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dave ziegler
03-16-2008, 09:20
On Saturday I took a mask and a good flashlight and took a trip in total darkness to get some pictures of the inside of the 1966 Bottling house that Continental built from Warehouse U which in its time was the worlds largest one floor warehouse till they moved Liqour Bottling to Kinsey from Phila in 1966 and created what in its time was the worlds most mondern Bottling House. It was so dark Pitch dark that in brightening the pictures some colors will be off. I will be sending these pictures to Jeff and when he can he will put them on for me as my computer at home just will not do it but I can send them to him from my work computer and they will be here for you to look at Please look for the atachments after the title and then the pictures will be there. They had many lines and many tanks inside and the building ran 3/4 of the front of the plant. I also shot some pictures of the inside of #38 Blend & Gauge building and the outside of the bottling house and its special incoming black colored tanks now that they have mowed there. I wanted to get these pictures while I could still get in to get them and ended up with an Asthma attack but I want the History in pictures to be preserved and this was one of the last chances I had to preserve it on the SB. They had when this was running the ability to make around 1/2 a Million cases of Whiskey those days. It was very sad to walk through and see all the ruin in there, it is in worse shape then any building there and I have shots of the lab with old bottles laying around, the building is so large and long that I took a shot halfway back of a tiny light coming through a hole in the metal roll door at the far end and it is really in the distance. One of the neatest sets of pictures are the ones of the incoming lines marked Blender,Gin,Vodka,Scotch Whiskey. In its time the Continental Bottling house was one of the most amazing operations ever made and a tribute to the Chairman of Continental Distilling Simon Neuman! Please comeback to look when you see the atachments marked on this thread. I am very proud to have worked for Continental and very sad to see there show place Kinsey Distillery sitting in ruin. I hope that the pictures I have put on and these will show what a amazing and great place Kinsey was and what a great Company Contiental Distilling / Publicker Industries was!
Dave Z

mozilla
03-18-2008, 04:36
Here are some of Dave's recent pic's of the Bottle House:

dave ziegler
03-18-2008, 06:33
Here are some of Dave's recent pic's of the Bottle House:
A quik note Having not worked in the Bottle house I was not sure how many Bottling lines where running I found some old Paper work for sales bussiness stating that they had 11 continueous bottling lines running at all times during shifts. And I found a paper stating at that period of time during one of the years they had made 463,000 cases of Whiskeys Ect so far for output
Dave

dave ziegler
03-18-2008, 08:28
A quik note Having not worked in the Bottle house I was not sure how many Bottling lines where running I found some old Paper work for sales bussiness stating that they had 11 continueous bottling lines running at all times during shifts. And I found a paper stating at that period of time during one of the years they had made 463,000 cases of Whiskeys Ect so far for output
Dave
I made a special trip back to get these pictures for History It was cold and very dirty in there and Pitch dark I went with a flashlight a mask and my Digital Camera and then had to lighten them up on the computer but they turned out ok. In its day with the 11 lines running it was a powerhouse of a bottling Plant and if you look on the pictures of the lines you can read Blender, Gin, Vodka and Scotch I have sent some more pictures of the outside and inside to Jeff, they had around 250-+- people working in this building during both shifts and 600 people had good paying jobs and Lives when it was running. I sent Jeff some pictures of the Black Incoming tanks as you can see them now that they mowed and cut around them. I don't know if I will ever get back but my Memoories will go on and when I am gone the pictures here will live on for History I hope everyone enjoys all the Pictures I have put on by the help of Jeff to remember Publicker / Continental / and Kinsey Distillery which was a wonderful place to work for a 19 year old Kid! Note the Picture of the special Telephone near the tanks inside made to be explosion proof for emergenys and the old Timkin paper graph telling how things were running, also some of the lines and tankage in there, there were many more tanks and as I have said before they had 2 Million Gallons cap of tankage in the plant. Aso the 2 pictures of the Laboratory in the bottle house. Continental had 4 Labs one at the Plant one at the DSP#1 Phila Location one at Chesnut St in Phila and one in Essington Pa plus a cooperage Plant there too!
Dave

dave ziegler
03-18-2008, 09:52
Here are some of Dave's recent pic's of the Bottle House:
I just showed my pictures to an engineer at work and he said the Big Cabitnet with Paper Disc is a Honeywell Strip Chart Recorder, used to measure differances for day to day for Quality reasons. I mistakenly called it Timkin as the old ones from the late 1930's in the still when it was standing said Timkin I remember from my Yard gang trips in there to sweep and keep the place clean at all times even though it had not been used since the mid 1950's. I am glad to work where I can find great people to help me keep the facts right!
Dave

boone
03-18-2008, 10:18
A quick note Having not worked in the Bottle house I was not sure how many Bottling lines where running I found some old Paper work for sales business stating that they had 11 continuous bottling lines running at all times during shifts. And I found a paper stating at that period of time during one of the years they had made 463,000 cases of Whiskeys Ect so far for output
Dave

Hi Dave,

Thanks for posting pictures of the bottlinghouse :grin: :grin: I've been looking really hard to see if there's a difference between now and then. I know the machinery will look different but the outcome will still be the same. Not much left of the bottling lines to compare.

I noticed the incoming feed lines are floor level. That's very unusual, to be in a open area. All of ours are up high and on a "Platform" with a floating drain.

In the second row, picture #1 I noticed right off the bat a "filter" (center) Inside that filter there it is a really thick piece of felt like material that we call a "sock"... That sock prevents large pieces of char, dirt, from clogging the stems in the filler. It's on all lines in bottling operations.

Thanks for posting :grin: :grin:

mozilla
03-19-2008, 08:12
Here are some more of the Bottle House and surrounding area:

spun_cookie
03-19-2008, 20:59
Dave,
I have been following your stories... thank you very much. I much enjoy reading them.
Emerald

dave ziegler
03-27-2008, 02:23
Dave,
I have been following your stories... thank you very much. I much enjoy reading them.
Emerald
Hi Emerald glad you are enjoying my stories I want to keep the History going and tell the stories while I am alive to do it. I have not written anything the last few days as my wonderful old Beagle / Springer Nikki died and I am having a hard time as we got him when my Mother was living and now they are both gone. When you are totally alone life is very hard. I will be trying to do some writting soon as it will keep me busy and that is good when you are alone. Be Well Emerald!
Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-08-2008, 03:58
I am very glad that I went back those times and got these Pictures I did, in a way it was a theraputic thing for me having almost died Jan 2007. Going there the memories just came pouring in. In my mind I could see the old trucks roaring back and forth hauling barrels and the trip into the 1966 State of art Bottle house was important to me just for the sake of catching some history before it is taken away! Even though you can't see to much it was total drankness that day in there and I had 3 flashlights the pictures came out ok as you can see. I wanted people to see how big the Bottle house was it was really Big. It was at that time the biggest Bottle House in 1966. The Building ran 3/4 of the front of the property. When it opend it had around 450 to 500 people working in it 2 shifts and OT 5 days a week. They could load 3 Box cars out front and still do 3 to 5 Trucks at the end. I remeber the few times I got in there being amazed at all that was going on the one end was a maze of Stainless tanks some in my pictures but not half of what there were and still are in there. then the many Lines and through the last wall at the end the cases would be put on pallets and stored till shipped all in this one long Building. When it was set up it was a work of art and the greatest Bottle House in the world in 1966. Simon Neuman always did things big and this made the old Bottle House In Phila look like a toy! Since it will never be again I have worked all I can to preserve the History of Continental and Kinsey and of the Vision Of Mr Neuman a Man who when He made His Mind up went to work and got it to Happen. Today People would rather close a company to get a one time Profit He saw profit as a growing process where everyone gained in a long and large Process which led to Greatness, His Legecy Is He Was A Man of Great Ideas and not afraid to try something New and Publicker Industies and its companys will always be remembered by me as an American succes story and Power house of a company maker of Industrial Alcohol that supplied nearly every Medical Company in the USA, and world Maker of Wonderful Whiskeys, Ryes and other Liqours, and Maker of Dry Ice a real inovation at that time to catch the Carbon Di and use it right out of the Distilling process for Dry Ice! All these and the other things I have said speak of Mr Neuman and his Leadership!
I will as Long as I live be Proud that I worked for Continental Distilling and I hope my Stories and Pictures in these differant threads will give great insite to Publicker IND!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 03:58
Here is another picture taken in the 1966 Continental Bottle House Last fall, one of some others I have to put up yet.
Dave
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dave ziegler
05-14-2008, 04:49
Here is another shot of the Singer Bottling Machines in Building O. The Bottle House is so big it takes a long time getting shots and most of it is so dark. I hope to get some more one of these days
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-19-2008, 04:57
Here is a couple Pictures of the Bottle Of Kinsey Silver that Ludy gave me plus some of the other Empty Collectable bottles he gave me. First two Pictures are the 4/5 Pint of Kinsey Silver which I enjoyed two shots from, next a old Kinsey Gold bottle 1944, and a old Kinsey clear bottle 1942, Next one I have wanted for years an Old Treasure whiskey Bottle, then a mini Pinwinnie Bottle 1/10 with its box! I listened to a few stories from Ludy and got a rare picture of the Distillery in 1937 which I borrowed and will post on my Memories thread! These Bottles were all bottled at the Linfield Bottling house 1966
Dave Z
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mozilla
05-19-2008, 06:45
Dave,
What kind of whiskey is Old Treasure? I see that it is blended in Belgum???

dave ziegler
05-19-2008, 16:06
Jeff The Information I have found states that Old Treasure ,was yes from Belgum and was completely blended of 12 year old straight Whiskeys! It states on the Bottle Every Drop of this fine Whiskey is 12 years Old! Its smoothness can only be achieved through this careful Long aging! 86 Proof. They imported it and botted it at Linfield and Lemont Ill Bottle house. Boy makes me wish it was a full bottle, bet it was super stuff! PS the bottle date on the bottom is 12-66 the year I started there Distillery D-90 their number.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-01-2008, 17:59
Well I went for another walk in total drakness for the sake of History and here are a few more 1966 Bottle House pictures from Kinsey! Sometimes I think I must be nuts crawling through weeds, ticks and holes to get there, then walking in Must, mildew, mold and bad air for history but it is a passion of mine to get all the pictures I can for the history of Kinsey Distillery, and even though I have bad Asthma I still go and do it for the love of the history of Kinsey. Here are some new Bottling house pictures I even climbed up on to the Platform where they had some more Tanks to get shots. I hope everyone enjoys these. Pic 1 is a safety sign the other side of a two sided one.
Pic 2 & 3 are Bottling Machines pic 4 another shot of the Tax seal machine it cut & numbered all tax seals, note old seals laying there with gloves as if they were coming back! Pic 5,6,7,8,9 are the tank platform and Piping I climbed to get pictures, and pIC 10 IS THE HOLE IN THE WALL FOR THE FIRRST LINE NUMBER 1 A.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-02-2008, 05:57
I have to admit even though it is moldy and dirty in the 1966 Bottle house now, it is always exciting for me to get there and find things to get pictures of to preserve for History and I enjoyed climbing the Platform to get the pictures of the tanks! When I am in there I think of the many People who worked in the bottling around 500 on two shifts! Names Like Ludy and Bud & Pappy and so many People I can think back and see them working there. On the Publicker Brosure I put a picture of here on the thread Bottling machines and other stuff were pictures of the Linfield Bottle house inside and the Bigler street Industrial bottle house at that time and Ludy when I gave him a copy saw a Lady he knew in one of the Pictures on the far right standing on a Platform there, Her name He said was Josephine Peiffer If you go to Pic set seven on the thread bottling machines and other stuff on the bottom row of the brosure second pic I think, pictures far right on it last pic you will see a actual picture of her in the Continental 1966 bottle house doing industrial Alcohol ! These Memories will now be saved do to the Pictures and stories, they are stories of a great Company and the Great work force they had and a Chairman who was a born Leader of Men and always took the chances that paid off to make the company a great Leader in what they did, Mr Si Neuman!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
07-18-2008, 05:14
I am hoping when colder weather comes to get some more 1966 Bottle House Pictures as it is so dark and so big a building that I have to be careful the Flash light does not die when in there. All the tanks on the above picture are labeled things like Rubbing Alcohol and were being used in the early to mid 1980's till 1986 when they still made industrial Alcohol plus solvents and Custom Whiskeys for sale to others bulk. Also made and Bottled Anitfreeze theirs and other companys like Esso, Shell Mobil and many more even Pine Oil. It is always hard for me to see it rotting there, I find myself wishing I could buy it and fix all the buildings up and that I could have some how saved the old #12, and wish I could save the remaining Old Buildings out front. But I will keep it alive by writting and telling of what was an Amazing Place!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
11-10-2008, 06:21
This sunday I went through with my New High power Digital camera and got a few new shots inside the 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling house which that year was the worlds largest and most High Tech bottling house for Whiskey!
Here are some of the shots
Pic 1. Front Docks to service Box cars and trucks at the same time note How long this building is as when you see the Inside pictures you can not see by eye from one end to the other.
The Building was setup with 4 basic rooms, front room end coming from Building H side warehousing of Filled cases of Whiskey and Plant Maintaince on the back side. all rooms had docks. Section 2 Lines bottling and of finished Product going to warehouse end to be skided through wall, Lab Lunch Room and Offices on the back side. Section 3 Loading of Bottles and all stuff needed Lines begin. And section 4 all the way at the far end Tankage of incoming Whiskeys from Big Black tanks Pic 2.Black tanks.
Pic 3. Looking toward far end these shots were taken in total darkness I pointed My Flashilight then holding my New camera in one hand turned off the light holding the camera in that direction and took the pictures some of them look like the lights are on great Nikon Camera!

Pic 4. Looking toward the Warehouse H side of the Bottle House
Pic 5. Another looking that way
Pic 6. thru 7. Bottling House Lunch room Old Vending Machine for Pastry can be seen
Pic 8.thru 14 what was the Linfield State of Art Laboratory
Pic 15. Line B-2 coming from section 3
Pic 16. Line B-2 in section 3 note Emergency Light above it was state of art those days to have this so my Safety Guy where I work now says
Pic. 17 & 18 Takage above
Pic 19. Pipes coming from section 4 incoming whiskey
Pic 20.Looking back toward Lab & Lunch room
Pic 21.thru 23.Safety Signs
Pic 24 Looking back toward end near Warehouse H
Pic Fire Box Location.
Hope these are enjoyable I have fire Tower Pictures Plant pictures and old from Bottle house and Mantaince Barn pictures to post later.

I am very Pleased at how good the Pitch dark pictures turned out and will go back to get Tankage shots in the 1966 Bottling house soon as you can see from the Pictures it is dirty and bad air so most times i wear a mask and do not stay long!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-12-2008, 02:08
While taking Pictures in the 1966 Bottling house I found a folder of pictures and parts discription for the Bottling machines they were using I scaned them and will now post them. I also have the written manual pages. I brought them home to save them for Distillery History. These were real Black and white photos and I hope they are readable. The booklet says on the cover for Bottling Line A-1 which is one of the the Pictures I posted yesterday where Line A-1 came through and part of it.

If you look on the page before Pictures 14 & 18 are Line A-1! That was the line these bottle machinces were on. Also if you look at the second to last picture here you can see bottles on the Bottling Machine in the Picture.
Dave Z
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mozilla
11-17-2008, 19:23
Nice pictures, Dave. Looks like you are getting the hang of the new camera...in no time.

Thanks for working so hard on this project. It sure is fun keeping up with all the photos and commentary. The stories behind the pictures really helps put substance to the images.

Do you think there would be any good information concerning distillation proofs and mashbills in the lab?

dave ziegler
11-18-2008, 02:28
Jeff I have never seen any Papers on mash bills as the the Still in Linfield was not used after spring 1951. There no papers from Phila that I have seen other then telling them stuff. I would be willing to bet that when they abandon the big stills down in Phila you would have found some stuff like that but after Overland wrecking cought the place on Fire that was it then then Dep & osha stepped in and it is no more. When things are open where there are papers I always try to find some interesting ones. I found lists of Whiskeys they wanted to sell they had there before it closed.

I will check out papers in the Lab again next time can't stay in there long as very dusty wear a mask and damp in there but lately seems better and one never knows. They may have some tests on stuff they were going to bottle.



Alot of the leftover whiskey burned up in L building when Kids set pallets of them on fire. Nothing left now but ashes. When I sip my Old Hickory I just have a hard time in believing that Continental / Publicker is gone. As I always say if Mr Si Neuman was alive today so would Kinsey Be, and I am willing to bet there would be a new Still operating there, as there was talk of that from the old timers when I worked there. Mr Neuman loved the Kinsey Plant and would come up at least once a month to drive around it. After building the New Bottle house He had High hopes for the Place that he called a jewel on the River!
Dave Z
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It Seems All The nicest People Drink Old Hickory
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dave ziegler
11-20-2008, 15:55
Back in 1974 / 1975 When Publicker decided to Make a Liberty Bell decanter for the Bicentenial in 1976 for their Philadelphia Blended Whiskey little did they know the trouble they would have! First the early Ones had a crack at the seam and leaked there and when they tried to return them the company that made them refused so they had to sue from what I have been told! Then when they got the good ones boy did they present a leak problem alot of times! They had advertised so much they had to go ahead with the project.

They even Had a back label on the 1975 Bottles telling people to look for the Libery Bell decanter at their Liqour store and it had a picture of it. I luckily Have couple of these demo bottles with the picture label.

Ludy told me they took hundreds apon hundreds of them down to the dump that had the bad seam. He gave me two of some he kept as they looked so neat. I also have some I bought one being full but everyone I had to glue a new Cork on the top as that was another problem the Cork broke all the time on them! This was another losing deal for them and 3 yrs later they quit the Whiskey Bussiness!
Dave Z
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Jono
11-20-2008, 19:59
Dave, those Singer bottling machines still look pristine...salvagable?

dave ziegler
11-21-2008, 02:45
Jono I would be willing to bet that some of them could be used again, when they had the auction those just were not sold and have sat since 1986. Not being in the bussiness anymore I also would not be surprised if they don't still use that type as they were very good and well made Bottling machines. Everything they ever bottled there they used those type of bottling machines in the mix. Ludy used to have one of his big jobs was setting them up and repairing things on them. Back when I went in the big bottle house back in around 1967 to do some moving with the yard gang it was quite a sight seeing 11 lines all running perfectly and at each end a fork truck hauling the finished product to the back side storage, the whole time trucks and Box cars were being loaded and the place looked like a city in there with all those people each doing their part as whiskey bottles filled continuosly. There were that year around 450 to 500 poeple in the bottling house on 2 shifts. And as Ludy told me the building is about 2 football fields in length. At the far right end where the big black tanks are were many tanks and lines for each type of Spirit. I have pictures on here of the plates that say incoming-- Bourbon, Gin ,Scotch, blended ect. I have since brought home two of those old tags. They had millions of gallons of tankage there. And no job was to big for that bottle house. It is hard to picture the day ending and everyone going home and things shut off and the next day nothing ever was turned on again but that is what happened. The old Refridges still have old lunchs in them its sireal for me when I go there. The first time I did I just stood and looked and I thought where has all the time gone and why did it have to end this way? I found myself imagaining the old 1941 ford trucks roaring back and forth with barrels to be dumped and people out back of the bottle house taking a break and the old bottle house cranking out some Peanut Liquor. But no one was there but the birds in the air and the breeze from the river and the noise of creeking doors in the old abandon warehouses. And plant Maintaince empty and no trucks or old cars anywhere except for the old 1958 Ford Continental / Distislling Dump truck that was used to haul things down to the dump and go get stuff!
Dave Z
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Jono
11-21-2008, 08:22
Dave...you have a poet in you:

"But no one was there but the birds in the air and the breeze from the river and the noise of creeking doors in the old abandon warehouses. And plant Maintaince empty and no trucks or old cars anywhere"

I hope you can get a Kinsey History published....maybe start a chapter outline....beginnings....early years....plant info...product info...personal stories details etc.

http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?poemnumber=508173&sitename=sanctus&poemoffset=0&displaypoem=t&item=poetry

http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/5923

Hey Dave, how about building a model of the plant? There is a retirement hobby!

http://www.freewebs.com/photographsblqualls/buildings.htm

dave ziegler
11-24-2008, 08:27
These pictures are of O Building the Government offices & Locker room, a 2 shots from the top of the stairs down at the office. Singer Bottling Machines and 2 Fork lifts that sit in Building L across from where the Bottles of Whiskey burnt up. Also two nice shots of The Warehouses, showing the How you would get out of the fire escape.

To get out you had to go through a door in the wall onto one of the little Balcanies and in a door in it as there were no doors in the walls to it the little porch was designed so as to prevent you getting fire following you. You would close the door and go down the sealed Stair case to escape!
I will be posting my last pictures in a bit on the Memories thread including the Neat old Sign I found!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-26-2008, 06:19
When I take a trip inside the 1966 Bottling House I always make sure to have my Emergency Cell phone and two Flashlights with new batteries! Knowing how long it is two football fields and how very little Light filters in as no windows it is something I do with caution.

It never fails I find new shots or better shots in there in it is such a very big building as you could see by the shot I took of its side the side is bigger then the warehouses.

Starting at the far end where the Big Black incoming tanks outside are is where the Whiskey bottling started, with many tanks and filters and all the incoming lines. Next at the dividing wall where I took pictures where it stated Line A-1 and so on is where cases started their way to the bottling machines, then in the giant middle section there was and I am going to get a picture of it next time a area where the Girls would pack the filled bottles into the cases and then they would travel through another wall at the still area side of the building where there was a giant area to warehouse the filled bottles and to ship them out the front of the building. At the end men would put the cases on pallets and fork trucks like the orange one in my pictures would take them to the warehouse area.

Also Remembering there were 11 lines A-1 through K-11 running this way to the end each one with differant products Blended's Straight's, Scotch's Gin's Vodka's and all going down through the last wall to the Fork truck area from the beginning area to end area where many Fork trucks took them to their respective storeage area. That is How Big the Building was!

Everytime I go in I am amazed at its size everything done in one continueous one floor Building. I would never go in with out at least 2 flashlights and my Phone as in the dark if you did not know your way you could get lost.

When the 1966 Bottling house opened many People other companies came to look at it and many of those companies used us to bottle there Products with our Whiskeys and using are bottle house when they could not keep up with their orders it was a thing of great pride to know that Companies even used our Whiskeys for their products because they knew the Quality of our aging Whiskeys!

Jacquins Of Philadelphia many times called on us to bottle some of their Liquors during the Holiday season in the Old Kinsey Bottle house because they could not meet production. I remember well talking to a guy who said to me I would never drink your Liquors I only drink Jacquins and then he said what the brand and type of Liquor was and I said everytime you drink some you are drinking our Whiskeys and our ingrediants and that lot was bottled right here at the old Kinsey Bottle House!

When you think about how many people worked a shift in the building you relize its size an average of 230 to 250 people on each of two shifts that was big back then!
I will always be proud to have worked for Publicker Industires / Continental Distilling Division at Kinsey and many times wish I could go back to the Future there just one time. It was my All time favorite Place to work and I take great pride in writting about it and Publicker and the wonderful Way Mr Si Neuman ran the place and How much He loved this Distillery on the River in Linfield pa.
I Will Always Love My Memories Of Kinsey Distilling
Dave Z
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Kinsey The Unhurried Whiskey
Philadelphia Blended Whiskey The Heritage Whiskey
Inver House Soft As A Kiss
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dave ziegler
12-03-2008, 02:34
The other night when I spoke to the person that was a very important person in the running of all of Publicker Ind He told me that the 1966 Linfield Bottling House had so much capacity that we could do all our Products and at the same time do all the bottling that Seagrams needed. That is how well it was set up and how big it was back then. As Time goes by I want to learn all I can from Him and pass it on.

With all the information He has the whole story of Continental Distilling & Mr Neuman can be known and if I can help and do a book with him it will be a dream come true for me as I want the world to know what a great Company Publicker was and all its History and what an Amazing Person Mr Neuman was. And The Wonderful Whiskeys we Made and of Course My Favorite Old Hickory.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-15-2008, 09:47
I was asked by Jeff, Why I had called the 1966 Bottling house Building U on my memories thread. The Reason is when it was built after talking to many People and first off on my old Blue prints it was called Building U just as The Government Building was building O the Alpabet which is what they did with every warehouse but the very last one back which was Building #38 and Ludy right now does not remember the special reason I will keep trying to find out.

Any way back before 1965 it was listed on the Blue print as a General Purpose Explosion Proof Building U and I have found out never had any racks so I have been told. Barrels in there were stacked it had the large docks then for filled barrels to come in by box car and truck and be moved from there to the other warehouse buildings for aging. Also it would serve as a place to ship out Barrels of Whiskey to go to Phila to be dumped and bottled at Biggler Street bottle house then. also tankers could have been filled out of Warehouse U and shipped to Phila to unload and bottle.

They decided that they did not want to mess around upgrading Biggler as alot less room down there and since 99% of the Barreled Aging Whiskey that they owned were in warehouses in Linfield that dumping them there and Bottling them there made more sense. This way they would only have to ship up Whiskey to age and when they did could haul finished stuff for over seas down there on the return Trip. So What originally was Warehouse U became the Worlds largest one floor Bottling house with 11 Lines and warehouse storeage of full cases and shipping in just one Building!

And it was so big that even the Clock could stay there covered the whole time the Bottling house did whiskey! It is Two Foot Ball fields Long!

