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fog
02-20-2008, 13:29
Please rank the wheated bourbons currently being produced from your favorite to least favorite.

jbaker
02-20-2008, 13:42
A good topic. I wish I knew more readily which were which. I was going to propose a forum to delineate which current recipes fall into which category. Maybe I should start that? Or is there something already out there?

jwrussell
02-20-2008, 13:54
Well, it's easy for me as I have very little experience with the Wheaters.

William Larue Weller 2007 (BTAC)
Lot B
Makers Mark

OscarV
02-20-2008, 14:05
Let's start by listing all the wheaters first, I'll start with what I know.
* = no longer available

William Larue Weller 2005 BTAC *
William Larue Weller 2006 BTAC *
William Larue Weller 2007 BTAC
W L Weller 12 yo
W L Weller Special Reserve
W L Weller Centennial
Old Weller Antique
Old Rip Van Winkle 15yo 107 *
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo 107
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo 90
Pappy Van Winkle 23yo
Pappy Van Winkle 20yo
Pappy Van Winkle 15yo
Van Winkle Special Reserve Lot "B"
Very Special Old Fitzgerald 12yo
Old Fitzgerald 1849
Old Fitzgerald Bottled In Bond
Maker's Mark
Virginia Gentleman
Rebel Yell

Some one help me out, are the last two wheater's?

NickAtMartinis
02-20-2008, 14:14
Some one help me out, are the last two wheater's?

I'm not sure but you've drunk mucho wheated bourbon.:grin:



Edit:


Let's start by listing all the wheaters first, I'll start with what I know.

Nevermind Oscar, I'm stupid.:lol:

spun_cookie
02-20-2008, 14:26
Pappy Van Winkle 23yo (B version)
William Larue Weller 2005 BTAC
Pappy Van Winkle 23yo (A Version)
William Larue Weller 2006 BTAC
Pappy Van Winkle 20yo
W L Weller Centennial
William Larue Weller 2007 BTAC
W L Weller Special Reserve
Van Winkle Special Reserve Lot "B"
Pappy Van Winkle 15yo
Old Weller Antique
Old Rip Van Winkle 15yo 107
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo 107
Old Rip Van Winkle 10yo 90
Very Special Old Fitzgerald 12yo
Maker's Mark


Others I cannot recall... I'll add later... (thanks for the List Oscar)

TomH
02-20-2008, 14:59
My order of preference

ORVW 15/107
Pappy 15
WLW BTAC 2006
WLW BTAC 2005/2007
Pappy 20
Weller 12 (Everett's)
Pappy 23
Van Winkle Lot B
Weller Centenial
Weller 12
ORVW 10

Tom

gothbat
02-20-2008, 15:45
PVW23 (SB barrel 2)
PVW20
'06 WLW
VOF*
W.L. Weller Centennial
OF: BIB*
VWSR12 (current)
W.L. Weller Antique 107
ORVW10 107 (current)
PVW15 (current)
MM
ORVW10 90 (current)
'07 WLW
W.L. Weller Special Reserve


I'm quite sure I tried a few more than what I listed but I can't remember them all. Since wheat is my favorite kind of bourbon I'll say that the ones at the bottom of my list aren't as bad as their position would imply. Where I ranking all of the bourbon I tried I think that most of these would be in the top 50%.

Isn't there a W.L. Weller 19 from the BTAC's of years past?

StraightBoston
02-21-2008, 06:51
Don't forget some of Julian's variations (all out of print):

Old Commonwealth *
Delilah's 10yo *
Twisted Spoke *

For the MO tasters:

David Nicholson 1843

For overseas:

Maker's Mark 95pf (black wax) *
Maker's Mark 101pf (gold wax) *
I.W. Harper President's Reserve *

And I think Oscar missed:

Old Fitzgerald Prime 86pf *
Old Fitzgerald Prime 80pf

(I'll post my ranking when I get back home to my tasting notes...)

