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dave ziegler
04-29-2008, 17:33
I remember well the good old days when Whiskey and Bourbon were king at the state stores in Pa. All the Continental brands were there and there was very little wine. Those were the good days for pa. Now almost 3/4 of the stores are nothing but Wine and if there is something you really want a special Bourbon forget it if they can't buy it cheap and on their list you are doomed! The stores then were small but full of Great Whiskey's. I remember many a Friday after work driving to the old State store in Pottstown and getting some Old Hickory and some Rittenhouse Rye. I just am not much for wine and I guess I'm just to old fashion but I think back to those good old days and wish we had stores like they do in other states. You will never find anything old in a Pa state store and the Whiskeys are few and slim! I asked the one worker about getting me Rittenhouse rye and he said No one wants rye! so much for the modern days. I am as I write enjoying a shot of Old Hickory from the bottle Kurt gave me and it is as good as it always was in the old days. You are all very Lucky to be able to buy from private Liquor stores The Pa system is something that to me is terrible. I would like to hear about Liquor stores in other states the good and the bad.
Dave Z

Jazzhead
04-29-2008, 18:08
As you know, Dave, I just moved to Pennsy from Jersey and the State Store system is one of the few things I don't like about my new home. There's just no room for innovation, for the individual store to cater to its customers. I'm not that far from Jersey, of course, so that is where I go to buy booze. Once in a great while they run sales in Pennsy that are too compelling to ignore. Like Wild Turkey Rye 101 for $15.95. They've had good specials on Lagavulin, too.

Another good place to shop is the Maryland/Delaware state line. I found the high-zoot Dickel there I'd never found in Jersey. But the liquor business in Jersey still seems about the best. Who knows what you'll find in a Jersey liquor store? Maybe an 20-year old bottle of Old Hickory! :)

- Kurt

callmeox
04-29-2008, 19:42
Just be careful if you shop across the border. There was an article from the Philly paper posted here recently regarding PA being po'd about people bringing in stuff from out of state. They do patrol some of the out of state stores now and then and will bust folks when they cross back over into the state. One of the state legislators was quoted as saying that they had a monopoly and didn't like people going around it.

We have the same kind of system in Ohio but without the nice website that allows you to search for inventory online. I read that the sales of liquor in Ohio generated about $350,000,000 in profits last year, so there's little incentive for the state to change the system.

snakster
04-29-2008, 20:00
Very true Dave. If you want vodka or tequila, then the world is your oyster. Scotch is decent selection. Bourbon? Rye??? Thin and getting thinner.

And you actually have a decent store near you in Collegeville. But even that place has an embarrassing bourbon selection. (Though I did pick up a bottle of Bruichladdich XVII on clearance there.)

The way they keep closing items out, it will be painful to see what our selection will be in two years.

dave ziegler
04-30-2008, 02:25
Boy Ron are you ever right about the Close outs. They used to have Old Overholt then the close out came and it will never return. When they did I quick got a couple of Bottles but they just keep getting more Wine and less Bourbon and very Little Rye! The Collegeville store is a nice store but Bourbon is few and far between!
Dave

dave ziegler
04-30-2008, 03:31
Hey Kurt The State Stores sure do not make you happy when you move Here! If you ever Find another group of Old Hickory in NJ grab me some will gladly Pay to get some more. Had a Shot last Night and a toast to you for giving it to me. No matter What Kind of Bourbon I have it seems Old Hickory always just seems to be my Favorite. Guess working for them made my Taste Buds Like it more! But for what it cost back then it was quality Stuff which you know from testing it yourself! Did you see that Mr B. Neuman the grandson Of Si Neuman Publicker Chairman back then wrote me a note he liked what I have done to keep the History of Publicker Industries alive. Joined just to send me a note That was a thrill for me when I opened my Memories spot and saw the Name there. Hope all is well with you. Did you ever get any Reading Beer? I had one with my Old Hickory Last night!
Dave

Chupacabras
04-30-2008, 07:25
There's a reason for those two Roger Wilco's on 73 just before the Tacony.

boss302
04-30-2008, 11:03
You certainly hit the nail right on the head. I am lucky enough to live just a mile away from the "Premium" state store in Hummelstown, and just a 20 minute drive away from the one on Jonestown Road near Harrisburg. Those two stores at least carry a few things I might like.

