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Hedmans Brorsa
10-10-1999, 06:20
Couldnīt find anything about the bourbon I.W. Harper on this site. A brand I have yet to taste (very hard to find where I live). Could someone please enlighten me? 12 or 15 years old? Or is it recommendable at all?

cowdery
10-11-1999, 12:41
I.W. Harper was, for many years, the flagship bourbon of Louisville's Bernheim Distillery. Issac Wolfe Bernheim, the owner, is responsible for the "I.W." part of the name. The "Harper" part was the name of a friend, possibly a salesman. At the time, Bernheim reasoned that "I.W. Bernheim" didn't sound like the name of a bourbon. Today the brand is owned by Diageo. It isn't a big factor, sales wise, in the U.S., but is very popular in Japan. For a time, the company actually limited U.S. availability to discourage "gray market" exporting to Asia. If you can't find Harper but can find Old Charter, they are essentially the same whiskey. I have always found it a quality product, but nothing special.

- chuck

bobbyc
02-06-2002, 23:26
Thanks Chuck, I realize this is an old post but it relieved a concern that I had . I had walked past the I W Harper Gold medal at Liquor Outlet to purchase things like Beam, HH ,and the like . One day it was gone and after checking found it to be unavailable ,needless to say I beat myself up over that. There still seems to be plenty of Old Charter presently.

koji
02-07-2002, 03:27
Hello,
Yes IW Harper is a big brand name in the asian market.Well atleast in Japan.There are four available bottles right now.
I.W.Harper Gold Medal 80P
I.W.Harper 101Proof
I.W.Harper 12Years 86P
I.W.Harper President Reserve 86P
My favorite would be 101Proof,from the taste and price wise.

Koji

bobbyc
02-07-2002, 20:52
I got to taste a bottle of the Gold Medal I W Harper and was very happy with it , I guess that was why I was so dissappointed when I could not find it . There may be a bottle somewhere I haven't gone looking for treasures lately. It was priced a little steep relatively speaking about $35.00 for 750ml and at 80 proof .

Bobby Cox

**DONOTDELETE**
02-08-2002, 05:53
Bobby let me reccommend a twelve year old version of Old Charter called 'Classic 90'. It's only $14 at Liquor Outlet and quite delicious in every way, with a fine finish.

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

cowdery
02-08-2002, 09:28
I second Linn's endorsement of the Old Charter "Classic 90." That is my choice when I want one of the Bernheim bourbons.

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://cowdery.home.netcom.com>--Chuck Cowdery</A>

ratcheer
02-13-2002, 18:28
I looked for Old Charter in the Alabama ABC store, but I only found the "regular" kind. It was just $10 for 750 ml, so I decided to pass.

My inexpensive bourbon of choice is (and I think it will remain so, for a long time) Old Forester. It is damned tasty.

Tim

texascarl
04-08-2002, 06:20
I figured that if Linn and Chuck both recommend Old Charter 'Classic 90' 12 year old, it's got to be worth a try.

They were right, boy howdy, they were right in spades. I've since bought up every bottle of 'Classic 90' at my local discount likker store, have them ordering more for me. The 'Classic 90' is now one of my daily pours.
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**DONOTDELETE**
04-08-2002, 18:00
You got that right Carl! I also agree with Chuck when he opined that you must live in "bourbon heaven". Party at Carl's!

Linn Spencer

Have Shotglass. Will Travel.

Gillman
05-19-2006, 10:21
Just bumping this thread and trying to obtain a coherent overview of Harper.

Koji describes various brands available in Japan 4 years ago.

My questions:

i) are all these still available in Japan? (Ed, feel free to reply since I am not sure how often Koji looks in to the board)

ii) if not, which are the brands of Harper currently available in Japan?

iii) who made the ones available in 2002 in Japan?

iv) who makes the ones available in Japan today?

v) UDV/Diageo sold Bernheim in about '96 to Heaven Hill. Does this mean all Harper on the market today was made before the sale? Presumably any 12 and 15 year old Harper on the market (anywhere) today was made by UDV/Diageo, but what of the younger whiskeys? Does HH (or someone else) make it under the Harper label (i.e., did HH or another company buy the Harper label when the plant was sold? This would seem unlikely because Chuck said recently HH makes only one rye-recipe bourbon and I doubt they would fill current Harper bottles with that. If as I think is the case Diageo still owns the label, who makes the whiskey for them (unless all current inventory is pre-plant sale stock)?

