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ratcheer
03-09-2002, 09:12
Since the forums have been pretty dead for the past few days, I thought I would ask a general question to try to stir up some discussion. What is your everyday pour?

I have two moderately priced and two fairly inexpensive bourbons that I go to, time after time.

First and foremost, Rare Breed ($31 at Alabama ABC store). Many of you probably know it is my very favorite bourbon, so damn the expense, I pour it whenever I want to. Extremely rich flavor and body.

Second, Knob Creek (normally $32 per 750 ml, but I managed to get a 1.75 L on sale for $47 in November). Excellent flavor that I liken to VSOP cognac. Pleasantly woody. Lots of different flavors come across. A great drink.

My economical (but, not cheap) choices are Old Forester 100 proof ($15.49) and Elijah Craig 12 yr-old ($16). The OF is almost exactly the same as Woodford Reserve (just a tad less smooth) at half the price. And the EC is my very favorite of the Heaven Hill offerings, with a beautiful maple-syrup aroma and flavor but mysteriously not the least bit sweet. EC is my favorite "warm me up" drink on a cold fall or winter evening.

How about you?

Tim

ratcheer
03-09-2002, 16:46
Well, I tried.

Forbes
03-09-2002, 20:15
My "everyday pours" have remained fairly consistant over the last year. I usually always will have these four bourbons in our cabinet:
Maker's Mark
Jim Beam Black
Wild Turkey (101)
George Dickle #12

All these are fine bourbons that are reasonably priced. I also usually will rotate a fifth brand. These have included such bourbons as Old Rip Van Winkle and Knob Creek. Here is were I like to try different brands of bourbon. I have purchased and am looking forward to trying my first bottle of Wild Turkey Rare Breed.

Of course this does not include the special nights when you break out the Pappy, Old Charter Proprietor's Reserve, or Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit.

Todd

bourbonmed
03-09-2002, 20:36
Tim,

The Elijah Craig 12 is a fantastic 'everyday' choice. Great taste, great value. And don't forget its older sibling, the EC 18 yr single barrel. Selling for $28 at ABC liquors, it's an amazing value in itself -- much more so when you factor its age and single barrel origin. Give the 18 a try.

Omar

Blackkeno
03-09-2002, 23:12
I'm most likely to pour Weller Centennial if I'm in the mood for a wheater and Evan Williams Vintage (currently a '90) if I want a more traditional rye based mashbill.

BTW, the Weller does not seem to be on the shelves here in Vegas lately.

ratcheer
03-10-2002, 08:43
Thanks, I would love to try that, but I have never seen it. Availability is always a major issue when you have to deal with a state-run ABC store.

Tim

**DONOTDELETE**
03-10-2002, 09:17
Hi-De-Ho Fellers! Mind if I play?

I keep these bourbons about in abundance > > > I buy them in the BIG 1.75l size.

1) Old Forester - good old regular 86 proof. I like it, but I can't get the 100 proof in Va :( I've been drinking this fine bourbon for 25 years or so. $21 per jug whenever it's 'on sale'

2) Elijah Craig 12 y.o. 94 proof - This bourbon just keeps getting better. I always keep a big jug af this handy. It's 'on sale' this month for $27.

3) Ancient Anciet Age 10 y.o. - This bourbon *used* to be 90 proof, but now it's only 86. Still this is the classic Old Stagg recipe. Now known as BT#2 this mashbill brings us; Blanton's, Rock Hill Farms, Elmer T. Lee, and Hancock's President's Reserve single barrel bourbons. You would pay $40 - $50 a 750nl bottel for these fine single barrels. I pick up AAA 10 y.o. on sale at $21 a 1.74l jug. Folks this is the most barginrific bourbon on the market! http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/smile.gif

4) Good Old Jim Beam Black Label 8 y.o. - now 86 proof - Can't affod to drink Knob Creek everyday??? No neither can I. JB's Black Label is close and at $25 per 1.75l it's a good tasting deal.