I would not be surprised if this was the Idea even back in the 1940's when they built them but just took a bit to do it with the War and all! Both of the Two Blue prints I have of the Plant which were made before 1965 one being dated 1961 call it Building U all purpose Explosion proof. And this is the only Building this big that was built there I would think with that to happen some day in the Future in Mr Neumans Mind which did happen in 1965/66. Biggler was a very Old Bottling House with nothing near the capacity of Linfield.

Also I meant to speak about the Singer Bottle Machines from what I was told by my Friend who was very high in the Company Mr Neuman bought them all used in perfect condition rather then spend lots of extra money and since he had people Like Ludy who could littery make them Sing! He said Last night that they were very Dependable Machines and being out of the Industry now He does not know for sure but thinks they still use machines like that.
When the Place closed most were auctioned off but some the ones I took pictures of never got bought!

So That is the Story of Building U The All purpose Explosion Proof Warehouse and what it became the worlds Largest One floor Bottling house at that time and a Power House for Bottling Whiskey!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-21-2008, 06:49
It seems no matter how cold or lousy the Weather I try to get to Kinsey every week. I think because I know that one of these days it will all be gone and so I try to see and save and take pictures as much as I can. Saturday with my orange on for hunting season I went in again and mainly got some pictures again outside and in the 1966 Bottling House which was called All Purpose warehouse U in its early days before becoming the world largest bottling house in 1965 /1966.

The tour starts with a Shot I got from a different Angle on the Hill on the Back side of Building O I was able to get all 2 footbal fields worth of the 1966 Bottling House. Looking at the Black Tanks down to the Water tower that is the whole length of the Bottle house it took me till now to get a shot of the whole thing one because weeds have died for the Winter and two finding a angle that you could do it with out cutting some of it out.

Shot 2. I go into the enclosure of the black tanks for incoming Whiskey!
Pic 3. through 11. inside the Tankage area including pictures of Signs on tanks, Meters, stuff on the roof Chillers I think, The far front big white tank hidden by trees, Stairs to the top of the tanks and a Picture inside one of the tanks!

Next Are shots of The Quality Office biins that say Not stamped, outgoing, Greenwich which Meant Greenwich CT company Headquarters and Bigler for the Bigler street Plant.
Next a shot of a soda machine full of Cups never to be used again then Pictures of Tankage inside, A machine that said Whiskey Chiller on its side but I some how in the dark did not get the right part where it was written and the last shot Looking toward the first Bulkhead wall where the Bottle Lines started their journey two football fields to the end where bottles were cased and skided and warehoused!

I hope these Picture are ok as my Lens on my camera was steaming up in the cold damp air in there had to get out quick as not so good for my Asthma in there.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-19-2009, 03:52
In its time the 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling House at Kinsey was the worlds Biggest, I am wondering now having never been in any Bottling houses except it are they bigger today? Do they have more then 11 Lines going all the Time? And could they as we could do our whole Product Line for that day and someone elses as the My Friend who was a top EX with Publicker told me we could?

I know as a fact Ours was the Biggest then but that was a long time ago and I would love to know what amount of Lines does the Biggest one have now and How many People does it take in the biggest one to run it today? We had between 450 to 500 people running ours on two shifts do companys run two shifts of Bottling today?

I am thinking that they are smaller and leaner if for no other reason then less Bourbon and spirits selling compared to the Old Days but not having been to any Distillery other then Our Plant I honestly do not Know.
We did Gin, Vodka,Rum Blended Whiskey and Bourbon all at the same time, and Our Liqours were being made in the Old Kinsey Bottle House at the same time.
Dave Z
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mozilla
01-19-2009, 07:19
I have seen a few bottling lines...some real small and one real big. BT, KBD, Four Roses and HH all have small hand run lines for some of their products. While HH and BT have larger lines for the mass produced products. I have only seen HH's big operation, though. HH has both older and newer lines. Their old lines I would guess are somewhat similar to some of the 1966 BH. While, their new lines are super fast and don't require the hands on maintanence that the older ones do. They also have two huge pallet jacks that are fully automated. The way HH runs their lines and bottling could set the standard for any bottle house in the world. They really know the meaning of teamwork. And Yes, they work double shifts at HH.

Barton does have a decent line in Bardstown. Not huge but looks to be able to get the job done. They were cranking out lot's of product when I was there last. Also, Sam Cecils son works on the Barton line.

dave ziegler
01-20-2009, 03:53
Jeff How big is the building it is in? I doubt anyone has a building the size Continentals was two foot ball fields long but there was allot more Bourbon and Whiskey in General being made and sold those days so I would doubt anyone would ever build a Bottle House like the Kinsey 1966 one ever again!

I am sure there are some better systems but I would be willing to bet there are still some of the Old Bottle Machines out there cranking out Whiskey. It is a real shame that such a modern Bottling House as that was only ran for 13 yrs for Whiskey and then 7 yrs Industrial and was torn apart and left to ruin.

What was great about Building U the Bottle House was it did everything it was shipping, 11 lines of Bottling, warehousing of Full cases and Tankage all in One giant Building, it was truley one of a Kind.
Dave Z
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mozilla
01-20-2009, 06:37
Heaven Hill has a huge warehouse and bottling house. I had purchased a new camera for my first distillery trip. The camera could not even get a good picture in the case storage part of the warehouse because it was soooo big.

Here is a link to the satillite picture of Bardstown. If you look to where Gilkey Run and HWY 49 cross...on the south east corner of town. You will notice that where the "My Ky Home" golf course ends...is the HH Bottle House. Tanks can be seen directly behind the original BH. While the large silver toped area has to be the case goods warehouse.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?city=Bardstown&state=ky#a/maps/l:::Bardstown:KY::US:37.8092:-85.466904:city:Nelson+County:1/m:hyb:7:37.8092:-85.466904:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

mozilla
01-20-2009, 06:42
I was in complete amazement when Bettye Jo showed me how much invintory the facility would hold. Also, that everything in there had already been sold...and they were in the process of moving it all out and filling it up with fresh supplies. It was really hard to believe that what is so impressive to me was just another day of work for the crew in the BH. If BJ sees any of this...she can fill in some of the blanks with actual numbers, which is even more impressive. They really kick some ass at HH.

dave ziegler
02-02-2009, 06:12
Sunday Afternooon I took an icy walk through Kinsey and I got some new Pictures of the 1966 Bottling house outside in the very front side and around that way I have never taken and here they are

1. walking at the front from the still area here is part of the Dock of Building U the 1966 Bottling house. Skids piled high wait for shipment which will never happen.
2. Farther along I was amazed to see more Abandon Singer style Bottling Machines this one looks to be in nice shape for years of sitting outside.
3.The Next 4 Bottling Machines are covered with thorn growth in this picture.
4. Closeup of Weed covered Machines.
5.Going to the Far end from the front to the Big Black tanks Hundreds of Skids wait for use that will never come!
6. I finally walked to the Big white tank tower and the nexts shots will be of it including this one.
7,The last shot of the front door dock 1 at far end of docks
8. The white tank
9. Inside white tank It has a door and I opened it to find it is a vat of some sort I have no clue if anyone does please share could have been for the Anitfreeze operation
10. Here is another strange set up a continuous line that has side guides and drive belt and brought something outside and then back in.
11.Trees growing everywhere at the docks and all over
12. There is another tank of some sort here in the fenced in area
13. Trees taking over the Rails that took Box cars and Tankers to the back part of the Plant from the front of the Bottling House the ones going back came this route and the ones to the far side front warehouses came around the other way
14. The Back tanks from the front side incoming Spirits
15. Another shot of the Black tanks
17. A shot of the inside black tank area from a different Angle
18. This is the best shot I have gotten yet of the Whole Bottling House which starts at the Black tanks and runs down to the water tower 2 football fields long!

Not to bad a job for an Old Guy with Asthma I refuse to not take chances and even went into the old Buildings again as the Old Kinsey Liqour Bottling house is in its last days so I took a picture in it also which will be on the other thread with plant pictures

I will also be posting some plant pictures on the Memories thread today.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-03-2009, 04:14
I am thinking about our most famous Bourbon this morning and My personal all time favorite Old Hickory Straight Bourbon!

If I would have thought the day would come that it was not made anymore I would have stocked up by the case many cases! I have never found any Bourbon made today that tastes like Old Hickory especialy our 86 Proof 10 year Old. It is a very Flavorful and Mellow pour and so many Bottles flowed out of the Linfield Bottle House we had it running almost every day during holiday times and out In Lemont IL and many more back in the day at our Bottle House at Bigler Street in Phila. It was Our Biggest seller and known workld wide.

I used to think when I worked there how cool it was that someone in the UK would be having Old Hickory in the evening while it was day time here and we were bottling it.

It is hard for me to believe I have such a hard time finding any when I get low but it is a fact I guess it was so dam good that people drank it all up for the most part. Anyone who has had it will agree it was a very special Bourbon!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
02-23-2009, 05:30
After posting the picture of my Libery Bell Whiskey Decanter I thought about all the trouble the company Had with them. They were the worst bottle we ever did. There would be continualy ones when sealed that leaked. They made these from 1976/ through 1977.

There was a giant batch of them that had a hair crack in the bell where the fake liberty bell crack was and Continental had to sue the maker as they refused to replace them. They were not our normal bottle maker as the company would always use Diamond Glass bottles but they did not do decanters. Diamond Glass was in Royersford and Continental aways used local venders whenever possible.

The one I have had the cork broken off as all of them did and I replaced it and filtered out the cork through a brown coffee Filter. and reatached the seal.

The only other decanter they ever made was the Andrew Jackson Old Hickory one and it had a regular stopper and worked out they made them in 1955 /56. I have 4 of them all empty.

And they made their Famous Coffee Corafe which came in sets of 2-- 100 proof BIB or 86 proof. They came with an owners manual and could have coffee or water warmed in them on a burner wire to add whiskey to make a hot Toody! I have a set with the box of the 100 proof BIB and three of the other type one was my Dads and the other given to me by someone when I worked there both empty and one that was given me by the Son of my Friend Smitty the Government Man at Kinsey one year just before the Linfield reunuion, which is for people who lived in Linfield where the Company was located.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-18-2009, 02:57
Here are some pictures of some original Promotion Pictures for Products I have from the plant. They were laying trashed in the Old Government Building and I saved them and brought them home for History.
Products are Inver House Scotch, Mac Arthurs Scotch, Old Hickory, and Pinwinnie Scotch! And Finnaly the first one is Caffe Lolita.


Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-22-2009, 05:54
This morning before I go take a walk at Kinsey I have scaned some of my Many pieces of Company paper work, and I will post on all 3 threads the things that go with that thread!
Here are some papers from the Bottling house Files
1. Original Office copy of letter asking permission to make the Philadelphia Blended Whiskey Bicentenial Libery Bell Decanter and
2. The office copy of the return Letter giving permission to do it
3. The office original copy of a letter to Barton Distillers with a list on the back of Stainless tanks the company has for sale, the list was to big to fit here.
4. Inver House Napkins
5. Inver House Napkins front & Back

I am ever so thankful that I was able to save these things from the Kids or the dump for History. I will now post some stuff on the fire Tower thread and the Memories thread.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-05-2009, 16:16
Well I did what I love to do today I took a walk around Kinsey! And the first pictures are in the incoming Black tanks for the 1966 bottleling House then some of the Old Phillip Singer Bottling machines sitting with weeds growing on them on the front dock and finally a picture of lenth of the front dock wanted to get some more pictures before the weeds take over for the summer. There are 9 of the big black incoming whiskey tanks and a big round silver one and then the tall white one which is a Vat for something I have a shot of it and of inside it. And then a shot of the whole front Dock sideways.
Pictures are as follows
1. Sign on one of the big black tanks
2.Incoming whiskey lines from tanks
3. Looking down through the tanks
4. Catwalk to Silver tank with Lights to light the area up
5. Big black Tanks looking up to upper level cat walk
5. Big Silver Tank
7. Big White tank that is a Vat
8. Inside the Door on the White tank
9. Looking down the front dock from far end
10. 3 Phillip Singer Bottling Machines with weeds covering them
11. Another Singer that looks ok and has not been taken over by weeds yet.
12. Looking from the other end down the from dock of the 2 foot Ball fields long Continental Distilling 1966 Bottling House.
Everytime I walk here I just can not believe that it has fallen into such ruin and I have great anger that the Man that ownes it now and left it to rot. I just do not understand why he just walked away from it shutting everything down and leaving it to fall into ruin.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-07-2009, 12:24
This past Sunday I took a hand held Pipe cutter with me to the Plant and went back in the Old Kinsey Post prohibition Bottling house about 1933/34 and got the double Explosion proof switch housing off the wall I then mounted a pilot Light from the stair well of Warehouse P and one of the original Switches that was on it including the old time bobon type brass flip switch from the late 1930's/40's. I could not get the piece of Conduit off as I have to small a Pipe wrench so took it to work and asked the Company Electric Dept Boss and Electrian Paul if he could get The piece off for me.

Well he said not only will I get it off I will wire it this morning for you, well not only did he wire it but he wired it with a heavy 3 prong cord so it would be up to standard so I could use it in my Office so now not only do I have all types of them at home wired for my two Hole outlets but I have this one to enjoy on my Desk. He thought it was very Cool too!

When I go to the Plant I turn out the office lights and when I come back it reminds me of walking into the old warehouses where some of these glowed all the time you when you threw switches others came on.
It brings back the old days as soon as I see it lit in the dark!

People have already come down to check it out and they all like it! it is my way of Keeping our Little Kinsey Bottling house still in my mind it takes me to the day a 19 yr old walked in there to clean and was in awe of the Old Phillip Singer Bottling Machines running tasty Liquors.

It was a very special little Bottling House and every drop of Caffe,Amareta and Peanut Lolita Liquor were bottled there and as I said it ran from the Day Mr kinsey built it till the last day Continental Distilling owned it and bottled spirits. And mr Kinsey Bottled His Rye and other things there in it the few years before He lost the place and it was sold by a silent Auction.

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-22-2009, 06:01
Working For Continenmtal Distilling back in the 1960's I always felt that we were almost always the leader in Ideas. In late 1963/early1964 when Publicker made the Desision to make the all Purpose Explosion Proof single floor warehouse U into a modern state of the Art Bottling House, two Foot ball fields long.

I am of the Opinon that it lead to the many Modern Bottling Houses operating Now such as the Big One at HH which I think opened just after we built and Opened ours in Late 1965/early 1966. Also we had a good working relationship with HH back then and MR Charles Medley and many Ky and other Distillers. And thiose who bought and bottled themselves.

And I am sure there would have been people coming to tour Our Bottling house from many Distillerys as It seemed there were always groups coming to look the place over and see how it worked. When It opened in early Spring 1966 fully it had 11 continous Bottling Lines, separate lines & Tanks incoming for every type of Spirits we made and a full warehousing area for all the finished Products.

We had one thing that I do not know if anyone Distilling Has today and that was that we could Load 3 Rail Box Cars and do many trucks also from the Docks of the bottle House. When I started there in fall 1966 I was in awe of the bottle House. it was so dam Big and around 230 to 250 people worked there in two shifts and we could do our days worth of Bottling and someone Like Seagrams also at the same time.

It was a powerhouse of a bottling Works and each area was separated by Bulkhead walls except the area at the far incoming end where the lines and tanks were the Lines started there at a bulkhead wall and traveled on through two more bulkhead safety walls and came out through the last one near the front Kinsey Buildings which was warehousing and Shipping.

All Boxes Labels and supplies were stored in the Bottle house it was a total self operating Unit and all Bottling operations except Liquor were done there cased there and shipped from there.

When It opened it was said to be The Most Modern Bottling House In The World. We had our own on site Modern lab, Quality control, Nurse and Medical Dispensery in the Bottling. Power House large maintaince Room and Large Lunch room in there!

Also the Telephones at the tank area were explosion proof we had Battery Power emergency lights high up on walls to light areas in an emergency and every safety setup known of in those days and tons of sprinkling and fire fighting Power on site.

About 500 People worked in there on the two shifts and were paid well and for the most part had good lives due to working for Publicker.
And in those days our Products were considered some of the very Best.
This Bottle House made the Phila Bigler Street one look like a toy!

So Many Times I wish could Go back to the Future there just for one day to look at and watch everything in there and talk to the great people who worked there back then, to me writting about Kinsey and Publicker is a work of Love!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-12-2009, 08:38
walking around Kinsey on Sunday Morning I was thinking alot about the Big 1966 Bottling House and I really think it was the proto type for todays large selfcontained Bottling houses of one floor long and having everything from Shipping to warehousing of finished product all in one building. Being able to ship from rail and truck and with every then thought of Safety Feature right down to low power emergensey escape lighting!

Also having extra capacity for jobs bottling to be done for other Companies and being made Explosion proof also.

When built from what I was told by Ludy had a large part of the building with metal racks like the other Warehouses with Barreled aging Whiskey and also some general storing there and shipping. Then around 1964 they started the process of removing the racks and making this 2 football field long building into the Largest Bottling house in the world back then.


I just talked to Ludy and He told Me that it opened in around Mid 1965 and was going full tilt by 1966 the year it officialy opened and I started working there. He left the warehouse Dept and went there in 1965 to be a maintaince Man and helped set up the Singer and other Bottling machines so that by 1966 everything would be totally done.

The Bottling House had its own boss's and Nurse and dispensary seperate from the Plant itself. And its own Lunch room and Locker room. Everything needed there was in the building new cases of Bottles filled Bottles and total shipping dept and warehousing.

It was a thing Of beauty to see operating and all 11 lines filling bottles tanks everywhere and tons of Out put. Before becoming the Bottling house it on my blue print in 1961 of the Plant was called all purpose Warehouse U.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-03-2009, 06:34
Everytime I go to Kinsey it seems so impossible to see the 2 foot ball field long 1966 Bottling house just sitting there with trees and weeds taking it over. What a shame that once Continental was gone that this man who lets it rot did not sell it to someone who could have walked in and made something of all of it.

Everything was still in working order and the Boiler rooms were still working and covered by the granfather act so The Bottling house could have been used for almost any kind of Bottling and at One time Oscar Mayer had talked to Continental about leasing a couple of the Explosion proof warehouses and making them into large Food freezers due to their heavy build and natural coolness but something went wrong as I read were they broke the contract they had to do this on some old Letter Head I found at the plant and this rotten Person bought it to let it rot after Continental closed.

He bought it in 1982 when they had started bottling Antifreeze and they leased the whole front plus a couple of warehouses but he kept trying to up their lease and once they went out just fired everyone working there for him including security shut everything down in 1986 and walked away to let it rot now for 23 yrs. I can't understand buying something to destroy it How someone like this can be well off is weird why let it fall to ruin then want 20 million for it.

In my opinion He must Be nuts! But everytime I go there it kills me to see it like it is. I am hoping my Friends will let me go in the Big Bottle house this summer to get some real good pictures of what is left as there are alot of things I did not get pictures of. It is in total ruin in there and when it rains very wet.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-01-2009, 09:44
Here is something I never thought I would see again or ever own a full Bottle of Our Glen Mavis Blended Scotch. I was able to buy this full bottle on Line and it is being shipped to me this week. In all the yrs I have had a computer I have never seen any Glen Mavis Scotch on line.
Here are a couple of Pictures
1. Front of Quart Bottle
2. Back Of Bottle
3. the back label which is very different as it Has Glen Mavis Distillers Greenwich CT and all the ones I have empty or have seen always have Glen Mavis Distillers Phila.

But the Corporate Offices for Continental Distilling where in Greenwitch CT and that means this is either an early production from Scotland or one of the last ever from Linfield as all were bottled in Linfield that I know of. Once I get it I will look for the yr date on the bottom and that will most likely tell the story.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-19-2009, 17:05
Today I decided I had to take a walk through Kinsey after 4 weekis I just plain missed going there so I went over and got some pictures here are some for the Old 1966 State of Art Bottle House it is being taken over by weeds!

1. Bottling house water tower
2. Weeds taking over the Bottling house
3. I decided to climb the stair case to the Cat walks around the Incoming Liquor Tanks
4. Tanks going up to cat walks
5. Looking down the Cat walk stairs
6.Looking Up at cat walkes above
7. Looking Across the 1966 Bottling House roof from the Cat Walk stairs
8. Tank Capacity incoming Whiskey Tank
9. Looking down through ground tanks on walk way.
10. Plate with the Name of the Local Company that put the tanks in back in spring 1965 for Continental Distilling
11. Tank level meter
12. Looking inside one of the incoming Tanks
13. Inside the Tank
14. Walking toward the incoming Spirits tanks Weeds and Trees all around them.

I really tired myself out today but enjoyed going to Kinsey again for History and once there decided I was going to go up the incoming Tanks stair way to the cat walks as I had not done that yet!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-22-2009, 03:59
A note on Sundays Pictures 3 and 4 the incoming black Bottle house Tanks. They have what looks like a Tar cover on them like a coat made to fit on them. I talked to a projet Engineer Friend of mine as I wondered why the Tar jackets as none of the other Outside storage tanks had that. He said he thought that was to keep the in coming temporatures of the Whiskey and Spirite more stable also insulating from heat and keeping evaporation lower in final operation to be bottled.

I always wondered why They were black when I looked Sunday they looked like they were fitted on the Tanks after the tanks were put there I could slip my hand under them and I would think Piesol Pine did all the work as their Plate in on the tanks stating 1965.

The Bottle House opened Late 1965 and Bigler Street Bottle House Phila was still running and they started hiring big time in 1966 the year I started there and went full speed then closing Bigler down.

This looks like another inovative Idea by Continental Distilling and another reason to be sad such a great and Inovative company is no more.
Dave Z
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fricky
07-22-2009, 06:03
I would expect a black coating or covering to absorb heat.

dave ziegler
08-25-2009, 09:45
Just a couple of notes I talked to my engineer Friend John today about the Black coatings covers on the Bottle House incoming tanks. I told him exactly what I saw when I looked at them this summer and I asked why this cover was only used on the Incoming Tanks at the end of the 1966 Bottling House. His his best guess was the following not knowing the exact process.

Here is what I saw when I looked at the covers.

The covers were black on the outside and were made of Rubberized Asphalt Pitch , I told him the Inside was a sort of Yellow Red and flexable and here is how they worked and what they were on those tanks for he speculates.

John said the outside coating was made of a combination of Asphalt Pitch and rubber coating, to protect the internal fiberos insulation from UV degridation.

The Coatings Purpose apeared to be, to maintain a stable Liquid temporature for the Whiskey and to Minimize the Generation of Condensation which could Dilute and contaminate the Process batch of the types of Whiskey in the tanks.

This would better control Process Quality throughout external outside temperature variations ie summer , winter temporature extrems.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-13-2009, 12:14
Today I also took some of what may be the Last pictures I ever take in the small Kinsey Bottling house built in the 1930's it was the place that Continental Distilling bottled and blended all their Famous Liquor's such as Caffe lolita and Peanut Lolita. It is now in very bad shape with no second floor to go up as I had done till last Nov when it fell down.
I went today at 11:00 Am to get these pictures and it was a beautiful day the pictures are the following
1.& 2. Looking from back of Old Kinsey Bottle house toward the front near the road.
3. The front room where bottles were put back in their cases to be sent up through the floor to the second floor to go out the top wall by fork lift.
4. Old Equipment that has fallen through the second floor to the first
5. Looking up where second floor has fallen
6. Looking from fron end of bottle house near the road toward the plant.
7. Side door out to the plant and the way you would go in if you were going there to work on Liquor Bottling
8. Two Explosion Proof switches on pole with Caffe Lolita Label on the pole this was where the caffe Lolita was bottled on one of the 3 lines of Old Philip Singer Bottle Machines
9. Power room in Old Bottle house
10. Cathonoic and Anotonic tanks in far back end of Old Kinsey bottle house
11.Old Water treatment tank in far back end of Old Bottle house
12. Looking behind the water treatment tank where dumping room on second floor has fallen down
13. Old dump trough from second floor fallen down
14. Old Barrel rails from DSP-Pa. 10 to warehouse's D&E behind the Old Kinsey Bottle house

dave ziegler
09-28-2009, 09:54
Well it Began here on Sept 12 1966 and here are some of the 106 Pictures I took inside the old 1966 Bottling house in Total Darkness on Sept 27 2009!
well here are some of the shots I will post some on the memories thread later today hopefiully and finish up back here tomorrow Here are 50 of my pictures I will try my best to give the place in the Bottle house I took them
1.Sign over door to bottling house Maint where Ludy Worked
2. & 3.Old Cabinettes in maint
4. & 5.Looking both to the front and back of the storage area for cased Whiskey
6. & 7.two of the openings that came through the bulkhead wall to the Shipping area where they put them on pallets at lines end
8,9,10 Pictures of Lines coming out to the end casing area
11.Another shot of Case storgage area
12.Looking back at line from far end
13.Where Line M-11 came out in Case area one of the 11 lines that ran through the bottle house
14.Another Shot of Storage area
15. Part of an old Bottling Machine
16.Overhead Line
17.Another over head lines these were shot in the middle section of the bottle house
18,19.More over Headlines
20.,21,22. More Line Pictures
23. Old Eye safety Area for washing eyes
24. This is an old Antifreeze line in the starting area of the bottling lines
25.More over Head pipeing
26. Another shot of a line
27,28,29.More Line shots from starting point
30,31,32,33. Far back room A where the incoming lines from the Black tanks came in
34. These Lines say Chiller on them incoming room
35. Stair to Tank Platform
36. says Scotch Whiskey only
37.Honeywell controls with paper disc in them for the next day that never came!
38.Pilot Lights above Disc Honeywell Machine
39,40. Pipe Lines
41,42,43.Inlets fromand out lets from Back tanks
44.Platform area
45.Explosion Proof Phone from the 1940's in incoming Whiskey area I got the front cover years ago as it is very wet there and the Phone one of two in the plant is ruin i have the other one at home
46. Equipment in Tank incoming area
47. Pipes along ceiling
48.more pipes on ceiling
49.Stainless tank in the incoming Whiskey area
50.An old Rain coat hangs where it was left the last time the Bottle House ever operated waiting its owners return which shall never be

Well I hope everyone enjoyes these My friend in IT here at work helped me to get these on my Work computer so I could load them quickly. I will post some on the Memories thread at home tonight and then the rest here tomorrow.

