that Overland wrecking would by getting it at the next to nothing price a Legally Drawn written agreement Enviromentaly clean it up so there would be no cost to anyone! I think it was early 1987 when overland went in and were careless and caught things on Fire and before the night was over went into Bankrupsey so even though Publicker had a Lawyer written agreement and sold it for next to nothing to get it cleaned right by them, and till then Overland was supposed to be a very good enviro clean up company.

The Epa made Publicker pay 13 million and never wrote on their site about Overlands getting away with what they did. Holtz Cargo now owns it and got it for next to nothing so Publicker sold it for 3 million and then ended up paying 13 million more and the sad part because they are no more, other then me no one tells the story of How they tried their best to do the right thing and lost big the 13 million killed them from doing anything else and that is the whole story Jono.
I understand that it was a mess but they did everything they could with their loses to get it done and the burdon of the 13 million finished them forever. When they closed it everything was still running and Overland was supposed to keep security there and to be carefull and you had guys torching pipe lines without checking for stuff in them and had a blow up and I think a guy got killed but also the EPA never says about how Overland was supposed to start asap and let it sit for many months with no protection and when they started I think it was the first day they did this and jumped into Bankrupsey.

History will show that Publicker Did all they could and ended up at the bad end anyway. I keep thinking also about the people who did a hostil takeover into the company stock and forced them to stop making drinking Alcohol and then Industrial and buying a Flashlight Company of all things!

As I have said Mnay times if Mr Neuman was Living none of this would have happen it would still be there and cranking out all our awesome brands. They also lost Kinsey and the guy that bought it Lets it rot for 22 yrs now. They had sold it in 1980 and leased / Rented all the tankage and the big Bottling house and as things got worse the Guy just kept on raising the rent till they quit and The Guy who bought it just shut everything off and walked away to leave it to go to ruin 22 yrs now. Mr Neuman if He could see Kinsey would turn over in his grave it was a very special place for him and if he would not have died I believe he would have built a new still there that is why DSP-Pa-12 stood all those years for the grandfather Law and in 1980 Publicker was trying to get the Government to partner in a gaint Gasohaul Plant they had a 70.5 Millon Gal ablity till they shut Phila down. I have an old Sticker that says lets become Fuel indenpdent Publicker Gasohaul fuels!

A Very Sad story of a Once Great Company that always tried their best to do right.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-20-2008, 18:14
On Tuesday I will turn 61 years old and so this weekend I am going back in time drinking what I have left from the Kinsey Distillery. Yesterday I drank two shots of Kinsey Silver from a 1978 bottle given to me By my old Friend from Kinsey Ludy, and a shot of Inver House Scotch from 1978 from a bottle I bought from a neighbor! Tonight I had something that most Likely I am the only one that can have it. It is a famous Kinsey / Continental Distilling Drink called

The Edinburgh Express

It is a shot of Inver House Scotch & A Shot of Peanut Lolita on Ice and it is awesome!
I have always loved our Peanut Lolita and we were the Only Company to make Peanut Liqour. And I am very lucky that even though I do not have many of our Products I do have many cases of Peanut Lolita It is made with Bourbon and Peanuts and it is wonderful!
Alot of people like Hazel nut Liqour to me the Peanut is a million times better. It is 53 Proof and with scotch it is unbelieveable. I have never tired this drink before but it is on noted on the back label so in memory Of Continental I had two tonight! Back it the Day Continental had a bartenders school out in Ca. Tomorrow I will have shot of what is left of my Old Hickory and on Tuesday I will have one of the last shots of my Old Hickory! Today I took a walk through Kinsey again and just remembered the good old days there. Most people know of Our Caffe Lolita but the peanut is the Best one they ever made. I have enough that Most of the rest of my Life I can drink it and I am glad as I do not find much Old Hickory anymore. Everytime I drink one of our brands I remember how good our stuff was. For a blended Whiskey the Kinsey Silver is smooth and very flavorful a little wood in the taste and at 86.5 proof it rolls down very nice. Till Ludy gave me this bottle a Pint bottle I had never had Kinsey and I am glad and thankful to have been able to drink some 30 yr old Kinsey Silver! I will continue to look for Continental Products and hope to find some vintage Old Hickory again soon! It will always be my favorite Bourbon and I think It was one of the Best back in the day!
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Gillman
09-21-2008, 19:58
Thanks Dave for your kind gift, brought to me over this past weekend by Joe and Doug, of some great memorabilia from Publicker. One is an artist's rendering of some lab work and other industrial scenes in the distillery in the "washed out" white and pastel style popular 30 years ago and the other is some blank 100 proof and other strip stamps on a roll and sheet all fresh and new-looking. The first item was a promo hand-out from Packaging Services of Publicker. Real cool and much appreciated, Dave, as were the two Reading beers you included (current re-creations of a 1950's-era beer). I tried one with Koji and we both agreed the beer was old school to be sure! I've got the canned one still and will offer taste notes soon in another thread.

Gary

dave ziegler
09-26-2008, 13:43
New Information about Kinsey I got today From Ludy! Ludy Started at Kinsey in Mid 1936 and worked there till Late 1939 when Jacob G Kinsey went Bankrupt. He then for the rest of 1939 till Early 1941 ran a small car repair right out the road from Kinsey. In Early 1941 Publicker Bought Kinsey at Auction sale and rehired Ludy and Horace Landis Master Distiller and others that had been there.

Till early 1941 the Plant sat closed and nothing done till It could go up for sale. I found this out today when asking Ludy about how many years he was there. If It would not have been closed he would Have 44 yrs but because of the closing time had 42 yrs from 1936 to Nov 1980. All that time Kinsey sat with Whiskey in the Warehouses being watched and waiting for the Government to over see the selling. Once Continental had the Place they started right away to build the Explosion proof Warehouses and fill them and put in all the Fire Safety Systems. And all the ground Keeping and such. This is great Information from Ludy and I am glad I got it. I had called him today as I am having something Made for him to remember his yrs of service I got something from the Plant and I am having it done for me by fricky. When I give it to Ludy I will see if he will let me get his picture with it. Sometimes it takes asking things to find out others as I have Learned. These Old Timers Know so much and i want to get all I can from them while they are here.
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mozilla
09-26-2008, 21:28
Great info, Dave.

So, the big warehouses started being built in the early 40's?

dave ziegler
10-02-2008, 03:45
One of the weirdest things for me is that there are so few old Continental Bottles full or empty around even though they were so big then. I as everyone knows collect all the old Continental Distilling Bottles I can find and when you go to flee markets and yard sales you never see there stuff but you find alot of small distillers stuff from way back. The only thing I can figuer is that because they were the Worlds Largest no one saved their stuff thinking they will always be around. That has to be it as that happens with lots of things people collect and many years later they are rare because no one saved them. Or in the Case of Jim Beam they made so much and people all kept them thinking they would be rare and they are everywhere! I am still trying to get hold of Al Landis to find out if he knows what happen to all the Whiskey that was in Kinsey when Prohibition started, he is about the only one who might know as his Father Hoarce worked there his whole life and when it reopened was the Master Distiller there.
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dave ziegler
10-06-2008, 05:09
Yesterday I gave Ludy a Barrel Stave with Kinsey Distillery and his years of Service there lettered on it and clear coated Thanks to Fricky for making it up for me from a Barrel Stave I got about 3 weeks ago at the Plant! He could Hardly speak. Most of His Years there were being a Cooper and It was him that gave me my Coopers Hammers 40 yrs ago.
I will be getting a picture of Him with his stave soon and post it.

He told me something I did not Know, Lot of Things I don't and that was that the Little grooves at both ends where the Heads go on the staves were called the Croz Next time I visit Him I want to get more some Coopering Information from him. He said putting a barrel together you would fit all the pieces then he had a special Ring Clamp to put on one end then you would Filp it over.

Next put the Middle Hoop or hoops depends on the barrel then the end , tighten them them flip and put the other end one on then it is all in the feel of getting them tight enough to be ready to fill it.

I Remmeber watching him and other coopers there and being Amazed also it was a very Hard job I tried it your Hands hurt after so many Barrels as hitting one Hammer with another.
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fricky
10-07-2008, 08:58
Dave,
I am happy to learn that Ludy liked the Stave.

