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No Chaser
07-07-2007, 02:30
Hi I'm brand new here, and I've been casually trying to be a whiskey guy for a couple of years. My favorite (affordable) bourbon is Wild Turkey 101, but I had a question about something else. My dad got some "Pappy Van Winkle’s Family Reserve 20 Year-Old" for a present recently. He doesn't like bourbon (weird premium tequila fetish) so he just gave me the bottle, and I haven't tried it yet. I've never heard of the brand, or in fact of any bourbon that's aged 20 years.

So finally the question: Is this stuff respected in the forums? My whiskey knowledge is very financially sensitive, particularly with bourbons, and I wanted to get opinions on this stuff.

BourbonJoe
07-07-2007, 05:56
Your dad, IMO, gave you a very desirable and expensive bottle of bourbon. It sells for between $70 and $110 a bottle and contains Stitzel-Weller wheated bourbon which is gracefully aged for 20 years. Pappy 20 is personally in my top 5 bourbons and I think you have done well to get a bottle. Enjoy.
Joe :usflag:

bluesbassdad
07-07-2007, 13:26
N.C.,

Welcome! You'll find all the opinions you'll ever need here.

I'll echo what Bourbon Joe said, with a twist.

If you are tempted to sell your bottle of Pappy 20 y/o ("this stuff", you called it? :skep: :grin: ) now, don't -- for several reasons.

Because of the limited supply of bourbon from the now-defunct S-W distillery, the dollar value of your bottle is almost certain to appreciate faster than the rate of inflation.

If you part with it now, you may never get another chance to taste it.

A few years in the future your financial situation may be very different than it is now, and even at its appreciated value you may wish to drink it.

It's a keepsake, even an heirloom, save for the fact that its purpose is to be consumed.

If you sell it, it may end up in a collection in some faraway land, never to be consumed as its maker intended.

Of course in the final analysis it's yours, and you can do whatever you want with it. I suggest only that you be thoughtful about it.

BTW, it's entirely possible that you will like the 15 y/o version better. Some folks here do. Even so, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity is not to be taken lightly.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield

gblick
07-07-2007, 14:24
He doesn't like bourbon (weird premium tequila fetish)..I'm the opposite, I recently made a run (north) for the border and switched from premium tequilas to bourbon as my favorite distilled spirit, very easy on the wallet too.

The Pappy 20 is a very coveted and sought after bourbon, and you're very lucky to have it.

In your attempts to 'be a whiskey guy', have you tried any of the wheated bourbons (ones made with a portion of wheat instead of the usual rye)? In the 'affordable' camp of wheated bourbons I'd recommend Weller Antique 107, and for a little more money but still very affordable I'd recommend picking up an Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo 107 proof (if you happen across one, they are kindof rare). Another wheated one that is VERY affordable (usually around $12-15 per bottle) is Old Fitzgerald Bottled In Bond 100 proof. The Pappy 20 you have is of course also a wheated bourbon and purported to be one of the very best ever (I've yet to try it, but I do have an unopened bottle). My point is that if you haven't tried any of the wheated bourbons, they just may end up tickling your fancy, I know they do mine. I tend to enjoy the higher proofs (100 and above), so that's what I would recommend.

Cheers and welcome to SB,
Gus

No Chaser
07-08-2007, 02:43
Yeah, unfortunately my choices have been extremely limited, and I've also been trying to learn scotches as well, all on a bad budget, so I've only gone through well-known stuff like Maker's Mark, Woodford Reserves, Jim Beam (euch never again), and other grocery store stuff. I'm actually not sure where rye enters the equation and where it doesn't, except in the Wild Turkeys, as they are clearly labeled in original and rye variants.

Anyway we've already opened the bottle since a scotch fanatic was over and we were all arguing about the relative merits of our different alcohol types. The scotch guy and my tequila dad loved it and so did I. The nose was very rich caramel for me, and we all agreed that the finish was THE LONGEST that we'd ever experienced in ANYTHING. It wouldn't stop morphing into something different, with orange and woods interlacing between god-knows-what. Suffice it to say that it's probably the single best drink I've ever consumed in my life up to this point. The scotch guy liked it as much as the fancy double-barrel stuff he drinks!