It was dark damp cold and yet I loved every second in the Bottling house as in my mind there they all were working the lines keeping them going and bringing in great whiskey from the Warehouse's Dump trough's. It hurts to think back to the awesome Whiskeys we bottled there and for it to sit now and rot yet I want more then anything to let you all see how it was back in the Day and what a joy to work there back then! In those days this building was the highest Tech Bottling House in The world.
Dave Z
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sandiefett
09-28-2009, 12:52
Well, Dave, another trip back thru memory lane. Twenty years of my life spent in that bottling house and warehouses! Just looking at the pix brought back so many forgotten memories but also horror at what the place has become. I don't know why, but I keep looking for some sign that I was there, but, of course, there is none. In my mind I see the three parts of the bottling house the way they were in it's heyday. Sometimes I think I do not want to look at your pix but can't seem to stop myself. I want to cry!

dave ziegler
09-29-2009, 03:49
Well Here are 20 more Pictures I will post the other 30 plus on the memories thread later this morning!
51.Tank Far end of incoming area
52.Black Tank incoming area
53.Says heater
54.Lines on ceiling
55.Another Tank
56.More tanks
57.Looking toward Room B wall
58.Ceiling Pictures of pipes
59.,60.,61.Tank Platform at wall to to room B where the lines started
62. Pipe Lines from Platform
63.Going down the stair from Platform
64.,65,66,67.,68.Tank signs two say Ethyl Rubbing Alcohol 10-10-84 others say Dump & Reduction
69.looking up at ceiling near Platform roller line across ceiling
70. Government Tax Strip machine

I will be posting the rest of the pictures this morning on the memories thread I have one picture that shows Tax strips laying in a wet mess in the room where the machine is. It is very hard seeing this terrible thing happen to Kinsey as I will always be proud I worked for the Continental Distilling Disvision of Publicker Industries in Linfield at Kinsey a name i will always reveer.

However so that people will see these pictures in the future years and read about Kinsey I will continue to give as much information as I can while I can as there are not many of us left. And This living History Must go on!
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dave ziegler
10-02-2009, 09:23
This morning I printed out all my Pictures from in the bottle house from Sunday and put notes on them and gave them to my Friend Paul who wired my Explosion proof Light sets I built. He is one of the top Electricians where I work and in looking at the pictures he said bet you never noticed on this picture of lines on the ceiling what else is there. Well it turns out that if you go back to #53 on this page and look at picture #40 you will see the end of a early type Explosion Proof Fluorescent light Bulb Fixture. The Big Round ends are what makes it Explosion Proof does not let spark out.

Paul also said he was amazed at how well the plant controls tanks pipes and electrical lines and bottling lines were layed out. And how everything was spaced apart very good for safety from explosion. Also for that time frame being built 1964 till 1966 when it opened sept 12 1966 how good the quality of the equipment was such as the motors which also were made Explosion proof.

He see's these things because he has worked with these type of things his whole life and everyday here at the plant I work at now there are certain places where explosion proof things are needed in chemical area's.

The company that did 90% of the piping and tank layouts and much more was Piersol & Pine corp of Oaks Pa about 15 miles from the plant. Continental always used local companies. Also if you look back at some of my Black tank pictures you will see their name plate on the tanks. They specialized in Stainless steel lines and tanks and put all the Stainless steel dumping lines from warehouse to warehouse up in the air back when the plant was built.

Every Tank and every Line was made of the Best Stainless you could buy and it took 3 years 1964/1966 till Multi Purpose Explosion proof Warehouse U was made into the New Continental Distilling Bottling House. When it opened on sept 12 1966 the Old Bottling house at Bigler Street in Phila closed down for the bottling of Spirits for good.
Once in opened here it ended them having to ship spirits ready to be bottled down to phila instead new barrels only came up from Phila to be put in the warehouses to age and whiskey that was ready could be dumped and sent right to the Bottling House on site!

All these ideas and the great construction point to Mr Si Neuman getting the best stuff and People doing it as He always did and always if possible using Local Companies for everything.
An example again was getting all our Glass Bottles from Diamond glass which was about 7 miles from the plant in Royersford! sadly once Publicker shut down Diamond glass closed also not long after.
Publicker had used Diamond way back at the begining of the company in Phila to supply all the glass for spirits.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-11-2009, 18:02
Well today around 11:15 - AM I went for a walk again at Kinsey from my friends house across the street.
I went into a couple of open warehouses and I got some shots of the black incoming tanks at the far end of the 1966 Bottling House.

Here are 8 different Pictures taken of the black tanks and their area behind the 1966 Bottling House. I will post more of them and some warehouse pictures tomorrow.

Here are some of the Black Tanks and I counted them there are 9 of them incoming! I also got some shots of informamtion plates on them the signs with the Capastiy of them. I also climbed up the stairs again almost to the top I will post some of them shots plus my shots in the plant tomorrow.
I also took a picture of gauges on them.


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dave ziegler
10-12-2009, 16:06
Here are the rest of my incoming tank area pictures for the bottling house!
Here are the last 15. shots I took inthe Black tank area of the Bottling house outside!
1.Another tank sign
2.Two of the black coated incoming tanks
3.Pipes going in from tanks
4.Climbing up platform stairs to top of tanks
5.Up the stairs to the roof level
6.Explosion proof Lightgoing up the stairway
7.Looking at the tin covers to keep rain and weahter out on the bottom of the tank area
8.Walkway to the far side white tank
9.looking up the Platform stairway from the bottom
10.Looking through tank tunnel ground level
11.Tank Lines running along the bottle house wall
12.Lines into black tank
13. Thermometer Gauge on one of the 9 black incoming tanks
14.Explosion proof lights running along the wall of the 1966 Bottling house in tank tunnel
15. Shot taken through port hole in one of the Black incoming tanks

This finishes the bottling tank shots from sunday, I had a grea time just taking my time getting the shots. It was a cool clear overcast day and there were lots of nice river breezes coming through the Plant!
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dave ziegler
10-18-2009, 15:17
Well Gene Autry May have been back in the saddle again but I went back in the 1966 Bottling house again at Kinsey today after Church with my friends and got lots of Pictures and my friends that watch the place found something very nice for me in the old Maintaince Shop to?

Here are 13 of the 100+pictures I took today will be posting all week and will post a picture of my surprise things my buddies found and gave me they were the only ones in there
1.,2.3.,4. Maintaince shop in Bottling it was out of Here that Ludy worked and in here that they repaired stuff such as pumps. Last of these Pictures a old Drill press in shop
5.Maintaince again
6.Old Refridge in Maintaince when i opened it there were some old Lunch bags in there. Plus other stuff
7.Shelves in Bottling Maintaince
8.Forklifts just outside Maintaince
9.through 12. The Power Room next to Bottling Miantaince shop
13. Pyrotronics fire safety Control warning Box!

I will be posting lots more on here later in the week as hve around 80 pictures yet. I am now going to post my surprise things my freinds found me on the Memories thread!
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dave ziegler
10-20-2009, 06:34
Well Here are some more of the shots in the 1966 Bottling House I got on Sunday Oct 18.

Here are the Pictures
1.,2. The last Project done for Whisky Bottling buy Continental Distilling a specail boiler for Water heating in the Shipping end of the bottle house. I called Ludy and asked him about it and that is what he told me, it was the last Project done by Joe Trish our Engineer He designed stuff from the 1940's through till the year 1979. I have an old Blue print from the early 1940's called the Potato Project and Joe's name is on that.
3.,4. The Warehouse Part the little four sided things in the picture are caused by Moisture in that part of the Building and is the apeture of the camera showing in the picture
5.,6.,7. Shipping Offices in area
8. Cage area I believe this was used to keep imported Whiskey that were bottled when they arrived in to keep them safe
9.Safety Signs on Piler
10.Bulkhead wall looking at Line M-11 Room C
11. Different Lines at end in Shipping warehouse Room C I did not post all as 11 total lines note all lines coming into room C had a sprinkler above the end wall over the line for safety
12.Lines in the Middle opening in wall coming into the shipping / Warehouse area
13.Looking again at warehouse area
14.the Middel lines on other side in Room B
15. The Next pictures are all of an Old upstairs office in the General office area. Note 1985 Calender with vacations marked, also calender with the last year of the Plant doing Antifreeze and home products 1986 Sept
16. Little Closet area with Coffee maker with Coffee and suppiles still there for coffeee never to be made!

I am hoping that Sandie can tell me who was in the little upstairs Office as I have no clue.

I have many more shots all mostly in the Incoming and tank area's of lines and equipment and also the time clock area and much more to be posted soon. i will also post a few things on the Memories thread later today.
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dave ziegler
10-21-2009, 11:12
Well I have been thinking about Kinsey all day and now taking a break at work to post some more of my Pictures from inside the 1966 Bottling house from this past Sunday.
1.Down stairs in the General Offices in the 1966 Bottling House
2.Engineering room in offices Blue Print Desk
3. Old Word processer in General office
4.,5. Rooms in General office
6. Very Old early Computer in General Office
7.,8. Dispensary Old Medicines still on cart and in cabinet
9.Locker Room
10. Tank Platform behind wall to room B
11. Bottle Line going through wall to room B
12. I climbed up the platform for the Whiskey Heaters and Water Surge tanks which are square in shape in this picture Whiskey Heaters No. 1.2,3
13. Whiskey Heater # 2
14.Pipes running out of area
Tomorrow I
will be posting lots of Pictures in this area including the Water Surge tanks!
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dave ziegler
10-22-2009, 09:20
Well today is a nice fall day and it brings back so many memories of this time of year working at Kinsey! This was always the time when we shipped so many good Spirit Products for the Holidays ahead.

I can still see all those rail cars coming across the Companys rail bridge to be put in front of the 1966 Bottling House! And the ever flowing in trucks to take products out for all the USA and abroad too!

So In the spirit of the Old days here are the rest of my Sunday Oct 18 Pictures inside the State of Art 1966 Bottling House.
1.,2.Water Surge tanks on platform I climbed up to get these shots.
3.Surge Tanks on Platform from the floor
4. Low Voltage Emergency Light a very new thing for those days on ceiling incoming spirits area for safety in case of lost power or fire, My safety friend here at work tells me it was unhread of for a company to put them in back in those days but Publicker Did.
5.Old green Job area desk sitting in Incoming Spirits area.
6. Scotch Chiller
7.Blender tank all these shots are in the Incoming Spirits area the Black tanks are on the outside of the wall to this area
8.Black No. 1 Water heater
9.,10,11,The room that houses all the Power circuts a shot looking in, one shot of the Large structure and one of the boxes holding switches
12.Another Tank
13. A second large tank with stairs going up to them
14.Long row of Pumps in the incoming Spirits and water area
15. Explosion Proof control boxes of some sort
16.Another shot from the other side of the Old Green Job desk
17. One of the Bottling Lines starting in room A start area
18. Another picture of Pipes from the water Surge tank Platform
19. Large Open area in Room A dark but big

This is it for the Sunday Pictures I am going back soon for some shots I have not got yet as it is such a big building. Two Football fields Long and over a 1/2 football field wide.

Everytime I get in the Plant is such a remembering thing as memories just jump out to my mind. I can almost see the people there even though they are long gone in my Mind I remember and remembering is great Joy seeing it like it is now is very Hard and sad!
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dave ziegler
10-23-2009, 09:18
Early this moring I spoke to Randy Our safety officer where I work I showed him some of the Pictures of Safety equipment that were in the 1966 Bottling House.

Then I asked him since he is a safe work place Expert what he thought, he said the emergency Lights the tags to lock out electric Boxes and machines I have shown him in my Pictures and even to have sprinklers above the hole in the wall at the lines end to prevent a fire in your Whiskey cased storage area were way ahead of the times 1966 through 1986.

He told me He was amazed at the forthought that was put into the building of the bottling house from Old all purpose warehouse U and He said when it opened by looking at my Pictures it had to be one of the all time safest Bottling house in the mid 1960's.

He said those days people tried to get by with as little as they could and our saftey equipment was why there was never a fire in the plant explosion or Bad injury from either.

I am very Proud to have worked there and even more proud of our saftey record back in those great days of yesteryear!
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dave ziegler
10-29-2009, 07:08
As I walked in Kinsey on Sunday I noticed that the weeds and trees are starting to die off for the winter and you can slmost see the front Dock of the Big 2 foot ball field long 1966 Bottling house again.

Here are two shots of the Bottle house front first and the back side second. I thought right away when I took the dock picture of how this time of year back in the day there would have been 3 box cars sitting there to be loaded with our many Spirits being shipped out for the Holidays coming!

Sadly there are no trucks and no box cars and not even a rail bridge anymore but in my Heart and Mind they are all there with the hustle of hundreds of people with one goal in Mind making and shipping the Best spirits out for Thanksgiving and Christmas and of course New Years.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-16-2009, 09:23
When I walk by the 1966 Bottling House I always have to wonder what if
Mr. Neuman had not died. I know one thing the man that owns the plant now would never have gotten it to destroy it.

Anyone with some sense would have kept things turned on and tried to market the bottle House for Home products again and did some work on the warehouses, all they would have had to do to make them useable would have been to put new frieght elevators in place of the Barrel Elevators. They had such thick walls they would have made great Frozen food lockers and at one time before Publicker sold to him they almost got some of them leased to Oscar Mayer I found a paper to that effect but Oscar Mayer pulled out at the last moment. What a shame This destroyer Of Kinsey Would never have got his hands on the Place. He bought it for about 3 or 4 Million and now in ruin he wants 20 Million he is a modern day Pirate in my book. It will go down History that this man was totaly the cause of destruction of The Kinsey Distillery

But sadly He shut it all down and left a sign and phone number and let it fall apart now 23 years later. I wish so many times I would have had lots of money so I could have saved the place back when it was saveable. I in my heart can see the front Buildings the still the Old Bottle house and silo's and wood and brick warehouses a living museum and the Bottle house and the rest of the Explosion proof Warehouses made into Codo's if there was no Industrial use to make them into. I even have Names "The Kinsey Living History of Distilling Museum of Pa" and " The Condo's At Kinsey Distillery".

Many people each year could have come to take a tour of the Historic Distilling area and the grounds would have made a lovely park around the Condo's the 3 Houses could have been sold and other homes could have been built in the Back for those who wanted the peacefulness of being miles from the road traveling in by a large private Cement Road that runs in through the plant. The River area could have had docks for Boating and Picnic tables. The grounds were perfect till He got the place.

Even Q Warehouse with the fire tower room could have been marketed as having a lovely roof room that was heated with beautiful views of the area for those who chose to have a condo in that Building.

So there sits the 1966 bottle house 2 foot Ball fields Long and 1/2 a foot ball field wide rotting away, as are all the warehouses.

The year 1986 was a good year for most bussiness and I am sure if he would have stayed there and tried sell it he could have it but no He went back to NYC and lets it rot for 23 yrs while he collects loss that kind of a person is far worse then some one who does not work at all, in the fact that he could have done something with it back then that would have created jobs but He chose to destroy Kinsey!

I know I am a dreamer but If you ever saw what Kinsey was back then you would agree so much could have been done but Now it all sits falling apart.


Oh That Kinsey Distillery Could go back to what it once was
A Place To Work That you Could Really Love!
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dave ziegler
12-28-2009, 16:53
No y6ear can end without a trip to Kinsey! Here are some pictures I shot this afternoon Dec 28 in the Continental Distilling 1966 Bottle house.
I took 64 piictures so this is just 9 of them I will be posting the rest in the next couple of days.
1.The Bottle House Laboratory
2.Looking down through room B
3.Looking the other direction in room B
4,5,6, In the Laboratory
7,8,9 The Nurses station in the Bottle house

I had lost lots time so I have shots of all kinds of things to post yet, as I was finishing my Flashlight started to go dead so I had to use my last one to get out. The Place is so bad and so damp and dusty I had to get out and get some air but I had a good time just being there. I have shots of tanks Platforms machines all kinds of stuff to post here yet.
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dave ziegler
01-17-2010, 15:04
Here are five more of the Pictures I took the last time I was in Kinsey a couple of weeks ago. Everything is so ruined in the Big Bottle House it breaks my heart seeing it so badly off. I wish I could save Kinsey but time has taken its toll and the days of old are gone but the memories continue for me!

1. Incoming Chiller Lines
2. In the state of Art Labortatory
3. The Lab
4. The Lab
5. The Lab
It used to be one of the very best inplant distillery Labs it now is in total Ruin a sad and terrible thing.






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dave ziegler
02-03-2010, 16:49
Earler today when I wrote on the Memories thread I forgot about a Picture I took of something special I have in my garage. So I am posting it here as it sure belongs here.
1. Picture one the 1966 Bottling house time clock and its cover
2. The time clock with an old card in it.

I was fourtune enough to have my friends get me the original time clock from the 1966 Continetal Bottling house, I have not had a chance to clean it up but boy does it bring back memories!
There were two of these one in the Old Dsp-Pa-12 still where I rang in and this one in the bottle house. And thankfully it is saved and safely at my home Kinsey west!

When I look at it I think of all my friends that rang out at it every day. Ludy spent many a year ringing out at it. Bud Berky Walt Harrington in his years in Bottling and so many more. I am so glad it will not be smashed by vandels! I hope to make a stand and mount it and put a card in it like I did for the picture after I clean it up.

If I could have I would have moved Dsp-Pa-12 to my back yard that is how much the place meant to me. But by writing I can give all of you the feel of working there.
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dave ziegler
03-01-2010, 08:31
To look at the 1966 state of art bottling house today is to never know what an amazing place it was back in the day. When it opened in sept 1966 it was the most modern, highest output bottling house in all the world. There was nothing in Spirits we could not do. So for me it is shock whenever I get to go to Kinsey and see it as it is now. Time, it closed forever in fall 1986 24 years ago and vandels have destroyed. What was in the year 1966 something the Distilled Spirits world was talking about excitedly, it was the crown jewel of Kinsey. Now all that is left is ruins.

There are times I get so mad at the guy who owns the place for leaving it get like this, and it to be at the mercy of vandels I just shake my head. Millions of dollars of bottles never to be used smashed by punks. Stainless tanks sitting when some other distiller would love to have them for more capacity it is mind boggling. Its a good thing Mr Neuman can not see this as it would have been horrifiying to Him.

Every day I get a little older I realise a bit more that Kinsey's days are numbered and so I keep adventuring there in hope of pictures I have not gotten and things for History to save!

In 1966 600 People worked at Kinsey and 90% of them in the 1966 State of the Art Bottling house. There will never be a place like Kinsey again and I am glad I worked there in those exciting days from 1966.
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dave ziegler
03-09-2010, 09:07
I am hoping soon to get back in the 1966 Bottle house for some more pictures, I am posting 3 pictures today
1. These were our Old Hickory Coffee carfe's which came with an owners manual on how to use them once empty to make Hot Toddies!
2., 3. This was a special Blend of straight Only whiskys that was distilled in Belguim and shipped to Linfield and Bottled there. This past winter a friend found an Old one 1970's bottled in Linfield. It is a full Bottle and it was his dads and he gave it to me I have opened it and find it to be very GOOD smooth and flavorful.

We had so many brands that there are times when I find ones new to me. Somewhere on this site someone was talking about light whisky's bought by brown Forman back in the Old days and I can tell you where they got that Whisky it was Ours we gave up on the so called Light Whisky and when I get a chance I will look for that thread and connect the dots so to speak. But It was Continental Distilling's Light whisky they bought for that project!
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dave ziegler
03-10-2010, 06:00
Here are a couple of Pictures of the 1966 Bottling House without the weeds and snow, plus some pictures of Warehouse H from both sides and a shot looking down along the 1966 Bottle house from the back far side of warehouse H.
1.,2.,1966 Bottling house from Dock which could handle 3 box cars and about ten trailer trucks at the same time. 2 foot ball fields long, 1/2 a foot ball field wide.

3.,4.,Back side of Warehouse H looking at Bottle House, and back side of warehouse H this is the warehouse pictured in the Old Aerial shot I posted from 1936 and was the last wood and brick warehouse ever built by Jacob G Kinsey.
5. standing beside Warehouse H at the back looking toward the back side of the 1966 bottling house and the 3 explosion proof warehouses on the right behind the bottle house. My fathers nickname is written on one of the Old wooden racks in H building says Ziggy was here 1952.

Everytime I go to Kinsey I get feeling so sad at what has happen to it but life is this way and so you just have to remember what a great place it was.
I will be posting some Pictues of the rods for the warehouses never built on the memories thread later today.


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dave ziegler
03-17-2010, 18:13
This past Sunday after all the rain I got to go in the 1966 Bottling house and it is very sad how much water leaks into it. Here are a eight Pictures I took in there.
They are mostly pictures looking in differant directions of the Bottle house and there are two of the Old safety sign both sides and the last shot is of the point where the Old A-1-F computerised Line came out to shipping. This line could do 40,000 bottles a day and even put the bottles in the cases! It is veryhard for me seeing the Bottle house like this.

When it opened in Sept 1966 it was the worlds largest Spirits bottling house and the most modern one in the world! People would come from far away to tour it, and now it sits and rots, how sad life can be.

It is for its memory that I continue to write about Kinsey and my happy days there. Now when It rains it rains inside the Building what a sad thing it is and I feel the rain in my heart.
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dave ziegler
04-07-2010, 16:39
So little is left of what was once the worlds Largest Bottling house and also the worlds most modern one. Water leaks in everywhere and Vandels have destroyed as much as they can yet I still love the old place.
Here is a picture of a bundle of Skol Gin Labels I got years ago one of the many products that flowed out of the 1966 bottling house. Also a picture of one of the many explosion proof hookups typical for charging the Raymond fork lifts we used.

Note the Labels were made in KY!

Everytime I see it in ruin it breaks my heart but I continue to try and write and put pictures in here whenever I get the chance not very offten any more.

During the years 1966 through early 1979 about 500 people worked in this 2 football field long bottling house. I have a new project now I am going when I can to the local Pottstown Library to look at micro flim to get all the write ups the Pottstown Paper has had about Kinsey when I get them I will post them~
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dave ziegler
04-12-2010, 10:01
Here are some more pictures I took yesterday at Kinsey. And even after all these years it still seems hard to believe this is the way it looks.

When I left Kinsey in late 1971 in my wildest dreams I never would have thought this could happen to her.

Also most of the people are gone so I have to keep working away at finding out all I can

1. One of the very last signs left at Kinsey R warehouse
2. Looking from the front down toward Warehouse M.
3. Flagin is what Ludy calls this stuff that goes between barrel staves and parts of the heads only if they leak. Ludy said new they did not put anything beween them but if they leaked the Cooper would have to dump all the spirits in the trough pump it into a tank then take the barrel apart fix it by putting this flagin in and refill the barrel all over with the dumped whisky. Ludy said he thinks the strips were made of Bam Boo.
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dave ziegler
04-20-2010, 05:48
The sadest of things is what has happen to the 1966 Bottling house at Kinsey. From being the worlds largest and most modern it has fallen on such bad times it is hard for me to believe!

It rains inside snows inside and lights just fall off cealing. Everything is rotting there is no way to bring power in as vandels have cut every wire they can get their hands on and the Man who ownes Kinsey just lets it rot.

In fall 1986 He just told Philadelphia Electric cut the power walked away and left it to rot and to this day I have been told he thinks the place could be reopened easy! He just does not get what he has done and it kills me seeing it like it is.

I can not see anyway anything there will ever be used again but I don't want to think of the day someone would go there just to knock stuff down. The Old Days can never come back but I can from memory tell you of them and they were as the song says
( Those Were The Days my Friend We Thought Theyed Never End )

Those days 600 people had a great Job at Kinsey and 500 of them worked on two shifts in the bottle house, if you could only see the Box cars full of great whiskey's rolling out during the days before Thanksgiving and Christmas.

There were two rail lines coming in Kinsey then, the Pennsy and the Reading one came in over the river right side facing the plant by our Company owned Bridge, and one came in by the front side of the game lands. on the left side facing the plant from the road, both could serve the Bottle house and there was room for about 3 box cars and many trucks also.

We would get so busy one of the jobs that would happen for the yard gang would be the taking of broken cases of bottles to the dump. Those 11 Lines just kept on pumping out Spirits! And Line A-1-F cranked out 40,000 bottles a day by itself.

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
04-27-2010, 17:33
Well this past Sunday I got a chance to walk around in the 1966 Bottling house again and take some pictures of what is left of it. Here are a few.
Pictures are
1.The starting point of the old bottling lines. One of 11 Lines
2.,3. Tank Platform
4. Start of Old Line A-1-F Line which was a early coputer operated line that could do 40,000 bottles a day and even box them!
5. Look across from one side to the other
6. Shot above

I took 36 pictures so I will be posting more soon. It is sad how bad the place has gotten the vandels are destroying everything they can.

