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Huegeb
03-23-2008, 19:05
Hello all,


Nice to see so many people sharing a unique passion like bourbon. It's been a while since I lifted a glass of beer thanks to good ole' whiskey.
Change, in this case, was most certainly warranted since beer became such a monotonous, boring chore, especially those following the ancient purity laws. Katerina, my wife, was not happy to see me switch to the "hard stuff" but I told her no matter what you're drinking, moderation is the key.

All this time I thought it was only me that loved bourbon so much and wanted to read as much as I could about this all-natural product. Took me a while to wander up on this site, but when I did, I was surprised to see that there are people like me.

Much to the chagrin of my wife, I found both bourbon and this forum and now she must take a back seat the aforementioned. :grin:Nothing going to tear me away from this site, I say. Running around from store to store looking for some good bourbon has almost become an obsession but I think it's well worth it! Time keeps on slippin', didn't someone say that once? I'd better keep on doing what I love before times slips away from me too quickly. Nothing like having a passion for something. It's like having a hobby, it fills the day. Slowly I will try, though, to wean myself away from constant hunting of bourbon, but not altogether!

Is it me, or do others have this same problem that I do? Something tells me, based on what I've read here so far, I am not alone.

By the way, sorry for the rambling on, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. Ask me any question you like and I will gladly answer. Can't turn down any fellow bourbon lovers, that's for sure. Keep on keepin' on, as an american once said!!!!!

Happy to be here. And, can't wait to talk bourbon. Have a great day, all. Always!!!!


Gebhard Hueber

TNbourbon
03-23-2008, 19:14
Hard to tell what's available to you there, but my primary proviso would be to not discount lower-priced bourbon.
I believe there are many of us here that would proclaim that 'bad' bourbon is almost a contradiction in terms -- even the lowest-priced, standard bourbon (think Jim Beam 4yo, white-label; or Ten High, or Ancient Age -- it's not 'bad', just inferior to many other things available). Hard for us to say what's available.
A lot of lower-priced bourbons are quite acceptable -- especially for mixing -- but premium bourbons are instructive.

spun_cookie
03-23-2008, 19:23
Welcome.. you should have a good selection of WTs aroudn your area. Check some of the local web stores. I picked up a bottle of WT 1855 not to far from you... ebay also has some good bourbon in Europe for resonable price.

again welcome and I to have made the switch from bear/wine to bourbon. I was about 85/15 now it is 95/5 in favor of bourbon.

callmeox
03-23-2008, 19:24
Welcome to the site! I've found this to be a very friendly and helpful group of people for certain.

Of the brands and expressions that you have read about here, which have you tried and which have you seen on the shelves in Germany? Have you formed opinions on them?

CorvallisCracker
03-24-2008, 08:29
Willkommen!


...my primary proviso would be to not discount lower-priced bourbon.

Given the current exchange rate, they're probably all "lower-priced".

It would be interesting to hear what's available in Germany.

Sijan
03-24-2008, 08:46
Welcome! What brands of bourbon do you see in stores there? What do you have in your collection?

Personally, I'm a big fan of German beer as well - especially dunkels and doppelbocks. Whiskey and beer aren't mutually exclusive!

Huegeb
03-24-2008, 13:36
Welcome! What brands of bourbon do you see in stores there? What do you have in your collection?

Personally, I'm a big fan of German beer as well - especially dunkels and doppelbocks. Whiskey and beer aren't mutually exclusive!


Hello Sijan,

I have many bourbons in my collection currently. Many have been sent to me from friends throughout, others acquired by me locally and through travels. In my location we have been able to get Old Forrester, Old Grand Dad, Old Fitzgerald, Jim Beam, Bulleit, Four Roses, Weller and Wild Turkey products. There are others but can't think of it currently. Some of these I haven't seen in a while, though.

The selection is not too terrible. That has a bit to do with relying on neighboring countries. Fortunately, I do a fair bit of traveling throughout Central and Western Europe so I'm able to find many different bottles of bourbon.

Thank you for your inquiry, Sijan.


And thank you to everyone who has taken time to introduce themselves.

Kindest,

Geb

Tennessee Dave
03-24-2008, 18:03
Welcome aboard! You will enjoy it here!:cool:

Huegeb
03-24-2008, 18:04
Thank you again everyone so very much for replying.

I was curious to know when the bourbon festival is. Perhaps, I may someday make a trip. Maybe for the festival or for the Kentucky Derby. Are there always races at the track or is it just once a year that the horses run there?

