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photogjunkie
12-14-2006, 23:09
It would have to be that bottle of Pappy 20 that I found last week.

FlashPuppy
12-15-2006, 05:51
There's a BMH 21 I have been eyein' pretty hard lately....

Joeluka
12-15-2006, 08:30
Both of the Bottles of LeNell's Red Hook Rye I picked up yesterday are Christmas gifts for me. My Sister and Father-in-Law are paying for them. Good people those two.

JDutton
12-15-2006, 09:00
Well, actually I picked up several bottles on a trip to Omaha a few weeks ago. These were all varieties that aren't available in Sioux Falls. I've opened some of them but gave the Lot B and ORVW 10/107 to my wife and asked her to give them to me for Christmas. :cool:

Empty Glass
12-16-2006, 16:19
My thinking goes like this. The bottle of Pappy 23 that I ordered yesterday is going to be from mom using that $100 she gives me every year for Christmas.. even though I'm 45. Thanks mom! Oh yeah I get $100 for my birthday too! You can call me mama's boy but wait 'till I'm tipping my first pour and I'll toast to that.

SBOmarc
12-16-2006, 16:20
I am easily pleased.

Any bottle from any distillery.

camduncan
12-16-2006, 21:53
Anything Van Winkle would suit me fine :D
....or something from Heaven Hill
...... or something from Bufallo Trace
......... or anything from any distillery that isn't retailing to Australia :cool:

straightwhiskeyruffneck
12-16-2006, 22:47
three, because:

forester barrel reserve, i'm a big forester fan. never seen this one, pretty sure its no longer made.

four roses single barrel, 'cause i cant buy it here! (i'll get some when i go to kentucky this spring because i dont expect to get this one for x mas)

old pogue, i've never had this one. and i like how its the only whiskey these folks make.

gothbat
12-16-2006, 23:11
Assuming they are still there I would like to have the 3 WLW's that were sitting on the shelf at the liquor store the last time I was there. The only way this will happen is if I buy them myself though, the only people I exchange gifts with either don't shop at this store and wouldn't think to buy them even if they saw them, won't purchase liquor as a gift for me, or aren't old enough to buy them. I'm tempted to buy them, wrap them, put them under the tree, and feign surprise on X-mas morning when we are all opening presents. :)

HighTower
12-16-2006, 23:57
My thinking goes like this. The bottle of Pappy 23 that I ordered yesterday is going to be from mom using that $100 she gives me every year for Christmas.. even though I'm 45. Thanks mom! Oh yeah I get $100 for my birthday too! You can call me mama's boy but wait 'till I'm tipping my first pour and I'll toast to that.

What I'd like to know is where the hell you're getting Pappy 23 for $100!!:skep:
Scott

Old Lamplighter
12-17-2006, 00:49
I would be happy with another 2005 Saz 18 to replace the one I foolishly broke by accident.:hot:

Don't think I have been that good of a boy this year though. So, I would settle for some 06 Handy or WLW.

cowdery
12-17-2006, 04:08
three, because:

forester barrel reserve, i'm a big forester fan. never seen this one, pretty sure its no longer made.

four roses single barrel, 'cause i cant buy it here! (i'll get some when i go to kentucky this spring because i dont expect to get this one for x mas)

old pogue, i've never had this one. and i like how its the only whiskey these folks make.

I can help you cross one off your list: Old Pogue. You might say it's the only whiskey those folks don't make, as it's a KBD bottling of Heaven Hill whiskey.

Special Reserve
12-17-2006, 07:06
What I'd like to know is where the hell you're getting Pappy 23 for $100!!:skep:
Scott

This fall I stopped in a party store in a neighboring town that I've never been in before and on the shelf sat a bottle of PVW 23 with the PVW 20 price.

After looking around for a few minutes, the conversation went like this:

Clerk: "May I help you find anything?"

Me: "I think I found something. How much for the Pappy?"

Clerk: "The state price. $104.98 plus tax."

Me: "Do you take Master Charge?"

We both were happy. (But I think I was happier.)

The next week I went back to pick up the two Eagle Rare 101 10yr old bottles on their shelves.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-17-2006, 08:01
three, because:

forester barrel reserve, i'm a big forester fan. never seen this one, pretty sure its no longer made.

The Old Forester barrel reserve 96 was, to my knowledge. only sold in duty-free shops at US airports.

It was produced specifically for the summer olympics in Atlanta. I have no idea how much was made and for how long it was available.

Some of them found their way to Europe and the odd bottle can still be seen in specialist shops. I´m also pretty sure that it is no longer in production.

Empty Glass
12-17-2006, 09:52
Sorry my friend I already mentally included the birthday money. I just paid $200 + shipping. No tax.

nor02lei
12-17-2006, 13:47
The Old Forester barrel reserve 96 was, to my knowledge. only sold in duty-free shops at US airports.

It was produced specifically for the summer olympics in Atlanta. I have no idea how much was made and for how long it was available.

Some of them found their way to Europe and the odd bottle can still be seen in specialist shops. I´m also pretty sure that it is no longer in production.