LarryG
02-21-2008, 06:59
Virginia Gentleman
Rebel Yell

Some one help me out, are the last two wheater's?Don't know about Virginia Gentleman, but Rebel Yell is. I distinctly remember reading that here on SB.com shortly after passing over some RY in a store, not realizing it was a wheater.

An interesting and enlightening thread, for those of us who are still in the early stages of our journey through the wide world of bourbon ...

Larry

Gillman
02-21-2008, 07:58
Just for information purposes, www.asmithbowman.com states that VG is made from "corn, rye and malted barley".

Gary

doubleblank
02-21-2008, 08:47
Also, just for information purposes, Julian did many other bottlings not yet mentioned using wheated bourbon that are no longer produced. I have an Old Rip 12yo/105 proof that is excellent. Then there's the Blue Smoke 18yo, Berghoff 14yo, etc etc.

Julian brought one of his unique bottlings, his personal favorite, to the Gazebo and shared it with us several years ago. It was a 14yo (or 16yo) from early '70's SW bourbon. Most of us concured, it was at or near the top of the best SW whiskeys we had ever tasted.

It would be difficult (impossible?) to make a complete list of all wheated bourbon bottlings if we include these out of production examples.

Randy

Gillman
02-21-2008, 10:34
Randy's modesty prevents him from mentioning "Van Blankle", a single barrel bottling of Lot "B" he commissioned and kindly gifted to all who asked. And it's a fine whiskey to boot.

Gary

scopenut
02-21-2008, 11:17
I'm one of the seemingly few who prefer wheaters (by a slight margin). Ranking the ones I've tried:

Pappy 15/107
WLW BTAC 2006
ORVW 10/107
Pappy 20
WLW BTAC 2005
WLW BTAC 2007
Pappy 23
Weller Centennial
Weller 12
Van Winkle Lot B

-Kevin

fogfrog
02-21-2008, 11:34
whats BTAC?

Also, I noticed for Old Fitz at the store that the BIB is a lot more than the 80 proof in price. also, hows the 1849? Don't know which one to buy.....

NickAtMartinis
02-21-2008, 12:29
I'm one of the seemingly few who prefer wheaters (by a slight margin).


Actually, I think you're one of many.

NickAtMartinis
02-21-2008, 12:31
whats BTAC?

Also, I noticed for Old Fitz at the store that the BIB is a lot more than the 80 proof in price. also, hows the 1849? Don't know which one to buy.....


BTAC is an acronym for Buffalo Trace Antique Collection. It is a collection of bourbon that is put out usually every fall by BT. It consists of Sazerac Rye, Thomas Handy Rye, Eagle Rare and George T. Stagg.


As for Old Fitz, the BIB would be more since the proof is 100. I've never tried the 1849 myself. But my suggestion is to buy the BIB. I have a current bottle and it's a good wheated bourbon. A one liter bottle cost me $19.99, I believe.

OscarV
02-21-2008, 13:24
How about Society Of Bourbon Connoisseurs, Twisted Spoke, Old Commonwealth and the original Black Maple Hill's?
They were bottled by JVWIII, are they wheaters?

nor02lei
02-21-2008, 13:28
There is a hell of a lot of good ones. If I have to pick one I think it would be WLW-06. To hard to rank after that.

Leif

jburlowski
02-24-2008, 13:47
[quote=NickAtMartinis;112560]BTAC is an acronym for Buffalo Trace Antique Collection. It is a collection of bourbon that is put out usually every fall by BT. It consists of Sazerac Rye, Thomas Handy Rye, Eagle Rare and George T. Stagg.quote]

... and William Larue Weller.

jbaker
02-24-2008, 14:01
I'm one of the seemingly few who prefer wheaters (by a slight margin).

I'm with you Kevin and Nick!

NickAtMartinis
02-24-2008, 18:13
[quote=NickAtMartinis;112560]BTAC is an acronym for Buffalo Trace Antique Collection. It is a collection of bourbon that is put out usually every fall by BT. It consists of Sazerac Rye, Thomas Handy Rye, Eagle Rare and George T. Stagg.quote]

... and William Larue Weller.