It is absolutely sickening to see an entire frickin' WALL of NOTHING BUT VODKA, where continental whiskeys get maybe 6 feet of space, with the scotches getting maybe 9 feet of space. You'd think that the scotch selection would be decent, but, as a scotch drinker, I have to tell you that you'd be wrong. There are so many excellent scotch whiskies that I have never seen in a state store at any time.

As for continental whiskies, the thin, watery Canadian junk has more space allocated for it than American whiskies. Oh sure, there's a lot of Jack Daniel's. But the state didn't even bother to order ANY of the Sazerac Antique Collection this year. So, if anybody asks me how the 2007 THH or WLW taste, I would have to tell them I haven't the foggiest idea.

A privatized liquor store, run by someone in the know, in PA would easily trounce the state stores. I'm pretty sure that Fast Eddie and the rest of the PA state government realize this.

BourbonJoe
04-30-2008, 11:41
I'm pretty sure that Fast Eddie and the rest of the PA state government realize this.

You betcha. :hot: No relief in sight. :hot: :hot:
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
04-30-2008, 16:08
You certainly hit the nail right on the head. I am lucky enough to live just a mile away from the "Premium" state store in Hummelstown, and just a 20 minute drive away from the one on Jonestown Road near Harrisburg. Those two stores at least carry a few things I might like.

It is absolutely sickening to see an entire frickin' WALL of NOTHING BUT VODKA, where continental whiskeys get maybe 6 feet of space, with the scotches getting maybe 9 feet of space. You'd think that the scotch selection would be decent, but, as a scotch drinker, I have to tell you that you'd be wrong. There are so many excellent scotch whiskies that I have never seen in a state store at any time.

As for continental whiskies, the thin, watery Canadian junk has more space allocated for it than American whiskies. Oh sure, there's a lot of Jack Daniel's. But the state didn't even bother to order ANY of the Sazerac Antique Collection this year. So, if anybody asks me how the 2007 THH or WLW taste, I would have to tell them I haven't the foggiest idea.

A privatized liquor store, run by someone in the know, in PA would easily trounce the state stores. I'm pretty sure that Fast Eddie and the rest of the PA state government realize this.

They have not had Pinwinnie Scotch since the days when Continental Distilling had import rights the last year 1979. You ask the guy he says what is Pinwinnie! And if you love Rye Whiskey as I do forget it, they keep discontinuing it only Bean left! And as far as special order lots of luck either they don't have it on their list or they say they can't get it right now what a joke it is Wine World. Fast Eddie and the boys must be getting a wine kick back or something!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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boss302
04-30-2008, 16:15
They have not had Pinwinnie Scotch since the days when Continental Distilling had import rights the last year 1979. You ask the guy he says what is Pinwinnie! And if you love Rye Whiskey as I do forget it, they keep discontinuing it only Bean left! And as far as special order lots of luck either they don't have it on their list or they say they can't get it right now what a joke it is Wine World. Fast Eddie and the boys must be getting a wine kick back or something!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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Well, Dave, I think it is becoming an unfortunate sign of the times. Individualism and the love of freedom-- two traits common to whiskey drinkers-- are falling by the wayside.

You can special order something-- you just have to order 12 of them (a whole case)! Needless to say, going this route for $50 per bottle spirits really doesn't suit my budget...

dave ziegler
05-01-2008, 11:33
Well, Dave, I think it is becoming an unfortunate sign of the times. Individualism and the love of freedom-- two traits common to whiskey drinkers-- are falling by the wayside.

You can special order something-- you just have to order 12 of them (a whole case)! Needless to say, going this route for $50 per bottle spirits really doesn't suit my budget...
Back in the old days there was a Ford Boss 302 in Pottstown stock that nothing on the street could beat it was one fast Ford! It figuers that they would do it that way no such things as a customer in the Pa State stores, we Owe them that we Can buy from them that is the way most of them Act! So if you want something not on the list you have to buy a case. Boy Fast Eddie and the Gang really care!
BE WELL
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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BourbonJoe
05-01-2008, 12:07
Well, in adition to everything else, now they're getting rid of Old Forester.
I give up.
Joe :usflag:

ThomasH
05-01-2008, 12:07
In Ohio, the liquor nazis struck again today. Blantons is up another 2.00 a bottle this month. I guess last month's 2.00 increase wasn't enough. Bulleit also went up 2.05 this month as did JD black half gallons. Again, in the case of the JD black, the 2.00 they raised it a month or so ago must not have filled someones pockets full enough!