I guess I am looking for a synthesis of the older threads to understand the I.W. Harper picture and whether taste changes can be noted as a result of different plants making the brand.

Gary

Hedmans Brorsa
05-19-2006, 14:13
These are interesting questions you raise, Gary.

All I can tell you, is that Mike Veach, not so long ago,told us that I.H. Presidentīs reserve came from Stitzel Weller stock. (I believe him.)

As for the Harper 12yo, well, Iīve been getting more and more confused for each passing month about this one. When I bought it, I took my cue from J. Murrayīs Bourbon book and regarded it as a product from one of the distilleries that preceded Bernheim.

I thought, hey!, this is 12 years old so the obvious thing to do was to compare with the OC Classic 90 which, by then, I was pretty familiar with. To this day, I wil stick to my guns and say that they have very similar noses but to taste is something altogether different.

As noted by many on this forum, OC 90 has a surprisingly strong rye presence for a purportedly rye-poor Bourbon. The 12yo Harper, on the other hand, has very little, if any, rye presence. I would describe it as sweet and dry. So maybe this is a SW product as well?

By the way, I am not 100 % sure, but I think that the post who started this thread was my first ever post on SB.com. Back then I was a newbie in extremis. The only high-end bourbons that I had tried were the Beam SB collection, Blantonīs 93 proof, Makerīs red, W. Reserve and W.T. Rare Breed.

Stuff like Harper and Fitzgerald held an almost mythical status in my small world, which no doubt was what prompted my question in the first place.

Aah, those were the days! :)

cowdery
05-19-2006, 14:19
No mystery. Diageo still owns I.W. Harper and all Diageo bourbon is made at Four Roses. Kirin owns Four Roses, but about half of its output goes to Diageo, by contract. I don't know this for a fact, but I assume that contract was a condition of the sale.

Gillman
05-19-2006, 15:26
Thanks Chuck, and Hedmans, looks like things have come full circle for you! Current (e.g. 80 proof gold label Harper) is (must) be made at Four Roses, then. I wonder if it shows to some degree anyway the fruity-like tastes of Bulleit, Four Roses and FRSB. This would not seem part of its profile based on what Hedmans said about the 12 year old Harper's. Maybe Harper's in its pre-Bernheim sale years was all made at S-W, at least since S-W was bought by the predecessors to UDV/Diageo? Maybe only some of it was. What about between '92 and the sale of Bernheim? Presumably in that time it was made at Bernheim. Before '92 it must have been made either at the predecessor to Bernheim owned by UDV in Louisville or again at S-W. I could see that a special version of Harper's might have been sourced at S-W while the regular run was rye-recipe from old and new Bernheim. Oh boy, this gets involved. Be interesting to do a vertical tasting of Harper (I am not sure I have ever had any).

Gary

Edward_call_me_Ed
05-19-2006, 16:27
The oly IW Harper that I have seen here in Sapporo is the Gold Metal 80 proof and the 12 year old. That doesn't mean that other expressions aren't available down in Tokyo.
Ed

Hedmans Brorsa
05-20-2006, 03:13
Oh boy, this gets involved.

Well, you can say that again! :grin:

It would, in any sense, be fascinating to get the full story on this one.

Mike V. shattered any hopes of an Astore/Belmont connection to Harper when he told me that these distilleries had been silent for years before the Bernheim distillery was built. After reading Murrayīs book I came away with the misguided notion that there had been a continuum between A/B and Bernheim, i.e. that they were in production all the way up until the opening of Bernheim.

All I can say abot the Harper 12yo, is that it, in my view, lacks that certain S-W feel. Iīve had VSOF which is clearly from S-W stock and I didnīt find any obvious similarities (the lack of rye character, apart.), especially the nose was miles apart.

But as I stated earlier, I donīt know what to think about this, anymore.

ratcheer
05-20-2006, 06:11
I thought, hey!, this is 12 years old so the obvious thing to do was to compare with the OC Classic 90 which, by then, I was pretty familiar with. To this day, I wil stick to my guns and say that they have very similar noses but to taste is something altogether different.