Yes there are a lot of other bourbons I'd rather drink everyday, but no I'm not rich enough to afford them! So these are the bourbons I drink most frequently.

Belly up and enjoy! http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/smile.gif

Pants Away!

[b]Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

ratcheer
03-10-2002, 11:18
Linn, I would have been disappointed if you HADN'T chimed in.

BTW, I think my ABC store's stock of AAA is still the 90 proof version. I'd better buy some before it rolls over.

Thanks, Tim

jbutler
03-11-2002, 07:45
Indeed, EC 12 YO is my hands down choice for everyday pour as well. A superb bourbon regardless of price.
Omar, you've got to be the first person on this forum whom I've heard speak of the 18 YO in such positive fashion. I'm fond of it as well, but in a blind test, I bet I'd prefer the 12.


Cheers,

Jim Butler
Straightbourbon.com

koji
03-11-2002, 07:53
Can I join in on this from overseas guys?

As I'm writing this it is almost 1:00am so you must know what
kind of condition I am.Drunk and I love it!
Starting the night I had two beers,two japanese sake,shots of
Evan Williams 91 Single Barrels,and at home front of this PC.
Very difficult question,not because of the alcohol at this time,
Eligah Craigh 12y is a good everyday drink at $22 a bottle here
i n Japan.If my wallet would let me I'd like to sip some Hirsh series
or some Russels Reserve or Stone Castle,but that is like once a
year.When I go camping on my Harley,I take along a Rare Breed.
My friends always love it,even if they arent bourbon lovers.

Koji

jbutler
03-11-2002, 07:55
O.K. now I've got an idea. I just can't get over anyone thinking AAA 10 is drinkable, hardly yet good. I'll be seeing Ken Weber and Elmer T. Lee this weekend, and I'm going to take my bottle with me -- have 'em check it out. Maybe I've got a rotten bottle. Yes Linn, I know I'm an oddball, but this stuff tastes like lacquer thinner to me. It ought to say "Glidden" on the label!

Cheers,

Jim Butler
Straightbourbon.com

cowdery
03-11-2002, 08:09
I almost always have some Old Fitz BIB on hand. Jim Beam Black is another regular visitor.

Though not an "everyday" pour, I do endorse Omar's recommendation of Elijah Craig 18 year old. A real revelation.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://cowdery.home.netcom.com>--Chuck Cowdery</A>

jbutler
03-11-2002, 08:18
>>Starting the night I had two beers,two japanese sake,shots of
>>Evan Williams 91 Single Barrels,and at home front of this PC.

Koji,
Sounds like tremendous fun, but I don't think I'd want to be you in the morning. http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Cheers,

Jim Butler
Straightbourbon.com

rwilps
03-11-2002, 09:27
I guess I've got "old timey" taste - I love that rye and barrel char more than the sweetness of many of the bourbons listed. OGD BIB, Rare Breed and Van Winkle 13 YO rye (a great bargain at my favorite PA LCB store at $29) are old reliables for me. Now, to bring down everyone's wrath, I also like an occasional dark navy-style rum. Pusser's blue label (95.5 proof - the original shipboard rum of the British Royal Navy) is on sale for $12.99 and I just had to buy a couple bottles. Just think of me as a bipartisan Revolutionary War re-enactor! I'd sell booze to both sides from my tavern on the banks of the Mon.

Ralph Wilps

**DONOTDELETE**
03-11-2002, 13:26
Well Jim you just might have a poor bottle, but you simply mayn't like the AAA flavor profile.I also remember that you don't like Knob Creek. I love it. It's not a sin not to like every bourbon. I surely don't.

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

jbutler
03-11-2002, 13:55
Linn,

Perhaps, but I know the difference between bourbon I don't care for and bourbon that's plain wrong. I don't care for KC because it tastes like JB white label to me. I don't think there's anything amiss with it, nor do I feel it's low quality bourbon. In all fairness to Beam Distilleries, I havent tried any in the last four years, and maybe there have been changes (in my taste buds as well as the bourbon.)