Thomas

dave ziegler
05-01-2008, 12:40
Joe I guess they want the room for More Wine this is getting unbelievable They should just call them Fast Eddies Fast Wine Shops. I guess I better get some Old Grand Dad before they decide to get rid of it as I see it is on sale. Pa State Stores The Very Worse of All!! Their Moto should be we are for US!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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snakster
05-04-2008, 07:16
Pretty soon it will be akin to the Henry Ford quote about the Model T, "you can get it in any color you want, as long as it's black".

In PA it will be, "you can buy any bourbon you want, as long as it's Jim Beam".

They continue to whittle down the selection yet have the gall to threaten people who dare to get spirits from neighboring states.

dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 08:54
I can see the slogon now "Fast Eddies Wine stores with just a touch of Whiskey we will wine you to death" Don't ever think because it is on the special order List and you give them money to get it that you will get it for sure I gave them money about middle of last year to get me Rittenhouse BIB it was on the list well 7 weeks later I get a call to come get my money back becuase they don't Make it anymore what a joke I got some from Binney's, boy good thing The state store watchful eyes did not know!
Dave
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jaysus
05-07-2008, 10:10
You certainly hit the nail right on the head. I am lucky enough to live just a mile away from the "Premium" state store in Hummelstown, and just a 20 minute drive away from the one on Jonestown Road near Harrisburg. Those two stores at least carry a few things I might like.


Is the Jonestown road store the best one in the general area? I think there is another premium store nearby as well (Lemoyne??)- would they have the same stuff?

dave ziegler
05-07-2008, 11:22
Hi Go on the web type in PLCB click on left side Consumers then next Catolog then pick what you want if they have it then click on the product code and go to the bottom and use the slider to go to the county you live in if they have it the stores will come up and that way you can find them near you and if they have what is on the List! By the way as Joe had said they are closing out Old Forester now so if one you like you can find if stores near you have any.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jaysus
05-07-2008, 13:36
thanks Dave - that is neat!

dave ziegler
05-08-2008, 15:28
Well, in adition to everything else, now they're getting rid of Old Forester.
I give up.
Joe :usflag:
How right you were Joe I Just went in my Local one and got the last Bottle they have. Will check the web to see if there are any more near me. I asked the guy what are they trying to do he shook his head and siad he can't understnd it either, as he likes it too! Guess they don't have enough Wine to suit Fast Eddie! They soon will have nothing but Beam & Wine which they can keep! Thanks for letting us know.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jaysus
05-09-2008, 08:33
I've never had Old Forrester before; it seems to be quite moderately priced, is that because of the closeout, or is OF typically considered to be a bargin?

dave ziegler
05-09-2008, 18:47
It is a reduced Price as once they close it out It will never return to Pa. Just another way to make more room for Wine as they make lots of Money on this Wine thing People are Having. Old Forester 86 Proof is really good no bargan Bourbon great flavor has alot of Rye in its mix if the store near you has some give it a try while you can get it. Very Smooth Pour! And it is in a Glass 1.75 Litter not Plastic like so many. I think it sold for around $32. not sure. It will be missed by me and many others.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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mozilla
05-11-2008, 09:01
How are the stores in neighboring states? Are there any states that have better supplies of labels to choose from?

If I wanted to travel to another state from Austin....I think the next closest state is....Oklahoma....at about 5 hours. Next, is Louisanna at about 7 hours. I think Mexico is next?!? So....it could be worse.

PAspirit1
05-11-2008, 18:06
I can't blame PA for the layouts of the stores. I gather wine is the big money maker and vodka has a big following. What seems to be the problem is the uniformity. ETL, for example, will no longer be avaliable anywhere in the state and if I go to Delaware and buy it, I am breaking a minor law. Thats crazy.

cowdery
05-11-2008, 18:36
Anyone who favors things such as, or I don't know, government-run health care needs to experience control state liquor stores. Whatever else you can say about anything run by the government, you can always say this: whatever master it is they serve, it is not the consumer.