I also got some shots in the sealed room they made Antifreeze bottles in on my trip in and spent about 3 hours in the plant just looking around and remembering. What good days those were.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-06-2010, 05:57
I am once again very fortune enough to have a friend I met about 3 weeks ago on line that has some Publicker Pictures he has sent me. And here are a couple of very cool ones.
1 Publicker rail tankers of the type that brought Whiskey to Kinsey when I worked there.
2. Writeup about the staff of The Publicker with office address Walnut Street, and staff of Eddington Laboratory in Eddington,Pa
3. Gasahol Distillation Colume from Dupont
4. talks about Publicker being gone and Holts Cargo being there
5.through 8. are of the 2 Gasahol distilliation colume's that Publicker bought in 1976 from Dupont to be put on the AA Acetic Acid Plant right next to the Walt Witman Bridge pictures show the colume laying there and its progress going up.

How I remember the Old tankers with the Name Publicker coming into the plant I was so dam proud to work for a great Company like Publicker at my age. Most people I went to school with ended up on horrible jobs to start out but I was lucky enough to start at Kinsey at Age 19.
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unclebunk
05-06-2010, 07:00
Loved the pictures. Thanks, Dave!

dave ziegler
05-10-2010, 09:53
Here are a couple of shots I took in the plant on Sunday
1. Wood and brick warehouse H this was the last warehouse built by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936 and it is pictured in the 1936 Aerial Photo being built.
2. looking up from the back of the 1966 Bottling house at the back Of O building the government Building and warehouse.
3. An old time Sub station with big power meter on it. it was here vandels lifted a 400 pound manhole cover and crawed down in to get wires..
4. Looking down from O building at warehouses front stairwells starting from there on left, P,N,R
5. looking down from O Building right side warehouses, C,I,M back side fire escapes
6. The one of a kind Fire escape on warehouse O because of its multipul uses including being the Government Building. 12 of the 14 warehouses had the exact same type fire escapes O & Q had differant ones each Q having the Fire Observation room. Also O was the only one with its front stairwell being differant from the other 13 of them.

It was a cool and nice walk Sunday with breezes from the river like in days of Old and I always hate leaving Kinsey.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-18-2010, 04:09
Sunday I took a walk in the cool breezes at Kinsey and remembered the good old days of the place. The bottle house was the one thing that made Kinsey the amazing Place it became all the 13 years it operated bottling spirits.

In Sept 1966 it was because the Bottle House opened that I got my job at Kinsey. Altogether there were 600 people working there in 1966 500 + in the bottle house.

Kinsey was a show place with the flower beds I worked on in the yard gang and the dandylion free Lawns. We had the most modern bottling house in all the world there in 1966 and the worlds largest one. In the next few days I am going to dig out more vintage paper work I have saved from the plant and post it.

I remember well are teams in the warehouse when on dumping duty. Some would pull numbered the lots of Barrels and others would dump them, and if there was no dump trough they would be hauled on the 1941 Ford flat trucks to warehouses with troughs where they would be dumped by another gang that would unload them and dump them.

The Old trucks could only haul about 8 to 10 barrels a load and would be flying back and forth getting barrels,in my mind I can still hear the old Flat head Ford motors roaring. We would roll them on against each other then put a block of wood to hold them. I can on!y remember one time any fell off and amazingly it did not break!

Rolling the barrels was hard work with being bent over and the best job was in the racks rolling them out. That was my favorite, or of course driving one of the old ford trucks.

It seems like yesterday and yet times are so differant today I would imagine people would not even want that type of job. But We loved it and we made Darn good money working there with good boss's and great benifits too!
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Moto from my old Kinsey drink mix book 1950's

Dave Z

dave ziegler
05-27-2010, 05:10
Today I have some One of a kind pictures to post here and on the memories thread. my friend Butch who worked for Publicker at the Snyder Ave Plant has sent me some awesome history pictures from publicker.

1. The Old Snyder Ave Bottling House operating this picture inside was taken in 1933. It was located on the south side of Synder Ave in the Phila plant.
They as you can see were doing one of Our biggest sellers Dixie Belle Gin
2. Here is a picture of The South phila snyder Ave bottle house Building.

This was replaced once the 1966 Bottle house opened in Linfield at kinsey in Sept 1966.
The Linfield Bottle house bottled spirits for 13 years closing in 1979 to be converted to a home products and Antifreeze bottling house before closing forever in 1986.

I thought the best place to post these two was here since the Bigler Bottle House was long before the One Continental Distilling built at Kinsey.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-02-2010, 09:58
Here are 3 Pictures of 2 surviving Buildings In Phila that were part of Continental Distillings Plant given me by My Friend Butch who worked 10 years for Publicker in Phila.
1. Still Standing on Snyder Avenue this is a picture of Continental's first Bottling House the Snyder Ave bottle Plant. After it came the Bigler Street Bottle House and then the Big 1966 Bottle House at Kinsey in Linfield,Pa.

2. & 3. Are The Giant Continental Distilling Barrel Warehouse it has the look of the the Kinsey Warehouse's with a differant shape.

These are still standing and being used and are about all that is left of the Publicker Complex if He knows of any others I will post them. Looking at the walls of the Barrel warehouse it has the same type of air circulation fans as the ones at Kinsey had. Wish I knew how many barrels it held in its hayday!
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dave ziegler
06-17-2010, 06:29
To this day I still think our Old School style of Whiskey is so much better then todays. When I sip my Old Hickory 86-10 yr and my BIB County Fair they are so differant then the new stuff I drink it is like Night and day. The Old stuff has so much of a full body and the flavors just keep working in your mouth. Their taste is just totally differant and at least for me way better. I prefer Old Whiskey to anything new no matter how good or pricey I am one of the few who still prefers Old School ways of making whiskey there is to much worring about filtering and other stuff and whiskeys today seem to have lost something special they had back in the day.

I don't know what it is but I will take old Whiskey over new any day!
Dave Z
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ErichPryde
06-21-2010, 22:56
To add a few pictures to Dave's thread:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1921.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1922.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1923.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1886.jpg

These bottles were gifted to me from a very elderly lady who had hung onto them for quite some time. The hickory bonded was in bad shape- you can tell from the bottle that it has been soaked in something like an oil. It was on its side for an extended period, and was missing almost half of its original fluid.


thankfully, it was still pretty good! I was impressed. some of the notes reminded me of good turkey. However, it was very, very spicy. even the oak note was spicy, like the very wood had been infused with heat, and I don't mean alcohol heat. Absolutely stellar bourbon, so forward you have to look for what's beneath the surface.

Very, very good whiskey from a lost era.

The 86 proof hickory was by no means bad. Again, somewhat reminescent of something like an old #8. However, if it was allowed to sit in the glass for long enough, a metallic (aluminum, cut penny) note would come up. I don't know if this was a by-product of distillation, or simply because it had sat for a very, very long time.

The bonded is dated 1954-1965, while the 86 proofer shows a 61 on the bottom of the glass. very cool bottles, and I'm glad I had a chance to try them.

Chu'Wuti
06-22-2010, 00:08
To this day I still think our Old School style of Whiskey is so much better then todays. When I sip my Old Hickory 86-10 yr and my BIB County Fair they are so differant then the new stuff I drink it is like Night and day. The Old stuff has so much of a full body and the flavors just keep working in your mouth. Their taste is just totally differant and at least for me way better. I prefer Old Whiskey to anything new no matter how good or pricey I am one of the few who still prefers Old School ways of making whiskey there is to much worring about filtering and other stuff and whiskeys today seem to have lost something special they had back in the day.

Hear, hear!

Dave, I've really enjoyed reading your stories about the bottle house and looking at the pictures. It's so sad to see what has become of the place.

I wanted to say that I'm sorry about the loss of your loving companion, too. I know how difficult it is to lose a special dog--they are really an important part of one's family.

Best wishes.

dave ziegler
06-22-2010, 16:55
Sandy I Just Love to write and remember Kinsey and Continental I wish everyone here could have been there for just one day to see what a great place and what a great Company. And Yes I miss Nikki my Dog alot. I am glad That you and others enjoy my writtings about Kinsey and as Long as I am around I will write about Kinsey.
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dave ziegler
06-22-2010, 16:58
To add a few pictures to Dave's thread:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1921.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1922.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1923.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q182/ErichPryde/Whiskey/IMG_1886.jpg

These bottles were gifted to me from a very elderly lady who had hung onto them for quite some time. The hickory bonded was in bad shape- you can tell from the bottle that it has been soaked in something like an oil. It was on its side for an extended period, and was missing almost half of its original fluid.


thankfully, it was still pretty good! I was impressed. some of the notes reminded me of good turkey. However, it was very, very spicy. even the oak note was spicy, like the very wood had been infused with heat, and I don't mean alcohol heat. Absolutely stellar bourbon, so forward you have to look for what's beneath the surface.

Very, very good whiskey from a lost era.

The 86 proof hickory was by no means bad. Again, somewhat reminescent of something like an old #8. However, if it was allowed to sit in the glass for long enough, a metallic (aluminum, cut penny) note would come up. I don't know if this was a by-product of distillation, or simply because it had sat for a very, very long time.

The bonded is dated 1954-1965, while the 86 proofer shows a 61 on the bottom of the glass. very cool bottles, and I'm glad I had a chance to try them.
Erich thanks for the good words about Our Old Hickory Staight Bourbon and the awesome BIB. I have never in all my Life had anyone say anything Bad about Old Hickory! I am glad that the Lady gave it to you to enjoy and I drink a toast to You and The Old hickory!
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dave ziegler
07-09-2010, 06:11
Today I am traveling back in time to Sept 1966, It was a special time then as Kinsey had hired many people to work in the plant when the New Bottling house opened.

many of the warehouse workers went over to the New bottle house to enjoy being inside. The jobs in the bottle house paid more and everything in there was brand new state of Art stuff.

Things like line A-1-F a early computer driven Bottle line that could do 40,000 bottles a day. Everything in the bottle house was set up for safey. There were 11 bottling lines and we did much custom bottling for many famous Distillerys.

People were well trained and no foolishness was allowed. I still get a thrill when I see an old full bottle that says Continental Distilling Linfield,pa / Lemont ILL. Dsp-pa-1.

Some of the Best spirits ever made were bottled in Linfield. The plant for a couple of years was a rage people coming to tour it and get idea's for their own bottle house's. They were great days for me starting there in 1966 at 19 years old.

Going in there now taking pictures of the ruin is surreal for me as when I left the company everything was in perfect condition and the Bottle house was very beautiful. I have thought about it and I relize I was better off leaving when I did then being there seeing it close down forever to go to ruin.

I still enjoy the rare times I can talk to a former worker at Kinsey and have never had any of them say anything bad about the company.

Ludy who worked his last 14 years in the bottle house as a maintaince man will be 92 this Sept and I one of the younger surviving employee's will be 63 in sept.

I wish all of you could have been there for the excitment of the Plant in 1966. It was always the biggest employer in Limerick township. And in 1966 There were 600 people working at Kinsey and the company was a very good neighbor to the people of Linfield part of Limerick township.

Driving into the plant you were greeted by beautiful flower beds and perfect lawns kept that way by the yard gang run by John Zuber who was a great boss. Mr Neuman did not want to see any dandylion in the lawns and the trees were well cared for too!

We were mowing every week in the spring and summer we weeded pulled any dandylion and put weed killers on the lawns. We weeded flower beds and edged all sidewalks. It was like a gleaming Jewel sitting there in Linfield to this day people I meet in Linfield talk about how beautifull the place was.

I wish I had some pictures from those days but just like the Song "Those
were The Days My Friends We Thought They'd Never End" so it is with Kinsey!

( The Best Old Fashioneds Are, You'll Find
The Mellow Made With Kinsey Kind! )

Dave Z

dave ziegler
07-11-2010, 09:33
It finally rained here and I got to take a trip into the 1966 bottling house again this time taking my two new 12 Mp digital camera's. About three weeks ago I bought a only once used Nikon P-90 the next model up from my 2008 P-80 with a real 24 times zoom and also a brand new Nikon s-3000 12 mp zoom pocket digital camera with the ability to take crisp black and white pictures or sepia or color!

Yesterday I took a total of 143 pictures with them and I will be posting here and the memories thread some great color and black and white shots taken in pure darkness. There is always something special about old stuff in black and white.

1.& 2. The old safety sign in the bottling house in black and white both sides.
3. The tank platform at the wall going into Room B where the bottling starts.
4. A safety overflow basin below the tanks on this platform.
5. Walking the Platform.
6. One of the many tanks on the platform.
7. Another tank showing capasity.
8. The Scotch Chiller near the back end incoming Tank platform.
9. The Honeywell quality chart disc machine near incoming tank wall.
10. Chiller lines coming in from outside.

The next 3 pictures were taken with the P-90 in color.
11. Looking down through the bottle house were the 11 lines once ran complete.
12. A Explosion Proof Crouse/Hines Emergency Siren I was able to save.
13. An explosion proof Appleton switch off/on for pluging in chargers for fork lifts and other explosion proof Cords.

I really like being able to shoot the place in mostly black white the pictures are very crisp and life like. I have many more to post here and on the memory Thread this week if i do not run out of space I hope these are an enjoyable part of History to all of you.

I feel very Fortunate too be able to to do this for History it is a work of Love for a place remembered deep in my Heart!
Dave Z
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sandiefett
07-18-2010, 21:37
Hi Dave, just had to comment about pix #7. Frog and I were unloading tank trucks of window washer fluid into this tank one day. There isn't too much clearance between the top of the tank and the ceiling. Par for the course at Publicker, the gauge was broken on the tank so we had to keep an eye on the level in the tank so it did not overflow. We were standing there talking and both of us almost passed out from the fumes, which were very strong. We had to get out of there in a hurry. They gave us some God awful masks to wear and sent us back to work.

dave ziegler
07-20-2010, 11:20
Sandie thank you for the stories they make this thread and all of the threads more real for people to read with the human touch of stories and that is what this is about the stories of Publicker / Continental and Kinsey they are stories of people and the great jobs they did for a great company!

Last week I Bought an old County Fair Striaght Bourbon bottle on the web because it looked different then the ones I remember. I got it on Sat and to my surprise it was one of a Kind I have never seen or gotten it was one where we distilled the whiskey in Phila at DSP-Pa-1 and then tanked it out to Lemont ILL when it was 4 years old 1963 distilled / bottled 1967 BIB. The back label has distilled DSP -Pa-1 bottled DSP-ILL-53 so now I have that plants number and a bottle from there. I will take a Picture of it soon and post it.

I have had so very little Information about Lemont ILL bottling and also our Chem Plant in WesWego La that it was an exciting find for me.
here are some more pictures from 3 weeks ago in Black and white in the bottle house. And a warehouse shot.
1. More of the incoming lines at the back side of the bottle house Room A
2. Start of Bottling Line A-1-F which was an early computer driven Bottling Line room A.
3. Side shot of one of the Water Surge tanks at the back
4. Blender Tank at back near incoming lines
5. Another Chiller for Regular Whiskey coming in.
6. Start of Bottling Line B-2
7. A pallet of Never used Kinsey Quart bottles in the cases warehouse R

I have more yet to post soon.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-11-2010, 09:19
In talking to my Friend who was a upper level manager at Publicker we got talking about Inver House Scotch. And every drop of Inver House green was bottled at Kinsey and the water used in the product came from our deep wells there. By shipping over in barrles and it being bottled here much cost was reduced and the Customer in turn got a Scotch that was afordable in the USA!

I expect to take him for a walk through the plant in the near future. He hates the thought of what has happen to it as he too Loved the place but wants to walk around and tell me stuff about the place from back in the day.

He is also thinking about writting a book about Publicker some day.

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-01-2010, 09:40
Yesterday I got some more rare pictures from my Friend who was in Top management for Publicker, all the pictures I post at one time hung at Publickers 16 story Headquarters on Walnut Street in Phila.
1. Picture one is the only exsisting Picture of Steers at Kinsey Distillery eating Mash from DSP-Pa-12 still. When I worked there the pens were still standing in good shape they are long gone now. This picture was taken at the begining of WWII Publicker raised these steers to go to feed the troups during the war! I did not crop this one as did not want to cut off any of the Picture.


2. thru 5. These are oringinal pictures taken during what was called the Potato Project on an old Blueprint I found at kinsey a couple of Years ago and never knew what it was about till these pictures.

These are the surviving 4 of 8 originals of photo's showing potato's that are from Maine being processed to be made into Potato Flour to feed starving people in Europe after WWII ended. This whole thing was done at Publicker and the pictures show the potato's coming in getting washed to go to the grain dryer and then the Potato Flour being Bagged and then shipped.

As I have said many times Publicker was very Proud to be an American Company and did all they could to help to win WWII.

I cleaned these pictures up as good as I could and after taking Pictures sealed them in Clear Heavy Bags to kill any surviving Silver fish to preserve them. With out my Friend taking them to his old Building back in 1979 These pictures of history would be gone for good. They may be in bad shape but if He had not grabbed all he could they would be in the dump all those years ago as the people who did the hostil takeover were going to have these tossed into a dumpster after Mr Neuman was gone.

These Pictures make up the History of Publicker and hung on all 16 floors of the Headquarters. I hope he will let me take a shot of Harry Publickers Office as he has one.
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dave ziegler
09-14-2010, 08:59
Well last night I posted some one of a kind Publicker History pictures on the Memories thread so after looking here please go there if you have not yet.
1. My First picture is another one of an Oil Painting of the Bigler Plant and my friend Butch was kind enough to put graphics of what each building did. This painting is marked 1943. And is of The Bigler Grain processing plant

2. The Snyder Ave Plant during the early 1940's look at the cars like the earlier Picture I posted with the 1930's cars on the memories thread the other day Butch just e mailed me this was Snyder Ave Plant.
3. Shot of The Bigler Street Cooling Tower per Butch.
4. Inside one of the buildings I am waiting to hear from Butch what part of the plant this was in.
5. AA Building and Dryer
6. Another picture I got yesterday of the of the Bigler Street Plant shot from the River Butch says late 1940's / early 1950's has the building that exploded in 1953 on it.

I Will be posting again in a couple of days to make sure everyone sees todays pictures here and last nights pictures on the Memories thread.
Dave Z ----BE WELL TO ALL
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Jono
09-14-2010, 13:48
[QUOTE=dave ziegler;214561]In talking to my Friend who was a upper level manager at Publicker we got talking about Inver House Scotch. And every drop of Inver House green was bottled at Kinsey and the water used in the product came from our deep wells there. By shipping over in barrles and it being bottled here much cost was reduced and the Customer in turn got a Scotch that was afordable in the USA!
/QUOTE]

http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-whisky.php

I wonder if any of the current Inver House Scotch bears any resemblance to the imported stuff Publicker sold.

The current blended in an 8 yr old called Blairmhor
http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-blairmhor.php

The import stuff by Saz....Inver House Green Plaid
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bartonbrands.com/inver/largeihprodshot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bartonbrands.com/inverhouse.html&h=508&w=792&sz=87&tbnid=-WW3Ye3QLR6PyM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dinver%2Bhouse%2Bscotch&zoom=1&q=inver+house+scotch&usg=__DeX4W0SMRa45vnVq7vIKmqtNFUI=&sa=X&ei=Bt-PTMyQI4nCsAOB7IyyDg&ved=0CCQQ9QEwAw

Decent reviews for a low cost Scotch....
http://www.snooth.com/wine/inver-house-green-plaid-very-rare-scotch-whisky-premier/#

dave ziegler
10-25-2010, 06:17
Besides the Pictures I posted Sunday night I will be posting some pictures of rare Bottles soon also. Saturday I spent the time before I went to a flyers game tranfering Original Haller's Philadelphia Rye Whisky Bottled in Bond from the bottle it was in to a clean Old Hickory Bottle I had fom my last Old Hickory. My friend who was in a high up position at Publicker gave me the Bottle and the whisky was fine but the stopper cap was broken off and the cork was starting to go bad in pieces but not open yet. I took the whisky and ran it through a brown coffee filter to get all the cork and and chance of dirt out of it. The Bottle only has one lable and is emobossed and dated in the 1940's before Continental bought Haller's. As far as the Rye Whisky I had a sip and it is awesome. I also got a bottle of Original Rittenhouse Rye 1950's BIB which was ok to leave in the bottle and 3 pints of Haller's County Fair made by us Distilled 1946/ Bottled 1950. I had gotten one earlier and have tasted it and it is wonderful. I have cleaned the 3 bottles up and will use as needed by getting the stopper out and putting it in another bottle when the time comes.

I also have an original Charter Oak Striaght whiskey from the 1940's. I find these old Rare Whiskys to be wonderful. But It is a timely thing transfering the whiskys to Bottles that have not sat in a dark dump garage it takes alot of scrubing with Rubbing Alcohol and windex to get the bottle clean enought to get the whisky out and to save the bottle for History as the Bottles are also rare and they go into my collection which when I am gone will go to Museums for history. Therefore I restore each bottle with loving care to be as clean and original as I can. Please check out the Memories thread as I posted some pages from the Continental Distilling Whisky Survey Book it is very hard to get pictures as it is dirty and I have to clean each page as I go of dust and silver Fish. So if any are out of focus it is because I have to climb above the book it is 25 3/4 by 24 wide by over 3 inches thick. It has hundreds of pages and I started at the begining, there are blue prints of every Distillery in America during 1936 and the Book weigh's about 30 + pounds.
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dave ziegler
11-09-2010, 06:03
Sadly I saw in the paper today that William "Bill" ( Windy ) Ewing died Bill was a very Kind man who talked alot, Hence the Windy nickname and was a very hard working Man!
He was one of my First friends when I started at Kinsey but since there is to be no funeral I can't tell you how many years he worked there but I am guessing at least 30 +.

I had lost track of Bill and was trying to find him lately but never did find out where he moved till today in the paper it said he lived in Phoenixville.

When He worked at kinsey like many people he lived in Linfield near the plant. Kinsey always tried to hire local people and there were many of us.

Bill was a warehouse guy and rolled millions of Barrels of Whiskey in his time there. He did every job there was in the Warehouse dept including driving the Old 1941 Ford Flat bed trucks hauling Whiskey barrels.

As each year goes by there are less of us around and it is all the more important to me to continue to tell and show the Kinsey Story.

Bill was one of Hundreds of Hard working Continental Distilling people and was one of the best at rolling barrels to be perfectly set for the bung to be down on the trough in each spot for dumps.

We were like a family working there and days were fun even when we were working hard. So I ask that everyone who reads this lift a toast to Windy Ewing.

Time is coming there will be none of us.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-15-2010, 16:38
I am going to post a couple of Shots I took yesterday at Kinsey and a picture of The Old Sign I brought home and saved from Warehouse J.
1. The Old Sign I saved from warehouse J first floor
2. A Birds Nest inside O warehouse the Governent building in the back
3. The Tall Fir tree I used to mulch when it was a baby reflecting on warehouse J's wall in the sun
4. A singer Bottling Machine with trees growing in it on the front dock of the 1966 Bottle house.
5. The old Weigh scale house down back where so many rail tank loads of Whiskey used to come to be pumped down back. to the big tanks down in the woods

Every time I go there I feel sad but I also want to get as many different pictures now and back in the day as I can so people can understand what it was like to work at Kinsey in those great years!
My friend who worked for Publicker in a high position and I just walked and remembered and took some pictures in the clean air coming up from the river like in days of Old!
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dave ziegler
11-19-2010, 09:36
Every year when I get a chance to walk inside the Old 1966 Bottle House this time of year I see the old Christmas decorations laying there never to be used again by people who are gone from the place and some from Life. Their Memory will go on as long as I can write of those days.

It makes me think how we must enjoy every day as they go by so soon.
Last week walking there lay the old Christmas balls and other stuff trashed in Bottling, but the memories of Kinsey will live on here hopefully for a long time.

Then when I went up to O Building upstairs lay the Old Christmas Tree the Government Men put up every year.

Thanksgiving and Christmas were very busy and a good time back in the old days and the trucks and rail tankers just rolled in every day. Kinsey was a special place to all who worked there and to Si Neuman who kept it looking like a park all through those great days! I lift a toast to Christmas's Past at Kinsey!!
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dave ziegler
12-26-2010, 09:41
Last night I called my Friend Butch who worked for Publicker from 1967 till 1977 leaving when Mr Neuman died having in his mind this would be the end of Publicker!
He told me not one of his old friends from the Phila Plant ever has anything but good things to say about working there. Also He told me everyone he worked with ended up in very high paying jobs because of the great training they got from Publicker. He himself went to work for Allied Chemical which was a disivion of Sunoco. He had 30 yrs there and his trainig at Publicker lead to his great success! He is still a paid consultant for them in his retirement.

When I meet people from The Publicker Afiliates family I have yet to ever hear anything but good about the company. Its ending was a sad and tragic thing brought on by Mr Si Neumans sudden Death. Once he died so did all the vision that made the company great and in 10 years it was all gone.

I will continue to write of those awesome days and later today I will post 11 some good and sad pictures of Publickers Phila Plant I got from Butch on my memories thread.

A Christmas Toast to the memory of Publicker Industries and all divisions
1913 / 1986 may her memory go on for ever, her whiskeys were the best of the best and the people who worked for her were the type of people that made this country Great!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-12-2011, 09:05
I just wanted to say that I am so glad I got as many shots as I did inside the 1966 Bottle House and the Old Kinsey bottle house as the vandels have now stolen piping from both,Plus stainless Pump heads even small stainless tanks. In both buildings destroying them.