:)

That doesn't surprise me in the least. Consider that Elmer T. Lee and Blanton's are exactly the same whiskey, just selected from different barrels, and they have markedly differing taste profiles.

Tim

Gillman
05-20-2006, 06:18
I too thought that UDV owned a working plant in Louisville before building Bernheim. If it did not it must have obtained its rye-recipe whiskey from elsewhere. I am sure the answer is in Chuck's book. Actually (and this happened after I revived this thread with no connection to it) I was told by a friend in Santa Fe (New Mexico) that he is bringing a bottle of I.W. Harper to me in July when he will be here for a visit. I know he is a fan of it but he does not have en especial interest in bourbon apart from that. I don't know what expression it will be but I look forward to trying it.

Gary

Gillman
05-20-2006, 06:52
I checked Chuck's book, and it states that when the current Bernheim plant was built in '92 it replaced the plant previously on the site which is the conjoined Astor/Belmont plant Hedmans is referring to. That A/B plant was the original "new Bernheim", because dedicated to the manufacture of I.W. Harper whiskey in the 1930's when the predecessors to Schenley bought the Harper label (but not the original Harper plant which was in Shively) from the Bernheim family (the principal lived until 1945). If as Mike Veach has apparently said A/B did not operate for some years before 1992, then UDV, which had bought the brand and the Schenley plants in the mid-80's, and Schenley before that, sourced the whiskey elsewhere. Schenley owned Glenmore and what is now Buffalo Trace and no doubt other distilleries so there was no lack of places to source the whiskey and some it appears was from the S-W plant (maybe just the I.W. Harper 12 year old).

If anyone on the Board (Doug Phillips maybe, or Tim Sousley?) has a bottle of bonded I.W. Harper, it would be interesting to know the distillery of manufacture on the label.

Gary

ThomasH
05-20-2006, 07:03
This thread is quite a puzzle. Now for my question. I have a bottle of I.W. Harper 15 year old that was originally from the bourbon heritage collection. it was made in 1995. I found it while vacationing in Florida last year. Where was this particular version made? I have a particular interest in this brand as it is also my last name!

Thomas

cowdery
05-20-2006, 08:47
I don't believe S-W ever made rye recipe bourbon, hence no Harper from there.

When Mike says Bernheim (the Astor/Belmont names are really ancient history) had not operated for "some years" my guess would be less than ten. What was then Schenley sold Ancient Age (i.e., Buffalo Trace) in something like 83. During the 80s it was mostly drawing from stocks, there being an industry-wide glut, but did fill in with some whiskey made under contract by Age and Brown-Forman (i.e., Early Times). I have it on good authority that part of the decision to build the new Bernheim was based on a desire to duplicate the whiskey they were getting from Brown-Forman.

So, figuring out where a given bottle of Harper or Charter from that period was distilled is damn near impossible and, in fact, a given bottling may well have included whiskey from several sources.

It may also be worth noting that whiskey matures rather slowly in the brick warehouses at Bernheim, to the point that Heaven Hill won't even use them. They have brandy aging in them, but no whiskey. While Heaven Hill doesn't like this now, it may have been a good thing during the glut era, preventing well-aged whiskey from becoming too woody.

Gillman
05-20-2006, 09:27
I know that S-W is believed not to have made rye-recipe bourbon but Hedmans said the profile of the Harper 12 year old seemed very un-rye-like and suggested that maybe the 12 year old version came from S-W. In view of the multiplicity of possible sources for Harper at that time the brand owners may not have been too concerned about sourcing a special version from stocks of wheat-recipe whiskey; but anyway this is all speculation. Interesting too (per Chuck's book) that the Harper trade mark was well-established before Bernheim built his distillery in Shively. He must have gotten the whiskey from different sources before.

Gary

cowdery
05-20-2006, 10:41
Bernheim, like many others, began in the business as a distributor and only later built a distillery.

I would not discount the possibility that, somewhere along the line, Schenley was combining S-W wheated bourbon with rye-recipe bourbon from other sources to make Harper, though I find it unlikely that Harper was ever entirely a wheated bourbon. It is possible, however, that at some point it was an actual four-grain bourbon.