Re Old Forester, very good, very authentic bourbon, a very old brand, and the only one still owned by the company that started it. Also a good value, even at regular price, but even better on deal.

Tricky
05-11-2008, 18:51
The decline started soon after Jonathan Newman resigned as the chairman of the PA LCB. He had introduced "Chairmans Selection", sunday hours, wine tasting, coolerated rooms and he was also instrumental in bringing outlets to grocery stores. I spoke with a store manager today (as I bought the last 4 bottles of ETL) and he said it was generally felt that the Chairmans Selection effort was too costly and they wanted to rationalise the product lines. The focus is now on faster moving product and the niche products like single barrel bourbons did not fit the new profile. They are basically trying to pay for the overhauling of their retail infrastructure .. I read that up to 30% of the fine wine selections have now been cut, and numerous bourbons along with them : ETL, ERSB 1.75l, Rock Hill Farms, OGD 375ml, Wild Turkey Jimmy Russell. Interestingly enough, Newman's new job in the private sector is pretty much doing the same thing in the surrounding states .. so I know where I will shopping in the future ;-)

PAspirit1
05-12-2008, 18:00
The decline started soon after Jonathan Newman resigned as the chairman of the PA LCB. He had introduced "Chairmans Selection", sunday hours, wine tasting, coolerated rooms and he was also instrumental in bringing outlets to grocery stores. I spoke with a store manager today (as I bought the last 4 bottles of ETL) and he said it was generally felt that the Chairmans Selection effort was too costly and they wanted to rationalise the product lines. The focus is now on faster moving product and the niche products like single barrel bourbons did not fit the new profile. They are basically trying to pay for the overhauling of their retail infrastructure .. I read that up to 30% of the fine wine selections have now been cut, and numerous bourbons along with them : ETL, ERSB 1.75l, Rock Hill Farms, OGD 375ml, Wild Turkey Jimmy Russell. Interestingly enough, Newman's new job in the private sector is pretty much doing the same thing in the surrounding states .. so I know where I will shopping in the future ;-)

I've loosely followed that situation. I read that a higher position than his was created and that this was a defacto demotion for him. The are some hints and rumors that Newman was the passionate wine and spirits guy who lost out to a guy who was installed for insider political reasons.

Tricky
05-12-2008, 19:56
I've loosely followed that situation. I read that a higher position than his was created and that this was a defacto demotion for him. The are some hints and rumors that Newman was the passionate wine and spirits guy who lost out to a guy who was installed for insider political reasons.

That's pretty much it .. Joe Conti was the guy who was brought in as CEO to run the agency, and it was the "process" more than anything that Newman objected to. Plus the fact that Conti was to handle the day to day running and that left Newman with only the policy and regulatory issues to deal with .. effectively divorcing him from his brainchild of the Chairmans Select program. It remains to be seen how this will effect bourbon choices in the long term but it has not bode well in the last 16 months or so since Newman's departure.

Jaysus
05-15-2008, 07:26
lol - I found this to be somewhat timely...


http://noplcb.blogspot.com/


Why The PLCB Should Be Abolished


One person's reasons why the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board should be abolished, and the Pennsylvania Liquor Code completely overhauled and rewritten, to reflect the 70-odd years of change since Repeal.






Some of you may know Lew from his beer writing adventures... I actually kinda "blame" him for getting me into bourbon in the first place.

GB Lew!

Jaysus
05-19-2008, 16:33
It is a reduced Price as once they close it out It will never return to Pa. Just another way to make more room for Wine as they make lots of Money on this Wine thing People are Having. Old Forester 86 Proof is really good no bargan Bourbon great flavor has alot of Rye in its mix if the store near you has some give it a try while you can get it. Very Smooth Pour! And it is in a Glass 1.75 Litter not Plastic like so many. I think it sold for around $32. not sure. It will be missed by me and many others.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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In the middle of my first pour of Old Forester this very moment... big fan so far - thanks to all for the heads up!

