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cowdery
11-07-2007, 16:23
I just bought a bottle of this ($29.99 at Binny's) and am drinking it now. I like it a lot; clean, with spearmint and black pepper, and a surprisingly sweet cotton-candy finish.

But here's a curious thing. I've examined the bottle carefully, even the hang tag, and the name Wild Turkey appears nowhere. The official statement on the back label says Austin Nichols Distilling Company, Lawrenceburg, Kentucky, USA.

There you go. Russell's Reserve has become a full-out line extension. I suspect before too much longer the name will disappear from the bourbon package too.

doubleblank
11-07-2007, 19:13
Hey Chuck.....It's $24.99 here in Texas. I also find its taste very clean and spicy, almost "bright", not muddy at all. Makes a good Manhattan too.

Randy

ACDetroit
11-08-2007, 17:08
Hey Chuck? how would you say it compares to the WT Rye 101 (current)? I think Tim or Randy posted some old school WT Rye found recently but I've never seen any of those.

Tony

ACDetroit
11-08-2007, 17:10
OOPS! Thanks for the notes.

Virus_Of_Life
11-08-2007, 20:44
I just tasted this tonight for the first time, imagine that they have it at the bar in the Adams Mark hotel in St. Louis, and it is marvelous stuff! I don't know if it just the fact that I was tasting it for the first time or what, but this stuff shows complexity way beyond what I expected from a "6 year" old Rye.

A spicy entry with a sweet candy fruit finish. yummy!

jinenjo
11-09-2007, 12:12
Has anyone seen this in California yet?

Aside from Handy, I've no other open bottle of everyday rye.

:drinking: ...mmm, rye.

Virus_Of_Life
11-09-2007, 13:40
Has anyone seen this in California yet?

Aside from Handy, I've no other open bottle of everyday rye.

:drinking: ...mmm, rye.

I looked Lear right before I came back to StL and didn't see it anywhere so I doubt it's made its way out yet...

HighTower
11-10-2007, 03:42
Has anyone seen this in California yet?

Aside from Handy, I've no other open bottle of everyday rye.

:drinking: ...mmm, rye.
You call Handy an "everyday rye"??:bigeyes:
Holy crap I love the stuff, but I want it to last!

Scott

MikeK
11-10-2007, 07:38
OK, someone has to break up this love fest and be cranky. I had a pour recently at a big whiskey tasting here in Boston. It was perfectly fine, nothing wrong with it, but nothing great to make me need more either.

I like the younger ryes like WT Rye-101 and Baby-Saz for their bright sparkle and youthful fruitiness. I also love the older ryes like Sazerac and VWFRR for their age, richness, power, and complexity.

I found the RR rye-90 to fall into a middle ground that does not interest me. It was old enough to loose that youthful sparkle and start to dull and flatten out a bit, but not old enough to pick up richness and complexity.

Not a bad rye, but I don't personally care for middle of the road. Young and older whiskies have their own unique positive attributes, but this in-betweener doesn't seem to have the positives of either end, and doesn't show me anything particularly amazing at middle age.

Perhaps WT should show us a 12yo rye...

jinenjo
11-10-2007, 10:39
You call Handy an "everyday rye"??:bigeyes:
Holy crap I love the stuff, but I want it to last!

Scott

Clarification, Scott.

I meant to say I have no open bottle of an "everyday" rye. :grin:

BTW, I called Ed at Ledger's Liquors in Berkeley and he told me the "numbers are in" but the WTRRR has not hit the distributors yet.

Looks like Handy is my not-nearly-everyday-Rye.

smokinjoe
11-10-2007, 12:40
I would agree with Mike's take on this. I also found it to be rather "middling" in it's profile. Actually, had a difficult time believing it was a straight rye. From nose to finish, I just found it to plod along, and not delivering any of the spiciness, boldness and distinction that many of the other ryes deliver. And, when I drink rye, I want distinction. Middle of the road is not a place for rye, IMO. It was $26.99 at Cork n Bottle in Covington. For that money, I'd have to go with the Baby Saz every time.

JOE

MikeK
11-10-2007, 20:12
I would agree with Mike's take on this.

Yeah!!

I wonder if this is on purpose, a 'tamed' down rye for the masses, ala the mainstreaming of Russell's Reserve bourbon. RR for the everyman, original for the man who knows...