Just before the Holidays a guy called the Realter that for years has offered the Kinsey plant on the market to meet him as He wanted to know the price being asked. They met him there and told him and then all during the Holidays He pretented He was going to buy the place telling neighbors that, while he went in there late at night with battery powered flood lights and stole many things including the Priceless old Hand blender Ludy used in the Old Bottle house and sold the stuff for scrap. I was very suspious as soon as I heard about him walking around all the time and taking stuff, as when you buy a place you Do Not go in there and take things first. So I got someone to call the Realter and ask if he was truely buying the Plant and they said after meeting him there they never heard from him again. Well I was mad as Heck so I told the people that watch the place to watch for him and get the Cops.

Yes the Cops got him but he only had wrenches on him and no stuff sadly so they could only arest him for atempting to steal, still since then things are ok again and the buildings are locked tight. Someone Like this is the worse Kind of Criminal stealing historic stuff just to make money never careing about History or what is right. I can only hope His day will truely come when what goes around comes around.

If there is one thing I can't stand is someone stealing historic stuff to just take it to the scrap dump.

And the fact that he pulled this stunt of pretending he was buying the Place tricking People while stealing like nuts shows that con men are still alive and well! I have lived long enough to smell out a crook like this but He and whoever helped him just plain destroyed anything they touched. I am so glad that I saved as much historic stuff as I have.
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wadewood
01-12-2011, 18:18
Off topic alert - a lot of metals are approaching all time highs; copper among them. We have one cul-de-sac that goes all out on Christmas decorations. 2 days before Christmas, thieves came through and stole the heavy duty extensions cords. Nothing is sacred when it comes to these scumbags. One of these dyas, instead getting away with stealing copper or other scrap metal, they are going to get some lead.

dave ziegler
02-07-2011, 09:09
In 1966 We had a major Snow storm in Jan much worse then the ones we have had last week and the week before and I can remember well in the fall of that year having started there driving through the Plant shoveling snow in the Old 1946 Ford Pickup the Yard gang used with heavy chains on the back tires. It was no easy task shoveling all the 14 Explosion proof warehouses out and their walkways and all the walk ways to the 3 company Houses.

Plus shoveling down at the coal pile and boiler house and the Old warehouses out front and the old DSP-PA-12 still. With 199 acre's it was a very big task. As soon as we could travel through the road in the plant we went to all the warehouses where dumping and racking were to be, to get the docks shoveled and the driveways. As the dump gangs had to wait for us to clean the docks and building drive ways.
While we shoveled many of the men in the gangs sat and drank Whiskey!

One thing the warehouse guys did good was hide bottles in every Building they worked in so they could get a shooter as they called it when they wanted it. Many a time I would watch an old timer pace off so many steps and go into a rack and come out with a pint of Straight Whiskey. They hid their whisky in racks, under air circulars behind cabinets you name it they hid it.

I'll tell you what when one of those old timers could not find his Flask he paniced. These guy were Hard working Whiskey Drinking Men who loved their Jobs and loved siping good straight Whiskey.

We were well protected when shoveling as the Company gave US Sub Zero Army Jackets, and coveralls so we were not cold. Looking at the Plant in ruin I wonder how we ever got the place clean of snows those days but we had a job and we did it with Pride in the Company we worked for.

As I have said several times writing here That Sept of 1967 I was 20 years old when I got my very first Paid weeks vacation and I remember driving down to the Old Atlantic City NJ in my 1963 chevy as we went over the Walt Whitman Bridge and seeing the Old Hickory sign below in the Publicker Plant saying to My Mother I am so Proud that I work for Publicker and have a paid Vacation and a great Job!

The Snow would blow into giant Piles when the River winds blew it between the 14 Explosion Proof warehouses. The Buildings were only 20 years old the year I turned 20 being completed in 1947 except for the Warehouse U which was built in 1951 and later became the 1966 Bottle House. The Warehouses looked very Beautiful back then so well made that when I walked around Kinsey in late 2004 it was sureal for me to see it rotting and being Vandalised. The first time I stood and Listened even though I knew no Old 1941 Ford Flat trucks would ever roar through there ever again. They are gone and so is Kinsey but as long as I can write the spirit of Kinsey / Continental Distilling and Publicker will live on! "If you have time check out my new Pictures on my other two Threads"
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Jono
02-07-2011, 10:54
Dave, was it all shovel work? Any tractors with blades?

Snow throwers/blowers were not as prevalent then.

dave ziegler
02-28-2011, 04:10
Jono there was plenty of Shovel work with the Snow but we had an old tractor with a big blade to push the snow also to clear the roads. It was a big place but we had to get it all clear by days end so as to not have any operation held up! But clearing the Warehouse docks was always done right away by hand and we started by doing the ones where dumping or racking was going to be done that day.

We had to keep going at a good pace but somehow it does not seem hard in my mind today as I was young then and never afraid to work hard.
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dave ziegler
03-10-2011, 05:21
Sadly now the big 1966 bottle house sits and rots but in its day it was the most modern bottling house on the planet! We also had some of the best ways to keep people from repetative problems working the lines.

Every person worked a different line every week which also helped them to have knowledge of how each line ran for emergensies. The bottling house was ahead of its time with emergensy battery powered safety lights for power outages its own Nurse for injuries and a large lunch room with windows to see outside during the day in nice weather by raising the large metal roll door there.

The big Bottle house and all bottling in the old Kinsey Liqour bottling house jobs paid a good bit more then warehouse and even more then the yard gang.

I myself even if I could have bumped perfered the freedom of going in and out on the job to being inside all day and just about every job I have ever had I did great on was of this type!

When the bottle house opened in sept 1966 alot of people from the plant Maintaince and warehouses with lots of time went to work in the bottle house to get inside out of bad weather and hot weather. Ludy was one of those who chose to go into the bottle house as a bottling machine repairmen. He did this job till he retired in 1980 after 42 years!

When Mr Neuman died in 1976 the last years till sept 1979 everyone still worked at their normal jobs. When the company stopped the bottling of Spirits the place was retooled, then the bottle House reopened in 1980 doing industrial chemicals lots of the old timers with time left till they could retire went to the bottle house to keep their jobs once it reopened.

When I look back I am glad I left a few years before that as I would have hated seeing this end come to the Company.

It was the great job of safety equipment in it that was done when building the Bottle House that made it the safest Bottling House of its time. At the end of every line where the cases came off the Line there was a sprinkler above the hole in the last bulkhead wall. and sprinklers all through the line process's.

I have not been in the plant since Nov 2010 and expect to see lots of vandels work when I get there soon before the weeds take over. The people who watch the place tell me that lots of stainless pipe is gone in the bottle house and all the stainless heads on the many pumps. I will be able to tell by looking there and then at my Pictures from last year.

It will be a sad time but also a good thing for me to walk there once again.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-22-2011, 17:24
Here are four more rare Angelo myers Pictures I was able to get through much research. These are all from the 1900 to 1907 period, after that Angelo myers disapeared. But Mr Jacob G Kinsey got what he wanted his whiskeys getting well known, and liked He sold them till Prohibition started and when it ended in fall 1933 he reopened the Distillery at age 75 and ran it till fall 1939 when he went bankrupt.

94 years later The plant closed forever, Mr Kinsey died around 1952 at age 94.
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dave ziegler
04-04-2011, 09:21
Sometimes on weekends I look to see what the Kids are putting on U Tube about Kinsey and It amazes me how they take stuff I write and suddenly become experts about the Place. But if it keeps Kinsey and Publicker alive in history and I am all for it. Here are two Pictures the first is of a page out of the Old union book about are products for new members, the second picture I have put on a long time ago but it is fitting with all the excitment about Makers mark and putting the new floating slabs in. This letterhead is from 1962 when we were experimenting adding new slabs into Bourbon mash whiskey being put in used barrels. The date was Sept 7,17 1962 It also says they were not permitted to do this but could do it with Neutrol Spirits. It is a very interesting Paper and one of many letter head papers I have.

So Continental Distilling was already doing experiments with chared Slabs what we called Floaters when we started putting them in our 380 gal Barrels and 120 gal ones and even one Floater in some 48 gal barrels.

When I look at the industry today I see many inovations started by Publicker all those years ago.

It was Mr Neumans grand plan to own and operate a Distillery in Scotland and ship the Scotch here to be filled to save greatly on Taxes and no one can disput how big a seller Inver House Scotch was when we Bottled it at Linfield making it afordable to the working person who wanted to try Scotch.
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squire
04-04-2011, 15:46
Floaters, great term, thanks Dave, and again I appreciate the efforts you are making to keep a piece of Bourbon history alive.

dave ziegler
04-05-2011, 10:53
Floaters, great term, thanks Dave, and again I appreciate the efforts you are making to keep a piece of Bourbon history alive.
Squire Floaters was what everyone called them back in those days. If you get a chance go to the Memories Thread I just posted a story about Old Hickory on two pages as I messed up putting one of the pictures on the information thread and it ended up changing the page so go to Page 73/#730 first then 74 #731. The Old Hickory brand at one time belonged to Fleckenstein-Mayer before prohibition and was distilled in Ky.

When I went into the Warehouses floaters were put in all the New larger Barrel's sizes 320 gal and 120 gal though the bung hole so many per barrel and size as we filled them. And It took a whole crew to move the 320 gal ones on the piles we put them on 2 tiers high with a lift. The 120 gal barrels were 3 tiers high on their heads.

The 380 gallon Barrels leaked through the Head alot as sitting that way in the pile. We would have plywood sheets on the pile and work the full barrels to their spot by rolling them on their head and it took about 4 guys to do it. As you moved them you could hear the floaters sometimes moving in them. We had a good days work when doing them. The big barrels came to use around the last full year I worked there. They would cut the racks out and then fill the big barrels which were shipped to the plant from marcus hook to be filled, then put them on piles where the racks once stood.
Dave Z

dave ziegler
04-26-2011, 07:03
Well Sat April 2 and April 25 day afer Easter I made trips into Kinsey to see how bad it is right now, I took some pictuers which I will post on all 3 threads according to what the picture is.
1. Going into the Plant on Monday looking from the front gate.
2. Front dock along the 1966 Bottle House
3. Another front shot of the 1966 Bottle house as trees and weeds take over the dock which once could service 3 box cars and 10 trucks at a time.
4.Front and side of the Big 2 football field long 1/2 football field+ wide bottle house.
5. Side view of Bottling house to show how wide it was besides long.
6. Front Water Tower and side of the bottle house.
7. Last remaining Continental Distilling truck vandelized and trees making it disappear back dock of the 1966 bottle house.
8. Trees taking over the tall black Whiskey inlet tanks to the incoming side of the bottle house.

I will post more plant pictures today on the other two Threads it gets harder to stand the longer the place sits rotting.
To think over 200+ people worked just in the Bottling house and now the only work going on is the rain water destroying the building and the vandels doing all they can to strip it of its famous history.

If I could go back in time to April 1979 they would be bottling Old Hickory and all out other Products right now. Men would be rolling Barrels in the warehouses and the Old Kinsey Bottle house would be cranking out Liquors.
Those really Were The Days My Friends
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dave ziegler
05-08-2011, 12:25
I am posting 3 pictures that butch who worked at Publicker around the same time line I worked at Kinsey created from from a large Picture I have, and gave Him one of that were given me by my friend who was high up in Marketing for Publicker. Butch took the Picture
and made two small ones of parts of the Bigler street plant and explained what the areas where. And also A Picture He took when he met me at Kinsey on Sat afternoon. The two original Pictures of the Bigler street plant at one time hung at the Company Headquarters on 1429 Walnut Street in Phila. Butch and I are going to get the pictures restored for History! I also have a real nice third one which all I had to do was put a new wire on to hang it in my Work office the one I get restored will go on the wall at my house.

1. Here is the Bigler Street Phila Plant
From the Large Picture I gave Butch of the Bigler street plant he made the next two closeups of specail area's.
2. this one is the Bigler Street Engineering Dept, the building with the Vent stacks was the supervisors Lunch room.

3. The AA ( Acetic Acid ) Plant which anyone who ever went over the Walt Whitman Bridge back those days will remember the Famous Old Hickory Neon Sign up on top of the building.

4. A picture Butch took of the Old Publicker sign at Kinsey Yesterday when I took him for a trip through the Plant.

I also Posted 8 Pictures I took last week and Early April at kinsey on my Memories thread today.
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dave ziegler
05-16-2011, 11:17
On Sunday around 11;45 I took Ethen and his wife on a walk through Kinsey and then coming out to the front Ethen was able to climb where I never could have to get me 8 Shots of the second floor of the Old Grain drying Building what is left of it. He was able to go up a rickety Old Ladder to the second floor however the ladder vandels had to the 3rd Floor was too shaky!
1. Through 8. These are all first time shots of the grain drying building long after the people who claimed they were fixing the Place were stealing any metal they could get striping the building and removing the metal system to take the grain to the final grain process buiilding and into the still.
9. This is a picture of the old Metal system that ran the grain from the two silos to the drying building. A was lucky enough to get this back in 2002 taken by someone else it shows what the silo's had back when i worked there.
I will be posting more pictures soon on the Memories thread and Mike found me a type of Whiskey Thief in the ruin of the old Bottle house I have to take a picture of it, plus I have some more Whiskey Barrel and inside tank storage pictures and one of my Friends found a rare perfect Glass site gauge for the Old Tank in the old Kinsey Bottle House that the jerk who stealing metal cut up and stole.
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dave ziegler
06-10-2011, 09:09
In early May I took 3 different groups through Kinsey and still have some shots to Post. Last night I was thinking about the 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling house and what an amazing thing it was in 1966! The day it opened it was the Most Modern and largest Bottling house in the World. It was an amazing thing to open it in 1966 and open the Inver House Distillery in late 1964. Publicker always thought Big and bold when they did anything. We had if not the first, one of the very first Computer Driven Bottling Lines Old Line A-1-F which could do 40,000 Bottles a day by itself! Plus 10 other lines and the Old Kinsey Bottle House to do all our Many and great Liquors. What a difference now from then when the parking lots overflowed with workers, at one point 600 people working at Kinsey and 2 shifts in the Bottle House. I hope to go with my Friends into the 1966 Bottle House to get pictures again and see how much has been stolen from there too. I saw Ludy over the Memorial day holiday and he is doing ok, he will be 93 in Sept.
I showed Ludy the Old Whiskey Thief that Mike found for me in the ruins of the back side of the Old Kinsey bottle house. And I am going to post a couple of pictures here and the rest in the memories thead.
1. Explosion proof Electric Header in warehouse Q.
2. Me leaving holding the Barrel Head Ethan found on his tour with me.
3. Warehouse C last of the barrels from the Lot Frickys and my Barrel came from slowly being destroyed by leaking water in the warehouse.
Note Tankage in the background.
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mozilla
06-10-2011, 22:23
Picture 2 is one of my alltime favorites.

It shows Dave on the facility grounds. That's the one we have been missing all this time.

Good work Dave.

dave ziegler
06-14-2011, 10:36
Jeff I always enjoy getting back to Kinsey but rarely has anyone been with me to take a picture of me with my Camera, its a first and that weekend taking 3 different groups for a tour was awesome!

It made me think back to the last year I worked there and stacking 380 gal Whiskey Barrels 2 tiers high bottom heads down. That was work as we Had to put ply wood sheets down and then about 5 to 6 guys had to slowly roll barrels into place on their bottom head.

And talk about leaks it was an Idea that Continental really messed up on. It started with 120 gal barrels then the cooperage plant made these giant 380 gal ones, that buldged like crazy. Sadly there are no ones left to take pictures of.

Here is a Picture of the only surviving 120 gal whiskey Barrel missing its head do to vandels.
1. 120 gal experimental Whiskey Barrel early 1970's next step was 380 gal ones!

Still I think about what inovators Continental Distilling was. Forty Eight years before Makers Mark tried floaters as we called them, in early 1962 Continental was asking the ATF to be able to try them. So very sad to know they are gone, and hopfully their memory will go on with my writting and pictures.
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sandiefett
06-26-2011, 17:50
Hi Dave, I don't know if I am doing this right, but here goes. Your comments about the 360 gallon barrels brought back a lot of memories. When the bottling plant closed in December of 79' we were laid off for 7 months. In July of 80' a hand full of us were brought back. I had the good luck to work in the warehouses. My job was to shook (breaking barrels apart) the 360 gal barrels. Very hard work. Another guy worked with me. First job was to take the belly hoops off and then the top and bottom hoops. This would cause the barrel to collapse. If it was dry inside, I got full of charcoal, if it was wet, I went home smelling like liquor. Cannot describe what I looked like at the end of the shift, but my husband would just shake his head when I came home. When I first went over to the warehouse, we had to get the barrels down from the boards that you described. I remember one of the boards shifted and my Dad almost got seriously hurt. The interesting thing is that my Dad was a Cooper and a lot of those barrels were made by him. Do not think he made any of the large ones, however. Anyhoo, just had to reply, sorry to go on so. I have 20 years of memories of that place. Most good, not all!
Sandie
Jeff I always enjoy getting back to Kinsey but rarely has anyone been with me to take a picture of me with my Camera, its a first and that weekend taking 3 different groups for a tour was awesome!

It made me think back to the last year I worked there and stacking 380 gal Whiskey Barrels 2 tiers high bottom heads down. That was work as we Had to put ply wood sheets down and then about 5 to 6 guys had to slowly roll barrels into place on their bottom head.

And talk about leaks it was an Idea that Continental really messed up on. It started with 120 gal barrels then the cooperage plant made these giant 380 gal ones, that buldged like crazy. Sadly there are no ones left to take pictures of.

Here is a Picture of the only surviving 120 gal whiskey Barrel missing its head do to vandels.
1. 120 gal experimental Whiskey Barrel early 1970's next step was 380 gal ones!

Still I think about what inovators Continental Distilling was. Forty Eight years before Makers Mark tried floaters as we called them, in early 1962 Continental was asking the ATF to be able to try them. So very sad to know they are gone, and hopfully their memory will go on with my writting and pictures.
Dave Z
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sandiefett
06-26-2011, 17:52
Hi Dave, I don't know if I am doing this right, but here goes. Your comments about the 360 gallon barrels brought back a lot of memories. When the bottling plant closed in December of 79' we were laid off for 7 months. In July of 80' a hand full of us were brought back. I had the good luck to work in the warehouses. My job was to shook (breaking barrels apart) the 360 gal barrels. Very hard work. Another guy worked with me. First job was to take the belly hoops off and then the top and bottom hoops. This would cause the barrel to collapse. If it was dry inside, I got full of charcoal, if it was wet, I went home smelling like liquor. Cannot describe what I looked like at the end of the shift, but my husband would just shake his head when I came home. When I first went over to the warehouse, we had to get the barrels down from the boards that you described. I remember one of the boards shifted and my Dad almost got seriously hurt. The interesting thing is that my Dad was a Cooper and a lot of those barrels were made by him. Do not think he made any of the large ones, however. Anyhoo, just had to reply, sorry to go on so. I have 20 years of memories of that place. Most good, not all!
Sandie
Jeff I always enjoy getting back to Kinsey but rarely has anyone been with me to take a picture of me with my Camera, its a first and that weekend taking 3 different groups for a tour was awesome!

It made me think back to the last year I worked there and stacking 380 gal Whiskey Barrels 2 tiers high bottom heads down. That was work as we Had to put ply wood sheets down and then about 5 to 6 guys had to slowly roll barrels into place on their bottom head.

And talk about leaks it was an Idea that Continental really messed up on. It started with 120 gal barrels then the cooperage plant made these giant 380 gal ones, that buldged like crazy. Sadly there are no ones left to take pictures of.

Here is a Picture of the only surviving 120 gal whiskey Barrel missing its head do to vandels.
1. 120 gal experimental Whiskey Barrel early 1970's next step was 380 gal ones!

Still I think about what inovators Continental Distilling was. Forty Eight years before Makers Mark tried floaters as we called them, in early 1962 Continental was asking the ATF to be able to try them. So very sad to know they are gone, and hopfully their memory will go on with my writting and pictures.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
06-27-2011, 06:42
Hi Dave, I don't know if I am doing this right, but here goes. Your comments about the 360 gallon barrels brought back a lot of memories. When the bottling plant closed in December of 79' we were laid off for 7 months. In July of 80' a hand full of us were brought back. I had the good luck to work in the warehouses. My job was to shook (breaking barrels apart) the 360 gal barrels. Very hard work. Another guy worked with me. First job was to take the belly hoops off and then the top and bottom hoops. This would cause the barrel to collapse. If it was dry inside, I got full of charcoal, if it was wet, I went home smelling like liquor. Cannot describe what I looked like at the end of the shift, but my husband would just shake his head when I came home. When I first went over to the warehouse, we had to get the barrels down from the boards that you described. I remember one of the boards shifted and my Dad almost got seriously hurt. The interesting thing is that my Dad was a Cooper and a lot of those barrels were made by him. Do not think he made any of the large ones, however. Anyhoo, just had to reply, sorry to go on so. I have 20 years of memories of that place. Most good, not all!
Sandie
Hi Sandie glad to hear from you been wanting to give you a call about Kinsey. As I remember once they were filled and had aged, to the right time and proof we used a Pump to pump out the Whiskey and then as you said many of them sat there empty till you started tearing them apart. They were Hell to move full on the Ply wood boards they would sit on, when we ran them up to the second layer. It took about 6 or 7 of us to move them on the head rim to where they had to go on the pile. We would lift the edge and roll till we had them layered on the Pile as many as we could. Let me tell you 360 gal is alot of weight to move rolling a barrel on its bottom head. Also they leaked through the bottom head big time.Your Dad and Ludy were the best Coopers I ever saw and no doubt he had put many of those barrels togther. Good to hear from you!
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dave ziegler
06-27-2011, 11:16
Hi Sandie glad to hear from you been wanting to give you a call about Kinsey. As I remember once they were filled and had aged, to the right time and proof we used a Pump to pump out the Whiskey and then as you said many of them sat there empty till you started tearing them apart. They were Hell to move full on the Ply wood boards they would sit on, when we ran them up to the second layer. It took about 6 or 7 of us to move them on the head rim to where they had to go on the pile. We would lift the edge and roll till we had them layered on the Pile as many as we could. Let me tell you 360 gal is alot of weight to move rolling a barrel on its bottom head. Also they leaked through the bottom head big time.Your Dad and Ludy were the best Coopers I ever saw and no doubt he had put many of those barrels togther. Good to hear from you!
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Hey Sandie do you remember during the last months the bottling house still was bottling Whiskey of a bad batch of Governors Club that had a musty,moldy smell? I found some old Letter head and some old copies of Letters to state stores and the company from Troy NY and Kenmore NY about bad Whiskey. Also I found some letters begging the Company to find out where they could get Some County Fair Bottle in Bond Bourbon. One from a Man in Memhpis TN who traveled to Montano every summer and got County Fair Straight Bourbon there and He asked if they could give him places in Tn, Ok or Miss where he could get it when at home in the Winter,and He wants some Badly the letter is dated 10/10/79. Quite a statement of How Good Our County Fair Was. I am lucky to have a couple of Old Bottles and have a wee bit now and then. The Mans name was Robert R. Milner and He said ours was the very Best!
Hope you can give information on the bad batch of Governors!
Dave Z
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sandiefett
06-27-2011, 18:07
Sorry about all those replies. Have to find out how to reply correctly. Vaguely remember something about a bad batch of liquor. If memory serves me correctly, the company tried to blame it on bottles that sat around too long. Don't remember outcome. I know that every once in a great while someone found a fly in a full bottle and sent a nasty letter, bosses would come out and raise cain, saying the bottles were not blown out enough. On some of the bottling lines, the bottles were blown out by hand and some had automatic blowers. Most of the flies were found in the bottles from the automatic blowers. County Fair was a good brand and I always liked the labeling. Did not like doing BIB, too much commotion, paper work, had to seal the room (so to speak). As a production clerk, it was a lot more responsibility for me. Had to account for every government and state stamp at end of run and especially had to make sure I did not go over the order, which was difficult. Boy, you sure are bringing back memories. After 22 years with the USPS I had forgotten a lot of them.
Hey Sandie do you remember during the last months the bottling house still was bottling Whiskey of a bad batch of Governors Club that had a musty,moldy smell? I found some old Letter head and some old copies of Letters to state stores and the company from Troy NY and Kenmore NY about bad Whiskey. Also I found some letters begging the Company to find out where they could get Some County Fair Bottle in Bond Bourbon. One from a Man in Memhpis TN who traveled to Montano every summer and got County Fair Straight Bourbon there and He asked if they could give him places in Tn, Ok or Miss where he could get it when at home in the Winter,and He wants some Badly the letter is dated 10/10/79. Quite a statement of How Good Our County Fair Was. I am lucky to have a couple of Old Bottles and have a wee bit now and then. The Mans name was Robert R. Milner and He said ours was the very Best!
Hope you can give information on the bad batch of Governors!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-04-2011, 17:39
Well Here are some shots gotten about two weeks ago inside the 1966 Bottling house.
1. Back side of bottling house safety sign
2. Other side of sign
3. Cabinets in Quality Lab
4. Another shot in the Lab
5. Honeywell quality Instruments
6. One of the Units they all have the paper disc in for a day that never came!
7. Pumps with stainless heads missing stolen
by the creep that stole stuff all during Christmas last year after telling people he was buying the place so he could steal. May his Luck Be rotten for many years to come!
8. Explosion Proof Telephone like mine but ruined.
9. Old Candy vending machine lunch room with remains of candy never removed
10. Bottom of vending machine note the old candy wrapper at bottom some kind of Peanut bar.
11. Looking down from the hill at O warehouse at the 1966 Bottling house on the right you can hardly see it for the trees.
Well thats it for 1966 bottle house pictures I will be putting some plant pictures on the Memories Thread also!
Dave Z
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G.H.Adams
07-04-2011, 20:11
Dave

Thanks for all you do as it's a shame that Pa. and this countries distilling history is being allowed to disappear. It should be preserved for the future.

dave ziegler
07-08-2011, 09:01
Thanks Greg this is a work of Love in memory of the Old Distillery and Publicker Industries! I was overwelmed when I walked into H warehouse the last one ever built by Jacob G Kinsey in 1936 at the age of 78 years old, so I feel a duty to preserve and talk of the days Of Kinsey and Publicker Industries.