Lennart,

I did taste Forester 96 on our second Borlänge Bourbon Boys tasting last night. It was a Forester-Woodford tasting and to my personal taste a very good tasting in general. I will come back to it later at the tasting subject Forester 96 did differ more from Forester 100 than I had expected. It was sweeter, spicier and a bit less floral than 100. I would say it was generally punchier but I really like them both and gave them the same 86 point in the100 point scale.
Since I am out of the original subject I must say that another one of the OFBB 2005 that I got open right now would be a gift I would appreciate.

Leif

straightwhiskeyruffneck
12-17-2006, 19:28
I can help you cross one off your list: Old Pogue. You might say it's the only whiskey those folks don't make, as it's a KBD bottling of Heaven Hill whiskey.


wow! i had no idea. what a cheap trick, calling themselves the old pogue distillery

TNbourbon
12-17-2006, 19:47
wow! i had no idea. what a cheap trick, calling themselves the old pogue distillery

Actually, not all that uncommon. There are quite a few bourbons bottled by 'distilleries' which purchase their whiskey.

straightwhiskeyruffneck
12-17-2006, 20:58
Actually, not all that uncommon. There are quite a few bourbons bottled by 'distilleries' which purchase their whiskey.

guess i need to do my homework

Rughi
12-17-2006, 20:59
Actually, not all that uncommon. There are quite a few bourbons bottled by 'distilleries' which purchase their whiskey.

Agreed, most notably Van Winkle products.

Funny, I never read anyone feeling cheated by Julian's bulk market buying practices - but I read what are meant to be shocking and damning statements like POGUE DOESN'T DISTILL or KBD DOESN'T DISTILL all the time.

To me, the biggest problem with Pogue is that there are several middle men taking a cut (Chuck "outs" HH and KBD), making it overpriced. I like the bottle of Pogue I have better than the ORVW 10/107 that I have (2003 bottling?), but I wouldn't buy Pogue often at the mid-$40s price I paid for my curiosity.

Roger

smokinjoe
12-17-2006, 21:31
I can help you cross one off your list: Old Pogue. You might say it's the only whiskey those folks don't make, as it's a KBD bottling of Heaven Hill whiskey.

No need to take the Old Pogue off your list. Regardless of where it originates, it is fine whiskey in my opinion, and the Pogue family are fine people. I find Old Pogue to have a very nice butterscotch taste that I find very appealing.

Take your shot at it this Christmas if you like, I think you will enjoy it. If it doesn't agree with you, then you at least know for yourself.
Cheers!

JOE

cowdery
12-18-2006, 23:50
Although, yes, Van Winkle doesn't distill, and people should know that, they get a bit of a pass because Julian has a terrific palate and does an exceptional job of selecting outstanding barrels. He also offers extra-aged whiskeys of a quality that simply is not duplicated by any other producer.

Even as Van Winkle evolves into a "brand" of Buffalo Trace, I think that quality will remain. While it's logical to assume that producers who sell bulk whiskey might tend to hold back their best stock, I think Van Winkle is positioned to be a showcase for some of BT's best.

Julian may be good, but he's not infallible. He essentially rejected as too old the rye whiskey for which Doug, LeNell and others are getting rave reviews. Which is to say that KBD and similar companies have their role to play too.

I agree that the Pogues and KBD did a good job putting that product together and that the Pogues are very nice people. They do have a real family history in the business and it's nice, for that reason, to see their name on a bottle. I wish them all the best and always have. I never meant to suggest, and don't think I did suggest, that it wasn't a very fine bottle of whiskey. It is; though I also agree it is over-priced for what it is.

However, if they are leading people to believe that they "made" it, in the way most people understand that term, then that's wrong and I believe it's a service to let the uninformed know the real facts.

If we, as consumers, put a premium on honesty, we will get more honesty. If we, as consumers, put a premium on "real" distillers, maybe we will get more of those too.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-19-2006, 01:12
If we, as consumers, put a premium on honesty, we will get more honesty. If we, as consumers, put a premium on "real" distillers, maybe we will get more of those too.

I couldn´t agree more.

nor02lei
12-19-2006, 02:15
If we, as consumers, put a premium on honesty, we will get more honesty. If we, as consumers, put a premium on "real" distillers, maybe we will get more of those too.

That goes for me as well!

Leif

Rughi
12-19-2006, 09:57
That goes for me as well!

Leif

And for me!!!

And furthermore, the more we show a willingness to buy different expressions of a distillery's product (even if the expressions come via an independent bottler), the more likely we may get the distillery to release more expressions of the products in their warehouses.

The way I see it, HH was pulled (or emboldened) into releasing their excellent 21 year Rittenhouse because Julian and KBD were having so much success selling excellent bulk market products. If I understand the history of Single Malt, it was the independent bottlers who were virtually the only source for most single malts until the distilleries saw that the malts they were blending away could be a lucrative niche market. And, until the explosion of microbreweries, the American major beer labels were stodgily offering ever more watered down beers as innovative (less filling! no bitter beer face!) but are now trying to change their corporate cultures enough that they can react with beers that step _part of the way_ towards the excitement the microbrewers have created.