BourbonJoe
11-11-2007, 05:52
Thanks guys. You saved me some money.
Joe :usflag:

Virus_Of_Life
11-11-2007, 18:22
OK, someone has to break up this love fest and be cranky.


I would agree with Mike's take on this. I also found it to be rather "middling" in it's profile. Actually, had a difficult time believing it was a straight rye. From nose to finish, I just found it to plod along, and not delivering any of the spiciness, boldness and distinction that many of the other ryes deliver. And, when I drink rye, I want distinction. Middle of the road is not a place for rye, IMO. It was $26.99 at Cork n Bottle in Covington. For that money, I'd have to go with the Baby Saz every time.


Yeah!!

I wonder if this is on purpose, a 'tamed' down rye for the masses, ala the mainstreaming of Russell's Reserve bourbon. RR for the everyman, original for the man who knows...

Ouch, cranky is right :skep: :lol:

Well, I thought it was very good and showed enough signs of both but not too much of either. I guess I was tired of the altogether young or old as dirt Ryes and wanted something in the middle.

To each their own... That said, I did NOT buy a bottle while in Kentucky.

MikeK
11-11-2007, 19:46
Well, I thought it was very good and showed enough signs of both but not too much of either. I guess I was tired of the altogether young or old as dirt Ryes and wanted something in the middle.


Fair enough. It sounds like we are actually in agreement, while offering different opinions based on personal preference. I don't want to discourage anyone from trying or buying it. A variety of opinions is always helpful in getting a feel for something. What doesn't appeal to me will be perfect for someone else.

I also agree that we desparately need a middle aged rye. I applaud the attempt, I just don't think anyone has gotten it right yet.

Cheers!

nor02lei
11-12-2007, 10:41
I applaud the attempt, I just don't think anyone has gotten it right yet.

Cheers!

Well Mike I have tasted at least 2 middle age ryes that really have hit the spot for me. Unfortunately they are not possible to get anymore here. Rittenhouse 10 Y BIB (sold out) and old st Nick winter rye that are 9 years (sold out here but at least as I think still available in Japan). The later is one of the best whiskeys I have ever had. And what about Handy? That one seems to be a favourite among many members here.

Leif

MikeK
11-12-2007, 12:40
Handy is a nice rye, agreed. Another I thought of, but have never tried is some original VWFRR, back when it actually was 13 years old.

Interestingly, a few weeks back I mixed some baby-Saz and regular Saz in a glass to see if I could vat a decent middle aged rye. The result was certainly OK, but not as good as either of the ingredients.

cowdery
11-13-2007, 01:23
The positioning of the two lines at Wild Turkey seems to be to leave the Wild Turkey brand more traditional, 101 proof and higher (ignore the 80 proof, they do), and keep their super-premium stuff under the Turkey nameplate.

The Russell's Reserve brand is being used to appeal to entry level straight whiskey drinkers, younger people who are maybe coming to whiskey from vodka, or coming to straight whiskey from Jack & Coke, and the like. The proof, the profile and the price all tell me it's positioned in the same segment as Maker's, Woodford, Beam Black, Knob Creek, Four Roses Small Batch, Ridgemont 1792, Evan Williams Single Barrel, Bulleit, and Eagle Rare 10-year-old.

ILLfarmboy
11-13-2007, 05:28
....The Russell's Reserve brand is being used to appeal to entry level straight whiskey drinkers, younger people who are maybe coming to whiskey from vodka, or coming to straight whiskey from Jack & Coke, and the like. The proof, the profile and the price all tell me it's positioned in the same segment as Maker's, Woodford, Beam Black, Knob Creek, Four Roses Small Batch, Ridgemont 1792, Evan Williams Single Barrel, Bulleit, and Eagle Rare 10-year-old.

This begs the question what negative image do young drinkers have of Wild Turkey. Admittedly, WT does have a certain "bad ass" image continually perpetuated amongst the young crowd but at the same time the brand has always stood for quality. Is it loosing its "quality image" among the younger set?

smokinjoe
11-13-2007, 06:47
This begs the question what negative image do young drinkers have of Wild Turkey. Admittedly, WT does have a certain "bad ass" image continually perpetuated amongst the young crowd but at the same time the brand has always stood for quality. Is it loosing its "quality image" among the younger set?

Brad, I think your answer as to what the younger set thinks, lies in the "What planet do we live on?" thread. I don't think the name "Wild Turkey" fits with the image they're looking for. And, that demographic cares alot about image.