I would like to know more about the history of whiskey barrel manufacture. Maybe you could ask Ludy a few questions concerning the consistency of the the length and thickness of barrel staves. What was the source of the components? Did their supplier work to specific specifications? Was their a quality control process for insuring component dimension consistency?
Thanks,
Doug

dave ziegler
10-07-2008, 10:54
Fricky and anyone else that wants to Know I just talked to Ludy and The staves and heads were all made at Publickers Cooperage Plant in Marcus Hook Pa. The reason for the different Widths was so you could get the Barrels to the right size. Our Standard barrels when we used the racks were two sizes. 48 gal & 50 gal . When Ludy wanted to learn to be a cooper He went to school at the Marcus Hook Plant they learned how to make all the components to make a barrel. They used tools to put the Croz in the staves to fit the heads. They Learned how to fit them togther with paper thin strips of wood between all the staves and each section of the heads which are wooden Dowed together with these strips. The strips are called Flagan they help to swell the barrel so it does not leak. When he and all the others learning finished the course they had to build their own 6 gal barrel. I remembered after he told me that he had showed me his Barrel He still has it and the Papers for Passing the test in Cooper School. Marcus Hook Plant had many Engineers and many Barrel making machines and tools. The barrels were built there and if needing repairs were fixed at Kinsey. All the parts were made at Marcus Hook and even when they built the 120 Gal and bigger Barrels they were made there, different Lenths were for bigger or smaller size Barrels. From what I have learned at that time Continental Had the biggest Cooperage Plant in the world! I will continue to ask him what I can and he told me his daughter took his picture with the Stave and is going to get it developed and give it to me so I can post it. He turned 90 on Sept 12 of this year.
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fricky
10-07-2008, 11:03
Dave,
Thanks for the additional information. I understand the variation in stave widths; however, I still do not understand the variation in stave thicknesses. It would be interesting to see a picture of the barrel that Ludy made after completeing his training.
Doug

dave ziegler
10-07-2008, 11:57
Dave,
Thanks for the additional information. I understand the variation in stave widths; however, I still do not understand the variation in stave thicknesses. It would be interesting to see a picture of the barrel that Ludy made after completeing his training.
Doug
One more thing I forgot Fricky I knew about it but just plain forgot Publicker also Had a smaller Cooperage Plant in ST Louis Mo. They also Had a Bottling house In Lement Il. It was from the time of The Phila Bottling house and some of my Old Bottles say Lemont Il and Phila and the newer ones post 1966 say Lemont Il and Linfield Pa. They also had a large Chemical Plant in La. And a large Lab in Edystone Pa. and one on Chestnut St in Phila!
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dave ziegler
10-08-2008, 06:01
One of the Hardest Jobs I had once I was bumped in the Warehouse was stacking the new 120 & bigger Barrels.
They were so big they almost were round like metal barrels would be. We had to lift them on the Piles with a lift and have gangs of men work them in place. The fact that they sat on their Heads caused much leaking and the Whiskey fums were rather nice! To empty them we had a pump the whiskey out and to do that flip the barrel over to do it. The whiskey was then pumped into the Dump troughs in the buildings that had them. To Me it was one of the few mistakes Continental made trying to be ahead in the latest stuff. Scotch still always came in the 48 & 50 Gallon barrels and later on they also made 48 & 50 gal barrels for whiskey and Bourbon and rye again and stacked them. Ludy said to me That the Big ones were a Night mare for leaking at the head! Another thing they did was to put strips of charred Wood in the big barrels to get a better quality of Whiskey. They called them Floaters! In the end they went back to the smaller barrels sadly the racks were gone so stacking was all that could be done with them.

I think the fact that while I was still there they started again filling the 48 & 50 Gal barrels alot and stacking them showed that they Knew the Big Barrel Idea was not good and very wasteful. The small barrels at least did not leak bad and were easier to work on and fix and flip back up and dump in the trough as no Pump needed. I am going to try and talk to a friend that worked there when I did around my Age to get any Points I have forgotten about the Big Barrel days. Also the day I took Fricky and Phils fan to Kinsey we saw one of the old Big Barrel hoops it was
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dave ziegler
10-09-2008, 06:54
Early this morning I got Al Landis on the Phone to ask him if His father Horace had ever said anything about whiskey that was at Kinsey when Prohibition started. His Dad never really said anything but He said Jacob Kinsey did not have alot of Barrles of Whiskey at that time and there were only the two small Wood and brick warehouses then. He said I did hear from some old timers that there were a few full barrles there but no one knew how many or what became of them! I will continue to talk to these Men I know to get as much as I can about the Place. By the way in doing some computer research I found the certs for Kinsey to be a War supplier for WWII for Alcolhol and grain and Livestock. But it just listed that and gave no details on how much. They were very early on in the war effort and that does not surprise me as they were always proud to be An American Company! They gave free whiskeys to the Men frighting the war and always donated Whiskeys to the Service Clubs for the Men.

I was told by Ludy that I am the official Historian for Kinsey and Continental. He told me keep up the good work and that was a very neat thing to have one of these men say you are doing a great job keep it up.

By the way when Publicker went out of Bussiness Ludy told me they made sure they all got their Pesions and to this day he gets his. They made arrangments for the Government to take the money in a fund so they would get their Pension. When you think how many places would have took it and ran today that is the way Publicker was.
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dave ziegler
10-10-2008, 05:08
The Next time I talk to Ludy I want to ask him if he has any Idea how many Barrels we would dump on any given day. I know it was alot and if we had to take them to another warehuse to dump as some warehouses did not have troughs the old 1941 Ford trucks would be roaring back and forth all day. We had 3 when I started and two left when I left. One green one and two Primer red ones. We used to crank them up pretty good and fly back and forth and the only thing holding the barrels was a block of wood. I don't know of anyone that lost any off the trucks. We also later had a green 1953 Dodge light duty Flat truck it did not have the Pull power of the Flat Head Fords and only hauled half as much. But it had sides and we would get rides on it at days end and also to the break room back then, As the Place was so big.

They had rails all the way to the very end of the road just before the Steer Pens and had a siding at the Weigh Blend House back there for tanker cars and could put a box car in front of any of the Explosion proof Warehouses.
Back in the day they would bring box cars full of Barreled Whiskey to each warehouse and unload them.

Taking the barrles out to the dock and on the truck took alot of time as we would go to whatever floor our paperwork said and then use a one barrel at a time Lift to lower the barrels out of the racks then one at a time on the cradle in the Elevator and down to the first floor then to the truck then to the Building with the trough and dump them and what ever we pulled had to be dumped that day. Some times we got done early and could take it easy other days we had to really move.

There would be another team dumping where we took the barrels and that was a regular day in the warehouse back in 1969!
Dave Z
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mozilla
10-10-2008, 08:56
How many people were on your team for work that day? Were the other crews about the same size? How many would be working in the 1965 bottle house durring the holiday season...would you hire extras?

dave ziegler
10-12-2008, 15:46
Here are some more Kinsey Pictures taken today! I was nuts enough at 61 yrs old with Asthama to go there by myself and crawl in the old Warehouses all hooked together E,F,G to get these pictures. And I crawled down to get on my feet at what was the lower level for Pipes to walk in. Note on the warehouse Pictures inside the old Barrels that sat there till all the whiskey dryed up and they fell apart! Also look at the pictures up looking at all the levels where there were barrles at one time. These 3 building made into one were the second oldest warehouse buildings built just before prohibition! Building H on there left was built in 1936 when Kinsey had reopened it is on the Picture Ludy Gave me! I am going to call Ludy this week and ask him if he remembers just how many Men we had in each gang. I am not sure I am thinking around 10 at least! Note on Picture 6 a name written on the Rail I knew Old George Kuterbach.

Other pictures are of Building O, Then Building P and looking up from Building R plus a shot of signs on Building M. Very Last picture is of the outside of Building E,F,G
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dave ziegler
10-13-2008, 10:40
I just talked to Ludy and the Barrel gangs were between 5 and 6 men on each gang. One Lead man, one Checker who took down the serial numbers of the barrels we dumped and 3 to 4 Barrel rollers! There were around 8 gangs of 6 Men those days and we pulled and dumped about somewhere between 125 to 150 Barrels every day Per Team that were dumping as some teams at times would be racking new Barrels also!

The Old Wood And Brick Warehouses held around 20,000 barrels of Whiskey full each. And a big Bottle house had enough People working 2 shifts that they did not have much overtime and did not need to Hire any extra people as there was around 600 people working there back then!