The Old Warehouses were not a place for someone big or tall as looking at my pictures in the last post of the space between the racks where you rolled the barrels out was very tight. Looking up I saw one of the old original wooden barrel holders on a chain on the wooden rail, I am going back this weekend to try and get it for History.

I will also try to get some more last shots while it is standing. What memories came back looking at the controls in the Feight Elevator. You would have to be super careful to not load anymore then the right amount of Barrels or you ended up like me crashing hitting bottom.

It is very hard for me seeing the Oldest buildings ruined like they are, but It is important to me to show everyone looking here what the areas look like so you can imagine how it was back in the day! It was truely The Most Beautiful Distillery in the World back in the days I worked there.
Dave Z
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G.H.Adams
07-08-2011, 20:40
Dave

Good luck and be careful. Those old building can crumble under your feet before you know it. I like to explore old abandoned mines both silver and copper in the southwest. I've had some close calls and my wife thinks I'm stupid. But it is what it is. We all do what we like.

If it was not for the work you are doing, all this distilling history, about Kinsey and Publicker would just fade away.

dave ziegler
07-11-2011, 05:55
Here are some more of my Warehouse H return trip pictures!
1. A very Old Water Fire extinguer from the Late 1930's 1940's gotten for History from warehouse H
2. I found and brought out a 11 foot long wooden Pole that has a hook and point on its end this was used in the Old warehouses to reach high when in the racks to pull the wooden shock out from the last barrel and to push and pull barrels in hard to reach area's. I took it to my Friends place till I can figure how to get it home.
3. First shot looking up the racks with Fire Sprinkler Line.
4. Where second level door was front of Frieght Elevater
5. Looking up at the racks in Warehouse H there were 5 main levels with each floor having lettered sections divided by numbered sections so you could easily find the Lot of Barrels you wanted.

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Roadsaw
07-11-2011, 18:44
The pole looks like a old pike pole used in the fire service. Of course there are many uses for them.

dave ziegler
07-19-2011, 06:30
Today the first thing I want to talk about is people who live in Pa and are the Worst Vandels of all in that They look on here see my Pictures then go steal stuff that is Historic they see in my pictures! I hope they get caught and go to Jail. Example 3 weeks ago when I first went into Warehouse H I found two old Fire Extingusers and brought the best one Home also in my Picture of the Elevator there was an Old No Smoking sign which I left for history on the wall and Now when I look at my picture with me in the Elevator the sign is gone, as well as the extinguser.
My wish for all of them is that if they are stealing after looking at my pictures here is the Police take them in, they are not one bit better then the worse thriefs. No doubt the exstinguser went for scrap and they have no feeling about destroying things.

Even in my pictures these creaps are destroying Kinsey. But enough I had an idea that someone was looking for this reason so I did not talk about the old solid Brass elevator Plate the last neat thing for History left in H, till I got it Last week I was worried when I saw it clearly in my shot but It is safe at Kinsey east marked placed in a safe holder and ready to be given to a Museum when my days end It says "Reading Elevator Company."

Everything I have gotten I give to museums or if I have alot to people I know to keep the memory of Publicker and Kinsey alive. I have a letter witnessed by five co workers dated and signed in my bank box with my will stating none of my Distillery stuff can be sold it all has to go to Museums and Historic societies for this reason. To me to sell any of this historic stuff is to sell out History.

When My Friend who was the top man in Marketing for Publicker told me I was to be the offical Historian for the Company I relised all the things My History Teacher taught me and the 2 years I worked in a Antique Auto Museum led to my great love for the saving of History.

On a day you would work in Warehouse H it would be cool like the newer warehouses but the Lighting was not as good and there were less vapors as the building was not as tight as the newer explosion proof ones. There was one door in and one dock and the only way to get the barrels out was through the front door, not easy as the door was just wide enough for the barrels and not a bit more. This warehouse unlike the older wood and brick ones did not have ladders going up the five levels. The Only way up was the freight elevator. Full The Building held 20,000 48 gal barrels.

Once you were up with a very small explosion proof lift someone would get in the space and start rolling barrels out of the section the papers for that day picked. It was dirty work as the small space and the Dust that was on the wooden racks.

Also that Old Pole I got from H warehouse was used to reach up in the 3rd rack above your head as it was just below the next level unless you were tall but then you spent your time bent over in the racks.

You would use the hook on the pole to pull the chained wood schock that held the barrels in place out and you could use the Hook to pull barrels that you were having a hard time reaching.

The one thing I had never thought about back then and no doubt the reason most of the fire drills were done in this area, was The only way in was the front door and the only way down from the upper levels was the freight elevator. If anything Happen and you were up top you would have been done for. But because we felt very safe working at Kinsey for Publicker it never came to my mind till all these years later.

You had just that one door to get out and on the upper levels their were a couple on windows but you would have had to get through them and jump somehow.

When I think about this I just relise how safe Kinsey was in spite of the presnt dangers of the Explosive stuff there! It makes me proud to have worked there.
Also I am sorry for the negative stuff earlier about the Thiefs going into Kinsey but it breaks my heart when someone destroys or steals for scrap money from History. History is bigger then all of us and it must be kept and passed on. I am one of a few people left that worked there and I feel very serious about telling the History of Publicker Ind./Continental Dist/and Kinsey Dist!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-21-2011, 09:24
Today I want to post some more of the actual operating pictures of the 1966 Bottle House & the Old Kinsey Bottle House known as "Happy House or HH" That Sandie Kindly sent me.
Here are a few more blasts from the past something is screwy on the way they Loaded so I have click on another picture to get the one I want so here we go back to those wonderful days and Bourbon and Liquors and much more at Both the 1966 Bottle House and the Old Kinsey Bottle house!
1. Bottles running down one of the middle lines in the Big Continental Bottle house for repairs, the good news if I mess up what is going on Sandie can tell more about it.
2. Inver House Scotch Miniatures running down the line, Sandie says this was one Job they did not like much doing the Miniatures.
3. Cal Roberts The Fire Chief taking a break in the Lunch room in the 1966 Bottling house vending machines in back ground.
4. Back incoming area of The Big Bottle House
5. Nellie stamping the serial number on each case of Skol Vodka before it passes through the last bulhead wall to be put on a pallet. At the end of each line where the box passed through there was a sprinkler just for safety.
6. Bottling Liquors in the Old Kinsey Bottle house the Blonde Lady was Steffie. The Girls called the Old Origianl Kinsey Bottle House "Happy House" because you could get a drink there much easier then in the big bottle house.
This was the glory days for the Old Kinsey bottle house and it looks great.
7. Caff'e Lolita applying neck strippers labels to the bottles The fence tells me they were putting the neck strippers on at the Big Bottle house after they were brought over there by fork lift on Pallets from the Old Bottle house for shipping. That Fence still stands in the big bottle house in the middle lines. Sandie notes that they ran out of something in the labeling and finished them in the big bottle house.

I will try to get some more of these pictures to work and put on here soon, looking at them I almost feel like I am a 19 year old Guy going in the Old Bottle house to clean it for operation, those were the Days!
Enjoy these very Historic pictures and Thanks Sandie for sending me these from your old scrap Book.
Dave Z - It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
America's Most Magnificent Bourbon

dave ziegler
08-09-2011, 10:05
Today lets take a walk back to sept 1966 the day I started working at Kinsey. The first thing I had to do was report to the Plant nurse to give her my information, height,weight color of eyes. Then she told me Young man always be careful not to get hurt, and especialy after 2:00 pm as that was when she had her bourbon and coffee for health reasons. By order of her doctor. Being young I believed her and thought the Poor women. Later I found out she enjoyed a big Coffee and bourbon every day and one day I walked in at 2:00 Pm to say hi, to see her with her giant stephosope on a guys chest at his heart saying I can't hear your Hreat he sat here with his eyes rolling back and I hurried out before I brust into Laughter there. She had drank too much Bourbon and coffee.

The next thing the first day was to report to my New Boss John Zuber and very nice man and a great boss to work on the yard gang. I remember that first week we had one of the dirtiest jobs on the gang emptying a couple of rail car loads of Coal.

No mask just my coveralls up in the car standing on the coal pushing it down to the opening below. When the day was done not only was the coal black you were too! Having had asthma as a kid it was hard breathing up there.

Another early job I put in for was sweeping all the old buildings out front the old Dsp-pa-12 still and grain buildings. The first thing I saw sweeping was the really old Honeywell paper disc quality machines, which had fresh new disc's never used in each place from spring 1951 the last time it ever ran!
Then there was the Old cyprus fermenters the one next to where we rang out full of Carp and sucker fish from the river the guys had put in years ago. We fed them every day at quiting time. We were told by the guys only Wonder bread for them for strong bones and bodies like the old ads.

Then there was the week we had to clean sweep the rear fire escapes of each explosion proof warehouse. I never saw so many dead pidgeons and we no masks those days so we were blowing black dirt out of our noses all week.

When winter came there was snow to be shoveled and always stuff to haul down to the dump down on the way to the river.

One fond memory I have there was John Zuber my boss and I had just a tiny amount of trash on the old 1946 Blue ford Pickup we used. John said to me Take the trash down to the dump. It was 35 minutes till quiting time, it is going to take you till 10 minutes before quiting time to unload then come back and pick me up. It took about 2 minutes to unload so I sat and took it easy till time to get the boss.

I will write more about working each day soon. But the one thing I want to say is every single one of the Old Kinsey buildings was well kept and clean and sprinkled and sweept out regularly. Every building including ones not used for anything were kept right up to standards always. Roofs were fixed if they leaked, things were really in good condition. They had full electric power and were sprinkled.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
08-25-2011, 12:53
Have not been to Kinsey for awhile and looks like we are to get a bad strom this weekend. But Every Sunday going by there to Church I am ever amazed at what the vandels and time have done to the place in just the 7 years I have been there walking and looking!

When I look at the bottling house and how it looks I relise how Old I am. When it opened in sept 1966 it was the most modern Bottling house in the world and people from everywhere came to tour it. Now it is nothing more then a ruin that time has passed by. Once the owner closed the gates and turned the power off He doomed it to destruction.

I am just thankful I have been able to preserve some things before the vandels could wreck them.

This time of year in those years we would be running full tilt getting spirits bottled and tax stamped for the coming Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays. The docks would have 3 rail box cars being loaded to be sent all over the country and the world.
There would be lines of Trucks waiting their turns to get loaded and everyone would be busy at their job.

Walking through now just the pidgeons are busy there and everything is either falling down or getting ready to.

Fall is coming and I hope to take some more people for a trip through there soon while it is still there to tell the story of.

I wish you all could have seen the glory of those 11 bottling lines all running during the day and afternoon. Running like a fine oiled Clock. People everywhere. And as always the place being spotless.

Sometimes around this time of afternoon Mr Neuman would come driving through in his brown Bentley. He always made me feel my job was safe as long as he was there.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-13-2011, 10:05
Last Night right after work I took my young Friend Mike for a tour through the Plant again.
I took him into the 1966 Bottling house with permission and we took many pictures, He will be Posting here soon and so will I.

The building is leaking water worse then ever, and the Vandels have really destroyed the place.

We looked with sadness at all the broken stuff and all the Old bottle line machines sitting to never run again. Also all the stainless Pump heads stolen by the creep who told everyone in Linfielld at Christmas that he was buying the place so He could go in there any time of day or night to steal stuff! I don't most times say anything but Anyone who was such a creep to tell people he was buying the Place so he could steal all the metal he could get and destrroy Kinsey I hope his luck is down for the rest of his Life!

We went into C building and looked at what is left of the Whiskey Barrels and the roof is leaking bad and they are sitting in water such a shame.

Dave Z
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ratcheer
09-13-2011, 18:44
I'm sorry to hear that, Dave. It is always tough to see something you loved gone to a shambles. You want to go back to see it, but afterwards you wish you hadn't.

Tim

dave ziegler
10-11-2011, 09:13
Tim and everyone, it is so hard when I walk through and see what has happened to The 1966 Bottling house. Once about 500 people made their living working there. It was a well paying company and for the most part people were very happy working there. Twenty Five years have past since it closed and not one time did the man who owns the place do anything to save it and now with no way to power any of the buildings and all the roofs leaking it is forever doomed. What an ending for such a great company and place.

When Publicker went under in 1986 the man who then owned Kinsey, just turned the power off and walked away. It is my hope he will never get a cent for it, just like he has done to it.

I offten find myself telling people I see stealing get out or I will call the police. But they go in there at all hours late at night.

Every time I go the vandels are up to something in destroying Kinsey. But for those who worked there it will forever live in our Hearts and minds.

I am thankful to be able to write here and talk about Kinsey and Publicker and will continue taking and getting pictures of Publicker and Kinsey.

I have been sick for a couple of weeks had Shingles last week and a bad head cold but feeling better and will be writting on all my threads and posting some more pictures soon.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-27-2011, 11:25
Here are a four new Old Kinsey Bottling House pictures after all the vandels have been working.
1. Looking from the back of the Old Jacob G Kinsey Bottle House to the front road side.
2. Standing at the front where the part of the second floor had not fallen till vandels stole sewer pipes and the floor came down.
3. This is the D warehouse side of the Old Kinsey bottle house or as the Girls called it when they made Liquors there the Happy House! At One time I could not go here for fear it would fall down but the vandels dug out the Old # 1 dump trouth and the rest of the floor back here came down. I am glad I got pictures of the old trougth before that happen..
4. & 5. More Pictures of the back lower and upper dumping room of the old bottle house.
This kills me as I to loved the Old Kinsey Bottle House One of the Most Historic Buildings on the Place it was built at the end of Prohibition by Jake Kinsey and Ran right through till fall 1979. Note Vandels have stolen all the Green shaded Explosion proof Lights from the first floor sealing, glad I saved those old Historic Edison type blubs from most of them. I also got one light fixture they had laying to steal.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-04-2011, 10:01
Lets talk about the State Of Art worlds Largest Bottling House in 1966! When all Purpose explosion Proof warehouse U started being made into the amazing Place it became it took around 3 yrs to complete, starting around 1963.

It had 11 Lines and one of them was A-F1 that was actualy computerized and could do 40,000 bottles a day, blowing them out, labeling,filling caping and boxing all the cases ran on it. End of line at warehousing and shipping.

Quite a feat those days, opening day mid Sept 1966. Warehouse U was 2 Football fields Long and 3/4 Football field wide, and a real Powerhouse of a bottling Plant!

It prepared the spirits bottled them, warehoused them and shipped them all from one building. People from other companies came for tours of the place and many including Seagrams had us bottle for them.

I only got in there in a rare time or two but it was like walking into a city 250 people a shift all 11 lines running at once for a 19 year old it was Highly amazing to watch. It had its own Lab, nurse, lunch room warehousing, shipping and whiskey receiving, and its own maintaince section where Ludy worked out of.

There was nothing in Spirits it could not do. At this time of year in 1969 the place was rocking everything was running maxed out! 3 Rail cars at a time being loaded at its giant docks and sometimes 8 or more semi trucks too. The Holidays were a exciting time at Kinsey and our spirits went all over the world.

The bottling only ever had two shifts day and second and the people working in there were a team. Everyone worked a different Line each day to keep from monnotany. And that way everyone knew each line in case someone was out.

I wish that everyone on this sight could have seen it in the glory days.
I was and always will be proud to have worked for Kinsey Distillery a subsidiary of Continental Distilling corp which was a wholy owned part of Publicker Industries as our old Plant paper work stated.

The two old Water towers used to Say Continental Distilling Corp a Subsidiary of Publicker Industries.

Those Were The Days My Friends
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-10-2011, 09:52
The months of Nov & Dec were very Busy times in the Big 1966 Bottle House and the Old Kinsey Bottle house doing Liquor's. If you walked into the Big bottle House at 8:00- Am you would see a city of People all 11 Bottle Lines running wide open. We would be bottling 1/2 pints,pints.4/5's and Quarts also 1/10 Airline mini's. Lots of Old Hickory,Hallers County Fair BIB and Governors club and Philadelphia Blended Whiskey. Also tons of bottles of Inver House Scotch would be being bottled. Every Product we made would be sheduled for bottling for Thanksgiving and Christmes.

The Docks out front on any given day would have 3 Rail Box cars and 8 to 10 semi trucks being Loaded, and while that was going on cases off the 11 lines would be moved into warehouse area of the building.

Those months it was really a sight to see. The bottling machines would be thundering away rapping out their steady sounds as bottles were blown out filled, and capped and seals put on. There was also a quality area were bottles that needed labels fixed or other stuff would be tended to by Ladies at Tables in the area and then put back into the outgoing flow.

The whole time whiskey would be flowing in from the High black incoming tanks. Whiskey and Distilled water would be flowing down from The Government Building warehouse O and the place was a very exciting Place to be. The air would be filled with the smells of great Whiskey.

I myself and everyone had a great feeling of pride working there then and seeing the great products we made. Those Were The Days!!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
11-14-2011, 09:25
Well Sunday Nov 13 I took a walk in the 1966 Bottling house, with Rod and had a good but sorrowing time. It was sorrowing in the destruction done by People who do nothing with theirs lives except steal and break things for no reason.
I sadly saw where some rotten person went up in the upstairs office to bring the old coffee pot down so they could smash the caraf and throw the coffee maker what sick joy they get from that I haven't a clue.

Anyway I got some cool shots and here are some of them. Also the dial of the phone works smooth and all the buttons work smooth,I am going to get my friend who worked for AT&T for forty yrs to rewire it to work!

1. Here I am at the snack Machine in the 1966 Bottle House Lunch room.
2. My latest thing saved and restored for History is the old Multi Line rotory Phone from the General Office in the bottling house. I also saved the sign from the office.
3.Me with the Phone
4. The Old Drink machine in the bottling house lunch room.
5. Calender for 1986 the last year the Plant operated closing in sept 1986.
6.An Old Cart from the Old blending Line area
7. End of the middle Bottle repairing Line
8. Looking down the line
9.The Place I am going to keep my Phone. I took it apart cleaned it and I am now going to see if my Old friend who worked for ATT&T will rewire it so it can work.

I go there to save things like this before the trash People destroy them. I can not understand what someone gets out of standing in an abandon historic building in the dark smashing things. I am glad I was taught the right way to be as a Kid! I had a Mother & Father who taught me right from wrong!
Dave Z
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ratcheer
11-15-2011, 05:57
Great memories, Dave!

Tim

Jono
11-15-2011, 14:41
Pictures 6 and 8.....dust orbs floating all over...don't tell the local ghost hunters as some will say the place is haunted! ;)

Wow, your desk is really decorated now with lighting...just in time for Christmas.

dave ziegler
11-18-2011, 11:27
I not long ago was speaking to a couple of people who worked in the 1966 Bottling house and they both told me the following story. Many People that worked there always carried a collaspible metal drinking cup and or a bending reuseable Straw. The Reason was well known if whiskey was spilled they could slurp it up with the straw and if the chance came to pour a quick drink, you had your metal folding cup in your pocket ready for the chance to try something special like the 20 year old, Old Hickory bourbon!

Sandy told me this and someone else not sure who it was but they told me the same story!

Working it that Bottling house was like being in a city people everywhere, everyone working in sink to make the great Spirits we made.

Dave Z
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dave ziegler
12-16-2011, 06:15
This weekend I am hoping to get back to Kinsey and I want to take a walk in the 1966 Bottle House again to get a few more shots of the One thing that really brought Life to Kinsey back in 1966.

Before the Bottling house maybe 75 to 80 people worked there, but when the Bottling house opened there were around 600 people in its hayday! This week would be when the last local shipments of Spirits would be going out by Truck.
In the month of Nov there would have been 3 rail box cars at the dock all day every day two shifts 5 days a week.

People would be working very hard to get the last products out and Old Hickory would be flying off the shelf, and Inver House Scotch also. The biggest sellers were Old Hickory, 80 proof and and 86 Proof 10 yr, Inver House Scotch and Hallers County Fair 100 proof BIB. Inver House Scotch Opend the door for a working man to enjoy a good Scotch. Before Mr. Neuman started our Distillery in Scotland Scotch was very expensive do to the Special tax on it. When we shipped it here and bottled it here, and the fact it was owned by a USA company made the price go way down by not having to pay that special Exsise tax started by Joe Kennedy back in the 1930's.
Mr Neuman was an amazing Man and it was his inovation that started the using of used Bourbon barrels for Scotch on a big scale.
Dave Z
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spiderblues
12-16-2011, 13:04
Hey Dave,
I can head in with you on Sunday if you want to meet up.
Just shoot me a PM.
Rod


This weekend I am hoping to get back to Kinsey and I want to take a walk in the 1966 Bottle House again to get a few more shots of the One thing that really brought Life to Kinsey back in 1966.

Before the Bottling house maybe 75 to 80 people worked there, but when the Bottling house opened there were around 600 people in its hayday! This week would be when the last local shipments of Spirits would be going out by Truck.
In the month of Nov there would have been 3 rail box cars at the dock all day every day two shifts 5 days a week.

People would be working very hard to get the last products out and Old Hickory would be flying off the shelf, and Inver House Scotch also. The biggest sellers were Old Hickory, 80 proof and and 86 Proof 10 yr, Inver House Scotch and Hallers County Fair 100 proof BIB. Inver House Scotch Opend the door for a working man to enjoy a good Scotch. Before Mr. Neuman started our Distillery in Scotland Scotch was very expensive do to the Special tax on it. When we shipped it here and bottled it here, and the fact it was owned by a USA company made the price go way down by not having to pay that special Exsise tax started by Joe Kennedy back in the 1930's.
Mr Neuman was an amazing Man and it was his inovation that started the using of used Bourbon barrels for Scotch on a big scale.
Dave Z
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Jono
01-03-2012, 14:10
Dave, do you recall the connection or sale of the Inver House brand back to the current Inver House Distillers on Scotland?

http://www.inverhouse.com/portfolio-whisky.php

I assume they are one and the same.

Ralfy mentions Inver House Distillers in this review of Ancnoc 12 y.o.
http://whiskyreviews.blogspot.com/search?q=anCnoc

http://whiskyreviews.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html
Inver House is currently owned by a Thai businessman.

dave ziegler
01-13-2012, 18:50
Jono it was sold in around spring 1980 I think. At the time of sale the employees there bought it but then later sold to the curent owners! When we opened it in 1964 it was the finish of Mr Neumens dream of making Scotch afordable to the common man.
Before Inver House Distillery Scotch was way to expensive for the working man!
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dave ziegler
02-02-2012, 10:00
I plan on walking inside the Old 1966 Bottling House very soon this winter, I have been told it is getting so bad rain and snow come through the sections where they meet in the building. And this fall you could see Sunlight coming through the ceiling. It is so sad as The Bottle house was the newest Building in the Plant having been built as general Explosion proof Warehouse U in 1951. And starting around 1964 being made into the worlds largest bottling House when completed in Sept 1966. It is a very big building as I have said before being 2 football fields long and 3/4 of a football field wide.

The few times I got in there working in the yard gang hauling broken glass I was in awe of it. Remembering going in there was like walking into a large city People everywhere. 250 or more a shift. 11 Lines roaring and fork lifts trying to keep up with the cases of Whiskey flying off the Lines.

Line A1-F could do 40,000 bottles a day, and was driven by a early Computer that used Vacum tubes in it because of the heat in the power generation. I actualy found a few brand new tubes in the bottle house, and will be using them in my Tube stereo pre amp in the near future.

The Bottle house was self suficent having its own Maintaince men, Laboratory, and Goverment men, also its own Nurse and dispensary.

It ran 2 shifts 5 days a week and the docks could handle 3 train box cars and 10 trucks. It also had enough room to hold all the finished Products till shipping.
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dave ziegler
03-15-2012, 07:22
Walking around outside the old 1966 State of art Continental Distilling Bottle House it is unbelieveable How bad the Newest of the Explosion proof Buildings has gotten.

Having been built in 1951 four years after the completing of the 14 other Explosion proof Warehouses it is leaking lots of water, pieces of the sealing cement falling down and the never ending Vandals stealing anything they can. For those that steal I hope some day they pay dearly. I don't want excuses that times are hard. Those type of people would rather steal then work even in the best of times!

Pipes Stainless Pump heads all gone and every kind of rotten thing possiblee done. People being Jerks and writing Rotten things on the walls I hope they get caught.

I loved the place the first day I went to work and can not understand people who will not work as they are missing the feeling of selfworth you get in making a living. I would go in early just to see Charlie Seipler roar out of the old grain drying building in his Model A Ford frame with a home made by him wooden flat bed. Powered by a 100 hp Ford V8 flat head engine.

It had no fenders, or windshield and the seat for Charlie was an old easy chair bolted on the frame and a metal chair for a passenger. Dicky Pfiefer put the big flat head in it and Charlie would come roaring out of the Building Hit second and slide around the big silo hit the main road and hit third gear!