JOE

MikeK
11-13-2007, 09:51
I'm 43, and when I was of college age I had the impression that Wild Turkey was some crazy get drunk quick and puke later stuff ala Yukon Jack, Peppermint Schnapps, Southern Comfort, etc. I have no idea where this image came from, but that's what I thought it was.

Many many years later I educated myself about all things whiskey and learned that it was a very highly regarded bourbon. Imagine my surprise!

So I totally understand the recent marketing moves with the Russells Reserve brand and little or no mention of "Wild Turkey" on the label.

I think that most of the old time honored bourbon brand names sound very hillbilly to those who didn't grow up in bourbon country, and are a huge marketing problem as far as attracting a new generation of enthusiasts.

ILLfarmboy
11-13-2007, 11:27
There seems to be two camps forming with regard to taste impressions of this new rye from WT. I was hoping for a clear consensus. Its likely to be one of those Items I would have to order from Binny's. I was down in Peoria this past weekend, nothing down there. I was up in the Quad Cities just yesterday, nothing up there either.

Chuck mentioned a "cotton candy sweetness", something I wouldn't normally associate with WT Rye 101. In fact that phrase reminded me of the bottle of Templeton Rye I had. Much of that bottle got used up making Old Fashionds, where the cotton candy element was more welcome.

As things stand now, If I'm a bit flush with cash and I happen to see a bottle when out and about I may pick one up but I doubt I'll go out of my way to search it out or pay the shipping charges to get it from Binny's.

cowdery
11-13-2007, 18:05
Developing Russell's Reserve as a bourbon for the younger crowd doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with Wild Turkey's image. A line extension gives you more shelf space, more opportunities to connect with any consumer in another way.

smokinjoe
11-13-2007, 18:50
Developing Russell's Reserve as a bourbon for the younger crowd doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with Wild Turkey's image. A line extension gives you more shelf space, more opportunities to connect with any consumer in another way.

I'm in total agreement. Wild Turkey has it's image, and it is successful for it's target. The key here, is the image that the new target consumer of their bourbon, is trying to project. And I agree with WT, that addressing this with another line is a sound strategy. It's a tried and true one for many consumer products.

Chuck, will any print, TV, radio, billboard, advertising accompany this launch?

JOE

doubleblank
11-14-2007, 06:19
I also have no problem with what WT is doing with RR. They're developing a line extension and chasing a different target audience for them. WT is satisfying its long term customers with WT 101 and its regular rye bottlings. They're working the top shelf with KS, RB and the occasional limited releases such as Tribute and the new WT American Spirit. And they're producing a "softer" product with the RR offerings.

If a newbie to bourbon were to ask for recommendations to get started down the path, I think the RR offerings make excellent choices with their lower proofs and softer flavors. Most members on this board aren't looking for that, but hey, we're not their targeted customer for RR. They offer us WT 101, KS and WT AS.

Randy

Gillman
11-14-2007, 07:23
I think part of this (and I haven't tried the new rye yet) might be precisely an attempt to appeal to the knowledgeable end of the bourbon market, i.e., the one that drinks the whiskey neat with discernment - not all of that market because some bourbon fans want high proof and strong flavors, but the part that wants an approachable product consumed neat or just with ice.

I think the current EC 12 is an example, it is very good indeed taken just as it is: douse it with ice and water or Coca-Cola and it would not be as good as many other bourbons so treated (e.g., Knob Creek) IMO.

Some producers, including HH, offer a choice, e.g., the recent Parker's, and other companies too, e.g., BT has its high-octane range but also ETL and Buffalo Trace.

Personally, while I admire the purity and flavor of the big bruisers, I find myself inclining towards bourbons such as current EC 12, Buffalo Trace, ETL, EWSB, RR 90 (the bourbon), and other mid-proofs which are approachable in taste and proof. I don't have to adjust it with water, which despite the theory of it never seems to produce the calibrated flavors of a ready-made at least not without some working at it.

This doesn't mean I will like the new rye, we'll see.

Gary

DrinkyBanjo
11-14-2007, 09:58
I also have no problem with what WT is doing with RR. They're developing a line extension and chasing a different target audience for them. WT is satisfying its long term customers with WT 101 and its regular rye bottlings. They're working the top shelf with KS, RB and the occasional limited releases such as Tribute and the new WT American Spirit. And they're producing a "softer" product with the RR offerings.