The Big Bottling House ran a full first and full second shift and the small Liquor Bottling house ( Old Kinsey One ) ran day shift and there was only day shift in the warehouses.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-14-2008, 18:18
Here are 4 pictures of the most Beautiful Continental Distilling Barrel Head I own! I found this one in a bundle that never got sent to Scotland in one of the old Buildings a few years ago it was a job carring it for over a mile plus but for the sake of Kinsey History I made it and now it is safe at my home.

It will someday go to the Getz when I am gone. I remember well using the stenciles and ink roller and letterng these heads and when they were shipped to Scotland the center would have been painted out with white special paint we used so it could be relettered Malt Scotch! I have some other neat heads one Scotch one Just says Whiskey and one Corn whiskey. I will take pictures of them some time also. This one is the very best one I own!
The thought of it being thrown in a pile of wood to burn just kills me. I have been told by Friends that if I could I would have brought the whole distillery home and If I could I would for the sake of True History and each item is to me priceless! To Me Continental Distilling Was The Greatest Distiller in Pa History and An Amazing operation who's greatness came from a Man I will always Admire Mr Si Neuman!


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-15-2008, 05:06
When I get a chance I am going to take some pictures of Different Letters that I have from the last days of Continental and some pictures of my 3 other barrel Heads and some other stuff from Kinsey. It is my passion to preserve as much as I can for History. And for the memory of the 600 people that worked at Kinsey!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-18-2008, 05:25
Last night I went to see Ludy to get the two pictures his daughter took of him with the Barrel Stave I had fricky make me up with Ludys years of service and a Blown up aerial picture of Kinsey I made up from a broshure called the Place with space from the early 1980's. Ludy turned 90 in Sept.


Picture one Ludy with his Stave
Picture two Ludy with his Barrel stave and the Picture which is laminated and has his years of service there on it like the Stave does 42 years as He was layed off 2 yrs till Continental was able to buy Kinsey in early 1941 it sat from Fall 1939 till then being watched by the feds till it could be sold as there was a good bit of Whiskies in barrels there. Mr Kinsey went Bankrupt in fall 1939. Ludy Started there in spring 1936 and worked there till Nov 1980. His daughter is going to try and get him to a computer so he can see some of my Pictures of Kinesy and read some of my writtings.

In the next couple of weeks I am going to scan some of my Letter heads and some of my promotional stuff and put them on here.

It is my Hope that this is going to keep the History of the Many People that worked at Kinsey & Continental and the History of the Company and what a great Company it was to work for " I was very Proud to work for them' And they were the most Prolithic Maker of Alcohol in their time under Mr Si Neuman. Ludy has told me many times about How Mr Neuman stopped at the door way to the Maintaince shop walked in and talked to him. He said to him anything I can do for you and Ludy said I would love a ride in Your Rolls Bently!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-19-2008, 10:17
Here are some pictures of stuff I have from Kinsey / Contiental Distilling including my gate Pass card from 1969 which you needed to get your Pay and my Pay check stub from Dec 1969 which i have had all these 39 & 3/4 years. Also my new Insurance cards from early 1969. A Federal tax sticker. Rare Linfield Bourbon and Sweepstakes Whiskey Labels and Rare 3 Kings Straight Rye Whiskey Distilled by Kinsey Distilling back in the 1930's.

A Sheet of Alabama Tax stickers, Some rare labels including a Peach Brandy Kinsey label a sweepsatkes Whiskey label some Old Hickory Labels including a very rare strange 75 Proof Label never saw any 75 Proof Old Hickory?

A Notice from the Bottle House about Childeren being in the plant and a 1974 Letter Head to the Gov about tank expansion! And Much More.
Also some rare Labels from our Family of A&P Whiskeys which Continental Had the rights to make all of them at Linfield! An Old Label from back in the forties for mailing stuff from Kinsey says Dist #10 on Pic 5, Our Midwest Straight Corn Whiskey Label Bottled in Bond. Also the Still Brook brand we bought from American distilling And grain and Ethyl Alcohol Labels
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dave ziegler
10-20-2008, 06:20
Here are many Pictures around the Plant I took on Sunday Afternoon! Here are many of my shots including the Kinsey Fire House just a building built againest a Big Blue Water tank.
Pictures are
1. A complete shot of 0 Building showing How big these warehouses are
2.&3. In Building J abandon caases of Whiskey Bottles
4. Valve at Big Tanks area
5. Vavve at Big Tanks
6. Cases falling over in Building J
7 & 8 Building Signs
9. Looking behind the tanks at the back of some of the Buildings
10. Shot of Building J
11. Thru 16 The Kinsey Fire House I crawled in the weeds to get to it.
17. Thru 25 Inside Warehouse G I crawled down in shot 24 to look for Barrel staves
Other shots show where the Rail cars came in to the plant, Grain silo's and the dryer building and where charlie Seipler Used to pull out in his buggy and shots of where the #12 used to stand and a doorway in the wall where you used to go into the tunnel. Also a round Cement Tank that sat at the Bottom of the still building also ruins of Boiler room and the Old Oil Boiler still in the building beside the Grain dying room.

I will be posting some more shots later today
as my Home Computer is down and not working so doing these from work.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-20-2008, 10:36
Here are some more Pictures out front of Warehouse D inside it the set of short rails we used to bring Barrels out and on the rails that run behine the old Bottle House. You can from Picture 9 through 17 see the Old Kinsey Plant Mantaince barn it was a cold place, Picture one of these if you click you can see where it says Ludy and a old time Phone number and Pottstown. The second to last shot if you look on the table are a Windshield Wiper Motor a Carberator and Generator for a 1941 Ford Trucks. I put them there to get the shot they were laying in differant spots on the table. Two shots inside the still standing Bottom floor of the Old Kinsey Bottle house shots in Warehouse D and Uprights in the DSP-PA-10 Barn. For some reason the two pictures showing the Old Bottle house falling down are still to big so I will have crop them and post them another day as my Home computer is down and doing this from work.
Dave Z
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Gillman
10-20-2008, 12:15
Dave, this may sound like a silly question, but do you think secreted here and there on the grounds there may be, still, some whiskey in the barrel or in bottles? Or is this impossible by now? Could a full case be buried somewhere, say?

Gary

dave ziegler
10-20-2008, 12:43
Dave, this may sound like a silly question, but do you think secreted here and there on the grounds there may be, still, some whiskey in the barrel or in bottles? Or is this impossible by now? Could a full case be buried somewhere, say?

Gary
Gary There May well be some there but it is real hard to find as I only ever found one bottle of Governors Gin on a desk. My friend found a bottle of Governors Whiskey but it and the peanut Liqour we found were buried under burned skids of Whiskies that Kids set on fire many years before I got there! It would be safe to say if there is any it is sitting where someone hid it many years ago to drink! I would think that the barrels that were in those racks were full and sat till they dried out. They would have to been full and just never got pulled till they were shot as we never racked barrels till full. Did you see Ludy's Name on the mantaince wall Picture? The weird part is the Peanut Liquor I got in the burn pile is fine even though very Hot above it during the fire even some caps melted but once you got them off and put a new one on the stuff was wonderful. I would think that way back there was lots of Whiskey they never were able to sell once they went to Antifreeze back then and went most likely the two guys that watch the Place if there was any most likely got it all or the outfit that said they were going to fix it up and stole all the copper from the still then let their option to buy it go and left!
It is such a giant place there well may be some hid somewhere but if you don't just run in it by luck you will never find it.
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dave ziegler
10-21-2008, 07:43
Here are the two pictures of the Old Kinsey Bottling house showing how the roof fell down from having been set on fire many years ago. And part of the wall coming down. I found that by sending the pictures reduced in size to my Office from my work computer and running them on the resizer again made them fit now as my Home computer is in the shop. The Old Kinsey Bottling house was fairly big for its time and the whole second floor which I put pictures of last year was where the Cases and labels and everything where kept then sent down through the floor and bottled there and the front room they were cased! If you go back to the page before this one and look at Pictures 17 & 18 number 17 is the front room where they cased the Liqours and picture 18 was the big room which was full of Singer Bottling Machines! The second floor also had another section which had fallen down before I ever got back to the plant after all those years and it had a lower floor also that was where the Dump trough I put a picture back a couple pages of, in the alley in one of the Pictures where the Barrel rails are the white wall across from Warehouse D was that two story part of the building, and there were Bottling machines in that section also with the dump trough. They could do enough Liqour's in that bottling house that Companys like Jacquins would call them up to make lots of Liquors for them when they had big Orders. it was one of those times I went in there in 1967 to clean with the yard gang. Also they could run barrels out of Old Warehouse D right into the old Bottle House and dump them.