As he drove into the distance you would see Smoke pouring out of His Corn Cob Pipe. Charlie took care of all painting upkeep and carpener and sign work. Charlie made all the signs on the warehouses now missing and stenciled all the writing.

Back In the day very few Whiskys ever made the ball drop Building in Times Square, but Kinsey Silver was one of the few that enjoyed much time in signage there. Also Kinsey Silver Blended was very loved in Ny City.

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Jono
03-15-2012, 08:17
Just think what current regulators would say! That vehicle violated so many standards there would have been fines etc.

dave ziegler
03-18-2012, 12:39
I'll tell you one thing Jono that old buggy was fast and Charlie cranked it up! Here are some more plant shots from yesterday with Rod and Ethan and Gretchen. We had a great time looking aand taking pictures an finding stuff!
Here are six Pictures taken in theld Kinsey Grain Process building which was the lst stop for the grain before the DSP-Pa-12 still building. Tis old building was built at the turn of the century.
1.,2. Old grain Machine
3. Old Switch Box in Graain building.
4. Old Wooden Grain chutes number #3 there were many stes each having different number groups.
5. Looking from where the entrance from the Old Tunnel would be toward the Bathroom in the Grain perocess building
6. The Old Grain Collector
I will be posting Alot more pictures and a couple of special fun ones on theMemoris thread today.
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ethangsmith
03-18-2012, 12:46
Here I am loading a barrel into the barrel elevator! Dave has another picture of both of us hard at work rolling some barrels.

spiderblues
03-18-2012, 14:51
Great action shot!


Here I am loading a barrel into the barrel elevator! Dave has another picture of both of us hard at work rolling some barrels.

ethangsmith
03-18-2012, 17:08
Yea. I thought that shot turned out pretty well, even though it's certainly not my best side.....

Young Blacksmith
03-18-2012, 19:28
Were those empty barrels?

dave ziegler
03-19-2012, 02:31
There has been no Whiskey in Barrels there since 1979. Just a couple of surviving barrels on that floor missing the middle hoops they are just staying together. Brought back alot of memories of rolling barrels in the warehouse back in the day. The big difference is no weight if they were full you would be working hard moving those 72 gal barrels.
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dave ziegler
03-27-2012, 09:58
In the old days the new 1966 Bottling House was the high point of the Plant. Having around 250 + people per the two shifts with a total of 600 people working at Kinsey.

Inside the 1966 Bottle House was like a city with all of the 11 bottle lines roaring, including Line A-1-F which did 40,000 bottles a day being run by an early generation Computer which used vacume tubes in its controls.

We had enough room to warehouse all products and Docks that could handle 3 Rail Box Cars and 10 trucks at the same time. The Building started as Explosion Proof all Purpose Warehouse U being turned into the Powerhouse it became on Sept 1966 when it opened, and the time I got Hired. When my Dad worked there it was just an all Purpose whiskey storage Building.

The Building was 2 football fields Long and 3/4 of a football field wide. The day it opened it was the largest Spirits bottling House in the world and the Most Modern also. It had its own lab and Nurses station also, and its own Mantaince crew.

People from all over the world traveled to Linfield to tour it. Continental Distilling was the largest employer in Montgomery County, Limerick township back then.

I wish there were some Pictures I could show here of How Beautiful the Plant was back then also. Having been hired to work in the Yard gang I saw first hand how well the Plant was taken care of. Mr Neuman called it His Beautiful Distillery on The river.

It will always be one of my favorite things in my Life and those days remain dear to me till I leave this world.
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dave ziegler
04-02-2012, 09:14
One of the saddest things of all is walking in the 1966 State of art bottling house built by Si Neuman. Nature and vandels have totally destroyed what is the newest Building there being built in 1951. It leaks water between its sections, the air is filled with dust, I wore a mask in there and the Vandels Have broken in and stealing stuff again big time.

I still think one day someone doing that will get hurt and not be able to get help as they go in there in total darkness in the late hours of the night to do their evil deeds. And I don't want someone to say times are tough, yes they are but if you are a thief you are just that. There nothing Noble about stealing things.

I walk in there and it is hard to believe people just ruining things just for the so called fun of it. In 1966 about 500 people worked two shifts in the bottling house and it was the worlds biggest and most modern. Now it is just a abandon wreck.

There are not many of us left who worked at Kinsey but I have never met anyone who worked there that did not like working there. And the pay was the best around back then. An engineer who works where I do now saw my old Pay stub from Kinsey 1966 and said I cleared alot more then he did right out of collage.

Years later I would be driving truck for half what I would have made working at Kinsey till the end.
However it would have been terrible to go in to work to find out it closed overnight forever. There are many Refridges in the bottle house still holding lunches never eaten.
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dave ziegler
04-13-2012, 09:27
The 1966 state of art Bottling house was very inovative and was like a small city having just about anything they needed inside one place. It warehoused all the filled cases of whiskey, all the new Labels and cases and bottles for the whiskeys and also all the shipping of Product out the door. It was as I have said 2 full football fields long and 3/4 of a football field wide. Two shifts ran Monday through Friday with about 520 people in the two shifts.

We had enough capacity that we never ran on weekends. Line A-1-F early computer driven could crank out 40,000 bottles a day. There were 10 other lines of various type running all the time too. Safety was a big issue and even at the end finished hole through the bulkhead to the last room for shipping and storage at the top of each line, a Sprinkler was mounted just in case of fire.

The bottling house had its own modern Lab and Maintaince shop. Also its own on duty Nurse and dispensery. It had a large Lunch room with lots of ARA vending machines, such as Cup soda's Cigs, treats and Sandwichs.

The area was in what was a dock when the building was built and they put a frame work of glass windows so that if you raised the big metal roll door you could look outside on nice days.

The bottling plant when it opended was as modern as you could build and many people from the industry came to look it over including ,many distillers we bottled for such as Seagrams.

All Liquor bottling was done at Happy House the old Kinsey bottling house till 1979 when the comany stopped making and bottling drinking spririts.

Walking into the Big Bottle house was like walking in a large city with people everywhere doing their job and everything flowing smooth as silk!

It was a beautiful operation and well managed and it is my belief that if Mr Si Neuman had not died suddenly as he did it would still be operating with a new still on site and much more. There was lots of room and lots of good wells for water and He would have upgraded everything. There was lots of talk while I still worked there of many things to come. And separating the Industrial Alcohol production from the distilling of Spririts Alcohol was thought to be coming to Linfield soon! That was why they kept the Old Kinsey still intact for Grandfathering.

We had lots of water for fire protection being on the River with two large water towers one in front and one at the back and two high pumping systems. And about 200 acres of land.

Mr Neuman loved the Kinsey Distillery and traveled up almost weekly to look around at the plant. Offten he would get out of his old Bently and walk around talking to people. As Long as he lived we knew without a doubt we would have good paying jobs.

I look back now and relise how darn blessed we were working there and the great company we worked for. I well remember the Old water tanks with Continental Distilling Corp and Disvision of Publicker Industries written on them back then!
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dave ziegler
04-18-2012, 09:38
Summer is returning and The 1966 Bottling house is getting worse every spring. When it rains water runs between the sections of the building.

Weeds are taking over the Amazing dock that could handle 3 rail cars and 10 trucks. Vandels continue breaking in and stealing and creeps continue writting grafiti on walls. I am sick at heart at what is happening to what was such a beautiful Plant and a great place to work.

It would kill Ludy if he saw how it looks now. He worked there from 1933 through to 1980 except for late 1939 when Jacob G Kinsey went bankrupt.

I think of all my Old timer friends - Shorty 'Harison Tyson' Dickie Phiefer -Eagle Beek 'Warren Eshbach' - Lou Stefy - Big Bitch 'Milt Shantz' and Charlie Seipler. And so many more including My dad who worked there about 3 years when I was a Kid.
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dave ziegler
04-25-2012, 12:30
When Mr Neuman Opened the Inver House Distillery in Scotland around 1964 it opened the door for afordable Scotch for America. It cut the exsise tax way down because it was an American owned Distillery. And When the 1966 Bottling House Opened on Sept of 1966 in made way for Lower Scotch prices because Most of the Scotchs were shipped in Barrels Here and Bottled in Linfield Pa. Then making Scotch afordable to the Common Man. Inver House Scotch sold for around $ 3.95 a 4/5 in the Late 1960's.

The Bottling House was like a gaint Jewel shining in the sun back then. It was built as Explosion Proof Warehouse U and making it into the New Bottle house started in around 1964/65. Once it Opened the old Bigler Street Bottle House in Phila closed from bottling Spirits forever.

Also the Old Kinsey Bottle House ( Happy House ) continued bottling all the Liquors the company made. Ones such as Peanut Lolita, Amarretta Lolita and Caffe Lolita. Also our wonderful Blackberry Brandy and much more.

American made Products bottled in the USA by hard working class Americans. Around 600 People worked at Kinsey once the Bottling House opened and because of the bottling house I got my Job on the Yard gand as some people bumped to go in and work in the bottling house!
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dave ziegler
04-30-2012, 08:56
I found a nicer colored Picture of Angelo Myers Offices in Phila before Prohibition happened. Mr Kinsey Used Mr Myers services and name to market his Rye Whiskeys.

His office was down town at 311 n. 3rd street in Phila. At no time during the History Of Kinsey Distilling when Mr Jacob G Kinsey was there did anyone ever own the Plant but Mr Kinsey, and then when he went Bankrupt Continental Distilling bought it at a silent auction in spring of 1940.

Till when the Person who owns the plant now since 1982, and abandoned it in sept 1986 when Continental went out of bussiness, was the place so terrible. I was over walking Sunday and I just get very upset seeing how People just destroy the place for something to do.

The 1966 Bottling House is the newest building on the propery and also the worst for destruction. Water pours in from the ceilings due to vandels stealing metal edging on the roof. Daylight comes in from between the sections of it. Mould everywhere and thiefs stealing everything they can. As for them I hope for every dollor they get stealing they lose $10.

Vandels are now painting weird things on buildings and tanks, I am so glad I started this back in 2006 as I got lots of pictures of everything before those things happened. My one great regret is that I did not get there before 2002 so I could have got Pictures inside the Old DSP-Pa-12 Still.

It was so neat when I swept in there back in the yard gang, and the feeding of Wonder Bread to the fish in the one cyprus wood Fermenter next to where we clocked out is such a great memory.

I remember those days fondly and love to share those times with my Friends here on SB!
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Parkersback
04-30-2012, 11:27
As always, Dave, thanks for sharing these memories with us.

dave ziegler
05-01-2012, 12:08
Parkersback thanks for kind words I want to keep the memories of the Plant and Publicker alive while I am here to do it.

When I was hired in Sept of 1966 it was the result of many years of planing and designing and building of the 1966 Bottling house, when it opened it was truely the best sprits bottling house in all the world. It was decades above the Old Bigler street bottle house in Phila.

Publicker also paid to have busing of people with long service years at the old Phila bottle house to Linfield every day 5 days a week. It was one of the first bottling houses to sport an early Computer driven bottling line number A-1-F could do 40,000 bottles a day that was unheard of before 1966. And there were 10 other bottling lines and lines to repair leakers and fix labels too!

The 1966 Bottle House was a living city of People, about 520 and state of Art equipment and its own Laboratory and nursing station. Also those years it was unheard of, but the bottle house had battery powered emergency escape lights in all the important areas. My friend here in safety where I work was very impressed when I showed him pictures I took of the Old Excide emergency lighting units. To look at it now you would never know what a glorious place it was.

There never a fire or explosion and no one ever hurt bad there! We did alot of custom bottling for Large and small disitllers. We did lots of work for seagrams, Brown Foremen and many others including Liquors for Jacquins. All Liquors where bottled at the Old Kinsey Bottle house.

The time line for the new bottling house started in sept 1966 and ended in Sept 1986 20 years to the month.

Everytime I walk around I find things that were short cutted by the management People who ran the place after Mr Si Neuman died.

I am always thankful that I worked there in those glory years and nothing can take away my Memory of how the Plant looked back then. It was a shining star with its flower beds and Dog wood trees and manicured lawns.

The buildings were always kept up and the place just plain looked awesome!
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unclebunk
05-02-2012, 07:26
I am always thankful that I worked there in those glory years and nothing can take away my Memory of how the Plant looked back then. It was a shining star with its flower beds and Dog wood trees and manicured lawns.

The buildings were always kept up and the place just plain looked awesome!
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That sounds like heaven, Dave. I'm green with envy! Are you still in contact with any of your former co-workers? If so, do any of them have your passion for documenting what once stood on the site?

dave ziegler
05-02-2012, 16:52
Unclebunk most of them are very old that are still living, but none of them have a bad word about working there. I try when I talk to old timers like Ludy to get as much information as I can.

We made very good money and for the most part we had a good time working there. We did hard work but hard work makes you thankful for what you Have!

And it was a great a Company and a great place to work!
Thanks for asking!
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unclebunk
05-03-2012, 13:00
Unclebunk most of them are very old that are still living, but none of them have a bad word about working there. I try when I talk to old timers like Ludy to get as much information as I can.

We made very good money and for the most part we had a good time working there. We did hard work but hard work makes you thankful for what you Have!

And it was a great a Company and a great place to work!
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I'm glad that you can look back on those years with such fond memories. Lots of folks can't and in their twilight years wish that things had turned out differently in their careers. You were blessed, by the sounds of it, and we benefit from hearing about your experiences. Thanks for sharing, Dave. I always read your posts with great interest.

dave ziegler
05-03-2012, 18:20
I'm glad that you can look back on those years with such fond memories. Lots of folks can't and in their twilight years wish that things had turned out differently in their careers. You were blessed, by the sounds of it, and we benefit from hearing about your experiences. Thanks for sharing, Dave. I always read your posts with great interest.


Thanks Unclebunk I sure am glad I worked there then and where I do now as my longest job driving truck was very bad. But when I got down sized I got the job I have now and it is awesome and the best thing today we had kids from the local high school getting tours of the plant and everyone who took a kid through the plant brought them by my office to see my switches and old time stuff from Kinsey and my WWII pictures.
I feel very blessed! Thanks agian for the kind words I try to put as much interesting stuff here as I can, I want people to feel like they are at Kinsey back in the day. And most of all I want the memories to go on after I am gone.
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ratcheer
05-04-2012, 04:24
I feel very blessed! Thanks agian for the kind words I try to put as much interesting stuff here as I can, I want people to feel like they are at Kinsey back in the day. And most of all I want the memories to go on after I am gone.
Dave Z

Well said, Dave. I think that is what we all want.

Tim

dave ziegler
05-11-2012, 18:17
Sitting here tonight drinking some of the last original Inver House Scotch I have. And I'll tell you what it is a real good blended Scotch for $4.95 a Quart! The new stuff can't compare to it. One thing for sure once Mr Neuman built the still in Scotland and bottled the Scotch in Linfield he ended all the extra government taxes and made it possible for the common man to aford Scotch!

Mr Neuman Believed that all spirits should be afordable to the common working man. And because of what he did they are! He was the Henry Ford of Spirits!!

Till the day I leave this world I will be proud I worked for Publicker Industries!
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dave ziegler
05-15-2012, 03:52
On Saturday I walked around in the 1966 Bottling house and I could not believe my eyes. Every single whiskey pump at the back incoming wall have been stolen. I will say it again I hope for every dollar they made in the stealing I hope they lose four! Water is leaking in everywhere and the air is full of cement dust. It is so sad to see this once proud and newest of the buildings at kinsey in such a state. It is in a state of total loss.

I am glad I got in there and got the pictures I did of the pumps and all the tanks before the Thiefs and Vandel went crazy. Those pictures are here for History and what a great History for 14 years 1966 through 1979!

Because of the Bottling house I got a job at Kinsey and had a good life while I worked there and so did 600 other People!

That first day in Sept 1966 When the bottle House opened it was the most totally modern and largest Bottling house in the world. It had 11 lines and line A-1-F could do 40,000 bottles a day. A-1-F would clean the bottles with air, fill and cap them, Label them and put the bottles back in the case they started from at lines beginning. It was an amazing thing to see. It was driven by a early type of Computer that had Vacume tube Power!

When the bottle house opened people from all over the world came to tour it, now people go there to wreck it and steal a very sad ending to the Kinsey Distillery which Opened in 1892 a year before My Grandmother was born.

I will take some destroyed shots in there soon and get shots of what is left for History soon.
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dave ziegler
05-31-2012, 03:30
Thinking back to the years I worked at Kinsey there is one thing that sticks out in my Mind and that is the fact that everytime I drink some Scotch I can thank Mr Si Neuman for being able to get Scotch at a fair Price in the USA.

When Mr Neuman Built the Inver House Distillery as a American owned Distillery In Scotland He opened the door to reduced Prices for Scotch because it cut the import taxes way down. It made Scotch an afordable drink for the common man in the USA. The biggest reason being it was aged and Bottled in Linfield Pa at Kinsey.

Because of that the price was so good that it became the rage! In magazines you would read Ads saying Inver is in and then the places like London,Ny, phila, Pairis and so on. And the Name became the most well known Scotch around. Also for a resonablely priced Blended Scotch it was a very Good Scotch for the Money! Also Inver House Scotch suported auto Racing and sports for Years. I have an old America Road racing Calendar for the 1968 races Advertising Inver House Scotch as the Sponser.

The Next Time You decide to Have a Scotch say Thanks To Si Neuman and his vision to make the Product available to the Working man because it was his ideas that made it Happen.
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dave ziegler
06-10-2012, 10:15
I picked up the base for my Last Distillery parts lamp I am making I will be getting the lamp back from the electrcian this week some time and will post the complete Lamp them. Thanks to Rod for Climbing up in the old Grain process building to get me the last lamp of this early turn of the century Type.
1. The Base made for the Lamp
2. The Small Green Porcelen shade for the lamp
3. The Lamp when I started building it, it now has a securtiy check box with a key from the old Warehouse C on top of the switch, which when I get it back I will take a picture of the whole thing and post it.

The explosion proof fixture on top of the shade is from the very early 1900's.

I have made a place in front of my bottles next to my other 2 lamps. These lamps when I am gone will forever be a part of the plant and what it was like working there when I did.
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dave ziegler
06-17-2012, 15:50
I decided to take a walk around Kinsey today on fathers day and I am truely amazed at the ruin there now! Vandels painting weird stuff on the warehouses like they do in the city. Buildings leaking lots of water.

And as far as weeds and trees, you can hardly see the 1966 bottle house. Some of the warehouses docks are disappearing with weeds and Virginia Creeper. I took a couple of pictures I will post this week.

The whole walk through is awful, and unbelieveable. In my wildest dreams I would never have thought this could happen to Kinsey. I am all the more glad I have saved what I have from there. There is not much left to save and not to long before all the buildings start to fall down.

One Thing I want to state for History the Man who owns the Plant is the one and only one to blame for this. May his name be thought of as the name of criminal and
a terrible person in history!

Jacob G Kinsey started the Plant, Si Neuman bought the plant at auction and loved it and the man who owns it now destroyed it. What he did to the plant is a crime and he should hold his head down in shame.
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dave ziegler
06-30-2012, 17:55
Today I went over the see what had burned yesterday at Kinsey and I was very sad! They completely Knocked down the Old DSP-PA-10 Rye Barn, to get to the fire, I am so glad I saved the side of the Staircase. Also Warehouse D is completely gone and more then half of warehouse E. Also Historic 1892 Warehouse B is competely gone. 1892 warehouse A survived and some of the Old Bottle House is still there, On a strange twist of fate, You have to go in from the road and the back side of the old bottle house that was partly down is gone. In another strange twist of fate in walking into the Old Bottle house today I found a scew on cage I had carried from the old #10 Rye barn building about a week ago and forgot, so in taking it there it is the only surviving one I brought it home to Kinsey west!

I took many pictures and I am going to get many more tomorrow which I will post on the Fire Observation tower thread!
In another sad twist of fate Warehouse E had a heavy lock put on by Continental many years ago and no one not even me had ever got in it. It turns out after seeing half of it still standing that the roof was good on it and had not leaked and the floors had been ok all these years till the fire spread to it. The wood on the last standing racks looks almost like new. makes me wish I could have gotten in it before this happened. Looking at the fallen brick walls they were 4 and 3 bricks thick, I never knew that so I guess when Jacob G Kinsey built them he was trying in his own way to make them sort of explosion proof!

It was in warehouse E that I had the very first rye whiskey I ever had and there was where the whiskey was for the 20 year old Old Hickory Bourbon!
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mike22487
07-01-2012, 14:20
Im guessing that fire extinguisher that we found still full, last time I was up there is under rubble. Im going to have to sort through the pictures I have taken there and start a new thread with them. I'm probably going to be planning a trip up there for late August or September.

dave ziegler
07-02-2012, 18:23
Yes Mike it is under tons of bricks and sadly about two weeks ago I looked at it and sort of wished I had pulled it out of there and put it some where. I took a explosion proof light srew on cover with the glass broken out from Dsp-pa-10 rye barn into the old kinsey bottle house a week ago and forgot it, and because I did it survived and is home with me.

The person who ran the excavator knocked down stuff he did not need to. The fire never got into warehouse E nothing was burnt in that building but they still ripped the wall down and tore some racks down when there was no need and I hate to say it but I hate them for doing that when there was no need to. I can't help it I loved those old Kinsey warehouses and the most amazing Bourbon came from that warehouse the 20 yr old Old Hickory Special bourbon. Tonight I climbed all the way down in warehouse D to take a picture of the Elevator in warehouse D. It was sort of scary as I went there by myself but I wanted a picture of what was left. I climbed down loose piles of bricks way down not even thinking of how I would get out. I made it back up thank God with out falling but it was scary. I also got my last floor lamp I built back from the electrican today and I am going to post some pictures of it tomorow.

PS look at my other 2 threads for the pictures I posted of what the fire did to the old warehouses!
Dave Z --- Ps Look forward to getting together with you Mike!
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spiderblues
07-03-2012, 16:44
Be careful Dave!

dave ziegler
07-03-2012, 20:26
Hey Rod Here are a couple of pictures of my new lamp with my other lamps. I will post some shots in the 1966 Bottling house later this week here. Just got the goose neck Lamp back yesterday from the electrian. The explosion proof housing and Green shade is from the old Grain process building 1892 gotten for me by Rod many thanks. The pilot light is from warehouse C and the Detex Clock watch station box is from warehouse C. The Switch is from warehouse I and the goose neck pipe is from the weigh & Scale House at the back of the plant. The complete Lamp is built from Kinsey stuff except the base and bottom pipe.
Here are 3 pictures of my new Lamp with the goose neck and 1 with my other two lamps. Also a picture of an old Continental Distilling Bottle My Friend got at a yard sale, and one I have never seen Old Harbor Blended Whisky. Bottle is coded 1940. Wish I would have found it!

I have one more project yet my lamp being made from the elevator explosion proof light housing in the middle of a pilot light and a explosion proof switch. I posted a picture of it waiting to be wired a couple of weeks ago. It will sit on the top of the cabinet near the front door to give me light when I come home in the dark during the winter months. Also I have a small lamp shade with vintage Continental Distilling whisky labels on it, that was on a lamp at the companies headquarters in Phila on my friend who ran Marking for Publicker Industries desk back in the day. I plan to sit it on the lamp when it is done. I will post a picture of the shade soon. It even has a Linfield Straight Bourbon Label on it.
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dave ziegler
07-04-2012, 17:46
Tonight I want to post a couple more shots of my Lamps and the lamp shade I will use for my little table top lamp when I get it back this shade will sit right on top of the old Elevator explosion proof light fixture.
1. My Shade given to me by my friend who ran Marketing for Publicker, he had it on a bottle lamp on his desk at the world headquarters on Chestnut street in Phila. note the rare Linfield Borbon labal.

2. Other side has vintage Kinsey Labal.
3. My Lettered Barrel staves made for me by Fricky a couple of yrs ago, I finally rearanged my displace after getting my lamps.
4. My brass Barrel Stencil given me by my friend who ran marketing for Publicker. Dated 1945.
5.My two Phones of 3 I got from Kinsey the wall phone was from warehouse M, the explosion proof one is from warehouse P both are operating. On my desk at work I have the multi line one from the General office in the bottle house.
6. The wall phone note Ext. 225 1940 model rebuiltin 1975 marked inside
7. The Explosion Proof one note ext 227 also a 1940 model
8. My Lights again.
I will post some pictures I got inside the 1966 bottling house here later this week, also I will be posting some more fire pictures on my other threads.
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Jono
07-05-2012, 13:44
Dave, I hope you don't get the occasional earthquake tremble in your area....would hate to see those bottles drop!

OscarV
07-05-2012, 13:49
Dave, cool it!
You are creeping me out,....also all those other threads, stay away from that place, it obviously has got you F'ed up.
Free yourself for your own sake!

sutton
07-05-2012, 15:45
Dave, cool it!
You are creeping me out,....also all those other threads, stay away from that place, it obviously has got you F'ed up.
Free yourself for your own sake!

Honestly Dave - please don't hurt yourself. I don't want to be reading about an accident in the paper one day. I understand your attachment, but please stay safe ...

spiderblues
07-05-2012, 15:45
Dave, the lamp looks great. It's a lot taller than I imagined it would be! It's gotta be about 7 feet hangs, but I like the way it hangs down. The gooseneck was perfect for that lamp.
The pressure is on to get mine done now!


