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Can anyone direct me to some place to get this one? I made a grave mistake not getting it when it was readily available this past year. Thanks.
darkluna
03-23-2007, 21:26
It's like pirate treasure and "cannot be found, except for those who already know where it is." Seriously I hope you find some, it's terrific stuff. I should go sniff my empty bottle now....
BourbonJoe
03-24-2007, 13:44
IMHO it is as close to barrel proof SW as you can get, if it isn't the real thing. Just my take.
Joe :usflag:
GREAT! Now I want it even more!! :)
mjomalle
03-24-2007, 16:33
I have seen it on the shelves as recently as last week.
I've seen a bunch of them too...If you can't find one pm me and the next time I'm visiting my daughter I will pick up a few of them for you.
Bettye Jo
I have seen it on the shelves as recently as last week.
tango-papa
03-25-2007, 12:51
Please...
Can anyone confirm one way or the other...
Is the 2006 BTAC William Larue Weller a Stitzel-Weller whiskey?
If yes, great, I managed to find and bunker 6 bottles.
If no, then I've got 5 bottles up for trade.
Thanks,
~tp
jburlowski
03-25-2007, 12:54
Please...
Can anyone confirm one way or the other...
Is the 2006 BTAC William Larue Weller a Stitzel-Weller whiskey?
If yes, great, I managed to find and bunker 6 bottles.
If no, then I've got 5 bottles up for trade.
Thanks,
~tp
Whether it's S_W or not, this is great whiskey. Hope you've sampled some before you make the trade decision.
From what I know and have read here, the WL Weller 19 year is SW whisky, the WLW '06 is not.
tango-papa
03-25-2007, 17:33
Whether it's S_W or not, this is great whiskey. Hope you've sampled some before you make the trade decision.
I agree, it's quite tasty.
I now have it on very good authority, that it's very, very unlikely of S-W provenance.
I also, personally, think it to be rather 'uncool' that BT has allowed this info to go unchecked :hot:.
But then, what do I know about the whiskey business :rolleyes: (and yes, I am fully aware that my statement might well ruffle quite a few feathers...).
~tp
Has BT ever suggested that WLW is SW? I believe they have done exactly the opposite. The fact sheet included with cases of the product says: "Distiller: Buffalo Trace Distillery, Franklin County, Kentucky."
So what, exactly, has BT done that is "uncool"?
As for Weller 19, in Volume 7, Number 1 of the Bourbon Country Reader, I quote BT President Mark Brown as follows: "Weller 19 was part of the stock of old Stitzel-Weller inventory that came along with the Weller purchase."
So, BT has always said that Weller 19 is SW and WLW is not. What am I missing?
tango-papa
03-25-2007, 21:36
Has BT ever suggested that WLW is SW? I believe they have done exactly the opposite. The fact sheet included with cases of the product says: "Distiller: Buffalo Trace Distillery, Franklin County, Kentucky."
So what, exactly, has BT done that is "uncool"?
As for Weller 19, in Volume 7, Number 1 of the Bourbon Country Reader, I quote BT President Mark Brown as follows: "Weller 19 was part of the stock of old Stitzel-Weller inventory that came along with the Weller purchase."
So, BT has always said that Weller 19 is SW and WLW is not. What am I missing?
Chuck,
I have 2 cases and thus 2 copies of the WLW fact sheet and am fully aware of what it states regarding the distiller.
There's more than one of the Buffalo Trace fellas that are on this site from time to time. I'd wager more than that read it as well. Comstock has been reported to have "verified" the '06 WLW as S-W product via an e-mail to a member here (of course it's possible that member could have been lying).
I don't think you're missing anything.
I do think I ruffled your feathers.
I think the fellas at BT are aware of this discussion / topic and I think it's uncool that it's been left 'unchecked'.
This is my opinion, and again, I'm certain it will ruffle a few (more) feathers. Then again, tact, sugar coating, political correctness or whatever it's called these days has never been in my bailiwick.
But mostly, I'm bummed that what I thought was six bottles of barrel proof S-W, isn't.
You haven't ruffled my feathers, which are not easily ruffled.
If you're saying Buffalo Trace needs to monitor all discussions about their products to set straight any misstatements, I think that is an unfair and unreasonable expectation.
The only "evidence" you have that BT has ever said the product is SW is uncorroborated hearsay. What member had that communication? Is it a big secret? Why?
You know who the BT employees that visit here are. Have you PM'd any of them to ask the question directly? That's what I do when I have a question about something at BT. I ask someone at BT.
They have said on the record that they made it in Frankfort, you heard a rumor that it was SW, you relied on the rumor rather than on the official statement, now you think maybe the rumor was wrong, you got something other than what you thought you were getting, and you're blaming Buffalo Trace for that?
DrinkyBanjo
03-26-2007, 06:35
I asked Comstock about this at NYC Whiskey Fest and he did not say whether it was or was not SW whiskey. In any case it's great so keep it!
ggilbertva
03-28-2007, 10:26
My sentiments exactly. WLW is such a fantastic bourbon, who cares if it's S-W or not. BT has produced a downright great bourbon and I'll buy any I can find (only 2 in the bunker).....
Pappy's Friend
03-28-2007, 19:12
I agree with Greg on this - WLW is a great pour!
