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spun_cookie
03-19-2008, 21:56
It comes with great sorrow that I pass on the news (rumor - but a great source) of the end of BT producing the 10yr Weller (Centennial). There are various reasons for this more (as I understand it), but one is the need for additional bourbon at 12-15 yrs.

Does anyone else know anything about the details? This has been one of my favorites... :(

jinenjo
03-19-2008, 22:17
At first I thought, "What's with the black lettering?" Then I realized, "Oh yeah. Mourning."

Where'd you hear the news?

spun_cookie
03-19-2008, 22:21
The black lettering was unintentional... I use word for spell check and I have SB.com with a white background not black... somehow changed it one night by mistake (I know how now), but I like it...

Heard this today from the Owner of Julio's. He was trying to get there next barrel of the Centennial and they said... it is no more...

barturtle
03-19-2008, 22:34
Use the "remove formatting" button to make it viewable in all SB.com themes.

You could also switch to Firefox 2 as it has built in spellcheck (IE might too, but FF works better for me)

TNbourbon
03-19-2008, 22:46
This is of a piece with the discontinuance of Old Charter 12yo "The Classic" and OC Proprietor's Reserve 13yo -- they have both supply problems, and can make more money, with younger, established bourbons they're trying to take national.
You can hardly blame BT, which is a business to make money (isn't that the definition of a 'business'?), even privately-held. They don't have enough bourbon to go around, however they configure it. So, they do away with brands/labels that can be transformed to others which may be earning more capital.
We don't have to like it -- I don't -- but I have no philosophical problem with it. My problem with it is purely selfish.

spun_cookie
03-19-2008, 22:51
I do not have any problem with BT's decision... It is in all or our best interest that the Bourbon distillers ensure that they are profitable and are able to supply what the market demands...

I have a diverse collection of bourbons, but in this case I may need to purchase a supply of these... at ~$25 a bottle, it is an affordable, great everyday bourbon ...

JamesW
03-20-2008, 07:50
Spun, heard you were at Julio's last night. As soon as I found out about the centennial (yesterday) I called Ryan and had 3 cases set aside for a buddy and me. He just picked them up so I feel a bit relieved that I'll have this magnificent wheated for a while to come. The stuff is good enough that I bet it'll be used in the higher priced offerings like William Larue Weller and for Julian's labels. Oh well, it was great while it lasted at those prices.

TBoner
03-20-2008, 14:05
Based on sales of Stagg, William Larue Weller, et al., I'm guessing most people don't have a personal problem with this. If we did, we'd quit buying the overpriced barrel proofers and extra-aged whiskey and allow more to go around for standard bottlings. Centennial may not have as much tradition behind it as Old Charter 12, but it's a sad thing, nonetheless. Fewer choices in the marketplace everyday (unless you enjoy paying $50-80/bottle)...

cowdery
03-20-2008, 14:51
Centennial was probably doomed the moment Diageo sold the Weller, Charter and Fitzgerald brands, while retaining Dickel and Harper. It was created for the Bourbon Heritage Collection (BHC), which effectively died when the components were split up among three different companies. BT continued Centennial, cut its price to bring it more in-line with the other Wellers, but it was always the odd bottle out. If the handwriting wasn't on the wall at the moment of the sale, it certainly was when BT introduced Weller 12, which they then upgraded with new packaging. All of that left Centennial more isolated and more likely to be discontinued.

Guinness was doing a number of things with its American whiskeys that effectively stopped when Diageo was formed, way before the big sell-off. It's hard to know what they were thinking, in terms of how the BHC expressions were supposed to knit with their respective brands. The BHC was inspired by the Classic Malts Collection, and although I don't follow scotch as closesly as I do American whiskey, it seems like everything they did with the Classic Malts brands subsequently flowed from the Classic Malts positioning, not from anything those brands were doing previously. Maybe they had something similar in mind for the BHC. It's impossible to know.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Antique goes too. It's just a high-proof version of Special Reserve, after all, and high proof is a supply pressure issue, just as age is.

I must say, considering what I've seen in this business over the past 30 years, the one thing I never expected to see was a bourbon shortage.