When bourbon first began to become popular in Japan, sometime in the early 1980s or perhaps a little earlier, the leading brand there was I. W. Harper. The high price it commanded there, even as it was declining (in popularity and price) here led to "grey market" exporting, in which entrepreneurs would buy it at wholesale or even retail in the U.S. and ship it to Japan for resale. This led to its removal by Schenley from the market in most of the U.S.

How I. W. Harper came to be the brand that led the way among bourbons in Japan is unknown to me and I would appreciate any insights.

Rughi
05-20-2006, 10:46
I have it on good authority that part of the decision to build the new Bernheim was based on a desire to duplicate the whiskey they were getting from Brown-Forman.

Well, that's a bit of synchronicity!

I was just setting out bottles of 1970s quarts of Early Times and Old Charter, and a circa 1980 Harper BIB 750ml to take to Doug's tonight when I paused to read this thread. I have been trying for some time to get a tasting of low-rye bourbons onto the D-Day schedule to no avail, but I now feel tonight is the night.

I'm not sure that the dates line up correctly, bu the thought that all of these may be the same whiskey (or rather whisky) from Shively 354 is an interesting thought.

Roger

Hedmans Brorsa
05-20-2006, 11:20
Link to the thread where Mike Veach tells me that Harper Presidentīs Reserve is a S-W product.

He also informs us that between 1989 and 1992 Harper was made both by Brown-Forman and Stitzel Weller. The source is one Mike Wright.

http://www.straightbourbon.com/ubbthreads/showthread.php?t=4476&page=4

Gillman
05-20-2006, 11:47
Roger sorry, what is the distillery of manufacture marked on your Harper BIB and when was it made?

Gary

Rughi
05-20-2006, 11:54
Is there both a Harper's President's Reserve AND a Hancock's President's Reserve? I guess there really is. I had always thought that it was a typo, but now it looks like a good case to take money out of a couple of distilleries pockets and into some lawyers pockets in the Ridgewood/Woodford tradition.

Here (http://www.greatbourbon.com/hancock.html) is the BT product Hancock's PR, which could easily be/have been SW whiskey. I wonder if that is what Mike Veach meant.

My understanding had always been that Harper and Charter were at the lowest end of rye content of ryed bourbons, but adding wheat whiskey would make an even lower rye content. ;)

Could it....no surely not... but could it be..... that SW AND ET whisk(e)y went into the SAME VAT and made...4-grain bourbon?????????? Shazamm!

Roger

Rughi
05-20-2006, 11:59
Roger sorry, what is the distillery of manufacture marked on your Harper BIB and when was it made?
Gary

Check out This post (http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=52164&postcount=59). The first "Lousiville" paragraph discusses the Harper.

Roger

PS to Gary: Why are you sorry?

Gillman
05-20-2006, 12:42
Thanks Roger. Reason I said "sorry" was you said "Shively 354" and I thought, well, if that is where that BIB was made, I shouldn't ask you again. :) I didn't understand the reference to Shively 354 but I see now at any rate that the Harper BIB was made at Bernheim and presumably in a period before the '91 rebuild when it was distilling (since distilling wasn't continuous there). Speaking of DSP No. 1, the old Belmont plant, on the gift Randy gave me of a full bottle of Belmont Bourbon (18 years old, distilled apparently in '99 - that's 1899 folks), the distillery number stated is not 1, but rather 412. The label has the well-known bell logo and appears to be from that original Belmont distillery, it states 5th district, but says "Registered Distillery No. 412, Louisville, KY". The drink itself is very interesting: clearly very old (the lead seal looked completely genuine as did the aged mottled cork), clearly a strong liquor but not tasting of bourbon or whiskey as we know it today. The most prominent taste is caramel-like and the drink is quite mild-flavored but perfumed at the same time. It may have changed in the bottle. It is an amazing artifact to have survived so long and I am very grateful to Randy for gifting it to me in the interests of historical research.

Gary

ratcheer
05-20-2006, 16:54
Here (http://www.greatbourbon.com/hancock.html) is the BT product Hancock's PR, which could easily be/have been SW whiskey. I wonder if that is what Mike Veach meant.

Roger

Mike Veach is a serious and accomplished researcher of these and other historical matters and I do not believe he would have made such a mistake. And if he had, he would have corrected it, quickly.