I think in Bourbon that the independent bottlers are more leading the way towards more and better choices for enthusiasts than foisting off generic crap on an unsuspecting public (it takes a lot of marketing muscle to do that on the huge scale of America, so two or three majors have that market share largely cornered).

Pogue would be a good, and distinct, bourbon if HH had decided to release that profile themselves (but they didn't). Old Bardstown NAS has a delightful play between a recognizable young HH-style menthol/clove and a very old murky/dry wood that tastes of blending in small amounts of much older product (no major distillery is interested in using that concept so aggressively, as far as I know). And, for every major distiller who sees fit to offer a product such as Booker or Stagg (or 4-grain or BTEC), there are five distinctive bottlings of independent bottler products such as BMH, Vintage Bourbon, or ORVW. Enthusiasts have responded to these releases and independent bottlers have largely created the market for the most exciting products available today.

If we, as consumers, put a premium on innovative and more varied niche products, we will get more exciting niche products. If we, as consumers, show support to the little guys who are trying to break into a multi-national corporation's industry, maybe we will get more "real" distillers too.

Let's get behind the independent bottlers leading the way AND the distillers who can see their way to follow the path!

Roger

OscarV
12-19-2006, 14:37
George T Stagg, haven't had before this year.
I am into one now, the 2004 release.
From what I have hear the original 2002 release was the best.
So my answer would be the 2002 release of GTS.

cowdery
12-19-2006, 15:09
Roger (Rughi),

What you said is exactly what I meant when I wrote, "KBD and similar companies have their role to play too." You described exactly the role of independent bottlers.

Unfortunately, one difference between independent bottlers of single malts and independent bottlers of American straights is that the UK bottlers disclose the distillery. In fact, that's their major selling point. In the US, they don't, and frequently invent some fictional pedigree instead.

The two marketplaces are different and there are some good reasons why US independents won't, and often can't, disclose the source of their spirit, but that's the one big gripe I have with US practice.

Glad I've got the Swedish contingent onboard, though.

Peter_Pogue
12-19-2006, 17:08
I wholeheartedly agree with many of the posts in this thread. We have never tried to hide the source of our product and we certainly have never tried to mislead anyone by calling ourselves "The Old Pogue Distillery". Our name and our product were chosen for heritage and historical purposes, not to attempt to imply that we somehow distill our brand. We chose who blends our product very carefully as we feel they are the best and well respected and were the perfect match for what we are trying to do; namely, have more of the original Kentucky families who developed the Kentucky bourbon industry involved in the industry once again. As most know it is very easy to know who and who does not actually distill, and that issue itself has been the subject of many threads here. Honesty should be a premium and there certainly could be quite a bit of "outing" for those who cannot trace their product history.
All of us would like to see more "distillers" but the reality is it is nearly cost prohibitive until our government eases restrictions on microdistilling. Continuing to put a premium on "real" distillers will only lead to less innovative products and less overall selection. Julian, KBD, and others like them have led the way in creating products whose taste profiles are unmatched in quality which in turn has made the "real" distillers attempt to compete at that level of quality. That seems to be good for everyone. Roger's points on this issue echo my sentiments exactly.

Peter Pogue

CrispyCritter
12-19-2006, 17:11
Unfortunately, one difference between independent bottlers of single malts and independent bottlers of American straights is that the UK bottlers disclose the distillery. In fact, that's their major selling point. In the US, they don't, and frequently invent some fictional pedigree instead.


That isn't always the case though - sometimes single-malt casks are sold under terms that prohibit naming the distillery, and other times distillers have tried to bully independent bottlers (as in the case of the Murray McDavid Leapfrog (http://www.murray-mcdavid.com/gossip/_disc1/00000004.htm) controversy, which was eventually resolved in MMcD's favor).

ratcheer
12-19-2006, 17:38
Today, I saw Old Forester Birthday Bourbon - 2006. That would make a great present for me. :cool:

Tim

FlashPuppy
12-19-2006, 18:28
Roger's points on this issue echo my sentiments exactly.

Peter Pogue


Peter,

Thank you for chiming in on this. It is nice to know that you stand behind your products, and are willing to defend them.

gr8erdane
12-22-2006, 04:01
I'm thinking for Christmas I'd like a bourbon available that I'm not likely to pay the price for (mainly because I'm cheap) and that would include either the 23 yr old Evan Williams direct from HH's gift shop signed by Parker and Craig or a Pappy 23 signed by Julian.

JDutton
12-23-2006, 12:35
My wife and I happened to stop in a local liquor store for some wine today. We don't usually visit this particular store, but they happen to carry the wine we wanted. Well, I started poking around in the bourbon section and was floored to see the entire Antique collection on the shelf. :bigeyes:

Talked to the store proprieter for a few minutes about it. They got 3 bottles of each and probably have 2 bottles of each left. At over $300 for the complete set they're all out of my reach, but sure would make a nice Christmas present. Unfortunately, my wife has finished her shopping for this year (sigh).

Any suggestions on which ONE to buy if you were only going to buy a single bottle?

Jeff

ThomasH
12-23-2006, 12:52
Ask the store owner if he has layaway and buy one of each! If you can still only pick one, get the WLW 2006 as it is Stitzel Weller whiskey!

Thomas