The AAA I've got is off, or else it's just rotgut. Every single one of my friends has turned thier nose up at it -- sober, drunk -- state of mind doesnt seem to matter. I can articulate the flavor component I don't care for in it as well; aldehydes. It tastes just like an interrupted pilot flame in a gas oven smells...acrid.

Cheers,

Jim Butler
Straightbourbon.com

ratcheer
03-11-2002, 16:31
Excellent! Pusser's sounds very interesting, but I have never seen it. I have been a longtime fan of Myers's, though. Is it similar?

Have you ever tried Mt. Gay Sugar Cane Brandy? That is a real taste treat.

Tim

vasshopper
03-11-2002, 17:05
hi Jim
is that really 10 yrs old or just AAA ? IMO the 10yr is pretty good stuff but like you said you may have a bad bottle. life is good--den

rwilps
03-12-2002, 07:42
Tim:

Pusser's blue laber (not the weak red label) is quite different from Myer's. As I recall, Myer's is basically an unaged rum with molasses added to give it color and flavor, so the dominant taste is that of alcoholic molasses. Pusser's gets its color from ageing (some would say "baking") in the Caribbean. It is stronger, has a heavier body and a fruity, tarry flavor that apparently is particularly appreciated after a watch spent squinting into a force 5 north Atlantic gale looking for U-boats (read the novels by Douglas Reeman for a great, salty sense of the heroism of that time). By the way, a substantial portion of the profit from each case of Pusser's sold goes to the Royal Navy seamen's relief fund. I have some more historical info if you want to contact me off-forum.

I'll have to try the Mt. Gay cane brandy on your recommendation...I'll let you know how it compares to a good bourbon!

Ralph

**DONOTDELETE**
03-12-2002, 09:07
Yowzer Jimbo! They don't call it Anti-Aircraft Artillery fer nothin'!http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/wink.gif http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Really now >> try this!!

Have Ken Weber pour you a taster's portion of; AAA 10 y.o., Elmer T. Lee, Rock Hill Farms, and Hancock's President's Reserve. Have Ken mark the glasses so only he knows what's what.

Do this >> Pick out the pour that you think tastes best. Then pick out the one you think tastes the worst.

Honestly report back your findings.

Then fly to Virginia. Get totally [censored] faced. Loose all your pants. Go pants shopping at Super Wal-Mart at Midnight. Get arrested for nude shopping. Make the front page of Malt Advocate. Sell the movie rights to Greg Kitzmiller. End up getting laid somewhere in Mexico. You go to bed with Hide Klum, but wake up with Judge Judy!!!.http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/laugh.gif

Chris Suqire sends you an autographed 'concert used' Rickenbacker, and an Ampeg Amp.

You are voted G.Q.'s Sexiest Man Alive..... then you wake up with a hangover. Damned AAA!!! http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

It's too bootylicious for ya Babe!!!http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/laugh.gif

[b]Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Linn on Tue Mar 12 08:58:43 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>

BourbonBlonde
03-15-2002, 19:30
I usually rotate these three:

Evan Williams '90
Maker's Mark
Rock Hill Farms

plus I have a bottle of Pappy 20 yr. for special occasions. If UK goes past the 2nd round, that's good enough for me. ;)

There is a hole in Misery's fence.
They cannot shut you in...

--Paul Gallico

MurphyDawg
03-15-2002, 20:48
I Have a bottle of Jack Daniels Old No.7 Black Label because most of my friends insist on it when the visit. (most prefer the sweetness to actual bourbon)

For my personal everyday pour i have either a bottle of Maker's Mark or an Evan Williams Vintage (1990 @ the moment) on hand most regularly.

I save the Blanton's For Special occasions.

wonderchimp
03-16-2002, 01:20
Such a great question. Despite all the great bourbons I have on the shelf, I find myself reaching for a few favorites everytime (including tonight, sittin' back right now at 4am with Old Rip):

1. WIld Turkey Rare Breed
2. Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year

The two above have distinct differences in taste and my selection of either depends on my mood. But since both are reasonably priced, I say keep 'em pourin'.