Thanks, John. Missed it.

ggilbertva
02-24-2008, 21:00
Well, if you hadn't put the condition that the list be current, my list would be longer.

WLW '06
Pappy 15
ORVW 10
Weller Antique
Weller 12 (Binny's)

As for older/out of production, my top favorite is SW Old Fitz BIB, followed by ORVW 15

JamesW
03-10-2008, 18:53
Hi Folks,

This was the thread that got me to finally sign up here. The wheated are my favorite!

PVW 15
PVW 20
Weller Centennial 13 year "Julio's"
RVWFR "lot b"
Weller Antique 107

going to try some ORVW 10/107 this weekend as I'm doing a bourbon run with a buddy to Boston (about 2 hrs away) Anyone think it's worth $35 vs $19 for Weller Antique?

NickAtMartinis
03-10-2008, 19:07
Hi Folks,

This was the thread that got me to finally sign up here. The wheated are my favorite!

PVW 15
PVW 20
Weller Centennial 13 year "Julio's"
RVWFR "lot b"
Weller Antique 107

going to try some ORVW 10/107 this weekend as I'm doing a bourbon run with a buddy to Boston (about 2 hrs away) Anyone think it's worth $35 vs $19 for Weller Antique?


James, I would say it's worth buying one. At $35 for ORVW 10/107, that's more than steep. More like highway robbery. Here in CT, the highest I've seen it is $29.99. The lowest, $25.49. The store that had the latter price, I purchased four bottles. However, if you haven't tried it then, in my opinion, you've got to try it once. After that, if it's the same price, I'd say pass. But, it is better than the Antique. Those two are my every day pours, if ever I had one.

P.S. I agree with you that the 15 is better than the 20. This is just my opinion but I think the 10/107 is better than the 20.

JamesW
03-10-2008, 19:14
James, I would say it's worth buying one. At $35 for ORVW 10/107, that's more than steep. More like highway robbery. Here in CT, the highest I've seen it is $29.99. The lowest, $25.49. The store that had the latter price, I purchased four bottles. However, if you haven't tried it then, in my opinion, you've got to try it once. After that, if it's the same price, I'd say pass. But, it is better than the Antique. Those two are my every day pours, if ever I had one.

P.S. I agree with you that the 15 is better than the 20. This is just my opinion but I think the 10/107 is better than the 20.

The 10/107 better than the 20? Now you've peaked my interest. btw - I'm out in Western Ma- any stores in Ct that you can recommend within driving distance with a good selection... any with an online menu?

I'm enjoying some PVW 15 as we speak, man I love this stuff!

NickAtMartinis
03-10-2008, 19:36
The 10/107 better than the 20? Now you've peaked my interest. btw - I'm out in Western Ma- any stores in Ct that you can recommend within driving distance with a good selection... any with an online menu?

I'm enjoying some PVW 15 as we speak, man I love this stuff!


James, the PVW 15 is the best of the VW's in my opinion.

Unfortunately, James, I'm located in Eastern CT instead of Western so I really don't know of any places. And in my location, all the VW's are gone sans the Lot B and 20.

As far as online stores go, you should try Binnys.com, Samswine.com, Shoppersvineyard.com. Also check the following link. After clicking, scroll down to "Retailer Web Sites and Links." http://www.buffalotrace.com/guide_links_m.asp

That should help you out somewhat.

Mark


P.S. Sam's Wine has ORVW 10/107 for $29.99. In the end, you'd be paying the same once shipping was included.

