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jinenjo
01-26-2007, 22:14
Being that I'm of modest funds and space, I bought a 3 liter medium char barrel recently. Being that I'm a rye fiend I wish to rebarrel some form of rye.

Here's what spirits I have ready and my thoughts to go in the barrel:

Because it's such a small barrel I know it will age quickly. So I decided for the main bulk to be Beam rye. Not my favorite but cheap enough for the experiment. Plus it seems light enough in body that it might pick up some interesting flavors from the wood.

I did consider WT rye, however it is more expensive and (I'm guessing) already aged longer (or is it simply darker because it's 101 proof compared to Beam's 80 proof?). Regardless, that's what I have.

Actually, I purchased two liter bottles of the rye and am thinking to enhance it with a little of something else. Currently I'm sitting on a mostly full Old Potrero (18th Cent. style) that's 124.3 proof, which I feel may add a nice dimension and some extra ABV. Plus it was aged only three years or so, AND in uncharred barrels.

As for the final bit of spirit, I'm undecided. I may just go for more Beam rye.

Anyhow, my final thought is on the aging. The barrel is sitting by my west-facing window (the only one with direct sun) and I'm waiting for the season to change because then as the sun sets during the spring and summer months the sun hits the window and heats things up. I would have already barreled the stuff by now but figured I at least try and achieve some measure of temperature changes. I'm thinking due to the expectedly brief time in the barrel I'd attempt to duplicate seasonal temperatures by ulitlizing day/night temperatures. A micro-aging, if you will.

That's all for now. I'm open to any thoughts, questions, and suggestions from those who've rebarreled or not.

A closing question: I'm I just thinking too hard about this? Is such a small barrel going to "get spent" a lot faster than I hope?

Cheers,
Lear:drinking:

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-27-2007, 03:02
Sounds like a nice experiment. Good idea on adding the higher proof Old Potrero, as long as it is not too precious to use.

If you can afford it how about topping up with WT Rye? At 101 proof it wouldn't dilute things. And you should have some left so you would have a nice rye to drink while it starts aging.


ed

HighTower
01-27-2007, 03:48
One thing you didn't mention, which I'm sure you have done, is preparing your barrel. Fill it up with water for like 24 hours, and make sure it has no leaks.

I'm with Ed, use the 101 Turkey Rye, or even for a little more, Saz Jr.

Scott

jinenjo
01-27-2007, 09:39
One thing you didn't mention, which I'm sure you have done, is preparing your barrel. Fill it up with water for like 24 hours, and make sure it has no leaks.

I'm with Ed, use the 101 Turkey Rye, or even for a little more, Saz Jr.

Scott

The barrel instructions say three days with water. I can't afford leaks, that's for sure.

As for the last amount I actually was considering Turkey Rye or the Saz Jr, since I won't be dumping the full bottles in there but it'll surely add more depth to the vatting. Rittenhouse BIB was another consideration.

FlashPuppy
01-27-2007, 09:49
The barrel instructions say three days with water. I can't afford leaks, that's for sure.

As for the last amount I actually was considering Turkey Rye or the Saz Jr, since I won't be dumping the full bottles in there but it'll surely add more depth to the vatting. Rittenhouse BIB was another consideration.

If you want to add some real depth, throw some Thomas H. Handy in there. I think that would be real interesting. I have been wanting to try a rebarrel with Bookers, but talk about an expensive experiment....

jinenjo
01-27-2007, 18:37
If you want to add some real depth, throw some Thomas H. Handy in there. .

That might give me an excuse to open the bottle of Handy I've been sitting on for over a month...

My hesitation would be that it's already too old. Not that 10 yr. old rye (or however old Handy may be) is bad, it's just I want to see if I can bring some barrel aging traits to the young stuff.

Edward_call_me_Ed
01-27-2007, 19:23
If you want to add some real depth, throw some Thomas H. Handy in there. I think that would be real interesting. I have been wanting to try a rebarrel with Bookers, but talk about an expensive experiment....

Now that sounds interesting! It would be expensive, but with a three liter barrel, it might be doable. I don't think you would have to fill it completely full. How much did your barrel cost, Jinenjo?

Ed

jinenjo
01-27-2007, 19:29
I got it on from the Old World Barrel Co. for around $50. Good deal!

dougdog
01-31-2007, 15:15
Lear,

Let me be the first to offer you a sever and complete arse kickin' if you dump Thomas Handy rye into a rebarel project!

IMHO, the object of rebarreling is to help a good whisky or blend of good whiskies get better or become different...

