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dave ziegler
02-05-2008, 18:21
Looking at Pictures taken by someone else and an old Broshure with an aerial Picutre of the Plant I saw something that I never noticed when I worked at Kinsey! Building Q had a fire Observation Room on top of its Fire Escape. I had when I worked the yard gang helped to sweep the stairs down on many of them as dead birds and dust the stairways were only entered by the ground door the roof door or the special door on each floor that went out to a small porch and you would open a door into the tower to get out. bottom floor you could not go in them. They were also Explosion proof and each one like the next except for Building Q which had a room with windows that would open and 3 directions around the Plant and a small tower atop the room. I am going to check this as soon as I can and get some better Pictures and information. This does not surprise me as they even had Fire Hydrants in the woods around the plant!
I will tell more after I get a chance to check it out! Every one of the 1892 Wood and Brick Warehouses was sprinkled and had some Heat and they had fire drills once a month near them. I have found Papers from the 1950's about each months drill. Going in Building H of the old ones I found my Dads Nick name on one of the Wood barrel Rails it said Ziggy 1952!
Dave Z

mozilla
02-11-2008, 12:16
Dave has been kind enough to share some photos from the Kinsey Plant in Limerick Pa. This first group is of the Fire Watch Tower on Building Q. It overlooked the massive complex, somewhere around 300-400 acers.

mozilla
02-11-2008, 12:22
The first five are of Building Q. Pic 5 are stallagtites forming on the ceiling. The last two are of the weigh and blending room near the steer pins at the back of the property.

mozilla
02-11-2008, 12:28
The first two pics are of Building J. Three is a 120 gallon corn whiskey barrel. Four...what is left of one of the steer pins. Five is what remains of the old pump house. Six...the plant was so concerned with safety that it placed fire hydrents, a hundred yards away from the distillieries, in the woods.

mozilla
02-11-2008, 12:32
These are the last four I have at hand....1. Tele poles leading back to the Kinsey House. 2.&3. The Kinsey House. 4. A case of Embassy Club whiskey restored by Dave Z.

mozilla
02-11-2008, 12:58
Maybe Dave could fill us in on the details and specifics?

dave ziegler
02-11-2008, 16:49
I am very Happy to share these Pictures I took this Past Sat and will send more to Jeff to put on soon my computor at home has trouble sizing right so I sent these by way of my work computor to Jeff and he was Kind enough to post them for me! I have Many neat pictures through the years and will be sending ones of the Still, mash tanks which I got from someone who got there before they were tore down and some pictures I took this past Thanksgiving day of the old 1892 Kinsey Bottling House. The fire tower was built on top of the fire escape on Building Q it is the only escape with this, and most amazing in design. It had heating pipes which you can see on the Pictures have little fins to give off heat. On top of the room is another higher small room with two windows also heated. It looks out over the whole plant and this building sits on the highest point of the plant!
I took pictures from the roof even though a few years ago Kids must have set fire to some old Corn whiskey barrels on the third floor and the hole in the wall was done by the fire company. After all these years the building is still solid and no parts of the wall have fallen I walked right up to the hole in the wall. The Stalagtites are on the third floor because of the water laying in there from years ago when they put the fire out. The fire watch room has has a small wood table where they kept their Binoculars and stuff. The Heat Valve still turns. It must have gotten so hot up there from the fire the glass in the windows melted onto the sill and the frame buckled but the building is still solid.
The Pad pictue and wall are the steer pens of which Kinsey had 10 going down to the Kinsey house. The 120 Gal Corn Whisky barrels are on the second floor of Q Building and dated 1962. The cases of empty bottles are in Building J. Old Hickory Inver Inver House Red Plaid and others sat there for close to 30 years never labeled or filled. The Embassy club box is one of only two that at one time had whiskey in them they were smashed and Broken this one I got for my friend who goes with me as not a place to go by yourself. I restored it and sealed it in Plastic I learned how to do that stuff as a kid working in a old Car museum and now apply it to old Distillery stuff! The weigh building #38 on my Kinsey chart aireal Picture is a blend tank and weigh station at the back of the Plant just before the place the steer Pens were. Two years ago the Phone and Electric wires were still on the poles all the way down to the Kinsey house at the river. One of the Fire Hydrents is over a mile away from the front of the plant out in the woods! They had many Fire Hydrents in the woods all around the plant. In there time Kinsey was one of the safest Distillerys in the world and no one I have ever heard of was hurt bad at Kinsey! My backup Phone is an old Rotory wall phone from Kinsey Building M which I had a friend who worked for ATT & T for 40 years put on the right wires for modern use He said it was a 1940 phone that was rebuilt in 1970 He showed me on it. When people I know call me and I see it on caller ID I answer Kinsey Distillery a Division of Continental Distilling always gets them going!
Dave

dave ziegler
02-11-2008, 18:27
The first five are of Building Q. Pic 5 are stallagtites forming on the ceiling. The last two are of the weigh and blending room near the steer pins at the back of the property.

This building #38 weigh and blending building had two large tanks inside it and had windows facing Sunrise and fornt ones sunset to help light it well, was al the way at the back of the plant. I have some pictures of the tanks in it which will be posted another time.
Dave

dave ziegler
02-12-2008, 03:05
The first five are of Building Q. Pic 5 are stallagtites forming on the ceiling. The last two are of the weigh and blending room near the steer pins at the back of the property.

Picture number two this set is standing on the roof of Building Q looking to the front of the Plant Even though the building has been on fire the roof was fine I walked half way out and I don't like height! The top is also one foot thick Explosion Proof Cement with tar and then small stones. When I started at Kinsey They were having some of the roofs fixed up, they used grain elevators to take stone uo to the top where someone with a wheel barrow would move it where needed on the roof I remember the bundels of tar being lifed up with a chain lift on the steel beams that sitck out on all the roofs! These are the strongest Buildings I have ever seen and were the strongest ones Publicker owned built in 1934 a credit to safety and engineering! Kinsey was through all the Years Publicker exsisted their Show Place even old company broshures state it is a beautiful place.
When I walked around the second floor after all these years with no whiskey anywhere you could still smell the Corn whiskey in the air!
Dave

mozilla
02-12-2008, 08:28
There are two DSP #'s for the Kinsey operation. These pic's are of DSP#10. It was used for their rye distilling, IIRC. Dave will be able to fill in the blanks.

mozilla
02-12-2008, 12:29
The 1966 Bottle House was state of the art in it's day. The largest single floor warehouse for quite some distance. The 1966 BH had had docks and rail loading accross the whole front. Dave can tell the stories since he worked there for a few years.
The first pic is a BROCHURE, very usefull for figureing out where all these builings are. Bottom right- is the 1892 complex. Warehouses D and E and the long bottle house. Just to the right of those but not too visible is the Rye still. Next to that...the white building is DSP# 12. Then as you follow around counter clockwise there are grain silos and plant maintenence.

mozilla
02-12-2008, 12:33
These are pic's of the second floor of the Bottle House. Dave can explain what a Cat and An ion machines are for.

mozilla
02-12-2008, 12:55
If you have not guessed it......this place is huge! This set deals with the front gate, a stencil used for DSP# 10 Rye, 2 of the barrel rails heading from the rye still in between 1892 warehouses D and E to the 1892 Bottling House(bottom right of brochure). Next, a very old bulb from the bottling house and last is a sign leading you to the distillery

dave ziegler
02-12-2008, 17:22
Post #10 are all pictures I took last fall of the Kinsey DSP#10 Rye building for some reason the site had two Dsp numbers #!0 for the Rye Building which is what Jacob Kinsey made alot of in the early days and DSP#12 the number of the Still that was there when I worked there and #12 used on all the buildings. They both were Continental's after 1939 when they bought Kinsey. The building goes back to the begining of the place and is really a large Barn and had large tanks. Behind the building out front were a set of Rails to roll the barrels right into the first Barrel warehouses wood & Brick with wood racks. Buildings D & E. 1892. The last Picture if you enlarge it you can clearly see Kinsey Rye in stencil and #10. such a shame the roof is gone but the old wood stair is still in good shape I am trying to get the Limerick Historic Society to ask the owner for it as would be a great thing to preserve as the very first still when Kinsey opened was number ten shown in an old picture of the place in 1892 it sat out in the open with no cover!
Continental's DSP was #1 and all the drinking Alcohol was made at DSP#1 in Phila after the mid 1950's. I do not know the exact date but when my Dad worked there in 1950 they made Old Hickory there at DSP #12.
The next pictures I sent Jeff will be of the 1892 Kinsey Bottling House which was also behind the #10 building so you could roll the barrels right up to the Bottling house! Most people have no Idea the old Bottle house is even there but I went in there a few times to do cleaning when I was on the yard gang and was amazed at watching the Liqiours being made I will talk about that with the pictures of it! They used the 1892 Kinsey Bottle house right up till 1979 for Liqiuors when they quit the Bussiness and my Bottles of Peanut Liqiuor were done in that neat old Building. I wish I could buy the Place and restore it to the days when it was the most beautiful Distillery in America! And as their old Broshure says It was a beautiful and Peaceful place with lovely Lawns and everything painted and everything kept up even if not used the Way Mr Simon Neuman wanted it!
Dave

dave ziegler
02-12-2008, 18:00
These are pic's of the second floor of the Bottle House. Dave can explain what a Cat and An ion machines are for.

Post #12 These are pictures I took last Thanksgivng of the Kinsey 1892 Bottling house which was used for Liquiors till the Place closed in 1979. The tanks Cationic which means Positive Charge and Anionic which means Negitive charge were used for the bottling of Liqiuors! The Cationic tank would put a positive Charge on the bottle and the Liquid sugar would fly to the sides of the Bottle then the Negitive would kick in as the bottle filled up it would release as the Liquior would go in till it was full and give a perfect mix of Alcohol and Sugar! The first time I went in we were cleaning and I watched for a bit it was something I have never forgotten. A wand would go in the bottle and the sugar would just fly againest the sides of the bottle then the Liquior would go in and as it did and filled the sugar would drop off and go right in the liquior for a perfect mix! The Light Bulb picture is a Light bulb I got from there it is a GE Edison style bulb and about 100 years old when I worked there many of these 150 watt oldies were still at work! The other pictures are of the second floor of the place note the Green Light cover most of these had the Edison type Bulbs in them! There is also a Picture of the delivery Door! I am very lucky to have many bottles of Peanut lolita which is a peanut Liquior they made and as far as I can find on the web they were the only company to make a Peanut Liquior. It is wonderful and made with Bourbon 53 proof I drink it with beer It will be a sad day when it is all gone It is an amazingly tasty Product.
When I went to clean the Kinsey Bottle house they were very excited as they got a large order to make Liquiors for Jacquins and as always we used are Liquior to make it!
Dave

dave ziegler
02-12-2008, 18:03
Post #12 These are pictures I took last Thanksgivng of the Kinsey 1892 Bottling house which was used for Liquiors till the Place closed in 1979. The tanks Cationic which means Positive Charge and Anionic which means Negitive charge were used for the bottling of Liqiuors! The Cationic tank would put a positive Charge on the bottle and the Liquid sugar would fly to the sides of the Bottle then the Negitive would kick in as the bottle filled up it would release as the Liquior would go in till it was full and give a perfect mix of Alcohol and Sugar! The first time I went in we were cleaning and I watched for a bit it was something I have never forgotten. A wand would go in the bottle and the sugar would just fly againest the sides of the bottle then the Liquior would go in and as it did and filled the sugar would drop off and go right in the liquior for a perfect mix! The Light Bulb picture is a Light bulb I got from there it is a GE Edison style bulb and about 100 years old when I worked there many of these 150 watt oldies were still at work! The other pictures are of the second floor of the place note the Green Light cover most of these had the Edison type Bulbs in them! There is also a Picture of the delivery Door! I am very lucky to have many bottles of Peanut lolita which is a peanut Liquior they made and as far as I can find on the web they were the only company to make a Peanut Liquior. It is wonderful and made with Bourbon 53 proof I drink it with beer It will be a sad day when it is all gone It is an amazingly tasty Product.
When I went to clean the Kinsey Bottle house they were very excited as they got a large order to make Liquiors for Jacquins and as always we used are Liquior to make it!
Dave
I see the Light bulb is in another post it is very neat and never burned out I got it from an area that had been on fire sadly!
Dave

dave ziegler
02-12-2008, 18:12
These are pic's of the second floor of the Bottle House. Dave can explain what a Cat and An ion machines are for.

Post #12 These are pictures I took last Thanksgivng of the Kinsey 1892 Bottling house which was used for Liquiors till the Place closed in 1979. The tanks Cationic which means Positive Charge and Anionic which means Negitive charge were used for the bottling of Liqiuors! The Cationic tank would put a positive Charge on the bottle and the Liquid sugar would fly to the sides of the Bottle then the Negitive would kick in as the bottle filled up it would release as the Liquior would go in till it was full and give a perfect mix of Alcohol and Sugar! The first time I went in we were cleaning and I watched for a bit it was something I have never forgotten. A wand would go in the bottle and the sugar would just fly againest the sides of the bottle then the Liquior would go in and as it did and filled the sugar would drop off and go right in the liquior for a perfect mix! The Light Bulb picture is a Light bulb I got from there it is a GE Edison style bulb and about 100 years old when I worked there many of these 150 watt oldies were still at work! The other pictures are of the second floor of the place note the Green Light cover most of these had the Edison type Bulbs in them! There is also a Picture of the delivery Door! I am very lucky to have many bottles of Peanut lolita which is a peanut Liquior they made and as far as I can find on the web they were the only company to make a Peanut Liquior. It is wonderful and made with Bourbon 53 proof I drink it with beer It will be a sad day when it is all gone It is an amazingly tasty Product.
When I went to clean the Kinsey Bottle house they were very excited as they got a large order to make Liquiors for Jacquins and as always we used are Liquior to make it!
Dave

dave ziegler
02-13-2008, 03:56
The 1966 Bottle House was state of the art in it's day. The largest single floor warehouse for quite some distance. The 1966 BH had had docks and rail loading accross the whole front. Dave can tell the stories since he worked there for a few years.
The first pic is a BROCHURE, very usefull for figureing out where all these builings are. Bottom right- is the 1892 complex. Warehouses D and E and the long bottle house. Just to the right of those but not too visible is the Rye still. Next to that...the white building is DSP# 12. Then as you follow around counter clockwise there are grain silos and plant maintenence.

Post number 11 is the 1966 Bottling House which opened in 1966 the year I started there. It was building U on the old chart before being made into a state of the art Bottling house that year. The Aerial Picture is from a old Company Broshure when they were trying to save the place by subletting some of it! I found an old Paper saying they thought they had a deal to convert some of the Warehouses to freezers for Osgar Meyer but it fell through and in Spring 1986 the place closed forever. This building is also explosion proof and goes the whole front of the plant. The big Tanks at the back brought the Product in to be bottled and there are lots of tanks inside at the far end also. I went in there one time its a mess now but at that end each line is marked what is coming in with metal wall markers they say Boubon, Whiskey, Gin, Vodka, Rum!
The Publicker sign greets you when you come in the front then the guard house and then the Gates that say Linfield Industial Park! The front of the bottling house could do two to three box cars and yet still have trucks loading and unloading to. Every year at about Aug on the Place would have box car after box car getting loaded with Liquoirs for the Holidays. Those days 600 people worked in the plant. Three sifts sometimes in the bottling and always two sifts. The company had its own railroad bridge that came in between the one old Warehouse and the still site! As Jeff has said the Picture shows the old 1892 part of the plant to the far right #12 Still, the Boiler room Maintaince for the Plant Grain silos #10 Rye Building warehouses D&E the old bottling house, and not there anymore now was a small plant office right beside the 1892 Bottle house. The Plant manager was Harold Reinert. When the bottle house was warehouse U it was the worlds largest one floor Barrel warehouse! I worked there for over 5 years and it was a great place to work.
Dave Z

mozilla
02-13-2008, 07:15
This next group is all DSP# 12. This building has been torn down for a while. 1. mashtubs 2. malt tank 3. DSP#12 4. same 5. all gone 6.&7. Boilers and Tanks 8. Controll Room 9. What remains looking toward the Grain Silos

mozilla
02-13-2008, 07:27
Here is the next group: 1-4 are of the 1892 group. Grain Silos and Plant Maintenance. 5(they had closed a bottling plant in Phili. to consolidate),6,7,8 &10 are of the 1966 Bottle House and operations vehicles. 9 is of 1892 Warehouse H. 11 & 12 are close-ups of the Silos 13-16 are of the Plant Maintenance facility.

mozilla
02-15-2008, 07:12
All right....Here is the big boy. The whole enchilada...
notice the rail road bridge crossing the river. What river was that Dave?

dave ziegler
02-15-2008, 07:26
All right....Here is the big boy. The whole enchilada...
notice the rail road bridge crossing the river. What river was that Dave?
Jeff and everyone else it is the Schuylkill River that runs from up state pa all the way to Phila. Kinsey sat on a Penisula on the river in Linfield Pa The Picture comes from a old Broshure that was titled ( The Place With Space Linfield Industrial Park 200 million Sq feet of space! the year was 1985 Spring the next year it Kinsey was abandon!
Dave Z!

dave ziegler
02-16-2008, 06:08
There are two DSP #'s for the Kinsey operation. These pic's are of DSP#10. It was used for their rye distilling, IIRC. Dave will be able to fill in the blanks.
These are Pictures of DSP #10 Kinsey Rye this is the oldest of the still buildings and was a barn with all the stuff to make Rye Whiskey if you look at my Kinsey Wooden Whiskey case you can see #10 scrached on it in Pencile of some sort. It took me a while till I noticed that on the case on the top says botteld 1909.
It was When Kinsey used the Name Angelo Myers why I have no Idea but the man who gave me the case was a geneolist and he searched for a long time and he found the name Angelo Myers Whiskey but that no person of that name exsisted at that time weird. Wish I could ask old J G himself!
Dave

Gillman
02-16-2008, 07:11
How can the tires on that pink truck still be inflated!?

One other thing I wonder is that some apparently valuable pieces of equipment (those holding tanks for example, the trucks 20 years ago) must have had some value.

When a business is liquidated, normally the equipment is sold, even for salvage it would have had value.

Why I wonder would so much of it have remained in place?

Also, who owns the site now, is it known?

Gary

Gillman
02-16-2008, 07:13
How can the tires on that pink truck still be inflated!?

One other thing I wonder is that some apparently valuable pieces of equipment (those holding tanks for example, the trucks and lift trucks 20 years ago) must have had some value.

When a business is liquidated, normally the equipment is sold, even for salvage it would have had value.

Why I wonder would so much of it have remained in place?

Also, who owns the site now, is it known?

Gary

dave ziegler
02-17-2008, 12:40
How can the tires on that pink truck still be inflated!?

One other thing I wonder is that some apparently valuable pieces of equipment (those holding tanks for example, the trucks 20 years ago) must have had some value.

When a business is liquidated, normally the equipment is sold, even for salvage it would have had value.

Why I wonder would so much of it have remained in place?

Also, who owns the site now, is it known?

Gary
Gary it is a long story but here is what Happened Publicker stopped Distilling Drinking Alcohol in 1979 they shut down Kinsey for a bit then reopened bottling Antifreeze and Industrial chemicals. then in 1982 to get some money to keep them going they sold the place to a Man named Eugene Ostreicher from New York with the agreement that they would lease the Bottling house, the tanks and a couple of the warehouses to store stuff they had not gotten rid of. Well they went for 4 more years and even were trying to become like P&G buying companys that made home cleaning products. For a bit it looked like they would make it then in 1986 people went home one Friday night came back Monday to find they were out of Bussiness. The very next day they called all the people and gave them severance pay ASAP. Then they sold their distillerys in Phila to Overland Wrecking for 3 Million dollars ground that was worth 30 Million cleaned up! They had them sign a agreement that they would by buying it at such a low price clean the place up so that Publicker could take what cash they had left and buy Brightstar Flashlight company! Overland caught the place on fire hurrying in the cleanup went into Bankrupsey and The Epa made Publicker pay for the cleanup even though they had done the right thing. Meanwhile Ostreicher just suddenly closed the place shut down the Boilers and just left it rot for all these years. If you type his name in you will find that he built a building in NY that fell down and killed someone due to shoddy work. He was charging them way more then he had promised and they just plain walked away and all these years he has left this wonderful and historic place go to Hell. Just lately the DEP had sued him for around $400,000 dollars for not taking ground samples and for letting the place go to Hell. After it was to late Publicker had wished they had not let him talk them into buying it but there was a hostil try to take over the company by some Lawyers who bought so much common stock that they finally got on the board and were the ones with the bright idea to sell Kinsey and then to quit the industry, and to sell Kinsey in that deal as he was a friend of the Lawyers one being the Late David Cohn from Phila
This is about the best I can do to explain it a very sad story Kinsey when I worked they had 600 people working there.
Dave Z

Gillman
02-17-2008, 13:51
This sounds like a complicated story and I am sure everyone involved has their view on what happened and why, anyway I was just wondering in general about it.

I enjoy your reminiscences of the days you worked there and the pictures, thanks again for those.

Gary

dave ziegler
02-17-2008, 14:15
This sounds like a complicated story and I am sure everyone involved has their view on what happened and why, anyway I was just wondering in general about it.

I enjoy your reminiscences of the days you worked there and the pictures, thanks again for those.

Gary
Gary one more thing and you right the whole thing is and was very complicated. The picture of the truck was in 2002 it is long gone now. Also Publicker sold all their trucks including the old Mack Fire truck to the junk yard in 1986 except for a couple including the old Mack B-61. The outfit that said it was going to turn the place into a Propane power Plant in 2002 never ended up buying it and just mostly took stuff for cash leaving everything in more ruin after they told people they were fixing all the buildings up. They tore the old still down just to cash in the metal around 2003 the people told the township they did not want anymore Power plants in Limerick as the Nuclear one is enough. So they took all they could and walked out.
Still it Kills me seeing the old girl in such shape and Mr Neuman would turn over in his grave if he saw it now!
BE WELL Gary
Dave Z

mozilla
02-25-2008, 13:43
These are the last of the pictures I have received from Dave. I hope non are duplicates....

dave ziegler
02-25-2008, 15:41
These are the last of the pictures I have received from Dave. I hope non are duplicates....
The pictures are as follows #1. The tree that I mulched when I was a Kid working the yard gang
#2. Warehouses they have now cut the weeds
#3. Building J Ice on it #4. 120 gal Barrel building L
#5.Dump trough that still has screens in it Building L
#6Terometer on wall of Elevator in Building L you could turn up the heat in all the buildings when you were in there.
#7. Stalagmits on the floor of Building L
#8Stalagtites on roof in building L
#9Building #38 two tanks for blending all the way at the end of the plant. Note windows on each end to bring in light at dawn and dusk!
These pictures were taken on Sat Feb 16, 2008

mozilla
03-03-2008, 13:11
These pics were taken this last weekend by Dave. These are of the upper rooms of the fire observation room.