Same goes for Wild Turkey 101... when visiting a drinking establishment with a limited selection it's always my pour of choice. Even though I don't keep it in my personal stock, Maker's Mark is also a favorite stand-by.

- wonderchimp

kgiammarco
03-16-2002, 06:02
Speaking of old rip van winkle 10 year, do you think it is preferrable to the old rip van winkle 15 year? I only have a bottle of the 15 year, and that, along with rare breed and jim beam black (7year 90 proof version at the moment) seem to be what i am reaching for most often... I am trying to taste something new every once in a while... For a while i LOVED jefferson reserve, but i tried it again a few months ago, and it was not nearly as good as i remember... I wonder if it was because of changing tastes or because of something stupid like watering it down too much/not enough...

**DONOTDELETE**
03-16-2002, 09:14
Kris & Chris please allow me to butt in here. Jefferson's Reserve is good, but not $50 a bottle good. Your observations are pertinent in that both your bourbonic knowledge and your tasting abilities are growing. I was very happy to meet you both at last years Bourbon Festival at Bardstown, and I am likewise happy to see you both participate on the forum. YOU ROCK!

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Linn on Sat Mar 16 08:39:25 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>

**DONOTDELETE**
03-16-2002, 09:34
Suzie - Rock Hill Farms is one of your 'everyday pours'?! I'll get a divorce. Marry me now! Quick -> before the liquor stores close! Yes I'll buy you a ring.
Now open that bottle and take your pants off rapidly http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/wink.gif!

I've often been accused of having a 'two track' mind. MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I wonder just what they're talking about?

Bourbon&Babes.Bourbon&Babes.Bourbon&Babes.Bourbon&Babes.Borubon&Babes.Bourbon&Babes.
Do you feel a draft? Where's my Pants?

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

wonderchimp
03-16-2002, 09:40
The only reason I prefer Old Rip Van Winkle 10 over 15 for daily enjoyment is the price ($25 vs. $38). From a taste perspective, both are very similar. They share a lot of the same wonderful taste characteristics. Can't go wrong with either one. However, I give my vote to the 15 since I enjoy the stronger, fuller taste and higher proof (107 vs 90).

- wonderchimp

kgiammarco
03-16-2002, 12:31
Speaking of good but not worth the $$ good, has anyone tried that $200 distillers masterpiece? I can't imagine what a bourbon is like that is worth $200... My friend has recently been purchasing loads of bourbon and distillers masterpiece was one of them. He says he will wait for his retirement to open it... I wonder how many people actually open such a bottle...

We look forward to seeing everyone again at this years bourbon festival...

BourbonBlonde
03-16-2002, 13:55
Yes, Rock Hill is my favorite of the three. I guess I consider it my "good everyday" pour--reserved for semi-important events that are not quite worth the Pappy (pre-Final Four UK games, a good day at the races, etc.) Evan and Maker's are more "ordinary everyday" pours (lousy day at work, just want to relax, etc.). If you're ever in Florence, I'll pour you a double. But I'm afraid marriage is out of the question--my children won't like you. *LOL* ;)

--Suzie

There is a hole in Misery's fence.
They cannot shut you in...

--Paul Gallico

Forbes
03-16-2002, 15:45
Although I have not yet had the opportunity to taste the 15-year-Old Rip Van Winkle, I do agree with your assessment of the 10-year-old Old Rip Van Winkle. It has a terrific “spicy” taste. It seems like I can taste something different with each drink. At $25 it is at a reasonable cost for quality 10 year bourbon. My only problem is that it is not readily available where I live, but have been able to special order it from a local liquor store.

Todd

ratcheer
03-17-2002, 06:47
DAMN ABC stores! I wish I could find some of these to taste.

Tim

**DONOTDELETE**
03-17-2002, 07:11
No Kris I've only seen Distiller's Masterpiece. Never tasted the stuff. It's just too expensive for my means. As to your wealthy friend -> why buy the stuff if you're not going to drink it?