If a newbie to bourbon were to ask for recommendations to get started down the path, I think the RR offerings make excellent choices with their lower proofs and softer flavors. Most members on this board aren't looking for that, but hey, we're not their targeted customer for RR. They offer us WT 101, KS and WT AS.

Randy

I just wish they could have left RR 101 alone and created a new 90 proof product. However, I have no issues with WT as their product line is quite extensive and has many other things that I enjoy, one new one being American Spirit!

I do enjoy the 90 proof though!

cowdery
11-14-2007, 14:11
Chuck, will any print, TV, radio, billboard, advertising accompany this launch?

JOE


I don't know.

cowdery
11-14-2007, 14:17
All things considered and looking at the WT line as a whole, we probably should be grateful that they are selling an age-stated 10-year-old product for $25, even if it is only 90 proof, though the fact that it makes a lot of us wish for something a little older and a little higher proof for something less than $80 is also understandable.

I will say this, especially after a long visit there recently. I like the way WT and their parent company do things and I feel confident that we will continue to enjoy its products in the future.

TBoner
11-17-2007, 11:53
I had the chance to taste some RR Rye last night with Grain Brain. Both of us had the same reaction upon tasting it: iced tea. It doesn't taste a thing like iced tea, but stick with me. First, it is very easy drinking. In a sense this takes it out of the realm of WT's profile (maybe making it appropriate to leave the WT name off). Second, the mint Chuck mentioned is clearly there, and mint goes with iced tea in my world. Finally, the first sip took me to my in-laws back porch, under a live oak, killing time with a good book and enjoying a cool breeze.

As Ben and I discussed it, we concluded that "middle ground" is an accurate descriptor, but one with a negative connotation. This isn't middle of the road like the Eagles or Jackson Browne (nothing against either act...I like them both). It's Neil Young on Harvest: just something different from the foot-stomping and screaming guitars.

I expected to not like this whiskey, given earlier comments and my own love of WT Rye. But taken on its own merits, this is a lovely, well-spiced rye with a soft, sweet middle, some flinty edges, and a beautifully minty finish. I can see myself having a really lovely Saturday with half a bottle of this...or really getting into trouble.

Gillman
11-19-2007, 04:33
I have just sampled this and think it is an excellent whiskey. I think too, as others have speculated, WT is going for a subtler palate than usual here. The palate is soft and rich with rye, mint and old roses evident but well-integrated in the whole.

Also, I would say it is probably best consumed as a first or second drink due to its mildness.

Gary

MikeK
11-19-2007, 09:22
I had another pour this weekend. Very strong spearmint on the nose. I'm surprised how much this tastes like Sazerac. If given to me blind I would have guessed a BT product before WT. A nice drink early in the rotation.

cas
11-19-2007, 12:55
This isn't middle of the road like the Eagles or Jackson Browne (nothing against either act...I like them both). It's Neil Young on Harvest: just something different from the foot-stomping and screaming guitars.



So what rye (or bourbon) is an analogue for Neil Young on Living with War?
Craig

HipFlask
11-19-2007, 14:01
I was thinking it is more like "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd. A least that how I felt after a evenings bonfire and the better part of a bottle of the rye. I picked up 2 bottles on sale for $14.99. Funny thing I'm known as WildTurkey on most every web place. It was what I was drinking many years ago when I needed a screen name. WT Rare breed.

CrispyCritter
11-19-2007, 21:28
I had another pour this weekend. Very strong spearmint on the nose. I'm surprised how much this tastes like Sazerac. If given to me blind I would have guessed a BT product before WT. A nice drink early in the rotation.

I have yet to try it (but I've seen it on the shelf recently) - but at its general price point, I can't help but wonder if they're aiming at Baby Saz with this one, but the Saz is a few dollars less here.

TBoner
11-19-2007, 22:19
So what rye (or bourbon) is an analogue for Neil Young on Living with War?
Craig
This was a brainteaser I thought about all night. That record starts with some promising stuff, explodes in the middle, but ends abruptly and less effectively than it means to. WLW '05?

BTW, I vatted equal parts WT Rye and RR Rye tonight. Wouldn't you know, it packs much more of a wallop that way, but the sweeter, rounded elements of the 6yo provide balance. In other words, it's great: a rich pour, and one I'll revisit.