Anyway thanks for the information, I'll be sure to post here in the future and maybe start lurking too.

ratcheer
07-08-2007, 06:55
In my opinion, your bottle of Pappy 20 is one to put on your top shelf and take of sparingly over a period of years, e.g., only for the most special occasions or most revered guests. That's what I would do, anyway.

Tim

NickAtMartinis
07-09-2007, 15:40
No Chaser,

Do not listen to my fellow posters, they are having a little fun with you. Despite what they have written, this Popeye Ban Vinkle stuff is terrible, it'll burn a hole right through your stomach. This is now an unfortunate burden for you to bare, especially given the fact that if not properly disposed of this violent material can cause irreparable damage to the ecosystem that surrounds you within a 50 mile radius.

Here's what to do. It just so happens that I work in the hazardous waste field. Do yourself, your family, your neighbors and your fellow townsmen a big favor and send the bottle, with contents fully intact, to me and I will properly dispose of this unsavory and hazardous liquid. PM me and will gladly reply with my address.

You will thank me later.

Your friend,

Nick


;)

No Chaser
07-09-2007, 21:53
Oh boy, I'm sold.

No, yeah, it's damned fine stuff, almost a different kind of alcohol altogether in comparison to my usual pours.

NickAtMartinis
07-10-2007, 08:08
Oh boy, I'm sold.

No, yeah, it's damned fine stuff, almost a different kind of alcohol altogether in comparison to my usual pours.


Damn it all, I said don't open it. ;)


It's great bourbon. Enjoy.

ggilbertva
07-19-2007, 06:02
Oh boy, I'm sold.

No, yeah, it's damned fine stuff, almost a different kind of alcohol altogether in comparison to my usual pours.

NC,

If you like the 20 year that much...you're certain to like or love the 15 year. It's a fantastic pour and easier on the wallet. It can be found for around $40 a bottle depending on where you live and availability. Since you are boxed into a buget, I would second the suggestion that you seek out and try Weller Antique 107. For around $20, it's a really great bourbon and under priced in my opinion. And again, I would agree with the suggestion of ORVW 10/107. If you get serious about drinking bourbon, you might as well get a second job now....you're gonna need the extra $$.

ripvanfan
07-20-2007, 09:29
Weller Antique underpriced? Bite your tongue!!

Sweetmeats
07-20-2007, 09:36
Is Old Rid Van Winkle 10 years old - 53.5% abv (107 proof) still being made? I'm getting really close to running out and I need some more.

BourbonJoe
07-20-2007, 09:42
As far as I know 10-107 is still being produced.
Joe :usflag:

Sweetmeats
07-20-2007, 11:12
The somethings up cause I can't find it for the life of me.

No Chaser
07-21-2007, 11:07
NC,

If you like the 20 year that much...you're certain to like or love the 15 year. It's a fantastic pour and easier on the wallet. It can be found for around $40 a bottle depending on where you live and availability. Since you are boxed into a buget, I would second the suggestion that you seek out and try Weller Antique 107. For around $20, it's a really great bourbon and under priced in my opinion. And again, I would agree with the suggestion of ORVW 10/107. If you get serious about drinking bourbon, you might as well get a second job now....you're gonna need the extra $$.

My first job is going to law school and being in insane debt :smil41df29a15fb35:

But it's cool, that's what friends are for.

ggilbertva
07-24-2007, 12:06
Weller Antique underpriced? Bite your tongue!!

Ooops..did I type that out loud....sorry.

ripvanfan
07-24-2007, 21:21
Because of popularity, it is getting more difficult to obtain at certain times of the year. But yes, it's still made.

TNbourbon
07-24-2007, 21:28
The Van Winkles are made in diminishing quantities (about 390 cases a year, I believe, in regard to the rye) -- so, they are not as easy to find as once was the case.
One hopes that production (of appropriately-aged whiskey) eventually catches up with demand.