dave ziegler
05-28-2008, 09:45
Well looking on the PLCB site I see that almost all the Old Forester is gone now. I guess they just want a little more space for Wine. I don't know why they just do not rename the Stores Fast Eddies Wine stores. At the rate they keep getting rid of stuff all they will have soon is Wine a Jim Beam which I do not and will not drink! All the modern stuff they have and they can't have some quality Bourbons and Rye's? There must be allot of Heavy drinking wine people out there. It just makes me mad but this is what you get when the State runs things they tell you what you want,no such thing as allot to choose from.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
05-29-2008, 16:16
Oh the Joy of dealing with a Pa state store? On Saturday I bought a freind a bottle of Old Forester since he had not found any and it is closout! Bought it at Morgantown Pa for the sale price of $28.61 with tax. Called him yesterday and he was passing anothet state store so he told me I will try to get another since you said it is so good. Well he called me right back to tell me now it is $16.99 on Sale. So I did not want to stick him so I called the Pa Consumers help and care line? Well the Lady told me just take it to your nearest store since where I bought it is 24 miles away. Well I called the local store first with the price of Gas and they said no problem so I took it to the store near me and when I took it in I said I want either a refund or a price reduction as I love the stuff. Well He said go get another I will scan this one then ring another. I came back told him they must have sold their Last one well he said to bad I can not give you a refund I will look for another place you can drive. I said forget it and went home and looked myself. The store about 6 mile from me had some so I went there wasting more gas. I went in he said you know what I can refund your money but I can't sell you one for that price as they never told us it was reduced more even though when I ring you a refund it says so. So I had to take a refund and now if I want some at that price I have to check the store to see if they were given the ok for that price. then to top it off I had to give him my license number phone and address and then to top it off I left to find out 2 miles down the road when he gave me my Lisence back he did not give me my Credit card which he put the refund on. What a Joy to shop the Pa State stores with such friendly helpful People!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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mozilla
05-29-2008, 16:43
That's horrible Dave!

Sounds like you should just move to Texas. We wouldn't even treat a Yankee like that. You have my sympathy.....maybe your Congressman should get a copy of your email.

BourbonJoe
05-31-2008, 18:47
Well Dave, Alabama is not much better. Was just down there for 10 days and the selection in the ABC stores is woeful (not as woeful as PA though). They did have lots of Dickel, Old Forester and Old Charter unlike PA.
Joe :usflag:

barturtle
05-31-2008, 19:04
That's horrible Dave!

Sounds like you should just move to Texas. We wouldn't even treat a Yankee like that. You have my sympathy.....maybe your Congressman should get a copy of your email.


While that movin' to Texas thing sounds good, on the way through you pass up the place that he should be...Kentucky...where else can you travel from Boston to Versailles to Paris to Frankfort to Orkney to Arkansas to Anchorage to Cambridge all without crossing state lines?:lol:

Jaysus
06-11-2008, 11:56
Oh-son-of-a-crap!

What happened to Elijah Craig 12YO?

the lcb catalog lists it as SLO now?!?!

dave ziegler
06-11-2008, 12:08
Hate to tell you this but that means you have to prepay half of the price they order it and if they get it call you to pick it up or to tell you to come get a refund. They had Rittenhouse rye on SLO early last year I ordered it waited a 4 weeks then got a call come get your refund it can't be gotten here anymore. So I got it at Binny's. But the Old Forester is one great pour hope you got a couple of Bottles as it went down to $16.49 on close out!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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AVB
06-11-2008, 19:43
The EC 12 was discontinued in the 750ml size over a year ago and is only available by SLO in case lots. However, the EC 12 in the 1.75L bottle is available and is, in fact, on sale at the moment for $29.99. There are 6 in my local store. Used to be 8 but 2 are now mine :)

mozilla
06-11-2008, 20:09
The EC 12 was discontinued in the 750ml size over a year ago and is only available by SLO in case lots. However, the EC 12 in the 1.75L bottle is available and is, in fact, on sale at the moment for $29.99. There are 6 in my local store. Used to be 8 but 2 are now mine :)

That's not a bad price for a handle of 12 yr old bourbon.