Also, are there any other members here from Europe, specifically western or central Europe? If so, I would love very much to hear from any of you out here. Maybe on my travels we could meet for a drink.

Here is what currently resides in my bar:
Four Roses Single Barrel (empty, good)
Four Roses Barrel Strength 40th Anniversary (empty but exceptional)
Weller Special Reserve (just purchased)
Wild Turkey Tradition (150-200 mls left but excellent)
Wild Turkey Tribute (nearly gone but excellent)
Wild Turkey 12 year (very good)
Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit (good)
Old Grand Dad original (okay)
Bulleit (not good)
Old Fitzgerald 80 proofer (okay)
Vintage 17 (excellent)
Vintage Rye 23 (I believe it's the 23. I will check)


I would love to try Four Roses Small Batch which I haven't found yet and Wild Turkey American Spirit which I heard was very similar to Tribute. Any of the Van Winkles would be great and I'd pay a king's ransom but cannot find at the present. Read here about the Antique Collection but haven't seen one bottle of any.

Lovely chatting with everyone.

Kindest,

Geb

barturtle
03-24-2008, 19:03
I'm not sure how you would feel about mail ordering bottles, but a couple places in the UK and France, have quite nice selections of bottlings. Specifically The Whisky Exchange and La Maison du Whisky.

Churchill Downs has what are known as "meets" periods of time when there is racing.

Huegeb
03-25-2008, 07:02
I'm not sure how you would feel about mail ordering bottles, but a couple places in the UK and France, have quite nice selections of bottlings. Specifically The Whisky Exchange and La Maison du Whisky.

Churchill Downs has what are known as "meets" periods of time when there is racing.


I have seen the Whisky Exchange website but have yet to order anything from them. Maybe I will try to order a van winkle product from them if it is so noted on their website that it is among their inventory.

Churchill Downs. Thanks. I know that it is famous but I couldn't think of the name.

Geb

Huegeb
03-25-2008, 07:06
I came across a bottle of kentucky straight bourbon called Southern Charm today. It said it was bottled by the Southern Charm Distillery in Pennsylvania. I cannot reference the bottle currently for the town as I did not purchase it. It looked like an old bottle of sorts. When I asked the gentleman owner he said it had been in the store since his acquisition 10 years ago.

I thought it strange that Pennsylvania was the distillery location. Aren't all bourbon distilleries located in Kentucky?

Any help would be fondly appreciated.

Thank you.

Kindest,

Geb

mier
03-25-2008, 10:43
Hello Geb,welcome aboard,good to see another European joins in.Seems reading your posts the availability of bourbon in Germany is as bad as here.Sometimes you get lucky in getting a good bourbon,there are some nice adresses to get them and also the moneyrates are in our advantage nowadays so it is a matter of time the better stuff comes to Europe.I sincerly do hope so!
Greetings,
Eric.

Sijan
03-25-2008, 11:07
Geb,

No, not all bourbon has to be made in Kentucky. There have been bourbons made in Pennsylvania and Virginia, and possibly also in Ohio and Indiana. Perhaps in a few other states as well. I'm sure others on here will have more of those historical details.

But you're right in thinking that most of it originates in Kentucky. And it does have to be from Kentucky in order to be labeled "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey."

I am not familiar with Southern Charm bourbon or the "Southern Charm" distillery, although most distilleries listed on bottles are DBAs anyhow. It may be from the now-closed Michter's Distillery (http://www.ellenjaye.com/michters.htm).

Huegeb
03-25-2008, 16:11
Hello Geb,welcome aboard,good to see another European joins in.Seems reading your posts the availability of bourbon in Germany is as bad as here.Sometimes you get lucky in getting a good bourbon,there are some nice adresses to get them and also the moneyrates are in our advantage nowadays so it is a matter of time the better stuff comes to Europe.I sincerly do hope so!
Greetings,
Eric.


Thank you for the kind greeting, Eric. It's good too for me to see another European. Where are you located in the Netherlands. And of course you drink a lot of Heiniken.:lol:

I do travel to the Netherlands and perhaps next time I could stop off at a local shop for a drink of bourbon with you.

Kindest,

Geb

Huegeb
03-25-2008, 16:14
Geb,

No, not all bourbon has to be made in Kentucky. There have been bourbons made in Pennsylvania and Virginia, and possibly also in Ohio and Indiana. Perhaps in a few other states as well. I'm sure others on here will have more of those historical details.

But you're right in thinking that most of it originates in Kentucky. And it does have to be from Kentucky in order to be labeled "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey."