I remember well how excited people were as it brought alot of extra Liqour Bottling to the Old Bottle House ment more poeple getting jobs. The Hardest Thing was getting the stuff out be be taken to the New bottle House Shipping but that was done by putting the cases on a pallets at the far side facing the New bottle house as there was a small cement Pad and a sign knocked own now by the falling down of the walls and fork trucks would be coming all the time taking Liqours. They Had the Place set up so good it was Ideal for making batches of Liqours and they did much contract work in the Old Kinsey Bottle Houes.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-21-2008, 12:36
Here is a picture of the second floor part of the old Kinsey Bottling House that was still standing till lately when I was up there in the spring of this year This was where they sent down the cases, Bottles and all things needed to bottle below! Note that it had a skylight in the roof when you look at the pictures of it down you can see the skylight in the wreckage!
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dave ziegler
10-22-2008, 05:05
Last night I called Ludy as I wanted to get the exact layout when the Old Kinsey Bottling House was running! First He told me about the very first Bottling house which was in the Kinsey Dsp-pa-10 Barn right next to the Still. When he started there in early 1936 they had 3 small lines going with him a blender from NY and 13 Ladies. They had a rolling on wheels tank for product and when they made a Blended Whiskey Product he would stir the product with a wooden Paddle as the Blender From NY would put the mixtures in!

Once What I call the Old Kinsey Bottle House which I have the pictures of was built that year here is how it was layed out!
I have in #212 a picture of what was left of the Second floor, on the part that had fell down there was a dump trough, below it on the fallen in first floor part was another Dump trough which I took a picture of back on another page with wreckage on it. Also upstairs in the Picture on #212 were two 500 gal tanks, boxes, labels caps and anything else needed. Also a section up stairs was for the finished product to be put.

Ludy said in that Bottle House one of the Jobs he had was running a small lift platform up to a trapdoor in the first floor sealing and the Finished product would be kept up there till it was taken out through two doors that were at the top of the wall for forklift to get them on skids. When it was run for liquor all those years they did the same thing till the end.

Now here is how the Bottling was layed out I was right about that if you go to Page 21 #208 Picture #18 is the end of the floor all the way out near the road, the Lines ended there where they cased the product then used a hand truck to pull it over along the wall on the right side facing out there to go up through the trap door.

Picture #19 is looking down toward the end there where 3 lines running down through there where 50 to 60 people working there 3 shifts back then and each line had one of the Singer Bottling Machines like I have put in pictures before. Next there were Ladies puting Front Labels on by Hand then ladies putting Back labels on and finally people packing and skiding product to be pulled under the trap door and lifted up to the second floor for shipping out. When they needed Supply there was another open place in the floor which I put a picture on in one of these threads where a rolling line came down and they would put whatever you needed on it send it down you would catch it and use it all bottles cases labels and everything esle came down through this hole.

When I was in the Bottle house back then there were at least 40 to 50 people in there, and I asked Ludy since he worked in every Bottling house they ever had at Kinsey if they ever made Liqours in the New 1966 Bottling. He said they never bottled any Liqours there they were always till the very end all made in the Old Kinsey Bottle house. Back when He worked in there they bottled whatever Continental wanted then as they used it for Whiskey bottling till They closed DSP-Pa-10. Then all whiskey was bottled at their old Phila Bigler street Bottle house, till 1965 fall when they opened the Kinsey State of the Art bottling house which had 12 or 13 operating lines!

Now I have a question for Gary or anyone that knows! Did any of the Ky Distillerys use Bung Cloths in their Barrels. I brought back two Barrel staves with Bung holes for Fricky to restore for us, with them I got two nice Bungs from the Dump trough at O building and two Bung Cloths. Continental always used a Special cloth which they would pound in with the Bung after filling a barrel and I when I told fricky I got the cloths he said he had never heard of or saw such a thing in the Barrels at Distillerys in Ky. Myself having never been to any Distillery except Kinsey thought everyone used them. Now I am wondering did anyone else use them or was this another Continental Distilling Idea? Gary or Anyone esle who knows please answer this for me. When my Home Computer is running again I have pictures I took of the staves and bungs and cloths!
Dave Z
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Gillman
10-22-2008, 06:32
Thanks for the information earlier Dave about whiskey possibly being onsite. I sometimes wonder if any is buried around the old Gooderham and Worts site in Toronto, or in the rafters. I think no by this time due to all the redevelopment work going on in and around that site, although who knows.

I do not know if Kentucky distilleries ever used cloths around the bungs when hammered in, I think some did, but am not sure.

Gary

dave ziegler
10-22-2008, 06:36
Here are a couple of Old Kinsey Bottling Hpuse Pictures first the line coming down to the first floor from second to suppy, Then the first floor room where the Singer Bottle machines where, and the end room where they cased the Product. Also if you look on the pictures on the last two pages note the skylight to bring in light to the second floor, you can see it laying on top of the wreckage when the roof fell in a couple of weeks ago!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-23-2008, 06:16
When I went to see Ludy yesterday We were talking about the One Mechanic Dickie Pfiefer He was always in a bad mood and they built a special spot for him to work on the Old Cars and trucks and it seemed no matter How hard he tried people just kept messing them up. So it was no wonder he was mad.
There was a space between Warehouse A&B and the Kinsey #10 Rye Building Dsp-Pa-10 they ran some Heat pipes and hung a Raditator up in the air Left side, Put a Large fan on the other side for Summer there was a Stone wall at the point that went from Warehouse b to the Rye Building to close it off so they put on a Roof and Hung a old Roll door and That space was just big enough to pull trucks and cars in and leave the doors open. It was one cold spot but Dickie told me one time he liked being by himself as he got mad alot. He Had a chain lift to pull engines and would set the cars and trucks up in a way once he had pulled an engine that He could do them quickly.

I can't tell you How many Engines he had in those Old 1941 Ford trucks but as hard as they worked they were real good for what they did. At the end when I worked there one of them had no windshield and they had no wipers and two of them No Doors. They would Back up and catch the doors Open. No Mirrors and They Kept Dicky very Busy. If you look back a couple of Posts here you will see A Picture I took of an Old !941 Ford Carb, Wiper Motor and Generator! They were sitting on the table in maintanice and never got rebuilt! They had five guys keeping the Whole Plant going and The 1966 Bottling house had its own group of Maintaince Man and Ludy went to work in the Bottling house as a mechanic after it opened and never went back to coopering. He at one time had been in Maintaince in the plant besides being a cooper. So he did just about everything there in his 42 yrs.
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dave ziegler
10-24-2008, 04:51
I am still hoping to hear from someone who is an expert on the Use of Bung Cloths as about 90% of Continentals Barrels had them only the oldest ones did not for the most part. Was This a Continental Distilling thing only? I remember them well and on my last trip into Kinsey I found a place open with a dump trough and got a couple to use in the Two barrel Staves with bung holes I got for myself and Fricky. They were a sort of a heavy Linen material and worked well less leaks and easier to get the Bung out to check the Whiskey or dump it.

The couple bungs I got were in the trough and fine no breaks at all. The More I think about Kinsey / Continental Distilling the more I see How much they were ahead of everyone back there in the 1960's. As Most know by now Continental Distilling was founded in 1933 right after Prohibition ended and During that time they made up the Brand names they would first use. Publicker having been founded back in 1913 by Harry Publicker made all industrial Alcohols up to and through Prohibition and afterwards and it was Si Neumans Idea to create a special division for making Drinking Alcohols. And That is How Continental Distilling started.

Kinsey was known as a special Affiliate to Publicker so my Pay stub says and Continentel was a division of Publicker! We had at least 5 or 6 or more kinds and sizes of Bungs. So I sure would like to know if we were the only one to use Bung Cloths. Ludy said also that they were something we used all the time. He is going to get me a picture of his 6 gal barrel he made by hand at Barrel Coopers school!

One other thing I remember now what the two water tanks had on them.
They used to say
Publicker Inddustries
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Continental Distilling Division
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Linfield Pa.
Written in Black with Silver Backgroud.


