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thanson
11-09-2007, 11:34
Hello all. A little about myself, I grew up in Wisconsin, in the home of Woodman's (which I saw referenced recently.) I've also lived in Austin and currently reside in Seattle.

I started drinking MM Manhattans about 10 years ago. About 3 years ago, a friend introduced me to Knob Creek. That got me started drinking my bourbon neat. I tried a few others that were similar and felt like it was boring. I didn't realize everything I tried was also from Beam.

I branched out a bit. After reading about Ryes, I decided to try the only well reviewed Rye I could find in WA state at that time, the BMH 18. That just blew me away, and got me excited to experiment again. From there I tried PVW 20 & ER 17 (2006). Both were excellent, esp the PVW. I've had quite a few ryes and bourbons since. Aside from the aforementioned, I've particularly enjoyed the BMH 23 rye, EC18 & OGD 114. I also appreciate BT and Rittenhouse BIB.

I'm probably the only person who doesn't love the Hirsch 16. It thought it was just uninteresting and one dimensional, certainly not worth the price. I'm not that thrilled with an ETL I got. It had an odd burnt corn husk flavor that seemed to overwhelm everything else. It seems to be dissipating as the bottle stays open, though. The worst thing I've tried is definitely the WT Rye. It has this strong bitter and sour flavor.

I appreciate all the good info, and I'm always looking for recommendations. I've just ordered a bottle of GTS & Handy, and I'd like to locate a Saz18. Hopefully the BTAC will show up here soon.

I probably won't post much. I'm more of a listener than a talker, and it's obvious there's a lot of expertise here.

Thanks,
Tim

HighTower
11-09-2007, 13:44
Welcome to SB.com, Tim!

Like you said, plenty of info here, the search function will help you find lots of it.
Good luck with the Saz, this years appears to be a favorite!

Scott

T47
11-09-2007, 20:54
Welcome from another NW'r! I picked up my BTAC bottles from the 4th Ave. Store today. I have a feeling they were all spoken for and were not ever going to hit the shelf. I am glad they ended up coming in as the manager had told me at one point it didn't look good.
I recall that you live by the UW? Were you able to order them from the U-Village Store?
I am not giving up on "speical orders" just yet. I'm going to visit my local store in Sammamish and see what type of person the manager is there. The State Policy seems to be if your willing to order a case, they will order anything, but I have not found that to be the situation at most of the stores? I have a pretty good bunker going now, so I have time to work on it.
Anyhow, welcome to SB.com!

:toast:

Sijan
11-09-2007, 21:30
Welcome Tim. I don't like my bottle of Hirsch 16 either, although I've tasted from a few others that were pretty good. There seems to be bottle variation even within the gold foil bottling.

Rughi
11-10-2007, 08:34
The State Policy seems to be if your willing to order a case, they will order anything...

Sounds like you need to form an East Side Study Group - as a group buying club, if nothing else.

Roger

PS: Remember "East Side Story - Where the Bellevue Squares take out the Trash of Factoria?"

luv2hunt
11-11-2007, 15:22
He's from Wisconsin :cool::cool: It's all good!!

Welcome :grin::grin:

mgilbertva
11-11-2007, 21:52
Like Dan (Sijan) there's quite a few of here who don't care for the Hirsch gold foil. If you do a search for Hirsch you'll find there's quite a bit written about it. For me I don't like how metallic it comes across. That's what you get when whiskey sits in steel tanks too long I guess.

The blue wax and gold wax releases are another story, however. The blue wax is one of my all time favorites.

At any rate, welcome to sb, and good luck on your bourbon journey.

thanson
11-12-2007, 11:45
I picked up my BTAC bottles from the 4th Ave. Store today. I have a feeling they were all spoken for and were not ever going to hit the shelf. I am glad they ended up coming in as the manager had told me at one point it didn't look good.
I recall that you live by the UW? Were you able to order them from the U-Village Store?
I am not giving up on "speical orders" just yet. I'm going to visit my local store in Sammamish and see what type of person the manager is there. The State Policy seems to be if your willing to order a case, they will order anything, but I have not found that to be the situation at most of the stores? I have a pretty good bunker going now, so I have time to work on it.
Anyhow, welcome to SB.com!

:toast:

What's a person have to do to get some of this? I've been calling the 4th Ave store every Wed for the past month. I was told this was the way to check since deliveries always come in on Wed. This last Wed I went in person to check since I was starting to get anxious, and I was told nothing came in. Is there some magic handshake I'm missing? About a month ago, I was placed on a "list" so that I would get called if something came in. I guess I know how well that worked.

I haven't tried actually "ordering" as you say because of the 1 case requirement. There isn't much that I would want 12 bottles of. AFAIK, all I can do is get on a notify list that doesn't seem to work.

I tried driving down to the 4th ave store today to beg, but it's Veteran's Day :(

T47
11-12-2007, 13:23
Did you talk to Mary the manager? I don't know where these bottles came from? She had told me at one point when she tried to order them the response was they were not available, then I got an email saying they were getting some in?

I don't know if a case is always 12, I think they come in 6's and 3's as well.

I will keep an eye out for you as well. My son goes to school in Spokane, and for some reason some nice bottles show up over there on occasion? Does not seem to be any way to really figure it out.

There used to be a store at 6th and University, and the gal that was the manager there was top notch. She always seemed to have a selection of the VW's and a great Buffalo Trace selection as well, so I know it's possible.

When I have a Monday off I am going to try and stop by the Sammamish store and meet the manager. I am going to give him the same wish list I gave Mary and see what he says? I also would like to get a more consistent answer on how the "special order" thing works.