I am not familiar with Southern Charm bourbon or the "Southern Charm" distillery, although most distilleries listed on bottles are DBAs anyhow. It may be from the now-closed Michter's Distillery (http://www.ellenjaye.com/michters.htm).


My apologies. I may have only assumed the bottle said kentucky straight bourbon. I will check tomorrow.

Sijan
03-25-2008, 21:26
No need to apologize. I was just answering your question.

mier
03-26-2008, 01:28
Hey Geb,well i live 3 miles from the Heinekenbrewery next to Leiden(westcoast north of the Hague) and yes i drink it but only if there`s nothing else around:shocked: (i always make sure there is:lol:) i prefer anything but Heineken.Whenever you are near let me know we`re having a couple of good bourbons.Where are you based in Germany?Do you knew that there is a German distillery that is busy making a bourbontype whiskey?I thought the name is Brennerei Sigel,perhaps you`ve heard from them?
Greetings ,
Eric.

nor02lei
03-26-2008, 09:24
Thank you again everyone so very much for replying.

I was curious to know when the bourbon festival is. Perhaps, I may someday make a trip. Maybe for the festival or for the Kentucky Derby. Are there always races at the track or is it just once a year that the horses run there?

Also, are there any other members here from Europe, specifically western or central Europe? If so, I would love very much to hear from any of you out here. Maybe on my travels we could meet for a drink.

Here is what currently resides in my bar:
Four Roses Single Barrel (empty, good)
Four Roses Barrel Strength 40th Anniversary (empty but exceptional)
Weller Special Reserve (just purchased)
Wild Turkey Tradition (150-200 mls left but excellent)
Wild Turkey Tribute (nearly gone but excellent)
Wild Turkey 12 year (very good)
Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit (good)
Old Grand Dad original (okay)
Bulleit (not good)
Old Fitzgerald 80 proofer (okay)
Vintage 17 (excellent)
Vintage Rye 23 (I believe it's the 23. I will check)


I would love to try Four Roses Small Batch which I haven't found yet and Wild Turkey American Spirit which I heard was very similar to Tribute. Any of the Van Winkles would be great and I'd pay a king's ransom but cannot find at the present. Read here about the Antique Collection but haven't seen one bottle of any.

Lovely chatting with everyone.

Kindest,

Geb

Gebhard,

Nice to se a German member here on the forum. I know you have a lot of interest in bourbon in your country and your own forums. I do actually bay most of my bourbon from German online stores, auctions and E-bay. Sorry that you donít travel in the northern Europe.

Leif

Huegeb
03-26-2008, 11:51
Gebhard,

Nice to se a German member here on the forum. I know you have a lot of interest in bourbon in your country and your own forums. I do actually bay most of my bourbon from German online stores, auctions and E-bay. Sorry that you donít travel in the northern Europe.

Leif


Hello Leif,

Thank you for you reply. Nice to hear from a European. Sweden is very beautiful but not been in a long time. The last visit I was not so much a bourboner but then mainly a beer drinker so I did not frequent stores with bourbon on my mind. Is Sweden that bad on there bourbon brands? If that is the case, you may know that if you can not find what you are looking for I may.

Kindest,

Geb

WineGuy
03-26-2008, 14:20
Guten Tag!

If you come to the USA there are tours of the distilleries where the bourbon is made. You could fill up your luggage with bourbon and justify the expense of the airline ticket. :)

Jono
03-26-2008, 17:16
Wie Gehts, Guten Abend, meine neue Bourbon freund!

(2 years of high school German..and it is not pretty....I can count a bit and recall a few "dialogues" we used to practice :) )

Tangent....my father used to drink beer from:

" Joseph Huber Brewing Co " out of Monroe, Wisconsin....

So, even with the slightly different name spelling, maybe some remote cousins came over and started brewing beer!

What would Germany consider its native liqour...Schnapps?

PFC
03-27-2008, 03:27
Hi Gebhard!

No need to travel out of Germany in order to get great bourbon. The Swedish assortment is disastrous so I regularly order from a couple of excellent stores in Germany. They usually have most of the Antique Collection (at a cost of course...) as well as the van Winkle family and many other bottling not easily found in regular stores. If you don't feel confident with on-line ordering, they all have "real" stores as well. If you live in the vicinity a trip could pay off...

http://www.big-market.de/
http://www.macha-weine.de/
http://www.thewhiskystore.de/

/Mats

Huegeb
03-27-2008, 04:53
Hi Gebhard!