Too bad there is not an insider that could hook y'all up with some help. Seems like someone should be able to order some good brands, or is Pa. some sort of monopoly that restricts it's constituents brand choice, unfairly?:hot:

mobourbon
06-11-2008, 20:26
I'm the manager of a PA liquor store. Every time I see a bourbon closed out, I tear more of my hair out! Many items, including wines, were closed out because the profit margin wasn't high enough. It doesn't matter what people want. I've seen many good selling bourbons closed out.
Bakers is 1/4 of the Beam Small Batch Collection. But it was closed out. How could PA break up a set? They don't care. But then you can get these items Special Liquor Order from the vendors at a higher price, plus shipping charges. I think they are keeping thw wine buyers happy. Wine sales are higher than bourbon sales.


However, Buffalo Trace, at $19.99 for a 750ml is quite a deal! That's one fine bourbon!

mozilla
06-12-2008, 06:49
Hey Fred,

Looks like you could have the most popular store in the state, if you could order some different bourbons for the group. Are there alot of restrictions for ordering bourbon and rye for your store?

Jaysus
06-12-2008, 07:39
That's not a bad price for a handle of 12 yr old bourbon.

Too bad there is not an insider that could hook y'all up with some help. Seems like someone should be able to order some good brands, or is Pa. some sort of monopoly that restricts it's constituents brand choice, unfairly?:hot:

Pennsylavania is a monopoly that unfairly restricts it's constituents brand choice.

Take a quick look here for some additional info: http://noplcb.blogspot.com/

mozilla
06-12-2008, 08:07
Pennsylavania is a monopoly that unfairly restricts it's constituents brand choice.

Take a quick look here for some additional info: http://noplcb.blogspot.com/


Thanks for the heads up! I'll dig deeper into that site this evening.

I still think if everyone got together and shopped at one store, you could probably get some good "special order" only labels. Maybe Mobourbon would be willing to make orders and then split the cases up to everyone, over time. I would think there is enough purchasing power to warrent some service. It might increase the miles that shoppers will have to traverse, but to get access to these bottles might offset the aggrevation. Or, your just left with buying mail order.

Jaysus
06-12-2008, 08:46
Or, your just left with buying mail order.

lol - not in PA... that's illegal here too.

dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 11:25
The worse part is that Fortune Brands parent Company Of Jim Beam Like calling it "BEAN" manages the PLCB stores shelf inventory No wonder we get stuck with so Much BEAN!
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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dave ziegler
06-12-2008, 11:27
I'm the manager of a PA liquor store. Every time I see a bourbon closed out, I tear more of my hair out! Many items, including wines, were closed out because the profit margin wasn't high enough. It doesn't matter what people want. I've seen many good selling bourbons closed out.
Bakers is 1/4 of the Beam Small Batch Collection. But it was closed out. How could PA break up a set? They don't care. But then you can get these items Special Liquor Order from the vendors at a higher price, plus shipping charges. I think they are keeping thw wine buyers happy. Wine sales are higher than bourbon sales.


However, Buffalo Trace, at $19.99 for a 750ml is quite a deal! That's one fine bourbon!
Fred thanks for the info will talk to you one of these days I know right where your new store is now!
Dave Z
Old Hickory Ameica's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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mobourbon
06-12-2008, 13:53
Hey Fred,

Looks like you could have the most popular store in the state, if you could order some different bourbons for the group. Are there alot of restrictions for ordering bourbon and rye for your store?




Sorry, Jeff, I'm very limited to what I can order. Some bourbons are designated as "Limited Dist." I cannot order those items. The Buffalo Trace I carry is transferred in from a 'Chairman Select Store". Only those stores can order "L" items. I cannot order specialty codes, either. I can only order regularly stocked items. That goes for Ryes also. But my bourbon section is as complete as I can make it. And I had to build up the bourbon section myself.

mobourbon
06-12-2008, 13:58
Thanks for the heads up! I'll dig deeper into that site this evening.

I still think if everyone got together and shopped at one store, you could probably get some good "special order" only labels. Maybe Mobourbon would be willing to make orders and then split the cases up to everyone, over time. Or, your just left with buying mail order.


That can be done. A 50% deposit is needed to order SLO. Many bourbons not carried can be ordered that way.

mobourbon
06-12-2008, 14:03
lol - not in PA... that's illegal here too.