Check these prices out. Do not buy from here!!!! These prices rival Internet Wine's: http://www.missionliquor.com/Store/Qstore/Qstore.cgi

JamesW
03-10-2008, 19:43
Thanks Mark. I used to live in south county RI and know a store in Warwick that has great bourbon deals. If you're not too far you might make a trip. Here's the site... Cheers! (http://www.oxfordwineroom.com/wineonline/ri_joyals/region.asp?region=14&B1=Go)

btw - MA doesn't allow out of state shipments of booze :-(

NickAtMartinis
03-10-2008, 19:46
Thanks Mark. I used to live in south county RI and know a store in Warwick that has great bourbon deals. If you're not too far you might make a trip. Here's the site... Cheers! (http://www.oxfordwineroom.com/wineonline/ri_joyals/region.asp?region=14&B1=Go)

btw - MA doesn't allow out of state shipments of booze :-(


Thanks, James!


Too bad about your inability to receive out of state alcohol shipments. Though, CT doesn't allow it either but Shoppersvineyard will ship to me as well as others. Binny's and Sam's won't, however. I am not saying take the chance but just letting you know.;)

JamesW
03-10-2008, 19:54
Thanks, James!


Too bad about your inability to receive out of state alcohol shipments. Though, CT doesn't allow it either but Shoppersvineyard will ship to me as well as others. Binny's and Sam's won't, however. I am not saying take the chance but just letting you know.;)


Thanks for the heads up!http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Just an FYI on that site in Warwick.... make sure to call ahead for availability because not everything online is in stock but the prices are pretty good if they have it

NickAtMartinis
03-10-2008, 19:56
Thanks for the heads up!http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Just an FYI on that site in Warwick.... make sure to call ahead for availability because not everything online is in stock but the prices are pretty good if they have it


Thanks.

James, I sent you a Private Message.

CorvallisCracker
03-13-2008, 11:17
Of those currently on the market:

PVW 15, VW Lot B (tie)
Weller 7/107
Weller 12/90, Weller Centennial 10/100 (another tie)
Weller SR 7/90
Makers Mark
Old Fitz BIB

Rebel Yell


Have not tried WLW, any other VW/PVW/ORVW offerings, or the NAS Old Fitz "1849".

Markoturbo
03-13-2008, 20:49
Of those currently on the market:

PVW 15, VW Lot B (tie)
Weller 7/107
Weller 12/90, Weller Centennial 10/100 (another tie)
Weller SR 7/90
Makers Mark
Old Fitz BIB

Rebel Yell


Have not tried WLW, any other VW/PVW/ORVW offerings, or the NAS Old Fitz "1849".
Scott, Have you tried For Roses Single Barrel or the Forester Birthday 2007 or the ORVW 10 107?, From your current listing I am sure these will meet your taste buds on a positive note, Mark

Markoturbo
03-13-2008, 20:54
Scott, Have you tried For Roses Single Barrel or the Forester Birthday 2007 or the ORVW 10 107?, From your current listing I am sure these will meet your taste buds on a positive note, Mark
OK I did not see your statement on the end about the ORVW, sorry Mark

CorvallisCracker
03-14-2008, 09:40
Scott, Have you tried For Roses Single Barrel or the Forester Birthday 2007 or the ORVW 10 107?, From your current listing I am sure these will meet your taste buds on a positive note, Mark

If not on my list, it means I haven't tried it.

I haven't seen any Four Roses here in Oregon, or any ORVW. VW Lot B and PVW 20 & 23 are available at "Big Y" in Eugene, and the Lot B at one other store in that town, and the PVW at another store there. But haven't seen ORVW anywhere.

I think I've seen the Forester Birthday, so I may try that if I see it again.

Thanks for the information!

JamesW
03-14-2008, 11:24
I do not believe the Forester B-Day Bourbon is a wheated bourbon. I have a bottle and can certainly taste the Rye. I like it very much so by all means get yourself one! (just tell us about it on another thread http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif)

CorvallisCracker
03-14-2008, 17:40
I do not believe the Forester B-Day Bourbon is a wheated bourbon. I have a bottle and can certainly taste the Rye. I like it very much so by all means get yourself one! (just tell us about it on another thread http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif)

James, I think you're right - all of the Old Forester bourbons are corn/rye.