dave ziegler
03-03-2008, 13:48
These pics were taken this last weekend by Dave. These are of the upper rooms of the fire observation room.
If you look closely there is a metal Ladder on the side of the Fire Observation room to climb up to the roof and a set of stairs that takes you into this very strange sort of Extra fire watch room, by looking at it you can see the reason for it is to have a look to the East of the plant without the roof being in your view. There is a heating Pipe like the big room and a explosion proof Light, but there is also a very large open square section where there is no floor and there must have been some kind of grating that fell apart after the heat from the fire there had been on the third flood when someone set off some barrels that still had whiskey in them. But what is really odd is besides the openable Window there is one just below it with no access and if you look over the edge you find that once the grating was gone it is a shaft straight down into a sealed Brick wall section all the way to the bottom with no access below went down and looked no windows below other then the one in the room and the one you can see looking at the big picture of the whole room setup. I was not about to get to close to that edge if you fell in there the only way out would be to knock a hole in the wall down below and the fall would kill you. Wish I knew what the rods held there must have been something strong as you stand on it to open the window and to change to light buld also. It is the Highest spot in the Plant and looking from that direction you can really see to the East where there are and were Farm fields. Maybe it was just put on to make it stonger besides giving a window to look to the East? But why a Grate with no way to replace it and no way to get into this sealed hollow shaft.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
03-05-2008, 03:10
Dave has been kind enough to share some photos from the Kinsey Plant in Limerick Pa. This first group is of the Fire Watch Tower on Building Q. It overlooked the massive complex, somewhere around 300-400 acers.
Just a quick note to Add if my old School friend since 10 years old Don did not go with me on these trips I could not get these pictures of the fire tower and others as having been so sick last year I can't go places where there would be no one to help me and he also climbed the ladder to take the pictures of the little top room on the tower this past sat the last set on this thread of it I did the rest but a ladder on the side of a roof I could not do. Dave z

mozilla
03-19-2008, 09:15
Very recent photos of the fire room and surrounding area:

mozilla
03-19-2008, 09:35
recent pic's of the Weigh and Blend Building #38:

dave ziegler
04-10-2008, 09:23
Dave has been kind enough to share some photos from the Kinsey Plant in Limerick Pa. This first group is of the Fire Watch Tower on Building Q. It overlooked the massive complex, somewhere around 300-400 acers.
Wednesday when I talked to Ludy who worked there 43 years he told me something very interesting about the Fire tower It seems they would set Labeled Bottles up there to test the labels Fading and holding up. This solved a mistery for me as when I went in it I went all the way down to the botom and saw many broken bottles there and I wondered then how they got there and why! I guess when it was abandon they sat there and Kids that got in and ruined things throw them down the steps so that is now solved!
Dave

dave ziegler
04-15-2008, 07:15
There are two DSP #'s for the Kinsey operation. These pic's are of DSP#10. It was used for their rye distilling, IIRC. Dave will be able to fill in the blanks.
Last night when I gave a talk about the Kinsey Distillery to the Limerick Historic Society a Man to whom Jacob Kinsey was his great Uncle told me about DSP# 10 the Kinsey Rye Still. He worked there and he said #10 was a Column or Contiuous still or also called a Patent Still. They also had the very First Bottling Line in the Old Kinsey #10 Barn of which the Pictures in this thread are of. If you look on the Old ladder you can see Kinsey #10 stenciled on it. This was where after Publicker Bought Kinsey that they made the First Rittenhouse Rye Whiskey and some of the Bourbons. Continental had two DSP's there #10 and the Old Number #12 I have talked about so much. It is amazing when you look at the building that DSP # 10 is in, it is basicly an old Stone Barn that Jacob Kinsey had built! He also told me that during Prohibtion Mr Kinsey Went to Germany to study Brewing as He was also interested in it. Once Prohibition ended Fall 1933 He reopened the Distillery and started making Whiskeys but the Money he lost in the time before reopening and his age late 75 going till 1939 / 1940, 82 years old forced him to have it go up for auction.
This is the story of Jacob G Kinsey Master Distiller! Also His Great nephew told me that Mr Kinsey lived to be 94 years old. So from a school teacher to a owner of a Creamery to a Master Distiller is the story of Jacob G Kinsey A Giant in the early days of Whiskey Distilling in the USA!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 07:05
Speaking of the Explosion proof warehouses each building when I started there had 999,000 barrels of aging whiskey in them 333,000 per floor and 14 million in the whole plant at that time! even the old brick and wood rack buildings were full saw stuff dated 1950, 1955 ect and such that may have been some of the stock they used later when they brought out their 20 anniversary Old Hickory Bourbon I don't know but old stuff was there! If you had ever been in the plant you would be amazed at the build of the 1944 Explosion Proof Warehouses over a foot thick walls, floors and ceilings. Special vent fans light heating to keep it just the right coolness and as I have said everything sealed lights switches Phones in certain places heavy steel roll doors. I wish someone would use them for Condos and not tear them down they were so strong they were a civil defense site in case of Atomic attack in the late 1940's 1950's. When you go in certain ones you can still smell whiskey coming out of the heavy Cement Floors. They were built of explosion proof Brick & Teracotta Cement with one inch thick heavy Rods. The one the People set fire in years and years ago was not even harmed by the fire of the old whiskey that was there, a little chipping of a few bricks that is all it would be a crime to tear them down. You could call them the Condo's at Kinsey Distillery and give each one a Whiskey name Like Old Hickory Building, Kinsey Silver warehouse Condo ect! If they would have been people of Vision those days the Township should be bought and preserved the Still buildings out front as a living history Museum and the Then the buildings could have been made into beautiful places to live in a living history setting but people do not have vision or forthought today. It is a, I want my Cash right now world! You could have kept up the Flowers and lawns and the trees and the Old Kinsey house could have been made into a Fine Resturant and served Beer and Whiskey lots of room 200 acre's I wish I would have had lots of Money I would have done as Si Neuman did go for it and worry later!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-04-2008, 10:46
I have been thinking about some of the People that worked for Kinsey and one of them Was Charlie Sipler. Charlie hung out in the old Grain building next to the old Kinsey grain Silo. In the Early Am when I came in about 7:00-AM you would hear a roar coming out of the garage door on the bottow floor. A minute or two later Charlie would roar out in his home made Buggy. It was a Ford Frame think Model T with a chair bolted on the frame open engine compartment, no fenders, stick shift and a flat bed. Charlie was our maintaince Carpenter and a very good one. I can still see him roaring out he would fly in the thing with his pipe in his mouth off he would go to wherever he was needed. He was a good old guy and I always enjoyed talking to him about the old Days at Kinsey. End of the day Charlie would head back to the old Building he was the only one to use it and go up to his shower He had set up there get cleaned up and day was over.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-11-2008, 12:08
I often think back about things at Kinsey and I am remembering break times there, things were simple back then, we had an old time Soda machine they cost about a dime and were in glass bottles. We had A treat Soda's from Allentown and they were dam good and cold! Also Cig's were about .35 a pack and we had a machine in there and also a candy and cracker machine, an old time hand wash Sink we called it a "Bird" "Bath" and some times guys would get pushed in and get wet! Alot of times we would not want in the Summer to leave the Warehouse as so cool there to ride in the heat on the back of the truck to take us there! We would either play cards or Dice then. In my mind we were better off then People today where there are lots of choices and people waste so much money on junk food and stuff they can do with out. Give me a .10 sonda 05. pack of Crackes and just relaxing. We did are jobs in a calm way then and the goal was to do the job right and not get hurt not like the presure people have today or the way people have gotten lazy not wanting to do anything. Those days you had personal responiblity. We got paid good had good insurance and liked our jobs Life was so simple! And We had Fun working!! There is something to be proud about having worked there and for the most part everyone enjoyed their jobs. And if we were poor we sure did not know it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 05:04
One of my Favorite Memories was the Smell when you walked into the Warehouse after they had been shut for a month or so the air was blue with vapors and the smell of aging whiskey intense! If you had a cold or sinus it helped opened you right up and your first time in it almost got you feeling loaded! The Vapors near the sealing were dark blue and thick, and I really liked the smell working in them. It was very cool even in the summer when it was in the 90's outside it was nice in there. They always made sure we had Thermel jackets in winter and good work boots and gloves. They if they had to would give us a paper to get shoes. They really took good care of us and if breathing the fumes was not good for us we did not know it! There was never a dull moment working in the warehouses and days went by fast and Happy. Some days we would go to two or three warehouses in a day because it would be a dump day and we would have to dump the right barrels for that days Bottling and often they were in different buildings. Those days the old 1941 Fords would be roaring back and forth taking barrels to warehouses where there were dump trouths. I in my Mind can still hear the old Ford Flat Head V8's Roaring back and forth, being double clutched and going way to fast!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-18-2008, 07:14
Another great thing working at Kinsey was the old Linfield Firehouse which offten had good food to buy for lunch things like Pierogies made by the people that went to the Catholic Church in Linfield, also Stuffed Cabbag all kinds of things Zeps also and always tickets for raffels. Right down the road on the big road was a small market and sandwich place that also took Horse Bets under the table then and we had a guy nickmaned Bookie who would go place your bets at lunch time. There were so many things going on there and it was always so quite there you could hear the many Birds singing and the breezes coming up from the river were always very nice. Such good days they were and I think fondly of them!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-19-2008, 13:52
Sometimes on a Friday we would Place Bets with Bookie and also send someone with to the Lunch place to get us Burgers, they had real good Burgers and home made. We all Played the Horses then and Mr Harring ( Bookie ) was always taking Book from Us. Some Guys Played cards at Lunch but I did not as the ones that did argued to Much about stuff. If We Worked Hard we did not mind it, we just beleived in the work Ethic and it did not bother us. It was if anything something to be proud of Working earning your Keep and working a Job you really liked. That Combo can not be beat! And they left Us alone and we worked with out having to be watched all the time which today happens all to offten. There were People from the Coal country Of pa who moved down and Irish People and we All got along and worked Hard together. I can not remember much but good days there!
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dave ziegler
07-02-2008, 10:17
When I last talked to Ludy who worked at Kinsey from 1936 till 1982 He told me that each of the 3 floors of the Explosion Proof Warehouses had 333,000 barrels of aging whiskey, or 999,000 Per Warehouse with the rest being in the old Wood Brick warehouses. It would be an amazing smell when you went into one of them after it had not been open for a month or so, sometimes almost overpowering was the smell of Whiskey. My Sinus loved it would open my nose right up. The blue vapors were all up at the sealing and you could see them dancing in the light of the sealed explosion proof Lights. After you did it a while it was a very nice smell to you and not overpowering as much as pleasant to me. When I last took a walk in there in one of the buildings that had been open I was greeted by the smell of Whiskey coming out of the cement Floors after all these 37 years and It brought back memories and It was pleasant for the couple of Minutes I was in there. I never thought for a minute back then of Kinsey being out of Bussiness. Yet this is the way things go and it is sad and typical of the times we now live in longevetty is not the thing anymore!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-09-2008, 12:14
These are the last of the pictures I have received from Dave. I hope non are duplicates....
If you look at #29 second picture Page 3 the white looking lines running through the walls of the buildings are the thickness of the roof and floors we looked hard at them the other day and they are about at least 24 inches thick or better then 2 foot that is strong!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-10-2008, 04:40
I am revisiting this thread to talk a bit about the Fire Observation room and How very well made these Explosion proof Warehouses were made in the 1940's. When I climbed up the front stairs last Fall to go across the roof to the Room to check it out I first went on all 3 floors and in going up to the third Floor I found out what had caused the fire that burned there. There were remains of many 120 Gallon Whiskey Barrels and looking you could see that the couple of years before when the fire started that Kids must have been up there and the barrles had some old Corn Whiskey in them and somehow they caught it on fire.

The fire Company in order to get to the fire knocked the hole in the wall which I showed in pictures on this thread. The walls of the Building on that floor other then where they put the hole are as strong as ever. When I continued to climb up on the roof and walk to the Fire Observation Room I found that the heat rising from the fire on the floor below was so great back then that the Glass windows had exploded out in the Observation Room and turned to Liquid and melted on the window stils. The frame work buckled.

Yet the Floor in the room held and was fine when I walked there and the roof just above the fire on the building was as strong as ever not even hurt.
These have to be some of the very best built ever Whiskey Warehouses and as I have always said our Products were always very good. Each building had vents and fans and a little heat as I have said. I would love to have seen them building these warehouses. Every floor is filled with heavy steel Rods also the walls and the many Strong Pillers.

I am going to try and research who the company was that built these amazing buildings.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-20-2008, 04:53
Here are a couple of Pictures I took on Sunday of the Fire tower, I will be posting some new Pictures from Sunday all over the Plant including the Fire house which I discovered is still there it was just so covered with growth could not see it. I also discovered that the roof of the Old Kinsey Bottling house fell down a result of the fire in it years ago so I took some pictures of it and went in the bottom floor to get some last shots while its standing I will put them all on the Memories Thread. Picture 5 is looking at the back Tank from Building Q The Fire Tower Warehouse, and 6 is looking down at the back of Building L. Also if you have not seen them I posted two Pictures of Ludy on the Memories thread on Sat holding his Stave I gave him to show his years of Service Fricky Did it up for me and I gave it to him about a week ago and his daughter took pictures of him holding it and An Areial Shot of the plant I gave him.
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dave ziegler
10-20-2008, 09:55
Here are two Pictures of the side of Building Q Fire tower building where the Fire company knocked the wall in to put a fire out yeear ago that kids started in Corn Whiskey Barrels. I forgot these this morning!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-21-2008, 10:45
Below are two more pictures of the fire system at Kinesy.
Pic 1. The Pyrotronic's comand box in the fire house I was finally able to get into through all the growth
Pic 2. Once again look at the size of the main pipes going into the oldest Warehouse in the Plant, Numbers E and this shot on the back half Warehouse D. Built in the early late 1890's / 1900's when Continental Distilling bought the plant in Spring 1941 they not only Sprinkled the New Explosion proof ware houses they also did even this Old Warehouse set. It also had explosion proof Outlets to run the small lift we used in them as no elevator in these. To go up the levels which if you look in the Memories thread you will see a couple of shots looking up from the floor 10 levels up.

You have no choice but to climb up a wood ladder all the way!
Inside the Pyrotronics box in the fire house was a system of monitor lights. I think this had in those days have to be a really Hi End Setup and it shows how Continental always thought ahead. They would once a month stage mock fire fights the local Linfield fire company would come down and they would most times do them around all the Old Buildings allot of times they would do it at Warehouse H and I have some old Fire drill papers from times they did it and once my computer is running I will post them here. If Heaven Hills had done this back in the day their old Distillery would still be there and they would not have lost near as much good Whiskey's. Continental & Mr Neuman always thought these things out and weighed toward what the safest smartest thing was to do and the option for the least loss! As long as they operated we never had any fires and we were able to safely burn out the old metal racks and every single building. No matter how old each building was they had the right extsinguisers in them. If there are any Distillerys today that do not have this protection I think it is a really bad thing. The Fire Chief was Calvin Roberts and his second in command was Stan Stafoniwitz. And their Asistant was Harry Martin. They would run the old Kinsey Mack Fire truck every week,

test all the Fire hydrants every month check all the sprinklers, each Explosion proof warehouse had an out door brick room with vavles that would direct as much water as they could into that building if needed!

And as I have posted way back we even had fire Hydrants in the woods around the Plant! Now working at a very safe plant I really see how ahead they were in their time. And Add to all that the Idea of Building the Fire tower in the fire escape in Building Q at the Highest point in the Plant were you could see everywhere even the fields in the distance, and the extra little room on top of it to give you a better view over the roof side of the building into the woods! By the way the doors to get to the escape were open when ever we went into them we opened the doors for safety and locked them when we closed up to contain a fire if one would start when no one was there! Also even the Elevators had heavy down weighted Fire doors to contain a fire and going out the front first floor two doors one out of the floor and then the door out! Even the roll doors were extra heavy Steel. and when I was in the New Bottling House I happened to see something in one of My pictures that our Safety Expert here where I work Now Randy K showed me when he looked at the pictures printed out, there was a series of emergency low power Battery Lights placed throughout the 1966 bottle house in case of a fire emergency or explosion. He showed me on one of my Pitch black shots a light up on the roof placed to lite an escape. He told me in those days 99% of companys would never have spent for or had that technoligy but Publicker did. Also the work safe signs were unheard of as companies did not want to spend the money. He said to me That must have been a really safe place to work! And when I showed him the Fire proof Phone box in the tank section of the Plant He said they were really with safety there. Safety is his main job here where I work and Fire safety is his biggest thing so for Randy K to be impressed really makes my points!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-21-2008, 13:45
Here is a picture of the large work safe sign in the 1966 Bottling House and a picture of the Emergencey Batt & Low Electric Powered Light if you look at the top right you will see it on the wall set to light the area in case of trouble!
This one was way ahead of its time so tells me our Safety Man Randy K!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-23-2008, 05:10
Last night I talked to Ludy I went to see him to give him a laminated copy of the Picture I took of His name on the Mantaince Barn Wall. While I was there I told him about me having the Title to the Old Mack Fire Engine that Continental Had. I remembered it being really Old and It did not have a cab it was open. I asked him who bought the Mack and he said it was from the Mid 1930's and That Jacob G Kinsy Bought it new and when Continental Bought Kinsey They did alot of Upgrades to it and It was the Only Fire Engine They ever Had! I remember it was very Long and had a giant Steering Wheel and Cal Roberts And Harry Martin would drive through the Plant every Week in it no Matter How cold there they were sitting on the big Bench seat out in the open. It was loud and you could hear it coming easy, It had a giant Six under the Hood from what I remember and was bright Red as it should be.
Ludy also said they would back it part way through the wall into the #10 Barn after they Quit Bottling there right bedside where the #10 Tanks were to keep it out of Bad weather.

Sometimes They would blow the siren for fun when we saw them as they were both very Nice Man and they knew the bussiness of watching and protecting from fires very Well. Somtimes Stan Stofoniwtiz would stand n the back too! It would have been them that went up the Fire tower every so offten to look in all directions and they were always checking the Hydrents and when we were burning out the racks one of them would always be there with an exstingueser ready for trouble.
Dave Z
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fricky
10-23-2008, 06:03
Dave,
Can you describe the process of "burning out the racks"?
Thanks,
Doug

dave ziegler
10-23-2008, 10:13
Hi Fricky When I started there all 14 of the 15 Expolsion proof Warehouses had The Haeviest Steel Barrel racks I have ever seen all built in the 1940's made to be indestructable and able to hold 333,000 Barrles per floor! The Company Hired Pearsol Pine enginering company out of Oaks Pa to cut the racks down. To cut them you had to remove all the Steel Rails in them first. To remove them they had such Heavy Welds that Pearsol Pine Had to bring in a Special Welding Rod Cutter to cut the Welds. Then They had regular Cutting torches to cut the rest of the racks in sections. They had it all engineried so that each section would come down the same in Bulk heads. Harry and some times Cal or Stan would always be there on watch as the Cement Floors even though no barrels right there were soaked with years of Leaking whiskey and the upper floor still had racks full till they got to them.

We did the second & Third floors last as the racks had to be lowered by A hand chain crane off of a steel beam on the roof from the second & Third floor roll doors and then loaded. It was the yard Gangs job when this was going on to Load them and take them on a wagon pulled by an old Ford 8'N tractor down to the steer pens where they were put inside out of the weather as the Pens had great roofs on them back then. The first floors we would take them right out the back Dock Roll door as you did not have a door way and could carry them right to the Wagon backed in to the Dock. The front dock was a little harder you had to walk around the Elevator but depending where we were on the floor we took them out through the front dock Roll door if we were at the front of the warehouse.


I worked there 5 1/2 yrs + and they started this in my second year and they were still doing it when I left and having been in all the 14 warehouses Since, they finished the Job before they quit the bussiness! I am sure they were not happy with the results as the Giant Barrels leaked plenty. They leaked through the Heads as they sat upright.

If you Look at some of my Pictures of the Warehouses on the one side always the right side in most cases facing the buildings front Dock they have a chain & Tackle Beam on the roofs to use a hoist to take things up or down. Every thing that was needed up there like the first floors had to be put up outside through the Big doors on each of the upper floors. On most of the warehouses the beam is still sticking out to put the chain and tackle on! This was because the Elevators in the Buildings Had cradles only to roll 48 & 50 Gal barrels on or smaller. There was no other way to get big things up stiars unless it was something small and light you could carry up the flights of Stairs.

Taking the racks out was hard work as we took them in Bulkhead sections and it took 4 People one on each corner to get them out to the Wagon then we had to unload them at the steer Pens and put them under cover Continental never through things away as offten they would find other uses for things!. We would stand them in rows under cover leaning back till the Pen was full. If you have any more questions please ask as thinking back on things I think of other stuff sometimes.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-27-2008, 10:46
The year was Jan 21 1985 and Publicker had been doing Antifreeze and Household Cleaners since 1980 at Linfield at the 1966 Bottling house and at the Old Bigler Street Bottle House In Phila. It was Publickers Idea and committment to take on the Huge household Cleaner industry. They picked the Gleckler Spiegel Advertising Company to to Help They planed on spending 4 million a year which at that time was nothing for P&G to spend but alot for Publicker.

They were full tilt down in Phila producing Products but something went very wrong and by Early 1986 They closed and sold their Plant in phila dropped the lease they had at Kinsey which they had sold in 1980 and had leased the Bottling and some warehouses and all the tankage till early 1986. What went wrong alot of things One selling Kinsey was a mistake as leasing cost them way to much from the man who bought the Place and now has left in Ruin all these years.Two the timing was to late to get into the Cleaners Industry and when it was too late they could not go back to making drinking Alcohol and were not generating enough money from Industrial Alcohol by then.

I truely think that if Mr Neuman had not died they never would have gone that route or if they had it would have been while still making the Products to Drink we were famous for Distillling In Phila and Bottling in Linfield Pa.

A sad day and a sad end for the Worlds Largest Maker of Drinking & Industrial Alcohols.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-03-2008, 07:45
Walking around the Plant yesterday taking the Pictures of the Plant I posted on my other thread I was amazed at all the wild Life I saw Birds of every Kind, Deer, a Red Fox ran away when I went to go in the #10 Rye Building. Kinsey is just like it was way back when I worked there as far as Wild Life and good fresh air from the river below. Back then everything was so well kept that it really breaks my Heart to see Buildings falling down and the Big Hole in the Fire Tower Building Q and Our Lunch room destroyed by Kids! And My Old Dsp-Pa. - #12 Gone forever!

I go as offten as I can and just like the 43 Pictures I posted late Last night on page 23 of the other thread I will keep crawling and looking for good shots so that everyone can get a feel for how the place was way back then.

It is easy to see Why Si Neuman Loved the place it just has a way about it and when the lawns were perfect and Flower beds and the Buildings all looking good there was No Better Place to work. 600 people worked there when I did and of the One's still living I have talked to everyone of them has said it was the most wonderful place they ever worked.

There is a magic about the Kinsey Distillery and I am trying to preserve it for History and will keep at it!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-10-2008, 10:14
Here are some shots back 3/4 the way toward the Steer Pens of the warehouses and tankage and the Fire Observation Tower Plus inside Warehouse T Building of Bottles sitting and rotting and the Barrel Elevator and its switches.
Pic 1. Thru 8 The Fire observation tower It is weird in that the top building on it so you could see across the Roof has a window that way and heat but must have had a grating for floor and if you at picture 8 of the far side of the tower you can see it is sealed well where that grating was to look out that window is a shaft that goes to the bottom of the tower and no way in or out of it! WQhen I took the Pictures up in it my Buddy Don went up the ladder on the side and looked in and took the opictures showing heat and the window and a big hole where the grating used to be!
Pic 9 & 10 Looking Toward the steer Pens out back from the Tower on the ground.
Last Pic #20 The Back water tower Note what was a sight Gauge on the side of the tank to make sure it is full enough water from the Pump House I took pictures of on the Memories thread would have traveled on poured cement Posts in large Pipes to this tower. This summer they cut all the pipes out. I will post a picture of where the pipes used to travel on the Memories thread later.
Pic 11. Scale and weigh house
Pic 12. Warehouse T
Pic 13. thru 17 inside warehouse T cases of empty bottles never used The Barrel Elevator and its explosion proof Switch
Pic 18 & 19. The Scale House again it is arcoss from Warehouse #38 the only Warehouse with a number instead of Letter it had a big Dump trough in it and whiskey could go striaght to the Scale weigh house. There was also a rail track to right behind the scale building to tranfer Whiskey from a tanker, all this at the very back of the plant. Whiskey traveled from almost every part of the plant to the Bottling house those days!
Pic 20. The Two big storage tanks going back toward the front of the plant.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 06:37
Here are some more Plant Pictures walking toward the front of the Plant!
1.& 2. Warehouse H last of the Old Warehouses build by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936
3. Warehouse G & F right behind H Ludy Told Me that Warehouses G,F, D,E all had Freight elevators and I thought I remembered that but wanted to make sure I was right. The first two ever built A & B built in 1892 which I will post some pictures of in the Memories,


Thread Had what Ludy Called a special Hoist to bring the Barrels down from the top level to the Bottom it
was a Y shaped Chain one Hook went on the Eletric Motor on the roof inside and the other end had 2 special Hooks you caught on each side of the Head and then you pulled the Chain and lowered the Full barrel or took a full barrel up. I asked him how many crashed back then He said none He could ever remember back in the 30's 40's and 50's. They did not use those two warehouses any more in the 1970's as to dangerous to be lowering Barrels that way I guess!


4. & 5. Old Piles of barrel Staves sitting next to Warehouse H
6. & 7. Warehouse H note on the Last Picture close up that is the only Dock the Building has and that is the only Way in and Out of it by the big heavy Metal Door. It was in this Building That I found all the Fire Drill papers from the once a month Drills I have them from the 1950's I will post a couple some time The Fire House was built right next to these three Warehouses.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-16-2008, 09:55
Here are some more Shots taken last Sunday walking back from the Fire Inlet pump Building I found.

1. Stair case in Scale and weigh building across from Warehouse #38 at the far back of the plant
2. Different Type of Explosion Proof Switch in Scale Building
3. Back side of Scale Building
4. Another shot of Scale Building
5. Old Posts from When Jacob G Kinsey Had wooden Rails in these Posts there is a famous Post card for Angelo Myers / Kinsey with this fence line
6. Looking back down at the front ward section of the Plant from the Road to the Steer Pen area
7. One of two Tanks in Scale and Weigh House
8. Capacity Plates on both tanks in scale & Weigh House
9. Looking up at paltform above the Tanks in scale house
10.Back water tank note sight gauge hanging down the side
11. The old Light hood from Dickies Shop I brought it home it was the only Light in there!
12.Large Tanks looking from the back and the Fir tree I used to mulch when I worked in the Yard Gang.
I always love trying to get as many shots of things there in different -angles to give you all an Idea of How the place looked when it operated
it is such a big Place I aways seem to find things I do not remember or things I did not remember and want everyone to see!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-20-2008, 07:12
In talking to People Engineers ect where I work now They have made it clear to me that Kinsey Distillery from all I told them was the Most Safe from fire Distillery in the world at the time the New Bottling House opened in Fall 1965! The fire expert here at work was amazed that they even had explosion proof Phone's for emergencys in parts of the Plant and New Bottling house. They Had every Possiblle angle covered back then, and that is why we never had any Fires of any type while Publicker owned the Plant. Hydrants were tested on a weekly basis and opened up.

They had Monthly Fire drills with the Local Fire dept and whenever there was any burning there were fire watchers. Add to that the Fire tower and the big pump house down in the woods and the Hydrants all through the woods and it was amazing the thought that went into it all! It is sad that Heaven Hills did not have these things and their Old Distillery would still be there or least more of it. If they would have put in Sprinklers in those old wooden Warehouses as Publicker did back in the early 1940's.

When I worked there we never even thought about a fire because we were so positive that it could be controled and handled if it ever happened.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-23-2008, 16:47
I got back to Kinsey today even though it was very cold out. I got about 110 pictures which I am going to post this week on this thread and the other two. I got some great shots of the Grain building and the old steel worm that took the grain to the still with my new camera, Also I found a large sign to heavy to carry but I turned it over and got a picture it says Kinsey Distilling Corp Distillery #10 Pa I will post it on the Memories thread tomorrow. I have some great shots of Old Abandon Cases of Bottles in Building J and some great shots to post of the Fire pile in building L where at one time there were thousands on bottles of Liqour Abandon but kids set it afire and it all burned up leaving a pile of burnt Bottles. This must have happened years before I got back as there is no smell of fire just the burnt stuff and marks on the wall and the building is fine it most have burned itself out all those years ago. I will post stuff starting tomorrow.

Also some great shots in the 1966 Bottling house and some greatt shots of Singer Bottling Machines!
Dave Z
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Jono
11-23-2008, 17:53
Dave, I would check every boxed case of whiskey bottles..just to be sure you did not stumble on a motherload of product !!!! I bet when you first saw those pallets your heart jumped!

P.S. do you see other people there? Are there any security walk throughs? What does the local government do with it.....is it condemned property? I can't believe it can sit there....for years...without some kind of government action.

dave ziegler
11-24-2008, 03:51
Jono it has been sitting this way since 1986 when the guy that bought it from Continental leased it to them for bottling Antifreeze and other Industrial stuff! When they gave up partly because he jumped the price up on the lease and because they had made a bad error in selling it and quiting the Whiskey Distilling business.

The guy just shut everything off and abandoned it but must still pay taxes! Those Cases are empty never filled.