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fricky
10-24-2008, 08:27
Is it possible that the bung cloths were used so that the bungs could be easily removed and then the bungs could be used in another barrel?
Doug

mozilla
10-24-2008, 08:36
I am really leaning towards the hardwood bungs, theory.

If(and I am not cutting my only Publicker bung, up) Publicker used hardwood bungs, they would not soak up the distillate like Poplar bungs would. This keeps them from making a good seal with the staves. So, to counteract the effects...Publicker went with the bung cloth. This way the cloth would fill in the gaps, make reuse of bungs possible, and any other reason I have not come up with yet.

When Poplar comes into contact with distillate....it swells up and gets fat. This makes a great seal with the barrel staves.

My bung from Publicker has alot more grain texture than any of my Ky sourced bungs from the last two years. It is also about .25 inch shorter than any of the Ky bungs.

dave ziegler
10-27-2008, 05:02
Working at Kinsey for Publicker at age 19 in 1966 was an amazing thing as for the very first time I made enough Money to buy a good car and because I worked at Kinsey my Credit to get a car was easy for a 19 year old! When I started there I totaly fixed up my 1955 Chevy but then it got hit and it was time for a Newer car. It was 1966 and I was able to buy a 3 old low miles 1963 Chevy. it was 3 speed on the Colume with overdrive and it was awesome. And as I have said before Thanks To Frank Kurtas a Kinsey maintaince man My first and only break down was Fixed by Him cost me nothing as He got me a generator put it on while I worked and told me don't worry about it you can't aford it with your Payments. This was what working at Kinsey was like people helping each other doing our jobs and making the Best Whiskey's, Gins, Vodka's and everything else we made. You never minded going to work as you knew if you did your Job you would have a great day. For me to get a job with about 10 Holidays full insurance and Paid Vacation! That much was unheard of at most jobs back then but at Publicker it was the standard! And you were treated with respect by our boss's.


We worked 5 days a week 7:00 to 3:30 PM and had Lunch and 2 breaks could go out at Lunch and they did not watch to make sure you were back at the very exact time. Our Insurance was the best then with Persriptions for I think a $1.00 co pay and full coverage, Blue Cross & Blue Shield. And the Years I worked there no more Layoffs as there had been back when Bottling was down in Phila. It was something amazing for me and the first time I got my first weeks Vacation I took a trip down to the Old Atlantic City and I will never forget going over the Walt and seeing the Stack with It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory in Neon on it with Andy Jackson. I was so proud to work for Continental Distilling!
Dave Z
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gothbat
10-29-2008, 17:11
Great thread, Dave! I read it start to finish over the past few weeks at work, sure makes me wish I had a job like that instead of one where I sit at a desk all day. (Then again, I guess it's not all bad; it did afford me plenty of time to read this thread! :] ) I actually had a Kinsey item and I didn't realize it until I read this thread; not too long ago we had a collectibles shop by me and I picked up an Old Hickory ashtray for a couple of bucks.
Anyway, I'll look forward to reading whatever else you're going to add!

dave ziegler
10-30-2008, 10:38
This cold Morning I am thinking back to the cold & Old Days of long gone times at Kinsey! I remember well going into work wearing the Nice Sub Zero WI Army Coat they gave us every year. They had no problem with us wearing them home and also got us discounted Shoes paid almost nothing if we went to the old Work men Suppy in Pottstown. They also aways made sure we had Good Leather Gloves and what ever else we needed to do the job safe. We would take our breaks in the old Lunch room in Building Building O. Those were simple times and a pack of Lance crackers and a bottle of A treat soda were just fine for break then. We also had a Cig Machine and Walt Harrington ( Good Guy ) would always be there selling Kinsey Benefit Club tickets and Fire House Tickets and Baskets of Cheer from the Catholic Church in Linfield. We had about 10 minutes then Mike Zuno would truck us on the back of the Old 1953 Dodge truck back to the Buildings we were working at! When I was in the Yard crew John Zuber our Boss would take us in the 1951 Ford Pickup we used. Guys would always make sure to have their bottle with them and I can remember one very Cold day having one of the Old Timers tell me when I had to leave that gang to fill in another one that was short, He Said Dave or Ziggy as they called me Don't forget your Flask its cold out there! Everyday was interesting as especialy when we went in one of the Old Wood And Brick Warehouses you would see dates from the 1950's on some of the barrels. It was such a big place that allot of time was spent just going from warehouse to warehouse and if the truck was busy we would walk no matter how far out in the plant. Those days the Plant just sparkled it was so clean and well kept. Summer Flower Beds and perfect lawns. Winter salt put out and snow cleaned up asap. It looked Like a Jewel on the river Peninsala and Even in the winter we kept watch that the lawns were clean and free of Junk. When I talk about Kinsey it is like taking a trip back in time to a special and amazing place and when I take my walks there I in my mind can see things working back in those days of old! I can hear the 3 Boilers roaring and see the Old Clark Michigan Loader taking coal into the 2 coal boilers. I can see the Old Number DSP-Pa-12 standing there looking like it was ready to fire up and I can see all my Old Friends long passed on there working and singing and rolling endless barrels of Whiskey to be Made into the Finest of Bourbons and Blendeds. For me it is a trip back to the Future and I love it every time I go there!
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Jono
10-30-2008, 19:44
Dave it is too bad the location is not restored somewhat like the Distillery district in Toronto...those are brick period buildings...very nice area....I just wonder how many buildings on the Kinsey site would be worth restoring and could they be used for either shops, craft brewers, restaurants etc.?

P.S. Did you realize at the time how much you enjoyed your work and how special it would be in later years?

dave ziegler
10-31-2008, 07:37
Dave it is too bad the location is not restored somewhat like the Distillery district in Toronto...those are brick period buildings...very nice area....I just wonder how many buildings on the Kinsey site would be worth restoring and could they be used for either shops, craft brewers, restaurants etc.?

P.S. Did you realize at the time how much you enjoyed your work and how special it would be in later years?
Jono First I do not think I really knew how much I liked the Place back then and I had a neighbor then that talked me into becoming a Phone Company Truck builder for the old Baker equipment which was one mile from my house. Within 3 weeks I knew I had made a very big Mistake and that I could not go back and I wanted to badly, you make mistakes like that when you are young.

I was going on 25 years old and Once I saw how hard I worked How Rotten we were treated and less pay and buying tools I really knew I had been nuts. I do not think I really Knew then How special the Place would be to me till many years later and then when I saw what happened to the Company I wished I could have been there till the end Helping all I could to keep it going. A then somehow I knew I had to find a way to write About it and saw looking on the web about SB and A fellow Named Chuck who was writting about his Granfather who Ran the Continental Distilling Bottling house I knew it was (Mr Thomas Holman Bryant ) and I joined to write to him and the Rest is History as not Knowing How to go about writting a book about How Special Kinsey was I can write and share my stories and History here and I love to talk about those great days! Most times in our Lives It turns out that stuff in the beginning is the stuff that was special!
Jono it is sad as I think at least 12 of the Explosion Proof warehouses could be saved you could call it the Distillery Shops on the River at Kinsey! And the other two are saveable too. The Q Building even though it has the hole in the wall could be fixed as it is strong and firm yet. Also a couple of the front buildings could be preserved. The Still & Kinsey Bottle Hose are done but the Walls from the Old Brick warehouses could be used to build Distillery Loafts. With all the lawns still there you could make it a beautiful Historic Place & Park but People do not think about those things, or That the Still and the front buildings when it shut down could have been made in a History Musuim!
Jono I can only Hope that my Writtings can open peoples eyes to what a great place Kinsey Distillery was and What a great Company Continental Distilling / Publicker Industries was to work for and The Joy Of A Job that You Loved and will always remember with Love and Joy in your Heart!
Dave Z
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Jono
10-31-2008, 09:29
Maybe Chuck could help you and both of you could produce a nice historical book on the company......

dave ziegler
10-31-2008, 10:09
Maybe Chuck could help you and both of you could produce a nice historical book on the company......
Jono If He would that would be something great I need someone with the ability to put it altogether and It could Happen it is not at all about me it is about the Company and its people their lives and the products we made Pa Distilling history. Do you think he would? It is something I have dreamed of for many a year to keep the History of Si Neuman & Harry Publicker & Jacob G Kinsey going on forever! It is funny that you said that as My friend here at work from India reads my stuff all the time and loves the way I write and just yesterday he said Maybe someone who knows how to put the product of a History Book is on the site and can be apart of it and help you to write a book! He is a very Highly Smart R&D Engineer and He loves reading About Kinsey. If I ever can get a book I would give it the title of this Thread == My Memories Of Kinsey Distilling ----
Dave Z

Jono
10-31-2008, 12:33
Or, if not Chuck...an enterprising writer from a local college or newspaper, magazine...especially a regional magazine....or a PA history publication....there are various ways to approach it....

