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closetbourbonlvr
12-19-2007, 13:05
Hey,

Not new to Bourbon but new to this site. Interest in Bourbon has peeked as a friend and I started to look into it more. It was sparked on by our love of fine coffee, its taste and its production. Friend and I both started touring various distilleries. I have recently read the Cowdery book Bourbon Straight and that only fueled the fire.

It is also part heritage since I am from Ky.

I have to comment on my name. I chose it b/c I am in a profession in which any interest in bourbon or any other alcohol is looked down upon. I don't think its fair but its the price I pay to do what I do.

But look forward to the conversations.

shyster512
12-19-2007, 19:23
Southern Baptist Minister?

closetbourbonlvr
12-19-2007, 19:35
Southern Baptist Minister?

Super Close. Different Denomination.

shyster512
12-19-2007, 19:47
I really have a hard time finding the Biblical prohibition on the responsible use of Alcoholic beverages. I know that stong drink is a mocker, but I also know that Jesus's first miracle was making the wedding wine, and one of his last acts was the symbolic wine at the Last Supper. I don't know why Baptist are so fundamentally opposed and put the prohibition in most Church Covenants.

closetbourbonlvr
12-19-2007, 20:21
I really have a hard time finding the Biblical prohibition on the responsible use of Alcoholic beverages. I know that stong drink is a mocker, but I also know that Jesus's first miracle was making the wedding wine, and one of his last acts was the symbolic wine at the Last Supper. I don't know why Baptist are so fundamentally opposed and put the prohibition in most Church Covenants.

You are right. There is nothing there that condemns its use. It obviously condemns drunkenness b/c of the repercussions it can have on life.

The only other prohibition is if it were to cause someone else to "stumble." Ex: If I were out somewhere and I was with a buddy who was a recovering alcoholic I would certainly not have a drink so that I might keep him from being temped and thus fall off the wagon.

But I am right with you. Its not just Baptists. Its many denominations.

Now I say that knowing that the fears to an extent are valid. Many lives have been axed b/c of alcohol but its not fair to remove it from those who use it rightly any more than you and I should walk to work tomorrow b/c many use cars in road rage acts.

Thanks for commenting here.

shyster512
12-19-2007, 20:26
As they say in church, "Amen."

ACDetroit
12-19-2007, 20:35
CBL, welcome to the site. I was just listening to a local minister on CD this morning and he was saying just that! The reason most churches have grape juice now is not because the Bible says don't drink. The church does it for those who attend church with a problem and that sip of wine could send them on a week long bender. I am also a youth small group leader and host for the childrens service a our church! So welcome again and enjoy the ride. So much to learn about and so many to sample!!

Cheers!

Tony Curtis

closetbourbonlvr
12-19-2007, 20:39
CBL, welcome to the site. I was just listening to a local minister on CD this morning and he was saying just that! The reason most churches have grape juice now is not because the Bible says don't drink. The church does it for those who attend church with a problem and that sip of wine could send them on a week long bender. I am also a youth small group leader and host for the childrens service a our church! So welcome again and enjoy the ride. So much to learn about and so many to sample!!

Cheers!

Tony Curtis

Thanks. I hope to be around some here and there.

sprocket
12-20-2007, 20:59
It's more of a cultural thing than a religious thing. I don't think many Americans justify anti-drinking sentiments from the bible, they just "know" that it's wrong (along with gambling, and in some circles, dancing and card-playing).

Most religious people in other countries think that we Christians are hopelessly prudish when it comes to alcohol.

But, then again, this is the country that had the Prohibition, right?

Just keep your stash in the closet!

whiskydude
12-22-2007, 08:41
Welcome from another new guy from Ky. Your brief take on alcohol v. religion seems well thought out and logical and I couldn't agree more. Man's traditions and interpretation of the Bible leads us into more disagreements regarding very superficial things. As a teen I brought a bottle of IBC root beer to a youth lunch get together at the church and was mildly chastised because it was in a brown/dark colored bottle which in the view of the pastor was too close to the appearance of drinking beer. :skep: No judgement forthcoming from this congregation I'm sure.

Cheers!

closetbourbonlvr
12-22-2007, 11:35
Welcome from another new guy from Ky. Your brief take on alcohol v. religion seems well thought out and logical and I couldn't agree more. Man's traditions and interpretation of the Bible leads us into more disagreements regarding very superficial things. As a teen I brought a bottle of IBC root beer to a youth lunch get together at the church and was mildly chastised because it was in a brown/dark colored bottle which in the view of the pastor was too close to the appearance of drinking beer. :skep: No judgement forthcoming from this congregation I'm sure.

Cheers!

I have thought long and hard about it. There is simply no prohibition. There is a part in Proverbs 31 where it states that kings should not be taken to wine or beer or women b/c they might be tempted to forget their duties of ruling and the people suffer. That certainly could apply to any of us. Don't neglect your duties for these things. But that again falls in the realm of drunkenness. I am sure that right would be debated on here but Im against it. At least perpetual drunkenness ruins lives.

But thanks for the comments.