I will post some whiskey burned up pictures in Building L here at the end .
Picture 1. a letter talking about something I have talked about a few times here the giant Wooden Barrels that Continental used for a while as a experiment it states they were 337 gal barrels of whiskey.

Here are pictures of Building J inside piles and piles of cased bottles that were never filled!
Pictures 2 tru 10 then pict 11 an old fork lift then pict 12 another case shot.
I found the name of an old Friend written on the elevator Bill Walters I bought my First Pickup truck off of Bill when I worked there a 1941 Chevy with a Caddy Steering wheel!
Next pict is the Barrel Elevator in Building J
then I stood on the fire escape Plaform and took a picture out at the other building backs.

The last pictures are in Building L which was where they stored whiskey that they did not sell when they went to Antifreeze Bottling! These Piles at one time must have been up to the sealing but long before i got there Kids had set all the full bottles on fire. Nothing left but piles of Burned Liquors and Wine and whiskey. It must have happened many years before I got there as even 2 yrs ago there was no smell of smoke. Boy it sure would have been nice to have got some of that stuff before that happened and it must have just burned itself out and never did anything to really hurt the building.
Last pict is of Electric Switches in the building.

This new camera of mine is amazing it how good these pictures taken in total darkness turn out!
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dave ziegler
11-24-2008, 04:57
Just a quick note Pic 16 is of the second floor or Building J nothing up there as no way to put anything up there except through the big roll doors on the wall by hoist or Fork lift! Pict 1.The Letter is dated 1975 From what I know they had some Whiskkeys that were not what they wanted them to be so they were asking permission to fill 2 of their Large 337 Wine Gal Barrels with the stuff for an experiment. They had started the Big Barrel Thing in 1968 as I remember well.

I have Wondered did any other Companys try Large Whiskey Barrels like that, as the 337 Gal ones were the ones I talked about before and how we stacked them and how dam hard they were for us to move on the piles which up if I remember right were 3 high!
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dave ziegler
11-26-2008, 05:04
Picture 11 shows the type of Fork lift I was talking about on the Memories thread with those outriggers with little wheels they were hell to unload into the Warehouses. Since I have a long weekend off till tuesday I am going to dig out my Papers from the Fire Drills they had in the 1950's & 60's at Warehouse H and scan them and some other paper work and post them on my different threads.

Just think how weighted down the old 1941 Ford Flat trucks were bringing a Fork lift like the one on the page before over to the Warehouse dock from the Bottling house and then trying to get it off with out catching the Outrigger wheels in the front it was very interesting whenever it happen and when it did the lift would stay there a long time!

The Fork trucks for battery power sure did have guts and lifted whatever we needed, including the 337 Gal Experimental Whiskey Barrels onto the piles.
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dave ziegler
12-27-2008, 17:34
Here are a couple of Shots I took of the Fire pumping station going down toward the River I revisited it on Friday walking around. The Building Looks like a bunker and there is no gate door into it. I climbed over the wall but both times I checked this place out I see no way but climbing in over the wall my guess is where the hole in the fence is where there was a small door at one time to climb in.

The Old Engine looks like its ready to run and sits waiting to run but will never again. When I worked here I do not remember this pump to the river I think it was built later and since there are no tanks in the fenced in cement Pad which is giant I figure that was going to be the next step and never got done becuase they closed. I have a paper I found that talks about this set up and I am going to read it and maybe post it one of these days!
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dave ziegler
01-20-2009, 05:05
There is one thing I will never understand and that is why didn't HH put sprinker systems in their warehouses years before the fire there? Think of how much less the lose would have been as sprinklers would have added water to the fire and most likely it would not have spread down the hill like it did and burned everything.

When Publicker bought Kinsey in 1940 they sprinkled everything even the old 1892 Warehouses A & B built by Jacob Kinsey every Building had sprinklers and and large Mains to bring plenty of water to fight fires and even a few years before they closed they added the Fire pumping station pictured before this page.

It was expensive when they did it but the fact that there was never Any Fire at Kinsey or even almost shows how smart a move it was and to think all that Good Whiskey burned up at HH is a sad thing. Continental was way ahead on things in those days and I can remember other Distillers coming to visit and look the Plant over for that reason.
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mozilla
01-20-2009, 07:10
Dave,
how do we know for sure that HH was not up to date on sprinklers?
I seem to remember that the fire started in a warehouse and the burning whisky ran downhill catching other buildings and the creek on fire. If the rest of the fires, other than the originating fire, were started on the outside of the buildings...then not much a sprinkler inside the building will do for it.

dave ziegler
01-20-2009, 07:31
From what I read in the News papers they had No sprinker systems at all in the warehouses and that is why it went so out of control as they all caught and the Whiskey as the Paper stated ran down the hill catching everything on fire.
That is where I based my writting if they did have them then the system just failed but from all I read on line in papers that was the route cause for so much damage. Here at work we do what we call route causes when we investigate accidents!
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mozilla
01-20-2009, 07:59
Tough situation for HH, I am sure. It does seem odd that a distillery wouldn't have some sort of fire suppression system?

dave ziegler
02-23-2009, 06:11
Not being from Ky I do not know but I would think that most if not all of the Distillerys there back in the Kinsey days would have had their own fire truck and fire dept. I when I was walking in Kinsey Saturday I was amazed at all the old Fire Extingusters there are still around the Plant.

There are dozens and dozens of them all types and alot of times the Kids bring them out and set them on the road in the Plant for fun I guess.

Remebering back when we cut the racks that was a time where we really had to be on Fire watch! Every one of the buildings had whiskey that had soaked in the cement floors through the years and The Fire Chief Calvin Roberts and Harry Martin his asst Chief would stand at the ready as Pearsol Pine Contractors cut the racks up and we in the yard gang removed and hauled them down to the Steer Pens to store them.

Thankfully the company kept everything in hand and there were NO Fires and all the racks were removed, which in many ways led to the ruin of the Plant as the stacking of Barrels just was not as good as racking them and the leaking was really Bad. Also it made the 2nd and 3rd floors really harder as you had to send up all the 50 / 48 gal barrels in the barrel elevator then stack them which took longer then just racking them up there.
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dave ziegler
03-22-2009, 07:07
The One day about a yr 1/2 ago I was able to get inside Old Warehouse H and save many old Fire drill papers from in there these are from May and June of 1956.
Here are the two pictures of the Fire drill Paper work from 1956 Warehouse H was the last one built by Mr Kinsey
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dave ziegler
03-24-2009, 03:33
On Sunday while I could still get into it I took these two pictures of the Old Fire safety control center at the front of the Plant. Cal Roberts Chief and Harry Martin his second in command hung out in this little room with the Pumps and pyrotronics box. It was heated and their Lockers were in there.
It was built against the Blue water tank which is part of one of the walls.
As it says in the papers for the fire drills they would bring the truck out and do fire drills every month no matter how cold it was out.

When we were working once a week Cal would take the fire truck for a run through the plant and he would run the siren!

The truck had no cab was open air and was totally updated with the latest equipment after Publicker bought the plant. It had been bought by Mr Kinsey New.
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dave ziegler
04-22-2009, 07:17
For me the Biggest tribute to Publicker Industries is and was the fact that in all the Years they operated Kinsey they Never had one fire or explosion or anyone Hurt. And that every month they did their fire fighting drills every week opened and tested all the Hydrants in the Plant and the woods, and bells on alarms and always made sure there was plenty of water Power for fire fighting on hand.

And looking back at my Pictures of Warehouse Q's Fire Safety Room high above the Plant at the Plants High point built on that warehouse when it was built for safety sake, even when they were building the explosion proof warehouses back in the early 1940's they were thinking very Smartly in thinking to put that on that Warehouse at the Plants High ground point! And the extra room on top of it to see across the Roof toward the Fields and woods for fire watch.

Also the fact that they comitted to safety as soon as they bought Kinsey by putting Sprinklers in every single one of the Old Warehouses, even the 1892 Warehouse A & B and other old Buildings. They upgraded Mr Kinseys Fire truck year after year to modern standards and kept Power in every Building and kept them Clean.

When I worked there I was never ever Afraid of any kind of Explosion and Looking back now it was a place where that could well of Happen but it did not because of the Company caring and doing what was right.

We had safe working days every day. I was and always will be very Proud I worked there and regret that I left, what a mistake and remember those I worked with Fondly!
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dave ziegler
04-26-2009, 15:05
Well I went to Kinsey this morning at 8:30 AM till 12:00 noon. And I discovered the young people that go there to break in had every one of the warehouses broken open so when I left I called my friends to let them know!

And while I was there got some good shots including revisiting the Fire Observation Tower! Here are some new for 2009 shots of it and shots from the roof.
Here are some picutres of the Tower from the roof, the room the Heating Element on the walls and a couple of Shots through the window and from the roof this is the High point of the Plant.


I am in awe of the forthought in building this different fire escape then the rest of the warehouses on the building on the high point of the Plant back in the early 1940's!

Q Building is the only one with this special tower and room and till the grating fell down in the hollow tunnel on the back side of the tower you could climb up the side ladder then go up the ladder on the top room and see across the roof side of the building to the woods to look for fire and smoke. You would never want to go in now as it would be trip falling all the way down to a sealed room. I think what happen was the grating melted when the people set fire to the Corn Whiskey barrels on the 3rd floor. And it fell down in the sealed tower at the back.

Also the windows in the room melted from the heat and liquid glass ran down the window sills. The window frames buckled there was a time when bottles with labels were put up there in the sun to test how they would hold up. But what a testamony to how well the Buildings were built even after the fire and the hole the fire company knocked in the wall Warehouse Q is still stable and safe, I know I was on the roof this morning taking these Pictures!
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dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 07:11
Two weeks ago when I went to Kinsey and posted the pictures above of the Fire Watch tower one of the things that really impressed me was How dam strong these Buildings are.

If you look back in my pictures of last year you can see the big hole punched in the side by the fire company many years ago to put out a fire in a bunch of old Corn whiskey barrels that had a little in them on the third floor.

I went up on the roof and found that no matter where I looked the building had not gotten any worse even though many yrs before I went back there this big hole was knocked in its third floor wall to put out a big fire that was so hot it melted the Glass windows to moulten liquid in the tower room.

I was also impressed by the fact that they even had heating elements in the tower and the little room above it, of the metal fin type.
To do that they had to run heat pipes up all the way to and through the roof and they did.

These warehouses were in their time the highest of High tech and it must have been a joy watching them being built by Continental Distilling and they are a tribute to Macuskie builders and kelly Brick for their brick work.

I hope to see Industrial pictures of them going up when I meet my friend from the company soon I hope.

The steel rods are about 1 inch thick and run two ways every foot. The fllors and walls are all two foot thick and they are amazing in their build and in the Electrical setups they had for the 1940's.

I would bet that Old Jake Kinsey came and watched some of it once Continental started building them. As only 4 1/2 yrs before 1936 he had finished his last wood and brick warehouse H in the historic Pictures I posted last yr from Ludy. What a difference in buildings in so short a time.

Those must have been some exciting days and I wish I could have seen them doing it. Those were days when people needed Hope as WWII was coming on Quickly
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dave ziegler
05-30-2009, 04:56
After walking around the open buildings and taking pictures on the third floor of Q building I went up on the roof again to get a couple of shots from the roof and of the Fire watch room and the room at the stair well that goes to the roof.

Q Building sits at the High point of the plant so when they built it that is why they chose Q Building to put this room on



Here they are
1. Back water tank tower from Q Building roof
2. Shot from roof looking back at tops of some of the warehouses
3. Fire watch tower room from roof
4. Another shot of the fire watch rooms
5. Shot from roof of big black storage tank on O Building roof from Q roof
6. Top of front stairwell to roof note square hole in wall there is a air intake fan there and also open window to let air in.

After all that has happen to this building it remains strong and steady it is such a shame that it has been left at the mercy of Young people who think its fun to ruin things breaks my heart.
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dave ziegler
07-02-2009, 07:16
One of the Things that I never worried about working in the Plant was safety. Things just seemed so well watched over with the Fire drills and all the extra well made Explosion Proof fixtures that I don't remember even thinking of anything Happening.

And in all its years of operation There was never any fires of deaths in the Plant and few if any injuries. In 94 yrs operating Kinsey not Only was Beautiful but well protected.

The only time we even thought about fire was when Cal Roberts Plant fire Chief would take the fire truck out with Harry Martin Asst Chief and drive around the plant sounding the siren for fun!

The design of the Explosion Proof Warehouses had the little porchs reached through a door on the wall as the escape you would step out on the porch and in a door on the fire escape the stair well was doubled walled and so the only way in was through the porch separating it from any explosion area a very good design indeed.

I have added a Picture of the Porches as they were made going from the Warehouse to the Fire escape.

The first floor you would go out the Back ground floor door so there was no conection to let fire in the stair well from the warehouse it would have had to travel on the little Porch and that was very unlikely. You could get into the fire escape stairwell from a door on the roof or the ground escape door at the bottom.

Going back and looking around at the Hundreds of Fire Hydrents in the plant and the woods down back the large pump room down there and the one out front and the water towers and special fire fighting blue water tank near all the Old Wood and brick Warehouses and Still Continental did things very right including putting Sprinklers in every single Building no matter how old and keeping them working even when as the example of the DSP-Pa. 12 still not being used anymore.

Safety was always a way of Life at Kinsey and I am very Proud to have worked there.
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dave ziegler
07-20-2009, 18:28
Tonight I am wondering what the Fire prevention setups were for other Distillerys. Fire Prevention was always a top priority for The Kinsey Distillery and there was never a Fire there or even close to one. Publicker Had a bad fire in Phila in 1957 and after that they really went all out to make sure for the rest of the years they were in bussiness to never let that happen again!

I never in all the years I worked there even thought of it Happening, none of us did because we, One had a Practis fire drill every month and two we were told all the time to be careful to not let that happen.

The Kinsey Distillery was one of the safest Distillery's to ever operate and I am very proud to have worked there through many safe years!

I will always remember watching Cal Roberts and Harry Martin ride around in the Old Kinsey Fire truck blowing the siran and also every month checking all the Hydrants to make sure they were working.
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Josh
07-24-2009, 12:53
Tonight I am wondering what the Fire prevention setups were for other Distillerys. Fire Prevention was always a top priority for The Kinsey Distillery and there was never a Fire there or even close to one. Publicker Had a bad fire in Phila in 1957 and after that they really went all out to make sure for the rest of the years they were in bussiness to never let that happen again!

I remember seeing an old firetruck on the grounds of the part of Beam Clermont that is open to the public. It's a really nice looking old truck, maybe from the 1940's? I'm not sure. Not too good with cars. I'm sure they must have had more than one back then and many more now. As huge as those Beam facilities are, it's hard to imagine they don't have their own fire dept.

I seem to recall seeing and hearing about the fire supression systems at BT when I took the hardhat tour, but I don't remember the details.

dave ziegler
08-25-2009, 06:48
Josh the Old Fire truck we had at Kinsey was a Mack from the mid 1930's and when Continental Distilling bought the Plant they had it upgraded as far as fire fighting equipment almost every year. It was of the type that had no roof on the cab and we always got a big kick watching Cal Roberts the fire chief and Harry Martin his asistant riding around sounding the very load Siren as they drove through once a week.

Even though it was very old it was in perfect shape and ran great!

As I have stated many times we had monthy Fire drills and most times they were in the area where at the Old Buildings and warehouses were.

I have the original title for truck in my Collection of Kinsey Things it was Junked after they went out of Bussiness.
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dave ziegler
09-13-2009, 12:31
Today I parked at my Friends house across from the Plant and got some different Pictures of most area's. I climbed up the front stair well in warehouse N as it was open and went up on the roof to take some Pictures one of which is the Kinsey Fire Obeservation Room sitting atop the fire Escape. Warehouse Q sits at the highest point in the Plant and gave you a view of the whole area to look for fire or other dangerous things.
Pictures are
1. Looking from the Roof of Warehouse N at the Kinsey Fire Observation tower on top of Q warehouse Fire escape. This Warehouse sat on thehighest point in the Plant.
2. Looking toward the front of the Plant from the roof of Warehouse N
3. Large amount of water on the roof of Warehouse N looking across to the tops of the two 1/2 million gal Whiskey storage tanks that stand 44 feet high mid point of the plant.

As I have said many times Kinsey was one of the safest Warehousing and Distilling / Bottling Plants in the world back in the days I worked there.
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dave ziegler
09-29-2009, 12:22
Since I posted all my shots from Sunday I thought I would also post a couple of Shots of the outside and inside of the Fire Oberservation Tower on Explosion proof Warehouse Q its fire escape is one of a kind with the special room on top. And this warehouse sits at the High Point of the Plant. One of my Favorite things when this building is open is to climb to the top of the front stair well and walk across the roof to the Fire tower Room and look at all area's of the plant.

Sadly Someone years ago started a fire in the corn Whiskey barrels on the 3rd floor and the fire company in order to put it out knocked a big hole in the wall on th plant front side wall. However even with the fire and the hole in its wall Warehouse Q remains strong and safe! So here are 6 pictures from last winter I never posted of the fire tower including one inside it where it got so hot the glass in the windows melted and ran down the walls. This room even had heating elements to keep it warm for the times Cal Roberts and Harry Martin would go up and look for fire danger in all directions.
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dave ziegler
10-02-2009, 11:11
I just wanted to post this part on here as it has to do with fire safety. In talking to Paul the Plant Electrian where I work now, He stressed to me how well things were layed out in the bottling House such as groups of different equipment in areas. They were all spaced in a way that protected one area from causing a fire in another area. He said just looking at the pictures I gave him that it was very well engineered to be safe from Fire and well planed in its creation.

After the terrible fire I think 1957 was the yr in the Phila Plant the company wanted to make sure nothing bad like that could ever happen to anything newly built or Old and as I have said before be it the Fire tower mid Plant to working sprinklers in all buildings no matter how old. To the Fire drills at the old buildings every month to the fully equipped Fire truck They did their best to make Kinsey the safest Warehousing of aging spirits, Bottling of Spirits and Distilling of spirits back when DSP-Pa-12 ran.
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dave ziegler
10-29-2009, 07:55
Well Winter is setting in and the weeds are starting to give the Buildings in Kinsey a break.
Here are two shots of the Fire escapes on the warehouses.
1. This is the regular fire escape on Warehouse C look at it and then the next one and you will see how very different the Fire Tower one is!

2. This is warehouse Q its Fire escape is built with the fire observation room on top. This was the perfect place as Warehouse Q as I have said many times is on the highest point of the Plant. It never stops amazing me that they built this on there and being it was built during WWII Who knows what esle it was built to look for as I was just thinking and the little room on top gave you a great view over the roof. However no one will ever look out that room again as the metal grating fell down in the sealed shaft and there is nothing to stand on.
My friend took a shot for me over the big open hole in the room on that day in 2007. I checked the stairwell and that shaft is completly sealed from getting into.

To me it was very interesting that when they built the Explosion proof Warehouses that they put that much thought into it all.

I took these shots on Sunday and the Sun went in just when I shot the Fire tower so it is a little dark but you can really compare them good this way.
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dave ziegler
11-16-2009, 07:41
I was able to make one last trip into the Fire tower and here are some of the shots!
it was a very nice day and I was able to go in and go out one of the little Fire escape doors to climb the tower stairs. I did not want to chance the roof.
1. & 2. Inside the Fire observation room Kids have written junk everywhere now
3. Shot of some of the windows up there and heating element on wall

4. shot of melted glass
5. A tree growing in the room as you goup the fire stairs
6. Looking down the stairs
7. Another shot of Melted glass on the window sill
8. looking at windows
9.10.11.12.13 Shots taken out the window of the view in differant directions
14. An Old pipe valve that turned the heat off and on in the fire tower
still turns off and on after all these years with ease.
The Fire tower escape was the only one that had heat in it
14. Back water tower from Fire room across the roof
15.16.17. Shots of the top of the fire tower from across the Roof from the last time I got pictures a week before
18. Front Warehouse stairwell
19. Shot across roof from Front stairwell
20.Fire tower looking at it from the ground first picture shows hole smashed in by fire company. What happen reconstructing what caused the fire someone went on the third floor lit up some barrels that had some corn whiskey in them and it got so hot it melted the glass opneing windows in the tower room. The Fire company smashed in the wall at the back and put the fire out it has never dryed out and with the roof leaking there are stalagtites on the third floor ceiling. I took some pictures of them and will post them later.

What a sad ending for Warehouse Q the Fire Observation tower One of a kind Building. Yet it still stands strong and nor falling down a tribute to it well build when it was built.
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dave ziegler
01-17-2010, 15:47
About two weeks ago the last time I was at Kinsey I was amazed going into some buildings how many Fire Extingushers are still there Hundreds of them every where! When it came to the danger Of Fire our Plant had the most protection that was possible during the years it was operating.

Be it our mack Fire truck which routinely was upgraded every couple of years to the fire tower and the large Cummins powered pump down back to bring water up from the river to the back water tank and the inlets out front that brought water to the front water tower.

Cal Roberts and Harry Martin went around every week turning on hydrents and testing them building by building. There were as I have said before fire drills every month and their were men who's job included being ready in case of fire. The Explosion Proof Buildings were all laid out the same distance apart and there were hydrents on all sides of them.

All the Old Buildings had large Fire Mains built into them when Publicker bought Kinsey in 1940 and the fire drills were mostly done near the Old Warehouses and the Still!

In the 94 years Kinsey Exsisted there were never any Fires or Fire damage due to the way Publicker protected the Place.
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dave ziegler
02-05-2010, 07:11
Three weeks ago when I was at Kinsey My friends showed me dozens of Fire Extinguisher's they were Old 1986 CO'2 ones and many of them still have charge and work. As I have said many times Protecting from Fires and people getting Hurt was a Large part of our Operating at Kinsey.

In the Years I worked there I never saw any fires and the Plant had its regular monthly drills especialy near the Oldest Buildings. When The Continental Distilling Division of Publicker Industries started working on the Kinsey Distillery They spaced all the buildings the same distance apart all the way around.

They Incropatarted the Rear Fire escapes with their walled of from fire aproach. How they worked was you could not get into them from a door directly, you had to go into a wall door and go out on a little railed outside porch which took you to a door on the side of the fire stairwell keeping the fire from coming directly into the fire escape. the wall where it was built against was double walled all the walls Had one inch rods running two ways and floors, walls and cealings were all 2 foot thick!

A good example of how well they were built is the fire many years ago that was started by Vandels on the top 3rd floor of Q Building The Fire Observation tower building. Vandels lit some barrels of Corn whisky sitting up there, I know becuase of remaining chared heads that say Corn Whisky.

It got so hot all the glass windows in the fire tower room melted, I have read that glass only starts to melt at 2,900 degrees or there about. It was so Hot the fire company knocked in a back wall area to get to the fire and put in out. After All these years Q Building stills stands and you can still walk up the fire stairs safely to do one of the things I loved to do look out across the plant for far distances seeing all area's around, as it was deisigned to do too look for any fire near or in the plant.

Built at the High point of the plant going back to give a view of the whole Plant it was a enginering High point and a tribute to operating the Plant with great safety.

I will always be proud for working there and thankful to Mr Neumans great idea's that kept the place safe and you can bet Old Joe Trish did alot of the blueprint design's for the Plant when it was being built in the early 1940's.
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dave ziegler
03-01-2010, 05:15
Not very long ago about two weeks I got to Kinsey and discovered that vandels are now laying Fire exstingusers everywhere. The amazing thing is these units are dated 1979/1980 and they still have a full charge because they are of the old time steel with solid valve on top. I have one at home that is still fully charged and in great shape being a CO;2 type there were and still are hundreds of them there.

When we were cutting out all the steel whisky racks we had fire watch teams because of the whisky that had soaked into the floors through the years. Cal Robers stood all day at the ready with exstingusers in case of fire as we the yard gang carried the racks out as they were cut by Welding torch as they were built so well they had to cut them at the welds and take them out in pieces.

It was sad to see lots of the racks going but the new idea then was to stack the barrles on piles as they were filled and it was also hard work, then as we were also using the 120 gal barrels and 300 + gal barrles too!



Back when I worked at Kinsey there were dozens per floor of the Explosion proof warehouses hung on the large Pillers on each floor. They were checked every year and filled when empty. It was due to the pactices of safety that we never had any fires in the plant anywhere through its operating history! Looking back I always felt safe there at work never really thought of anything going wrong and the reason was simple we were prepared for most things that could happen.

The Kinsey Distillery had a long History of Safety and those who worked there were proud to work there!

I will post a picture some time of my Extinguser here it is another piece of History saved from the Vandels that never stop going there to destroy!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-09-2010, 09:49
While checking out a friends new Phone with web and video I found something really Cool aparently if I could have known and got in Kinsey back in around 2000 many of the Old trucks and stuff where still sitting there. While looking I saw that they had gotten another Old Fire pumper with a cab and ladders to go with the Old One. This must have been bought not long after I left. In the Persons Video the fire truck was sitting in weeds next to the Fire House as if Parked and never moved again.

Also Out front I saw one of our Old 1941 Ford flat trucks sitting and lots of other cars and stuff. These were cut up later by the people who claimed they were going to buy Kinsey and were fixing it up all the while under the guise that they were going to build a Pro Pane electric Plant and use all the buildings. All that ever came of that was them stealing metal and knocking down the still and catching the Old Bottle house on fire then leaving after making so much money that they abandoned some fork lifts outside in the plant.

I am going to research and see if there is any way I can get some of those pictures for History. They also were at fault for the catching on fire of Warehouse I as far as I can figure burning Thousands of bottles of Spirits left behind or at least leaving it open for Vandels to do this including cases of my favorite peanut Liquor.

I have found lists of much of what was left behind when the Owner would not let Continental People in any more.

This is more of the sad story of the end of Kinsey in fall of 1986, never to be protected and left to be destroyed by Vandels all these years.

I would Neven want Ludy to see her as she is now it would break his heart. Because of this I will keep working on new things here and on other threads of the Histiory of Kinsey and I hope to find some more yr 2000 pictures.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-10-2010, 07:19
I am posting a few pictures taken on Sunday of the Old Buildings out front that were always in the mothly Fire safety drills done at Kinsey under the supervision of Cal Roberts are Company Fireman. The team of him Harry martin and Stan Sofoniwitz kept Kinsey fire free through all the years we Operated.