Potential starting place:

http://www.hsp.org/default.aspx?id=68

Tamara Gaskell, Director of Publications & Editor [email]

Tamara (Tammy) Gaskell is director of publications and edits ThePennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography and Pennsylvania Legacies, and also provides editorial support for the organization generally. She has been at HSP since October 2002. Tammy graduated with a degree in American Studies from Amherst College and received a PhD in American History from Brandeis University in 1995, with concentrations in early American history, social history, and women’s history. Her dissertation, “‘Seeking to Strengthen the Ties of Friendship’: Women and Community in Southeastern Ohio, 1788–850,” looks at the role of women in the building of community on the trans-Appalachian frontier. She has presented numerous conference papers and published articles on this work. More recently, she was assistant editor of the Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony Papers project, a documentary editing project based at Rutgers. She is the assistant editor on the first two volumes of what will be a six-volume series. She has also worked as a reference librarian and as editor of the publications of the Center for Research on Women at the University of Memphis.

Dan Rolph, Historian & Head of Reference Services

Dan Rolph has worked at HSP since 1985. He received his BA in History with a minor in Anthropology from the University of Utah, an MS in History from the University of Kentucky, and a Ph.D. in Folklore and Folklife from the University of Pennsylvania. Dan has designed and taught many college level courses including “The American Civil War: 1861–65,” “Classical Mythology,” “Minorities in American History,” and “Your Family in History." In 1992 Dan published To Shoot Burn and Hang—Folk-History from a KentuckyMountain Family and Community. In 2002 he published My Brother’s Keeper: Union & Confederate Soldiers’ Acts of Mercy during the Civil War. Both books were well received and are still readily available through outlets such as Amazon.com. He has presented at numerous conferences and lectures and even appeared on C-Span and BookTV to promote his books.

Or - http://www.paheritage.org/pa-magazine.html

Michael O’Malley - Editor

Michael O’Malley has been the editor of Pennsylvania HeritageŽ since 1984, and has been with the PHMC since 1978. His most notable accomplishment was his editorial direction of the magazine series in the 1990s that profiled history makers in Pennsylvania such as Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers), David McCullough, Kitty Carlisle Hart, James Michener, and others notables. A native Pennsylvanian, O’Malley also enjoys reading, travel, antiques, and visiting museums and galleries.

dave ziegler
10-31-2008, 12:49
Jono Thanks for the Information I will check it all out Next week. Here is something I promised and could not find another picture of Our Old Kinsey Plant Lunch room. It was a Place where we enjoyed our breaks very much and even though small and none of the modern treats in the Machines like today we were happy with our Crackers and L&G Chips and A-Treat Soda's from Allentown pa. It was a getaway during a hard but good days work and during Christmas it was a supply for Soda for making Lots of drinks in the Plant! The day before the Christmas Holiday 1969 when everyone was getting wiped out and I watched they ran the soda machine dry in no time and the snack machine was empty very quick! Government Men where right next store and I can't tell you how many times I saw them getting Ginger Ale or Grapefruit Soda out of the old Machine. It is always hard for me to walk in and see our Bird bath type sink to wash up broken in pieces by Kids and the Lockers thrown over and the Machines standing there empty and papers thrown everywhere from Walts cabinet. You had to work there to know what I mean, we did not ask people to help we took care of our own there if you got hurt Walt was there with the Kinsey Benefit club check book to do what he could and we would also take collections. We did not look for Government to Help we took care of are own!
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Jono
10-31-2008, 13:07
Hey Dave...is that your time card on the left wall? Your last punch out?

dave ziegler
11-02-2008, 16:54
No Jono I did not use the card rack there when I worked there we had a Rack at the front of the plant! I think they most have done that after they Quit Bottling Whiskey and used the Bottle house for Antifreeze. Our Time Card rack was in the old Dsp- Pa - 12 building. I went back today after not being there for two weeks and here are some Pictures! The First couple of Pictures are at Ludy's as I went there at Noon to give him a barrel Bung With Kinsey Distillery on it and Ludy 42 yrs service and Linfield Pa. He had his daughter bring the 6 gal Barrel he made when he went to Cooper's school and I got some shots of it in the special rack the Company let them make to show case it on! Then I went to Kinsey and there are Pictures of the buildings and I went back in the Old Bottle House before it falls down all the way. The Pictures are Ludy's Barrel then A Picture of Ludy with the Bung that Fricky did up for me so I could give it to Him. Then going into the plant from going down to the river. The Well at O Building, The Time Card Rack in The O building Plant lunch room. Some more pictures of the lunch room and some pictures of the water distilling unit in O building. Next are some pictures of some of the Warehouses and a couple of Pictures showing the steel beam that was on each warehouse roof to lift things to the second and thrid floors.

Then some pictures out front of the Old Kinsey Gain silo and in the old Bottle House out front as the roof has not fallen in on the first floor yet. first sht in there shows to of the Windows at the end where the lines finished and they packed the cases Had shutters on them and Bars! then some shots of the big first room and then of the very back where the second floor had fallen down years ago you can see the trought for dumping and the floor fallen in on it. Then I finially figuered the Big tank in the back side it has what was a sort of wooden gage that had a glass tube to show how much whiskey was in it it is strange that it sits side ways on legs.

Last pictures are of a Explosion proof Glass and cover I got out of the old Bottle house when I took it loose it had been still perfectly sealed I wiped the inside and it was clean no dust or dirt. Then a inking Brush, A explosion prrof switch from the Maintance bard,A 1941 Ford Truck Wiper motor and a Old Kinsey Sample Bottle found near the Water distilling unit. Also a picture of Building P if you look you can see where the 3 signs for it used to be.
Dave Z
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ACDetroit
11-02-2008, 17:12
Hey Dave, I was at my brother in laws for a nephew's birthday tonight, looking under his bar he had some old stuff. All from his dad and unopened. He has a bottle id Kinsey Dry Gin and he also had a bottle of Barton Dry Gin, after looking at the bottom of each bottle they are from the early 70's. He said I could have the but I did not take them, though I would let you know about it first and if you have any interest, I'll send it to you. No bourbons in the old stuff but the Kinsey stood out from reading here.

Any way hope all is well with you and let me know I'll grab the gin and send it on.

Tony

dave ziegler
11-02-2008, 18:41
No Jono I did not use the card rack there when I worked there we had a Rack at the front of the plant! I think they most have done that after they Quit Bottling Whiskey and used the Bottle house for Antifreeze. Our Time Card rack was in the old Dsp- Pa - 12 building. I went back today after not being there for two weeks and here are some Pictures! The First couple of Pictures are at Ludy's as I went there at Noon to give him a barrel Bung With Kinsey Distillery on it and Ludy 42 yrs service and Linfield Pa. He had his daughter bring the 6 gal Barrel he made when he went to Cooper's school and I got some shots of it in the special rack the Company let them make to show case it on! Then I went to Kinsey and there are Pictures of the buildings and I went back in the Old Bottle House before it falls down all the way. The Pictures are Ludy's Barrel then A Picture of Ludy with the Bung that Fricky did up for me so I could give it to Him. Then going into the plant from going down to the river. The Well at O Building, The Time Card Rack in The O building Plant lunch room. Some more pictures of the lunch room and some pictures of the water distilling unit in O building. Next are some pictures of some of the Warehouses and a couple of Pictures showing the steel beam that was on each warehouse roof to lift things to the second and thrid floors.

Then some pictures out front of the Old Kinsey Gain silo and in the old Bottle House out front as the roof has not fallen in on the first floor yet. first sht in there shows to of the Windows at the end where the lines finished and they packed the cases Had shutters on them and Bars! then some shots of the big first room and then of the very back where the second floor had fallen down years ago you can see the trought for dumping and the floor fallen in on it. Then I finially figuered the Big tank in the back side it has what was a sort of wooden gage that had a glass tube to show how much whiskey was in it it is strange that it sits side ways on legs.