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

bobbyc
03-17-2002, 13:42
And to further cloud the issue the first batch of Distillers Masterpiece was finished off in cognac casks in France and now the new batch is done in Wine casks in California I believe. It goes for 195.00 at Liquor Outlet and 200.00 at Toddy's. My humble means prevents me also. It gets to be the same old song rather quickly as well, there's no way it would be 10 times better than knob creek or 15 times as good as beam black label. I would like to try some but I need someone else to foot the bill.

Bobby Cox

boone
03-17-2002, 16:09
Bobby

You can get 20 of us to pitch in $10 each and we will sample it at the Bourbon Festival in Sept.

Bettye Jo

kgiammarco
03-17-2002, 17:58
I am beginning to think that he is just much smarter than me... He will be retired at 44 due to a city job and he has all this money to spend on bourbon because he has no large mortgage to pay...

My problem now is that i have so many bottles open at once that i have noticed some of the corks are getting dry... My Jefferson's Reserve has a particularly cruddy cork... The Woodford reserve cork appears to be made of something better that has not dried out... Is there something special that you guys do to keep this from happening? One of the things that i like about bourbon is that it won't go rotten like wine after being opened... (and i can buy a couple bottles of something nice and stash it away and come back 20 years later and it should still be the same)...

kgiammarco
03-17-2002, 18:03
Now THAT is a good idea... I was hoping that there would be some opportunities like that at the bourbon festival last year at the 'spirits garden' or whatever it was called, where you could buy bourbon by the glass... When we were in Kentucky we saw lots of Bourbons that we don't usually see around here, and it's hard to tell the good ones from the ones that just have pretty packaging... (but i did buy a bottle of Rock Hill farms based on the nice bottle and it turned out to be well worth it...)

bobbyc
03-17-2002, 19:04
Good idea Bettye Jo we'd all get a little over an ounce apiece. 2 down 18 to go . I'll bet Linn would be up for it.

Bobby Cox

bobbyc
03-17-2002, 19:19
I turn the bottles with cork on thier sides every so often like you do wine to keep then from drying completely out. As you no doubt know oxygen is the only thing that will hurt the bourbon. You will notice some of the bottles at Getz museum with cloudy whiskey and it is due to the seal failing. leave a little whiskey in a glass overnite and you will see the same effect. Will you be in Bardstown in September? Would you like to have an expensive drink of Bourbon if you do make it? I like to write down what I was doing and who I drank a particular bottle with on an index card and wash out the bottle and put it inside( I have a few of these) we could all sign a card and create a pretty neat Bourbon Festival 2002 artifact!

Bobby Cox

tdelling
03-17-2002, 19:40
>I turn the bottles with cork on thier sides every so often like you do wine to keep
> then from drying completely out. As you no doubt know oxygen is the only thing
>that will hurt the bourbon.

Re: corks

It's funny how screwtops make better seals than corks, but higher end bourbons
(the ones that you're more likely to drink only on special occasions) tend to
be the ones that come with corks. Personally, I think corks are classier, but on
the other hand, I'm happy when I open Rip Van Winkle 15's screwtop since I
know for sure it made a good seal... no worries with the screw top.

I'd love to see bourbon go with the new "synthetic" corks that are becoming
popular with wine.

Re: oxygen

We must be very careful on the straightbourbon forum when we say
"the ONLY thing..."

As you no doubt know, there are TWO things that commonly degrade
bourbon: oxygen and UV light.

(Perhaps you were assuming that we all know better than to store our bourbon
in the windowsills of those big south-facing windows right next to the african
violets, which is not a bad assumption).

Kauf
03-18-2002, 03:03
If a bottle with a loose cork is placed on it's side, will the cork eventually expand and make a tight seal or is the cork shot?

Bob Kaufman

Kauf
03-18-2002, 03:11
Great idea, count me in. I've always wanted to try DM. Should we try the first or second bottling?