Frodo
11-19-2007, 23:08
I have just sampled this and think it is an excellent whiskey. I think too, as others have speculated, WT is going for a subtler palate than usual here. The palate is soft and rich with rye, mint and old roses evident but well-integrated in the whole.

Also, I would say it is probably best consumed as a first or second drink due to its mildness.

I haven't had many WT products yet (NAS & RB only) but I think I fell off my chair when I heard you decribe this WT product as "mild"...

Not the first thing I think of when I think "Wild Turkey".

Gillman
11-20-2007, 05:04
It really is different from the take-no-prisoners 101 style that is the classic WT approach. Only one part of it is the drop to 90 proof, the flavor also is milder than usually we get with WT products. RR 90 (the bourbon) heralded the change and those who like it will I think like the RR 90 rye too. The 101 rye at 4 years is still available for those who like a more assertive palate and I can only hope its quality will be kept as good as in the last 4-5 years, i.e., that the best barrels are not being reserved for the new brand. So far it's all good.

Gary

cas
11-20-2007, 09:27
This was a brainteaser I thought about all night. That record starts with some promising stuff, explodes in the middle, but ends abruptly and less effectively than it means to. WLW '05?


Didn't mean to keep you awake. But I generally agree with your analysis. The ending is a little flat. For each.
Craig

TnSquire
01-04-2008, 10:34
Brad, I think your answer as to what the younger set thinks, lies in the "What planet do we live on?" thread. I don't think the name "Wild Turkey" fits with the image they're looking for. And, that demographic cares alot about image.

JOE

The image has been associated with Trailers, pick-ups and wife beater t-shirts. At least in E. Tn where I grew up. I am not saying that is what it should be. I have enough 20 something friends to know that that image has not changed much in the last 20 years.

It is funny but the GUYS I know that start moving to whiskey do so in their late 20s to 30s. The frat boys do it in the early to mid 20s but only when they are at football games or duck hunting.....:cool:

Empty_One
01-04-2008, 12:10
The image has been associated with Trailers, pick-ups and wife beater t-shirts. At least in E. Tn where I grew up. I am not saying that is what it should be. I have enough 20 something friends to know that that image has not changed much in the last 20 years.

It is funny but the GUYS I know that start moving to whiskey do so in their late 20s to 30s. The frat boys do it in the early to mid 20s but only when they are at football games or duck hunting.....:cool:


Wow, this fits me perfectly. Every image I have of WT is either of what you describe, or the homeless. I'm not really sure what cemented this in my mind, but it is there. After reading a lot of posts here, and coming to the realization that I know absolutely nothing about bourbon, I am trying to change that.

I also have to agree with your second point, speaking as a 34 year old who just purchased his first bottle of bourbon to drink, and not to mix with Coke.

JeffRenner
01-07-2008, 08:59
I was checking the Michigan Liquor Control Commission online price list (http://www.cis.state.mi.us/lcc_code/rs_lcct.asp?typecode=STRAIGHT+RYE&hiddenField3=&type2.x=37&type2.y=13) and see that the Russell Reserve Rye has hit Michigan for $24.95 minimum price.

Strangely, the listing has "PL" at the end, which means it is in a plastic bottle. I hope this is a typo! Although, as a collector of pre-1950 glass decanters, I have several rye decanters that would work fine.

I'll be picking up a bottle soon. As a rye lover, I am looking forward to trying it.

Jeff

JeffRenner
01-07-2008, 20:44
I was checking the Michigan Liquor Control Commission online price list (http://www.cis.state.mi.us/lcc_code/rs_lcct.asp?typecode=STRAIGHT+RYE&hiddenField3=&type2.x=37&type2.y=13) and see that the Russell Reserve Rye has hit Michigan for $24.95 minimum price.

Well, I struck out today at my local liquor shop. While it's in the online price list, they can only order from the paper list, which next comes out next week. So maybe then.

Meanwhile, I'm contenting myself comparing the two Willett's HH 126 proof 4 yo, while watching Ohio State lose to LSU. (The only time this Wolverine will root for OSU!)

Jeff

pepcycle
01-08-2008, 08:43
I like this rye!!!

The entry is so sweeeeeeeeeet, the transition to rye grassiness smooth and the finish dances on the tongue.

How'd they do this?

Not Turkey-like, IMHO.

BTW: They've really gone to an extreme in making sure that it doesn't say WT anywhere on the bottle, even in the little neck tag and story on the back.