Binny's in Chicago will ship to PA. Shipping to PA is legal, at least at this time. The courts issued a temporary injunction against PA's policy against direct shipping. As far as I know, it has never been resolved and the injunction is still in place.

mozilla
06-12-2008, 14:10
Well, trying to get a real sellection of bourbon in a state like Pa. is like banging your head against a wall.

Maybe it is time for a class action lawsuit against the state. Curtailing freedom of choice in a free market system, sounds like some anti-trust laws should be able to be applied. Could some of the lawyers on the board suggest some avenues? I will be the first to admit that the law is not my strong suit. Maybe just the threat of a lawsuit could jar the door back open.

Just doesn't seem right that they(big brother) won't give you a choice....and then makes you a criminal to exercise your right to choose, by going to another state.

BourbonJoe
06-12-2008, 14:40
Past Governor Thornberg tried to abolish the PALCB with no luck. The PALCB's union proved to be more powerful than he on this matter. So much for the "good" that unions provide to the public.
Joe :usflag:

dave ziegler
06-16-2008, 08:26
How right you are Joe Then Gov Thornberg did his best to get us into the next century with Spirits but Fast Eddie just wants to put Wine down us. It is sickening when you walk in and all you see except one little Corner is Wine. Fast Eddie must have some french in Him, or he is maybe a Wino! I think back in old days you had so many Bourbons, Blended's, and Scotchs. Now you take the best you can find out of little or none.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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Jaysus
06-16-2008, 09:58
the Old Forester is one great pour hope you got a couple of Bottles as it went down to $16.49 on close out!
Dave Z


I picked up the last two bottles at the shop near my office on Friday.

dave ziegler
06-16-2008, 12:53
What the Bourbon Drinkers Of Pa should do is get bus loads of People demanding more Bourbon Less Wine! This State makes you feel like you are not of any importance if you drink Whiskey. Glad you got the last of the Old Forester I also went and got the last Bottle around here.
Dave Z
Old Hickory America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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ThomasH
06-16-2008, 13:12
If you want any bourbon that is a SLO, call the toll free number on the PALCB website and when you order the item, you can designate which store you want to pick it up at. I have picked up all ordered items at a store that is not a superstore. When they have to deal with the actual person buying the product, they tend to be much more attentive to details!

Thomas

mozilla
07-24-2008, 12:29
Talked with a very helpful fellow at the PLCB, today. He would like to hear from everyone who is interested in bourbon and rye.

First, figure out which brand y'all are interested in him obtaining. And don't say any 80 proofers. WT rye and OO rye are coming soon, so don't suggest them either. Whatever you choose, it sounds like y'all better put your money where your mouth is.....or they will end up getting rid of it as well.
I suggested to him some Bib's from Barton and HH, since they are easy to acquire in most states. If y'all have a brand in mind and a few comments on your overall purchasing list...maybe they can tailor their list a bit. Make sure you tell them what proof and price you like your bottles to be...also what size and whether you prefer glass bottles to plastic. I don't think they have a real clue as to what real bourbon drinkers want.

Their email is RA-LBconsumer@state.pa.us (RA-LBconsumer@state.pa.us)

Please address your concerns to the SPIRITS BUYER.

callmeox
07-24-2008, 13:12
I read an article elsewhere about the PLCB and their current marketing strategy. They are in the process of killing off the less popular brands in order to bring in "new and exciting products". The article mentioned Old Forester being dropped and they compared the sales levels of OF to JBW to justify the move. If I remember correctly, they sold something like 225,000 handles of JBW last year versus a much smaller number of OF, so to them the OF wasn't worth keeping.

If it's all about volume in PA, I'm afraid that folks will be fighting an uphill battle.

mozilla
07-24-2008, 13:20
The guy mentioned in that article was the person I spoke with.

If the boys in Pa can come together and agree on some Bottled in Bond, non premium product....I think that they are open to listing it. They seem to understand the budgetary concerns of their patrons.

I think that if y'all send in some emails...it would at least give them some feed back. Especially if you are not a fan of Jack and Jim, which is what they think everyone likes. What they don't factor in is....that people are just going elsewhere to get these labels, now.