Bob Kaufman

boone
03-18-2002, 07:58
Hey Bobby---Count Kauf in for 1 share---17 more ta go--------

I am not the connoisseur that most of you on this forum are. -----Yes, Jim Dear, I did have to get the dictionary out to find out how to spell it--------Being a line mechanic I have litterally worn more bourbon than I have drank. When the float sticks on the filler it's like Niagra Falls and you guessed it ---Ya have to climb up right beside it to cut the bourbon off from the main tank. I'ts a wet TEE shirt contest- even your shoes are filled with the stuff. It makes for a real nasty night so I always have a extra set of clothes in my locker. I have never been pulled over by the police after work but I bet ya if I did they would probably lock me up!!!!!!!! I cannot smell the good smell of bourbon any more. When you have worked around it as many years as I have you nose does not pay any attention to it-----

Bettye Jo

cowdery
03-18-2002, 11:14
I know UV can have a bad effect on liqueurs and retailers are advised not to display them in windows, but what can it do to bourbon? I was under the impression that bourbon was not harmed by this exposure.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://cowdery.home.netcom.com>--Chuck Cowdery</A>

BourbonBlonde
03-18-2002, 12:44
Count me in, too. I might not make it in Sept. (childcare issues), but e-mail me at miserys_fence@yahoo.com and give me an address where I can send a check. If I don't make it--consider it a gift http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/wink.gif

--Suzie



There is a hole in Misery's fence.
They cannot shut you in...

--Paul Gallico

**DONOTDELETE**
03-18-2002, 13:52
Well he is certainly smarter than I am as I will have to work 'till the day I die. Be sure to keep up with him so when he opens the bottle you can get a shot.http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/wink.gif

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-18-2002, 13:58
The very best way to try some Distiller's Masterpiece is to get Omar to arrange a special StraightBourbon.com tasting event with Jim Beam and Booker Noe. Let them give us a taste for free! Wheeeeeeeee! Wouldn't that be fun?! http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/laugh.gif

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-18-2002, 14:03
Bettye Jo the very idea of you soaked down in bourbon cause's me to think impure thoughts.http://www.straightbourbon.com/images/icons/laugh.gif

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

bobbyc
03-18-2002, 17:08
Actually I didn't know about the UV exposure, I keep all my bourbon in the basement where it is cool and dark. I guess the labels could loosen up a bit there because it is somewhat damp.

Bobby Cox

boone
03-18-2002, 23:08
Hey Bobby---------Where in the Heck are ya!!! ---- Suzie wants in too.---- Sixteen more ta go.---

Welcome to the forum Suzie!!!!! I will e-mail you my address when the festival gets a little closer.

Bettye Jo

bobbyc
03-19-2002, 05:39
Yeah, I'm in this is great. What a good idea Bettye Jo.

Bobby Cox

texascarl
04-02-2002, 08:07
I have a 3 drink a day ration, and I pour one daily shot of Knob Creek, one of the Old Charter variations and then rotate between Old Grand-dad BIB or 114, Wild Turkey, Russell's Reserve and Rare Breed, Elijah Craig 12, Dickel no 12 (and Old Overholt or Wild Turkey Rye with Stewart's ginger beer.)

ratcheer
04-02-2002, 17:58
Sounds like a lot of fun, Carl.

I know what you mean about the ration. I used to enjoy the stuff way too much. For the past couple of years, my ration has been usually one drink a day and never more than two. However, sometimes that one drink will be kind of large, heh heh.

Tim

texascarl
04-04-2002, 19:52
This ration deal has kept me out of the hoosegow for the past 20 years or so. 3 sensible pours of bourbon, or half a bottle of red wine or 3 pints of beer. Plenty for me to relax and unwind and not so much I think I can whip half the local police force.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by texascarl on Thu Apr 4 18:55:48 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>

cowdery
04-05-2002, 11:27
I had a friend some years ago, an artist, who controlled his drinking by going to the liquor store every afternoon and buying a pint of Old Grand-Dad, no more, no less. Needless to say, there was never any left over, but the need to share when guests stopped by may have upset the balance somewhat.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://cowdery.home.netcom.com>--Chuck Cowdery</A>