As always if I get any news on a special order I will let you know. If I find a lone bottle I will pick it up for you...if you want to PM me your cell phone # I can always give you a call if I find anything that is "special" to see if you want me to pick one up for you as well?

:toast:

BourbonJoe
11-13-2007, 08:04
I don't know if a case is always 12, I think they come in 6's and 3's as well.


The BTAC comes in cases of 3.
Joe :usflag:

barturtle
11-13-2007, 10:35
IIRC, the BTEC Zin was in a case of two, one of each bottle.

thanson
11-13-2007, 11:54
I managed to get the last bottle of Handy at the 4th Ave store. I talked to Allen who said that they only called one person, this guy from out of town who keeps emailing Mary. I say, Todd? Yeah, that's him. It shows that persistence pays off.

Interestingly, he wasn't even going to tell me they had any BTAC until I told him I was on the list. Even still, they haven't even started calling people on the list.

I asked if they were going to get any Saz 18. He thought some might come in tomorrow. He asked if I was that guy who's been calling every week. Yes. He sounded a little annoyed with me. Then I asked if he'd prefer if I dropped by in person. He said no. Just call tomorrow. So I will.

thanson
11-13-2007, 11:56
I forgot to ask, which bottles did you get Todd? The only other thing the had was the Weller.

Bailey
11-13-2007, 15:30
Tim & Todd:

I was just over at the 4th Avenue store on Saturday and was told that they weren't going to be getting any of the BTAC. I am not on "the list" so perhaps that had something to do with it. I don't think I have ever seen a bottle of Stagg, Handy or Saz18 in Yakima. When you talk to the folks over here about special orders their eyes get sort of glassy. If either of you guys find Stagg, Handy or Saz18 let me know where you got it. As an alternative I would be happy to joint venture on getting a few cases if it makes more sense to do it that way.

Roger

T47
11-13-2007, 18:58
It shows that persistence pays off... Interestingly, he wasn't even going to tell me they had any BTAC until I told him I was on the list. Even still, they haven't even started calling people on the list
Maybe I am annoying Mary too? I think that persistence is the only way to find anything. Even with all my contact with Mary, I had requested some Henry Mckenna SB. I never heard from her and happened to stop by the store and see it on the shelf. Oh well, we do what we can.


I forgot to ask, which bottles did you get Todd? The only other thing the had was the Weller.
I picked up a Stagg, a WL Weller and a Handy.


...I don't think I have ever seen a bottle of Stagg, Handy or Saz18 in Yakima. When you talk to the folks over here about special orders their eyes get sort of glassy. If either of you guys find Stagg, Handy or Saz18 let me know where you got it. As an alternative I would be happy to joint venture on getting a few cases if it makes more sense to do it that way. Roger
If I get any good scoop on special orders I will let you all know. I know I can always find guys at work who want it as well, so a case of 12 would not even be to bad if we could do it. I have a couple each of the BTAC now so I will be sure to grab bottles for you guys if I see them.
I share in your frustration!

By the way Roger, welcome to SB.com. The stores on 4th and 12th are generally the ones with the best over all selection. If there is something you want me to keep my eye out for let me know. Of course I will keep an eye out for the "biggies" (BTAC, Saz, the Van Winkle's). Several other less frequent bottles make there way to the shelves there on occasion so if I see them, I will try and post...

:toast:

Bailey
11-13-2007, 23:59
Thanks for keeping an eye out. I just got back from L.A. where I was able to pick up a couple of Pappys, a 06 Stagg and some Hirsch 16 so I am feeling pretty satisfied right now but I know if I don't move quick on the BTAC it will be gone. It probably already is.

Roger

thanson
11-14-2007, 15:38
I was just at the 4th ave store. They have VW15. They also had a few Handys left. I got a Saz18. I was told they only got one case of the Saz18, and it was all spoken for. I tried to get the whole thing, but they'd only let me have 1 bottle. They also seemed to have plenty of ER17. There was no problem grabbing more than 1 bottle of that.

Cornman
11-14-2007, 22:00
What's a person have to do to get some of this?

Glad you found out!

For the benefit of the others here, THanson and I ran into each other at the 4th Ave Store today. (I finally got "the call").

THanson: "Oh, are you here for the Sazerac, too?"
Cornman: "Uh, yeah. By any chance are you on StraightBourbon.com?"

But this episode did clarify for me some things about "what a guy has to do" that I'll pass on FWIW: be persistent and keep asking questions of different staff members.

I finally got my allocation of Saz 18, but was sure interested in getting some more Handy (I only have one!).

I had repeatedly been told over the last weeks that there was no more BTAC of any sort that had not been spoken for, either available now or expected soon. They were going to order more, but that hadn't happened yet and it wouldn't be available for weeks and weeks anyway, etc, etc. Fair enough. But as we checked out, the clerk casually mentioned that there was one bottle of that 'other Sazerac' on the shelf which turned out to be a Handy.

THanson and I squared off and fought nearly to the death. I nearly drove him off with a broken Pisco bottle, but his youth and vigor finally won out over my superior beergut and he cackled off, clutching his prize to the cashier. As I wiped the blood from my face and regained my bearings, I complained about my lost chance at more Handy, only to be interrupted by the Asst Manager, "oh yeah, we have 5 more in back, I'll get you some". I got two. End of my allowance for the year.

These folks at the 4th Ave store do a pretty good job catering to the likes of us, but this isn't the first time that there has been some internal lack of communication.

Keep asking questions. In person is probably better than by phone.