1.This pile of Bricks was once the Original Plant office where our Boss Mr Harold Reinnert worked the People who said they were fixinf the Plant up years ago caught it and the old bottle house and barn on fire cuting Metal up.

2.,3. Here is the Old #10 Rye Building from the side across from the still was and inside looking back from the front the Sun was really bright on Sun so the pictures are a bit light.

4. A shot of the Old final grain process building looking from where the Old DSP-Pa. 12 stood.

It is sad to think of the fools who caught these Historic buildings on fire but whats done is done and so I try to lay out a picture of how it looked and how everything worked and these buildings alway had top priority for Fire frighting drills.

I will later today post the rest of my Pictures from all over the Plant on the memories Thread.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-24-2010, 04:50
The more I walk around Kinsey and look at things I am amazed at all the things that were in place to prevent fires. They went beyond just the law and because of that forethought we never had any fires or injuries from fire. To this day there are hundreds old Co'2 fire extingusers everywhere and of course the vandels like to dig them out and throw them.

We had containment walls that were so good a setup that they are on par for modern ones like where I work today. Around the big 1/2 million gal tanks we had walls and drains to take the whiskey if there was a spill, away to another area tank by drains and pumps.

At the end they had 2 fire trucks as I discovered by a old picture after the place was abandon. Of course our Explosion proof warehouses had the fire escape system at the back of each building and we had our monthly fire drills at the most fire prone area's of the plant and of course the Fire Observation tower from which you could see all area's of the plant.

All this planing started under the idea's of Si Neuman and our great engineer Joe Trisch who did 90% of all the drawing and blue prints for plant projects.

We thankfully never had any near fire's ever in those years and there was never any loss of life at our Kinsey plant!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-07-2010, 17:51
About two weeks ago I got to walk around Kinsey and here is a picture of the only other Fire escape that was different! This one is different because O building served as the Government Offices besides being where they distilled water for the Whiskey, had our Lunch room and was the only explosion proof warehouse with windows! The picture is of it at the back facing the Bottling House!

O building was One of a kind in all its design from the rest, Q buildings only was different in it having the totally differnt Fire Observation room tower! The rest of Explosion proof warehouse Q was just like the other 12 of 14.

I try to get as many pictures of the buildings as I can for History sake as I want the Warehouses to be seen by People as long as History continues!
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dave ziegler
04-12-2010, 10:52
I walked around Kinsey Yesterday after I donated the Barrel and here are 3 shots I got through the Partly open door of Old Kinsey Warehouse H the last one ever built by Jacob G Kinsey.

1. The last intact Freight Elevator left is this one in H warehouse the others have fallen to pieces. This was the Last wood and brick Warehouse built by Jacob G Kinsey
2. Looking down through the warehouse
3. looking to the right at the racks!

This is the only one of the Old warehouses that still is not completly done for and it is sad. I remember well what happen if you put to many barrles on these you would crash to the floor! Also to go tto the upper levels to a certain point you had to either climb a wooden ladder or Ride the freight elevator as close as you could get then go up the ladder. And you better be fairly thin.

These warehouses when I started there had a wealth of vintage whiskeys and it was warehouse E where I had my first Rittenhouse Rye from the barrel. I am sure glad I got to do this job back in the day.

It was a fun job even though hard and if you love whiskey you loved the smells of all the warehouses!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-20-2010, 06:32
In one of the strangest querks of fate maybe around 2001 or there abouts the Fire observation room warehouse Q and warehouse I two of the 14 explosion proof warehouses were put to the test by Vandels when large fires where started in them. Q Warehouse got so hot that the glass melted out of the fire tower room! Then the fire company smashed in a big hole in the wall where there had been some old corn whiskey barrels on the third floor that had enough residue that the vandels got the fire going. Even after smashing in the section of wall Q building remains strong I was on its roof a couple of years ago and it is still a very strong building.

Warehouse I at one time had pallets of Liquor stacked 22 feet high in one of its corners. Many years before I got back to Kinsey, a fire burned everything to dust and burned out with no one but the Vandels knowing when this happen.

But the only damage to the Building inside is a tiny bit of chipped Brick nothing else. If nothing else this proves How very Good these explosion proof warehouses were built under the Leadership of Mr Si Neuman.

No fire escaped from them they are both still strong and if the fire company had knocked the wall out in that spot the only damage is glass melting and bricks chipping. These were as good as good could be for safety and containment and as they say where I work now Containment and safety are the name of the game.

What a tribute to Kelly for brick and Mc Cluskie builders from Phila back in those days, and the forthought of Mr Neuman when they bought Kinsey in 1940!

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-28-2010, 06:19
This morning I was thinking about my second year working in the Yard Gang at Kinsey. One of our duties Winter and summer started then and was the job of hauling what were the barrel racks out of the warehouses as they were cut.

It took a powerful Welding Rod cutter to cut the welds to take the racks apart. They were taken apart in sections so that if ever wanted again they could be put back together.

During these times Both Cal Roberts Fire Chief and asstant Harry Martin would be on Fire watch with many types of Extinguers to prevent any chance of Fire. Doors to lobby's were shut to prevent any fumes from other floors getting involed.

It was a long and hard job that never was completely done while Publicker owned the place the last racks being taken out was by the people who took anything of value all the while claiming they were going to build a Propane power plant there till the deal went down and they left what was of Kinsey in Ruin even knocking down the DSP-Pa-12 Still for metal to make money from.

We would haul the parts of the Racks down to the Old steer pens going down toward the river and put them under the roof's.
Calvin Roberts worked at Kinsey over 40 years and was a great fire Chief and a very good man.

Our Yard gang then was Myself,Eddie Pinder, Bill Albright, Valintine Celenie and George Rhoads and Our Boss John Zuber. We used an Old Ford 8-N tractor and a farm wagon to haul the frames down back and we would spend about half a day doing this sometimes.

It took the whole crew to carry the Uprights and we had to turn them side ways to get them out the front roll doors. It was hard work but it had to be done and later in the day there were lots of other things to do depending on the season.

Bill Albright was a character every day for his lunch He brought a Lettuce sandwitch for his lunch. Sometimes he liked a shot with his lettuce sandwitch.

During the cutting of Rack uprights Calvin Roberts would have the fire truck right there ready. Every week Cal & Harry Martin and Stan Stofoniwitz the complete fire dept would go around the plant opening hydrents and testing valves.

They would run water to test presure and also would travel from time to time up into the Fire observation room to look around the plant especialy during dry Hot summers!

The fire prevention record at Kinsey was Perfect and there were never any fires during its years of Operation.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-10-2010, 10:21
This past weekend I was a guest at The Limerick Historic society and I took some stuff to show how the place operated and what it looked like back in the day.

To preserve History I was able to get many differant Explosion proof and weather Proof light switches from the Plant and the company Electrian where I work wired them after I decided and put the sets together. One of the biggest reasons the plant so so safe was the way the electric's were layed out.

Going into one of the waerhouses you would have red pilot lights telling you there was power on the dock.

Next you would go into the first floor Stairwell and throw a really big Lever.

Next whatever floor you went into when you got through the door to the bonded warehouse racks you would throw switches and pilot lights would come on with the Lights and other stuff. Also all plugs for lifts were explosion proof and all forklift Charging places had explosion proof plugs.

1. Sets of Pilot lights and switches at the back of my office made like the electiral headers on the walls going into the bonded warehouse area.
2. Rare late 1930's Explosion proof Candle shaped light these alot of times were mounted on a pipe and had an explosion proof cord to be able to be hung in front of a console that had no light. I made two of my 3 into Lampes to use in my office at back of my office. They have a spring at the top to hold the tube like 25 watt bulb shock absorbed. I also have one that is on the rod and I will post a picture of it soon.
3. Differant types of Explosion proof switchs and pilot lights. Switch number 3 from the right is a rare General Electric Explosion proof switch with built in Lock out and a plug in the side where Cheeko was shot in to seal it from vapors. The Electrian at work told me about cheeko it dryed after you sprayed it in and sealed everything from sparks that might get in somehow it dryed bright white!
4. A closeup of some of the switches, The Big throw switch one is from warehouse O and ran the pumps to pump whiskey from O to the Bottle house by overhead stainlees line to be filtered and bottled there.
5.Another of my Explosion proof candle shaped lights wired by the electrian and the base made by Brain the shipper in the plant. Sitting on my desk
6. Another darker shot of my Lamp.
7. Switches on my desk the little ones are weather proof and the bigger ones explosion proof. The one with the brass pull shaft weatherproof, is from the late 1890's and was in the Maintiance Barn built by Jake Kinsey in 1892.is
6th one from the left,the 5th one weather proof was one of the Dock light switches from Warehouse R it turned on the dock light outside. The first switch from the left is also a 1930's switch type explosion proof and the one next to it was down in the Old Weight and scale building at the back of the plant.
I found it broken off the wall laying in the rain by vandels and frozen up. I spent 3 days freeing it up and the switch inside solid brass mounted in Ceramic was like new so I was able to use it. It now is safe here in my office. Some of these switches are one of a kind others there are allot but the 1930's and late 1890's ones are one of a kind!

Many Thanks To Paul for wiring these one of a kind lights for history, this may seem odd but these were as much a part of the operation as the Whiskey stored there and the Distilling that happened there till mid 1951.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-18-2010, 07:56
One of the most amazing things about Kinsey was the fact that in all of its 94 years of operation till 1939 Mr Kinsey, and till 1986 Continental Distilling there was never even anything close to a fire.

I credit this to the way Kinsey was built up after Continental Bought it at auction in 1940. When kinsey was laid out every Building was surounded by Fire Hydrents when built and each explosion proof Warehouse spaced the same distance apart. Each had special Fire doors leading to the little escape porches that went into the Fire escapes.

The fire escapes were not open at all to the rooms behind them except if you went by the little porches.

Then they had the forsight to put the Fire tower on the back of Warehouse Q which sat on the highest part of the plant and had great views in all directions.

I just lately found paper work about the Big water pump out back in the woods and found out it was put there just after I left Kinsey I will post the paper work some time soon.

Down in the woods out back where they had two more 1/2 million gal tanks the woods is filled with old Fire Hydrents and all the buildings had more then you could count of Fire Extingusers and also water Hoses on valves on the pillers and large pipes to bring the water in event of a fire to them in all the warehouse areas. Also all warehouses were heavy sprinkled.

Everything near fumes had explosion proof switches and pilot lights to check for power. Going into the warehouse each dock had pilot lights for each floor so you knew what was going on before you went in, also security could monitor them on their rounds.

Next you went into the stair well and threw a large switch, then you would throw switches on the Electric Headers in the warehouse storage area's. All outside switches were water proof even in the old Maintaince Barn 1892. Continental Thought of everything.

At the end they Had 2 fire trucks and also the large blue Water tank besides the two water towers. And walking around the Old Kinsey wood and brick warehouses you will find that they all had below the level giant Pipes and were completely Sprinkled when Continental bought Kinsey.

Finally there were the Monthly Fire drills performed around all the Old Kinsey Buildings to make sure that they and the Local fire company Linfield Fire company were ready for anything they could think of.

I am filled with great pride thinking about the time I worked for this great Company and deep sadness at its terrible end. When you think about the miles of Stainless piping going from warehouse to warehouse that had dump troughs and then to the Bottle house and never any leaking pipes that could cause explosion it was an amazing record for that time period.

Four 1/2 million Gal storage tanks safely operated all those years and 11 operating bottle lines in the big bottle house with one line, A-1-F able to do 40,000 bottles a day it is an awesome safety record. Also the old Kinsey bottle house operated from the mid 1930's continously till 1979 and never had a fire or explosion.
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dave ziegler
06-24-2010, 07:00
One of my Favorite memories was when The Kinsey Fire Dept Chief would take the Old Mack Fire truck for a ride around the plant.

His Name was Calvin Roberts and His asistant was Harry Martin. They would ride from one end to the other and Blow the Old siran and blow the Big horns. It was a fun thing to see during Work hours. Every day they would go to one of the Buildings they had a list to check them off and open Hydrants and test valves, and open them and run water.

Kinsey Had a great Fire Protection system and many buildings had Pyrotronics lighted fire warning systems panels. Also there were Hundreds apon Hundreds of Fire Extinguesrs. And of course the Fire Observation room on top of Warehouse Q at the High Point of the plant.

Thankfully everything worked well and we never had any Fires. Also as I have stated before every month the Company had employee's trained to fight Fires do drills with the Linfield Fire Dept. Most times at the Old Buildings out front and the Operating Liquor Bottle House out front that Jake Kinsey built which served the company till the very last day!

Publicker when they bought Kinsey paid and had all the Old wood and brick Warehouses fully sprinklered they put giant main pipes down in the space below the racks and ran sprinklers all through them to the very top of the racks.

When Cal would drive the Old Truck sometimes he and Harry would wear Firemans Hats just for the fun of it. The Old Mack did not have a roof in the driver area it was an old Open truck that Publicker upgraded every year and at the end they had two trucks.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-11-2010, 15:37
I decided to post a few more shots from this weekend as I enjoyed shooting the pictures so much and I did not want to wait till monday to share more so here are 7 more of my Sat shots on this thread.
1. Looking from the end of the bottling lines in room c back toward the lines
2. Moving to Warehouse R here is a shot Of some never used Caffe Lolita Cases filled with never used bottles
3. Plalet of Continental Black berry Brandy boxes never used. Continental always bought years ahead to avoid being stuck by shortages of bottles and boxes
4. One of The Brandy Boxes
5. Hallers Vodka case Box
6. Now back to the bottle house, Whiskey Heater #2 at far back end of the bottle house where lines started on the Platform back there
7. Whiskey Heater #1 on platform.

I am glad I was able to post many of my Pictures today and hope to post more soon.

Looking through the 1966 Bottle house in the pictures I have posted gives you an idea of how big it was and how modern for its time!
I hope everyone enjoys the pictures posted here and on the other two threads.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-20-2010, 12:44
I have been thinking alot about the amazing safety we had at Kinsey it was always Publicker's most safe plant and everything was designed for safety. To this day I am amazed at all the fire extingusers I see around there hundreds apon hundreds. Hoses Hydrents even down in the woods and lots of water capascity to fight fires.

Add to that the Fire tower at the High point of the plant and the Pyrotronic's panels in bottling, the fire house and some other buildingss to inform if a fire should start in a building it is a very impressive thing. Plus 2 fire engines tests on all the water valves every week we were ahead of alot of Distilleries those days as far as safety went and being the worlds largest then we should have been.

Mr Neuman did not take short cuts on safety and our record at Kinsey Proves it.

Here are a few more pictures from 3 weeks ago
1. The Old Grain Silo's going into the plant
2. Motors in back tank platform area bottling house
3. Pallet of Philadelphia Blended Whiskey Boxes never used warehouse R
4. Picture of Warehouse R in Black and White.
I hope these pictures posted today on all 3 threads are enjoyable for everyone and that they keep the History of Kinsey alive!
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dave ziegler
08-12-2010, 09:39
I just got two more shots from the Philadelphia Publicker plant from my friend Butch today.
Picture 1. far upper Left are fermmentation Spheres also the Walt Whitman bridge. These pictures were taken in Jan 1977 note the delaware river is frozon over. The White tank to the right of the Photo was a fuel oil tank. The pictures were taken from the rear of the Bigler Street maintenance shop.
Picture 2. looking from the maintenance shop dock at a tug boat next to the Carpenter Shop.

I always get excited when I get shots from the Publicker plant as I never had the good fortune to see any of it.
I will be hoping soon to post some pictures of Publicker that are very big so I will take digital photos so I can post them. I will soon have acess to them. I will post when I can to the thread that fits the Pictures and I have been told there may be a old shot of Kinsey from the 1940's which will go on here asap I see it.
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dave ziegler
09-02-2010, 05:05
Here are a couple more pictures given me by my friend who was in management at Publicker. Also one of the Pictures has been highlighted by my Friend Butch who worked at Publicker when I worked at Kinsey, I will post the picture and then the highlighted copy.
1. Publicker Bigler Street Plant pre 1955 per my friend Butch
2. Same picture with Butchs Highlights explaining the buildings also noteing the building that exploded in May 1955 killing 3 people
3. A colume in the Plant
4. An Areial picture of Both Publicker plants bigler st and Snyder Av taken in 1925 given to me by Butch who worked in both plants from 1967.
5. Another Picture from my Management Friend Butch said the building on the far left was the AA Building it was built by the Government at the beginning of WWII to make Rubber, and was sold to Publicker after the war for $1.00 Butch told me this story as He worked there and was told this.
I will be posting more soon from stuff from my friend and Butch too, I hope this is still interesting and I also posted some pictures yesterday on the 1966 Bottle House Thread and some the day before on the Memories thread.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-22-2010, 06:52
Well today I am going to post some more very rare and one of a kind pictures on here and the Memories thread.
1. Picture one is an aerial shot of the whole Phila plant area. Bottom Left side is the Phila navel Yard Photo taken before the Walt Whitman bridge was built. Publicker Bigler Street Plant is on the right side close to the middle of page. The Piers on the Left side of The River are Publicker also the extrem right the land is NJ. Sadly years of laying have clouded the Picture a good bit.

2. Sadly in bad shape stuck to glass, if I remove the last of the broken glass the picture will come off too! Here is another shot of the Publicker Plant.

I am slowly finishing up with these rare pictures and I am most thankful to My friend who was in a high position at Publicker for saving these from the dumpster 31 years ago even though in bad shape they are History in so many ways. And to Butch who worked there helping me with stuff in the pictures.
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dave ziegler
11-02-2010, 10:52
This past Sunday afternoon I decided I needed to take a walk around Kinsey as it had been at least a month since the last time. It was cool and breezes were coming through the plant from the river. I only walked half way back, but the sadness I felt was profound! I looked at the Explosion proof warehouses sitting in ruin vandels doing all they could to forever ruin them.

I walked into Building O opened by vandels to see bottle caps everywhere, and I walked into the Old Government Office there. Government Man Glen Smiths desk fliped over, old files tosed all over. I walked to my right and mounted the stairs to the old storage and shower room so long ago used.

My Heart grew sad I stood there remembering the Holidays back in the day, on the floor lay all that is left of the Government Mens Reusable Christmas tree, I listen for the sounds of the Old 1941 Ford Flat trucks coming up the small hill to get more barrels to dump. Of They are gone but in my Mind I could hear the old flat Head Ford V8's roaring by.

Instead of busy people working as they were the Last day I worked there there was silentness. The People are either Old, Dead or gone to who knows where. The plant sits in ruin and just the banging of broken doors moved by the wind.

When I worked there proudly so did 600 other people, we made good money and had good lives then. Yet Kinsey like a person has grown old and died and is gone forever, leaving me to talk of Her Glory days and the good people, the hard working people that made her great.

I am left with the task of showing all of you what a great Company Publicker Industries and Continental Distilling were. Last night I remembered for the first time in 20 + years the name of the New company man that old Dicky Phiefer did not like His name was Ray Drielblitz and he was nice guy, but Old Dicky got upset at him all the time for no real reason just the way Dicky was. Dicky called him Bluber Guts and hated when he had to work where he was.

Poor Dicky had the job of keeping all the old Trucks and cars going and I can remember times he no sooner fixed a door on one of the old 1941 Trucks someone would smash it right off again.

Later this week I am going to skip ahead on the Distillery catolog I posted early last week to a couple of KY ones and post one or two pictures in large but for the most part if I want to keep putting pictures up I will have to go the small route on pictures so as not to run out of space.
Dave Z
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Jono
11-02-2010, 12:51
Hey Dave, it looks like Wiki could use your talent to write up Kinsey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinseys_Distillery

dave ziegler
11-09-2010, 10:02
I talked to Ludy today and told him about Bill ( Windy Ewing dying. I then asked Ludy to tell me how we went about racking the Barrels when we filled racks so that the Bung would be up when they were in there place in the rack!

We would start by figuering what position on a clock would put the first barrel with its bung up, then the next 3 barrels would be set to start in the rack at 20 minutes each later on the image of a clock. So if the first barrel went in at High Noon the next would be 20 after then 40 after the hour and back to the hour again. This way all the barrels would be Bung up in the racks.

This also was the way to get all the barrels with their bung down to dump on the dump trough. It was important to make sure you got the first one bung down on the trough end and have each one set at 20 minuets on the clock after the first one.

There was not much worse then having all the barrels set wrong and having to move them back and forth till they fell at the right place.

Ludy was telling me that Al Landis now (92) Mr kinsey's great nephew racked all the 20,000 barrels in each of the Old Warehouse's D and E out at the front of the plant when Prohibition ended

Al's Father Hoarce was the master Distiller at Kinsey till the still shut down in spring 1951 forever.

Ludy, Jack Rayser and Al landis are the last 3 Living people that worked For Jacob G Kinsey back in the day as far as Ludy and I can figure.

And there are not alot of people left that worked for Continental Distilling either. Time waits for no one and time has left Kinsey in ruin but it will always be a place of beauty to me as I remember it as it was like a large beautiful Park!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-18-2010, 13:05
I have just heard some talk about a Local man about to buy Kinsey. I wonder about one of the things he talks about doing which is to make the Old Bottle house into some sort of Electric Race car track and other types of things and I find it hard to believe he is talking about giving 25 million for the place. If he keeps the Buildings and makes the rest of them into condo's it would be a great way to preserve her. He seems to talk like that. Wants to find partners to go into it with him.

But first I want to see if he buys it as talk is cheap. I hate seeing it rot so if it fixes the Old Bottle House up it will be a good thing but where does he get the money to clean it up and how does he keep the Vandels out if he does buy it.
I have asked the People who speak to him to introduce me as I am very interested in seeing it saved and I also would like if it is bought and saved to be able to take pictures and see what Happens. It is such a shame that the Old still is gone as the front would have been a great History museum.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-26-2010, 10:23
The year was 1969 and I had worked at Kinsey for 3 years 3 months it was Wed Dec 24 the day before Christmas and I knew this day was going to be something else. I have written of this before but wanted to talk of it again for this years Christmas.

I was met once I got to the Warehouses by one of the guys I worked with the plan was to get the work we had, allot less then normal done early as tomorrow was Christmas and a well deserved day off. This was my first year in the warehouses and I knew it would be very different then years before in the yard gang.

The first thing my Friend did was give me a full pint bottle of whiskey straight from one of the Future Bourbon barrels. We worked for about 3 hours and then everyone including the boss's and Government men began partying and drinking lots of Whiskey.

By Noon the whole plant was very well Loaded, I pretended to drink to letting the whiskey go back in my bottle as I wanted to watch this happening for the sake of History never knowing all these years later I would be telling this story here on the web.

Even Securtiy was drunk that day! People were laughing talking and having a great time. Lunch time some people were buying Ginger ale in our lunch room to mix with their whiskey and I have been told the big bottle house was in full party mode too.

Government men were in their offices in O bulding sitting near their fake christmas tree they used every year drinking and telling stories of Distilleries they had been at during their carears.

I visited them and found them most happy! At days end we fed the fish extra Wonderbread in the old Cyprus fermenter in the old Dsp-Pa-12 near our time clock and then left for the Holiday. As I drove out Security came out of the Guard box and in a half loaded voice wished me a very Merry Christmas.

Way Different days then no one got hurt no one had an accident everyone acted fairly responsible for themselves leaving.

I am glad that I was the one person to stay sober that day to remember that day 41 years ago in my life I was 22 yrs old then I am now 63 a long time ago but some fond memories of a great Company Publicker Industries and its afiliates Continental Distilling and Kinsey Distillery!

The front water tower used to proudly say Publicker Industries Continental Distilling Division Linfield Pa.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-12-2011, 06:53
Well we got about 8 inches of snow last night and this morning I could not help remembering snow days at Kinsey in the Yard gang. The first thing we did was load up the old 1948 Ford pickup with salt and our snow shovels. The Boss would get out the Old tractor and start plowing and before he did he would drop us at different places in the plant to shovel walks including Mr Bryants and ED Zucca's company House down by the river. With well over a Hundred acres of Plant with buildings it was an all day job.

We had company gloves coveralls and sub zero Army Surplus Coats so we were warm and we took breaks from time to time when John Zuber our boss would take us in the back of the old Ford Flathead pickup to the Break room for a cup of coffee from our coffee machine there. It was an Old time coffee machine but the coffee was darn good! We also had crackers and other snacks there.

Then it would be back to work till every side walk at every one of the 21 warehouses, the bottling house and the Old Bottle house and still and grain buildings and the two company houses out front were all clear for safe walking. Many a snowy winter we would be clearing the way to the Coal piles that powered the 2 Coal boilers along with our one oil boiler to heat the plant by over head Pipe lines all the way down to the begining of the road to the steer pens and river, where it stopped.

I was young then and did not mind the hard work and the cold now I am old I hate trying to shovel snow, but I look back to those years which were years that taught me the value of work and to be a reliable person on my Jobs.

To this day I rarely miss a day and up to 2007 for seven years never missed a day of work. In 2007 those who have read my stuff know I almost died was sick in bed for 21 days and when I started to get better started this project of writting the History of Publicker/Continental and Kinsey as much as possible with as many History Pictures as I could get now with close to 2000 Pictures I am still at it.

Every time I get new pictures to post on the memories thread I get excited and I plan to post some more in a day or so as posted some Monday night there And wrote there last night.

Another amazing thing the people who drank on the job even in the worst snow seemed to just keep drinking and working without getting hurt. I was only 19 when I started there and because of being young remeber these things like yesterday.

The harder job then cleaning the snow, was when I went to the warehouses after being bumped and trying to haul barrels with snow everywhere. I think I remember them putting chains on the old 1941 Ford Flat trucks so they would not get stuck till every drive was plowed. Rolling barrels out on the wet docks was a pain everything got wet. But what people today do not relise Pa was one of the earlyest and biggest States back in the Old days for Whiskey especialy Rye Whiskeys and My Sams Mapping book that belonged to Publicker has more then I can count of old Distillerys in Pa!