NickAtMartinis
07-31-2007, 17:27
The Van Winkles are made in diminishing quantities (about 390 cases a year, I believe, in regard to the rye) -- so, they are not as easy to find as once was the case.
One hopes that production (of appropriately-aged whiskey) eventually catches up with demand.

For whatever reason, PVW20 and Lot B are plentiful up in CT. I'm not sure why.

atkinsa
07-31-2007, 18:14
I can't even get PVW in NC without ordering by the case. It's not on the approved list, don't know why though.

HipFlask
08-05-2007, 21:31
approved list? the people's republic of NC. no wonder Nascar started down south. who puts it on the list in the first place?

TNbourbon
08-05-2007, 21:54
...the people's republic of NC. no wonder Nascar started down south...

This, from someone in that liberal/progressive (read that, "I know it all, and you'd better listen, because I'm BETTER than you!") bastion, Wisconsin!
Oy!:bigeyes:
For your info, my second-grade class this year (Tennessee, last I checked, was an 'Old Confederacy' state) is just one student short of being minority-majority, with at least two dual-race children. Rednecks are awfully hard to find these days outside of comedy tours.
We all get along just fine, too. Imagine that.
(Yes, I'm offended! You see, I grew up in the 'liberal' Midwest, too -- I've learned a lot since I knew it all.)

HipFlask
08-06-2007, 14:44
Looks like I hit a nerve. Chill out dude. No offense was meant toward the south or rednecks or people of any ethnic origin. Also I never claimed to "know it all or that I am better than anyone". I am surprised,saddned and very sorry to hear that some people live with "whiskey censorship". That if a brand is not on a "approved list" you cannot buy it. I believe that the state(whether Tennessee, North Carolina, Wisconsin or any other) should not be in the business of telling you the consumer what you can buy. If a liquer store in said state has a market and make money selling Pappy Van Winkle then the store should make the decision not the government. The state should collect their tax and that should be it.

History lesson on NASCAR. It was fstarted by a group of Whiskey runners during prohibition. Ever hear about Junior Johnson? They built souped up cars to hide the fact that they were carrying a trunk full of contraband and they needed a fast car to out run the law. As you can imagine when a group of these fellas got together they needed to find out who had the fastest car and Nascar was born. I fully apprecaite that spirit and hope it continues to grow>>Good Thing! Go Matt Kenseth #17.

Are you still offended? If so take a moment to breathe. Preferably over a glass of Kentucky's finiest bourbon and all will be right. :)

cowdery
08-06-2007, 17:52
North Carolina is a Control State (http://www.nabca.org/index.php) of the most extreme sort, in that the state is both sole distributor and sole retailer of distilled spirits. One can easily make jokes about alcohol marketing being "socialized" in those states, but such jokes have to be either ignorant or meant as ironic, since the list of the states in which alcohol marketing is most "socialized" is mostly states that otherwise are considered quite conservative, such as Alabama, North Carolina and Utah.

The rest are Idaho, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington.

Also, "approved list" is a misnomer. Like any retailer, North Carolina simply decides what it wants to sell. But because it is a monopoly, that choice covers every retailer in the state.

No Chaser
08-06-2007, 19:23
American Taliban, ah-hyuck ah tell yew whut.

HipFlask
08-06-2007, 19:44
Boy, I really stepped into here. I am know it all from the north in 1 post and ignorant in the next. I see some humor in that. By the way I do understand that NC is a control state.

Do you not think that the people would be better served if the government buracrat got out of the way and let the marketplace decide what product it wants or doesn't want? "Whiskey Censorship". I do suppose that if the people of North Carolina wanted to have freedom of choice on this issue they could elect people to change the law. If anything I am fortunate that there are Control states as I can find more of the types and brands of whiskey that I want to drink at a probable lower price.

Also for the record I have said nothing about liberal, progressive, conservative, left wing, right wing, moderate, the bible belt so on and so forth. I am sorry to original poster for running over his/her post.

No Chaser
08-07-2007, 02:19
Hah I don't care; I just wanted to know about old man Pappy. That's done with, so take this wherever you want it to go.