Tim

Rughi
05-20-2006, 17:34
Mike Veach is a serious and accomplished researcher of these and other historical matters and I do not believe he would have made such a mistake. And if he had, he would have corrected it, quickly.

Tim

That's what I think, too. The similarities of the two names still throw me, however.

Roger

Nebraska
05-20-2006, 17:55
i had to laugh, I was doing a search for threads concerning Old Charter and low and behold up pops this thread. Old charter 10 yo is part of something I'm researching right now. Judging by past comments, it seems to be a reasonably good every day pour. Is the 12 yo still available? or the OCPR?


Mark/Nebraska

bobbyc
05-20-2006, 19:42
Is there both a Harper's President's Reserve AND a Hancock's President's Reserve?
And Woodford Reserve Presidents Reserve, maybe Brown Forman could start the lawsuit, I think they came late to this table however.

barturtle
05-20-2006, 21:31
i had to laugh, I was doing a search for threads concerning Old Charter and low and behold up pops this thread. Old charter 10 yo is part of something I'm researching right now. Judging by past comments, it seems to be a reasonably good every day pour. Is the 12 yo still available? or the OCPR?


Mark/Nebraska

The 8, 10, 12 and PR all seem to still be available, but it may depend on where you are geographically. The 7yo BIB though seems to be a goner.:smiley_acbt:

Virus_Of_Life
07-14-2006, 13:53
This thread is quite a puzzle. Now for my question. I have a bottle of I.W. Harper 15 year old that was originally from the bourbon heritage collection. it was made in 1995. I found it while vacationing in Florida last year. Where was this particular version made? I have a particular interest in this brand as it is also my last name!

Thomas

Sorry to bump this thread, again, but I was trying to find some info out on where that same bottle of I W Harper 15 year mentioned by Thomas was distilled and found it to be totally confusing!

So Thomas, did you open yours yet and if so how is it? I think I will just open it up here real soon and enjoy the nice looking bottle regardless of where it may be from...

Virus_Of_Life
07-15-2006, 13:06
I got to taste a bottle of the Gold Medal I W Harper and was very happy with it , I guess that was why I was so dissappointed when I could not find it . There may be a bottle somewhere I haven't gone looking for treasures lately. It was priced a little steep relatively speaking about $35.00 for 750ml and at 80 proof .

Bobby Cox

I just happened to walk into a liquor store near the place I am living at now and there was 3 bottles of Tax Stamped I W Harper and I think they were the gold medal, but at only $18.99 for liter bottles it just doesn't seem like it could be the same bourbon you are referring to Bobby. Either way I'll probably pick one up and post a picture, if you or anyone else is interested the owner said he has a WHOLE CASE of it in the back. They were tax stamped with numbers so they've been around a while.

Just a clarification, the IW Harper at the store near me is in fact Gold Medal, 86 proof, QUART bottles not Liters. It'd be nice to know what distillery this came from, but from reading all the stuff I did it sounds like knowing is pretty much impossible.

I was going to be doing laundry tonite, but since the laundromat had a last load at 8:00 time, I may instead go to the bank machine and then go pick up on of those Harpers and give it a good sampling... We'll just have to see...

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-23-2006, 04:19
I just happened to walk into a liquor store near the place I am living at now and there was 3 bottles of Tax Stamped I W Harper and I think they were the gold medal, but at only $18.99 for liter bottles it just doesn't seem like it could be the same bourbon you are referring to Bobby. Either way I'll probably pick one up and post a picture, if you or anyone else is interested the owner said he has a WHOLE CASE of it in the back. They were tax stamped with numbers so they've been around a while.

Just a clarification, the IW Harper at the store near me is in fact Gold Medal, 86 proof, QUART bottles not Liters. It'd be nice to know what distillery this came from, but from reading all the stuff I did it sounds like knowing is pretty much impossible.

I was going to be doing laundry tonite, but since the laundromat had a last load at 8:00 time, I may instead go to the bank machine and then go pick up on of those Harpers and give it a good sampling... We'll just have to see...

This is a bump. I want to hear what the experts have to say to Virus' find.
Ed

scratchline
07-23-2006, 12:44
Hey, Christian. There's actually quite a bit of that 86 proof IW Harper floating around California. I saw a couple of 1.75s yesterday. The 80 proof is even more common but the 86 can be had as well. I LOVE that stuff. Definitely give it a try. My guess is that you'll be going back for more. For quarts that's a decent price. I've been able to get newer metric bottles for a little bit cheaper, but the older whiskey is always more interesting.

