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darkluna
12-29-2006, 08:47
Hudson Baby Bourbon is the first legal pot-distilled whiskey to be made in New York since the start of Prohibition. The bourbon is pot-distilled from 100% New York State corn and was double distilled and aged in a three gallon American Oak cask. The Baby Bourbon, which gets its name from its scant three month aging process, is produced at the Tutthilltown Gristmill, a National Historic Site.

More information here at the Poughkeepsie Journal (http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200661226021)

fog
12-29-2006, 09:15
I thought that it took at least two years of aging to make a bourbon.

EDIT: I now noticed that it is 100% corn. Why did they decide to call it bourbon?

TNbourbon
12-29-2006, 09:23
I thought that it took at least two years of aging to make a bourbon.

EDIT: I now noticed that it is 100% corn. Why did they decide to call it bourbon?

If it otherwise meets qualifications, it's bourbon from the time it's made. It must be aged two years to be 'straight' bourbon.
As for the corn, while the lower limit is 51%, there is no upper limit. Old Charter is famously at least 80% corn. So, qualifying as a corn whiskey doesn't disqualify it from being bourbon.

Joeluka
12-30-2006, 09:33
It's 100% New York grown corn. Not a 100 % corn mashbill.

I picked up a bottle of this and the Un-aged version, Old Gristmill, yesterday. When I open them I'll report back...

cowdery
12-30-2006, 10:37
The legal difference between corn whiskey and bourbon is that bourbon must be aged in new cooperage. Corn whiskey either is aged in used cooperage or not aged at all.

drli
12-31-2006, 18:22
I also thought that in order to be called Bourbon, it had to be made in KY??

FlashPuppy
12-31-2006, 22:38
I also thought that in order to be called Bourbon, it had to be made in KY??


To be called Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, it must be made in Kentucky. Bourbon doesn't have to come from Kentucky. There is also the Old Potrero Bourbon which is made in California.

barturtle
12-31-2006, 23:36
I also thought that in order to be called Bourbon, it had to be made in KY??

Bourbon is a distinctive product of the United States, so it can and has been made in many states, the fact that most bourbon is currently made in KY tends to confuse people on this fact.

barturtle
12-31-2006, 23:37
To be called Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, it must be made in Kentucky. Bourbon doesn't have to come from Kentucky. There is also the Old Potrero Bourbon which is made in California.

Old Potrero makes a bourbon? I wasn't aware of this, I know they make ryes, but bourbon is news to me.

Virus_Of_Life
01-01-2007, 00:34
Old Potrero makes a bourbon? I wasn't aware of this, I know they make ryes, but bourbon is news to me.

No I don't believe they do, I think they make Rye and a 19th century style spirit that I don't think they even conisder a whiskey... Not sure though. Never had any of them, not yet anyway.

But really; Rye, Bourbon it's all American Straight Whiskey and that's what is important, right?!?!

FlashPuppy
01-01-2007, 00:47
No I don't believe they do, I think they make Rye and a 19th century style spirit that I don't think they even conisder a whiskey... Not sure though. Never had any of them, not yet anyway.

But really; Rye, Bourbon it's all American Straight Whiskey and that's what is important, right?!?!


I may in fact be drunk. Belay my last post about them making bourbon.

TNbourbon
01-01-2007, 09:24
To be called Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, it must be made in Kentucky...

Additionally, it has to be aged in Kentucky for at least a year, with continued aging at least another year.

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-02-2007, 05:30
Okay. It's not a straight whiskey. It may or may not be 100% corn. But, it IS Bourbon! Pot Still!
:woohoo:

I want a bottle!

Ed

Joeluka
01-02-2007, 06:08
It's 100% New York grown corn. Not a 100 % corn mash-bill.

I picked up a bottle of this and the UN-aged version, Old Gristmill, yesterday. When I open them I'll report back...


When I'm wrong I will admit it. I am wrong, the mash-bill is 100% Hudson Valley Corn. I sent an E-Mail to the distiller asking about the "Baby" and Old Gristmill. I was sent back-
" The mash bill for both the Corn Whiskey and the Baby Bourbon is the same. It is 100% New York Corn, only. We do have three and four grain bourbons in oak "

I have now tried Both. The Old Gristmill is a very smooth corn whiskey. The "Baby" Bourbon is good. It tastes young, very, very young. I think I really like it, but I'll have to drink more of it to truly find out.

LeNell has both bottles for sale so if you want one give her a call. If she can't ship to you PM me and I will help anyone out.

Gillman
01-02-2007, 09:43
Joe, thanks for your impression, you are the first person to report on this board a taste note for a bourbon made by the first new distiller to release product since Maker's Mark in the 1950's!