Pa will always have a great part in the History of Distilling Great Whiskeys and in Pa Publicker will always be thought of as the King in those great days past after prohibition ended.
I really enjoy writting about work days at Kinsey and it is my hope it is not boring to anyone.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-19-2011, 05:46
Here is a picture from an early Photo around Late 1933 of Our Products back then.
1. Picture shows are earliest brands Envoy Club Whiskey, Snug Harbor and Sweep Stakes Straight Whiskey. plus good old Dixie belle Gin and another early gin Caledonia Gin. I am lucky enough to have a Envoy Club Bottle and a Snug Harbor Bottle both late 1933 Products. I also have a couple of Sweep Stakes Straight Whiskey Bottles.

Snug Harbor acording to My Friend who was High up in the Marketing part of the Company was if not the First one of the Very first drinking Whiskeys Continental Distilling made when Prohibition ended!

I got this picture from my friend Butch and I will post a picture of My Envoy Club and Snug Harbor Bottles here soon.
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unclebunk
01-19-2011, 06:49
Here is a picture from an early Photo around Late 1933 of Our Products back then.
1. Picture shows are earliest brands Envoy Club Whiskey, Snug Harbor and Sweep Stakes Straight Whiskey. plus good old Dixie belle Gin and another early gin Caledonia Gin. I am lucky enough to have a Envoy Club Bottle and a Snug Harbor Bottle both late 1933 Products. I also have a couple of Sweep Stakes Straight Whiskey Bottles.

Snug Harbor acording to My Friend who was High up in the Marketing part of the Company was if not the First one of the Very first drinking Whiskeys Continental Distilling made when Prohibition ended!

I got this picture from my friend Butch and I will post a picture of My Envoy Club and Snug Harbor Bottles here soon.
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Very interesting texture on the large bottle, Dave. Looking forward to seeing the Snug Harbor and Sweep Stakes bottles too. Thanks!

dave ziegler
02-01-2011, 10:15
Unclebunk I will post some pictures of Old Continental Bottles if possible this week on this thread! Been doing nothing but shoveling Snow and working lately.
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dave ziegler
02-06-2011, 16:18
As promised Unclebunk here are a few of my Rare Publicker Bottles.
1.Envoy Club 1933 fall empty. The next two were full when I got them Hallers Straight Rye and Phliadelphia Striaght Rye, a gift from my friend who was high up in Marketing late 1930's They taste wonderful
2. Sweep Stakes Striaght Whiskey / Keystone Striaght rye empty when bought
3. Sweep Stakes Blended / Patrician Striaght Bourbon empty when I got them
4. Original 1930's / 40's Rittenhouse Rye / bottle Snug Harbor Blended Whiskey one of the very first bottles of Whiskey to be made by Continental this one late 1933 Empty when I got them.
5. Kinsey Gold, Embassy Club Whiskey 1940's. empty when I go them

I will post some more pictures of Old Products of ours soon!
Dave Z
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ethangsmith
02-06-2011, 16:57
Great photos! You are for Kinsey what I am trying to be for Michter's. I love following your research and additions to your collection. It keeps me motivated to keep going ahead with Michter's!

On a side note, I bought a ton of Michter's stuff yesterday and in the box were test bottles of Jacquin's liqueurs that Michter's was producing for them. So it seems Jacquin's wasn't just buying off Continental in the 70's, they were also patronizing their smaller friends to the west too.

CL
02-24-2011, 23:11
These are the last four I have at hand....1. Tele poles leading back to the Kinsey House. 2.&3. The Kinsey House. 4. A case of Embassy Club whiskey restored by Dave Z.

I used to live in that house. ;-)

dave ziegler
02-28-2011, 05:02
Hey Chuck good to see you post here, I mowed the lawn many times at the Old House by the river when you were living there and Always enjoyed talking to Your Grandfather Mr Bryant who had the Plant running very good while he was there and Mr Neuman was alive! Everyone in the Bottle house had great respect For Mr Bryant and I always called him Sir in respect to him.
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dave ziegler
03-04-2011, 10:57
The years I worked in the Warehouses one of the most important jobs was the dumping of Barrels in the troughs for a trip to stainless tanks and then the Bottle house. As we took the Barrels out of the racks we rolled them to the Trough and the most important thing when doing this was the timing of the Bung to be down when it got on the trough at spots all along the trough!

I will never forget one day when I was in Jack Raysor's gang and we had a new Guy who had been a sargent in the Army for 20 years. He worked very hard but his big problem was the rolling of the Barrels.

He was not satisfiyed with just rolling them in Line, He would slid them side to side to make them a perfect line! It did not matter if we were racking or just moving them to another warehouse to dump but this day he was on Jacks gang and he was so busy sliding them side to side that he paid no attention to where the Bungs would fall when they got to him at the end of the line.

Everyone was timed wrong and Jack who when he got Mad not offten but when he did blew his stack. He said don't EVER Let me see you playing with moving the barrels side to side to make the Line Perfect when we are going to dump.

I don't give a dam if you want to work twice as hard when we are moving them from a building making them line perfect. From now on You will be called LINE UM UP LOUIE, His name was Lou and from that day we used to sing Line um up Louie when ever he worked with us.

I don't remember ever having him in a gang I was in ever again after a couple of months and I think he did not work there long after that. Jack was so mad his face turned red, we had to move them all off and reset everyone of them for the right timing.
This is just one of Many stories I remember from the days of Kinsey.

We also had a fellow who would take his Morning break eating crackers on the toilet not a good place for that and his name was Jim.


Many of us played dice during Break rather then travel to the lunch room if we were in the back of the Plant as it took to long riding on the flat bed of the Old 1952 Dodge Flat truck down to the break room and back when break was over.

We always had guys who liked to mix bottles with Ginger ALe And Whiskey at Break time so the Ginger Ale in our old soda machine was out of it most mornings.

Even though there was alot of Drinking those days, they were also a group of very hard working men who always got the days work done right and our Final product some of the best Whiskeys ever made. And the most important thing unlike the Phila plant we never had a fire or People Killed at Kinsey!
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Gillman
03-04-2011, 11:59
Dave, I am just curious whether any females worked in any of the warehouse jobs in that era, or was it all men? Can you recall any women workers in the production part of the facility?

Gary

dave ziegler
03-07-2011, 06:16
Gary when I worked there it was all men, but when Mr Neuman died and they were moving out all the Whiskey in the early 1980's Sandy who had worked on the Bottling lines for many years in the Bottle house worked in the warehouse's.

Somewhere back in my posts is a picture with Her Name written on one of the Old Elevators.

I will have to ask Ludy if during the war any women worked in the Warehouses as He would Know. Going to call him this morning. Taking the Barrels out of the racks tended to be a dirty Job so they gave us Coveralls to wear.

Rolling Barrels all day was hard on the back so we would switch what we were doing during each job.

We also would see many a rat running through when we opened up a warehouse that had been closed for some days or weeks. When a warehouse had been closed for weeks the Blue fumes in the air were amazing, I enjoyed it, was like walking into a giant Whiskey Vaporiser, opened your nose alot quicker then Vicks!

The Explosion Proof switches and light covers and pilot lights sure did their job, never had any fires or explosions. When my gang was dumping we would travel to many warehouses each day to get the lots marked on our dump sheet. In my time I was on 3 to 5 different gangs with different Boss's. Two of them were Jack Raysor, and Ben Meyers, can't remember other Names right now but maybe Ludy can refresh me on other Lead Men they were Union guys who ran the gang because of their ability and years of service.

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dave ziegler
03-07-2011, 09:20
Gary when I worked there it was all men, but when Mr Neuman died and they were moving out all the Whiskey in the early 1980's Sandy who had worked on the Bottling lines for many years in the Bottle house worked in the warehouse's.

Somewhere back in my posts is a picture with Her Name written on one of the Old Elevators.

I will have to ask Ludy if during the war any women worked in the Warehouses as He would Know. Going to call him this morning. Taking the Barrels out of the racks tended to be a dirty Job so they gave us Coveralls to wear.

Rolling Barrels all day was hard on the back so we would switch what we were doing during each job.

We also would see many a rat running through when we opened up a warehouse that had been closed for some days or weeks. When a warehouse had been closed for weeks the Blue fumes in the air were amazing, I enjoyed it, was like walking into a giant Whiskey Vaporiser, opened your nose alot quicker then Vicks!

The Explosion Proof switches and light covers and pilot lights sure did their job, never had any fires or explosions. When my gang was dumping we would travel to many warehouses each day to get the lots marked on our dump sheet. In my time I was on 3 to 5 different gangs with different Boss's. Two of them were Jack Raysor, and Ben Meyers, can't remember other Names right now but maybe Ludy can refresh me on other Lead Men they were Union guys who ran the gang because of their ability and years of service.

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Gary I just called Ludy who will be 93 on Sept 12th and he said during the 1940's when alot of Men were in the war and till the early 1950's He thinks and he remembers there were 6 women he remembered two of their names two sisters, nick names Dolly and Petts Schure. During the 1960's and early to mid 1970's the women all worked in the big 1966 Bottle house and the Little Kinsey Liquor Bottle House and it paid them better then us in the warehouse job!
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Gillman
03-07-2011, 11:43
Thanks Dave, that's great, appreciate the info.

Gary

squire
03-07-2011, 21:26
Dave I appreciate your ongoing efforts in the history section of the Forum. Please keep up the good work.

dave ziegler
03-11-2011, 07:31
Thanks Squire it means alot to know people like the story of Publicker I put forth. Another important thing in the reasons there was never any major fires or explosions at Kinsey was all the monthly fire drill's done there with the Linfield Fire Company and our Company fireman and truck and the very thing this thread started with, that way back in 1946/47 the Compnay decided to put a fire observation room on top of Explosion proof Warehouse Q at the High Point of the Plant and a double decker one so that you could see arcoss the roof toward the game lands and woods.

Publicker learned from explosions and other things that happened in Phila and put lots of safety measures when they Built the 14 new Buildings. No short cuts on switches all being Explosion proof. Explosion and fire protected fire escapes walls and floors 2 foot thick. and tons of Sprinklers including spending the money to Put sprinklers in every Old Kinsey Building with large water capasity Piping there were sprinkler heads running all 6 levels of the wooden racks in the old Warehouses like H warehouse.
1. Here is a Picture of the Fire observation Tower and room!

I always feel very proud of our Safety records at Kinsey there was never a time I ever worried about explosions or getting hurt. Continental may have made some terrible mistakes in the big Phila Plant but from the moment Kinsey reopened as a division of Publicker Industries even when the Old DSP-pa-12 Distiller was running from late 1940 which it did till spring 1951 there was never any fires or explosions and our Fire drills were very well done and mostly in the Oldest Buidlings even when they were not used anymore they still had heat and Power and Sprinklers working and great roofs with no leaks. IT is this also that made Kinsey very safe.
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dave ziegler
03-23-2011, 06:24
During the time the Kinsey Plant has been abandon the Old Explosion Proof warehouses have proved how well they were built. Way back in the early 2000's vandels set some almost empty corn whiskey barrels on fire on the third floor of Q warehouse the warehouse with the fire observation room.

The fire company came and put the fire out the only major damage was that they punched a hole in the wall to put water on the fire. The fire was so hot the window glass melted in the fire observation room and ran down the walls. And the window frames bent from the heat.

How ever the building is still strong and I have been in the room around 3 to 4 times. The other time was in warehouse "I" where when the plant was abandoned, there was one corner of this building that had whiskeys and Liquor's abandoned there. They were on skids from the floor to the ceiling 22 feet above on the first floor.

Someone got in there in the late 1990's to early 2000 when no one was watching the place. Long before I ever got there, and they set fire to the spirits, most likely Kids. The fire from all the research I did when I saw its remains burned till it was all burned up. When I went in there was no smell of smoke only cracking on the brick inside the wall next to the fire area, and the broken burned up glass from the labeled bottles. So you had a very hot major fire burning till it went out by itself with almost zero damage to the Explosion proof warehouse.

This is a great testament to the Buildings, their Builder Mc Cuskie Builders of Phila and Kelly for Brick and Continental Distilling's engineers.

I was able to salvage a bit of Peanut Liquor from the very bottom of the Pile but everything else burned up. And the reason I know it burned itself out was the lack of any water on the floor or Fire fighting chemicals. So it may well have burned for days with no one knowing till it burned out.

Seeing this I have no doubt that they would have done their job had there ever been an explosion in one of them to contain it! Those buildings may be forgotten and abandoned but in my Heart they bring great memories of a great company and great products and great people working there!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-04-2011, 13:48
Last week I when I walked around Kinsey as I walked in I looked over to see the Fire control room where Cal Roberts and Harry Martin used to hang out and work out of, now Hidden by weeds and trees. Back in the day they would walk behind the old Grain prep Building around the still and get the Old Fire truck out of 1892 Number 10 Rye Barn where it was kept when I worked there, back it down the lane and drive it through the Plant once a week to the delight of the people working in the plant as they would test the sirun as they drove around.

Once a month they would get it out for the Monthly Fire drills. During the week every week they would go down the list of Buildings testing a couple every day opening Hydrants and testing presure. Both Men were well liked by everyone and I never felt any danger from fire.

Every building as I have said many times was sprinkeled and had heat and power including the Old DSP-Pa-12 and rye Barn even though they were not used anymore for the most part. It was these safety things that kept us from ever having any type of fire there.
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dave ziegler
04-06-2011, 10:47
When I think about how big a place the Kinsey Distillery was 2/3 more land then the Phila plant I offten wonder how we kept everything so good. The people working there when I did had a great work Ethic and did not miss much time from work.

Just the job of going to the the fire hydrents in the plant and opening them all once a month was a really big job over 100 acre's of land with hydrents down in the woods out back near the river to protect the second set of 1/2 million gal storage tanks which were filled from the pump and weigh house out back by rail tanker and dumping.

We would see Cal, Harry and Stan opening and checking presures and flow of different Hydrents almost every day. They had to go check the pumping station down back to make sure it was working and that the Cummins engine that pumped water started and operated ok.

They had to monitor the Pyrotronics fire warning systems in certain area's, go up on the Fire tower room at least once a week to look for danger and then there was the upkeep of the Old Fire truck which Continental Distilling got when Kinsey lost the plant and it was updated when ever needed to make it right for the protection of the plant.

The hardest job had to be climbing down in the sub floor area's of the Old Kinsey wood & brick warehouses to make sure all the valves on pipes for the sprinklers were working!

Go up in the fire escape stair wells to make sure fire doors were working to escape if needed. They were busy every day and I fondly remember them riding around in the fire truck sounding the alarm.
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Jono
04-15-2011, 15:42
The grain storage silos had to be of immense concern as well with the explosion risk of grain dust. Controlling fuel, oxygen and combustion in those situations is tricky.

dave ziegler
04-25-2011, 10:01
Yes Jono and there was never any problems till the still shut down in spring 1951, they always had their fire drills from fall 1940 when Publicker bought it till the end of spirits in 1980 and the plant sold and some stuff leasted back through 1986. It is always hard for me to see the place the way it is but I have today off yet from work and going to take a walk in a few minutes over at Kinsey. Also take a few pictures.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-26-2011, 10:01
Walking through the Plant it hard not to notice some of the fire waring stuff still in the plant.
1. Back Water Tower for fire fighting.
2. Pyrotronics panel on warehouse Q the fire observation room building at the high point of the plant.
3. Inside of the Pyrotronics panel, there were at lease 10 of these all over the plant on warehouse docks in the fire house and in the big bottling house.
4. Fire Sprinklers on top of the back 1/2 million gal tank middle of the plant.
5. Double set of Fire sprinklers on top on the other 1/2 million gal front side tank in the middle of the plant.

There is a master panel in the old Kinsey Fire house that monitors the whole plant and I have seen these on Warehouse Q, P, and the big bottle house plus other warehouses around the plant. Cal Roberts and his helpers Harry Martin and Stan Stafoniwitz would monitor these every day while running hydrents and other duties.

One of the things I was always proud of working there, was the fact there were NO FIRES AT KINSEY WHEN IT OPERATED! Even when the Old DSP-pa-12 was running it was the safest Distillery in the world at the time Continental Distilling operated it from fall 1940 through till the end in Fall 1986. Also there were never any fires when Mr Kinsey operated it from 1892 through 1939.

The reason - Because People cared and were careful everyday long before companies started counting days without loss we were safe and operating wide open.

The people who engineered stuff and the Plant bosses really had their act togther those days. Our Best Engineer was Joe Trish and He spent most of his time in Phila but he lived in Phoenixville 10 miles from Kinsey and did all the important engineering at Kinsey also, it was Joe who engineered the detension basin around the two 1/2 million gal storage tanks, and it was Joe who engineered the Potato Project in Phila, the making of Potato flour at Publicker at the end of WWII to feed the starving at wars end.

Publicker was always ready for the action and all the years except the last few after Mr Neuman died, were filled with R&D Ideas many of which today are considered State Of Art. People try to say they invented them like the floaters in barrels that Makers mark did Last year. Continental did their first Floaters in 1962 and I have posted one of the pieces of Letterhead about that on my writing here.

As you can see I am still very proud to have worked for in my opinion The Greatest Distiller in History and the biggest in its time!
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dave ziegler
05-16-2011, 10:52
Well this saturday was a very busy one as 3 Times I took people through Kinsey for tours! First I took Mike, Then Sunday after Church I took Ethen and his wife, aand finally I took 5 people from my church who live near the plant and have always wanted to go in and look! I could hardly walk after the last trip in but what great fun and on to trips got some pictures inside buildings that had been broken open and told my friends so they could secure the area's for the safety of Very young people that walk in there.

Here are some Fire Observation roon shots.
1. Fire room standing on the roof.
2. Looking down the sealed shaft that is in the top bucker on the fire roon the floor fell in when the build had a fire many years ago.
3. Tower Room from the ground.
4. Looking out the back door of the observation room to roof and edge of roof.
5. Looking in the old top bunker room showing no floor and window and heat radiator on wall. Thankfully the door is breoken and will not open as walking in there in the dark would be the last walk you ever took as the shaft is sealed all the way down to the ground.
6. Whats left of the Fire observation room
7. Melted glass on the window sill where it ran out of the windows due to the heat from the fire.
8. Shot through Window Frame
9. shot of the fire room
10. Another shot of the room
11. Sign at door to roof from front stairwell.
12. Shot form roof to back of Plant.

I always enjoy the view of the Plant from the Fire Observation room on the high spot of the plant on Explosion proof warehouse Q.
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dave ziegler
06-10-2011, 09:45
Well I am back been dealing with some health stuff but doing great now and I have stuff I have not Posted yet from May. But as many of You know I go to the WWII week end every year in Reading and dress as a Col. and B-29 Pilot as my Father was a B-29 Tail Gunner in WWII. So here is one of My Pictures just for Fun from the show of me with The Manhaten Dolls at the show. And some Kinsey pictures
1. Me with the Dolls
2. I saved this old wooden side from a box that once held a metal worm used to move grain from the grain Process building at Kinsey to the DSP#12 Still. It says Kinsey Distilling company Linfield pa. Most likely the part was used around the mid to late 1940's
3. Old Kinsey Fire Fighting Tank of the Old Presured water type.

I have more Pictures to post and will post the Picture of the Old Whiskey Thief that we found in the ruins of the Old Kinsey Bottle house which was used till 1979 to make and bottle Liquors! I will put the picture of the whiskey thief in the Memories thread today if I have time. Felt so good Last night I broke out the Last of My Old Hickory 80 for a nice sip or two.
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dave ziegler
06-14-2011, 12:47
When Ethan was with me at Kinsey he got between the door and wall and got a couple of shots inside Warehouse H the last warehouse Jacob G Kinsey ever built in 1936 at 78 years Old.
Here are some Pictures taken for me by Ethan as I could not get between the door as it has a large rock holding it very close. It was this warehouse H where a Friend saw a place where My Dad had written Ziggy was here 1952, on one of the wooden racks but Ethan could not find it when he went in.

1. & 2. Racks in warehouse H
3. The wall where the freight elevator used to be
4. The front of what was the freight Elavator no smoking sign
5. Racks falling down in front of where the Freight elevator was.

It was in one of these Old Elevators in Warehouse E of these a trick was played on me when I started in the warehouses after 2 1/2 years in the yard gang. I went out of the elevator for a couple of seconds in that time someone I know who loaded one extra barrel past capasity so when I flipped the switch to go down I went straight down hitting hard on the lower level. I can still remember how hard the hitting hurt my back from the jolt!
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G.H.Adams
06-14-2011, 21:17
Dave, it's a shame that this countries whiskey heritage is slowly rotting away instead of being preserved for future generations. Thanks for all you have done. I have enjoyed your posts about the past a great deal.

dave ziegler
06-15-2011, 10:00
Dave, it's a shame that this countries whiskey heritage is slowly rotting away instead of being preserved for future generations. Thanks for all you have done. I have enjoyed your posts about the past a great deal.
Greg thanks for your comments I love the Old Place and The Company even though it is Long gone. In the Old days Pa was a powerhouse for great Bourbons and Rye's. Our Rittenhouse Rye when we Made it was the Best Rye I have ever tasted. Old Hickory to me was the Best Bourbon made back in the day! BE Well Greg and again thanks for your feed back it helps to incourage me to continue my work so Publicker / Continental Distilling / and Kinsey are never forgotten.
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G.H.Adams
06-16-2011, 21:44
Dave

I was born in Ohio and raised in West Virginia. I moved to New Mexico when I was 26. I remember that my uncle always had a bottle of Old Hickory that he drank. One day I found his glass and took a sip. Needless to say it came right back up and my uncle thought it was funny but my mom did not. My uncle had a drinking problem. He got up in the morning with bourbon and went to bed with it.

I wish I lived close to you as I like to explore old ghost towns and mines. I would love to go with you to the old distilleries.

Jono
06-20-2011, 12:57
Terrific photo Dave of you and "the Dolls". You look the part and if it was black and white a period photo.

dave ziegler
06-27-2011, 04:39
I Did something I have not done for a long time now,walked around Kinsey late evening last night while my friends closed up all the buildings! The same movie making group that came last year to rent the place came back again this past weekend. They are called Northern Lights sure would like to see that movie! They use Paintball guns that look just like the real models.

I took a picture of open gates I will post later this week. I also went into the 1966 Bottle House to see what that rotten guy who pretended he was going to buy the place stole. All the Pumps are missing their stainless heads 3 200 gal stainless tanks are gone from one of the incoming Tank platforms and even the retaining fence is cut off. I wish Him the most terrible fortune that can come to him money wise for what He did to Kinsey.

Glad I got the Pictures I did the last couple of years in there of how things were layed out. I took a couple of Pictures of what is gone, but my camera was acting up flash not wanting to work. I also went into Warehouse J and took pictures of what is left of the piles of barnd new never used Bottles and cases!

Walking out I looked back and just wondered why this had to happen to Kinsey!

If anyone knows anything about this movie making group let me know, the new movie is I think called apoplas II.
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

cigarnv
06-27-2011, 06:57
Dave, great posts.

I grew up in Philly about 4 blocks from the Kasser distillery at 3rd and Luzerne... what do you know if anything about them? Several folks in the neighborhood worked there until the day it closed. They were located right next to a large rail yard where we played as kids...

dave ziegler
07-04-2011, 17:48
First off Cargnv I sure do remember Kasser and will Tell you when you drank Kasser blendeds and straights you were drinking Publicker Whiskys of varing types. We supplied them with Whiskey for many years.

Well today is the 4th of July and I went back to Kinsey today on a tip I could finnaly go into what is left of Warehouse H the last one Kinsey ever built!

Here are some shots in there, after many years wanting to get back in after saving the old fire fighting drill papers. Now I finnaly got to get some pictures. Here we go back into time, to the Last Warehouse Jacob G Kinsey ever built in the year 1936!

1. Warehouse H
2. Well I found the Place were my Dad put his nickname Zig this was pure JOY for me
3.Inside the old freight Elevater. Red place on back right wall was a Fire extinguser used to Hang
4.Elevater controls, top button up, lower button down sliding safety switch and sliding elevater Light bottom switch
5. Looking down through the first level
6. Front of Elevater
7. This was one of Bonda Bergeys favorite Warehouses to get Choice drinking Whiskey and here is his Name on the up right, most likely it marked a row he got whiskey from. Bonda was the truck traffic director
8. This is the space you had to fit in to roll barrels out of two sets of racks better be thin.
9. Fallen down racks Fire Extingusers still hanging on the wall for each level
10. Another shot of the Racks
11. Closeup of the Hanging Exstingusers
12. Another shot inside the Elevater
13.Old Explosion Proof Plugin
14. Joe Kuterbach's name on rafter
15. Another shot of the space you crawled in the roll barrels out of the racks
16.Joe Kuterbach again and below bearly readable 10 L. Dist for Number 10 Pa Distillery!
17. Old no Smoking sign on Elevater
18. Last shot of the Old Freight Elevater boy do I remember these in all the old Kinsey buildings and taking the safey off one day pushing the button and going straight down hitting bottom because Bobby Had put one two many Barrels on when I had my back turned doing something else!
19. Outside Warehouse Switches
20. Looking up at the Old Elevater top Green on outside.

So there is your trip with me back into time into the only Old Kinsey warehouse you can walk in a little ways Building H. I most likely will never get in there again so took my time leaving as I thought of my First days on the warehouse gangs! I love those Old Brick and Wooden warehouses and it was in Warehouse E that I saw the Early 1950's barrels of Whiskey that would be used for the 20 yr anniversary Old Hickory we made! Most Likely they were Distilled at DSP-pa-12. KINSEY. It was warehouse E out front by the road that I went straight down in the Elevater to, sadly you can not walk in it at all anymore.

PS I will be posting some other Plant pictures and some rare Continental Letter Head in the other two threads this week.
Dave Z
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ethangsmith
07-05-2011, 16:14
Where was the "ZIG" on the wood? I couldn't find it the day I squeezed in there. Did someone move the rock so you could get in?

timd
07-06-2011, 10:11
Phenomenal historical overview. Fascinating to see these pictures and read your memories.

Thanks much for sharing!

dave ziegler
07-08-2011, 12:27
Where was the "ZIG" on the wood? I couldn't find it the day I squeezed in there. Did someone move the rock so you could get in?
Ethan you had to look at the cross beams walking out about 3 feet from the end. I was sure glad to get in with a camera as 4 years ago when I squeezed in with the boulder at the door I did not have my camera and I grabed all the fire drill papers. Since then it has been closed. The guys that watch the Place told me and they can not figure how someone ever moved that heavy rock but it gave me a chance in there. I had to Hold the wall with my right arm and reach my camera in the Elevator and shoot with out seeing what I was shooting as the Floor is compelety gone there.