Hey Rod Here are a couple of pictures of my new lamp with my other lamps. I will post some shots in the 1966 Bottling house later this week here. Just got the goose neck Lamp back yesterday from the electrian. The explosion proof housing and Green shade is from the old Grain process building 1892 gotten for me by Rod many thanks. The pilot light is from warehouse C and the Detex Clock watch station box is from warehouse C. The Switch is from warehouse I and the goose neck pipe is from the weigh & Scale House at the back of the plant. The complete Lamp is built from Kinsey stuff except the base and bottom pipe.
Here are 3 pictures of my new Lamp with the goose neck and 1 with my other two lamps. Also a picture of an old Continental Distilling Bottle My Friend got at a yard sale, and one I have never seen Old Harbor Blended Whisky. Bottle is coded 1940. Wish I would have found it!

I have one more project yet my lamp being made from the elevator explosion proof light housing in the middle of a pilot light and a explosion proof switch. I posted a picture of it waiting to be wired a couple of weeks ago. It will sit on the top of the cabinet near the front door to give me light when I come home in the dark during the winter months. Also I have a small lamp shade with vintage Continental Distilling whisky labels on it, that was on a lamp at the companies headquarters in Phila on my friend who ran Marking for Publicker Industries desk back in the day. I plan to sit it on the lamp when it is done. I will post a picture of the shade soon. It even has a Linfield Straight Bourbon Label on it.
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dave ziegler
07-05-2012, 17:57
Oscarv & Sutton don't worry I will not take that kind of chance again. At 65 in Sept I have to relise I can't do that kind of stuff anymore. Next time I go there I will be with Rod and will not do what I did on Monday night. I thank both of you for caring and for getting me to think a little more when it comes to taking chances! I love the place but do not want to die there.Thanks for your Wisdom!! PS I spoke to Ludy tonight He will be 94 in Sept and the first thing he asked me was how bad was it. I told him you would never want to see it! He said you are right it would kill me after I told him all the buildings that are gone He worked there for 44 yrs.
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dave ziegler
07-06-2012, 12:10
Today I found a couple of Pictures I got from an Old Video of Kinsey when DSP-Pa-12 was standing and the Old Bottle House was still complete, and The Old Kinsey Office building. I shot these with my Digital Camera from the computer screen so they are poor but still when its all there is its worth getting and posting.

1.& 2. The Old Dsp-pa 12 Distiller in 2003 2 years before I got there and it was knocked down boy I wish I could go back in time and walk in it and get pictures. These are the Only pictures i have found and i captured them from a video so they are poor but still awsome to see it again.
3. The Old Kinsey Bottling house before fire and Ice took the second floor down if you look on the roof you can see the Old Skylights on the roof. Year 2003.
4. The only Picture I have of the Old Built by Jacob G kinsey Office Building which served as the office for the Plant other then the 1966 Bottle house for the History of Kinsey. It was here that Jacob G Kinsey had his shot of Whiskey every Morning before the day began. When I first got back to the Plant this building was a Pile of Bricks. It was in this Building that Mr Reinert worked and Ruth Harrington and Ken Landis and others and this building is where my and all the plant workers Pays came from I hope some day to find better pictures but posing these makes sense for History sake.

I am thrilled that I was able by the amazing ability of Digital Camera to get these from the world wide web from a video for History, and I will continue to look for vintage pictures.
Also I posted some Pictures after the fire at Kinsy taken on Monday on the Memories thread and I will be posting some inside the 1966 Bottle House pictures on that thread soon.
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dave ziegler
07-27-2012, 09:46
Here are some Pictures I took in the Continental Distilling 1966 Bottling house about 3 weeks ago with Don.
1. & 2. Explosion Proof Furesent light fixture at incoming Tankage area of the Bottle House
3. The Old Honeywell Quality Machine loaded and set for a day that never came back at the incoming spirits area.
4. Emergencey Light High up at First Bulkhead wall where the Bottling Lines started.
5. Emergencey Safety station in the far left shipping/Receiving and warehouseing end of the Bottling House. Note small siren at top.

I will continue to Keep getting pictures and have some more from this trip I will post later. It is amazing How bad time and no heat and Vandels have taken their toll on the Original Worlds Largest Bottling house for Spirits.

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dave ziegler
08-13-2012, 14:57
Well the Sethness Caramel coloring barrel is safely at Kinsey west my house.
Here is 2 pictures of it and also a picture I just got back from my Friend Butch who worked for Publicker, of Publickers West Wego,La Chemical Plant I had sent him to clean up on his software for me.
1. Sethness barrel
2. Sethness barrel
3. Publicker Industries West Wego,La Chemical Plant

I will be posting some other pictures on the Memory Thread soon.
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dave ziegler
08-31-2012, 09:44
After the fire I went to Kinsey many times and also went in the 1966 Continental Distilling Bottling House.
here are some of the shots I got.

1. Inside the 1966 Bottling house on one of the Pilers was a salt tablet dispenser it must have gotten fairly hot in there in the summer.
2. One of the Old Steel Lunch room chairs I brought home to Kinsey west my house.
3. The Sethness Caramel Barrel in warehouse E before Ethan his wife and his friend saved it for me.
4. A sign that hung on the wall for Maintaince in the 1966 bottling house.
5. A Picture of Me taking the piece of wood I saved from Warehouse D before they were knocked down.

Kinsey is doomed but I will continue to try and save things and talk about the Company as long as I can.
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dave ziegler
09-19-2012, 09:33
I just got some interesting Pictures from my Friend Butch who worked at Publicker for 10 years in Phila.
Here are 3 Pictures of some more of Publickers Paco Tankers. These very Tankers hauled full barrels of Aged Scotch from Inverhouse Distillery to Phila and used Barrels to Scotland for Scotch.
1.Paco Tanker S.S. Petersburg Built by Sun Ship in Chester pa 1943
2. Paco Tanker S.S.Chilbart
3. S.S. Perryville Built Between 1939 / 1943 acording to serial numbers Sun Ship Chester pa.

Having these Tankers made Mr Si Neumans dream work by being able to bring Barreled Scotch
made in Scotland by a Distillery that was American owned, to the USA to be Bottled at Kinsey in the brand new 1966 Continental Distilling Bottle house. Saving Millions of dollars on Surtaxes & tarrifs and making Scotch afordable to the Common Man!
4. Finally Here is a Picture Of Hana Publicker Born 1908- died -1990, daughter of Philip and Mollie Publicker and Niece of Harry Publicker. Philip Publicker Founded American Commercial Alcohol company in Phila not far from Harry Publickers Publicker Commercial Alcohol Company! So the early routes of American Distilling were in Philadelphia just a short distance from Harry Publickers Plant which was to become Publicker Industries / Continental Distilling / And Kinsey Distilling Plus Therm Ice and much more.

I will be 65 on Sunday and I have been writting about the Company now 6 years in Nov this year. I never get tired of finding things about the company and putting them here, it is a work of Love for me!
About The Greatest Distilling Company in History To Me!
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dave ziegler
10-11-2012, 12:44
To go in the 1966 Bottling house and have seen it in its glory days is hard to believe. I am going to take a walk in it this coming Sunday afternoon. It leaks water everywhere and has been robbed of many things by Vandels, but I well remember the day it opened in 1966. Myself and many other people got jobs that Sept. I had just turned 19 and was working on heavy Contruction when a friend who worked with me who's family ran the construction company told me I should go see if I could get a job there. My First day I went to see the Company nurse, a story I have told before. She got all my information and told me Young Man, please do not get hurt and try to never get hurt in the afternoon after 2:00PM as that is when I have my Boubon and Coffee as I was told to do by my doctor. I was 19 yrs old and believed her that day. months Later I went over to visti after 2:00 PM her and saw her with her giant stehacope listing to a guys cest she looked at him and said I can't hear anything. He sat there with his eyes rolled back I left quick and had a good laugh out of hearing range.

The place was huge almost 200 area's and there were lots of old cars and trucks running around the plant. I was on the yard gang for my first couple of years and we had a 1947 Ford Pickup, and an old Ford 8/n tractor and wagon. Summer it was lawns and winter Snow cleanup unloading coal cars and sweeping floors. I loved sweeping as no one wanted to do the old Buildings so I voluntiered and got to go in the Old DSP - Pa -12 still and the Old Grain buildings. I well remember looking at the old Honeywell quality machine with paper disc's dated for spring 1951 the day the Still never ran again. The Buildings were old but as long as Si Neuman ran the company everything was kept operational and clean fully sprinkeled and electric power.

In my wildest dreams did ever think the place would be abandoned and it is still sureal for me to go and see it like it is. It is if it was left to die and there it sits.
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dave ziegler
11-13-2012, 09:59
Here are some more Pictures of stuff and the Phila Plant.
1. Full never used Cases gotten for Ethan 3 or 4 weeks ago for a Musuem he and his friend are going to make.
2. My two Old Hickory Clocks
3. A touched up Picture of the Publicker Plant and the AA building with the Famous Old hickory Neon sign given me by Butch.

The last time about 3 weeks ago when I went into the 1966 Bottling house I could not believe how bad the shape of it is. It is the newest building on site 1951 and the very worse one. Water pours in from the roof everything that could be stolen has been and everything that could be vandelisd has been. When I opened it was such a proud day for those of us who got a job there because it opened. At that time 600 People worked on site, all good hard working Men and women. Our Products were first rate and Old Hickory was the worlds most famous Bourbon!
This time of year a couple weeks before Thanksgiving was our most busy times, rail car after rail cars were getting loaded with fine whiskeys truck after truck also were being loaded at the long docks. We could do 3 rail cars and I think 10 trucks at the same time.

Now I go and everyone is gone and the plant is like a memory. Where have all the people gone, a good many have passed on and there are a few like me who can tell the story of the worlds largest Distiller of fine spirits.
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ethangsmith
11-13-2012, 13:11
Those boxes weren't easy to get!

dave ziegler
11-20-2012, 04:05
Well on Sunday I got to walk around the Distillery and I got a couple of new Metal plant signs for my Kinsey Tribute Bathroom, Here is a shot of my Bathroom wall.

I well remember all these signs well as if working there was just yesterday. When I go there this time of year it is the most sureal time of all for me, as I walk I think back 43 years before to better days when the place was alive with much exciting activity. Rail cars and trucks being loaded with Old Hickory, Hallers County Fair, Inverhouse Scotch and Phila Blended and so many more brands now forgotten. Brands like Linfield Striaght Bourbon of which I have no bottle for my Collection. If anyone here ever finds an empty Linfield bourbon bottle let me know as it is the one Bottle I would love to have for my Bottle collection while I am still around enjoy it.

I wish everyone could have seen what the place was like back then, it was a great example of the greatest of American industry, as Publicker when Si Neuman took it over had 8 people working for the company. In the years I worked there 5,000 people worked for Publicker world Wide. Mr Neuman was one of the most dynamic People in the Industry and A briliant Man, with amazing ideas.

When Si S. Neuman died Kinsey/Continental Distilling / Publicker died.
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dave ziegler
12-18-2012, 06:30
Well Christmas is almost here and my thoughts today go back to the Days I worked at Kinsey and the 1966 Continental Distilling bottle House. When it opened in mid Sept of 1966 it was the most modern and biggest Spirits Bottling house in the world. Eleven bottling lines, lines to repair leaking bottles and QC line to check all bottlings! As I have said many times the Building is 2 football fields Long and 3/4 of a Football field wide. It began its history as a one floor Bonded Warehouse and shipping area in 1951. In 1964 plans started for the bottling to move to Linfield from Bigler street and the Bottle House was Finished and ready to open in Sept 1966. I was lucky enough to be hired and see this amazing Bottle House Open, and I got my job because some people left the Yard gang to work in the bottle House!
Another First by Publicker in the bottling House was Line A-1-F which could do 40,000 Bottles a day and was driven by an early generation Tube Powered Computer. I know It used tubes as I found some new Old stock ones and used them in my Tube Preamp at home!

Sadly now it sits and rots its great history forgotten by many but I will always remember those exciting days of my youth when I got hired there at 19 yrs old. And most likely I will take a walk through Kinsey Christmas Afternoon as I have done many times!
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dave ziegler
01-31-2013, 11:55
Have not been to Kinsey for weeks now and Hoping to go This weekend. Plan on taking some shots in the 1966 Bottling house to show what the Vandels have done. Most times I find something to save for History. But the Bottling house is really going down hill fast!
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dave ziegler
03-14-2013, 09:53
I was at Kinsey this past Sunday Afternoon and went into what was the 1966 Bottling House to see water coming in from the roof anything the Vandels could trash they do. And the air is filled with Dust. I wear a Mask when I go there to not inhale Dust and also as I have Asthama too. I plan going there this weekend and want to get some new pictures inside there.
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dave ziegler
03-25-2013, 18:31
Many, many years ago Ludy gave me a bottle of Old Hickory 10 yr 86 proof Bourbon, for years all that was left was one shot in the bottle tonight I lifted my glass to him with it as this year he will be 95 yrs old! I still have some of the wonderfull bottle of export 7 yr 86 proof old Hickory I was given for my 65 th birthday last year and once it is gone I do not think I will ever find any more. I am just thankful to the person who gave it to me last year when I asked on here! If anyone knows where I can get some more old Hickory let me know! Also please look at the 1966 Bottle house Thread as I have posted 3 new pictures!
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dave ziegler
04-29-2013, 12:33
Hoping before the weeds get to big to get back to Kinsey. Want to take a guy who worked in the Bottle House in to look around.
I was there two sundays ago for a walk but forgot my Camera. I am amazed how nature is slowly eating up the whole Place. The Bottling house is the newest building there and it is in the worse shap of any of them. When I go in I go back in my mind to the old days and all my long gone friends who worked in there. I hope to get myself going doing some more writting about the people who made Continental Distilling great!
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dave ziegler
05-06-2013, 09:43
Yesterday I took a friend and his wife into the Bottling house. He had worked there as a young man and explained alot of things to me. It seems the big area in section A after the incoming tank area was filled back then with brand new cases to be bottled at all times. He explained there was a small line on the bottom where he would lay the bottles it would then line them up going through the bottom of wall. He would then put the empty Box on the top belt and the two would meet at the end where the Machine would lower the full labeled bottles back into the case it would then come up on the line and travel out the last wall to shipping! The Line did everything which was unheard of back in 1966. It cleaned filled capped, put the Tax strip on over the cap and labeled and was repacked at the end of the line automaticly. When the Bottle House Opened in Sept 1966 it was the largest and most modern Bottling House in the world.
It is very hard having worked there to see such ruin there now. As a young man I could never have thought that could happen.
I will post some New pictures this week I took yesterday and the week before.
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dave ziegler
06-13-2013, 16:37
A few weeks ago I went in the 1966 Bottling House and was completely amazed at how much stuff had been stolen. Not one of the pumps at the incoming part of the bottle house are there. They even stole the mounting bases. Cement is falling from the roof inside, lights are falling down the air is terrible and this is the newest building there. When It opened in Sept 1966 it was the grandest bottling house Ever, now it is nothing, how very sad to see this! To think line A-F 1 could do 40,000 bottles a day and even box them and now the place sits in complete ruin is hard to take. Dave Z - It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon. ================================================== ===============================

dave ziegler
07-12-2013, 09:38
Here are some Picture Ads for some of our Continental Distilling Products. There is a product broshure that show our prices against other brands. Mr Neuman was always trying to price our Prroducts so the common man could aford them! Thanks to Butch for informasion on 2 brand I never heard of- Chilton Club Dry Gin and Silver Shield Whiskey! from an old 1938 Broshure.
I have not been to Kinsey for many weeks but I am going there on Sunday afternoon.
I was just thinking yesterday about my old Major Legue Baseball player Gus Niarhos Catcher for the Yankees / Phillies and others. When Gus got into his 50's He did not go manage Minor Legue Baseball teams in South America, instead at seasons end he would come from his New Port News Baseball team to Linfield as a company man and work the winter there. I still have the brand new American Legue Baseball he gave me sitting on my work desk.
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dave ziegler
07-16-2013, 11:01
When it came to bottling Whiskey in the late 1960's and 1970's The Continental Distilling Bottle house at Kinsey was second to none. In those days it was the worlds biggest and also did many custom jobs for Seagrams, Jacquins and many more.
1. Here is an Old Kinsey Whisky Match Pack for Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky!
2. The Old Security Shack sitting across from where it sat when I worked there in Ruin!
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dave ziegler
07-18-2013, 09:32
Our state of the Art Bottling house in Linfield had so much capacity that we did much custom bottling for the world biggest Distillers besides are own stuff! Also when it opened in Sept of 1966 there were people from all over the world taking tours of Our Bottling house. In its peak there were about 500 people working there in two shifts. We had so much capacity we ownly needed two shifts 5 days a week back then.

It pains me to see the bottling House destroyed by vandels, who wreck everything they can not steal! It will always be my Favorite place to have worked and to Me trurly an Icon of distilling!
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mbroo5880i
07-26-2013, 19:43
Our state of the Art Bottling house in Linfield had so much capacity that we did much custom bottling for the world biggest Distillers besides are own stuff! Also when it opened in Sept of 1966 there were people from all over the world taking tours of Our Bottling house. In its peak there were about 500 people working there in two shifts. We had so much capacity we ownly needed two shifts 5 days a week back then.

It pains me to see the bottling House destroyed by vandels, who wreck everything they can not steal! It will always be my Favorite place to have worked and to Me trurly an Icon of distilling!
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Dave -

I love history and really enjoy hearing first hand experiences. Your sharing of your experiences at Continental are just awesome. It is like reading history in the first person. Your passion is apparent. Thank you for sharing this experience with us!

mbroo

dave ziegler
07-29-2013, 06:34
Mbroo When I go there My mind takes me back to those days. I can see see Old Bonda Berky driving his 1951 Pylmouth directing truck traffic with his always present 1/2 pint of Whisky. He would come in early to go to the Old Warehouses to look the best whiskey Possible. And even though Bonda drove around the Plant he never drove on the highway his whole life! His Wife drove them everywhere and it was said she was why He drank sometimes. My Friend and Former Major League Baseball player Gus Niarhos, Played for the Yankees, Phillies Ect, as he got older would spend his winters working at Kinsey Distillery instead of going down to South America to manage winter ball teams. In the summer He managed th New Port News minor league team.
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dave ziegler
07-31-2013, 09:29
Nothing fits this thread more then the Next 3 Pictures of Ads for one of the all time Products that used to be bottled at Linfield in the 1966 Bottling house back in the day!
Here are 3 of many very Neat ads from Continental Distilling for the Scotch they created and it was also the Name Si S. Neuman gave to his home on the Main Line out of Phila. He Named His House Inverhouse back in the 1930's before he used it for this amazingly afordable Scotch.
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Invers In Boston,Invers In France!
Inverhouse was a very great and Historic product it opened the way for the working man to have a good Scotch to drink and Mr Neuman always looked for ways to make Our Products afordable to any and all class's of people!

dave ziegler
08-29-2013, 09:39
Here are some more Pictures of Products that once came from Kinsey Plant in Linfield where I worked.
Picture 1. Is another ad for Rittenhouse Rye our alltime bigest selling Rye Whiskey.
Picture 2. An ad for Philadelphia Blended Whiskey
Picture 3. A picture of the Glen Flagler Distillery in Scotland the year was 1965.
hanks again to Butch for these Pictures!
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squire
08-29-2013, 11:58
Dave can you say how many years Rittenhouse was made at Continental?

dave ziegler
08-29-2013, 18:43
Squire it was made by us from fall 1933 till sept 1979, 46 yrs when they quit making whiskeys! Tried doing nothing but Antifreeze and home cleaners only, till they went out of business in Sept 1986! It was one of worst days I can remember! It was the first Whiskey I ever drank, had it straight from the barrel out of warehouse E now gone struck by lightening last winter! It was named for Rittenhouse square in Philadelphia! Dave Z

CL
09-13-2013, 19:43
When it came to bottling Whiskey in the late 1960's and 1970's The Continental Distilling Bottle house at Kinsey was second to none. In those days it was the worlds biggest and also did many custom jobs for Seagrams, Jacquins and many more.
1. Here is an Old Kinsey Whisky Match Pack for Kinsey The Unhurried Whisky!
2. The Old Security Shack sitting across from where it sat when I worked there in Ruin!
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I remember that guard shack well. It was where the school bus dropped me off. I'd walk in, the guards would call my grandmother and I'd sit there until she drove up from the back of the property to get me. My Dad and I lived with my Mom's parents for a few months while he started his new job in NJ. My mom and three brothers joined us after Dad had found a house in NJ.

dave ziegler
09-16-2013, 09:21
I sure remember your Grandmom picking you when I worked on the yard gang. As I have said Many times your Grandfather always had my Highest Respect. I alway called Him Mr Bryant! He was a very good man. So sad the place sits as it does, When He came there was so much excitment about the new Bottle house and I got my job because of it. Best to you Chuck!
Dave Z
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CL
09-16-2013, 17:48
Thanks, Dave. Back at you.

dave ziegler
10-29-2013, 17:06
Hey Chuck if you ever get up this way we will walk the grounds again like you did as a kid and we working there. It was a great place to work and really good people like your Grandfather back then had the place running great for Mr. Neuman When Mr. Neuman died Publicker and Kinsey died with him. Dave Z. Join The Swing To Kinsey

CL
10-29-2013, 17:24
Hey Chuck if you ever get up this way we will walk the grounds again like you did as a kid and we working there. It was a great place to work and really good people like your Grandfather back then had the place running great for Mr. Neuman When Mr. Neuman died Publicker and Kinsey died with him. Dave Z. Join The Swing To Kinsey

Thanks, Dave. You disappeared for a while. Check your Facebook messages.

dave ziegler
11-06-2013, 07:12
Well here are 2 pictures of the Plant taken by me back in 2011 2 yrs ago
1. The 1966 Bottling house in the winter, you could still see the Long dock area of the 2 Football fields long building.
2. Inside the old 1933 Kinesy Bottle house looking and tanks. The Building has now fallen down so much I can no longer go in there.
It is so sad to write about the terrible ending happening at Kinsey, I could never Have dreamed this would Happen!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
01-07-2014, 09:22
Well here are two Pictures I got from Butch awhile back, not sure if I posted them before.
1. The Docks at the Publicker Plant in Phila in 1956.
2. Philip Publicker the Brother of Harry Publicker founder of Publicker Industires, founded the American Distillery right next to Publicker in Phila. This is a Picture of that Plant before they moved out west, taken in 1954.

I hope in the next week or so for some better weather to go to Kinsey again there are rumors that someone might buy it and tear everything down. And I want to explore some more while I still can.
The Bottling House which in 1966 was state of art and the worlds Largest, is now in a complete state of ruin. I also want to get some pictures but I can't of the warehouses as Vandles have painted horrible stuff on them now. So glad I got them all years ago for this work of Love for the Old Place.
Dave Z
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Fangzilla
01-25-2014, 14:51
...there are rumors that someone might buy it and tear everything down...

Dave, what have you heard in that regard? Does there seem to be any truth to it?

dave ziegler
02-07-2014, 18:07
Fangzilla I don't think it will happen because the cost would be millions to tear each warehouse down, and even though they are all ruined by vandals I still love going there. Just took Joe Trish's daughter and sons there last Sunday before the storms. Joe was our Project engineer and he did amazing things in Phila and at Kinsey! Joe was a wonderful man and I was Thrilled to take his family around the plant.
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
03-03-2014, 16:52
Well here I am posting after a lot of terrible weather! Thankfully no more snow this week. I will have to wait till all the snow is gone to take a walk around Kinsey again, but once spring gets here I will. Last time there about 4 or 5 weeks ago I found some paper work the kid vandals had tossed around. Always looking for History Pieces. Last time there the buildings are really getting bad from water leaking everywhere in them. Hoping to got in with Butch once spring gets here before all the weeds take over. Fangzilla I have thankfully had power ever since that blackout. It was terrible sleeping in full dress with a coat on and no Lights except a fflashlight!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
05-17-2014, 16:16
Walked around Kinsey today for a bit and it makes me sick to see how bad it is now. Almost every building has weird painted writing from Vandles on them doors ripped off. And the walls are starting to fall apart. I first went back there around 2004 and it is ten years later and nothing but ruin. My guess is everything will sit till it falls. It is a good thing Mr Neuman never will see this!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
07-21-2014, 17:11
About two weeks ago I went into the Old 1966 Bottling house and it really got to me seeing the old girl in complete ruin! Water running in through the roof, mold everywhere and lots of damage by Vandle's. It is hard to find anything good anymore. Hard to believe that in 1966 People from all over the world came there to tour it. And when I left the company, Chucks Granfather was making the place really produce. I will always say if Si Neuman had not died it would still be operating. Mr. Neuman had a special way about him, he just knew how to grow things. In 1933 He took Publicker Industries from 13 employee's to 5,000 world wide in 1966!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
09-16-2014, 18:24
Sunday I got a chance to walk around Kinsey again! Looking at the 1966 Bottling House you could not see it for the tree's and over growth. It is so sad to see it the way it is, when I remember how beautiful it was when it opened in Sept 1966. I met some people from Penn University in Phila and showed them around. They were doing a story for Collage about the place. I told them about how is was back then. Those days there were good paying jobs and lots of hope for the future. I am very glad I was young then!
Dave Z
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dave ziegler
10-06-2014, 11:52
Here is something as rare as can be? I have the plate that Si Neuman had on the front of his Bentley Rolls! And here is a picture I just took of it outside my garage! This is one of many amazing things I got this weekend. I will be posting stuff on all 3 threads as fast as I can. Mr Neuman would come up during the week about once a month pak just down from the warehouses and walk into the 1966 Bottle house by himself many times,one time Ludy told me he walked up to him and asked how he was doing.
Dave Z
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