Gary

Virus_Of_Life
01-02-2007, 09:51
Gary, you're not just a little excited about this now are you?

I am very curious about that statement "we have three and four grain bourbons in oak", did you get any further info on that Joe?

Gillman
01-02-2007, 10:13
I can only speak for myself but bourbon is the classic American spirit and I find it of a major significance (culturally, commercially) that this is the first new company since Maker's Mark (as far as I know) to release a bourbon whiskey.

Gary

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-02-2007, 17:43
When I'm wrong I will admit it. I am wrong, the mash-bill is 100% Hudson Valley Corn. I sent an E-Mail to the distiller asking about the "Baby" and Old Gristmill. I was sent back-
" The mash bill for both the Corn Whiskey and the Baby Bourbon is the same. It is 100% New York Corn, only. We do have three and four grain bourbons in oak "

I have now tried Both. The Old Gristmill is a very smooth corn whiskey. The "Baby" Bourbon is good. It tastes young, very, very young. I think I really like it, but I'll have to drink more of it to truly find out.

LeNell has both bottles for sale so if you want one give her a call. If she can't ship to you PM me and I will help anyone out.

Do you have a phone number for LaNell?

Ed

DrinkyBanjo
01-02-2007, 19:04
Just go to: www.lenells.com

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-02-2007, 23:34
Thanks Tim!

Here is what I found:

HUDSON BABY BOURBON (1ST ED.)http://www.lenells.com/img/x.gif$100

Oops! More than I expected...

Ed

Str8RYE
01-02-2007, 23:47
That's for the first barrel. The second is going for $37.00 a bottle.

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-03-2007, 00:01
That's for the first barrel. The second is going for $37.00 a bottle.

That's a relief! I am interested again.

Ed

jeff
01-03-2007, 14:28
Wow, at $100 I think I'll pass...

Somebody let me know when a new distillery produces a "straight" bourbon...

tlsmothers
02-15-2007, 17:21
Lordy, it's been way too long since I've been able to talk whiskey here. Miss y'all! I'm so swamped with work that I just laugh everytime I think about all those wonderful nights I used to slow down near closing and read and post.

Ralph Erenzo of Tuthilltown Spirits came to me last year with his corn whiskey. He's so young in the biz and hurting for cash flow that vodka, of course, made sense, and the corn whiskey doesn't set him way back financially, either. I sat him down and had him taste through various white dogs, Woodford 4 Grain, and various other "experimental" things. Encouraged him to put some whiskey in barrel. He left and got all inspired. Not only did he put corn whiskey in barrel, but he made a 4 grain, a peated rye, some malt whiskey, plus various other spirits. I later visited to see how things were going and was tickled to taste through so many spirits he had in small barrels. Aging in 3, 5, and 10 gallon barrels means the spirit does take to the wood a lot quicker. They can't afford to put a bunch of spirit away right now and wait two years so be patient with them. BTW, I had a bottle of his corn whiskey at the Sampler last year.

We launched 72 bottles of the first batch of his "baby bourbon." Price tag was high, I know, but folks grabbed up the "collectible" bottles. I wax dipped the first 72 and stamped the top with my "L". (I already had the pot hot from the Red Hook Rye waxing.) The second batch involved around 400 bottles. We have the third batch now which is much lighter than the first two. Around 100 bottles released with that batch.

We're waiting on his label approval to bottle his rye and get it on the shelf.

Is this the first new distiller since Maker's Mark making bourbon? Triple 8 Distillery in Nantucket made bourbon before this called Nor'Easter, but it is not available outside the distillery, I don't believe. They sent me a sample that I really enjoyed as a young whiskey.

I'm getting calls every week from folks wanting to start up. We're about to see an explosion of micro-distillation, I believe.

Joeluka
02-15-2007, 17:32
When's the next batch of Red Hook Rye coming out?????:rolleyes:

Gillman
02-15-2007, 18:16
Excellent report from Lenell, lots happening in craft distilling in New York.

Was Triple 8's Nor'Easter craft-made locally or bulk-sourced? I am not sure, I thought the latter.

Anyway, things are heating up. A peated rye? Wow.

Gary

CrispyCritter
02-15-2007, 21:04
Not only did he put corn whiskey in barrel, but he made a 4 grain, a peated rye, some malt whiskey, plus various other spirits.

A peated rye - now that sounds intriguing. I hope it works out well!

cowdery
02-16-2007, 18:31
I have been very critical of craft distillers in general so even though I haven't tried this stuff, on paper, at least, this is what craft distillers should be doing. For all the whiners who say the federal regs are too restrictive, here is somebody who has managed to make a product he can sell a few months after he made it and is still able to put "bourbon" on the label.

See, now that wasn't so hard, was it?