On the other hand, they give Eddie Russell quite a bit of recognition. Is this the groundwork for the transition that will allow Russell's Reserve to continue after Jimmie "retires"?

Gillman
01-08-2008, 10:35
It's a fine product, it's almost like when Macallan introduced its Fine Oak series (not all aged in ex-sherry casks even though that was Macallan's signature). I like when companies take chances and try to do something different. I wish Beam Global would do similar, the Knob Creek and other small batchers should be expanded in similarly innovative ways, starting with a bonded Old Overholt.

Gary

Old Lamplighter
01-12-2008, 08:50
Picked up some of this a couple of days ago. Everything said thus far to the positive aspects of this rye are true. It is my first experience with rye that is less than 9-10 yrs old. Being inexperienced, I am both very impressed - but, at the same time easily impressed at this point in time. I suppose the next step will be to get some Saz Jr and maybe a couple of others and do some further tasting/comparisons. However, at the current juncture, RRR has really impressed me. It is lively & spicy but at the same time has a smoothness that speaks of older rye than 6 years.

Caradog
01-15-2008, 22:34
I don't think the name "Wild Turkey" fits with the image they're looking for. And, that demographic cares alot about image.

JOE

No less an inventor/eccentric/framer/admirer of women and libation than Benjamin Frankin wanted the national bird to be the wild turkey.

Next time you sit down for a word with the Bird - or a cousin, like RRR - try to forget about sneaking thimblefulls before the big dance, and ruminate on...Ben Franklin.

smokinjoe
01-16-2008, 07:11
No less an inventor/eccentric/framer/admirer of women and libation than Benjamin Frankin wanted the national bird to be the wild turkey.

Next time you sit down for a word with the Bird - or a cousin, like RRR - try to forget about sneaking thimblefulls before the big dance, and ruminate on...Ben Franklin.

Took your advise and ruminated on Ben Franklin. I mean, ruminated hard. Certainly, one of the great men of our history. Geeze, anybody who can sit on his porch naked in the dead of a New England winter has got to be admired! :D But, as hard as I ruminated, I am still not crazy about this whiskey. I don't dislike it, mind you, just not what I am looking for. And, speculating that WT may be marketing this product to a younger demographic, I would still agree that a name change might be appropriate.

Cheers!

JOE

DrinkyBanjo
01-16-2008, 12:50
Any news on when they are going to expand the distribution?

Martian
01-17-2008, 07:54
I tried the new RRR last month. It has a definite resemblance to the RR 90 Bourbon. If you like one you will probably like the other. The WT Rye 101 is better over ice, as there is less flavor loss due to dilution.

ILLfarmboy
01-25-2008, 17:19
Thanks to the cooperation of a fellow member. Thanks James. I'm sipping some of this for the first time.

The nose barely says "turkey" In fact is almost says "Canadian". I get a little of the mint and a little bit of cotton candy and quite a bit of what Gary Gillman referred to as old roses. I take it he means a damascus or perhaps something like an old book smell (the pages not the binding). I get that with Saz. Jr. but with the Saz. its counterbalanced with carmel and a more aggressive rye taste. There is a bit of "older rye" taste there but it fades fast. Something there, perhaps the "damascus" combined with the subdued rye (gassiness more than spice) leaves the impression of, and I know this is strange but, the smell of a freshly opened deck of playing cards.

I am glad to have finely tasted some of this and I don't regret the trade, but I don't think another bottle is in my future.

smokinjoe
02-24-2008, 17:50
This one is from the "go figure" category. The Triple R has not been a favorite of mine in the rye category, because I have found it to be too mild and unchallenging when consumed neat. I like my ryes to hit me in the nose and make my eyes water. However, this weekend, as I found my last bottle of Ale-8-One in the fridge, I decided to mix it with RRR. And, boy, was I surprised. The spiciness, flavor, and even the "richness" of this rye really shone through. I was so impressed, that I poured myself a little bit, to try it again neat. Maybe, this is growing on me, I thought. Well, wrong. Still, it lacks in the flavor department when poured neat, IMO. But at any rate, I have found a nice mixer with Ginger when I have a hankering for that. Actually, more than a "nice" mixer. As if, that's all it's good for. This is more than that. This, in my humble opinion, is a perfect mixer with Ginger for me. I just can't help but wonder, why the flavor is so pronounced when mixed, but doesn't do anything for me when neat. The mysteries of Bourbonia, I guess.