Why would anyone want to change Thomas Handy Rye? ...in any way shape or form?

I mean really!!!

dp

BTW, bring that THR over to my place and i'll give your three Rittenhouse bib's for it!

smokinjoe
01-31-2007, 18:26
Unholy Casablanca Lear!!!:eek: Please, PLEASE don't put the Handy in this one. :cry: I just have to say that I got Dog's back in this arse whoopin' (we say whoopin' in the South) if you dump the Handy in!! Seriously, you can do whatever you want, it's your experiment and dollar, but IMHO, take the Dog's advice, or stay with your first instincts.

Tell us how it goes!
:toast:
JOE

Grain Brain
01-31-2007, 19:15
Lear, I think you should go with your first instinct. Telling us that your Potrero bottle is 'mostly full' leads me to believe that you've sampled this. From what I hear, it's a good history lesson, but really isn't that exceptional a whiskey due to the young age. If you've sated your curiosity on the Potrero, and if you think it could use some work, then I say, by all means, throw that puppy in. Sure, it's an expensive choice, but it may just add that extra something to the Beam, and it will most certainly, I think, benefit from barrel aging.

jinenjo
01-31-2007, 22:38
That might give me an excuse to open the bottle of Handy I've been sitting on for over a month...


No arse whoppin' shall be necessary, boys. I was just kidding. Jeez!

Seriously though, the thought of increasing the entry proof is appealing. See below (and the new redirected post).

Cheers,
Lear

p.s. I just realized this is in the General Boubon Discussion page. For respect, I shall move all new posts hereafter to the Other American Whiskies page.

TnSquire
02-01-2007, 12:35
Because it's such a small barrel I know it will age quickly.
Cheers,
Lear:drinking:

If you really want to age it quickly provide some shaking action to it. I have always wondered if you put young whiskey in a small barrel like that and put it in a paint shaker like they have at home depot how quickly it would "age" I suspect rather quickly.

AVB
02-03-2007, 07:44
They do have shakers for the 5 gallon paint buckets, I would think a 5 gallon barrel would fit in it and I do know someone who works there.........

I'm not sure if this would "age" any faster since I always thought it was the cycle of seeping into the wood and then the being pushed out due to temperature changes that did the aging (among other things of course)


If you really want to age it quickly provide some shaking action to it. I have always wondered if you put young whiskey in a small barrel like that and put it in a paint shaker like they have at home depot how quickly it would "age" I suspect rather quickly.

SBOmarc
02-03-2007, 22:32
Lear,

Let me be the first to offer you a sever and complete arse kickin' if you dump Thomas Handy rye into a rebarel project!

IMHO, the object of rebarreling is to help a good whisky or blend of good whiskies get better or become different...

Why would anyone want to change Thomas Handy Rye? ...in any way shape or form?

I mean really!!!

dp

BTW, bring that THR over to my place and i'll give your three Rittenhouse bib's for it!

Please, please, please.

Do not use the TB Handy.

FlashPuppy
02-03-2007, 22:51
I don't understand everyone's problem with using the Handy. What's the big deal? Okay, so it IS good whiskey. So it IS rare.

Lear wants to raise the proof and doesn't want to water down the flavor. I would donate my THH to this project if it came to it.

I just don't see why everyone has such a problem with this? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Edward_call_me_Ed
02-04-2007, 02:56
I don't understand everyone's problem with using the Handy. What's the big deal? Okay, so it IS good whiskey. So it IS rare.

Lear wants to raise the proof and doesn't want to water down the flavor. I would donate my THH to this project if it came to it.

I just don't see why everyone has such a problem with this? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I wasn't really shocked by it either, but, as someone else said, isn't the point to age a young whiskey to see what you get? Now, if it was a vatting experiment I would say, use the Handy. In fact, I might try an in the glass vatting when I get home from the in-laws. It should only take a few drops of the Handy to have a big effect on the JB Rye.

Ed

Ed

SBOmarc
02-06-2007, 18:58
IMHO I would want the Handy to be tasted in its pure form. The fact that it is hard to find and in very limited circulation is just another factor.

TnSquire
02-06-2007, 19:59
They do have shakers for the 5 gallon paint buckets, I would think a 5 gallon barrel would fit in it and I do know someone who works there.........

I'm not sure if this would "age" any faster since I always thought it was the cycle of seeping into the wood and then the being pushed out due to temperature changes that did the aging (among other things of course)


Of course it wont warp the time space continuum and cause the rye to literally age faster. :lol: But it can help give it a nice color and woodiness.