Last pictures are of a Explosion proof Glass and cover I got out of the old Bottle house when I took it loose it had been still perfectly sealed I wiped the inside and it was clean no dust or dirt. Then a inking Brush, A explosion prrof switch from the Maintance bard,A 1941 Ford Truck Wiper motor and a Old Kinsey Sample Bottle found near the Water distilling unit. Also a picture of Building P if you look you can see where the 3 signs for it used to be.
Dave Z
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There are 43 new pictures on here on page 23 #230 and I hope to get back again and do some more crawling and get some more good pictures of Kinsey, Also two pages back the last big set of Pictures I put on there was a picture of a cement Tank Page 21 # 207 Last picture I have figured what that was I have a old Picture of the back of Dsp-Pa-12 and there was a grain silo where the grain when ready went into the Still to the #12 and I will look for that picture and post it. When I was taking these pictures today It hit me when I saw its location.
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dave ziegler
11-02-2008, 18:57
Here is the Picture behind Dsp-Pa-12 before they tore it down! If you look at the picture I took behind where the still stood itwould be on the far left of the still back then. And if you look at the last picture of Page 21 on #207 that is all that is left of it. The Pictures on Page 23 #230 took me about 3 hrs of walking around to get today on Sunday it was a beautiful day for it. Please look back at the one's I have talked about and the 43 new ones I took today!
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Jono
11-02-2008, 20:37
Looks like a scene out of The Two Towers...Ents destroying Isengard.

Elizabeth Fraser & Ben Del Maestro - Isengard Unleashed (The Ents) Lyrics

Earth shakes,
Stone breaks
The forest is at your door
The dark sleep is broken
The woods have awoken
The trees have gone to war
Roots rend, wood bends
The Ents have answered the call
Through branches now the wind sings
Feel the power of living things
The trees have gone to war

dave ziegler
11-03-2008, 12:27
Jono There is something Magical about the Plant for me I just keep wanting to go back and everytime I do I find something New to look at or take pictures of or save for History.
Those Pictures turned out so good i shall go back looking for more places and things.
I could start my Own Kinsey History room with Kinsey stuff!
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Jono
11-03-2008, 21:46
A Sense of Place
By William R. Ferris


"Each of you carries within yourself a "postage stamp of native soil," a "sense of place" that defines you. It is the memory of this place that nurtures you with identity and special strength, that provides what the Bible terms "the peace that passeth understanding." And it is to this place that each of us goes to find the clearest, deepest identity of ourselves."

dave ziegler
11-04-2008, 03:48
A Sense of Place
By William R. Ferris


"Each of you carries within yourself a "postage stamp of native soil," a "sense of place" that defines you. It is the memory of this place that nurtures you with identity and special strength, that provides what the Bible terms "the peace that passeth understanding." And it is to this place that each of us goes to find the clearest, deepest identity of ourselves."
Jono you are so right when I go there I am taken back to days of a simple and happy time I think going back there is Gods way of giving me peace in such a troubling times. Walking in the Old Dsp-Pa. - 10 barn on Sunday I was amazed to see really Old time explosion proof switches even there. There was a home made light stand made of pipes with a sealed expolsion proof cover on it when I pulled the cover off it was still totally dust free inside even though parts of the roof are gone and it is wide open on one side. Inside it looked like new. I brought home the white ceramic fixture to mount my 70+ yr old 300 watt bulb Edison type in from the old Bottle house on the fixture it said up to 600 watts. Fricky is going to make me a stand for it and I will take a picture when I get it back.

I found an old Ink brush for stensiling the Barrel heads the Kids had just thrown on the floor not even knowing what it was so it came home for history too. I went in the old Maintance barn and I could almost see Shorty Tyson and Frank Curtas there at work in those old cold rooms with no heat but a radiator on the Barn wall in the front. I walked over to where Dicky used to fix the 1941 Ford trucks and could almost hear him cusing them as the guys really hammered them!
In the Lunch room I could almost see Mr Marshal working the Water Distilling equipment. And I sadly saw the old Soda machine had been thrown over by Kids who know nothing of the place!

Many an ice cold 8 oz A treat soda I had from that machine and they were really good soda's not the type of today! I saw an old torn up Cigarett Tax paper from the old Cig machine laying on the floor and found some old papers about the new raise they got in 1979 which I will scan and postsoon.

For me it is Country fields take me home to the place that I love Kinsey Distillery!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-04-2008, 06:26
Jono you are so right when I go there I am taken back to days of a simple and happy time I think going back there is Gods way of giving me peace in such a troubling times. Walking in the Old Dsp-Pa. - 10 barn on Sunday I was amazed to see really Old time explosion proof switches even there. There was a home made light stand made of pipes with a sealed expolsion proof cover on it when I pulled the cover off it was still totally dust free inside even though parts of the roof are gone and it is wide open on one side. Inside it looked like new. I brought home the white ceramic fixture to mount my 70+ yr old 300 watt bulb Edison type in from the old Bottle house on the fixture it said up to 600 watts. Fricky is going to make me a stand for it and I will take a picture when I get it back.

I found an old Ink brush for stensiling the Barrel heads the Kids had just thrown on the floor not even knowing what it was so it came home for history too. I went in the old Maintance barn and I could almost see Shorty Tyson and Frank Curtas there at work in those old cold rooms with no heat but a radiator on the Barn wall in the front. I walked over to where Dicky used to fix the 1941 Ford trucks and could almost hear him cusing them as the guys really hammered them!
In the Lunch room I could almost see Mr Marshal working the Water Distilling equipment. And I sadly saw the old Soda machine had been thrown over by Kids who know nothing of the place!

Many an ice cold 8 oz A treat soda I had from that machine and they were really good soda's not the type of today! I saw an old torn up Cigarett Tax paper from the old Cig machine laying on the floor and found some old papers about the new raise they got in 1979 which I will scan and postsoon.

For me it is Country fields take me home to the place that I love Kinsey Distillery!
Dave Z
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Another thing I have thought about is how very much Continental was ahead of others at the time I worked there. The new 1966 Bottling house when it opened was the Largest most modern Bottling house in America. It had 11 lines running 16 hours a day 5 days a week and about 450 to 500 people working in there on 2 shifts.

We had Millions of Gallons of Tankage and many lines going in from outside to make many products at the same time. Also our Warehousing for the filled cases was right in the same building as it is so big and our shipping to handle 3 Rail Cars and 4 or 5 trucks at the same time all in one Building. It was what today is common everything on a single floor building! Publicker back in those days under Mr Si Neuman was the most inavative company you could work for! And as I have said many times how many people made $101.20 a week back then clear after taxes! They were great times back then and I wish so many times I could go back to revisit those days!
Dave Z
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Jono
11-04-2008, 14:07
Si (Simon) Neuman is mentioned in the Time article from 1933...just as Prohibition was to end....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,746450-1,00.html

dave ziegler
11-07-2008, 04:56
Well The weekend is coming and I am hoping to go to Kinsey on Sunday if the weather holds out. this morning I was thinking about after Mr Neuman built the Distillerys in Scotland what a blessing it was here not just the Bottling at Kinsey of Scotch but It meant we could reuse the Whiskey Barrels over there instead of Throwing them away as we had, which gave us jobs of Tearing them apart and other things we had not done before! One of the jobs I did when I was in the Warehouse gangs was to paint over the Information on the top Head of Barrels that were emptied. We would Leave the Continental Distilling Phila Pa on there but paint white Paint on the rest of the head with a very large brush one wipe covered the top and it dryed fast. Then the Cooper would take the Barrel apart and someone else would band the heads together and the staves in bundles together.

They would be skided and taken to Phila by truck or train car then loaded on one of Continentals 10 ocean liners and taken to Scotland! I was very Lucky two years ago to find laying in the Field one of those Scotch Heads broken and had a friend at work put it back together. I knew as soon as I saw it where kids had thrown it that it was a Scotch head as I saw the Heavy White paint on its pieces, broken in 4 pieces. To my amazment It was dated for 1967 to about when I worked at Kinsey for a year, and I turned 20 years old my friend put it back togther with allot of work and you can still read all the information on it, Date of Filling date of Entrance.
It is a real treasure for me. Mr Neumans Idea of Reusing the Barrels for Scotch back then is something done all the time now for Scotch and Continental was one of the very first to ask Government Permission to do this. His idea gave us new jobs at Kinsey and also was good in that we were reusing something instead of throwing it away!