ILLfarmboy
03-28-2007, 19:48
I was one of those who was disappointed in the '05 WLW so I didn't buy any '06. I shifted my limited dollars to Stagg and Handy. Most everyone here rates the WLW '06 head and shoulders above the '05. So I bet the wrong way. But Had I purchased the '06 the only thing I would be concerned with is: Does the taste justify the price? If by some quirk of fate it turned out it was the much vaunted SW whiskey would it magically taste better? No, it wouldn't. I might get more for it in trade or resale but Buffalo Trace never claimed it was SW whiskey so how could I feel cheated that it's not? It's not Buffalo Trace's responsibility to quell every rumor (positive or negative) about their products. The question we should be asking ourselves is: Who is the member that claims to have received the "verification E-mail" and can he prove his assertion. If and only if the rumor can be traced back to BT does anyone have anything legitimate to complain about. Why be angry at Buffalo Trace for failing to stop a rumor started by someone not in their employ? and why not turn the focus of your attentions on the mystery member? Put the onus on him to prove his assertion. Is it because it's easer to be mad at "evil corporate America" even a small corporation we all know and love than to be mad at a single individual who may have told a fib?
Actually, I can identify with Tango's point, or rather I should say his wishes. At the same time though, Tango, I think Chuck is right in that "they" don't necessarly need to erase the lore stirred - especially when it wasn't them that implied it outright to begin with.
To be perfectly honest there have been times when I've asked as many as 3 different persons who are deep on the (same) inside track and should know the answers to the questions, yet been given three separate responses - all of them equally sincere and trust me, I'm good at detecting purposeful deception.
You also have to ask yourself from time to time, was the person I'm trying to get the information from, even in the game 12, 15, 20 years ago. It's been my experience that the most consistently honest answer you'll ever get in the whiskey industry is "I don't know" or a legitimate shoulder shrug.
But this does lead into a different point I've been wanting to inquire about, Chuck. How factual are those fact sheets? According to some, Sazerac 18 rye is likely the same old rye whiskey we keep talking about under various company names, bottlings, ages etc. I don't doubt that one bit either (btw), but doesn't the fact sheet list Sazerac's distiller as "Buffalo Trace Distillery, Franklin County, Kentucky"?
heatmiser
03-29-2007, 10:26
Last night I dilluted a dram of my WLW '06 with distilled water to the same proof as WL Weller Centenial to do a comparison. I definitely preferred the WL Weller Centenial. Should be worth noting that the WL Weller Centenial I used was from the old BHC...
I haven't had any reason to doubt the veracity of the BTAC fact sheets.
DrinkyBanjo
03-30-2007, 07:50
Last night I dilluted a dram of my WLW '06 with distilled water to the same proof as WL Weller Centenial to do a comparison. I definitely preferred the WL Weller Centenial. Should be worth noting that the WL Weller Centenial I used was from the old BHC...
Don't forget, when you dilute to proof you are not using the same water as they would at BT. That could definitely affect the taste.
heatmiser
03-30-2007, 08:23
It has always been my experience that lowering proof on any spirit will alter the taste regardless of whether or not it is the same water a distillery uses.
nor02lei
03-30-2007, 08:28
Don't forget, when you dilute to proof you are not using the same water as they would at BT. That could definitely affect the taste.
At least for myself I don’t think I would notice any difference due to different water. Correct me if I’m wrong but I haven’t heard that the water they dilute with should have any special character.
Leif
According to what I've heard, Bufflo Trace uses reverse osmosis to create the water they cut whiskies with - putting an emphasis on nothing being added, only abv. being lowered.
Don't know if that's 100% factual, but what I heard. Anyone else?
The same rings true with Heaven Hill...even the water (de-ionized) used to "wash out" the lines is not straight from the tap.
Bettye Jo
According to what I've heard, Bufflo Trace uses reverse osmosis to create the water they cut whiskies with - putting an emphasis on nothing being added, only abv. being lowered.
Don't know if that's 100% factual, but what I heard. Anyone else?
ggilbertva
03-30-2007, 10:32
According to what I've heard, Bufflo Trace uses reverse osmosis to create the water they cut whiskies with - putting an emphasis on nothing being added, only abv. being lowered.
Don't know if that's 100% factual, but what I heard. Anyone else?
I spoke to Harlen Wheatley last year as he was giving me a tour of the BT distillery. My memory is a little fuzzy on this one but I believe he mentioned reverse osmsis process for cutting purposes.
Most whiskey-makers use some demineralization process for the water used in dilution.
Generally, there is no such thing as "absolute" water, except for the highly purified water used in some idustrial and medical applications. Even distilled water, like distilled spirits, retains some of the contents of the source water in minute amounts. I contend, for example, that most of the supposed taste differences between vodkas has to do with the water used to dilute the neutral spirit, moreso than any retained congeners in the spirit itself.
Luckily I did end up geting a bottle. Maybe it's me, but tonight when I cracked it open and poured one dram for myself (no water or ice) it seemed to me like a slice of heaven.
TNbourbon
03-30-2007, 20:43
Provenance and all other considerations besides enjoyment aside: The 2006 William Larue Weller is exceptional bourbon. 'Nuff said.
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