Best.

-Mike

Virus_Of_Life
07-24-2006, 17:08
Hey, Christian. There's actually quite a bit of that 86 proof IW Harper floating around California. I saw a couple of 1.75s yesterday. The 80 proof is even more common but the 86 can be had as well. I LOVE that stuff. Definitely give it a try. My guess is that you'll be going back for more. For quarts that's a decent price. I've been able to get newer metric bottles for a little bit cheaper, but the older whiskey is always more interesting.

Best.

-Mike

Tried it this past weekend at Jim's place and it was phenomonal! I remember you telling me about it now Mike, and you are right its just more full and rich than most current whiskeys... I will be picking up whatever he has left, it'd be nice to get a good deal on it, but I am not going to hold my breath as he was trying to tell me how great of a price it already was for such an old whiskey! :lol: Yeah like he knew anything about it!...

ThomasH
07-24-2006, 23:01
I have opened my I.W.Harper 15yr. bottle and it isn't bad but not the best I've ever had either. Since my last name is also Harper it is quite a gimmick for me. Since this whiskey is no longer plentiful, I usually get it out every November and have a drink or 2 for my birthday. I really like the gold veined bottle it came and and plan to make mine into a lamp for my bar. As far as the Gold medal 86 and 100 proof, it has been nearly 25 years since I have tasted any. I remember my uncle buying my dad a bottle for a christmas gift because of the name. One night when mom and sis were gone, dad and I had mixed drinks from it. My 1st drink was made with whiskey that had my last name on the label. Someday I'll come across an old bottle of gold medal and try it again. I would especially like to try the 100 proof!

Thomas

cowdery
07-25-2006, 02:03
I..W. Harper is very popular in Japan and there are a lot of Japanese-Americans in California. I wonder if Diageo is starting to make it more available in California because there is a demand for it in the Japanese community?

Since the Japanese-American community is huge in Hawaii, I wonder if it's sold there? I don't think we have many members here from Hawaii, if any. Must have better things to do, what with living in paradise and all.

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-26-2006, 07:15
Since the Japanese-American community is huge in Hawaii, I wonder if it's sold there? I don't think we have many members here from Hawaii, if any. Must have better things to do, what with living in paradise and all.

Paradise without bourbon? That doesn't sound quite right...
Ed

Edward_call_me_Ed
07-26-2006, 07:20
I..W. Harper is very popular in Japan and there are a lot of Japanese-Americans in California. I wonder if Diageo is starting to make it more available in California because there is a demand for it in the Japanese community?
.

Have any of you Non-Japanese fans of I.W. Harper had a chance to taste the current expression of Gold Medal 80 proof no age statement that is available in Japan. I quite like it. I would probably like it better at a higher proof and a little older, but then again, I like it for what it is, and sometimes, it is the only perfect pour.
Ed

susieq
08-08-2006, 00:51
Does anyone know if you can buy IW Harper online? I've looked all over the web, but found nothing.

Hedmans Brorsa
08-09-2006, 04:15
Does anyone know if you can buy IW Harper online? I've looked all over the web, but found nothing.

Susieq (does the q stand for quatro, by the way?),

Iīm not sure where you are located but this place will ship to the US and many other places. They currently stock two versions of the Harper 12yo. Last time I checked they also carried the gold medal bottling for an exceedingly high price but it seems to be gone now.

http://www.spirituosen-superbillig.de/

Virus_Of_Life
08-20-2006, 13:43
With my new appreciation for older bottles of IW Harper, I have become very alert when in liquor stores and recently (finally) came across a BiB version. There's a little evaporation, but for the very reasonable price of $8.99 + tax, I wasn't complaining. It is tax stripped with a upc on the back, distilled at DSP-KY-1 and bottled at DSP-IN-2, 750ml so it's not as old as the 86 proof versions I found, but probably pretty close. Looking forward to tasting the two side by side.