JOE

Old Lamplighter
02-25-2008, 16:19
The Triple R has not been a favorite of mine in the rye category, because I have found it to be too mild and unchallenging when consumed neat.JOE

As my first bottle of "Triple R" slips nearer and nearer the empty mark, I have come to the same conclusion. Weird as it may sound as well as bordering on 'bourbon blasphemy', I began to mix a little RB in with RRR a couple of weeks back. The strong rye flavor that I find in RB seems to have turned the 3R up a notch or two which is more to my liking.

I am not likely to buy a second bottle anytime soon. More likely to go back to the solid bet, WT Rye.

jinenjo
02-25-2008, 19:45
I too won't be buying another bottle. Chalk this one up to another disappointing purchase (I was going to post it on that thread). I am not sure were they went wrong with this rye--I don't think it's the lower proof either. The RRR is a moderately decent whiskey pour, however, it just doesn't hold a candle to the Saz or Ritt.

RM High
05-12-2008, 20:22
Hmmm, I am a noob, but I am actually enjoying the RR rye.

Whiskey Willie
05-13-2008, 05:28
Hmmm, I am a noob, but I am actually enjoying the RR rye.

Buy and drink what you enjoy.

I find RR rye just "OK." After finishing the bottle, I went back to WT rye.

Gillman
05-17-2008, 18:29
Smokin's notes about RR rye are interesting. I think the bottlings are selected in a way to maximize palate softness and a good but smooth, approachable flavor. However, when the drink is diluted with water or ginger ale, that balance is "upset" and the genuinely assertive notes that are in there come to the fore. Apart from this use for RR rye, I think it is an excellent dram as an after-dinner drink, or a pick-me-up when a rich but not overchallenging drink is wanted.

A recent bottle of the regular WT rye impressed with its full flavors combining fresh grainy notes, maple qualities and some sweet barrel wood.

I do not know a finer straight whiskey for the price (around $20). Each bottle strikes me as a little different. Sometimes they are a little woody for my taste, sometimes I get that "old roses" taste I really like. The current sample mentioned impressed by its full flavor (the grain perfectly balanced against the barrel) and its drinkability at, yes, 100 proof.

Wild Turkey is a primo distiller and I find its products better than ever.

Gary

OldJack
05-20-2008, 06:35
The image has been associated with Trailers, pick-ups and wife beater t-shirts. At least in E. Tn where I grew up. I am not saying that is what it should be. I have enough 20 something friends to know that that image has not changed much in the last 20 years.

It is funny but the GUYS I know that start moving to whiskey do so in their late 20s to 30s. The frat boys do it in the early to mid 20s but only when they are at football games or duck hunting.....:cool:

The brand image here in Texas was cemented by Ray Wylie Hubbard in his condemnation of Oklahoma rednecks- "Up Against the Wall, Redneck Mother", though most of us have only heard the Jerry Jeff Walker version.


He was born in Oklahoma
And his wife's name is Betty Lou Thelma Liz
He's not responsible for what he's doing
His mother made him what he is

CHORUS:

And it's up against the wall, redneck mother
Mother who has raised her son so well
He's 34 and drinkin' in some honky tonk
Kickin' hippies' asses and raisin' hell.

Sure does like his Falstaff Beer
He likes to chase it down with that Wild Turkey Liquor
He's got a '57 GMC pickup truck
Got a gun rack
"A Goat Roper needs love too" sticker

(CHORUS)

M is for the mud flaps she gave me for my pickup truck
O is for the oil I put on my hair
T is for T-Bird
H is for Haggard
E is for Eggs
R is for Redneck

(Chorus)

WhiskeyRiver
05-20-2008, 11:16
Excellent post OldJack. You got me singin' at work.

JeffRenner
05-23-2008, 19:51
Well, I've finished most of the bottle of RRR that I bought a couple of months ago, and I have to say, color me underwhelmed. Perfectly fine whiskey, but not what I was hoping for.

WT Rye, as Gary says, has been far more satisfying lately. I think it went through a rough patch a few years ago. Probably demand outstripping supply. But my most recent bottle (I have made sure to keep one always on hand the last ten years) has been especially nice. Full of flavor and complexity, and nicely balanced. And way too drinkable!

And, slightly off the specific topic, the two year old bottle of Sazarac 6-y-o that I couldn't finish because of the off-flavor of musty, damp basement suddenly cleared up and has been wonderful. Has it changed, or have I?