I am going back this weekend to get some more pictures and look at whats left of it.
Dave Z -- It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
07-11-2011, 04:50
First thanks for the Kind words Timd On Saturday I went back to Kinsey Warehouse H and got some good things to save and more pictures here are some of them. Here are 5 of the Pictures I took as can only put so many on each time. There will be more on the other two threads later today hopefully

1. Sign inside elevater says Reading Elevater Company.
2. A closeup of the Controls for the Elevater Top button up next one down flip switch for safety which holds the elevater and the light switch.
3. Inside the switch as I took the box home to save it for History.
4. Here is the control panel put back together for displace for History at Kinsey East my place.
5. A shot of the heavy cables that pulled the Elevater up and down.

Warehouse H was the last one built by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936 at the age of 78 years old. Ludy was working at Kinsey when this warehouse was built.
Warehouse H unlike the other big Wood & Brick warehouses did not have any ladders to climb up you had to ride the freight up to the level you wanted.
The building had 5 levels and each was divided in lettered sections each separate section had 3 racks of barrels, from my information from Ludy Warehouse H held 20,000 barrels.

I have always loved this warehouse as when I worked there it was the newest of the old ones and was in great condition in the late 1960's. I am very sad to see it falling down inside.
On a note something I had really never thought about there was only one way to go in or get out of H the door I went in. We would use a small electric Lift pluged into the Explosion proof plugs like the one I posted last time in this building. The Lift would be taken with one person up to the floor you were taking barrels out and you would stand a certain amount of barrels in the freight elevater and run them down flip them and roll them to your left and then some one would push them out the metal door to the dock and onto one of the 1941 Ford Flat trucks to be taken to one of the Explosion proof warehouses where another gang of Men would unload them and dump them in lot order!
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America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
07-17-2011, 16:59
Saturday I went back to Kinsey and warehouse H and the 1966 bottling house. I met Ethan his wife and his friend steve and I took them for another trip through Kinsey!
Here are some Picture and I got them to take a couple of me in the Plant since I had them there to do it.
1. Looking down through level one.
2. Here I am in Warehouse H pointing out my Dads nickname written on the Beam - Zig
3. Well here I am 42 years later in the racks but there are No Barrels.
4. " GOIN UP" Here I am in the Old Reading Freight Elevator but it is going nowhere!

I have many more pictures from this trip and lots of the ones Sandie sent me yet to post on all 3 of my threads this week. And I sure did fell 42 years older in there.
Dave Z -- It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Pieface
07-17-2011, 18:44
Is that a not so subtle subliminal message in photo 2 Dave?

Still reading these threads Dave. They really are a fascinating view into the past. Thanks for your efforts to record and post.

Morgan :)

ethangsmith
07-17-2011, 19:03
Ha! I was waiting for the "Going Up" post! What you don't see in the first photo is my friend Steve falling through the floor. I was doing pretty well at missing the soft spots in the floor and Steve was following me. Then I hear 'crunch' and "OUCH" and I see Steve in the floor up to his shoulders. Luckily there was dirt floor a few feet below so he was able to boost himself back up and out. He's ok but his ribs hurt him a bit. I got him some Advil on the way home so hopefully he's back up to speed in a few days. Unfortunately bumps and bruises are one of the risks you take when you explore places like Kinsey!

dave ziegler
07-18-2011, 13:48
Ethan I guess us older guys are more careful sometimes! Here are some more pictures from Sat July 16.
1. Are Old Safety Sign in the 1966 Bottle House hangs waiting for work to begin. For your Safety Everything in its place!

2. The other side says Good Attendance a top performace, Quality on The Job.
3. Here is the Old Lab Refridgerator with old food on the bottom and an ice bag that was never used still in the Freezer! Everything waiting for the Next Day that never came to sit guard over a place that sits waiting saying where are my workers they never came back!
4. A Look arcoss the 1966 Bottling House.
5. Old Machines at the beginning of Line B-2
6. Upper Line that carried the cases above the bottles being filled
7. And Here I am working One of the Lines!

When I think of Kinsey I think Those were the days My Friend I thought they would never end.

Yet in Sept 1986 One day everyone went home only to come back the next to find the place sealed and gone forever.

Kinsey Oh Kinsey What have Men Done To You
For 94 Years You Were Revered and now you sit and rot
Does The ghost of Jacob G Kinsey walk your grounds
Where have Your Workers Gone!

I will Always love your grounds and the People that made you great, The Coopers like Ludy and Bud Bergey, The Lead men Like John Zuber and Shorty Keller and Jack Razor and the Maintance men such as Shorty Tyson, Frank Kurtas and Lou Steify.
They will never be forgotten because they made Kinsey Distillery and Continental Distilling Great!

Dave Z == It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
07-22-2011, 13:22
Well here are the last I can find of the Pictures Sandie sent me of Kinsey Operating.
1. This truck was there from the Company in Ohio that was buying small barrels as fast as they could dump them. Canton Wood Products.
2. Labeling Liquor bottles in the HH Haappy House the Old Kinsey Bottle House.

3. Sandie and Our Fire Chief Calvin Roberts! Sandie told me in her notes that looking below them you see barrel staves from the 365 gal barrels and that is what they were the 340 gal number was a mistake during the writting.

Boy the memories are amazing looking at all these pictures. Seeing people I worked with at Kinsey back in the day. I worked there from age 19 and all these years later I still have some living friends I met there.

When you walked into the Big 1966 Bottling house the very first thing you thought was boy is this place BIG 2 football fields long and a 1/2 plus football field wide! Then you looked at the 11 lines all running at the same time and the cases of Spirits rolling through the last wall bulkhead and being put on Pallets and it was quite a sight. "State Of The Art"

Then There was the early computerized Line A-1-F it could do 40,000 bottles a day and think about it Computerized in 1966! And all you did was supply it! It even boxed the bottles when they were full! Granted it was an old time style computer but new then and the latest, what a feat.
And all the People 600 in 1966.


The sweet smells of Whiskey being bottled, and the precision of how the plant ran. You walked in looked around and as you stood there looking it hit you THIS IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST MODERN SPIRITS BOTTLING HOUSE IN THE WORLD. As a young guy I was in awe!

Then here was the smooth droning of the bottling machines, cleaning filling and sealing, and labeling bottles of some of the Finest Whiskeys ever made.

Hall of Fame Whiskeys such as Old Hickory 80 proof 6 yr, Old Hickory 86 proof 10 yr old and Old Hickory BIB 100 proof.
Number two was Hallers County Fair BIB 100 proof 6 or 4 yr old.
And Charter Oak straight BIB Bourbon.
And so many more uncountable brands including Our Lolita line of Liquors.

Then there was for my young eyes to see the Old Kinsey warehouses, The Old DSP-pa-12 and # 10 rye barn and all the state of art 14 explosion proof warehouses and so much more.
-- If you have not looked on the other two threads there are more of these working plant pictures there also!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-09-2011, 12:51
Well with a little research which most likely alot of you folks in the Midwest knew, I discovered why Canton Wood products bought all the whiskey barrels that Kinsey had when Publicker stopped filling barrels with whiskey in 1980. I went on the web with the name on the old truck there at Kinsey and discovered they are a very large cooperage company.

Sandie told me that 90 + % of the barrels at Kinsey back in the closing days went to Canton and they had their trailers and that semi truck there to move them.

Having worked there I know how dirty a job it is to bundle up used whiskey barrels for shipment! You are covered with the black char after a days work and all your clothes are black from it and wet from whiskey still in the bottom of the barrel.

Also you were dealing with those giant 365 gal barrels if you saw the picture of them I posted. I left the notes of weights of the heads and staves at home and will post later.

Warehouse work was not for Pretty boys it was hard dirty work but with a great final product great whiskeys and Ours were some of the Best of best!
Dave Z
It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
08-25-2011, 19:40
Sitting here tonight drinking something very special given me from my friend last summer who was in charge of marketing for Continantal Distilling back in the day!
Time Old Armagnac 30 year old Brandy, its says 30 years aged in Oak in France and bottled in France 82 proof and boy is it good! It is about 60 years old and I wish I had a case of it.

We had so many unusual products back then and time has only impoved it.
There has never been and never will be again a company like Publicker they had spirits for everyone no matter what the product we had it and it was good!

Times like this I wish I had a thousand cases and could ship them to everyone on the sight so they too could enjoy these amazing spirits.

I am very Happy to have this bottle of Brandy and will enjoy every drop, I only have a little less then half of the bottle left but I shall enjoy every drop.
I lift a toast to everyone on this sight may your days be great and may your nights be better then that!
Dave Z
PS wish all of you could go back in time with me to take you through the place back in the day.
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ethangsmith
08-25-2011, 19:48
I almost got a full bottle of Rittenhouse off EBay yesterday but got outbid with 1 second left. It was a green label BIB from the 1960's. Looked like good, dark whiskey! As a side note, I just got a 2 foot tall cardboard Philadelphia Whisky advertisement. It's going to need some help since it's torn in a few places, but I plan on fixing it as much as possible.

ratcheer
08-25-2011, 19:53
Sitting here tonight drinking something very special given me from my friend last summer who was in charge of marketing for Continantal Distilling back in the day!
Time Old Armagnac 30 year old Brandy, its says 30 years aged in Oak in France and bottled in France 82 proof and boy is it good! It is about 60 years old and I wish I had a case of it.



Dave, that reminds me of something I once read about Winston Churchill. He very frequently drank a bottle (!!) of extra aged (like, 100 years old) French brandy as he was reading, writing, and retiring for the night. I suppose that's great, if you can afford it.

Tim

dave ziegler
08-28-2011, 18:39
Dave, that reminds me of something I once read about Winston Churchill. He very frequently drank a bottle (!!) of extra aged (like, 100 years old) French brandy as he was reading, writing, and retiring for the night. I suppose that's great, if you can afford it.

Tim

Tim I am very fortunate to have been given this bottle and it is so good it is all but gone. I was to get another one but my friend who was high up in Marketing for Publicker is sick right now and most likely will not get to pa from Ca till next year.

There is nothing like a vintage Whiskey or Brandy, for me everything old is better!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-15-2011, 10:38
On Monday afternoon I took Mike who lived behind the Plant when he was a kid for a tour again through Kinsey and got a few nice Pictures, I started at the Old Kinsey Bottling house, then Warehouse H and then into the 1966 Bottle house. I had permission so we were able to go in some places.
Here are some pictures
1.Old Wooden Platforms in the Kinsey #10 Rye Building still standing. This is where for many years Rittenhouse Rye was made.
2. Stenciling on upright about the Local union doing unloading.
3. Quick Aged Whisky stenciled on wood up right in #10 Rye Barn
4. What is left of the Old Post prohibition Kinsey Bottling House where all Continental Distilling Liquors where made till 1979 when the company stopped bottling spirits.
5. The door to the Power room in the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle House.
6. The old Kinsey Security shack at Kinsey moved off its base many years ago.
7. Inside what is left of the old Security shack.
8. The Alarm system in the Old security Shack.

It gets more painful everytime I go to Kinsey but I never know what I can save for History. I got a complete roof explosion proof Light assembly from the Old Bottle House this last trip as someone had taken it down it to steal for scrap it is now saved for History at Kinsey west!
Every time I walk through I think of the People of Kinsey, Ludy just turned 93 Monday I called him and sang Happy Kinsey Birthday to him!

I offten think of my Good long departed Friend Albert Rhoads and my Old Boss John Zuber!
Kinsey was a great place to work and Publicker/Continental Distilling was a great Company.
I will be posting some more pictures from inside the 1966 Bottling house on The My Memory thread soon!

It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
Dave Z

dave ziegler
10-11-2011, 10:36
Thinking today about the Fire Observation room and what a great idea and safety thing it was. How Many companies in the 1940's would have thought or spent the money to build this room on one of the explosion proof warehouses at the high point of the Plant.
When they bought Kinsey Publicker went to work building the 14 explosion proof warehouses which were built from 1946/1947 and the Building that became the 1966 Bottling House was built in 1951 as warehouse U and made into the worlds largest Bottling house starting to be built inside in 1963/64.

The whole time this was going on in the early 1940's they were also putting sprinklers in every single one of the Old Kinsey buildings, even the maintaince barn. It was alot of work putting sprinkler pipes in all of the old Kinsey wood and brick warehouses, but it payed off in the fact there was never a fire in any of them, and even though abandon and are falling down while Publicker was there everything was always kept up.

Having worked in the yard gang I saw everything that was done on a daily basis to keep the place safe and well kept. Who would ever think that Si Neuman would die so suddenly in 1976 and the people that took it over would run it out of bussiness 10 years after his death 1986.

When I worked there I always thought as long as Si Neuman was in charge Kinsey and Publicker would continue. And in my heart I believe if he had not passed there would be a brand new giant still there today operating and that the plant would have gone on. Si Neuman above everyone else Loved that Plant and place. It was The Park like, beautiful Distillery on the River! In the companies first broshure He speaks of His Beautiful Kinsey Distillery in Montgomery County Pa. on the river.
Dave Ziegler
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unclebunk
10-11-2011, 10:49
Thinking today about the Fire Observation room and what a great idea and safety thing it was. How Many companies in the 1940's would have thought or spent the money to build this room on one of the explosion proof warehouses at the high point of the Plant.
When they bought Kinsey Publicker went to work building the 14 explosion proof warehouses which were built from 1946/1947 and the Building that became the 1966 Bottling House was built in 1951 as warehouse U and made into the worlds largest Bottling house starting to be built inside in 1963/64.

The whole time this was going on in the early 1940's they were also putting sprinklers in every single one of the Old Kinsey buildings, even the maintaince barn. It was alot of work putting sprinkler pipes in all of the old Kinsey wood and brick warehouses, but it payed off in the fact there was never a fire in any of them, and even though abandon and are falling down while Publicker was there everything was always kept up.

Having worked in the yard gang I saw everything that was done on a daily basis to keep the place safe and well kept. Who would ever think that Si Neuman would die so suddenly in 1976 and the people that took it over would run it out of bussiness 10 years after his death 1986.

When I worked there I always thought as long as Si Neuman was in charge Kinsey and Publicker would continue. And in my heart I believe if he had not passed there would be a brand new giant still there today operating and that the plant would have gone on. Si Neuman above everyone else Loved that Plant and place. It was The Park like, beautiful Distillery on the River! In the companies first broshure He speaks of His Beautiful Kinsey Distillery in Montgomery County Pa. on the river.
Dave Ziegler
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Nice post, Dave. Wish I could have seen the place in its heyday. It really must have been something to behold.

dave ziegler
10-27-2011, 11:02
I am back been sick again with the Shingles and not going on line much. Two weeks ago I walked around Kinsey just looking at the ruin of it all. Here are a couple of Pictures of Stenciled writting on the Barrel Elevator in Warehouse K which was open that day.
1.!0-5-1954 with the old Brewery workers Union Logo
2. Smitty Worked Here,Glen Smith the Government man one of the Nicest People you could ever meet!
3. More stencil testing on the wall list of dates 1954.

Walking around I just could hardly come to grips how bad the Place is, I keep saying to my self say it isn't So. Every Building leaking last of the barrels falling apart and Vandels destroying the Place. Having started work there back in sept 1966 it seems so unreal. I keep looking to see stuff going on in my mind. last night I dreamed I was with Jack Rayser and we were looking for Nickname Bookie William Haring his nick name because He ran horse bets for us at lunch time! The Place looked like the old days and when I woke up we had been looking for time cards of all things.
Dave Z
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America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

Jono
10-27-2011, 11:06
An old Anglo Saxon poem...The Ruin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ruin

"This masonry is wondrous; fates broke it
courtyard pavements were smashed; the work of giants is decaying.
Roofs are fallen, ruinous towers,
the frosty gate with frost on cement is ravaged,
chipped roofs are torn, fallen,
undermined by old age. The grasp of the earth possesses
the mighty builders, perished and fallen,
the hard grasp of earth, until a hundred generations
of people have departed. Often this wall,
lichen-grey and stained with red, experienced one reign after another,
remained standing under storms; the high wide gate has collapsed.
Still the masonry endures in winds cut down
persisted on__________________
fiercely sharpened________ _________
______________ she shone_________
_____________g skill ancient work_________
_____________g of crusts of mud turned away
spirit mo________yne put together keen-counselled
a quick design in rings, a most intelligent one bound
the wall with wire brace wondrously together.
Bright were the castle buildings, many the bathing-halls,
high the abundance of gables, great the noise of the multitude,
many a meadhall full of festivity,
until Fate the mighty changed that.
Far and wide the slain perished, days of pestilence came,
death took all the brave men away;
their places of war became deserted places,
the city decayed. The rebuilders perished,
the armies to earth. And so these buildings grow desolate,
and this red-curved roof parts from its tiles
of the ceiling-vault. The ruin has fallen to the ground
broken into mounds, where at one time many a warrior,
joyous and ornamented with gold-bright splendour,
proud and flushed with wine shone in war-trappings;
looked at treasure, at silver, at precious stones,
at wealth, at prosperity, at jewellery,
at this bright castle of a broad kingdom.
The stone buildings stood, a stream threw up heat
in wide surge; the wall enclosed all
in its bright bosom, where the baths were,
hot in the heart. That was convenient.
Then they let pour_______________
hot streams over grey stone.
un___________ _____________
until the ringed sea (circular pool?) hot
_____________where the baths were.
Then is_______________________
__________re, that is a noble thing,
to the house__________ castle_______"

dave ziegler
11-04-2011, 09:33
Lets say it is a typical start of the day at Kinsey in Early Nov 1969 6:45 AM. I would walk down through where the big metal gates are now, they were not there when I started there. Turn to My Right and walk past the Old Kinsey maintaince Barn built by Jake Kinsey. Turn to the left and go in the Ferrmenter area of Old DSP-Pa-12 to ring in at the Time clock.

Next go down the old stairs to the tunnel where my Locker was, put on my coveralls and Work shoes. In the winter we were always given WWII Sub Zero army surplus coats. Way different the ones today they were light green Sueded heavy coats and I wish I had my old one now! They had giant zippers and were very durable. One thing 90% of us always wore was either an Old Time Style Engineers hat of Welders cap, the old blue stripped ones. They were worn because of the Rust and dirt in the racks that would get in you hair if you did not wear a hat. We got all our stuff at a discount at the Old Workmens supply in down town Pottstown because we worked at Publicker. Publicker gave us our Coveralls and coats and we got a big discount on work shoes through Publicker if you went to workmens supply.

We would sit till starting time and I would listen to the old timers talk about Kinsey through the years, or I would sneak off and explore the still building if I was early there.

Once it was starting time when I was in the yard gang our boss John Zuber would tell each of us what we were doing that day and take us in the Old blue 1947 flat head six cylinder ford pickup to our work area if it was far. Could be doing a last hand mowing of the lawns if it snowed shoveling and cleaning walk ways, or just hauling stuff to the dump down near the river.

One Nov we were given the job of sweeping out all the back explosion proof warehouses fire escape stair wells. What a mess dead Pidgeons and lots of dust and no masks those days we were blowing dirt out of our noses for a week. We did not complain we were thankful we had a great job that paid well! Sometimes a rail car of Coal would come in for the boilers and our job was to unload it. You would climb into the car and knock lose as much sticking coal you could till you could just reach the top of the rail car wall to get back out on the outside car ladder. That was the one Job I Hated!

Sometimes we would haul bronken glass down to the dump or as I have spoken of before gone in a certain building to clean it for use. I still remember fondly going into the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottling house to clean the floors and equipment for the girls to come over and start bottling Liqours.
The old bottle house and the Still were my alltime favorite buildings! The Ladies always called the Old Bottle house HAPPY HOUSE mostly because they could sneak a drink there easier.

Another job we had on the yard gang was hauling the metal Barrel racks away from the warehouses they were being torn down in. We would take them down to the Old steer pens going to the river and put then under cover there in sections on the Old Wagon pulled by an 8-n ford tractor.

I want to just let people know what the every day life was working there while I am here to tell it. I hope this has been enjoyable I am going to talk about working in the warehouses on my Memories thread.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-10-2011, 10:22
Days Like today in fall, cool and breezy were always nice at The Kinsey Distillery. Clear Crisp Breezes from the river coming up through the Plant. On a Nov 10 back in the day we would be dumping as much as possible for the coming Holidays. The Lead men would have lists of Dumpings for each gang and the 3 old Red 1941 Ford Flat trucks would be litterly flying back and forth hauling Barrels from warehouses that had no dump Trough to ones that did.
We would travel from every warehouse on our list pulling barrels and dumping them or loading them on the trucks. I remember seeing one time one of the drivers went to fast and one Barrel fell off one of the flat trucks landing on its side. Amazingly it did not break and was lifted back up on the truck.

During the Months of early Oct and Nov it was dump, dump and more dump.
When I was in the yard gang we would have a list of dump sites for the next week and we would go and sweep the floor all around the troughs that dumping was going happen. We would also dump the old char out of the trough Screens into trash barrels.

Nov and Dec were very exciting months and good days at Continental Distillings (Kinsey Distillery).
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dave ziegler
11-14-2011, 11:14
Here are a couple of shots in what is left of Happy House the Old Kinsey Bottle House where every Liquor we ever made was bottled till Sept 1979.
1. Rod climbed over the pile of bricks to see what the Old door sticking out of the burned down Plant office went to and we discovered it is an Empty Vault room with the handle that worked steel bars to lock it. Most likely kept cash and pay money back in Kinsey days in there.
2. & 3. Lookind down from both sides what is now left of the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottling house.
4. The Door to what was the power room in the Old Bottle House.
5. & 6. The old treated water tank and its capacity 3100 gals. Vandels have stolen all the pipes and anything else they could. The little powerhouse of a Liquor bottling house once had 3 Mighty Lines doing all the Liquors that ever came out from Continental Distilling!
7. & 8. The old cationic and anotonic tanks and filter tank shot in Sepia and then in color.

I will keep visting the Old Building as long as it stands for the fond memories of sweeping the floors for the girls from the big bottle house to make and bottle liquor's when I was in the Yard gang so many years ago around 44 years ago.
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dave ziegler
11-18-2011, 10:35
Here are some more shots from Last Sunday!

1. Old Jacob G Kinsey Warehouse B built 1892 says Continental Distilling Warehouse B
2. More rotting Barrels Kinsey Warehouse F
3. Warehouse F Old Barrels
4.,5,6. Warehouse P
7.,8. Old Bottling Machine O warehouse
9. Weird barrel warehouse P

I hope to go back to Kinsey this weekend to explore some more and get more pictures of what has happen to the place.
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dave ziegler
12-02-2011, 18:14
Just scaned two pieces of new paper work I got at Kinsey both are about our barrel plant in Markus Hook Pa the Knebb barrel works the company when they bought it in the 1940's I think, kept the original name as they supplied many other distillers with barrels, there and our barrel cooperage plant in St Louis MO.
1.Inspection report for barrels.
2. Barrels to be sold.

The Knebb barrel works was one of the earliest barrel makers. Sadly when Publicker/Continental Distilling and Kinsey went under so did the Knebb Barrel works. Ludy went to the Knebb Barrel plant to go to cooperage school and learned to build barrels and put them togther. To graduate he built a 6 gal barrel which he still has.
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dave ziegler
12-16-2011, 09:38
So far Exploring the Plant I have found at least 7 places where Pyrotronics warning lights were used, one at the power room in the bottling house one in the incoming room one in the old fire house and serveral units on warehouse docks.

With all the explosions they had in phila when they built The modern Explosion proof warehouses at Kinsey they also made every Building as fire proof as possible in the 1940's.
Also in the Old Secruity Shack there is a unit for Security to monitor. I will always be proud to Have worked there and Lament that the man who bought the place destroyed it by walking away. This morning one of my friends in electronics where I work and I talked about the old Place and he told me if the Man would have kept things closed and protected it would not matter how many years it sat the sealed explosion proof boxes would be able to be turned on. Sadly the guy just left everything to be opened and robbed of wires meaning none of the Old warehouses will ever light up or be used again. It is heart breaking for me.
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dave ziegler
01-27-2012, 10:30
Well it is to be a Nice weekend and I think I may just go to the Plant on Sunday afternoon.
Been thinking about all the people who worked there and how much product we made in the 13 years the Bottle House ran. When It opened it was a thing of great beauty and very High tec. Now it is just a memory in my Mind of what it was. Back in the late 1960's People thought wow you work for Publicker you should be proud because they were the Biggest employer in Limerick Township and one of the very best paying jobs around. In Dec of 1969 I was clearing $101.20 a week big money for those days. And I will give you an example of how good they paid, in 1979 I was driving a truck for $3.00 an Hour for Pottstown Plating where I worked 18 years Hating the Place, people working at Kinsey in 1979 were making around $7.50 an hour and up. I was paying for leaving there when I did because My neigbor talked me into going where He worked which was horrible too!

Publicker was a great company and I was lucky as a young man to have worked there in the glory days of the Plant.

During the winter Cal Roberts and Harry Martin the fireman at the Plant would travel all through the Plant opening Hydrants to make sure they were not frozen Stan stafoniwitz was also a member of the Fire man at Kinsey. They would check every Hydrant on the property and run the Old Mack Fire truck around at least once a week. We had our own fuel pump up front and it was Sinclair Dino Gas back then! I now work in one of the Safest Chemical Plants in the world and when I look back the Linfield Publicker Plant was then one of the Safest ones for that time.
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dave ziegler
03-15-2012, 07:55
On Sunday I walked around Kinsey for the first time in months, and it was heart breaking. I walked up through and found that once again one of the most neat Warehouses ,Warehouse Q the one with the Fire Observation tower has suffered again. When the Rotten man who owns the Plant was using it while Publicker was there had a large square Hole put in the lower wall and another bulding to move warehoused stuff in and out.

However instead of putting a door He just put a large square wooden rack wall just pushed in and nailed. Well now not only does the building have the hole up on the third floor from vandals having set a fire, it has a big open hole in the lower wall to make the building get ever more weak. Why it had to happen to the Fire tower building I don't know but I am going this weekend to get some Pictures.