All of that said, lovers of Centennial should have ample opportunity to bunker up if they just can't live without it. Based on the experiences of our dusty hunters, it'll probably remain on store shelves for the next 20 years or so.

ILLfarmboy
03-20-2008, 15:10
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I wouldn't be too surprised if Antique goes too. It's just a high-proof version of Special Reserve, after all, and high proof is a supply pressure issue, just as age is.


Dear God........that hits close to home

TBoner
03-20-2008, 15:26
Chuck,

I'd be inclined to agree about finding the product 20 years from now if not for the fact that it seems we are all bunkering anything we hear is on the way out. For instance, I have 14 bottles of OC 12. And I'm not the only one. I haven't seen any in Dallas in some time (except dusty Louisville bottles). I think the quick dissemination of information on any discontinued bottlings coupled with the increased popularity of bunkering on sites like these (not too many references to it in threads from 3-4 years ago) means the bourbons that vanish from the market vanish from the shelves. In traditional dusty haunts, many of the bourbons we're talking about going away now were never on the shelves to begin with.

At any rate, I won't bunker much Weller Centennial, if any, but Weller Antique...that's a horse of a different color.

jburlowski
03-20-2008, 18:17
I believe this was confirmed some time ago... I've been bunkering every bottle I can find since this is my (largely for sentimental reasons than anything else) favorite BT Weller expression.

FWIW, our guide on a recent BT hard hat tour let it slip that OCPR was discontinued to free up stocks for the forthcoming "Cream of Kentucky".

gothbat
03-20-2008, 19:27
I don't buy it that often because it sits on the shelf at almost $35 next to the $19.50 Weller Antique but if money were no object I'd probably buy this one more often. The first bottle I had of this was the Frankfort bottling which I brought to my friends birthday party and I was wowed by it, very fruity with lots of cherry. Even everyone else, none of whom consider themselves bourbon drinkers, loved it; one even asked me to pick one up for him, which I did. I seldom drink bourbon with anyone so I'm glad I chanced it with this one and wound up with some really good bourbon to share. Although subsequent bottles were not nearly as sweet I think this one still ranks pretty high, I've never been disappointed by it. Definitely sad to see this one go. I hope Chuck is incorrect about the Antique although I wouldn't be surprised if he was right, it's too good of a deal despite the fact that it looks like I pay more than most for this one.

Slowpoke
03-21-2008, 12:36
I've really been enjoying this stuff as an almost-daily pour since I was introduced to it a few weeks ago. I was really sad to hear that it's being discontinued! At this price point, it's an incredible value.

Luckily, I've got 12 bottles of this bunkered so I can breath easy... for a while.

gblick
03-21-2008, 13:47
I wouldn't be too surprised if Antique goes too.
No!!!!! :cry:

jburlowski
03-21-2008, 18:51
Luckily, I've got 12 bottles of this bunkered so I can breath easy... for a while.

Come Armageddon, I'm going to your house.

JamesW
03-21-2008, 20:49
I've really been enjoying this stuff as an almost-daily pour since I was introduced to it a few weeks ago. I was really sad to hear that it's being discontinued! At this price point, it's an incredible value.

Luckily, I've got 12 bottles of this bunkered so I can breath easy... for a while.

That makes 24 between us! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

TNbourbon
03-21-2008, 21:35
I have two Louisville Centennials {thanks -- as is too often the case, from the commensurate value standpoint (all I've provided him with is some Hirsch 20, et al), Randy B.}, and 1.75L and 750ml gold-veined bottles of Weller Antique.
Tomorrow may well be a dedicated -- to seeking out Wellers -- day of bourbon 'hunting' in Middle Tennessee.

spun_cookie
03-21-2008, 23:23
That makes 24 between us! http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif


Now 36 and I am thinking we should make it 48 :grin:

JamesW
03-22-2008, 06:33
Now 36 and I am thinking we should make it 48 :grin:


My buddy Slowpoke has 12 himself so we're there http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif. I really should grab more!

Slowpoke
03-22-2008, 11:41
Come Armageddon, I'm going to your house.

I have no food or water bunkered, put plenty of delicious bourbon. We'll have one heck of an "end of times" party!


Now 36 and I am thinking we should make it 48 :grin:


Tomorrow may well be a dedicated -- to seeking out Wellers -- day of bourbon 'hunting' in Middle Tennessee.