There again was an example of Publicker being ahead of the rest, they were so inovative I would have never thought then that they would be gone someday. Leaving my Kinsey Distillery in Ruin!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-08-2008, 19:53
When I was at Ludys house this week He showed me a old Kinsey Pay Ledger from when He worked there after Mr Kinsey went Bankrupt A friend od Ludys saved this and years later gave it to him if you look on the two Pages you can see Harold Ludolph on the pages and his pay for that week in 1937. If I get there again soon I will get some better shots as I went out today and bought a higher end Digital camera and I am going to Kinsey tomorrow to test it. I got a Nikon P-80 Coolpicx Zoom Digital 10.1 Pixels so it should give me better shots then my old Nikon Digital with 5.1 Pixels!
Picture One Jan 21 1937 the second name down is Ludy and his pay for that week in 1937 was $12.00
Picture two is not good so I will try again later. but at least you can read one. This was Mr Kinsey's Pay book from all those years ago.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-09-2008, 16:07
I went to Kinsey today with my New Nikon Digital Zoom Camera and got almost 200 pictures which I will be posting here, the Bottle house and on the Fire Observation Tower Threads. I found something back it the woods I had completly forgotten was there if you look on the 1980 Aerial brosure of the Plant Looking to the back there seems to be a big tank out in the woods well there was back then. today Because of People taking pipes and as they did cutting a path through the woods I found the place way at the back where The tanks must have been back then in a fenced in area but they are gone now but the room and the Giant Cummins Engine to power the Pumps is still there I climbed over the wall and went into the room. I was amazed either this was built after I left or I just Plain forgot it. Most likely Forgot it. This is at the very end as you go toward the steer Pens you turn left and it runs along the game lands line. It is a giant cement pad big as a tennis court fenced in on a wall that goes all around it.

Where The Tanks or Tank went I will never know but all that remains is the small room like a bunker with heating tubes with the Cummins Engine and the wall and fence and pipes going out into the fenced cement floor area.

It is hard to believe that they went to all this to make sure to prevent Fires!
I will be posting all week here and on the fire thread I have at least 160 pictures yet everything from the Old Bottle House to the 1966 Bottle house which I was in today and will post those in the Bottle House thread.

One more thing the building had heat elements in it, to have this building Heated ment they ran Heating pipes all the way to it more then a mile, maybe mile and a half or more. There were heat pipes running along the field till this summer when the guys that do stuff there for the guy that owns the place cut them up, pipng heat down there all the way from the front to heat the room for safety pretty Cool. On one of my threads way back I had pictures of the very pipes going there yet could not see the fire saftey Bunker or walled in area do to heavy tree and weed growth that summr day. The second to last picture is looking back at the Plant and you can just see the top of Building T and building #38 in the distance that is how far out this is, then a fire Hydrent going back toward the plant on the last picture.

I also got some great shots of the small room Dickie worked on the trucks at, now that the weeds have died down. And I brought home the Old Light shade from his light in there as it was laying there fallen down and I have a picture of it too!
Dave Z
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lohssanami
11-10-2008, 03:04
Dave,

I've enjoyed reading all of your accounts on Kinsey. After looking at all of your pictures, I used Google Earth to find where Kinsey is, and I've attached some screenshots from the aerial view.

I can even see where you were most likely standing for some of these outside shots.

If you haven't used Google Earth, you might be able to use it now to plot different areas you have photographed, and maybe it will spur new adventures.

Thanks for sharing everything, and I look forward to more entries.

dave ziegler
11-10-2008, 07:38
Dave,

I've enjoyed reading all of your accounts on Kinsey. After looking at all of your pictures, I used Google Earth to find where Kinsey is, and I've attached some screenshots from the aerial view.

I can even see where you were most likely standing for some of these outside shots.

If you haven't used Google Earth, you might be able to use it now to plot different areas you have photographed, and maybe it will spur new adventures.

Thanks for sharing everything, and I look forward to more entries.
Great aerial shots thanks lohssanami! Thanks so much! I spoke to an engineer at work today and showed him the Pictures of this spot I found and he said it was the Main Pump station to bring water from down at the river to the Back water tower. That is why it is so hard to get into as They only went there when the tank needed to be filled up all the way and the Fireman Cal Robers would have done that. They also had a inlet on the river at the front and it is my thinking that they filled the front water tower by way of the Fire house. But this one is the biggest one in the plant and may well have done all the water tanks. Sure was alot of miles of Pipe it turned at the Scale House and traveled down to the Back tank.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-10-2008, 16:42
Dave,

I've enjoyed reading all of your accounts on Kinsey. After looking at all of your pictures, I used Google Earth to find where Kinsey is, and I've attached some screenshots from the aerial view.

I can even see where you were most likely standing for some of these outside shots.

If you haven't used Google Earth, you might be able to use it now to plot different areas you have photographed, and maybe it will spur new adventures.

Thanks for sharing everything, and I look forward to more entries.
Just a quick note for those that do not know the biggest building in the aerial Pictures 2 & 3 is the 1966 Bottling House even in a aerial Picture it is giant in size. In its day it was a power House for Bottling Whiskies and Gin's and every type of Spirit! When it was operating it was amazing to walk in there and see so many people around 450 + busy doing stuff and so much stuff coming off the Lines!
Dave Z
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It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-11-2008, 07:09
Here are some more Pictures starting with a couple from the Government Building O and then the rest walking toward the front of the Plant. The Next set I will put up will be the old Buildings out front I will put some of those shots here tomorrow.
Pictures are
1. O Government Building main staircase walking into the Plant from out back.
2. O Building Lunch and Break room & 2. A is Water Distilling room at Building O
3. Looking down at the warehouse going front from O building
4. Looking Toward the Back of the Plant from O Building
5. Shot of the back side of O Building
6. Great Shot walking down the steps on the bank from O building of the Complete 1966 Bottling House, now that winter has come and the weeds are dying This shot really shows how long this building is!
7. Incoming Whiskey Tanks at far side of Bottling house
8. Front Water Tower
9. Old 1958 Ford sitting abandon under the graffiti it says Continental Distilling Corp Linfield Pa!
10 Warehouse L
11. 1958 Ford sitting
12. Stainless tank sitting on its side
13. Front Water tower
14. Bottling House Power room next to Bottling house mantaince across from Case Warehousing inside.
15. Water Tower in front Looking from beside old Warehouse H
Hope these Pictures are enjoyable for the Most part except when the Sky Darkened they turned out pretty Good with my New Nikon, I will Post more tomorrow!
Dave Z
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It seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-11-2008, 13:46
Just a quick Note I just got off the Phone with Ludy and He told me the 1966 Bottling House was as long as two Football fields or around = 600 Feet Long. He was thinking about it as I told him how very Big it is and I had been in it again and He said he was pretty Sure that was how long it was across the front from one end to another. As the other warehouses were it was totally Explosion proof and He worked in it Many years from about when it opened in late 1965 till Fall 1980 in mantaince.
Dave Z
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Jono
11-11-2008, 23:13
Time to restore that 58 Ford!

dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 07:09
Here some good pictures taken Sunday at the front of the Plant!
Pictures are
1.Front of 1966 Bottling house
2. Last Grain Building before grain went to the #12 Still
3. & 4. Old Plant Mantaince Barn
5. Old Grain Drying Building Where Charlie Kept his Buggy
6. Looking at the Old Kinsey Bottling House roof now having fallen down and knocked the Wall down too
7.Kinsey #10 Rye Barn

Note Picture 10 is looking out from the Back of Dickie Peifers shop Picture 12 is the back door out it goes between the Old Warehouse A wall and the front door there is into old Warehouse A built in 1892.

8,9,10,11,12 These are Pictures of the Shop where Dickie Kept all the trucks and cars running He even put Motors in them here! It is a space Between the old Kinsey A&B Warehouses and the #10 Rye Building. I have a good many Pictures yet of the #10 Barn and Maitaince Barn and the Old Kinsey Bottling House which i will Post tomorrow here!
Dave Z
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Jono
11-12-2008, 07:48
Dave, you must be quite happy with the new camera! Nice shots...I like the guardian fire extinguisher standing at attention.

Were the old buildings left to fall down while the plant was operating in the new facilities? Most of them appear too far gone to rehab...those would have been the ones to save for a future distillery tour.