It appears to me that Kinsey's day are numbered by all these years of letting everything go by this Terrible man who owns the place.

If Mr Neuman saw this he would turn over in his grave seeing His Beautiful Distillery on the river, as stated in the Companies first Brosure when they went on the stock market.

Mr Neuman made trips up at least 2 or 3 times a month to look things over and this is just so Sad.
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dave ziegler
03-18-2012, 13:12
Well we had a nice day at Kinsey yesterday and I will be posting pictures on all 3 threads. Here are six of the Pictures taken in the Old #10 Rye Barn and the Old Kinsey Grain Silo.
1. Quick Aged still on the suport post in the Old Dsp-pa-10 Rye Barn
2. Another qucik aged on a old Falling Beam in te barn.
3,4,5 All shots in the Old Large Kinsey Grain Silo. The weeds were dead and I was able to climb in.
6. An Old Weather Proof switch in the Silo from the 1930's

We hd a great ime and when I get to the Memories gthread I have a couple of Fun shots for there. I am going to post pictures in all 3 threads.
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ethangsmith
03-18-2012, 13:37
...can't wait to see the barrel rolling action shot at the elevator and the group photo...

dave ziegler
03-27-2012, 10:36
When I was at Kinsey on Sat past weekend I was very sadened to see how bad Q warehouse has gotten. Now that the wooden wall insert Put in by the man who owns the place has fallen out the building has not only that hole in the wall, but the one punched in by the fire company many years ago on the third floor to put out a fire started by vandels in old Corn whiskey barrels that were on that floor. It got so hot that the glass in the windows of the Fire tower melted and ran down the walls. Warehouse Q was special because not only did the room in the Tower act as a watch place to look around the plant, since it sits on the High point of the Kinsey Plant.

The tower room also was used to test fading on Whiskey labels. They would put groups up on the sills for the Sun to shine on them to see how they held up.

Publicker was always trying their best to make the Best Whiskeys at prices the working man could afford. we were always trying new things such as the Wooden floaters as we called them, in barrels started in the early 1960's long before Makers Mark did the toasted sticks thing.

It is a sad story writting about the end Of Publicker and If Mr Neuman had Lived it is my belief there would have been a brand new Still built at Kinsey, there was much talk of it back then. When Si Neuman died Publicker Industries and Kinsey died. Ten years after his death Kinsey and Publicker where gone!
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dave ziegler
04-02-2012, 09:57
Rod and I went back to Kinsey on Sunday afternoon. My Lamp parts had a core that could not be used. We got a complete one in the Old Kinsey Bottle house, " Happy House" and were able to take it apart there. I am now cleaning it up. The first one at the top the coupler was rusted into the metal housing and not removeable. This one is fine but needs lots of Wire Brushing to clean the white corosion off it. But it is Rust free.

Rod Climbed up in the old Grain drying building and got me some shots which I will post on the My Memories thread. Vandles have totally destroyed the Old Kinsey Bottle house so I am glad to save the explosion proof Light housing for History. This unit was right in front of the old Anatonic Tank.

When the light was working Mr Jacob G Kinsey was walking around in there so it is saving not only Continental Distilling History but actual Kinsey History.

I will put it together and take a picture of the complete unit once I get the dirt off it. The Green enamel shade is from warehouse L.
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dave ziegler
04-13-2012, 09:49
Today I will tell some stories and information about Kinsey. When I first started going back to Kinsey after being so sick in Feb 2007 that I almost died. I was sick in bed lookig at an old Brosure of the Plant from 1980. In it there was a Aerial Picture of the whole Plant and I spotted the Fire observation Room on the Picture. Memories flooded my mind. I thought of the great idea of making this fire escape on the High point of the plant a place to put a room to do fire watches for safety. When I was able to get out of bed and travel very weakly I made my Childhood Friend Don help me to get to Kinsey and check out the Fire observation room. He also climbed the dangerous side ladder to the room on top for Looking across the roof. Discovering that the floor had fallen in leaving a sealed pit with no escape if you walked through the door, and He took pictures of the upper room for me.

Also I found labels there and in wondering how they got there I found out later something I had forgotten from Ludy. We would place labeled bottles and Labels on the window sills in the sun to test there ability to hold up from fading. This was a tipical type of thing for Publicker, they were aways doing inovative things in every operation they ran.

Q warehouse like the rest could hold 333,333 barrels per floor and was one of more used warehouses in my days in the warehouse gang.

On any given day we could be racking barrels in the afternoon and dumping barrels in the morning. We would ride on the back of one of three flat trucks to warehouses any distance, and walk to close ones.

At Lunch the Lunch room at O building, the Government building was the Place to be. Also a truck with sandwiches from a local mobel catering service would drive up most days and we would buy treats or sandwiches. Also we could leave at lunch and come back as the flat trucks would drop and pickup people leaving and coming back at the front gate.
Our Little soda machine was very important to the guys who liked to mix their whiskey with soda and the Ginger ale was always well used out of the machine. The machine carried A Treat Sodas from the Allentown area.

Our machines back in those days were run by ARA services no longer around this area. And for the smokers even though you had few places to smoke,we had a cigarette machine filled with the days best brands!

We had really nice heavy wooden picnic benches to sit at and a large round sink to wash up. Also some lockers and the only in Plant warehouse area bathroom.
They were wonderful days for me of youth and my memories are very fond of those days and friends still here,and those gone!
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dave ziegler
04-18-2012, 10:21
As I get parts to save for History from Kinsey I find how bad it got there after Mr Neuman died and the lawyers and outsiders took over. An example is a switch I got from Warehouse M. When I pulled it from the wall I discovered that the plug on the other end had never been turned in tight. I put my Finger on the driver slot and screwed it riight out. A bad seal in that high Vapor area could have blown them into eternity. Nothing on the newer special line was tight or sealed good.

When Publicker was run by Mr Neuman things like that were built right and no hurring or short cuts by Shorty.
1. This is one of two late 1940's/1950's style switches and both had a loose Plugs in the bottom part of the Box and fully conected to Power.

It is sad for me to see how the place went under but I learn more everytime I go there.
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dave ziegler
04-25-2012, 13:14
Everytime I walk around Kinsey memories come back to me. How well I remember days back dumping at the back end of the plant at warehouse #38 the only numbered warehouse due to it pumping whiskey to the scale house across the road. Many times there would be rail tankers of Whiskey coming up from Phila pulled behind the scale house. The whiskey would be weighted and pumped down by pipes to the large tanks down in the woods near the water Pump house that supplied the back water tank!

Those tank in the woods were 1/2 million gal tanks like the ones mid Plant are. From What Ludy remembers. The tanks would say Publicker Industries on the sides and the Blue and white colors.

After #38 warehouse the road became stone and ran down to the Old House by the river. How well I remember doing the Lawns down their. Mr Bryant had an above ground swiming Pool and the Old House was beautiful.

Now it is in complete Ruin with half of it fallen down. It was one of the most Historic Houses in Limerick township being originaly built by William Evans and sold to Jacob G Kinsey in around early 1891. The Distillery Opened in 1892. It survived for 94 years. Mr Kinsey Lived to be 94 years old having reopened the Distillery in 1933 after Prohibition at the age of 75 Years old.

The Name Publicker Industries ended 94 years after starting in 1913.

Strange how these things turn up.
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dave ziegler
04-27-2012, 12:14
I just got the wired part of my Explosion Proof Lamp back today completely wired by a professional Electrian friend of Mine. Now once I get my Base from Rod the lamp will sit in front of My Bottle collection shining up on some of my bottles and Plant signs. I will post the finished Lamp soon! Here is a Picture of it a friend in the office held it for me to take the picture.

1. The Inner wired shaft is from the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle House ( Happy House ) as the girls called it. The inner Bayonet glass explosion proof scew in housing is also from the old Bottle house. The Green Shade and bell which I will be mounting when finished are from Explosion Proof Warehouse L second floor Barrel elevater area. This is a dream come true to have this to remember those great old days!
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spiderblues
05-02-2012, 22:36
Lookin' good Dave! Picking up the base on Friday. See you Sunday!


I just got the wired part of my Explosion Proof Lamp back today completely wired by a professional Electrian friend of Mine. Now once I get my Base from Rod the lamp will sit in front of My Bottle collection shining up on some of my bottles and Plant signs. I will post the finished Lamp soon! Here is a Picture of it a friend in the office held it for me to take the picture.

1. The Inner wired shaft is from the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle House ( Happy House ) as the girls called it. The inner Bayonet glass explosion proof scew in housing is also from the old Bottle house. The Green Shade and bell which I will be mounting when finished are from Explosion Proof Warehouse L second floor Barrel elevater area. This is a dream come true to have this to remember those great old days!
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dave ziegler
05-07-2012, 10:09
This little treasure was found by Rod for me it has a little rust on the edge and inside but I was it a building built in 1892, so it is a very old example of Crouse / Hindes explosion proof lighting. It takes a large glass globe without a cage and luckly I found one to use tonight I am going to wire brush the metal holder and then do something with it. It was the Only remaining Light in the old Grain Process building and I spent many happy Hours sitting on the other side of the wall where the tunnel was and our lockers some of which still remain sitting outside now as the rest of the building has been torn down. We used the bathroom in this building it was the only other Plant bathroom. This hung over the grain machines and Rod climbed up and got it for me.
Here is a Picture of both sides of this 100 year old green enameled Shade.
1. The green outside of the shade. It has some rust on the edge but I cleaned it with a brilo and will put some clear nail polish to seal the rust.
2. The white inside has some rust but not bad for a building from 1892 that was abandoned 26 years ago with no heat and wide open.

I feel it is a priviledge to be able to save things like this for History, this is the last and only one so it is History. I gave Rod a green shade the same size I got years ago but it needs a different type of insert so we will be looking to find him the right one. I had his for years forgot I had it as had no shaft for it. I brought it to show Rod and He really liked it so we did a trade when he got this old guy for me.

These were the Only small green shades in the whole plant as the old buildings are either striped or never had any.

I also got the only White hooded light from the old Locker Room in the lunch room of O building warehouse. It is not Explosion proof but is made by a company called Bengimin Electric's.

Check out my Explosion Proof Floor Lamp on the Memories thread and another Lamp I am building.
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spiderblues
05-07-2012, 18:01
Looks good Dave. Glad to help. Maybe we'll find another one somewhere. You never know. I found 2 yesterday! And found another thermostat for you:)
If you do the nail polish, be careful to not get any on the green enamel. It will be very noticeable. Personally, I would leave the edges as is. Just remove any lose rust. I didn't think it was too bad.
Let me know what you do.

And I managed to get the screw & band of the old hood you gave me.


This little treasure was found by Rod for me it has a little rust on the edge and inside but I was it a building built in 1892, so it is a very old example of Crouse / Hindes explosion proof lighting. It takes a large glass globe without a cage and luckly I found one to use tonight I am going to wire brush the metal holder and then do something with it. It was the Only remaining Light in the old Grain Process building and I spent many happy Hours sitting on the other side of the wall where the tunnel was and our lockers some of which still remain sitting outside now as the rest of the building has been torn down. We used the bathroom in this building it was the only other Plant bathroom. This hung over the grain machines and Rod climbed up and got it for me.
Here is a Picture of both sides of this 100 year old green enameled Shade.
1. The green outside of the shade. It has some rust on the edge but I cleaned it with a brilo and will put some clear nail polish to seal the rust.
2. The white inside has some rust but not bad for a building from 1892 that was abandoned 26 years ago with no heat and wide open.

I feel it is a priviledge to be able to save things like this for History, this is the last and only one so it is History. I gave Rod a green shade the same size I got years ago but it needs a different type of insert so we will be looking to find him the right one. I had his for years forgot I had it as had no shaft for it. I brought it to show Rod and He really liked it so we did a trade when he got this old guy for me.

These were the Only small green shades in the whole plant as the old buildings are either striped or never had any.

I also got the only White hooded light from the old Locker Room in the lunch room of O building warehouse. It is not Explosion proof but is made by a company called Bengimin Electric's.

Check out my Explosion Proof Floor Lamp on the Memories thread and another Lamp I am building.
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dave ziegler
05-11-2012, 19:27
Hey Rod not going to do the Nail polish on, it is good the way it is with the lose rust removed. I am now waiting for my new lamp made with the parts from the old scale weigh / house building out back.

Have the metal cage cleaned up and it will also have red Pilot light to go with the light with a cage on it! I am very thankful a friend at work has got her Husband who is a really good resistered electrian to wire it for me!

I really feel I am a very fortunet person. And I will post pictures of the finished Lamp. I have one goal and that is to save as much History I can of Kinsey Distillery, and Publicker Industries/Continental Distilling I can. My Hope is that everything I post is interesting and tells the whole story of the Company!
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dave ziegler
05-15-2012, 07:53
Well My Goose Neck Lamp made from parts of the Old KInsey Scale/Weigh house is complete and shining in front of my Kinsey Floor Lamp and here are some shots of the working unit.
1. My big Kinsey Floor Lamp with the goose neck in front.
2. The Goose Neck Crouse / Hinds explosion proof lamp at the foot of my other lamp
3. A closeup of the Goose neck lamp lit with a Red Globe and metal Crouse hinds cage!
4. Here is one of two switches from the Old Scale House mounted on a Pilot light on my desk. The others are safe at home.

I am glad I got these parts before vandels could crape them. There are none left for them to do that to now!
I have fond memories of the Old Scale House with its windows facing East and West so you would get natural light at dawn and dusk. It looked like a small castle back in the day its falling down now.

The only lights in the building were these lights hanging down and the only switchs for them are here at work and home and are explosion proof bobben switches 1930's. There was also an oil filled explosion proof switch which I saved a couple of years ago. I found this switch thrown out on the ground and left in the rain and oiled cleaned and restored it. These are some of the rarest switches there.

Many a time working in the last warehouse #38 the only one with a number having something to do with the scale House walking over to the scale house and admireing it with its two 2,000 plus gal tanks mounted on weigh scales so they could gauge and weigh the amounts of total whiskey going down to the big 1/2 million gal tanks long gone that were down in the woods.

You would be working and you would hear the train coming and see it pushing a large rail tanker with Publicker Industries written on the sides.
It would pull just a couple of feet from the building unhook from the locomotive leave it and a hose would be hooked up to the tanker and they would using the pumps inside the building fill and weigh the whiskey tank after tank till it was all pumped by above ground pipes to the tanks in the woods. Then the totals from pumping were compared to the amount that was supposed to be in the tanker all while a Government man was there to supervise.

Once the totals tallied the same the tanker was taken away by the Locomotive again. The train would come back most times early the next morning!

More great memories of a Place a Job and People I loved back in the day. Working at Kinsey was something to Really be Proud of back in the Day as you were working for the Greatest Distilling and Chemical Company there ever was Publicker Industries.
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Jono
05-15-2012, 11:48
Dave, in a way, Kinsey lives on in its restored lighting etc. A small part of the plant brought to life. Great job.

spiderblues
05-15-2012, 18:46
Looks great Dave! I like the switch too. Nice touch.

dave ziegler
05-31-2012, 08:01
This past Saturday with the High Heat I was not surprised to step into 50 degree temps on the first floors of the Old Explosion proof warehouses. Also in Warehouse C it was Foggy of all things!

It is really sad to see these once beautiful Warehouses in complete ruin. The sadest part is if the man who owns them would have kept people out with security and with the type of wiring they had they could operate right now even after 26 years of abandonment. But once the vandels got in and opened and cut everything that was the beginning of the end. Also letting that company that claimed they were going to buy the plant and make a trash to steam plant, while the whole time all they did was steal metal and knock down the Old Historic DSP-PA-12, and catch the Old Bottle house and Barn on fire cutting metal. What he has let Happen and done himself to me is no Less Then a Crime.

Vandels even climbed the roofs and stole the edging so the Buildings all leak water and the corners of the buildings bricks are breaking out due to expansion in the Summer and Contraction in the winter with the water leaks.

Also the so called people fixing the Plant in the early 2001 & 2002 opened almost all the doors on the upper floors for Light and left them open to warp to the point you can't close them, and they now let bad weather in dooming them.


There will never be the Condo's at Kinsey Distillery or the Kinsey Distillery Living History museuim of Linfield. When the Plant closed the front Historic Buildings were all in great shape and could easily been made into a tourisum spot, but no in a very Brainless and foolish act the owner just chose to walk away shut everything down abandon it and just pay the taxes.
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dave ziegler
06-10-2012, 13:32
A couple of weeks ago When Rod and his friend Adam went to the plant with me I took a couple of cool pictures he they are.

1. Rod checking out #2 Gauging tank 4,120 gal cap warehouse C.
2. First Names on the Elevator wall all old frinds of mine from back in the day they are in order
Joe - Machukas
Bud - Bergy
Bill - Ewing
Jack - Raysor, we all worked together in the warehouses.
3. The only in tack Electrical Header I have seen in all the warehouses it still has most of its covers.
4. The Last of the barrels left at the plant getting really bad now.

It is hot out today but I may still go for a short walk at Kinsey today as it has been 2 weeks since was there.
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dave ziegler
06-18-2012, 09:57
Walking around the Plant on Sunday afternoon I was totally amazed at how the trees and weeds are also taking over some of the warehouses out back. The whole thing is almost unreal to me. The Fire Observation tower warehouse Q has a large open hole in the wall where the guy who owns the Place had knocked out part of the right side wall then stuck a lardge wooden section in the hole. Well the holders rotted off and now the building is completely open the weather and from the fire years ago on the third floor there is a large hole the Fire company Punched on the right side up top.

Q warehouse the most unique of the warehouses is not long for the world. All this kills me as 26 years ago everything was in good shape till this rotten person just after driving Publicker out with to high a leasing price just pushed anyone renting there out and abandoned the Plant in fall 1986.
here are two pictures of the Virginia Creeper and weeds at work.

1. Warehouse T the dock is slowly disapearing from the Virginia creeper at work. I could not get anywhere near the dock. The trees and weeds and creeper are going nuts.
2. Looking down from warehouse #38 at warehouses T&S as the weeds and creeper take over.
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dave ziegler
07-01-2012, 18:59
today taking pictures of what the fire did to the oldest buildings at Kinsey I just found it at so hard to believe. I really miss being able to walk in the Old DSP-PA-10 Rye Barn, it was such a neat building with all its wooden framework to hold the old Pot Still and now it is all gone! Thankfully the side of the stair case that said Kinsey # 10 rye Barn is in my garage, but all the other stencils are all burnt and gone. I am forever glad I took pictures of the stenciled Fast aging whiskey on the barn uprights. Kinsey Just like people is dying and one day will be gone, but if I have my way its name will live forever! Tomorrow I will post my fire pictures on the memories thread
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dave ziegler
07-02-2012, 10:32
Picture of the alley between buildings after the fire
They stood there from Late 1892 till Friday June 30,2012
I can not get this right with the new system so I will start this post again later and just abandon this as it keeps locking up and I lost all the other Pictures of the fire damage and can't get them back here. The One Picture is of the alley between the Old #10 Rye Barn and the old Bottle house look for me to start over soon.
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dave ziegler
07-02-2012, 11:11
Kinsey Warehouses B,D,E and the #10 Rye Barn

1892 till June 30 2012
I finnally figuered what I was doing wrong so I am posting 5 Pictures now and will post many more here and on the memories thread. Gone are Warehouse B 1892/Warehouses D&E and the number Ten Rye Barn knocked down to get to the fire in Warehouse B & D. in fighting the fire they Knocked down half of Warehouse E. I will get back to posting but Lunch time is over and its back to work I go.
1. Standing where the #10 Rye Barn was Looking at Warehouse E built early 1900's
2. Sprinker and electrical pipes at bottom of what was 1892 Kinsey waehouse B the
second warehouse built on the sight when Jacob G Kinsey bought the place.
3. Shot of warehouse E
4. Warehouse D elevator Shaft at river wall of building
5. Closeup of Warehouse D Top of elevator shaft note Motor still sitting on steel rails at top. This buildings Elevator was different as built into the back brick wall and even a window in the shaft the others had the top of the elevator sitting on the roof. And Warehouses A & B had a chain hoist to rack barrels and remove them very dangerous but in 1892 that was the way. The others were built a couple of yrs later when you could get frieght elevators Locally from Reading.
Now that I figuered what I was doing wrong I will post more soon. The picture on the thread before this one is of what was the alley between the #10 Rye Barn and the Old Bottle House built by Kinsey. Just a note I will post some more pictures on the Memories thread today.
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dave ziegler
07-06-2012, 18:18
Here are some copies of some pictures I posted years ago of Kinsey the year was 2003 and I had not got there yet but was lucky enough to find these pictures when I first learned to use a computer.

1. Cyprus fermenters in dsp-pa-12 the one far left had the fish in it when I worked there we clocked out to the the left of the tank picture
2. Dsp-Pa.- 12 still where we clocked in every day. Platform on top at the back of the building once held the water cistren tank. And is on the old picture from the turn of the century of Kinsey I have!
3. Doors into Dsp-pa-12 note sign which I wish I had says Continental Distilling corp Distiller DSP-Pa-1
4. Pink Mack truck sits abandonded. All these pictures are from 2003. Note the steam lines going behind the truck in the picture go from the boiler room out front to the very back of the plant to warehouse #38 just before the steer pens.
5. The missing metal work parts of the Old Grain drying building when I worked there it was not used but complete yet and fully sprinkeled and had heat and electric. Charlie Sipler parked his buggy on the bottom floor and there were lockers and a shower on the second floor then.
6. Boiler room stack,the two coal buring boilers sat below and note the old grain process building behind the area.




I will post some more rare pictres again here soon. I am always thankful when I find old Kinsey pictures there are very few around!
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spiderblues
07-08-2012, 20:59
Nice shots Dave! It's changed so much since these were taken. Hard to beleive.

dave ziegler
07-09-2012, 10:35
I went back to Kinsey on Sunday with Rod and while I was there saved the piece of wooden Rack from warehouse E I had taken a picture of Sunday a week ago with Ethan.
2. again here is a shot of the piece Sec. 1, fastened to an old wood ladder which I have put aside also.
I got my friends to trim it down to a size to save it and the next picture is of it restored to save for
history.
3. Here is the piece I have fastened a picture of it laying in the rubble on the back and a note about its history and tonight I am going to get a steel picture hanging cabel so it can be hung and displayed.
1.Back wall Warehouse E with door which was closed for close to 20 years with a Continental Distilling Padlock. Rod climbed down in and took some shots he is going to give me and found that a good part of the building except two places was in real good shape and he was even able to climb and walk on the second floor boards. What a shame they knocked the wall down when they did not need to as no Fire got in there, But it is done. Warehouse E looks to have been the only intack Kinsey Warehouse till the fire Friday a week.
4. The Elevator Shaft for Warehouse E
7. Warehouse E Section K of racks. They were marked so on paper forms you could always find the lot of Barrels you were looking to pull. Rod saw one solitary empty Barrel in the building. The reason being all the old Whisky in there was used for Rittenhouse Rye and the 20 year old, OLD Hickory Bourbon special bottling they did back in the day. I can personally tell you The Whisky from Old Warehouses E & D were some of the Very Best Whisky that Continental Distilling ever made and a large part of them if not all were distilled at DSP-PA-12 & 10 in Linfield and put to age in those old buildings. They were rolled on the old rails between the old Bottle House and the two Warehouses and racked before my time most likely when My dad worked there.
1. Another Shot of Warehouse E Elevator through hole you can see the elevator

For some reason the pictures have ended up in the wrong places and are not in the right order I tried to delete the whole post to start over but it would not so you can from what I wrote figure which is which. Sorry this new system has some strange ways!

I am going to post some pictures from years ago on the memories thread again later today or tomorrow.

My goal is to save as many different things as I can to be able to show what it was like to work there and are daily jobs and what, how and where we worked. I want people to be able to get the true picture Of kinsey and Contiental Distilling and our Parent Company the greatest Distiller of Industrial and drinking spritis ever Publicker Industries. This thread is messed up I have tried and tried to fix it but the system will not let me put the right order of the pictures so just enjoy the pictures and sorry
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dave ziegler
07-09-2012, 12:52
Ok if I can't edit it I can put the pictures by number here.
1.Warehouse E the Only door in on the back wall.
2. The wooden Piece laying in the rubble of the fire
3.The Wooden section after I cut it to size and restored it to save for History.
4. Another shot of the door in warehouse E this door was locked for about 20 years with a Continental Distilling Padlock and survived well till the fire hit building beside it Warehouse D and the People decided to knock its wall down for no good reason.
5. Warehouse E Elevator Shaft
6. Racks in Warehouse E section 10.
This way when you go back and know what the pictures are.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-27-2012, 10:01
The Fire at Kinsey was such a sad day and you had to have worked there to know how well things used to be kept back when I worked there! I used my Digital camera and took a close up of the oldest part of the Plant back in 1947 in an artists conseption picture I have of the Plant.

If you look at the far Right you see from the front back Warehouse E,then D and B and A then the railroad bridge and Warehouses F & G and H smaller to the left side with New warehouse R's white wall sitting at the Extreme back right of the picture.

Going from the front back again on the Left side middle is The Old Kinsey Bottle House ( Happy House ) and inbetween it and Warehouses D & E would be the rails to put barrels in those front warehouses. Next in the Middle is the #10 Rye Barn and the small white & Black building left of the Rye barn was the Plant Office where Jake Kinsey did business and it was the Plant office the whole time Publicker owned the Plant also. Next on the far front left green & white is the Old company House George Dill lived in when I worked there and the Plant nurse was on the first floor.

Then the building farther back on the left with the green roof and whiite bottom is the Old Maintaince Barn, and Behind that is the Old Grain drying buildings and the Boiler room big stack and the DSP-PA-12 Distiller on the right and behind it the Grain Process building.

The Picture gives you an Idea of how the original Plant looked when Continental Distilling bought it at silent Auction in 1940.

The years I worked there everything was well cared for and maintained. Once Publicker was gone so was Kinsey.
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dave ziegler
08-12-2012, 16:37
Well I went to Kinsey to look at Warehouse's A,B,D,and E for the last time before they are torn down this week and I was determine to find a way to Save the 50 gal Sethness Caramel Coloring Barrel that sat on the second level floor in the Half knocked down Kinsey Warehouse E and Its a done deal. Here are two pictures of Ethan and his friend Eric and Ethans wife Gretchen lowering the barrel and bringing it out for me before the building is gone forever.