No need to travel out of Germany in order to get great bourbon. The Swedish assortment is disastrous so I regularly order from a couple of excellent stores in Germany. They usually have most of the Antique Collection (at a cost of course...) as well as the van Winkle family and many other bottling not easily found in regular stores. If you don't feel confident with on-line ordering, they all have "real" stores as well. If you live in the vicinity a trip could pay off...

http://www.big-market.de/
http://www.macha-weine.de/
http://www.thewhiskystore.de/

/Mats


Many thanks, PFC. I have been to two of the three and in fact, most purchases have been at Macha. Though I have never ordered online. Another person here has mentioned to do the same thing. I have not found Van Winkle products in either stores but I did not check on ordering online. Course I only just learned of Van Winkle on this site so only just now started looking.

Where are you located, in Deutschland as well? I am close by to Berlin just outside.

Kindest,

Geb






And guten Tag to you Wineguy and Jono. Though it's most likely Morgen for you both in America. Great to hear from you both and love your thoughtful German response! Thank you!

Geb

PFC
03-27-2008, 06:07
Ok, then you know your way around... :)
As a matter of fact I'm living in Stockholm, Sweden, but as it happens I visited Berlin just a couple of weeks ago. My bourbon hunting took me out to Big Market (not really in the central parts though...) where I found some nice additions to my bourbon cabinet.

I noticed that they had Pappy van Vinkle 20, George T Stagg and Eagle Rare 17 (I grabbed a lonely 2001 bottling). They also had a couple of Boone's Knoll 16 Y bottles at 80 Euros a piece. On this forum Julian van Winkle has confirmed that this is an early bottling of the Hirsch 16 for the German Market. This should make it similar to the early blue or gold wax versions (I mention this since many have been let down by the gold foil version).


/Mats

Huegeb
03-27-2008, 08:39
Ok, then you know your way around... :)
As a matter of fact I'm living in Stockholm, Sweden, but as it happens I visited Berlin just a couple of weeks ago. My bourbon hunting took me out to Big Market (not really in the central parts though...) where I found some nice additions to my bourbon cabinet.

I noticed that they had Pappy van Vinkle 20, George T Stagg and Eagle Rare 17 (I grabbed a lonely 2001 bottling). They also had a couple of Boone's Knoll 16 Y bottles at 80 Euros a piece. On this forum Julian van Winkle has confirmed that this is an early bottling of the Hirsch 16 for the German Market. This should make it similar to the early blue or gold wax versions (I mention this since many have been let down by the gold foil version).


/Mats


Mats, thank you so much for the information especially on the Hirsch. I read many good things about this bourbon. I shall go there tomorrow to see if any other bottles of the Boone are there. Do you recall how many were left at the time you visited?

Thank you again.

Kindest,

Geb

PFC
03-27-2008, 08:56
I think I saw 3 or 4 bottles. The have probably been collecting dust for quite some time so the odds are on you side. Good luck!

/Mats

Mashface
03-30-2008, 12:39
Time keeps on slippin', didn't someone say that once?

Yeah Geb, Steve Miller did in "Fly Like An Eagle".

Nice to meet you and welcome to the board!

nor02lei
03-31-2008, 12:08
Hi Gebhard!

No need to travel out of Germany in order to get great bourbon. The Swedish assortment is disastrous so I regularly order from a couple of excellent stores in Germany. They usually have most of the Antique Collection (at a cost of course...) as well as the van Winkle family and many other bottling not easily found in regular stores. If you don't feel confident with on-line ordering, they all have "real" stores as well. If you live in the vicinity a trip could pay off...

http://www.big-market.de/
http://www.macha-weine.de/
http://www.thewhiskystore.de/

/Mats

Mats,

Interesting to se that you have ordered from the whisky store. They have not wanted to ship to Sweden in several years, but I have not tried to pervade them for 1 or 2 years now so I guess now I the time.

Leif

Huegeb
03-31-2008, 13:58
Yeah Geb, Steve Miller did in "Fly Like An Eagle".

Nice to meet you and welcome to the board!


Thank you Mashface. It is fun to be here to share a passion for bourbon.

Kindest,

Geb

PFC
04-01-2008, 00:52
Mats,

Interesting to se that you have ordered from the whisky store. They have not wanted to ship to Sweden in several years, but I have not tried to pervade them for 1 or 2 years now so I guess now I the time.

Leif

Hi Leif, you're absolutely right, they don't ship to Sweden anymore (i think they claimed that it was due to high shippingcosts). My last order was about 2 years ago. But since Huegeb resides in Germany I thought I should recommend thewhiskystore anyway.

/Mats