highwine
12-09-2006, 12:53
With my new appreciation for older bottles of IW Harper, I have become very alert when in liquor stores and recently (finally) came across a BiB version. There's a little evaporation, but for the very reasonable price of $8.99 + tax, I wasn't complaining. It is tax stripped with a upc on the back, distilled at DSP-KY-1 and bottled at DSP-IN-2, 750ml so it's not as old as the 86 proof versions I found, but probably pretty close. Looking forward to tasting the two side by side.
Just found this forum. DSP-IN-2 belonged to Schenley Distillers and was closed/sold in ~1988 when the bottling operation was moved to Louisville at the Old Fitzgerald Distillery (also owned at that time under the Schemley name). I was QC manager at the Old Fitz plant them. The Bourbon continued to be distilled at the Louisville Bernheim Distillery. In 1992 we built an upgraded distillery on the Bernheim site. In 1999, I had the honor to become the Master Distiller of the Bernheim facility. In 2002, I took another job in Florida.

Looks like that all is in the past now - I don't see any Bourbons in the Diageo portfolio any more.

M

TNbourbon
12-09-2006, 21:07
...I don't see any Bourbons in the Diageo portfolio any more.

M

Welcome to the forums.
Diageo owns the Bulleit brand, but it is distilled for them at Four Roses in Lawrenceburg, KY.

Virus_Of_Life
12-09-2006, 21:22
I'll echo the welcome sentiments, it is always good to see a new member with your experience and knowledge base.

barturtle
12-09-2006, 21:25
Welcome to the forums.
Diageo owns the Bulleit brand, but it is distilled for them at Four Roses in Lawrenceburg, KY.

I believe they still own and distribute the I W Harper brand as well as James E Pepper, but both are export only. But the only American whiskey distillery they own is Dickel.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-10-2006, 04:05
I believe they still own and distribute the I W Harper brand as well as James E Pepper, but both are export only. But the only American whiskey distillery they own is Dickel.

Does anyone know where Pepper is sold today? Japan as usual, or?

I have never seen it in Europe.

A lukewarm review appears in Murrayīs bourbon book. That is my only relation to this elusive brand.

barturtle
12-10-2006, 08:27
I'm not sure where all it goes, but there seems to be a distributor in Bosnia (http://www.bobita.ba/croproizvodi_diaego_whiskey.php) that carries it.

Hedmans Brorsa
12-10-2006, 08:52
I'm not sure where all it goes, but there seems to be a distributor in Bosnia (http://www.bobita.ba/croproizvodi_diaego_whiskey.php) that carries it.

Well, there you go. Could never have guessed that.

I have to specify that when Iīm talking about Europe, I usually mean Western Europe. I have never been to Bosnia and, to be quite honest, Iīm not sure if I want to.

barturtle
12-10-2006, 09:04
I'm guessing that it's not bottled in the States, as it says bottled in bond on the label, yet is 43% alcohol.

barturtle
12-10-2006, 09:44
Did a bit more searching. It seems this brand is targeted in a small area. I turned up Moldova, Czech Republic, Hungary and Estonia.

One restaurant menu had it priced at less than half of Jim Beam

ra18921199
12-24-2006, 20:39
I have also been searching for I W Harper. Alas, to no positive end. I went to the website, http://www.diageo.com/en-row/OurBrands/AllourbrandsA-Z/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/OurBrands/AllourbrandsA-Z/) , http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/) and http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/OurHistory/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/OurHistory/) , and found nothing in the history of Diageo PLC to indicate that they presently owned or had ever owned or distributed I W Harper. I guess we have to keep searching for this apparent Holy Grail of bourbons.

barturtle
12-24-2006, 20:57
I have also been searching for I W Harper. Alas, to no positive end. I went to the website, http://www.diageo.com/en-row/OurBrands/AllourbrandsA-Z/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/OurBrands/AllourbrandsA-Z/) , http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/) and http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/OurHistory/ (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/AboutDiageo/OurHistory/) , and found nothing in the history of Diageo PLC to indicate that they presently owned or had ever owned or distributed I W Harper. I guess we have to keep searching for this apparent Holy Grail of bourbons.

If you look here (http://www.diageo.com/en-row/OurBrands/Howwemakeourbrands/Whisk%28e%29y/) you will find Harper mentioned

bluesbassdad
12-24-2006, 22:40
A Google search yields 321,000 hits. A few might actually be useful. Good luck.

Yours truly,
Dave Morefield