I wish I could have saved more they also helped me carry the small Length of Ladder that my Section 1 piece of wood was on originaly in warehouse D. I looked on the web and Sethness Caramel Coloring company is still in bussiness since 1880 so not every old company is gone and we used alot of Caramel coloring. Sadly the building was the only one that only had minor roof leaks when Lightening hit them and Ethan told me I was wrong it had started to burn when they knocked down the wall he saw signs of fire.
I have a few more pictures to post from today of the last of those buildings and will do them most likely tomorrow. Warehouse E was the building where the Amazing 20 yr Old Hickory came from and when I worked there I remembered all the barrels in there with early 1950's dates. Alot of the whiskey if not all in them was distilled at Kinsey in those out front warehouses from 1892 and early 1900's.
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ethangsmith
08-12-2012, 17:28
Hey! That looks familiar. As for the fire, the wood was still smoldering and giving off wisps of smoke around the elevator area. Pretty weird to see it still smoldering over a month later!

dave ziegler
08-31-2012, 10:16
Here are some shots of the fire area now that warehouses, D,E and B and the Kinsey #10 Rye Barn are gone forever!
Taken on Sunday Aug 26,2012

1. The only oldest remaining building at Kinsey is warehouse A in bad shape but survives for now with damage where the wrecking ball caught its front wall. Built in 1892 by jake Kinsey.
2. Another shot of Warehouse A the first warehouse Mr Kinsey ever built, it and B gone now had no elevator you had to put grapling hooks on each end head and lower each barrel with a chain hoist. Once we emptied them A and B were never filled again by Continental.
3. All that is left of the Old Kinsey #10 Rye Barn is this part of its wall. Glad I saved the written piece from the wooden stair a year ago.
4. Here is all that is left of Warehouse D the bottom of where the Elevator shaft was.
5. Looking across where Warehouse Buildings B,D,E and the Barn were.
6. Looking across to what is left of the Old ( Happy House ) Kinsey Bottling House 1933.
7. Another shot of warehouse A the inside wall that fitted against warehouse B.
8. One last shot looking where the Buildings once stood.

I think the sadest thing is that Warehouse E was in fairly good shape compared to the other burned down brick warehouses and the remaining ones. They stood there for 120 years for Warehouses A & B and over a 100 years for the Barn and D and E warehouse. And suddenly Lightening Hits them weird!
I have not gone there much the last few weeks but I want to go this weekend and walk around again.
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dave ziegler
09-19-2012, 10:51
I will be posting Pictures in all 3 Threads today that I got from my Friend Butch who worked at the Publicker Phila Plant! Here are some Rare Pictures Of Philip Publickers American Commercail Alcohol Plant In Phila just a short Distance from Publicker Commercail Alcohol Corp. Harry Publicker and Philip Publicker were Brothers who went their own ways. So just Like Publicker Industries, American Distilling started in Phila, Pa.
1. American Commercial Alcohol Company Tank Farm Still is top center.
2. Another shot of the Distiller at American Commercial Alcohol Company, 1938 at Tasker street and Delaware Ave. The Plant was a merger of David Berg Industrial Alcohol Company and American Commercial Alcohol Company and became American Commercial Alcohol Company.
I was very excited to get these rare Pictures and hope for many more. They tell the stories of two Great men, Harry Publicker founder of Publicker Commerical Alcohol Company / Publicker Industries 1933 and Philip Publicker Founder of American Commercial Alcohol Company / American Distilling and shows that American Distilling also had its roots in Pa in Phila!
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dave ziegler
10-12-2012, 04:43
Last Sunday as I walked past Warehouse Q I was amazed how bad a shape it is in and very sad because the Fire Tower is on top of the fire escape on the back of the building. The man who owns the building back when he was leaseing back to Publicker cut a large part of the wall out of it and warehouse I. He then instead of putting a large door just had a wooden frame pushed in.

This past spring the wood wall has fallen out leaving the building open to what ever. Also many years ago vandels set fire to some corn whisky barrels on the 3dr floor. The fire company to put out the fire smashed in the back orner wall to put the fire out. The Building now on the one side has two places open and getting water on the brick and terricotta work!

It is amazing how one Rotten person can impact a place as much as He has, all the damage and abandonment lays on Him, he is the example of a large slum landlord, buy a place then leave it rot and claim loss for years then just let it rot.
Looking now you would never know the glory of Kinsey Distillery back in the day!
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dave ziegler
11-13-2012, 10:41
Sunday Ethan and His Wife and I went to Kinsey. While there we Had pictures taken by his wife of me and Him pretending to be putting in a day in the warehouse.
1. Me and Ethan loading Barrels on the Barrel Elevator!
2. Me doing what I did so many times when behind the Loader holding the barrel ready to Kick it up the incline to the elevator loader.
3. Ethan Loading a barrel on the Elevator.
4. Barrel Graveyard

Me and Ethan found some real nice Barrel heads to take home from 1963. I also thanks to Ethan was able to save two of the Last Warehouse Signs for History, Warehouse M and S.

Everytime I go it seems so much more worse there, it really gets to me. How this could have happened to Si Neumans Beautiful Distillery on the River is hard to take. I go and find myself remembering people who worked in each building I see when I go there.

It is very hard to find much of anything left there that is any good. But With the Help of People Like Ethan and Rod and Mike and Others I try to save all I can for History.
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ethangsmith
11-13-2012, 14:13
I wish I could save ALL the barrels and barrel parts there! It's amazing to see that pile of staves and heads!

smokinjoe
11-13-2012, 15:29
Y'all need to take out all that wood and sell it for kindling/firewood. I think you could do well for yourselves. It would be a just payment to you for your efforts to keep Kinsey's history alive, here.
:toast:

dave ziegler
11-20-2012, 18:01
Joe one thing for sure that wood would burn well, but it would be a job hauling that and I am getting to old to do suff like that. I was at the Distillery on Sunday afternoon and went into the 1966 Bottling House and it is amazing how bad a shape it is in. It is the newest building in the plant 1951 and it is the worst one for condition. Water pours in when it rains, vandels have stolen just about all they can and walking aroung it brings so many memories everytime I walk in there. I see an old Raincoat in the incoming spirits area and it is my old friend Walt Harringtons old raincoat. it was Walt who used to keep the Kinsey Benifit club going so that if you got hurt you got a little bit of spending money till you came back! He was always selling tickets for it. You could win a basket of cheer and the rest went to the fund.

I think back to our amazing safety record very few people got hurt and we never had a fire in the place. It was to me the most special place I ever worked and I am thankful I lived in the time I did and worked there. I only wish I would have stayed there a little longer but its closing would have been very hard for me. I never in my wildest dreams thought the place would ever be abandoned! And I will be forever proud of our Whiskeys.

I can sit here and see myself rolling dice at break time in the warehouses or climbing into a coal car in the yard gang, we worked hard but we had pride in our work ethic, it was there I learned to have a good work ethic and I to this day try not to miss any days even at 65 years old.
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dave ziegler
12-19-2012, 10:32
It is always sad seeing what has Happened to Warehouse Q the Fire Tower Warehouse. First about 10 yrs ago vandels went up on the 3rd Floor and set Old corn Whiskey Barrels on fire and it got so Hot that the Glass melted out of the Fire tower Windows and the flooring fell down leaving the upper tower of the two room tower with a pit that has no way out. The Upper floor was to look across the roof.

Now The Wooden wall first floor the guy who owns the place put in instead of a real door fell out leaving the wall wide open, and also the Upper floor has a large hole punched in it when the fire company put the Corn Whiskey Barrel fire out.

Such a sad thing to see happen to this building at the high point of the Plant which insured you could watch for any sign of fire in all directions.
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dave ziegler
01-31-2013, 13:01
One of the Sadest things is what has happened to Warehouse Q the warehouse with the Fire Observation room. With the Hole in the wall on the 3rd floor and the Wooden wall fallen out on the first floor it is open to all the bad weather and it is really going down. And all because of the Rotten Man who owns the Place and left it to be doomed instead of selling it when everything was still working. His greed has destroyed Kinsey!
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dave ziegler
03-14-2013, 11:04
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Here is a picture of the Old Publicker CO2 Plant in 1975 under the Walt Whitman bridge. Given to me By my Friend Butch who worked for Publicker for 10 yrs in Phila.
I will soon be posting many more old time Publicker Picture here from Butch once I get a chance to download them.
I am glad He is finding many old shots from the Phila Plant.
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Leopold
03-17-2013, 21:01
Mr. Ziegler, were the warehouses heated the entire time you worked there?

dave ziegler
03-19-2013, 18:43
Yes they had a venting and heating setup in all the Explosion proof warehouses, and the old Kinsey ones had vent holes and heat also! They were not very warm but they kept the temps set at the point they thought would give them the best aging process. When I left in fall 1971 everything was still heated even the ones where we had removed the racks from and put Barrels in Piles after filling them!

They were big believers that a little Heat was important to the aging process. And my opinion was it did work our whiskys were very Good!
Continental was always looking to improve product and at the same time keep the prices at a point the working man could aford them.
Thanks for your Question Mr Leopold, hope your products are doing well! If you ever get down this way I would like to take you through what is left of the place.
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Leopold
03-21-2013, 11:02
Do you happen to remember what the minimum temperatures in the winter were? I'm simply curious.

We're doing great, thanks for asking. Our new distillery should be up and running in the fall. I'll keep you posted.

I'd LOVE to visit the plant with you if I'm in that area. Thank you for the kind offer!

dave ziegler
04-08-2013, 18:31
Look forward to taking you through Kinsey some time, soon I hope and best wishes on your whiskeys! If I remember the temp was always kept around 45 to 50 max! They for the time had some fairly good controls in each warehouse!
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dave ziegler
04-30-2013, 09:56
During WWII in 1944 There was a Phila, PTC Transport Workers strike so transport Trucks were used to bring people to work at Publicker. My Friend Butch gave me this picture of one of the trucks at the Phila Plant.
Here is a picture of Bigler Street Gasohol Distillation Colums " Before 1977 Working and the after Abandoned in 1992" Thanks again to Butch for the Pictures. Butch worked for Publicker for about 10 years and has some great insight into the Plant.

I hope to upload many more Phila Plant pictures soon.
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smokinjoe
05-01-2013, 14:40
...Here is a picture of Bigler Street Gasohol Distillation Colums " Before 1977 Working and the after Abandoned in 1992" Dave Z


As always, thanks for the pics Dave. Hadn't thought about the term Gasohol in awhile. I was pumping gas in the late 70's when Gasohol starting hitting the market hard. Unlike the E10 mixtures of today, back then it had a very peculiar smell as I remember. Very sweet, and easily distinguishable from the regular gasoline. Also, the yellowjackets loved the stuff. Dozens would swarm around the pumps, and it was a constant battle to keep from being stung.

dave ziegler
05-06-2013, 10:32
Joe the sad part is the Government told them they wanted to get into this and would give support then dropped it cold saying there was lots of Gas. Most of the Stacks never got operating. I have an old decal that says Gasohol its our future dated 1980 Publicker Industries! They put lots of Money into it, only to never make a go of it.
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dave ziegler
05-21-2013, 13:22
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Picture one is The Snyder Av Publicker Plant.
Picture two is The Snyder Av Still House
Picture three is the Glen Flagler Distillery in Scotland in 1965.

Many Thanks to my friend Butch for these Pictures and I expect to put more new pictures on my other two Threads in the next day or so. I took Butch to Kinsey this Past Satuday before the weeds take over for the summer.
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dave ziegler
06-13-2013, 17:28
It has gotten to the Point where I do not enjoy Kinsey as much any more. The biggest reason is the Vandals writing weird stuff on the buildings like they do in Phila. It was such a beautiful place back when I worked there and to see such rotten people do this kills me! Dave Z - Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey For Unhurried Moments

dave ziegler
07-11-2013, 19:05
This weekend I am taking a man who wants abandoned building pictures. Sadly there is nothing more abandoned then Kinsey! I have not been there since May so who knows how bad it will be! I have some new pictures to post very soon. I will be 66 on Sept 23 and I am hoping to find another bottle of Old Hickory to drink for my birthday! My Dad only lived to be 64 so I am doing good! If anyone knows where I can get a bottle please let me know here! It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon -- Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-16-2013, 07:55
My friend Butch who worked for Publicker 10 years has given me some more Pictures and Information. Here I am Posting a picture of an artical About Publicker Commercial Alcohol's Research Chemist William R. Atwater. a research letter about a Automatic Leveling Bulb for Butadien Analysis the year was 1940 and Publicker would go on to Make Butadiene to make Synthic Rubber for WWII at their State Road, Bensalem Twp Plant!
That same Year they would buy Kinsey Distillery in a Silent Auction, and starting in 1946 through 1947 build all 14 Expolsion Proof warehouses under the direction of Si S. Neuman.
Explosion Proof Warehouse U which became the worlds largest Bottling house in 1966 was built in 1951.
I will be posting some more Picture on the Memories thread later today!

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dave ziegler
07-18-2013, 08:08
Here are two new old time ads from Continental Distilling given to me by my friend Butch.
1. Coobs Creak Blended mild like your Cigaretts. Oct 30, 1940
2. May 20th 1938 3 different brands of ours in an ad, Dixie Belle Gin Old Hickory and Coobs creek BBlended

I love the prices back then and always remember that Mr. Neuman was always trying to keep prices low!
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dave ziegler
07-29-2013, 07:39
This building was one of a kind in having the fire tower on top of it. The tower after having talked offten to Ludy who will be 95 in Sept was also used regularly to test quality of ink on the whisky Labels. The would Place labels on the window sills on all directions some all of them would get different sunlight as the day hours went on! The tower was heated somewhat and checked offten when the fields outback were dry.
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dave ziegler
08-29-2013, 10:30
Here are a couple of new Pictures I got from my Friend Butch who worked in Phila at the Publicker Plant.
1. An old ad for Rittenhouse Rye around 1937
2. An ad for low prices for Different Continental Products.
The Company aways had a goa;l to keep prices afordable to the working class!
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dave ziegler
09-16-2013, 10:27
Here is a Picture of the Fire At Kinsey Last June 12 th 2012. It burned some of the very Oldest Buildings there at caused them to Knock down the Old 1892 Kinsey Rye Barn to get to the fire. Warehouses B,E and D gone forever. A very sad day for me I went that Night to look in sadness.
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TunnelTiger
09-17-2013, 19:01
Dave - know how you feel and I'm about the same age. Still can't get over how the manufactuer I worked at for most of my life went under the bull dozer. Still in the same business but it's just not the same.

Keep up the stoires as I do enjoy.

dave ziegler
10-27-2013, 16:51
Tunnel Tiger The warehouse closest to the road that burned was where I had my first taste of Whiskey! It was Old Kinsey Warehouse E and I had some great Rye Whiskey right from the Barrel! To get to the upper racks you had to climb a wooden ladder nailed to the racks. The building was build around 1900. it is hard to figure after a 100 years that Lightening would hit it. Sadly nothing is forever. Every time I go there now I see more stuff falling apart. Dave Z

mbroo5880i
10-27-2013, 17:17
Tunnel Tiger The warehouse closest to the road that burned was where I had my first taste of Whiskey! It was Old Kinsey Warehouse E and I had some great Rye Whiskey right from the Barrel! To get to the upper racks you had to climb a wooden ladder nailed to the racks. The building was build around 1900. it is hard to figure after a 100 years that Lightening would hit it. Sadly nothing is forever. Every time I go there now I see more stuff falling apart. Dave Z

Dave,

Just for grins and giggles. How old were you? Do you remember the whiskey brand?

mbroo

dave ziegler
10-29-2013, 17:58
I was 19 years old and the Whiskey was Straight Rye which was going to be used for Rittenhouse Rye Whiskey, it was awesome! I had been up in the Ladder on the wooden space between the racks rolling barrels out to the end and when we were done that row I came down and one of the guys said try this and handed me a 1/2 pint bottle with a bit of Char on the bottom! I did not drink a lot but every now and then I would sip some good stuff. It was a wonderful place to work and I leaned my work ethic there. Worked every day not missing time and saving to live the American dream. I will always be grateful I worked there out of High school. Thanks for the note and interest. I love telling stories about the place. Dave Z Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey for unhurried moments.

dave ziegler
11-06-2013, 08:04
Well this Saturday I am meeting Butch who worked for Continental Distilling in Phila and our goal is to get him a Continental Distilling 48 gal Whiskey Barrel for him to restore to a table like Fricky did for me and him a few years ago. Also we will explore what is left of the place as it has really fallen into bad times. I can hardly believe how bad it is.
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dave ziegler
12-16-2013, 18:50
Well here we are, it is just 9 days and it will be Christmas 2013, and yet I sure remember the days of old when all the warehouses at Kinsey were filled with lots of Lovely Whiskey just waiting to be bottled! Back then we had the worlds Largest amount of aging Whiskey in the world! It is so sad to walk there now and see Warehouse Q with the Fire Observation tower in ruin. No racks in the building holes in the walls from a set fire years ago and vandeles painting horrible writing on the walls in the tower. I remember sweeping the stairs in the fire tower when I was a kid. All I can think is if only Mr. Neuman had lived I still to this day think the place would still be operating!
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TunnelTiger
12-16-2013, 19:25
Tunnel Tiger The warehouse closest to the road that burned was where I had my first taste of Whiskey! It was Old Kinsey Warehouse E and I had some great Rye Whiskey right from the Barrel! To get to the upper racks you had to climb a wooden ladder nailed to the racks. The building was build around 1900. it is hard to figure after a 100 years that Lightening would hit it. Sadly nothing is forever. Every time I go there now I see more stuff falling apart. Dave Z

Dave I can relate. The first textile mill worked in you could see the moon at night through the cracks in the bricks at night. Now a whole mfg industry has disappeared from us.

dave ziegler
12-20-2013, 20:55
It is so sad to see America and the american way go away! When I was a kid there was always somewhere to get a job! Working at the Kinsey Dsitillery I bought the nicest car I ever owned my 1967 Buick GS 400 Cu in 425 HP. When I go there it breaks my heart! Have a great Christmas Tunneltiger

TunnelTiger
12-22-2013, 09:31
Dave - mine was a 1966 Ford Galaixe 7 Liter. 428 cubic in, boy could that baby fly.

Merry Christmas to you Dave!

dave ziegler
01-07-2014, 10:37
Hey Tuneltiger those Fords were very Fast. I hope your Christmas was great, I did have a good one as went to my Sisters House for Christmas for the first time in 8 yrs. I don't go up in the Fire tower anymore as Vandles have now painted horrible stuff all over the walls inside.
Here are 3 more Pictures
1. The Grain Process Building at Kinsey built 1892
2. The Bigler Street Grain Process plant at Publicker plant in Phila given me by Butch
3. The Time Clock from the 1966 Bottling House at Kinsey safely saved in my Garage.

Through the years i have tried to save as much History of Publicker Industries as I can if I knew how I would write a book about it.
Dave Z
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mbroo5880i
01-07-2014, 13:31
Dave - I always enjoy your posts. I love history and I love whiskey! I live in the past through you!

It would be great if you and Chuck Cowdery or Michael Veach could hook up and put your story down in a book!

Thanks for sharing your memories!

mbroo

Fangzilla
01-07-2014, 23:20
Dave, are you able to tell us about what this device is atop the grain process building in your picture? I haven't seen that before. I suspect it serves the function of a scotch distillery's pagoda for ventilation, only this one looks like it's made out of copper, like a still.

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dave ziegler
01-09-2014, 18:13
I think that is what it is, I will have to try and get a close up shot next time I get there with my good camera. Never noticed it before. The grain bin is below it!
From the bin it goes to a chafe removing machine a then to a worm gear to the still which was torn down in 2002.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-10-2014, 12:45
Fangzilla I just found the Pictures from Nov 19, 2011 a Young friend of Mine climbed the side of the building putting his feet in holes in the wall with my Camera. When He got up there He took a picture of where the Stair was to the Copalo on top where that setup is. and then he got this amazing shot inside the grain bin it had been 25 Year since there was heat in the building and the Bin had not been used since spring of 1951! Picture 2 is the Bin and It looks like brand new yet. By now I'm sure water has gotten in but when He was up there the floor was going in front of the stair that went above the bin.


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1 Wall on the way to the stair case to the Copalo at top of Process building
2. Grain Box top and sides looks amazing for being abandoned 25 years and not being used for 60 years! The last Gain in it was spring of 1951! Look at how the wood gleams in the picture.
3. Bin wall floor going bad.
4. Grain from Spring of 1951 still laying on the floor!
5. Foot of stairs going to the top you can just see the stair case to the right
My Friend Rod also climbed on top of a old 1892 grain procees machine and got me the Only late 1890's Crouse Hinds explosion proof Light fixture which I made a lamp of with all the parts from the plant and will post is picture again some day soon.
Without his help on that dangerous floor up there these Pictures could have never been seen. They are the only Known of pictures of the upper floor of the grain Process Building build by Jake Kinsey in 1892!
I met Rod at the Plant and together we explored many things and we both built Lamps from there! Fangzilla
I thought you and everyone else would enjoy these amazing pictures.
Dave Z
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Fangzilla
01-10-2014, 18:37
Dave, regarding the device on the roof, it occurred to me that it can't be copper, or it would have been stolen long ago. Probably made of tin, or similar.

Those pictures are amazing. The wood looks so new, the company must have kept replacing it when it got too old, until they closed down. After all, that was Mr. Neuman's thing, from what you've said. Keeping all the buildings in top shape, even if they weren't used. The grain is a surprise. You wouldn't think it would survive the critters eating it for that long!

Jono
01-14-2014, 17:32
Too bad that beautiful wood cannot be salvaged and re-purposed somehow.

dave ziegler
01-23-2014, 17:56
It is very sad what has happened to the Kinsey Plant during these last 28 years. I could have never dreamed that it would end like this. The first Time I went back there in 2004 It was surreal to me to walk there and see everything abandoned! I admit I felt like crying! I stood there Listening for the old days when a 1941 Ford flat truck would come roaring up through the plant hauling full whiskey barrels to be dumped. Jono I still can not believe how beautiful that wood looked after 25 yrs
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-07-2014, 19:36
Hello Fangzilla once the weather breaks I hope to do a lot of Posting, not being able to post at work makes it harder but I will continue writing about the old days at Kinsey! I am doing ok now that my electric is back, on Wed I had no Power and went to bed with the temp at 48, it was hell for me being 66 yrs old but I got my Power back in 25 Hours so I am very thankful I also had no land Phone which with Asthama is not good. Back now and able to write stuff on the computer again!
I hope to do some more writing here very soon!
Dave
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TunnelTiger
02-08-2014, 08:10
Dave - here's hoping you have no more power outages, us old guys need heat.

dave ziegler
03-24-2014, 17:44
Dave - here's hoping you have no more power outages, us old guys need heat.

Well mid Sunday morning Mar 23 some kids went into Kinsey and set Warehouse T on fire. I have not been there yet but my friends who watch the place said they set the plies of unused cases of bottles on fire.
To make things worse the fireman instead of just rolling the doors up the doors still opened decided to test out their cutting equipment and cut Large holes in all the doors now making it impossible to ever seal the building again! It seems in the modern times all people know how to do is ruin things!
Dave Z
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fishnbowljoe
03-24-2014, 18:11
Sorry to hear about the continued vandalism, and decline at Kinsey Dave. I know how you feel. It seems that about every other time I visit Kentucky for the Sampler or KBF, I end up driving by the Old Taylor distillery for a look see, and to get some pictures. It's pretty much the same story there. Some vandalism, but mostly the elements are just continuing to wear away at the place. Very sad to see at Kinsey and Taylor, as I'm sure both places were sights to see back in their heyday.


Take care Dave, and be well.

Joe

dave ziegler
05-17-2014, 17:30
Yes Joe the name for it is total decline, the place is at the mercy of the worst kind of people. They are people that History means nothing to, they are takers and they have fun ruining stuff. Also nature works hard on abandoned buildings. I never in my wildest dreams could have ever thought this could happen to the Kinsey plant. When I worked there it was a beacon of Beauty. Flower beds gardens fancy lawns. It breaks my heart to see it like this. I have not been able to write for a bit and can't at work because the computers have some sort of protection againest sites with certain words. To think that grand old Distillery Old Taylor is the same is so sad. It is the story of what is happening to our Country! YOU BE WELL Joe. I am now fighting Swarms of fruit fly's.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-21-2014, 18:20
Yesterday I took a friend to Kinsey to get stuff, I got him a couple of the last good Barrels and an Old wooden box with metal wheels. We walked down to Look at Q Building and its Fire observation room. Vandels have painted horrible stuff everywhere up in the room. The wooden wall the guy who owns it had put instead of a door fell out, fire damage from a fire years ago had the fire company smash a hole in the third floor wall. Water is still laying in there from their hoses many years ago. It sits on the high point of the plant and up there you can see the whole plant. There was a time when Quality control used to put labels on the window sills to see how they held up in the sun. Heat was pumped up from the front boiler room all the way up to the room.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-16-2014, 19:37
When I was at Kinsey on Sunday I showed some people the Fire tower, it is so sad to see the building Q in such sad shape. And Vandel's have painted everywhere on the building. The wall has a large hole in it from a fire there many years ago, and the building is leaking lots of water! I just have a hard time seeing the place go like this. I think because of what the Person who owns it wants for it will rot for many years to go. To see this Historic Place rot is very hard for me. I just found out my Old Boss from Kinsey Jack Ryser died in Aug He was the last living boss I had there. He was 96 years old!
Time is passing very Quickly and it is hard to believe that I am one of a few former workers there still living! Talked to Ludy yesterday He turned 96 this passed Friday!

Dave Z
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oke&coke
09-17-2014, 03:18
First time posting in these threads but the last post made me act. Keep up the good work with your story. Put up as many pics and stories as you can. It is great to see the whiskey world through the eyes of someone that lived it. Hats off to you Dave.

dave ziegler
10-06-2014, 13:26
I just got this picture from my Friend Butch who worked at Publicker in Phila.
Times Square 1940's the building the ball drops from and on top is an ad for Kinsey Blended Whiskey. It is the only brand of ours I know of that was on there. Kinsey was very loved in New City back then and after Prohibition ended.
Dave Z
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