Now I will have to buy a bottle of BT and try it. I used to love it, but a few years ago, it, too, suddenly seemed to have that dank smell and taste.

OK, maybe just one more short WT rye before I turn in, if you insist.

Jeff

Gillman
05-24-2008, 00:35
Even Handy seems much better to me now than when first released. I believe these current bottlings (Saz, Handy, maybe WT rye too) have simply gotten more age than a few years ago.

Gary

cigarnv
05-25-2008, 12:42
I have found very few American whiskeys I dislike but also find all whiskeys have a time and place. The RRR I find to be a very good pour when the palate calls for a very soft, approachable whiskey that does not require a good deal of thought. It has very nice balance, decent complexity and a sweet back end. It is a whiskey for a warm summer day and does well with a good read and a cigar. I suspect the RRR will find a good following..

callmeox
06-07-2008, 09:42
I picked up a bottle of this today, so tonight it will go head-to-head with Baby Saz.

callmeox
06-08-2008, 06:32
After baking my brains for 10 hours in the sun doing landscaping, I was too tired to pull off a tasting. I tried the RRR straight up and with some ice and I really liked the pour. Definitely a good addition to the cabinet.

Dr. François
06-08-2008, 11:46
I tried the RRR straight up and with some ice and I really liked the pour. Definitely a good addition to the cabinet.

I agree...it has a place on the shelf. I find it to be more reminiscent of high quality Canadian whiskey than Kentucky styled whiskey. It reminds me of an older bottle of 10YO Wiser's Deluxe that ACDetroit gave me (because the whiskey was born the same year I was).

sku
06-28-2008, 07:42
I hadn't tried any WT rye products and in the last month tried both 101 Rye and Russel Reserve. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised at both.

The 101 was very approachable and a bit on the sweet side, if I recall correctly.

The RR is a real stand-out rye with nice though not overpowering rye flavor. I've been drinking it the past few nights and really enjoying it. I must say, among those in its price range, I prefer it to Rittenhouse and would rank it near Baby Saz, though I didn't do side by side tastings.

Good stuff, both.

ACDetroit
06-28-2008, 08:53
I agree...it has a place on the shelf. I find it to be more reminiscent of high quality Canadian whiskey than Kentucky styled whiskey. It reminds me of an older bottle of 10YO Wiser's Deluxe that ACDetroit gave me (because the whiskey was born the same year I was).


Hey Doc! can I get a second opinion today?? :lol:

Just Joking. I did try these side by side last night and found I enjoy the 101 RYE a little better. The RRR was a bit to subtle for this kid (I guess I like my Rye to kick me in the teeth :cool: notice the smiley has no teeth).

I think a side by side with the Wiser's Deluxe and the Russell's Reserve Rye could be in order! If you have not killed the Wiser's is not empty.

AC (in the "D")

Dr. François
06-28-2008, 21:28
I think a side by side with the Wiser's Deluxe and the Russell's Reserve Rye could be in order! If you have not killed the Wiser's is not empty.



We may have to do that side-by-side soon. Maybe I'll fill up some bottles and ship 'em out.

In the meantime, our most recent tasting of Turkey Ryes (A Tale of Three Turkeys) is online! Stop by and drop us some feedback!

http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9861

RRR90 didn't fare as well as I had hoped! That's the problem with blind tasting, I suppose.

BourbonJoe
06-29-2008, 06:00
RRR90 didn't fare as well as I had hoped! That's the problem with blind tasting, I suppose.

But it's the only way to compare whiskies.
Joe :usflag:

RedVette
07-07-2008, 16:16
My local liquor emporium has 3 bottles on the shelf, at $55 a piece. A couple of weeks ago as I was looking at these with extreme dismay, a 21 year old finely trained employee came up to me with a "kin I hep ya?". I told her that I believed the product was mismarked, that the folks at Wild Turkey intended this product to be sold for between $25 and $30. At first she looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears, then she got her act together and said "I'll bring that to my managers attention" and turned hightail. They are still $55 and I still have not had an opportunity to taste this product.

RedVette
07-28-2008, 19:23
Well, my liquor store finally got their act together and repriced RR Rye at $27. The first bottle I bought went down fast and smooth, I still have the second unopened. If my state had Saz Jr. it would be my favorite daily rye, but alas, it is nowhere to be found. Of the obtainable ryes this RR rye is right up there with standard WT rye, I can drink this whiskey.