We'll see what happens....I sent my email to them already. Good luck, Men of Pennsylvania!

callmeox
07-24-2008, 13:23
I didn't mean to be a downer with my post as your information is encouraging for the PA bourbon drinker. I'm close enough here in NE Ohio that I can head over to Erie or the Pittsburgh area to take advantage of any new brands that they stock, so I'm all for the increased availability.

Now if they would just start stocking the western end of the state the same as the eastern end, I'll be set. :cool:

Thanks for the good news.

mozilla
09-01-2008, 10:00
Has anyone sent the gov. your prefs? I have not heard if any changes are afoot. How are things going on this concern?

AVB
09-01-2008, 11:58
Pennsylvania doesn't even want the people to know they are state controlled. No mention of State Store, PLCB, or anything to show who runs the place on the outside. Instead you get Wine & Spirits Shoppe. God I hate that word Shoppe. How stupid do they think we are.

Going back a few years it said State Store right on the front.



Has anyone sent the gov. your prefs? I have not heard if any changes are afoot. How are things going on this concern?

mozilla
09-01-2008, 12:09
I wanted to make sure I gave a good link for y'all to find the Liquor Buyer that makes alot of the deals....so here it is (http://www.lcb.state.pa.us/plcb/cwp/view.asp?a=1334&Q=546801&plcbNav=|).

Send this person your suggestions and pref's for bourbon and rye. Good luck!

mozilla
10-12-2008, 10:10
Any news on new additions to the bourbon list? Are any of the other stores carrying WT rye?

BourbonJoe
10-12-2008, 10:24
Jeff,
There are no new additions, only deletions. :hot:
Joe :usflag:

mozilla
10-12-2008, 10:38
The man incharge of the operations told me that WT rye and Old Overholt were both going to be added.

Has anyone made contact with the liquor buyer? I was told that they were interested in our opinions of what was being stocked. It doesn't make sense to get mad here....if we don't get mad and tell them how we feel. Do the Pa folks not believe that they(PALCB) are sincere in their request for info, from us? Not being from Pa...I am a little disassociated with what goes on there on a day to day basis.

If nothing else....I would guess that a class action lawsuit could topple the pyramid. Seems that they are seriously curtailing your freedom of choice in a free market system.

F399SF
10-13-2008, 00:42
Thank the lord I fell in love with bourbon AFTER I moved out of Pittsburgh. My heart goes out to you guys. I thought the Virginia ABC was bad.

Whiskey Rebellion Redux time!

fricky
10-13-2008, 03:49
Hi Jeff,
I don't get mad here about the PALCB stae stores. I accept the fact that they are a monopoly and will stock whatever they want. I do not trust them. I simply buy what I want online or when I travel to Kentucky.

After tasting Wild Turkey Rye a few years ago in Nashville, Tenn., I contacted them multiple times and asked them to stock that product. I was told that they could not. A year or 2 later, it was available. Then they no longer had it. Now, their catalog indicates that Wild Turkey Rye is available, if 6 bottles are ordered. The same is true for Russell's Reserve Rye.
The minimum is reported to be a stipulation imposed by the vendor and is required to have the product shipped to a specific state store.

The following items are available, if a minimum of 6 bottles is ordered: Baker's, Ezra Brooks, RI 1 Rye, Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit. Twelve bottles are required for the following: Elijah Craig, Evan Williams 1783, Evan Williams Single Barrel, Heaven Hill Black Label 10 yr.

There have been unsuccessful efforts to privatize this monopoly. State store employees have a very strong union and I believe that they were instrumental in preventing privatization.
Doug

mozilla
10-13-2008, 06:34
... My heart goes out to you guys...

Whiskey Rebellion Redux time!

I feel the same way, it is time to fix this issue. It makes me concerned and I'm not even in your state.

I am glad that y'all are able to order your bourbon through the mail. If that is the only recourse that your State Gov. gives you....then by all means cut out the State middle-man.

Jaysus
10-13-2008, 12:09
I am glad that y'all are able to order your bourbon through the mail. If that is the only recourse that your State Gov. gives you....then by all means cut out the State middle-man.

This is news to me, and I am not so sure that it is legal if it is happening.

mozilla
10-22-2008, 17:26
I don't think they are enforcing the law at this time. I got the info from the LCB, so, give them a shout and find out for sure. Wouldn't want anyone to get into trouble.