I have a feeling this thread may soon become "Post how much Weller Centennial you have bunkered!" :lol:

havok66
03-22-2008, 11:41
My buddy Slowpoke has 12 himself so we're there http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif. I really should grab more!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!:grin:

JamesW
03-22-2008, 12:16
NO SOUP FOR YOU!!:grin:

I hope that doesn't mean you're already out of Centennial Ryan.... Armageddon so soon? :shocked:

OscarV
03-22-2008, 12:32
I have a feeling this thread may soon become "Post how much Weller Centennial you have bunkered!" :lol:[code]


I have 8, 5 Frankfort, 1 Louisville and 2 13yo's from Frankfort via Julio's Liquor.

spun_cookie
03-22-2008, 17:05
Finally got the onces from my buddy that he picked up from Julio's and ony two made it... the USPS crushed the box... only 1 of three was lost.. lucky I guess... :(

JamesW
03-22-2008, 22:14
Finally got the onces from my buddy that he picked up from Julio's and ony two made it... the USPS crushed the box... only 1 of three was lost.. lucky I guess... :(

Ouch! Hope it was insured!

Virus_Of_Life
03-22-2008, 22:14
OK, well, I went a little overboard. I got news that this Single Barrel done by a California retailer was Stitzel Weller, so I bought most of it. A very good Single Barrel. A few of the bottles are from the Old Charter PR Single Barrel they did, but most is Weller Centennial.

I am broke, but happy. :grin:

scratchline
03-22-2008, 22:45
That is one amazing haul, Christian!!! How much was he asking for a bottle?

-Mike

Sijan
03-22-2008, 23:08
OK, well, I went a little overboard. I got news that this Single Barrel done by a California retailer was Stitzel Weller, so I bought most of it. A very good Single Barrel. A few of the bottles are from the Old Charter PR Single Barrel they did, but most is Weller Centennial.

I am broke, but happy. :grin:

That should last you for a week or two...:grin:

JamesW
03-23-2008, 09:11
OK, well, I went a little overboard. I got news that this Single Barrel done by a California retailer was Stitzel Weller, so I bought most of it. A very good Single Barrel. A few of the bottles are from the Old Charter PR Single Barrel they did, but most is Weller Centennial.

I am broke, but happy. :grin:

I have some serious Bourbon Envy!!!http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

luv2hunt
03-23-2008, 16:03
OK, well, I went a little overboard. I got news that this Single Barrel done by a California retailer was Stitzel Weller, so I bought most of it. A very good Single Barrel. A few of the bottles are from the Old Charter PR Single Barrel they did, but most is Weller Centennial.

I am broke, but happy. :grin:

So is it SW? And most importantly....is it good?

Virus_Of_Life
03-23-2008, 16:30
So is it SW? And most importantly....is it good?

The GM/Spirits Buyer, Jason, contacted Bill Hart at Sazerac Company who he apparently arranged the purchase through, Bill in turn got the information from Kris Comstock that it was SW. It tasted like it to me and I put it up next to a L'ville labeled centennial and the noses are pretty much identical. I then put it up next to a pappy20 and it shows many similarities.

But most importantly, yes Dawn, it is very good in my humble opinion. I wouldn't have cleaned them out if it wasn't. :cool:

I should also point out that I didn't do this to hoard it, I fully intend to share, I just didn't want it going to any lurkers with all the talk of this being discontinued going on. Follow? So if anyone wants to swap and give it a try I'll be glad to spread it around.

TNbourbon
03-23-2008, 16:59
So, Christian, how many bottles did you get, exactly -- looks like either 32 or 38, at least? (I want to know just how early I need to put my order in to SB.com's new 'go-to' guy for Weller Centennial:lol: You'll regret that pocketbook hit soon enough:bigeyes:!)

spun_cookie
03-30-2008, 23:03
[quote=Virus_Of_Life;116055]But most importantly, yes Dawn, it is very good in my humble opinion. I wouldn't have cleaned them out if it wasn't. :cool: [quote]

I am looking forward to comparing it to the 13yr Julio’s version. I definitely want to hear your thoughts on the two.